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| 02:33.00 | touchaddict | !timeline |
| 02:33.00 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 02:33.51 | touchaddict | !next |
| 02:33.51 | socinfo | "next" is July 6: Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations. |
| 02:34.19 | skbohra | hi touchaddict |
| 02:34.38 | skbohra | how's you doing |
| 02:35.22 | touchaddict | making hay while the sun's shining :) |
| 02:35.37 | skbohra | meanwhile would be coding :P |
| 02:35.41 | skbohra | hoping so |
| 02:36.24 | touchaddict | hehe, do midterms require us to submit specific code? |
| 02:36.47 | skbohra | I guess no, |
| 02:36.55 | touchaddict | okay :) |
| 02:37.06 | skbohra | but you are supposed to commit regularly |
| 02:37.36 | touchaddict | yea |
| 02:37.50 | skbohra | as in the end its code! |
| 02:37.53 | touchaddict | over and out skbohra |
| 02:38.00 | skbohra | umm |
| 02:38.03 | skbohra | night |
| 02:38.08 | touchaddict | night pal :) |
| 02:38.17 | touchaddict | zzzzzzzz... |
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| 02:44.51 | skbohra | how would we know that we have passed midterm or not? |
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| 02:52.49 | ojwb | ask? |
| 02:52.57 | ojwb | but if you get paid, you passed |
| 02:53.35 | skbohra | :) |
| 02:56.47 | summatusmentis | ugh, I'm not far enough for midterms :( |
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| 04:02.50 | skbohra | !stats |
| 04:02.50 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/django/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 04:02.59 | skbohra | umm |
| 04:03.23 | summatusmentis | umm? |
| 04:03.28 | skbohra | the students stats? |
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| 04:04.54 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 04:04.55 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 04:05.00 | ojwb | oh, not that either |
| 04:05.09 | ojwb | assuming you mean the breakdown by country etc |
| 04:05.51 | skbohra | yeah |
| 04:06.25 | summatusmentis | there's a excel doc in google docs about it |
| 04:07.15 | ojwb | s/excel doc/spreadsheet |
| 04:07.45 | skbohra | still to be upadted |
| 04:07.52 | skbohra | *updated |
| 04:07.52 | summatusmentis | ojwb: ok, yeah |
| 04:12.35 | skbohra | its much updated now :) |
| 04:14.50 | skbohra | 62% undergrads, 27% masters, phd 10.5% |
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| 18:55.17 | Landon | r0bby: ugh, I wish I noticed that when I rebooted a few days ago =.= |
| 18:55.25 | Landon | forogt to start up django, only had the server going :P |
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| 19:05.57 | Landon | !stats |
| 19:05.57 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/django/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:06.48 | skbohra | are you looking for students stats? |
| 19:07.42 | Landon | nah, was just seeting if my site was working again |
| 19:07.46 | Landon | socinfo: forget stats |
| 19:07.47 | socinfo | Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 19:07.52 | Landon | forget stats 2 |
| 19:08.01 | Landon | socinfo: forget stats 2 |
| 19:08.01 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:08.11 | skbohra | :) |
| 19:08.25 | Landon | socinfo: stats is also EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:08.26 | socinfo | Error: "stats" is not a valid command. |
| 19:08.37 | Landon | socinfo: learn stats as EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:08.38 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:08.42 | Landon | !stats |
| 19:08.43 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 19:08.48 | Landon | :) |
| 19:10.06 | Mkop | Landon: how does your stats thing distinuish between male and female? |
| 19:10.17 | Landon | #1 or #2? |
| 19:10.19 | Landon | well |
| 19:10.21 | Landon | #2 doesn't |
| 19:10.31 | Landon | so #1 is user provided |
| 19:10.41 | Landon | http://lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/pum.pl |
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| 19:24.51 | Landon | I wish there was a season inbetween Summer and School |
| 19:24.56 | Landon | called OpenSource or something |
| 19:25.03 | Landon | so I could work on everything I want >.> |
| 19:25.06 | summatusmentis | or you know, "break" |
| 19:25.24 | Landon | breaks are too short |
| 19:25.43 | summatusmentis | I wish school was more interesting |
| 19:26.47 | Landon | low hour semester next semester |
| 19:26.48 | Landon | so exited |
| 19:26.51 | Landon | excited |
| 19:26.52 | Mkop | Landon: opensource is the season between spring and fall |
| 19:27.07 | Landon | I hope I can bring one of my apps to full fldged featureness |
| 19:27.24 | skbohra | echoes Landon's words |
| 19:27.24 | Landon | Mkop: nah, I'm still expected to maintain a job during that season |
| 19:27.24 | Landon | :P |
| 19:27.56 | Mkop | aren't you doing GSoC? |
| 19:28.13 | Landon | yeah, but it is still work |
| 19:28.18 | summatusmentis | Landon: I'll be in spain next semester... it's a low credt load, but it's in another language :-/ |
| 19:28.36 | Mkop | yeah, but it's still opensource |
| 19:28.42 | Landon | true |
| 19:28.53 | Landon | a season named Landon then |
| 19:29.02 | Landon | I just need time to let my project ADD loose |
| 19:29.17 | Landon | so I can bounce back and forth between a dozen projects a month |
| 19:29.24 | summatusmentis | I'm with you, I want to find a way for people to pay me to work on what I want |
| 19:30.00 | Landon | I'm thinking about trying my hand at faebook apps again |
| 19:30.11 | Landon | not as a regular pay source, but maybe something to get me enough in ad revenue to keep my server up indefinitely |
| 19:31.01 | Landon | oh |
| 19:31.08 | Landon | summatusmentis: I'm thinking of making a game too |
| 19:31.20 | summatusmentis | psh, games |
| 19:31.21 | Landon | since I've been working a lot with ogre this summer |
| 19:31.33 | Landon | a nice simple one, sold for a couple bucks |
| 19:31.48 | Landon | that'd be nice to offset some expenses |
| 19:32.56 | bobbens | shame on you, you should make it open source |
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| 19:33.21 | Landon | yeah, it conflicts with my interests :) |
| 19:33.22 | Landon | but as an end product |
| 19:33.25 | Landon | I'm not too worried |
| 19:33.38 | bobbens | I'll stick to my open source game developement :P |
| 19:34.07 | Landon | games just sdont strike me as something to open source :P |
| 19:34.28 | Landon | er |
| 19:34.31 | bobbens | depends what you want to do in this life |
| 19:34.33 | Landon | (but game frameworks are ok) |
| 19:34.34 | Landon | :) |
| 19:34.37 | bobbens | I use it as a testbed for new technologies |
| 19:34.39 | bobbens | and for having fun |
| 19:35.00 | bobbens | afaik I'm the only game using the EFX extension on linux (at least open source) and first game using the SDL_haptic API in SDL 1.3 :) |
| 19:35.26 | Landon | I mean, I could open source the game but most everything would be a trivial combination of the major elements |
| 19:35.33 | Landon | renderer, gui, sound,input |
| 19:35.55 | bobbens | depends on what you're making |
| 19:35.58 | Landon | yeah |
| 19:35.59 | bobbens | if it's like a tetris, yes |
| 19:36.04 | Landon | not saying that for everyone at all |
| 19:36.04 | bobbens | if it's like mine, no way :) |
| 19:36.20 | Landon | but for what I'm thinking of |
| 19:36.21 | Landon | just something simple |
| 19:36.31 | Landon | or I could go the way of open sourcing it after a target amount of money is made :P |
| 19:36.47 | Landon | then everyone wins! |
| 19:36.48 | bobbens | you worry too much about money |
| 19:37.03 | Landon | tell my landlord that :P |
| 19:37.26 | summatusmentis | seriously, while idealism about open source is nice, if you can't pay rent/bills, who cares? |
| 19:38.02 | bobbens | well the main reason we diverge in opinions is that i'm an industrial engineer |
| 19:38.05 | bobbens | not a cs guy :) |
| 19:38.06 | Landon | not that you have to be closed source to make money, htthere are quite a few combinations that work |
| 19:38.14 | bobbens | I don't need to live off code :P |
| 19:38.27 | Landon | bobbens: I'm computer engineering :P |
| 19:38.32 | summatusmentis | Landon: true, but I totally understand the need for money |
| 19:38.38 | Landon | not espeially the most open source field either |
| 19:38.53 | summatusmentis | bobbens: cs majors don't either, despite most of us tending to |
| 19:38.58 | Landon | games as end products dont strike me as something to start out open soure though |
| 19:39.08 | bobbens | well depends on your goal |
| 19:39.09 | summatusmentis | I've been trying to figure out a way to explicitly not be a code monkey |
| 19:39.10 | Landon | thousand parsec type stuff , yes |
| 19:39.16 | bobbens | you orient things differently if you expect to make money off of it |
| 19:39.27 | bobbens | if you want to make money off game dev you'll do simple java games for cell phones most likely |
| 19:39.32 | bobbens | or other crap for iphone |
| 19:39.44 | Landon | haha, that throught has crossed my mind |
| 19:39.45 | bobbens | if you do it as open source you can be more ambitious and do more interesting approaches |
| 19:39.53 | Landon | how so? |
| 19:39.53 | Landon | if I do |
| 19:40.07 | Landon | I mean, none of my projects have other contributors |
| 19:40.13 | Landon | other than the exercise app |
| 19:40.18 | bobbens | well I've spent maybe 4 years without other contributors |
| 19:40.22 | Landon | its just the same as if they hadn't been open source at all |
| 19:40.23 | bobbens | now I have a dozen or more |
| 19:40.34 | bobbens | and there's people interested who help and such |
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| 19:40.39 | bobbens | it depends on your project |
| 19:40.41 | bobbens | and how you focus it |
| 19:41.05 | bobbens | marketing is also a big thing |
| 19:41.10 | bobbens | will have to do that soon for 0.4.0 release :) |
| 19:41.34 | bobbens | I'm happy though, with such a small userbase (maybe 400-500) I get like 10% contributors |
| 19:41.48 | Landon | what are you working on anyways? :P |
| 19:41.57 | Landon | -> food |
| 19:42.05 | bobbens | if I told you that would ruin the fun :) |
| 19:42.08 | bobbens | ruins it anyway |
| 19:42.13 | bobbens | http://code.google.com/p/naev/ |
| 19:42.18 | bobbens | anything for cheap publicity :P |
| 19:42.43 | bobbens | but yeah, I view my project as a learning and experimental platform, and so far I've learned a lot with it :) |
| 19:44.32 | Landon | soooo back to original topic :P |
| 19:44.46 | Landon | if I get some headway on these projects any time before school starts it'd be good resume fodder too >.> |
| 19:45.18 | Landon | I really suck at aiming though, in highschool I wanted to be a game dev |
| 19:45.25 | Landon | go to one of those game dev schools |
| 19:45.25 | Landon | then CS |
| 19:45.31 | Landon | then finally computer engineering |
| 19:45.47 | Landon | and here I am working on games and generally CS-ier stuff |
| 19:46.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: at least you have some sense of what you want to do with your life |
| 19:46.40 | Landon | summatusmentis: depends :P |
| 19:46.43 | Landon | who are you comparing me to |
| 19:46.48 | summatusmentis | me |
| 19:46.49 | summatusmentis | mostly |
| 19:46.52 | Landon | I want to be a hobo and work on personal projects the rest of my life |
| 19:46.54 | Landon | :P |
| 19:47.07 | summatusmentis | see, I want to get someone to pay me to do personal projects |
| 19:47.07 | Catfish_Man | Landon: hm, similar to my scheme |
| 19:47.16 | Catfish_Man | except mine is to get rich, retire, and work on personal projects ;) |
| 19:47.18 | Landon | I dont think any company could keep me happy with the way I like to bounce around |
| 19:47.29 | summatusmentis | Landon: I'm with you |
| 19:47.40 | summatusmentis | or with the times when I'm just not wanting to do anything |
| 19:47.40 | Landon | Catfish_Man: mine is a permutation of that :P |
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| 19:50.55 | Landon | or just retire young would be nice |
| 19:50.56 | Landon | ;) |
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| 19:51.45 | bobbens | well ideally you live off what you love |
| 19:51.48 | summatusmentis | I'm contemplating starting a company in a market Google wants, getting bought by Google, and just messing around the rest of the life |
| 19:51.58 | bobbens | problem with my projects is taht they require $$$ |
| 19:51.58 | Landon | summatusmentis: hahaha :D |
| 19:52.00 | summatusmentis | bobbens: my issue is I don't know what I love? |
| 19:52.00 | Landon | win |
| 19:52.02 | bobbens | and I need someone else to fund it |
| 19:52.09 | Landon | I love it all >.> |
| 19:52.11 | bobbens | summatusmentis: I can solve that for you, aerospace robotics |
| 19:52.17 | bobbens | :) |
| 19:52.25 | summatusmentis | oof, no |
| 19:52.27 | Landon | I <3 hands on stuff |
| 19:52.36 | bobbens | I'm working on my UGV atm |
| 19:52.46 | bobbens | first wheels, then legs, then UAV |
| 19:52.47 | Landon | microcontroller stuff with instant results or just playing around with ogre and seeing immediate results (yay python!) |
| 19:52.58 | Landon | uGvv? |
| 19:53.04 | bobbens | unmanned ground vehicle |
| 19:53.07 | Landon | ah neato |
| 19:53.10 | bobbens | microcontroller isn't instant results |
| 19:53.18 | Landon | well... |
| 19:53.21 | Landon | after a while it is |
| 19:53.27 | bobbens | first you design the boards, then you go make the pcb, then you solder, then you assemble, then you start to code, then you finish |
| 19:53.30 | Landon | I have a spectrum |
| 19:53.35 | bobbens | it takes me like 3 months to get the boards done |
| 19:53.36 | Landon | instant on one side and physical on the other |
| 19:53.56 | bobbens | code is like 1-2 months if there is no board that needs to be redone |
| 19:54.00 | Landon | microontrollers are one of the more instant physical things |
| 19:54.12 | bobbens | but it's not just slap a microcontroller and code |
| 19:54.19 | bobbens | there's a gigantic process before you even start to code |
| 19:54.21 | Landon | depends on the project :P |
| 19:54.26 | bobbens | the coding is the culmination |
| 19:54.34 | bobbens | you also need to do all the theory before coding |
| 19:54.45 | bobbens | which takes a while |
| 19:55.06 | Landon | yeah |
| 19:55.15 | Landon | it is kind of annoying how microcontrollers are kind of specific |
| 19:55.27 | Landon | as in, once you get something set up |
| 19:55.33 | bobbens | I spent the last ~6 months working on a dual h-bridge with velocity control loops |
| 19:55.33 | Landon | you really can't reuse it for another project |
| 19:55.40 | bobbens | the code is working now, but I have to redo the boards |
| 19:55.44 | bobbens | actually I just have to solder this week |
| 19:55.46 | bobbens | and see if it works :P |
| 19:55.55 | Landon | my only experience so far is in the labs |
| 19:56.00 | bobbens | it takes 2-6 hours to solder each board |
| 19:56.04 | bobbens | I have 5 to solder :) |
| 19:56.06 | Landon | I need to order some parts this week though |
| 19:56.10 | Landon | been meaning to do that for a while |
| 19:56.37 | Landon | also, debugging is a hoot :P |
| 19:56.44 | Landon | unless the problem is on the electrical side |
| 19:56.48 | bobbens | debugging is horrible |
| 19:57.01 | Landon | in hindsight I loved debugging |
| 19:57.12 | bobbens | you have no idea how many hours I've spent debugging the i2c protocol done my an attiny with it's horrible USI and an atmega with twi |
| 19:57.24 | Landon | much better than debugging C or perl or whatnot |
| 19:57.31 | bobbens | it works now, except for the fact the emf field created by the motors trashes it |
| 19:57.38 | bobbens | so I had to redesign the boards :) |
| 19:57.53 | bobbens | Landon: debugging C is pretyt trivial unless it's a race condition |
| 19:58.12 | bobbens | very few times you actually get complicated problems |
| 19:58.26 | bobbens | debugging microcontroller stuff is a pain, because there's always electrical problems :) |
| 19:58.30 | bobbens | and big microcontroller errata :) |
| 19:59.21 | Landon | :P |
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| 19:59.41 | Landon | yeah but debugging C for me has always come down to Yet Another Off By One Error |
| 19:59.55 | Landon | all the problems I've had with mirocontrollers were entertaining in comparison |
| 20:00.13 | bobbens | off by one errors are easy to get, one valgrind pass and voila |
| 20:00.26 | bobbens | microcontrollers get very tricky if you do something complicated |
| 20:00.55 | bobbens | once you start using 3+ timers and all the peripherals and have to start doing WCET and hard realtime numbers to see if it can hold, then it gets ugly |
| 20:01.35 | Landon | well I guess I'll have to try and keep them a hobby then :D |
| 20:01.58 | bobbens | not to mention the quantification errors |
| 20:02.00 | bobbens | those are horrible |
| 20:02.06 | bobbens | I've had to fight that soo much |
| 20:05.55 | Catfish_Man | C debugging can get absolutely dreadful |
| 20:06.06 | Catfish_Man | in particular due to the memory model |
| 20:07.05 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, I remember one exponentiation function I wrote that had a condition that caused a pointer not to be freed |
| 20:07.10 | MatthewWilkes | 2 seconds and 5 gb allocated |
| 20:08.18 | Landon | 5gb!? in my day programs didn't know any more than 2 gb existed! |
| 20:08.39 | Landon | and they had to push electrons both ways to write bits! |
| 20:08.48 | Catfish_Man | Landon: pfft. You and your silly 2:2 systems |
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| 20:09.43 | MatthewWilkes | Landon: zeroes and ones? Lucky, in my day we only had zeros |
| 20:10.19 | Landon | psh zeros, in my grandfathers day they didn't know how to loop the 1s! they just put them on their side! |
| 20:12.10 | Mkop | your momma's 0s and 1s were so fat, they could only fit 5 MB on a 5" disk! |
| 20:15.51 | desowin | I thought that was 140kb on 5'' disk ;) |
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| 20:17.01 | desowin | nah, 170 kb |
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