| 00:01.07 | JeroenDeDauw | Isn't there some kind of student summit after GSoC? |
| 00:01.22 | Landon | not unless we set one up ourselves ;) |
| 00:01.24 | Landon | there's a mentor summit |
| 00:03.17 | JeroenDeDauw | Yeah, I just read that, hence my question for a students summit. |
| 00:03.30 | JeroenDeDauw | Sad we don't get free incecream @ googleplex :( |
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| 04:03.42 | Landon | summatusmentis: done yet? :P |
| 04:03.51 | summatusmentis | no |
| 04:03.57 | summatusmentis | not close enough |
| 04:04.08 | summatusmentis | or rather, not to my satisfaction |
| 04:04.16 | summatusmentis | I'll finish within the next couple weeks |
| 04:06.08 | Landon | I've got a few more things to do, then I'm done with my revised-revised-revised-revised goals >.< |
| 04:11.59 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 04:12.24 | summatusmentis | I'm close on finishing up the windows side of what I need |
| 04:12.34 | summatusmentis | from there, I need to port/test on unix |
| 04:13.06 | Landon | pf |
| 04:13.08 | Landon | testing is useless |
| 04:13.12 | Landon | it just incresases the number of bugs |
| 04:13.13 | Landon | ;) |
| 04:13.22 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 04:14.51 | Landon | dangit |
| 04:14.54 | Landon | you beat me by 7s |
| 04:15.05 | summatusmentis | twitter ftw \o/ |
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| 07:49.46 | t0ms | !next |
| 07:49.46 | socinfo | "next" is firm pencils down and final evaluations begin August 17 |
| 07:51.49 | skbohra | its almost here |
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| 07:57.59 | Upthorn | 11 hours. |
| 07:58.06 | Upthorn | and 2 seconds from when I said that |
| 07:58.53 | Upthorn | except appearantly my clock has drifted forward 2 minutes in the past 5 days |
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| 08:00.00 | Upthorn | 11 hours. |
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| 08:11.48 | skbohra | The Countdown begint http://bit.ly/gsoc2009 :D |
| 08:15.47 | t0ms | 10 hours to finish documentation :) |
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| 08:26.17 | skbohra | and then party! |
| 08:26.20 | skbohra | ;) |
| 08:27.05 | t0ms | no, then I'll sleep :) |
| 08:27.27 | skbohra | once you get up |
| 08:28.51 | araujo | hi all |
| 08:28.57 | skbohra | hi |
| 08:28.58 | araujo | has 10 hours to finish doc and fix a bug! |
| 08:29.12 | araujo | gets caffeine and cookies first |
| 08:29.18 | skbohra | best of luck with that |
| 08:29.30 | araujo | thanks :) |
| 08:29.34 | skbohra | I think I am finished up :P |
| 08:31.31 | skbohra | as lh sometime said its ok to work till 23rd if mentor has no problem |
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| 08:35.45 | araujo | skbohra, one of these 'last-minute-unnoticeable-by-2-months' bug ..... |
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| 08:36.18 | araujo | i think can get the fix in these incoming hours |
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| 08:42.09 | araujo | closes the tab with the counter better |
| 08:42.57 | t0ms | I finished bug-fixing yesterday at 10pm :) |
| 08:43.53 | t0ms | btw. how am I suppose to send code, which I wrote to other student's project? |
| 08:44.17 | araujo | as patch I think |
| 08:44.46 | t0ms | 10:42 < t0ms> I finished bug-fixing yesterday at 10pm :) |
| 08:45.00 | t0ms | (ups, sorry, middle button) |
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| 11:56.31 | r0bby | Down to the wire! |
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| 12:50.25 | LukasT | Hi, when we will send code samples to Google? |
| 12:51.19 | araujo | soon |
| 12:51.21 | araujo | :P |
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| 12:55.30 | kblin | !timeline |
| 12:55.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 12:55.33 | kblin | LukasT: ^^^ |
| 12:56.04 | thebolt | hi kblin |
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| 12:58.55 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 12:59.10 | LukasT | thanks |
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| 13:50.19 | r0bby | I have untl 3pm edt correct? |
| 13:50.37 | r0bby | as i understand it 12pm pdt -> 3pm edt |
| 13:53.02 | lifeeth | r0bby, http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=8&day=17&year=2009&hour=19&min=00&sec=&p0=0 |
| 13:53.18 | lifeeth | should have tinyurld it |
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| 13:54.58 | kblin | time to get home before the thunderstorm starts |
| 13:56.56 | r0bby | lifeeth: i know the time -- just verifying |
| 13:57.03 | r0bby | i'm scrambling right now |
| 13:57.08 | r0bby | I had 3hrs of sleep |
| 13:57.15 | r0bby | over 2 days now |
| 13:57.24 | lifeeth | r0bby, documentation eh :) |
| 13:59.26 | r0bby | lifeeth: no that's done |
| 13:59.31 | r0bby | it's UI teaks |
| 13:59.33 | r0bby | er tweaks |
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| 14:38.06 | r0bby | z4chh: 12 PM PDT |
| 14:38.10 | r0bby | 19:00 UTC |
| 14:38.48 | smtms | ~19:00 UTC |
| 14:39.30 | z4chh | that's when final evaluation starts? |
| 14:40.11 | z4chh | lol i was looking for it right now...im ready to wrap up gsoc :) |
| 14:42.23 | skbohra | so gsoc ending :( |
| 14:42.40 | smtms | skbohra, you don't want a t-shirt? |
| 14:42.49 | skbohra | I do want !! |
| 14:43.02 | smtms | you get one after GSoC |
| 14:43.09 | skbohra | finally its ending!! |
| 14:43.10 | skbohra | :) |
| 14:44.07 | skbohra | want to roam in my college campus , putting on Google T-shirt, :P |
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| 14:49.43 | skbohra | if someone couldn't deliver what he promised in app, can still pass? |
| 14:50.34 | pumphaus | skbohra: if you readjusted your goals with your mentor - yes, I think so |
| 14:51.12 | skbohra | it totally thus depends on mentor |
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| 14:52.13 | skbohra | I feel that google should be little more vigilant in summer of code, regarding this thing, imho |
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| 14:53.32 | smtms | skbohra, you feel the mentors are not vigilant enough? |
| 14:54.05 | skbohra | smts: yes , I know a couple of projects |
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| 15:04.05 | araujo | skbohra, as far as I know ... google sets this date as a way of saying .. "this is the completion time of the program" ... but it gives all the responsibility to the student for finishing the project by then |
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| 15:05.15 | kblin | skbohra: so how would you suggest google would figure out if a project is "done"? |
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| 15:09.33 | kblin | skbohra: what if the fact that the student didn't finish in time was due to some problem outside the student's influence? |
| 15:09.44 | skbohra | kblin: its really tough though for google, |
| 15:09.59 | kblin | a typical case would be the mentor going "oh, I thought that feature was implemented" |
| 15:10.12 | skbohra | exactly |
| 15:10.29 | r0bby | skbohra: I didn't finish my project last summer -- my mentor passed me because it was kinda a death in my fam the last week :/ |
| 15:10.37 | kblin | in the three years of me being a student, this happened every time, with more or less impact to my schedule |
| 15:11.02 | r0bby | last year's project is being ditched actually |
| 15:11.09 | sochotnicky | kblin: ok, but it's all about communicating your problems with your mentor I guess |
| 15:11.19 | kblin | sochotnicky: sure |
| 15:11.24 | r0bby | they passed me because they knew i'd stick around |
| 15:11.31 | skbohra | kblin: the best thing is that if mentor find student would continue even after the gsoc, he can simply pass him |
| 15:11.39 | skbohra | r0bby: +1 |
| 15:11.47 | kblin | sochotnicky: if I don't know why a student doesn't deliver, I have little choice but failing the student |
| 15:11.48 | r0bby | skbohra: and look at me |
| 15:11.50 | r0bby | second year |
| 15:11.56 | sochotnicky | kblin: true |
| 15:11.58 | r0bby | *AND* i finished! |
| 15:11.59 | r0bby | :D |
| 15:12.08 | r0bby | just adding extra stuff i feel would make it better |
| 15:12.21 | r0bby | There is a design flaw that i can't fix |
| 15:12.45 | kblin | skbohra: well, actually, the best thing is to only accept students that will stick around. unfortunately, this is a non-trivial problem |
| 15:12.46 | sochotnicky | I didn't do everything I planned to do (not nearly actually) but the basic system works and I plan to improve it further |
| 15:13.05 | r0bby | my basic system works end to end |
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| 15:13.27 | sochotnicky | r0bby: yeah, I guess we mean the same thing by "basic system" |
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| 15:13.39 | sochotnicky | it works, but there are known bugs and hacks |
| 15:13.39 | r0bby | yeh |
| 15:13.40 | skbohra | kblin: this is what you hit the chord, I think the selection process is what can help fixing the prob |
| 15:13.56 | r0bby | my mentor knew why i didnt finish |
| 15:14.49 | kblin | skbohra: dunno. we might end up failing a student who was stellar last year, stuck around, was stellar this year and then vanished after mid-term |
| 15:15.00 | kblin | complete radio silence for about a month |
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| 15:15.12 | skbohra | r0bby: your mentor took the right decision last year :) |
| 15:15.19 | r0bby | yeh he did |
| 15:15.22 | r0bby | I love my org |
| 15:15.27 | kblin | it's very hard to figure that out in the selection process |
| 15:15.35 | skbohra | kblin: this is even a complicated case :) |
| 15:16.03 | kblin | there's alway going to be some churn |
| 15:16.10 | r0bby | my system has a many to one |
| 15:16.19 | r0bby | but it needs to be many to many |
| 15:16.30 | r0bby | I saw this -- but ignored it thinking "maybe this will work" |
| 15:17.02 | kblin | I think most students actually don't end up contributing after gsoc, at least not immediately and to the same project |
| 15:17.24 | kblin | but if it helps them to get started in another OSS project some years later, I'd still call this a success |
| 15:18.01 | skbohra | I have a project I would work on after gsoc, for my org :) |
| 15:18.48 | Landon | I have a lot of other projets on my plate I'd like to get started on, but it is nice being familiar with the codebase now |
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| 15:19.17 | kblin | hm, s/project/org/ actually |
| 15:19.26 | phrozn | i will defiantly want to contribute more to OSS, whenever i have the time |
| 15:20.21 | kblin | phrozn: I'm actually willing to believe that students who are active on #gsoc are more likely to stick around than those that are not |
| 15:20.57 | Landon | kblin: nowai |
| 15:21.01 | Landon | goes against all common sense :\ |
| 15:21.10 | r0bby | bugs suck |
| 15:21.18 | r0bby | esp. when they show up on the pencils down day |
| 15:21.43 | lifeeth | :) |
| 15:21.53 | kblin | Landon: might be biased because the orgs I work with are pretty IRC-centric for day to day communication |
| 15:21.59 | phrozn | no downed org servers suck, on pencils down day !!! :( |
| 15:22.16 | kblin | DVCSes for the win :) |
| 15:22.24 | sochotnicky | r0bby: don't tell me about it, deployment specific bug showed up in my app few days ago on one testing machine....still can't pinpoint the problem |
| 15:22.30 | Landon | kblin: IRC seems essential for any sor of organization, OSS or otherwise |
| 15:22.33 | Landon | unless you're doin it wrong |
| 15:22.34 | r0bby | mine is a bug where it saves |
| 15:22.38 | Landon | like my school job |
| 15:22.45 | r0bby | but the id isn't being given back to me :/ |
| 15:22.47 | Landon | we have IRC, but rely mainly on phone calls and meetings |
| 15:23.06 | kblin | Landon: the Ogre3D community seems pretty forum-based |
| 15:23.17 | r0bby | my mentor and I spoke on skype |
| 15:23.18 | sochotnicky | r0bby: database stuff I assume...maybe it's something to do with that specific database you are using |
| 15:23.25 | r0bby | both voice/im |
| 15:23.27 | Landon | kblin: outlier >.> |
| 15:23.29 | r0bby | sochotnicky: hibernate |
| 15:23.33 | Landon | :P |
| 15:23.35 | r0bby | (ORM fun) |
| 15:24.00 | sochotnicky | r0bby: yeah, I was thinking it would be something like that |
| 15:24.03 | Landon | but I never feel totally comfortable asking questions on the ogre forums because of the rate of response (not that their IRC channel has any stellar quick responses though :P) |
| 15:24.06 | sochotnicky | what db backend? |
| 15:24.30 | skbohra | which fool would not like to continue working with OSS project, its so much fun :) |
| 15:25.00 | kblin | skbohra: gut feeling? > 80% |
| 15:25.02 | sochotnicky | skbohra: I guess there are fools who really don't have time for much else besides feeding their family... |
| 15:25.40 | Landon | sochotnicky: but its still entirely possible they'd prefer to work on OSS |
| 15:25.52 | Landon | just can't for financial considerations |
| 15:26.00 | sochotnicky | that's true |
| 15:26.17 | sochotnicky | "would like to" and "will" are two different things though |
| 15:26.30 | Landon | can probably think of some cases where people still don't understand why OSS is good |
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| 15:27.01 | sochotnicky | Landon: I'd de surprised if there were students who after GSoC would not get benefits of OSS |
| 15:27.17 | sochotnicky | get in the meaning of "understand" |
| 15:27.26 | kblin | sochotnicky: as in? |
| 15:27.27 | Landon | yeah |
| 15:27.28 | phrozn | i've benefited a million ways from gsoc |
| 15:27.35 | Landon | wonders if this is going to be a survey question |
| 15:27.42 | Landon | "If possible, would you prefer to keep working on OSS" |
| 15:28.12 | mt | Long shot : Who wants to play around a little with coldfire asm ? :) |
| 15:28.18 | sochotnicky | kblin: from whose side? The person participating? |
| 15:29.26 | sochotnicky | just from the top of my head...if you work on OSS instead of closed source software, you can make code you created part of your resume |
| 15:30.21 | sochotnicky | I am not disilusional enough to think that employers would really appreciate it enought, but I believe there are a few who can and will. And hopefully in the future their number will get bigger |
| 15:30.24 | kblin | that's a double-edged sword, tough ;) |
| 15:30.30 | Ivanovic | HanzZ: so was your question/problem answered/solved by now? |
| 15:31.13 | sochotnicky | kblin: that's true of course |
| 15:31.49 | sochotnicky | but there are other benefits, practicing your skills in wider area than is usual in most workplaces being one |
| 15:32.02 | HanzZ | Ivanovic: I know where's the problem, but it seems developers are taking vacation |
| 15:32.04 | sochotnicky | or that you get to work with some really interesting people |
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| 15:32.10 | HanzZ | maybe not all, but 3 ot them :) |
| 15:32.18 | HanzZ | we've opened issue |
| 15:32.30 | Ivanovic | HanzZ: okay, knowing where the problem lies is already a good start |
| 15:32.32 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:32.35 | kblin | sochotnicky: I agree, of course |
| 15:32.35 | HanzZ | :) |
| 15:32.40 | HanzZ | don't click Resign |
| 15:32.58 | skbohra | HanzZ: :-o |
| 15:33.10 | skbohra | HazZ: you did? |
| 15:33.15 | HanzZ | probably |
| 15:33.20 | HanzZ | I'm not the only one :D |
| 15:33.25 | sochotnicky | kblin: and one of the most important ones: You get to create software, that can change the world not just earn money |
| 15:33.39 | skbohra | HanzZ: wow! that's kinda surprise |
| 15:33.43 | kblin | yeah, but that's not OSS-related |
| 15:34.08 | HanzZ | skbohra: why? :) |
| 15:34.19 | skbohra | kblin: why one would ever resign? |
| 15:34.26 | skbohra | oops |
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| 15:34.39 | skbohra | HanzZ^ |
| 15:34.40 | kblin | sochotnicky: I'd hold that windows changed the world |
| 15:34.54 | kblin | sochotnicky: as well as made a lot of money |
| 15:35.01 | sochotnicky | kblin: it did and in it's time it might have been good |
| 15:35.12 | skbohra | kblin: and gnu/linux made the world better :) |
| 15:35.15 | HanzZ | skbohra: my bad, I know |
| 15:35.32 | sochotnicky | kblin: ok, but it was not meant as "I want to save the world so I am gonna create program X" |
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| 15:36.24 | sochotnicky | kblin: and with private companies you never know what project you will be assigned to, or when they will fire you or reassign you or...million other things |
| 15:36.43 | kblin | sochotnicky: most OSS programs aren't meant to save the world either :) |
| 15:36.48 | sochotnicky | well anyway, I guess we all agree OSS is a good thing for all of us (in one way or the other) |
| 15:36.51 | HanzZ | skbohra: it could be too funny for you :) |
| 15:37.04 | sochotnicky | kblin: yes, but you get to chose which ones you want to help out |
| 15:37.30 | skbohra | HanzZ: it isn't, its sad, hope it would be solved soon |
| 15:37.33 | kblin | sochotnicky: only if you don't mind not being paid |
| 15:37.47 | HanzZ | skbohra: it's solved now |
| 15:37.56 | Ivanovic | wesnoth *is* meant to save the world! |
| 15:38.00 | skbohra | HanzZ: great! |
| 15:38.19 | kblin | Ivanovic: right |
| 15:38.21 | skbohra | Ivanovic: :D |
| 15:38.21 | sochotnicky | I mean Google might be a great company with some really nice programs for 3rd world countries and helping out people around world be informed (e.g. Darfur comes to mind now), but you don't get to just "join" and help out |
| 15:38.34 | HanzZ | skbohra: I just thought I'm not signed in as student... so I've clicked resign as student, because I thought it's Re-sign in as student |
| 15:38.53 | HanzZ | got it? :) |
| 15:38.54 | skbohra | HanzZ: got it now :) |
| 15:39.03 | Ivanovic | HanzZ: yeah, that s***s |
| 15:39.11 | kblin | Ivanovic: I'd believe that for projects like OpenMRS |
| 15:39.16 | sochotnicky | anyway, gotta take a shower so maybe we'll continue this discussion next time :-) |
| 15:39.30 | kblin | sochotnicky: have fun |
| 15:39.37 | HanzZ | it was my misunderstanding |
| 15:39.42 | Ivanovic | kblin: oh, wesnoth does save the world |
| 15:39.42 | skbohra | Sahana is saving lives! |
| 15:39.56 | skbohra | :) |
| 15:40.11 | Ivanovic | if eg the ones supposed to start the nukes to end the world were playing wesnoth instead (and getting addicted to it like many people do) they can not launch them at the same time |
| 15:40.33 | Ivanovic | so wesnoth can help saving the world, just make basically everyone who wants to destroy it addicted to it and everything will be fine |
| 15:41.03 | Ivanovic | (disclamer: of course i am insane/crazy/whatever! i study computer science...) |
| 15:41.04 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:41.11 | kblin | hehe |
| 15:41.21 | kblin | ok, I see where that line of reasoning is going |
| 15:42.02 | Ivanovic | kblin: if it is possible to get several kde and whatever people (as well as many students) addicted, it might also work for military folks |
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| 15:43.15 | Ivanovic | is it strange if someone you study together with comes to you and complains to you that his girlfriend is now addicted by wesnoth? |
| 15:43.40 | Ivanovic | (okay, i just told him something along the lines of "hey, why have you shown it to her? it is probably mainly your fault!" |
| 15:45.04 | kblin | Ivanovic: I just get people I meet bug me about Wine and Samba issues. your story is much better :) |
| 15:45.06 | Ivanovic | lets see when they start listing the first computer games as drugs and what will be in first, if it will be wow or wesnoth |
| 15:45.54 | kblin | Ivanovic: I'm putting my money on WoW, it's accessible to minors after all |
| 15:46.03 | Ivanovic | wesnoth is, too |
| 15:46.13 | Landon | thinks wow has a bit of an edge on the current player base |
| 15:46.15 | Ivanovic | wesnoth is even accessible without any access control |
| 15:46.31 | kblin | not legally. I don't think Wesnoth has an FSK rating |
| 15:46.43 | Ivanovic | Landon: yeah, like cigaretts do have an edge when it comes to comparission with other things that make addicted |
| 15:46.59 | Ivanovic | there is too much of a commercial market behind cigarretts to really prohibit them |
| 15:47.05 | Ivanovic | (tax income for the state) |
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| 15:47.19 | Ivanovic | the states earn a lot from wow but basically zero from wesnoth |
| 15:47.27 | Ivanovic | what will they prohibit earlier? |
| 15:47.36 | kblin | and as per the 2006 youth protection law you need an FSK rating to distribute software to minors |
| 15:47.52 | Ivanovic | kblin: distribute via *shops* as in *sell* it |
| 15:47.58 | kblin | no |
| 15:48.08 | Ivanovic | but we don't sell anything and we don't check for ages of the people downloading things either |
| 15:48.40 | Ivanovic | so there is *no* way to stop minors from getting it |
| 15:48.59 | kblin | as far as my understanding of the nitpicky legalese goes, there's no concept of making money or not in the law |
| 15:49.09 | Ivanovic | (okay, wesnoth was already on the cover disc of some magazines in germany with the law in effect, i think those discs basically had some fsk 16 rating) |
| 15:49.35 | Landon | has OATS! |
| 15:49.36 | kblin | of course, you're probably only offering informational content |
| 15:49.54 | Ivanovic | kblin: the question is what would germany do if a huge company (eg rockstar) just made their latest gta available for free download on us mirrors |
| 15:50.06 | kblin | as in "source code documentation showing how to program computer games" |
| 15:50.12 | Ivanovic | clearly they are a commercial company so someone the german state can "sue" |
| 15:50.15 | Landon | Ivanovic: honor system! |
| 15:50.22 | Landon | they've done it with 1 and 2 |
| 15:50.42 | kblin | Ivanovic: put it on the block list |
| 15:50.42 | Ivanovic | the problem is: is it really illegal what they do by making the material accessible to german minors? |
| 15:51.10 | Ivanovic | kblin: officially there is none (at least none the really blocks but only shows some stop sign and this only for child porn) |
| 15:51.22 | kblin | so far |
| 15:51.32 | kblin | give it another couple of months after the elections |
| 15:52.05 | Ivanovic | kblin: ah, there come the judges in play |
| 15:52.09 | kblin | also, you can probably put it on the child porn block list by accident |
| 15:52.14 | Ivanovic | they will probably stop lots of stuff, too |
| 15:52.28 | kblin | it's to save the children from violence, after all |
| 15:52.28 | Ivanovic | that is: so far the law is not a final law |
| 15:52.38 | Ivanovic | the president has not signed it as of yet |
| 15:53.02 | kblin | yeah, wait for after the elections and we'll talk again |
| 15:54.09 | kblin | it's illegal to download wireshark or nmap already |
| 15:54.30 | Ivanovic | ahh, there comes the funny part |
| 15:54.42 | Ivanovic | you saw the result of the lawsuit of the publisher of iX? |
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| 15:54.55 | kblin | no, is that over with already? |
| 15:54.59 | Ivanovic | he went to the police saying "i have done this bad thing, sue me" |
| 15:55.09 | Ivanovic | the judge said "forget it, no crime!" |
| 15:58.03 | Ivanovic | with other words: there is a law but as long as you (intend to) use the tools for improving security it is perfectly fine |
| 15:58.45 | phrozn | Are students welcome at the Mentor summit? I'd love to see the inside of the googleplex! |
| 15:59.06 | ajuonline | phrozn: its call "mentor" summit |
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| 15:59.10 | ajuonline | called* |
| 15:59.12 | skbohra | phrozn: :D everyone does |
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| 15:59.27 | Ivanovic | phrozn: in theory no |
| 15:59.36 | Ivanovic | that is: google will definitely not pay for your trip/stay |
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| 15:59.52 | phrozn | but if I were to get there on my own? |
| 15:59.53 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: they cover the complete expenses? |
| 16:00.06 | skbohra | phrozn: be a mentor next year :0 |
| 16:00.13 | phrozn | ajounline: i think so |
| 16:00.17 | Ivanovic | though maybe it is allowed to get in as part of the summit is you a) ask the org admin and he says "yeah, please join as 'future mentor'" and b) leslie approves |
| 16:00.19 | phrozn | skbohra: :) maybe |
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| 16:00.28 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: "complete" is a little much |
| 16:00.48 | Ivanovic | they cover the flight up to a specific value and they pay for two nights in a hotel near by |
| 16:01.33 | skbohra | Ivanovic: one mentor per org? |
| 16:01.43 | ajuonline | 2 |
| 16:01.52 | Ivanovic | (IIRC it was 700$ for the flight inside the US and 1300$ for flights from outside the us that google was willing to pay, of course you were asked to get the cheapest flight that is still reasonable) |
| 16:02.03 | Ivanovic | skbohra: last year google paid for 2 mentors |
| 16:02.09 | skbohra | ok |
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| 16:02.30 | Ivanovic | that is: there was enough space for "some more" that eg lived close by and could just come over (or that paid for their hotel/trip themselves) |
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| 16:38.28 | eliel | !timeline |
| 16:38.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
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| 18:15.19 | mariusB | hello, folks! does anybody know why do we (I) have the "Resign as student" button on our page? |
| 18:15.29 | thiago_home | never :-) |
| 18:15.34 | thiago_home | oh, why |
| 18:15.45 | thiago_home | suppose you want to resign as a student. Then you can click that button. |
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| 18:15.54 | thiago_home | :-) |
| 18:15.55 | mariusB | :)) |
| 18:15.59 | phrozn | it seems 'too' handy |
| 18:16.14 | mariusB | I thought I was the only one who had that button |
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| 18:16.24 | thiago_home | well, I don't have it |
| 18:16.27 | thiago_home | but I'm not a student |
| 18:16.31 | thiago_home | so that proves nothing :-) |
| 18:16.33 | phrozn | i didnt check |
| 18:16.38 | skbohra | mariusB we have |
| 18:16.49 | skbohra | but don't click that |
| 18:16.51 | mordante | I also don't have one, I have a resign as mentor one instead |
| 18:16.58 | schumaml | I have "resign as mentor" and "resign as admin" |
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| 18:23.09 | phrozn | is there going to be any kind of formal announcement at noon PDT about todays deadline or anything? |
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| 18:24.24 | t0ms | phrozn: there is a countdown :) |
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| 18:32.36 | ei-grad | Hi! I have a "You don't have any Roles in Google Open Source Programs." response on http://socghop.appspot.com/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2009 ... it's because "There will be an AppEngine maintenance on Tuesday the 18th of August from 4 PM UTC for about a hour. The services on this website will be unavailable for that period." ? |
| 18:34.29 | thiago_home | it's 18:34 UTC |
| 18:34.48 | thiago_home | 94 minutes past the expected service resumption |
| 18:35.10 | t0ms | If you would like to keep up with what is going on with Melange development, you can subscribe to the updates feed. |
| 18:35.25 | t0ms | blee, I hate the copy&paste settings on this computer :(, sorry |
| 18:36.00 | t0ms | http://bit.ly/gsoc2009 - is what I wanted to C&P |
| 18:36.01 | gangil | !next |
| 18:36.01 | socinfo | "next" is firm pencils down and final evaluations begin August 17 |
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| 18:48.12 | araujo | bit.ly/gsoc2009 ! |
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| 18:57.18 | araujo | bit.ly/gsoc2009 ! |
| 18:57.32 | t0ms | araujo: 3 times in last 5 msgs |
| 18:58.10 | araujo | exciting! |
| 18:58.11 | araujo | :P |
| 18:59.50 | t0ms | araujo: 10 seconds :P |
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| 18:59.57 | AirBreather | Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!! |
| 19:00.04 | AirBreather | *explodes* |
| 19:00.24 | t0ms | buuum |
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| 19:00.24 | araujo | over! |
| 19:01.22 | araujo | hugs everyone |
| 19:01.23 | araujo | :P |
| 19:01.45 | anothy_x | back at you. |
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| 19:05.48 | joeyadams | Does pencils down mandate that final code be in the project's version control system? |
| 19:07.09 | Dark_Shikari | I would hope not |
| 19:07.14 | Dark_Shikari | we have another few weeks on my students' projects |
| 19:07.47 | schumaml | depends on the definition of final |
| 19:07.55 | smtms | joeyadams, no |
| 19:08.05 | schumaml | mentors should be able to evaluate the code |
| 19:08.23 | thiago_home | no |
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| 19:08.33 | thiago_home | there's no requirement that the code be accepted or used |
| 19:08.38 | schumaml | but you are allowed - and encouraged - to continue working on the code |
| 19:08.53 | smtms | thiago_home, so now's the right time to delete all of my work? :-) |
| 19:08.59 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 19:09.02 | thiago_home | unless you agreed with your mentor as part of your plan that integrating the could was a required step |
| 19:09.03 | AirBreather | Heh... |
| 19:09.07 | thiago_home | smtms: not yet |
| 19:09.13 | thiago_home | smtms: wait until you submit it to Google |
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| 19:09.16 | thiago_home | THEN you delete it :-) |
| 19:10.22 | schumaml | you don't have to submit the exact 2009-08-17 19:99 utc code to google, btw |
| 19:10.28 | schumaml | 10:00 |
| 19:10.32 | schumaml | 19:00 |
| 19:11.29 | smtms | schumaml, you shouldn't send to Google work done after the final pencils down, because it's outside the scope of the program |
| 19:14.03 | schumaml | quote from a mentors-list mail: "It's perfectly fine to include code written post-deadline in the code sample" - authored by LH last year, confirmed by LH this year |
| 19:15.01 | Ivanovic | the submitted code sample is, from what i have understood, basically something google needs as proof that they paid for some work that was done |
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| 19:15.20 | thiago_home | yes |
| 19:15.22 | AirBreather | From what I could gather on the students list thread, the Final Evaluation is based on the deadline that just passed, but the code sample can be from later... right? |
| 19:15.23 | Ivanovic | as in that the money was not for the nephew of one of the managers to have a nice holiday trip to the bahamas |
| 19:15.29 | thiago_home | however, the mentors will judge you on your work so far |
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| 19:15.52 | Ivanovic | AirBreather: the code sample can be basically *everything* you have done over the last weeks |
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| 19:16.16 | Ivanovic | if you work on some kind of repository the easiest thing to do is create a huge patch with the revisions you commited and be done |
| 19:16.39 | Ivanovic | though the mentors will start now with their eval and do have up to one week to complete it |
| 19:16.56 | Ivanovic | and they can of course only consider what you have created over the time in their eval |
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| 19:17.31 | Ivanovic | (that is if you communicated with your mentor all the time, have done work on the project and such you should already know the result of the evals anyway) |
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| 19:18.34 | asmeurer | wow, midterm reviews are really short |
| 19:18.44 | asmeurer | I mean final reviews |
| 19:18.49 | asmeurer | compared to the midterm |
| 19:20.08 | t0ms | only 13 questions |
| 19:20.21 | asmeurer | and most are multiple choice |
| 19:23.33 | Ivanovic | that is unfair, i got 28 questions to answer! |
| 19:23.39 | Ivanovic | (project admin questions) |
| 19:24.01 | Ivanovic | one huge list with *many* questions to answer |
| 19:28.25 | skbohra | so its finally here!! |
| 19:28.47 | skbohra | let my mentor fill the survey! :) |
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| 19:52.59 | Upthorn | uck. I never know how to answer questions about the organization |
| 19:53.04 | oxcsnicho | Hi *, is there anything students need to do other than making all written code into a tar ball? |
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| 19:54.03 | oxcsnicho | Just wandered around on the website for some time and want to confirm my understanding here :) |
| 19:54.52 | Upthorn | we can't even start submitting for like another week, presumably there'll be further instruction given on the student group before then |
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| 19:55.06 | pmurias | hi |
| 19:55.28 | pmurias | how will i receive the final evaluation results? |
| 19:58.40 | kpreid | in your citi card account! |
| 19:58.47 | kpreid | (kidding) |
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| 20:05.12 | oxcsnicho | kpreid: :))) |
| 20:05.34 | oxcsnicho | BTW, i haven't activated my card.... yet |
| 20:05.47 | kpreid | what |
| 20:05.57 | kpreid | you could have had that money accumulating interest! |
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| 20:07.04 | oxcsnicho | really!... I just don't want to take care of those weird procedures... damn, I can hear citi smiling there... |
| 20:07.17 | kpreid | (I worked it out: if I extract my money into a savings account then the interest exceeds the atm fees in about five months. IIRC. it was a general approximation anyway) |
| 20:07.18 | pmurias | it's just a phone call |
| 20:07.24 | kpreid | the pin-assignment was no trouble at all iirc |
| 20:07.35 | kpreid | they're better at phone systems than web sites :-) |
| 20:08.13 | oxcsnicho | I'm even not sure if my phone can make an oversea call:( |
| 20:08.37 | oxcsnicho | I planned to take out the money at once after everything is done and no bother anymore again |
| 20:08.38 | kpreid | use skype, it's free for US toll-free calls |
| 20:08.50 | oxcsnicho | kpreid: .........forgot about that!!! |
| 20:08.53 | kpreid | careful... |
| 20:09.09 | kpreid | the ATM I have locally, for example, won't dispense more than $600/day |
| 20:09.32 | oxcsnicho | I heard a lot about that weirdness some time ago... |
| 20:09.38 | kpreid | and my bank can't do anything else with the card since the only actions you can do with it are purchases (from credit-card-accepting merchants), and ATM withdrawals |
| 20:09.52 | oxcsnicho | so I have to find an ATM that are more generous than usual ones, if it exists at all |
| 20:09.53 | kpreid | so you have to either buy stuff or get it in *cash*. |
| 20:10.10 | oxcsnicho | si... it's really weird |
| 20:10.23 | Nikerabbit | there is no "we buy your credit card empty and transfer it to you" service? |
| 20:10.33 | oxcsnicho | does it cost less to purchase than to withdraw? |
| 20:11.01 | oxcsnicho | anyone has tried? |
| 20:11.05 | schumaml | you can't even use the card to get money into e.g. a paypal account and then tranfer it whereever you want? |
| 20:11.14 | schumaml | +s |
| 20:11.31 | oxcsnicho | kind of weird... as a typical programmer, I have nothing as expensive as $4500 to buy or so.. |
| 20:11.43 | kpreid | dunno about paypal |
| 20:12.00 | kpreid | oxcsnicho: school expenses? |
| 20:12.18 | oxcsnicho | kpreid: already graduated, at this second |
| 20:12.22 | kpreid | ah |
| 20:12.33 | oxcsnicho | finished thesis defense this morning :) |
| 20:12.33 | Nikerabbit | and around here the school costs about nothing... |
| 20:13.16 | oxcsnicho | Nikerabbit: so nice... where are you from? |
| 20:13.17 | lifeeth | oxcsnicho, Buy a SLR like most folks do :) |
| 20:13.24 | Nikerabbit | Finland |
| 20:13.57 | thebolt | oxcsnicho: it isn't hard to find stuff to spend money at |
| 20:14.00 | thebolt | (even as a student) |
| 20:14.19 | thebolt | oxcsnicho: but if it troubles you alot, i can always help ;) |
| 20:14.49 | Nikerabbit | my biggest expenses after rent is food or travel |
| 20:15.03 | oxcsnicho | lifeeth: :))) good idea... I avoid dipping into photographing mainly because lacking of time, but now I have XD |
| 20:15.22 | oxcsnicho | Nikerabbit: Oh I like the bands there :))) |
| 20:15.31 | thebolt | diving, photography and travel together costs quite a bit.. |
| 20:15.45 | lifeeth | We should do a survey on how many GSoC folks buy SLR with their monies |
| 20:15.49 | thebolt | don't yet have the money to combine #1 and #2 :) |
| 20:15.53 | lifeeth | I am sure it will be a huge number |
| 20:15.55 | oxcsnicho | thebolt: agree indeed |
| 20:16.29 | oxcsnicho | lifeeth: and find out the most popular brand and try to pursuade them to be the sponser next year |
| 20:16.35 | lifeeth | :D |
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| 20:16.54 | Nikerabbit | oxcsnicho: which ones? |
| 20:18.00 | oxcsnicho | Nikerabbit: cob the first. They are coming to my country this year! so exicting |
| 20:20.03 | oxcsnicho | from China |
| 20:20.09 | Nikerabbit | :o |
| 20:20.26 | oxcsnicho | Rock!!!! to bed now |
| 20:20.31 | Nikerabbit | too bad, I have to go to sleep of my flu, since I'm traveling to Russia tomorrow |
| 20:20.36 | Nikerabbit | off |
| 20:20.45 | oxcsnicho | gnight everyone :) |
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| 21:39.58 | Eudyptula | anyone else getting 500 Server Error trying to submit final evals? |
| 21:42.27 | Eudyptula | ah. it was just angry that I skipped some answers |
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