IRC log for #gsoc on 20090710

00:02.13Landononly? :P
00:03.08thiagossI used to go for 30km twice a week from 5 to 7:30am but my bike broke and I never got it fixed (3 months ago)
00:03.23thiagossthose were happy times
00:04.07LandonI'm still a little scared to take my bike out in the city :\
00:04.15Landon</paranoid>
00:04.40thiagossI rode it out of town
00:04.57thiagossinto the nice farm areas of the brazilian northeast region
00:05.12Landonhmmm
00:05.19LandonI think its several miles out of town here :(
00:05.35Landonso I'd be tired bby the time I got to country roads or I'd have to drive out there
00:06.02thiagossno cars, just some simple people staring at those funny colorful futuristic helmets passing by
00:06.11Landonalthough, my bike isn't really a road bike, so why not use it for what it was meant for :P
00:06.33thiagossI live in a small town, about 10 km is the largest distance I get here, plus I live almost at the limit of it
00:07.17Landonabsolutely massive ;)
00:07.34Landonheh, I grew up outside of a town that was probably a mile by a mile
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00:11.06summatusmentisLandon: yes only, it was my first day, and I'm in the middle of nowhere ME
00:11.13summatusmentisthe hills out here are killer
00:11.35summatusmentisperhaps I'm a pansy, c'est la vie
00:11.35Landonah, hils
00:11.50summatusmentisyes sir
00:12.08summatusmentisI know they don't have them in kentucky, or wherever you are, but we have them here
00:12.11Landonbut is it a dirt road
00:12.25summatusmentisno, it's paved
00:12.44Landonhm, let's go with pansy for now then :P
00:12.45thiagossI really need a better bike also, my friends' bikes are at least 10x the price of mine's :-(
00:12.57Landonhaha
00:13.05Landonmine was $200 when I got it
00:13.16summatusmentisI'd like a decent bike, but I anna know I'll use it first
00:13.30Landonyeah
00:13.56summatusmentiswanna*
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00:15.01thiagosssummatusmentis, you should try that US crossing competition ;)
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00:15.22summatusmentisthiagoss: there's a competition?
00:15.48thiagosssummatusmentis, yes! From the east coast to the west coast! (or the other way around)
00:16.11summatusmentisI've been contemplating if I have what it takes to do http://bikeandbuild.org
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00:16.19summatusmentisI was unaware of a competition
00:17.57thiagosssummatusmentis, this year a brazilian woman won it
00:18.22summatusmentisinteresting
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00:18.32Landonsummatusmentis: do theorangeroute ;)
00:18.51summatusmentisLandon: you should dot it too
00:19.01summatusmentisdo*
00:19.06Landonperhaps
00:19.24LandonI think I should tackle the  one that goes across kansas first though
00:19.24Landon:P
00:19.24Landonwhat sort of time frame is that in anyways?
00:19.25thiagosshttp://www.raceacrossamerica.org/ !
00:20.01summatusmentisLandon: I think it's a couple months
00:20.26summatusmentistrying to finde theorangeroute's page
00:20.31Landonouch,would need tobe inridiculous good shape (at least, for me) :P
00:21.01summatusmentisthis year, theorangeroute is from June 3 to Aug 13
00:21.18Landonhm
00:21.19Landonthatd be nice
00:21.25Landonif I had the money to take a summer off >.>
00:22.05summatusmentisyeah, exactly
00:22.26LandonI'll let you know when my bank acct peaks 5 digits
00:22.26Landon;)
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00:23.22Landonsummatusmentis: 2011
00:23.38LandonI say we should try and make it for 2011
00:24.01Landonbecause thats an arbitrary year
00:24.01Landon:P
00:24.12summatusmentisthat's.. after snioer year?
00:24.36summatusmentissenior*
00:24.50Landonafter my first senior year :P
00:24.56Landonheh
00:25.30summatusmentisare you not thinking you're gonna be done?
00:25.41summatusmentisbut yes, after what would be senior year
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00:25.47Landonprobably not
00:25.47LandonI'm trying to slow down on hours
00:25.57Landonsee if I can get better grades
00:25.58Landonand more time for personal projects
00:27.02Landonhmmm
00:27.18LandonI could probaby repurpose the exercise app and add biking miles into it next weeekend
00:27.25Landon(good thing I already have a gps unit :P)
00:28.28Landon...because what better way to do this stuff than electronically
00:28.28Landon:P
00:28.48summatusmentisdude... that would be cool
00:29.01summatusmentisalso< I'm all for slowing down on credits
00:29.39Landontoo bad I dont have one of them newfangled devices with USB   :P
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01:01.21r0bbyLandon: I already take usually no fewer than 6-7 credits a semester :X
01:01.28r0bbyi suck at time management :X
01:01.39summatusmentisr0bby: really? hrm
01:01.48summatusmentisI'm contemplatin 14 this next semester
01:01.57r0bbysummatusmentis: any more and I know what happens
01:01.58r0bby:X
01:02.07summatusmentisfair enough
01:02.19Landonthats 2 classes?
01:02.20Landon:P
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01:02.24Landon3?
01:02.47r0bby2
01:02.53r0bby3 = 9
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01:03.15r0bbyI'm on the final leg of my associates degree :X
01:03.18summatusmentisalmost all o f my classes are either 4 or 5 credits
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01:03.34summatusmentisr0bby: are you gonna keep going to school after that?
01:03.40r0bbysummatusmentis: I have to
01:03.55r0bbyplus I could get a cornacopia of degrees!
01:03.58r0bby:-)
01:04.09summatusmentisou have to?
01:04.11summatusmentisyou*
01:04.24r0bbysummatusmentis: not *HAVE TO* but i can't do squat w/ an Associates
01:04.31summatusmentisoh, I see
01:04.34r0bbySoc will *HELP*
01:04.37r0bbybut not much
01:04.46summatusmentisI didn't know if your parents were making you or something
01:05.10r0bbyI'm 27
01:05.15r0bbymy parents can't make me do much
01:05.17summatusmentisyou're 27?
01:05.21r0bbyyeh.
01:05.22summatusmentisI didn't know that
01:05.35summatusmentisI guess I assumed you were my age
01:05.38r0bbyif i wanted to quit, they can't stop me, just they wont support me :)
01:05.49summatusmentisfair enough :)
01:05.52r0bbyright now, they're willing to do it -- barring I don't flunj
01:05.59r0bbyflunk*
01:06.37summatusmentiswell that's good anyway
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01:08.55r0bbysummatusmentis: all I need: physics i and ii; linear algebra; stats; and a US History
01:09.09r0bbyI set it up so i graduate in May 2011
01:09.14summatusmentisr0bby: fwiw, I hated linear algebra, and dropped it
01:09.21r0bbyI can't drop it
01:09.24r0bbyit's required
01:09.41summatusmentisyeh, I had other optoins to fill that requirement
01:09.43r0bbyYou think I wanna take all that shit?
01:09.59r0bbyUS History *MAY* be fun
01:10.17r0bbyit'll be the only class I won't dread likely but I got an awesome physics prof so it may work out :)
01:10.54summatusmentis:-/
01:11.21r0bbyUS History, Physics I w/ calc; Physics II w/ calc; Linear Algebra; Stats
01:11.34r0bbythe way i broke it down
01:12.13r0bbyI had a nightmare I had to retake another class and my requirements weren't all satisfied :(
01:12.20r0bbyI kept missing this one class
01:12.27r0bbyin the dream
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01:53.27Landonhmmmmm
01:53.34Landonanything I need from amazon before I place my order
01:53.35Landon>.>
01:55.23skbohraa credit card ;)
01:56.17Landonhehehe
01:56.22Landonhave plenty :\
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01:58.05Landonjust placed an order for some bike stuffs
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02:01.34skbohraI would buy a car from my gsoc money ;) $2000 car http://tatanano.inservices.tatamotors.com/tatamotors/
02:02.09Landonyeah but I already have a car :P just not exercise
02:02.56summatusmentisI'm... saving? my gsoc money
02:03.39LandonI'm going to try to save teh bulk of mine as well
02:03.57Landonso I can afford to do fun things like bike across the US or travel internationally :P
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02:05.09summatusmentisyeah, mine might become inadvertant booze money :(
02:05.29summatusmentisI turn 21 after like, 2 weeks of school
02:06.03Landonthats... a l o lot of booze
02:06.08summatusmentisskbohra: wanna import that into the US for me?
02:06.13summatusmentisnot all of it, clearly
02:07.56skbohrasummatusmentis: have to see how taxes and all goes
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02:14.28touchaddict!logs
02:14.28socinfo"logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc
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02:14.59skbohrasummatusmentis: how many you want? ;)
02:17.03skbohratouchaddict: hola
02:17.13Landona dozen
02:17.15Landonhe wants a dozen
02:17.17Landon:D
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02:18.08skbohraLandon: he's gonna sell them in US :D
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02:27.03summatusmentisI don't want a dozen :-P
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09:05.53aghislawow throwed out 75 lines of code!
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09:06.30prataghisla, try rm -rf * .. it throws out more code :)
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09:09.50aghislaprat :DD
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09:31.10Ivanovicprat: pah, there are even better solutions: su -c "rm -rf /"
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09:31.57pratsu -c dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda :)
09:32.55Ivanovicah, there you are not 100% sure that the number of lines of code is really reduced
09:34.19pratah! well.. atleast it will make it unrecoverable :)
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09:36.13Ivanovicfor rather recoverable and still sure that you got lots of lines of code removed: su -c "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda && dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda && dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda && dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda"
09:36.28Ivanovic(as in write random data three times and lovely 0 afterwards)
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09:37.32aghislaI was just refactoring...
09:37.49pratIvanovic, that would fail after once :)
09:37.54pratthere will be no more dd left :)
09:38.10Ivanoviche, right
09:38.25Ivanovicthough there is a slim chance that dd is still intact...
09:38.26Ivanovic;)
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09:38.58Ivanovic(yes, the chance for winning *every* lottery in the world on the same day is higher)
09:39.05pratIvanovic, probably should add in code to make a tmpfs on ram .. sync the binaries there and mount /bin there
09:39.26Ivanovichmm, yeah, this would work nicely
09:39.46Ivanovicthough i am not this much of a minimalist
09:39.58Ivanovici prefer more lines of code as long as that makes the code easier readable and maintainable
09:40.20aghislahttp://www.ioccc.org/
09:40.59prataghisla, this is not obfuscation .. this is destruction *evil grin *
09:42.15aghislaloooool
09:42.31aghislahow can people spend time in writing such monsters!!
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09:55.39sioraiHrm, slightly OT, I use the Icelandic version of Gmail and there's a major translation error
09:55.42sioraiwhere can I report it
09:59.33MatthewWilkessiorai: More than slightly OT ;)  Look for a support section of the site?
09:59.55sioraiMatthewWilkes: I did, I can look more, I just figured someone here might know =p
10:00.08t0mssiorai: If you find where you can report bugs in gmail, please let me know
10:00.09t0ms:)
10:00.49sioraiI know I would have a hard time dealing with semitic language considerations wrt different conjugations for different genders0
10:00.52sioraioops
10:00.55sioraisorry, wrong window
10:00.59siorait0ms: will do
10:01.05t0msthx :)
10:01.10sioraiApparently this is a bug in other inflected languages though
10:01.28sioraiunlikely to be fixed -_-
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10:01.44t0msi found a bug in gmail mail-service
10:04.15sioraiah, well, mine annoys me every time i get a time stamp =p
10:04.32sioraiif your native language has a dative case, you'll understand =p
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10:41.29socinfo"logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc
10:42.12skbohrathe logging isn't real time :-/
10:44.53t0mssiorai: I don't like translated UI
10:45.18siorait0ms: what is your native language?
10:45.23t0msSlovak
10:45.29sioraiah
10:45.34sioraiwell, they often suck, i agree
10:45.35t0msyours?
10:45.40sioraienglish, actually =p
10:45.45t0ms:))
10:45.56sioraibut I work in a lot of other languages
10:46.00sioraiand have done localisation
10:46.03sioraiso I like to shop around
10:46.06sioraito see how others do it
10:46.10sioraiusually poorly, afaict
10:46.27sioraibut it's really hard for english speakers to thikn in terms of inflection
10:47.50t0msunfortunately, I know exactly, what you are talking about... Slovak translations are full of grammar and logical mistakes
10:49.10t0msand there is noone to fix it
10:49.42t0msbtw. my problem with gmail is that there are two people have adresses like namesurname@gmail.com and the other one has name.surname@gmail.com
10:50.17t0msand sometimes there are emails going to namesurename@gmail.com even though, they should go to name.surname@gmail.com
10:50.33devilsadvocatet0ms: google doesnt allow that
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10:50.53devilsadvocatet0ms: if you own namesurname, then you also own name.surname, na.me.surname, etc
10:50.58t0msdevilsadvocate: I know
10:50.59devilsadvocatet0ms: iirc
10:51.39t0msgive me a sec, I will find exact email names
10:51.56t0msktothova@gmail.com and k.tothova@gmail.com
10:54.00t0msk.tothova sends mail to some company and reply email from the company should go to k.tothova, however ktothova gets it
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10:56.12ojwbum, they're the same account though
10:56.14ojwbjust aliases
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10:56.59ojwbor are you saying "some company" are rewriting addresses to drop the dots?
10:58.05t0msno, the email is sent from k.tothova, then to company replies to it (the reply mail is sent again to k.tothova), but it's delivered to ktothova
10:58.24t0msthen the*
10:59.02ojwbbut k.tothova is just an alias for ktothova in gmail, isn't it?
10:59.07WinterMuteyes
10:59.09ojwbthey aren't different accounts
10:59.45t0mshttp://toms.linuxos.sk/ktothova.png
11:00.06t0msoriginal e-mail is To: k.tothova@gmail.com
11:00.15t0msbut then it's forwarded from ktothova@gmail.com
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11:00.37t0msand my friend (ktothova) says, that k.tothova is some other person :D
11:01.54ojwbgmail goofed then
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11:06.55siorait0ms: weird
11:08.51sioraiI'm jealous of people that can get firstname.surname@gmail =(
11:08.57sioraimy name is tom.harper
11:09.01sioraithat and variations thereof
11:09.04sioraiSUPER common
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11:12.03t0mssiorai: I know about one other person with exactly the same name  :)
11:12.13t0msas I have
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11:18.14siorait0ms: bummer, isn't it? =p
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14:16.35pinkertonhas anyone else complained about how quickly the help tips fade out on the mentor evaluation form?
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14:17.05pinkertoni can't even read the long (very important) tip on the "overall evaluation of midterm progress" question because it fades before i can read a sentence
14:17.12pinkertonso i have to keep going in and out and in and out.
14:17.31pinkertonor am i just really slow?
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14:18.22Nightrosepinkerton: it is fast, i agree
14:18.29Nightrosei had trouble reading them that fast as well
14:18.56pinkertonesp since there's the "if you don't select pass, your student won't be paid and won't be allowed to continue" part
14:18.56pinkertonthat's sorta important to read.
14:19.08kblinfile a bug :)
14:19.11kblin!bugs
14:19.11socinfo"bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list
14:19.34pinkertonso i guess i am the first person to really complain :)
14:19.54kblindunno
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14:20.15kblinI just know that just complaining here won't help :)
14:20.47kblinyou can search the bugtracker for similar bugs
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14:44.12Landonsummatusmentis: sweet, I think I found a local trail
14:44.14Landonwithin 5 miles
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14:44.26summatusmentisLandon: biking? afaik there are no trails around here
14:44.47Landonyeah biking
14:44.52summatusmentisvery cool
14:44.59summatusmentiswww.bikely.com
14:44.59Landonyou sure? I was surprised at all the ones around here
14:45.19summatusmentisI'm looking
14:45.33summatusmentisI haven't seen any, but no, I'm not sure
14:46.10Landonhm, the site I found this one on was kansas only :P
14:46.29Landonoh nifty site
14:47.21summatusmentisnothing near me
14:47.27summatusmentisclosest is about an hour away
14:47.33summatusmentisall the good ones are at least 2 hours away
14:47.47Landonbikely only shows one trail for manhattan :\
14:48.07summatusmentisit's still weird to me that you live in manhattan :)
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14:49.00Landon:P
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17:12.35karsten_tori bet this is a FAQ, but i didn't find the answer myself: where can i find out who has submitted their mid-term evaluation yet, as an org admin?
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17:13.29kblinkarsten_tor: they're still working on that feature
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17:14.51karsten_torok. we'll try the old-fashioned way of asking everyone via email then. thanks.
17:15.23kblin:)
17:15.24MatthewWilkeskblin: And will likely not have it for midterm
17:15.54kblinMatthewWilkes: dunno, I don't follow what's going on in #melange much
17:16.47kblinanyway, off to the theatre with the $GF
17:16.47MatthewWilkesI spoke to Lennie about it today, they're too busy with midterms
17:16.47kblincya.. :)
17:16.48dberkholzso i wonder how we can actually determine whether every mentor's filed a midterm, then
17:16.52MatthewWilkesNo, you can't
17:17.39dberkholzi have a student who contacted me today saying he's worried that his mentor hasn't filed an eval. not entirely sure where to go from here
17:18.14summatusmentistalk to the mentor?
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19:11.12r0bbyI should go the bar in my soc t-shirt :)
19:11.25r0bbyI shouldn't be going out :(
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19:25.38smtmslast year's GSoC T-shirts are out of fashion this year
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19:27.51r0bbysmtms: this year's soc t-shirts will be.. nevermind i won't say it for reasons of tactfulness
19:28.01r0bby(yay, i'm learning)
19:28.01smtmsugly?
19:28.19r0bbyI plead the 5th on grounds that lh will hurt me
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19:28.52schumamlI like the 2006 ones
19:29.06r0bbyI <3 the 2008 ones
19:29.09r0bbythey're nice
19:29.14r0bbythe logo was clean
19:29.46schumamlwe are talking about the same red orange blue green blob? ;)
19:30.05Landon^
19:30.10LandonI could imagine a cleaner logo
19:30.25Landonnot a fan of big huge patches on shirts
19:30.39scorchemaybe we should have a summer of shirtlogomaking...
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19:31.04Landonscrobut winter is unused
19:31.04Landon;]
19:31.07schumamlcompared to the 2008 logo, the current one will most likely be clean
19:31.28schumamlbut unreadable
19:32.02scorchethe only issue i have with the '08 logo is that it had this massive screenprint on the back which gets sweaty
19:32.18Landonon the back?
19:32.27Landonare we thinking of the same 2008
19:32.28scorches/logo/shirt
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19:33.37schumamlscorche: can we see a photo of you wearing the shirt?
19:33.43scorcheo_O
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19:33.52Landonpicsor ban!
19:35.02scorchefine...on the front =P
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19:35.23LandonI liked the back
19:35.23Landon;)
19:35.26Landonnice and simple
19:35.48scorchewas thinking of the mentor summit shirt which was a bit crowded on the back
19:36.06Landonaha
19:36.20Landonneeds to get his button track :
19:36.25Landonneed to buy some mroe parts for a makeshift hammock stand
19:36.35Landonwhich is very wobbly atm... and planning on putting it infront of a big window
19:36.39Landonprobably not a good mix
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19:40.17r0bbyI wore my 2008 soc t-shirt for the gsoc 2008 NYC meetup
19:40.32r0bbyI made it easy for the group to find me
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19:55.57glenker_If someone intends on withdrawing from the GSoC, is there a form for this? or should I just not worry about it?
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19:58.39Guest232hello all
19:59.13Guest232beside the midterm evaluation form on melange, there is something else to do for the midterm evaluation?
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20:03.42kurt_87hello everybody
20:04.39kurt_87I wanted to ask you guyz , if besides the evaluation form on melange, is there anything else that we need to do for the evaluation form ?
20:04.51kurt_87(for the midterm evaluation?)
20:04.55smtmsglenker_, there's no form
20:04.58schumamlGuest232: if you're an org admin, you should probably nag your other mentors
20:05.06smtmsglenker_, you should notify your mentor and your project admin at least
20:05.07kurt_87i'm just a student
20:05.19kurt_87of course
20:05.35kurt_87I have submited my mentor sources and stuff
20:05.46kurt_87and filled out the form on the students page
20:05.53kurt_87but is there anything else we need 2 to?
20:06.11glenker_smtms: oh okay, than
20:06.13smtmsnothing that I know of
20:06.13glenker_thanks
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20:06.19kurt_87thank you
20:10.23schumamlI really wonder how the midterm surveys will turn out this time
20:10.38schumamlno admin overview
20:10.43schumamlno nag mails
20:11.06schumamlno way for admins to stand in for a mentor
20:11.36Nightrose:( still? damn I am not looking forward to nagging our 38 mentors personally
20:11.48Nightrosewrites emails
20:13.59schumamland what about the students? what happen if our students don't complete their surveys?
20:14.03schumamlhappens
20:14.23schumamlNightrose: another 38 mails? ;)
20:14.39Nightrosewell 2*38 actually
20:14.40Nightroseyea
20:14.57Nightrosealso starts new column in her google spreadsheet
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20:16.58lhschumaml: if the students dont complete surveys then we nag them, not your problem.
20:17.02lhand patches welcome :)
20:17.12lhreads scrollback
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20:43.05chxlh: um
20:44.06dberkholzi found my missing mentor, so nm if you read that
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21:20.35summatusmentiscygwin needs better download options
21:20.43summatusmentissomething like apt
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21:59.35t0mshow does a username to myecount.com look like?
21:59.52t0msI know my password, but I can't remeber my username :-\
22:01.13dzhust0ms: it's the one you entered when registering your card
22:01.53t0msseems like I will have to call citi bank
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