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| 08:17.28 | Ophiuchi | hi |
| 08:18.33 | Ophiuchi | is there currently a method for an org admin to find out who already filled out their surveys? (ie via web interface) |
| 08:20.49 | ojwb | no |
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| 08:27.33 | Ophiuchi | ojwb: thatnks, I'll go chase my flock instead then |
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| 08:33.04 | skbohra | is there any way we students can know we have passed ;) |
| 08:33.22 | Mek | ask your mentor |
| 08:33.23 | Nightrose | ask your mentor ;-) |
| 08:33.43 | Lennie | ask your mentor or wait till the end of the surveys :) |
| 08:33.52 | skbohra | does org admin has any say in that? |
| 08:34.04 | Lennie | skbohra: depends on the organization |
| 08:34.21 | Lennie | skbohra: They themselves decide how they do this evaluation process |
| 08:34.46 | Lennie | however the Mentor is responsible for filling in the evaluation since he/she is the one who should have spend the most time with you on this project :) |
| 08:35.30 | skbohra | I guess best is to keep working and wait for any thing from mentor or google |
| 08:35.51 | Lennie | you could just ask :D |
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| 08:36.51 | skbohra | I am gonna ask tonight ;) |
| 08:38.37 | skbohra | I have heard a couple of students have been dropped by an org |
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| 08:42.37 | Lennie | skbohra: happens every year afaik |
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| 08:47.04 | bobbens | it's quite sad to see the students drop |
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| 08:50.25 | skbohra | heard that 1 out of 4 students fails gsoc |
| 08:51.00 | bobbens | that about matches what I'm seeing |
| 08:51.57 | makmanalp | considering how selective the admissions is, that's odd |
| 08:52.15 | Chani | that's a high number |
| 08:52.35 | makmanalp | i guess you can't tell much from a resume or a project proposal |
| 08:52.38 | Chani | i'm pretty sure kde's numbers are a lot better than that |
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| 08:52.57 | Chani | although i do know of one guy who'll have to fail his student |
| 08:53.17 | makmanalp | no work done? |
| 08:53.27 | Chani | pretty much |
| 08:53.32 | Lennie | hmm |
| 08:53.35 | Chani | and nearly no communication |
| 08:53.39 | Lennie | skbohra: that number is a bit of an overstatement |
| 08:53.45 | Lennie | skbohra: 83% made it last year :) |
| 08:53.53 | skbohra | Lennie: that's a relief |
| 08:55.31 | makmanalp | i'm almost certain that the only ways to fail are to a)never do any work and b)never talk to anyone |
| 08:55.46 | skbohra | +1 |
| 08:55.46 | Lennie | failure is not an option it is a requirement |
| 08:55.47 | Lennie | hold on |
| 08:55.55 | Lennie | getting good speech for you :) |
| 08:56.09 | Lennie | or actually a good Google talk |
| 08:56.10 | skbohra | cool |
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| 08:56.23 | Lennie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SARbwvhupQ |
| 08:56.35 | Lennie | there you go :) |
| 08:57.37 | skbohra | the ultimate goal would be to get my module included into the main trunk, |
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| 09:01.27 | makmanalp | Lennie: didn't know the I/O videos were released! |
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| 09:02.12 | Lennie | oh |
| 09:02.14 | Lennie | they all are :D |
| 09:02.15 | Lennie | have fun |
| 09:02.30 | skbohra | makmanalp: you watched google wave video? |
| 09:02.54 | Lennie | With spelly and chessy :)? |
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| 09:03.04 | makmanalp | skbohra: oh right |
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| 09:08.23 | makmanalp | Lennie: i'm 5 minutes in and it's amazing how true this is |
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| 09:08.54 | Lennie | Frits and Ben are great people ;) |
| 09:09.03 | Lennie | kind too |
| 09:09.37 | makmanalp | Lennie: to the extent that i delayed starting releasing code before i thought it through enough, and i delay commits before i think it's absolutely correct |
| 09:09.53 | makmanalp | i never noticed this though |
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| 09:10.09 | makmanalp | it's not conscious thought, it's gut instinct |
| 09:10.11 | Lennie | I commit often and early :D, mostly too early but it helps to get reviews early on |
| 09:10.36 | makmanalp | well no, i mean for each feature |
| 09:10.56 | makmanalp | obviously i don't hold off till i have a giant chunk |
| 09:11.07 | Lennie | ok |
| 09:11.09 | makmanalp | but at least i make sure each commit is compileable and such |
| 09:11.28 | Lennie | ofcourse it should compile ^_^ |
| 09:11.45 | skbohra | this is I think a very general issue and that's why there's a talk on this |
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| 10:16.15 | skbohra | what's this flooding ? |
| 10:16.15 | Chainsaw | It's a netsplit. |
| 10:16.15 | Chainsaw | Part of the IRC network broke off. |
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| 10:16.15 | skbohra | happening I every channel |
| 10:16.15 | skbohra | in* |
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| 10:16.15 | Chainsaw | It's now rebuilding itself from the fragments. Like mercury drops form a Terminator. |
| 10:16.15 | Chainsaw | Why yes. The IRC *network* fell apart. |
| 10:16.15 | jbilcke | haa.. good old irc protocol |
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| 10:16.15 | Chainsaw | Anyhow, since my IRC client is corrupting the screen (?!), I'm upgrading and restarting it. |
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| 10:16.15 | jbilcke | made from the beginning to resist nuclear wars and datacenter splits ;) |
| 10:16.54 | Chainsaw | On IRC it's rather hard to make things resilient. It does not support a ring topology in any way. |
| 10:16.54 | Chainsaw | Just point to point links. |
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| 10:26.04 | jbilcke | earthquake ? ;) |
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| 11:03.24 | gsoc | This is ridiculous |
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| 11:04.51 | gsoc | my friends mentor says he find he payed someone to complete his project |
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| 11:05.07 | aghisla | ?!? |
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| 11:05.53 | gsoc | thats sad |
| 11:06.20 | ajuonline | gsoc: email to lh about it |
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| 11:06.30 | gsoc | he is struggling with his project a bit |
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| 11:07.28 | ojwb | did he pay someone? |
| 11:07.35 | gsoc | he never |
| 11:07.54 | gsoc | this is what his mentor says he find from someone |
| 11:08.23 | ojwb | as ajuonline says, talk to lh |
| 11:08.45 | gsoc | i think yes thats the best way |
| 11:08.53 | ojwb | or rather, get him to |
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| 11:09.22 | ajuonline | just ask him to not stop working |
| 11:09.33 | skbohra | seems like this means he's gonna fail :( |
| 11:09.42 | ajuonline | lh and the team will take care of it, |
| 11:09.54 | skbohra | I have told him to keep working |
| 11:10.06 | ajuonline | skbohra: ? |
| 11:10.18 | ajuonline | whois gsoc |
| 11:10.20 | ajuonline | u? |
| 11:10.39 | skbohra | I am yes |
| 11:10.41 | skbohra | :) |
| 11:10.51 | ojwb | no, i am gsoc! |
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| 11:11.55 | ojwb | might be worth talking to the org admin(s) too |
| 11:12.27 | ojwb | it has actually happened before though |
| 11:12.44 | ojwb | someone trying to "subcontract" I mean, not just the accusation |
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| 11:21.17 | ajuonline | plagiarism etc, is easy to figure out. i am sure lh would have dealt with cases like this before |
| 11:21.28 | ajuonline | and if the student feels that the mentor is a PITA, |
| 11:21.33 | ajuonline | he can first talk to the org admin |
| 11:21.37 | ajuonline | and then lh |
| 11:21.54 | ajuonline | but you need to talk :) and not just sit scared |
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| 16:08.04 | loufoque | I still haven't chosen a PIN code for my debit card, is there a way to do that on the web rather than on the phone? I'd rather avoid an international phone call |
| 16:10.21 | lifeeth | loufoque, You can try it with skype |
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| 16:11.09 | summatusmentis | loufoque: as far as I know, you have to do it over the phone, although skype might be a good option |
| 16:11.31 | loufoque | is it free? |
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| 16:12.07 | aghisla | loufoque: yes! |
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| 16:13.38 | aghisla | grin! problems with python IDE!! |
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| 16:13.44 | aghisla | ... |
| 16:14.01 | summatusmentis | uh... |
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| 16:17.29 | ojwb | only free as in beer... |
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| 16:19.56 | ecin_ | You know those bugs that appear out of nowhere, and disappear on their own, only to reappear when you've calmed down? |
| 16:20.00 | ecin_ | bangs head against wall. |
| 16:20.17 | ecin_ | ... good thing I have this underscore for padding. |
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| 16:42.07 | loufoque | is the evaluation visible to mentors? |
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| 16:43.03 | ojwb | the student's isn't |
| 16:43.56 | ojwb | i think there's something in the faq or somewhere about them possibly being "revealed" if there's a dispute |
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| 16:44.32 | ojwb | but in the normal course of events, the student and mentor don't see each other's evaluations |
| 16:47.12 | loufoque | is this survey all I need to do for the mid-term evaluation? |
| 16:48.07 | ojwb | there's a second more general one, but it's optional |
| 16:48.43 | loufoque | so there is no need to make a report of my work or anything like that yet? |
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| 16:50.18 | ajuonline | how else is the world going to know what work did you do? |
| 16:51.13 | loufoque | I said "yet" |
| 16:53.22 | ojwb | I'd kind of hope that you've been making regular reports for the past 6 weeks... |
| 16:53.27 | ajuonline | your mentor would best answer, if they need everything documented or not |
| 16:53.29 | ajuonline | or reports |
| 16:53.36 | loufoque | yes I have, I'm talking of a report to google |
| 16:53.41 | ojwb | no |
| 16:53.49 | ajuonline | you dont report anything to google |
| 16:53.55 | ojwb | google trust the mentor and org to know better than they do |
| 16:54.03 | loufoque | even at the end? |
| 16:54.04 | ajuonline | at any point. except in the end, when you host the code |
| 16:54.09 | ojwb | plus reviewing 1000 student project would take them a while |
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| 17:17.07 | loufoque | honestly, cheques were much better. |
| 17:17.50 | codestasher | i havnt set my pin yet |
| 17:17.51 | codestasher | :) |
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| 17:18.27 | loufoque | well, you have to dial a number which is not toll-free outside the US, great. |
| 17:18.38 | loufoque | then you can't transfer the money to another bank account |
| 17:18.56 | ajuonline | if you use skype. its free. |
| 17:19.07 | codestasher | yeah |
| 17:19.15 | ajuonline | there is nothing like an international Toll free number, yet. iirc. |
| 17:19.30 | loufoque | so I have to run proprietary software to do that? |
| 17:19.51 | loufoque | I have a SIP service that allows me to call any regular US landline for free |
| 17:20.18 | ajuonline | well if you are so particular about it, i would guess, you also use Open Source hardware. |
| 17:20.21 | loufoque | but it doesn't work with the number we have to call |
| 17:21.15 | ajuonline | I used Skype. Didnt cost me a thing. |
| 17:21.17 | ajuonline | done in 4 minutes |
| 17:21.43 | ajuonline | there are two numbers, i guess |
| 17:21.52 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Of course there is, 008 is international toll-free |
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| 17:22.20 | MatthewWilkes | 00800 maybe, those are the only ones I've actually seen |
| 17:22.28 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: 008? isnt that an emergency number ? |
| 17:22.45 | ojwb | it calls international rescue |
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| 17:23.45 | MatthewWilkes | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freephone#Universal_International_Freephone_numbers |
| 17:24.01 | MatthewWilkes | 00 is the international dialing code here, it may vary for you |
| 17:25.14 | ajuonline | awesome :P |
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| 18:08.12 | thebolt | hi |
| 18:09.52 | codestasher | hi |
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| 18:14.18 | codestasher | so many hi :P |
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| 18:21.44 | codestasher | 7 in all till now :D |
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| 20:39.20 | kane77 | hi, if I submit the survey now, will I be able to edit it later? |
| 20:39.59 | summatusmentis | you can edit it up to... whatever the day is |
| 20:40.03 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 20:40.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 20:40.16 | schumaml | !next |
| 20:40.17 | socinfo | "next" is July 13: Deadline for mid-term evaluations. |
| 20:40.46 | summatusmentis | es, July 13 |
| 20:40.50 | summatusmentis | you can edit up to July 13 |
| 20:40.57 | Nightrose | *sigh* |
| 20:41.11 | summatusmentis | dot dot dot |
| 20:41.24 | Nightrose | wishes mentors would tell the admin team about students in danger of failing earlier |
| 20:41.36 | Landon | HI SUMMATUSMENTIS |
| 20:41.45 | Nightrose | earlier than during midterm evaluation |
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| 20:42.14 | summatusmentis | OMG LANDON!?! HOW ARE YOU?!? I NEVER TALK TO YOU ANYMORE! |
| 20:42.21 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 20:42.39 | Landon | I KNOW RIGHT |
| 20:42.42 | Landon | EATIN SOME PICKLES |
| 20:42.43 | Landon | MM MM |
| 20:43.09 | schumaml | we've got a bot that auto-bans on more than ten uppercase chars |
| 20:43.27 | schumaml | maybe it should be invited here ;) |
| 20:43.31 | Landon | hehe |
| 20:43.48 | Landon | I remember reading about a bot that bans if certain things are repeated |
| 20:43.50 | Landon | well |
| 20:43.53 | Landon | if phrases are repeated |
| 20:43.54 | Landon | ever. |
| 20:44.02 | Landon | to spice up the chat |
| 20:44.05 | summatusmentis | schumaml: caps lock is cruise control for cool |
| 20:44.05 | Landon | that would be interesting |
| 20:44.15 | Landon | summatusmentis: but you still have to steer |
| 20:44.15 | Landon | :P |
| 20:44.20 | summatusmentis | nope |
| 20:44.35 | Landon | : |
| 20:44.37 | Landon | :O |
| 20:44.44 | Landon | I've had so many partial drive failures the past few days |
| 20:44.47 | Landon | >.< |
| 20:44.55 | summatusmentis | Nightrose: is your student being dropped? |
| 20:45.05 | Landon | hopefully I can get through the rest of soc without anything major dying |
| 20:45.06 | summatusmentis | Landon: partial drive failures? |
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| 20:45.22 | Nightrose | summatusmentis: i'm just on the admin team poking our mentors with a long pointy stick of doom :D |
| 20:45.23 | Landon | summatusmentis: sure, SATA errors pop up |
| 20:45.34 | Landon | a reboot/cool down usually solves it thouggh |
| 20:45.37 | summatusmentis | Nightrose: oh, I see |
| 20:45.41 | summatusmentis | Landon: oh, hrm |
| 20:45.45 | Landon | never really happens in the winter *cough cough* |
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| 20:46.00 | summatusmentis | maybe you shouldn't live in HOT |
| 20:46.25 | Landon | I try! |
| 20:46.46 | Landon | but I'm stuck in uni here for another few years |
| 20:46.49 | Landon | before I can move to COLD |
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| 23:58.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: yay for biking, boo for spending money to get it back in shape :\ |
| 23:58.49 | summatusmentis | dude, I just biked for at least 2 miles, might be closer to three |
| 23:58.50 | summatusmentis | oof |