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| 00:20.50 | araujo | welcomes back lh |
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| 00:21.22 | lhawthorn | araujo: hey! :) |
| 00:21.34 | araujo | lhawthorn, hola amiga! |
| 00:21.34 | lhawthorn | araujo: where do you live again? |
| 00:21.41 | araujo | lhawthorn, venezuela |
| 00:21.44 | araujo | :D |
| 00:21.45 | lhawthorn | ok. |
| 00:21.50 | lhawthorn | i have invite to go to buenos aires. |
| 00:21.55 | araujo | wow! |
| 00:21.59 | lhawthorn | i need to do like a month in south america. will be fun. |
| 00:22.01 | araujo | nice, when? |
| 00:22.11 | summatusmentis | whoa, we're using our full last name now? |
| 00:22.14 | scorche|sh | sneaks into lhawthorn's luggage |
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| 00:22.41 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: i am too tired to screw with it. |
| 00:22.52 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 00:22.53 | lhawthorn | scorche|sh: you can totally come dude. |
| 00:22.56 | araujo | lhawthorn, if you happen to come around here, let me know :D |
| 00:23.08 | lhawthorn | araujo: i will. was at fisl. you should have come. awesome! |
| 00:23.40 | araujo | haha |
| 00:24.13 | summatusmentis | araujo: I considered studying abroad in venezuela |
| 00:24.14 | araujo | so out of the loop with some of these cool conferences |
| 00:24.23 | araujo | summatusmentis, welcome anytime :) |
| 00:24.23 | lhawthorn | araujo: there are too many of them. |
| 00:24.48 | araujo | lhawthorn, yeah, indeed |
| 00:24.54 | summatusmentis | araujo: when I win the lottery, or google buys my startup, or something, I'll keep that in mind |
| 00:25.05 | araujo | lhawthorn, you still don't receive an invitation for one in venezuela? :) |
| 00:25.11 | lhawthorn | we need a geek frequent flyer mile pooling tool |
| 00:25.12 | araujo | summatusmentis, hah |
| 00:25.15 | lhawthorn | araujo: no. |
| 00:25.32 | summatusmentis | lhawthorn: man, if only |
| 00:26.11 | araujo | lhawthorn, i know we have some big ones around .. though .. as I say, I am so out of the loop ... I know they have plenty in argentina and brazil ... very big ones |
| 00:26.32 | araujo | could probably go to one of those when lhawthorn is around |
| 00:26.45 | lhawthorn | araujo: ok. |
| 00:26.51 | araujo | summatusmentis, you are in usa too? |
| 00:26.59 | lhawthorn | muses on doing more in SA and free software |
| 00:27.03 | summatusmentis | araujo: yes. MN (well, ME right now) |
| 00:27.20 | araujo | lhawthorn, excelente! , tell me definitely if you come here to ve :) |
| 00:27.29 | lhawthorn | araujo: yep can do |
| 00:27.52 | WinterMute | lhawthorn, you ever do much on this side of the pond? |
| 00:27.52 | araujo | summatusmentis, you wanted to study spanish here? |
| 00:28.10 | summatusmentis | araujo: yes, I ended up picking Spain, I'm not really sure why |
| 00:28.23 | summatusmentis | I think it was because of penyaskito |
| 00:28.56 | araujo | hah |
| 00:29.19 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 00:29.55 | araujo | also depends the dialect ... though spanish is a single language, it has different dialects, SA is kind of different from the one in Spain |
| 00:30.37 | summatusmentis | SA? |
| 00:30.45 | summatusmentis | but yes, there are clearly different dialects |
| 00:31.31 | araujo | south america dialect |
| 00:31.40 | summatusmentis | oh, duh, ok :) |
| 00:31.42 | araujo | dialtecs* |
| 00:31.45 | araujo | ergdfdgdfg |
| 00:31.48 | araujo | dialects |
| 00:31.49 | araujo | hah |
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| 00:31.53 | summatusmentis | I got you :) |
| 00:32.04 | summatusmentis | goes to do sparklers w/ siblings |
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| 00:32.59 | araujo | needs to practice more his English too , mainly pronunciation |
| 00:33.36 | lhawthorn | summatusmentis: have fun |
| 00:33.42 | lhawthorn | araujo: lots of people say that. |
| 00:34.05 | araujo | I guess I just write and read more english than what I actually talk :( |
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| 00:37.54 | lhawthorn | araujo: writing is, imho, more important |
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| 00:41.26 | araujo | writing/reading does help a lot most of the times yeah :D |
| 00:45.05 | z4chh | howdy! :D |
| 00:45.59 | z4chh | <--- english lessons here ($50/hr) :p |
| 00:47.21 | z4chh | actually $64/hr |
| 00:47.25 | z4chh | likes powers of 2 |
| 00:48.54 | araujo | haha |
| 00:50.22 | z4chh | :D |
| 00:51.45 | z4chh | nah im amazed how many people know english online |
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| 00:55.45 | Mkop | z4chh's english teacher actually only charges $50, but he rounds up to the nearest 64, like hard drives |
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| 00:57.29 | z4chh | ;p |
| 00:57.34 | z4chh | indeed |
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| 01:02.23 | Mkop | is going hunting |
| 01:02.30 | Mkop | for a mouse |
| 01:03.03 | Mkop | found nibble marks in his cheese that he left on the countertop |
| 01:03.44 | WinterMute | buy a cat |
| 01:03.56 | WinterMute | mice are tricky little buggers |
| 01:04.07 | Mkop | I'm estimating that I'll get him within an hour |
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| 01:21.47 | z4chh | Mkop, don't kill it :( |
| 01:21.56 | Mkop | z4chh: why not? |
| 01:22.03 | Mkop | it ate my cheese, it deserves to die |
| 01:22.15 | summatusmentis | harsh |
| 01:22.25 | summatusmentis | it could like, deserve to go outside |
| 01:22.37 | z4chh | Mkop, trap it in a little cage outside so something can eat it :) |
| 01:22.58 | Mkop | if it goes outside, then it will come back in |
| 01:23.07 | summatusmentis | z4chh: how's lcuk treating you? :-P |
| 01:24.02 | z4chh | im being treated very well! *winks his (black) left eye* |
| 01:24.03 | z4chh | xD |
| 01:24.17 | summatusmentis | hah |
| 01:24.41 | z4chh | how are you mate? |
| 01:25.07 | summatusmentis | tired, and a bit behind |
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| 02:00.47 | ravenlock | what was the verdict on "can admins see the status of the surveys via the online app"? |
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| 02:00.55 | ravenlock | I can't seem to pick it out of the thread. |
| 02:01.21 | ravenlock | would be nice to be able to determine who had not finished and submitted a survey so we know who to lean on. |
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| 02:17.48 | ravenlock | lh ? |
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| 02:22.07 | summatusmentis | she's been quiet for a while, but may be around |
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| 02:24.11 | ravenlock | k. thanks. |
| 02:24.22 | ravenlock | wonders if anyone else might have a thought on it? |
| 02:26.46 | Mkop | well, it's been more than an hour and the mouse is still at large |
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| 06:11.41 | skbohra | yay! submitted the survey form :) |
| 06:19.57 | skbohra | citi card service sucks :-/ |
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| 06:21.00 | skbohra | it asks me a security question "NULL" I don't know what would be answer to NULL |
| 06:21.01 | skbohra | :) |
| 06:21.33 | ojwb | SEGV? |
| 06:22.08 | skbohra | what's that? |
| 06:23.55 | skbohra | I lost my password |
| 06:24.22 | skbohra | and they are asking this silly question to get back the password |
| 06:26.35 | Mkop | that's funny |
| 06:26.45 | Mkop | post that to tdwtf.com |
| 06:27.14 | Mkop | thedailywtf* |
| 06:28.11 | skbohra | :) |
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| 06:28.31 | aghisla | lol |
| 06:28.54 | lifeeth | skbohra, How about just hitting the submit :D |
| 06:29.32 | skbohra | that too doesn't work, but they don't even have captcha, I can try for ever |
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| 06:31.13 | skbohra | why don't they just ask me my email and send the password to it :-/ |
| 06:31.37 | lifeeth | skbohra, ahem ;) |
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| 06:36.29 | ojwb | skbohra: a "joke" - SEGV is what tends to result from dereferencing NULL in C |
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| 06:38.10 | skbohra | ojwb: citi Prepaid site says: The Smartest way to get paid :D |
| 06:38.10 | aghisla | skbohra: maybe the answer is 42 |
| 06:39.43 | skbohra | https://www.myecount.com/forgotpassword.asp put anything as username |
| 06:40.01 | skbohra | it would ask your city of birth and null |
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| 06:50.37 | lut4rp | I don't think this should be discussed here? |
| 06:50.52 | lut4rp | Isn't it private gsoc student info? |
| 06:51.12 | skbohra | oh |
| 06:51.26 | skbohra | is it ? |
| 06:53.11 | Mkop | hehe https://www.myecount.com/forgotpassword2process.asp |
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| 06:53.18 | Mkop | both fields show up blank for me |
| 06:53.58 | skbohra | I think those pages are no where connected to db |
| 06:54.01 | skbohra | :D |
| 06:54.08 | skbohra | just fooling around |
| 06:55.16 | lifeeth | aghisla, lol@ 42 |
| 06:55.20 | lifeeth | I know a guy who wrote that as an answer in a test :) |
| 06:55.42 | aghisla | HAHA |
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| 07:00.55 | skbohra | :( |
| 07:01.32 | skbohra | prepaid.citi.com send worked |
| 07:01.40 | skbohra | *worked |
| 07:02.02 | skbohra | but now they say I have exceeded number of login attempts |
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| 07:10.36 | lifeeth | skbohra, clear the cookies :D |
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| 07:18.27 | Lennie | good morning |
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| 07:25.45 | skbohra | :) success!! |
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| 07:27.33 | skbohra | moral of the story: create your account at myecount.com and access it through prepaid.citi.com :) |
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| 08:50.02 | tansell | so-- anyone know what "How many *months* have you contributed to any free/open source project?" mean? |
| 08:50.13 | tansell | man months? real months? something else? |
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| 08:53.31 | ojwb | i'd guess real months |
| 08:53.46 | ojwb | but in general, pick the best answer you can and clarify in comments |
| 08:54.08 | ojwb | certainly I've little idea about man months, but a pretty good idea of when I first contributed |
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| 09:11.27 | kblin | ojwb: just check oloh for an estimate of man months ;) |
| 09:12.16 | ojwb | ohloh used to think I was one of the world's top smalltalk programmers |
| 09:12.27 | Ryan52 | ojwb: why? |
| 09:12.30 | ojwb | given I've never written a line of smalltalk code, I don't trust it much |
| 09:12.49 | Ryan52 | hm.. |
| 09:12.57 | ojwb | used to assume .st files were smalltalk, regardless of content, and a project I work on had a lot of large ,st data files... |
| 09:12.59 | kblin | hehe |
| 09:13.21 | ojwb | i sent them a patch, so that's fixed at least |
| 09:20.29 | kblin | heads I fill out the mentor survey, tails I go back to prepare for my examn |
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| 09:24.18 | MaNI | and if it lands on the side you do both? |
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| 09:25.56 | kblin | I'll retoss |
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| 09:27.34 | kblin | damn, I'm old :) |
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| 09:31.49 | kblin | yay, copy&paste survey answers |
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| 09:33.32 | bobbens | how many months thingy? I didn't see that |
| 09:33.35 | bobbens | mentor-only? |
| 09:34.27 | kblin | bobbens: it's the mentor survey |
| 09:34.51 | ojwb | i'd guess the ospo people are interested in how much experience mentors have |
| 09:35.30 | bobbens | mmmm |
| 09:36.59 | ojwb | mmmm? |
| 09:37.00 | kblin | meh |
| 09:37.22 | kblin | I admin three projects, how am I supposed to answer question 16? |
| 09:40.51 | dzhus | hmmmm looks like question 16 is tricky both for students and mentors :) |
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| 09:45.07 | kblin | question 21 is a tough one as well, especially for projects that have been doing this for 5 years now |
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| 10:45.25 | jmho | hi, I'm a mentor with one student, do I have to fill out the "Program Midterm Evaluation Form"? |
| 10:45.54 | jmho | lh: ^ |
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| 10:47.10 | bobbens | jmho: I believe all mentors and students must fill out the form |
| 10:48.04 | jmho | bobbens: I think it is kind of unfair to first accept people and later ask them pretty personal questionas |
| 10:48.18 | jmho | and require answers to that questions |
| 10:48.58 | bobbens | I found none of the student questions to ask anything that seems innapropriate |
| 10:49.00 | bobbens | but I'm not a mentor |
| 10:49.25 | jmho | I don't mean the "mentor evaluation" but the "program evaluation" |
| 10:49.35 | jmho | the questions are: |
| 10:50.37 | jmho | 1: How old were you when you started using a computer? |
| 10:51.15 | WinterMute | don't really see why you'd think that was personal |
| 10:52.09 | jmho | if it is not personal what is it then? |
| 10:52.58 | WinterMute | simple demographics question |
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| 10:54.19 | jmho | no, it is an question about me |
| 10:54.20 | WinterMute | I'd consider questions about sexual preference to be personal |
| 10:55.07 | WinterMute | well I dunno, it's not a question that would bother me at all to answer |
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| 10:55.42 | jmho | it's the fact they they first accepted me as mentor and now I have to answer questions about me |
| 10:55.48 | jmho | what bothers me |
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| 10:56.26 | Ivanovic | hmm, is there no midterm eval link for admins? |
| 10:56.35 | Chainsaw | Ivanovic: It's implied that they're mentors too. |
| 10:56.36 | Ivanovic | that is: i am only admin, not mentor |
| 10:56.50 | Ivanovic | and there is no survey link in my profile... |
| 10:56.50 | Chainsaw | Ivanovic: This came up on the mailing list, let me look. |
| 10:57.21 | Chainsaw | Ivanovic: Last word from Pavel (Melange team): "We are working on that functionality, right now it's only mentors." |
| 10:57.28 | Ivanovic | ah, okay |
| 10:57.39 | Ivanovic | so right now i got nothing to fill out |
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| 10:57.40 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 10:58.02 | Chainsaw | Ivanovic: Or you could ask the Melange guys, perhaps they can reach in and twiddle some hidden buttons? |
| 10:59.02 | Ivanovic | Chainsaw: okay, regaring the ml this is really not possible so far |
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| 11:27.11 | ojwb | jmho: If you feel strongly you don't want to answer a question, pick a random answer and make a note in the text field that you'd prefer not to say |
| 11:29.09 | ojwb | I think the program one was optional, but I can't easily check as I don't seem to be able to resolve mail.google.com currently! |
| 11:30.43 | jmho | ojwb: ok, thx |
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| 11:35.34 | ojwb | hmm, or to resolve anything |
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| 13:12.58 | rszulgo | hey |
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| 13:13.21 | rszulgo | I have an issue regarding midterm form |
| 13:13.41 | rszulgo | 16. What are your plans for making sure your code is integrated into your project's code base? |
| 13:15.11 | rszulgo | what do I supposed to chose if I work on HEAD branch in project's repository ? |
| 13:16.05 | ojwb | with *any* question where no answer really fits, pick the best and explain in the free text box |
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| 13:19.55 | rszulgo | OK, thx |
| 13:20.19 | rszulgo | however there should be an answer: 'other' |
| 13:20.21 | rszulgo | ;) |
| 13:20.24 | rszulgo | bye |
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| 13:21.52 | ojwb | didn't say there shouldn't |
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| 14:24.56 | r0bby | thssurvey radio buttons aren't lined up right... |
| 14:25.39 | summatusmentis | bug report |
| 14:25.45 | summatusmentis | oh, speaking of |
| 14:25.53 | summatusmentis | goes to add information to his bug |
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| 14:28.18 | r0bby | this is quite annoying |
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| 14:32.35 | Lennie | summatusmentis: thanks for the additional info :) |
| 14:33.13 | r0bby | Lennie: ... why are the radio buttons not on the left... |
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| 14:34.26 | Lennie | probably because the CSS tells them not to? Not sure :D |
| 14:34.31 | mango__ | hi guys, is there a way to send encrypted data in an XML file? |
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| 14:34.39 | Lennie | I worked on the backend ^_^ |
| 14:35.05 | Lennie | r0bby: feel free to leave an issue so we can track your feedback |
| 14:35.21 | eliel_ | mango__: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlenc-core/ |
| 14:35.35 | r0bby | sighs |
| 14:35.41 | r0bby | I have a dog i have to give up |
| 14:35.43 | summatusmentis | Lennie: of course. Is there a way to provide additional info via email, instead of needing to submit via the web interface? |
| 14:35.45 | r0bby | but i have to work :( |
| 14:36.14 | Lennie | summatusmentis: you could mail the list but the problem is that it might get lost in time :( |
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| 14:36.48 | summatusmentis | oh, I tried replying, but it didn't like that |
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| 14:37.13 | summatusmentis | I can go into the web interface, it's not a big deal, but I figured if it's easier to reply via email, why not? |
| 14:37.56 | mango__ | eliel_: thanks. so i guess this would be valid to use through libxml2. there is no need to have special APIs? |
| 14:38.36 | eliel_ | mango__: I don't know if libxml2 supports encryption... i have never used encryption inside xml |
| 14:38.40 | Lennie | summatusmentis: You can post stuff in the mailing list, we might eventually ask you to put it in the issue tracker. Depends on what it is |
| 14:39.20 | mango__ | eliel_; ohk. i'll see if it helps. thanks. :) |
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| 14:39.51 | summatusmentis | Lennie: meh, not a big deal |
| 14:40.16 | Lennie | ok :) |
| 14:40.45 | summatusmentis | I assume my bug is a "feature" and intended to make sure students don't actually give feedback :-P |
| 14:41.37 | Lennie | ok, you made me curious :P |
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| 14:42.02 | Lennie | how did you know about our plans ^_^ |
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| 14:42.36 | summatusmentis | Lennie: ah hah! |
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| 14:44.19 | summatusmentis | Lennie: \o/ go fix my bugs, minion! |
| 14:44.32 | Lennie | summatusmentis: bad luck, I don't do JS :P |
| 14:45.06 | Lennie | however I've assigned it to two people who could fix it :) |
| 14:45.30 | summatusmentis | Lennie: :-P I'm not that worried about it, I worked around the bug for my survey, so whatever :) |
| 14:45.42 | Lennie | :) |
| 14:45.45 | summatusmentis | but if I still see this behavior for final surveys... |
| 14:45.48 | Lennie | your report is appreciated though |
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| 14:45.59 | Lennie | summatusmentis: yes they can throw a bucket of ice water over me at the mentor summit |
| 14:46.03 | Lennie | :) |
| 14:46.17 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 14:46.40 | summatusmentis | well, the report didn't take that long to fill out, and I'll do what I can do help out. |
| 14:46.48 | summatusmentis | good to see responsiveness too |
| 14:47.08 | Lennie | ah weel |
| 14:47.09 | Lennie | well |
| 14:47.10 | Lennie | we can respond |
| 14:47.15 | Lennie | but fixing it might take a bit of time :) |
| 14:47.24 | Lennie | there is a lot of feedback and melange is still very very new |
| 14:47.35 | Lennie | heck Surveys has only been finished for a few days :P |
| 14:47.52 | summatusmentis | of course. But it's being used, and working pretty well for being this new |
| 14:47.54 | Lennie | but afaik the GOSPO team is happy with how the backend works |
| 14:48.24 | Lennie | I'm hoping we can do some usability improvements before next year |
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| 14:54.12 | Lennie | anyhow, long road lots of code |
| 14:54.16 | Lennie | and GHOP if things go well :) |
| 14:54.37 | summatusmentis | good luck! |
| 14:55.00 | Lennie | yes you too |
| 14:55.22 | ajuonline | throws a bucket of water on Lennie |
| 14:55.24 | ajuonline | there there. |
| 14:55.31 | Lennie | refreshing :) |
| 14:55.36 | ajuonline | :) |
| 14:59.47 | ojwb | doesn't assigning it to two people make it less likely to get fixed? |
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| 15:01.25 | Lennie | ojwb: not in this case, one of them will respond and take it as his own responsibility |
| 15:02.15 | Lennie | and if not I've made a judgement error and I'll have to find a fix myself before I get icewater over me :P |
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| 15:03.29 | Lennie | (note that this is my 7th day as project lead so mistakes will happen ^_^ ) |
| 15:03.53 | Lennie | if not then murphy's law will |
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| 16:44.54 | monsieurp | !next |
| 16:44.54 | socinfo | "next" is July 6: Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations. |
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| 17:02.01 | Upthorn | forget next |
| 17:02.10 | Upthorn | learn next as July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
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| 17:02.52 | Upthorn | I guess the bot requires special access to maintain. |
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| 17:03.42 | Lennie | learn next as July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
| 17:03.48 | Lennie | !learn next as July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
| 17:03.48 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:03.51 | Lennie | !next |
| 17:03.51 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) July 6: Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations., or (#2) July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
| 17:03.57 | Lennie | hmm :) |
| 17:03.58 | Upthorn | oh |
| 17:04.04 | Lennie | you try it Upthorn :) |
| 17:04.05 | Upthorn | !forget next 1 |
| 17:04.06 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:04.14 | Lennie | !next |
| 17:04.14 | socinfo | "next" is July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
| 17:04.16 | Lennie | :D |
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| 17:04.44 | Upthorn | the bot just didn't know I was talking to it |
| 17:04.56 | Lennie | if only it could understand! |
| 17:05.24 | Lennie | mumbles something about skynet |
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| 17:10.52 | lh | Zlender|mtg: ping |
| 17:11.02 | Ivanovic | hi lh |
| 17:11.07 | lh | Ivanovic: hello |
| 17:11.13 | lh | #wesnoth-mentor right? |
| 17:11.25 | lh | hrm. |
| 17:11.38 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 17:11.45 | lh | arrived |
| 17:13.42 | Ivanovic | lh: last year there was some eval i could fill as admin (not being mentor), too |
| 17:13.48 | Ivanovic | will this arrive later on, too? |
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| 17:14.18 | lh | Ivanovic: that's the hope. if not you can just give yourself mentor level access, can find you directions if you need them |
| 17:14.50 | Ivanovic | lh: will wait some days and then recheck |
| 17:15.02 | Ivanovic | if nothing is available till saturday i will get me mentor access till then |
| 17:15.17 | lh | Ivanovic: sounds good |
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| 17:45.43 | seven | hey everybody |
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| 17:47.04 | seven | What exactly happens if my mentoring organization does not fill out the midterm by the deadline? |
| 17:47.30 | Ivanovic | heaven falls down on earth |
| 17:47.32 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:47.39 | seven | well that would be sad... |
| 17:47.49 | Ivanovic | it is unlikely that this happens |
| 17:47.53 | Ivanovic | really unlikely |
| 17:48.04 | dzhus | seven: contact your org admin if you have such suspicion. |
| 17:48.26 | seven | ok Thank you |
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| 17:51.22 | ojwb | google will be unhappy about it |
| 17:51.57 | ojwb | which may affect you being invited to the mentor summit or being accepted in future years (if gsoc happens) AIUI |
| 17:52.43 | ojwb | s/you/your org |
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| 17:53.01 | dzhus | awww mentor summit free food woot |
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| 17:57.40 | kblin | it'll also make lh angry, and no-one really wants to do that |
| 17:59.07 | Ivanovic | too late for answer directly for seven anyway, this user is gone already... |
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| 18:00.42 | anothy_x | a perhaps-related question: we have a student who more or less dropped out about a week and a half ago. we already know we'll be failing him, but should we try to get him to complete his survey anyway? |
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| 18:01.22 | Zlender|mtg | lh: hey |
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| 18:23.08 | r0bby | slaps Lennie with a fish |
| 18:23.25 | r0bby | whines until he gets what he wants :) |
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| 18:28.04 | z4chh | this is a good gsoc midterm song -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUSDS9pkA2Y |
| 18:28.27 | z4chh | ohhhhh we're halfway therrrre! |
| 18:28.31 | z4chh | sings |
| 18:28.32 | desowin | This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 18:28.41 | z4chh | darn it |
| 18:28.49 | z4chh | what's up with that hah? |
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| 18:29.18 | lifeeth | Seems like gmail is out of beta |
| 18:29.37 | desowin | z4chh: heck if I knew, but I dislike such things |
| 18:29.52 | summatusmentis | z4chh: I don't think that's a good song, ever :) |
| 18:30.28 | z4chh | summatusmentis, i just like the "whoahh we're halfway there" chorus >.< |
| 18:30.49 | z4chh | this song came on internet radio i was listening to..while im doing midterm |
| 18:30.58 | summatusmentis | heh, that's reasonable |
| 18:30.59 | z4chh | and i was like.....hah fitting |
| 18:31.08 | summatusmentis | I like it when that happens |
| 18:31.11 | summatusmentis | even if it's crappy music |
| 18:32.04 | z4chh | what makes you not like it so much? |
| 18:32.43 | Mkop | hmm, code or nap? |
| 18:32.50 | t0ms | code |
| 18:32.53 | t0ms | ;) |
| 18:32.57 | makmanalp | !next |
| 18:32.57 | socinfo | "next" is July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
| 18:33.08 | z4chh | naps are for babies!!!!!! |
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| 18:33.33 | D3f0 | is away: Ausente por ahora |
| 18:33.33 | summatusmentis | z4chh: I'm not a fan of "classic rock" |
| 18:33.34 | Mkop | and for people that didn't sleep last night |
| 18:33.48 | Mkop | D3f0: please get rid of that away message, it's annoying... |
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| 18:34.23 | Landon | Mkop: it's amazing how people keep away messages in the lower channels |
| 18:34.28 | z4chh | summatusmentis, that would explain it |
| 18:34.30 | Landon | and try to justify it as being useful |
| 18:34.41 | Mkop | "lower channels"? |
| 18:34.42 | Landon | and then you have channels that are 50% away messages and 50% back maessages |
| 18:34.49 | Landon | lower on the IRC food chain |
| 18:34.51 | Landon | :) |
| 18:35.01 | z4chh | peasant channels! |
| 18:35.11 | Landon | channels for proprietary works and mirc scripting! |
| 18:35.12 | Landon | :P |
| 18:35.20 | Mkop | goes for a walk with the laptop to find a better place to work |
| 18:35.25 | z4chh | id define that as lower ^^ |
| 18:35.26 | z4chh | hahahaha |
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| 18:35.53 | summatusmentis | z4chh: yeah, it would :) |
| 18:35.54 | Landon | or the people that try to make a serious irc bot system with mircscript :P |
| 18:36.11 | summatusmentis | Landon: you're such an elitist |
| 18:36.22 | z4chh | i started coding in mirc scripting at age 12 :P |
| 18:36.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: totally |
| 18:36.31 | Landon | and it pays off |
| 18:37.05 | z4chh | i thought i was tight shit with my mirc bot :) |
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| 18:37.31 | Landon | hehe me too |
| 18:37.33 | Landon | well |
| 18:37.37 | Landon | I was doing perl, not mirc |
| 18:37.54 | Landon | but, other people have done it, and done it better |
| 18:37.55 | Landon | so I moved on |
| 18:37.55 | Landon | :P |
| 18:38.16 | z4chh | i did a perl bot also |
| 18:38.22 | desowin | Landon: heh, I quite like the atmosphere that's in #gdigi ;) just the Day changed messages, lol |
| 18:38.23 | z4chh | later on |
| 18:38.28 | z4chh | thought i was even tighter shit |
| 18:38.30 | z4chh | ;p |
| 18:38.36 | Landon | I wish I could set up a feedback loop |
| 18:38.40 | Landon | with my programming abilities |
| 18:38.46 | Landon | or at least tell myself to start off with python |
| 18:38.46 | Landon | :P |
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| 18:43.27 | Lennie | r0bby: :) |
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| 19:11.15 | Lennie | ojwb: one of the two assigned the issue to himself :) |
| 19:11.23 | Lennie | ojwb: So it seems to work out :P |
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| 19:57.37 | lh | schultmc: ping |
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| 20:01.52 | schultmc | lh: pong |
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| 20:06.08 | lh | schultmc: do you still work on any spi stuff? |
| 20:06.16 | schultmc | lh: yes |
| 20:06.32 | schultmc | is the current SPI treasurer and re-running for his board seat |
| 20:06.41 | lh | awesone, are you available for brief consulting services? |
| 20:07.03 | schultmc | lh: probably |
| 20:07.24 | lh | awesome, please join #wesnoth-mentor |
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| 20:45.15 | nloko | lh: pinging! |
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| 20:46.55 | lh | nloko: pong. |
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| 20:48.18 | nloko | lh: hey, like I was saying, just looking for advice as described in my e-mail, as I have no idea about these things. |
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| 20:59.15 | lh | nloko: ah hi neil |
| 20:59.17 | lh | pm please |
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| 21:02.31 | r0bby | lh: hai :) |
| 21:02.41 | r0bby | (just saying hello) |
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| 21:04.47 | lh | r0bby: hello. :) |
| 21:05.58 | kblin | !timeline |
| 21:05.58 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 21:06.06 | summatusmentis | it's an lh! |
| 21:06.17 | lh | summatusmentis: indeed. i exist. :) |
| 21:06.25 | kblin | yay |
| 21:06.30 | summatusmentis | wouldn't know it from your internet presence >_> |
| 21:06.37 | kblin | lh: one minor nit about the survey questions.. |
| 21:06.41 | kblin | lh: hail, btw :) |
| 21:06.47 | lh | kblin: hail unto thee. nit away my friend. |
| 21:07.15 | kblin | lh: it's impossible to answer some of these questions if you mentor/admin multiple orgs at the same time |
| 21:09.36 | lh | kblin: yeah i know. |
| 21:09.47 | lh | kblin: comments? :) |
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| 21:10.45 | YogiHH | Anyone: Uh, what's "overall evaluation of midterm progress" for the midterm survey supposed to be? A summary? |
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| 21:13.00 | YogiHH | lh: ^ |
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| 21:19.48 | kblin | lh: hm, good question.. I don't think I'd like to fill out one survey each either :) |
| 21:20.38 | Lennie | YogiHH: Reason for choosing fail or pass on the next questoin |
| 21:20.40 | lh | YogiHH: did the tool tip not populate |
| 21:20.46 | lh | kblin: exactly |
| 21:20.51 | Lennie | the tooltip might dissapear too quickly in this case |
| 21:20.58 | lh | Lennie: ah. |
| 21:21.15 | lh | YogiHH: tell us why you want your student to pass or fail. like two sentences. if you want to write more please write more. |
| 21:21.54 | summatusmentis | except be aware that on some browsers, if you write past the length of the box, your text scrolls outside of the visible box |
| 21:21.59 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 21:22.08 | Lennie | summatusmentis: Issue has been properly assigned :P |
| 21:22.20 | summatusmentis | Lennie: I noticed, now I'm just being goofy :) |
| 21:22.23 | Lennie | :D |
| 21:22.28 | kblin | and that's why web development sucks |
| 21:22.37 | summatusmentis | srsly |
| 21:22.48 | YogiHH | lh, Lennie: ah, tooltip :-) Yep, as we say "those who can read have a clear advantage". Indeed, it vanishes quite quickly. |
| 21:22.51 | Lennie | so many browsers, kblin ? |
| 21:23.02 | Lennie | YogiHH: I've just pinged someone about it |
| 21:23.07 | Lennie | we'll see about fixing it :) |
| 21:23.08 | lh | YogiHH: well mrph. sorry. :) |
| 21:23.17 | YogiHH | nm |
| 21:23.27 | kblin | lh: mayby a dynamic form that asks how many projects people mentor for and that populates the "per project" questions with an appropriate number of fields |
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| 21:23.36 | lh | kblin: this is a good idea. |
| 21:23.44 | kblin | lh: because the other fields are unlikely to be different anyway |
| 21:24.19 | Lennie | kblin: Feels kinda hard within a Bigtable structure |
| 21:24.24 | Lennie | MySQL would made it easier :P |
| 21:24.36 | ArthurLiu | Ahoy! |
| 21:24.38 | Lennie | kblin: However is a good issue to raise on the tracker for discussion |
| 21:25.16 | lh | kblin: fair. |
| 21:25.34 | kblin | Lennie: ok. opening a bug |
| 21:25.41 | Lennie | awesome :D |
| 21:27.00 | Lennie | some trust issue with that as well |
| 21:27.05 | Lennie | rogue mentor filling in 999 :P |
| 21:27.17 | Lennie | might be best to count it ourselves :D |
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| 21:30.03 | kblin | whatever |
| 21:30.19 | kblin | I'm happy as long as I don't need to fill out three surveys |
| 21:30.32 | kblin | having to fill in my personal details six times was bad enough |
| 21:30.34 | j03 | Hey there - How good at programming do we need to be to participate? |
| 21:30.47 | Lennie | we're talking about the midterm reviews then kblin ? |
| 21:30.55 | t0ms | j03: so you can work on your project :) |
| 21:31.22 | kblin | Lennie: the personal details part was during sign-up |
| 21:31.24 | j03 | OK. I'm totally new to this. Do we choose projects or what? |
| 21:31.44 | kblin | Lennie: I admin three projects -> three personal details forms |
| 21:31.58 | kblin | I am registered as a mentor on all of them -> three more forms |
| 21:32.06 | Lennie | three orgs :) |
| 21:32.13 | Lennie | that explains somethign |
| 21:32.15 | Lennie | yes |
| 21:32.17 | Lennie | however |
| 21:32.22 | t0ms | j03: you better read http://code.google.com/soc/ |
| 21:32.25 | Lennie | other users want three different details :S |
| 21:32.42 | kblin | pre-fill with the data already on file then |
| 21:32.49 | Lennie | is an already existing issue :D |
| 21:32.57 | kblin | I know. I think I filed it |
| 21:33.03 | Lennie | yes |
| 21:33.06 | Lennie | is a long standing one |
| 21:33.12 | Lennie | busy busy :S |
| 21:33.55 | kblin | well, in any case, I'd hate having to fill in the first 15 questions 3 times for the program surveys |
| 21:34.10 | j03 | t0ms, OK, Cool. How old is a "student"? |
| 21:34.27 | ArthurLiu | btw, the admin (=unassigned mentor?) provides no way to indicate that you're a former student |
| 21:34.35 | ArthurLiu | it would be cool to have that kind of info |
| 21:34.45 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I added that to the comments |
| 21:34.54 | j03 | Oh wait... Student applications ended on the 3rd of april. |
| 21:35.00 | j03 | I'm just a bit late, arnt I :P |
| 21:35.13 | kblin | ArthurLiu: on the "indicate on which years you were a mentor" question |
| 21:35.18 | kblin | j03: kind of |
| 21:35.25 | Landon | j03: or early! |
| 21:35.26 | ArthurLiu | yeah, that's what I did too |
| 21:35.26 | Landon | >.> |
| 21:35.58 | j03 | Landon, haha, that's the right way of thinking of it (Y) |
| 21:36.09 | t0ms | j03: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#age_limits |
| 21:36.17 | t0ms | for this year |
| 21:36.34 | j03 | t0ms, OK. I've got another two years to wait. *sigh* |
| 21:37.04 | t0ms | j03: you can still work on any project, you do not have to wait for GSoC! |
| 21:37.04 | dzhus[afk] | j03: google has some other program for younger hackers :) |
| 21:37.14 | t0ms | any other projects* |
| 21:37.29 | j03 | dzhuz: Really? Awesome. |
| 21:37.38 | smtms | j03, getting into something you consider fun is rewarding by itself |
| 21:37.54 | j03 | smtms, yeah, I agree. But how do you get into it ;) |
| 21:38.26 | smtms | j03, choose an open-source project you like and make the steps necessary to improve it |
| 21:38.46 | t0ms | j03: find something to improve, write patch, submit the patch :) |
| 21:39.04 | dzhus | j03: see Google Highly Open Participation Contest |
| 21:39.08 | Lennie | j03 http://code.google.com/ghop |
| 21:39.10 | Lennie | ^_^ |
| 21:39.21 | dzhus | hivemind! |
| 21:39.21 | Lennie | that's something that might run again later :) |
| 21:39.38 | j03 | OK, Cool! |
| 21:39.39 | j03 | Thanks :). |
| 21:40.16 | kblin | Lennie: say, is question 13 missing on purpose? |
| 21:40.35 | Lennie | hmm yes :) |
| 21:40.42 | j03 | @stms & t0ms: I will do! All I need to do is find some smaller projects which dont have the amazing coders that projects such as drupal, mediawiki and wordpress have got... |
| 21:40.48 | Lennie | they are not numbered by the app :P |
| 21:40.59 | t0ms | j03: drupal is a huuuuuuge project |
| 21:41.12 | Landon | lots of nooks and crannies to fill |
| 21:41.43 | j03 | t0ms, exactly! there are coders out there that are much better than me, who can find and fix bugs etc faster than me |
| 21:41.44 | caden | hey Landon |
| 21:41.55 | Landon | uhoh |
| 21:41.57 | Landon | hi caden |
| 21:42.02 | caden | what do you mean uhoh? |
| 21:42.03 | caden | heh heh |
| 21:42.03 | j03 | t0ms, I know it's not a good way at looking at it... but IMO it's true. |
| 21:42.09 | Landon | ... nothing |
| 21:42.35 | dzhus | j03: big project means your project will get more publicity and feedback. that's good. |
| 21:42.37 | Landon | hows going? |
| 21:42.54 | caden | pretty good |
| 21:42.55 | Landon | I don't believe you've darkened the door of that other gsoc channel for quite some while |
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| 21:43.07 | caden | no i have come in here a few times but it is usually empty |
| 21:43.16 | caden | so i stare at the wall ab it |
| 21:43.19 | j03 | dzhus, true. |
| 21:43.20 | caden | and leave |
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| 21:43.33 | Landon | not in my scrollback, so it must not count |
| 21:43.34 | Landon | :D |
| 21:43.53 | caden | is there a way to see an all html-view of your filled out survey so you can email it to yourself |
| 21:43.53 | caden | or something |
| 21:44.30 | t0ms | gn |
| 21:45.18 | caden | fires up links |
| 21:46.18 | lh | it's code.google.com/opensource/ghop/ |
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| 21:48.46 | caden | hmmm lynx does not like it |
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| 21:49.19 | Lennie | sorry caden no :( |
| 21:49.37 | Lennie | one more item to probably add to the todo list ;) |
| 21:49.49 | Lennie | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues feel free to add it |
| 21:50.13 | caden | let me d/l links and try that first i think it's newer |
| 21:50.31 | Lennie | lh: code.google.com/ghop also works :D |
| 21:50.33 | Lennie | even shorter :) |
| 21:52.30 | caden | what a good idea to get young people writing doc/training for open source |
| 21:52.57 | Lennie | anything to get them involved I guess |
| 21:53.02 | Lennie | they can even make flyers :D |
| 21:53.19 | dzhus | and stickers!!!! |
| 21:53.34 | dzhus | in fact loves GSoC for stickers. |
| 21:53.58 | Lennie | lol ^_^ |
| 21:54.20 | caden | oooh stickers |
| 21:54.24 | caden | i do like me some stickers |
| 21:54.34 | Lennie | ooh goodies in genreral :D |
| 21:54.59 | ArthurLiu | Google notebooks that are so precious you don't dare write in them ? :) |
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| 21:55.26 | Lennie | ArthurLiu: want! :P |
| 21:55.28 | dzhus | i haven't written anything in mine yet :) i've got a real moleskine :) |
| 21:56.24 | dzhus | wonders if mentors recieve the same amount of little cool goodies as students do. |
| 21:56.49 | Lennie | they got a special mentor summit t-shirt last year if I remember correctly |
| 21:56.53 | Lennie | not sure what else :D |
| 21:57.02 | ArthurLiu | oh, you student got goodies before november this year ? |
| 21:57.33 | dzhus | ArthurLiu: stickers and a cool moleskine with Google logo :-P |
| 21:57.41 | ArthurLiu | my goodies, I had to go get them in Zurich |
| 21:57.46 | caden | yes i am afraid to write in it! |
| 21:57.51 | caden | soil it with my imperfect handwriting! |
| 21:57.58 | kblin | shrugs |
| 21:58.14 | kblin | they like drop them on you at pretty much every google event |
| 21:58.25 | dzhus | ArthurLiu: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nothingpersonal/3570273722/ |
| 21:58.30 | caden | well, sure, if you live out by Google |
| 21:58.37 | Landon | kblin: some of us live in the midwest :P |
| 21:58.42 | Landon | no conference love out here |
| 21:58.44 | caden | those of us in the Midwest have to get what we can |
| 21:58.48 | dzhus | never been to any of Google event :) |
| 21:58.51 | Landon | caden: high five! |
| 21:58.52 | kblin | Landon: I live in Europe, dammit |
| 21:58.53 | caden | i'm going to put mine in a vacuum display case |
| 21:58.57 | caden | high fives Landon |
| 21:59.16 | ArthurLiu | I live in a Google office :) |
| 21:59.18 | kblin | Landon: guess again who's got a longer trip to california |
| 21:59.24 | caden | sure.... near Eurgle.... |
| 21:59.24 | dzhus | ArthurLiu: ENVY ENVY ENVY |
| 21:59.35 | Landon | but who has a longer trip to $LOCAL_GOOGLE_HQ? |
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| 22:00.01 | caden | yes no one loves the midwest |
| 22:00.04 | kblin | Landon: seriously, that'd be a very expensive notebook |
| 22:00.07 | caden | love is heaped on the coasts |
| 22:00.22 | caden | we just sit here eating corn and looking at the great lakes |
| 22:00.30 | Landon | corn? |
| 22:00.33 | Landon | gosh |
| 22:00.34 | Landon | fancy |
| 22:00.37 | kblin | caden: that's because it's flyover country ;) |
| 22:00.38 | Landon | I'm stuck in kansas eating wheat |
| 22:00.39 | caden | i dunno, what do we grow around here |
| 22:00.48 | caden | ahh yes you are in the breadbasket |
| 22:00.50 | Landon | where is here, caden? |
| 22:00.53 | caden | i'm in cheese country actually |
| 22:00.59 | Landon | oh, right |
| 22:01.02 | caden | well Chicago until Jul 31, then Wisconsin |
| 22:01.14 | caden | where it will be all cheese all the time |
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| 22:01.25 | Landon | om nom nom |
| 22:02.01 | kblin | ArthurLiu: isn't that impractical? |
| 22:02.02 | caden | which i will of course eat on Kansas wheat crackers |
| 22:02.20 | caden | Arthur, cardboard cutouts of Google's founders does not make your apartment a real google office |
| 22:02.25 | caden | ;) |
| 22:02.46 | caden | he must have gone to get more notebooks |
| 22:02.53 | ArthurLiu | well, I did two sleepovers in the water lounge.. |
| 22:03.05 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I'd hate having my guests sign an nda when they visit :) |
| 22:03.16 | kblin | though... |
| 22:03.20 | kblin | considers |
| 22:03.25 | kblin | I can try |
| 22:03.35 | kblin | need to get a sticker printer thing |
| 22:03.39 | Landon | kblin: perhaps an EULA |
| 22:03.54 | Landon | requiring them to give me certain large amounts of money |
| 22:03.57 | Landon | or other assets |
| 22:04.17 | caden | how can i look up the program administrator for the EFF's GSoC? i see the list of mentors |
| 22:05.25 | ArthurLiu | caden, look at their website ? |
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| 22:05.53 | caden | let me look again lest i make myself appear to be an idiot |
| 22:07.01 | caden | no i still don't see it... if it's not in the gsocapp somewhere, no big deal |
| 22:07.32 | kblin | er, their website, not socghop? |
| 22:08.31 | caden | i looked there too |
| 22:08.45 | caden | i was hoping it was buried somewhere in melange |
| 22:10.18 | caden | i don't need it anymore nvm |
| 22:10.50 | ArthurLiu | ask on their irc channel ? |
| 22:10.55 | ArthurLiu | ask one of the mentors ? |
| 22:11.03 | ArthurLiu | look at their mailing list archive ? |
| 22:11.21 | Zlender | lh: ping |
| 22:12.20 | lh | Zlender: pong. pm please? |
| 22:20.21 | kblin | night folks |
| 22:21.30 | caden | night night |
| 22:21.46 | Lennie | nn |
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