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| 01:14.05 | r0bby | sighs |
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| 01:16.09 | Ryan52 | r0bby: disappointed that gsoc is over? :) |
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| 01:17.02 | r0bby | no |
| 01:17.08 | r0bby | personal issues |
| 01:17.25 | r0bby | i cant submit my code sample :) |
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| 01:17.30 | r0bby | tarball is 40MB |
| 01:18.51 | Ryan52 | so mail lh? |
| 01:19.28 | r0bby | finito |
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| 02:22.16 | dmitrig01|afk | google shirt is too big for me :( |
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| 02:38.22 | homunq | asked earlier: |
| 02:38.26 | homunq | how do I log into the wiki? when I click "login/create account" it pops up a dialog asking me for a password immediately, without letting me register. |
| 02:38.35 | homunq | this is http(s)://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/ of course |
| 02:38.48 | ojwb | homunq: see the mentor list for the username/password to use |
| 02:38.51 | scorche|sh | homunq: this is answered on the mentor list |
| 02:38.54 | ojwb | it was posted twice yesterday |
| 02:39.06 | homunq | gracias |
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| 03:21.44 | r0bby | scorche|sh: you know full well nobody EVER reads the list |
| 03:21.49 | r0bby | *OR* the archives |
| 03:21.57 | r0bby | dmitrig01|afk: mine is too small :S |
| 03:22.00 | scorche|sh | r0bby: you are one to talk =P |
| 03:22.14 | r0bby | I ALWAYS READ |
| 03:22.21 | r0bby | I'm perfect |
| 03:22.27 | r0bby | ask everybpdy |
| 03:23.14 | dmitrig01|afk | i thought the sizes ran on the big side, and since i'm int he middle i went up |
| 03:23.15 | Catfish_Man | gotta say, he has a point. even I never read the list |
| 03:23.21 | hypa7ia | reads the list :( |
| 03:23.24 | Catfish_Man | I just hang out here like 108% of my waking hours |
| 03:23.30 | hypa7ia | lol |
| 03:23.59 | r0bby | Catfish_Man: people also bitch (quite uselessly about citi problems |
| 03:24.30 | ojwb | i think the mentor list is generally saner than the student one... |
| 03:24.46 | ajuonline | which is mostly becus of rtfm issues ref: citi |
| 03:25.26 | scorche|sh | i am glad i never see the student list... |
| 03:26.11 | hypa7ia | too |
| 03:30.08 | ojwb | hmm, has anyone else got "Registration required" mail from Andy Tannenbaum |
| 03:30.30 | ojwb | i certainly didn't mail him, so I wonder if he's subscribed to the mentor list |
| 03:32.11 | hypa7ia | lol, does he use some whitelisting thing? |
| 03:32.41 | ojwb | yeah |
| 03:33.13 | homunq | boycotts local ATM's here in Mexico that are Citi-associated, ever since 2000 when I was mad at them about their predatory lending. Ahead of my time! A small bit glad I'm not a student and forced to use them. |
| 03:33.18 | ojwb | but it doesn't say what the mail was, so it could be spam sent in my name, which kind of defeats the whole idea |
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| 05:16.30 | kblin | morning |
| 05:18.29 | kblin | ojwb: got those mails from Andy Tannenbaum, and had a feeling that they coincided with me posting to the mentors list as well |
| 05:19.20 | kblin | but yeah, I didn't activate my address because I couldn't be sure what mail this was about |
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| 05:21.38 | ojwb | seems likely then |
| 05:22.07 | ojwb | kblin: did you hear about LCA yet? |
| 05:22.24 | kblin | yeah, all rejected |
| 05:23.18 | ojwb | oh well, bad luck |
| 05:24.33 | kblin | it seems like I'm just not interesting enough for LCA |
| 05:25.36 | kblin | I seem to be interesting enough for all the other conferences I talk at, so I can cope |
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| 05:34.18 | ojwb | it sounds like they had more applications than ever before, so I wouldn't take it too personally |
| 05:35.07 | llnz | kblin: are you going to come to LCA? |
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| 06:04.03 | kblin | llnz: nope. it's too expensive to go there just for fun. |
| 06:04.36 | kblin | ojwb: well, I bet |
| 06:05.01 | kblin | ojwb: I'd have loved to go there, and so will many others |
| 06:08.42 | llnz | kblin: pity, I'm going |
| 06:10.05 | kblin | llnz: yeah, I'd have loved to go, but I don't have the money to pay for the ticket, and I don't have time to get a job until the end of the year |
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| 06:18.24 | llnz | kblin: fair enough |
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| 06:22.39 | kblin | llnz: maybe next year, depending what my work schedule will look like |
| 06:24.36 | llnz | ok, cool |
| 06:25.04 | kblin | will you be coming to the mentor summit? |
| 06:29.02 | llnz | nope, can't get the time off work |
| 06:30.19 | kblin | aw, shame |
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| 07:00.14 | kblin | ha |
| 07:00.26 | kblin | the Wombat code just got a bit nicer |
| 07:00.27 | kblin | :) |
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| 07:42.37 | ojwb | kblin: I'm going, but then I live 20 minutes drive away |
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| 07:56.27 | kblin | :) |
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| 07:59.12 | thebolt | Morning people |
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| 08:43.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Can I include code/patches done before May in the samples tarball, i.e. patches written during or shortly after the application period. |
| 08:43.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | s/\.$/?/ |
| 08:52.04 | skbohra | no |
| 08:52.11 | skbohra | as per LH mail |
| 08:52.44 | skbohra | this submission is for legal purpose |
| 08:53.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | skbohra, thanks. So I should include code starting as of what? Community bonding or after that ends? |
| 08:53.18 | skbohra | 23 may |
| 08:53.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | skbohra, thanks. |
| 08:53.28 | skbohra | and after that |
| 08:53.31 | skbohra | till 17th |
| 08:53.36 | skbohra | august |
| 08:53.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yes, that was clear to me. |
| 08:54.17 | skbohra | this is all what I interpreted :) |
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| 08:57.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | skbohra, yeah, I couldn't find the "since" thingy. :) |
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| 09:32.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | If I have only my first given name listed in my profile, I suppose the sample archive would only contain that one, right? |
| 09:33.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or is it the Display Name? |
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| 14:18.38 | skbohra | anyone having any script to get diffs from cvs |
| 14:20.22 | ThomasWaldmann | .oO(CVS R.I.P.) |
| 14:20.31 | skbohra | :) |
| 14:20.39 | skbohra | my org use it |
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| 14:23.04 | thiago_home | time to change |
| 14:23.12 | thiago_home | I mean, 3 years ago was time to change... |
| 14:23.53 | cygal | can't you adapt the svn scripts? |
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| 14:29.20 | lut4rp | skbohra, diffs from cvs? |
| 14:29.24 | lut4rp | why do you need a script for that? |
| 14:30.20 | cygal | lut4rp: get all his commits for a given period of time |
| 14:31.00 | lut4rp | ahh |
| 14:31.18 | lut4rp | uses a script to get pretty colored diffs from cvs while patching :) |
| 14:31.42 | thiago_home | pipe through code2color -l patch |
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| 14:45.40 | kblin | skbohra: do a git-cvsimport and then grab all your patches from git :) |
| 14:46.09 | kblin | that way, you'll end up with a nice git copy of your project's repo that you can use instead of CVS as well |
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| 14:47.23 | thebolt | hehe :) |
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| 14:48.09 | thebolt | kblin: took us five days to run that (or well, svn->git) for the initial import.. might be faster to grab patches directly from cvs (or svn) ;) |
| 14:49.05 | kblin | ok, I know that cvs servers only hand out one request per second, which makes the import a tad slow |
| 14:49.14 | kblin | didn't try svn->git |
| 14:49.54 | kblin | it's probably fast if you do it locally on a fast machine |
| 14:50.38 | thebolt | we did it locally on a fast machine (3Ghz xenon with 8GB ram iirc) |
| 14:50.53 | thebolt | guess it would have been a bit faster if we could have run it ramdisk->ramdisk.. |
| 14:51.53 | thiago_home | use svn-all-fast-export to do svn->git for non-trivial repos |
| 14:52.15 | thiago_home | 900000 commits in 8 hours |
| 14:52.44 | thebolt | thiago_home: well, we didn't want to switch to git, just have a (read only) git repo syncing to the svn every N minutes (for now) |
| 14:52.53 | thiago_home | ah |
| 14:53.34 | skbohra | :) |
| 14:54.04 | thebolt | one day i hope we move to git (or another dvcs) |
| 14:54.29 | thebolt | or well, rather, if i become active again i hope that we in the future will switch ;) |
| 14:54.40 | skbohra | we had poll recently |
| 14:54.42 | thebolt | kblin: btw, did i tell you i started doing some CS coding again? ;) |
| 14:54.54 | skbohra | and seems like will go with bazaar |
| 14:55.04 | thebolt | kblin: couple of commits in the last days, more than the sum of the last 11 months ;) |
| 14:55.21 | thebolt | skbohra: do they handle the crlf issue yet? |
| 14:56.39 | skbohra | I have no clue |
| 15:00.37 | skbohra | I think I will try to get commits from cvs directly for now :) |
| 15:01.13 | kblin | skbohra: I just checked, and don't have my script around anymore, sorry |
| 15:01.20 | kblin | thebolt: yay? |
| 15:02.15 | kblin | skbohra: and apropros bazaar, is the speed ok for your use these days? when we tested for samba, it was a bit sluggish |
| 15:02.25 | thebolt | kblin: nothing to do with graphics yet, but found some threading related things i wanted to test.. and realized that I had a good test-bench around, aka CS ;) |
| 15:03.06 | kblin | hehe |
| 15:03.42 | kblin | I'm currently rewriting the wombat VCS backend to use pysvn instead of spawning the command line utility |
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| 15:04.27 | kblin | that hopefully solves some problems with command injection my GSoC student was running into, as well as solve the inherent problems python has when using popen and threads |
| 15:04.37 | thebolt | nice |
| 15:05.01 | thebolt | i've just rewritten our old single-queue based threaded background job manager to use per-thread queues and work stealing |
| 15:05.05 | kblin | and it allows me to ditch some nasty hacks working around the weird XML format svn uses |
| 15:05.24 | thebolt | benchmarking how it performs compared to the old one, both in absolute performance and in terms of scaling on number of threads used |
| 15:06.46 | thebolt | the old code scaled really badly beyond 2-3 worker threads |
| 15:06.51 | thebolt | (esp with small jobs) |
| 15:07.03 | thebolt | main queue locks were heavily contended :P |
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| 15:08.48 | thebolt | but it is always so fun to write and debug MT code.. next to impossible to test that you don't have any deadlocks etc, you just have to make sure you don't ;) |
| 15:10.04 | kblin | nods |
| 15:10.43 | kblin | I don't really like threading, just for that reason. but of course the alternatives suffer from similar problems |
| 15:11.06 | thebolt | or well, in this case there are a few other requirements as well.. such as being able to gurantee that a job finishes within.. "bounded time" ;) |
| 15:11.19 | thebolt | (ie it is allowed to reorder jobs a bit, but not indefinitely reorder them so to say ;) |
| 15:11.31 | kblin | samba is using a fancy event based main loop with async requests that are impossible to debug without heavy use of tracing |
| 15:11.38 | thebolt | heh |
| 15:11.46 | thebolt | can be better, does not have to be better |
| 15:12.11 | kblin | well, threading in C, trying to be cross-platform is a pain |
| 15:12.35 | thebolt | same with c++ (which is our platform for 99.99% of the code) |
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| 15:13.40 | thebolt | but the basic threading platform was written some years ago (by me;) and it has been pretty stable and working on all our platforms so far |
| 15:14.47 | kblin | shrugs |
| 15:15.08 | kblin | I just know that I'm barely smart enough to write code for this stuff |
| 15:15.39 | kblin | and as debugging is twice as hard as writing code, I'm pretty much stuck once I need to fix that stuff |
| 15:15.52 | thebolt | heh, yea |
| 15:16.05 | thebolt | was just going to invoke that old Kernighan quote ;) |
| 15:16.34 | kblin | it's probably one of the most important lessons about programming I have learned |
| 15:17.14 | thebolt | definitely |
| 15:17.34 | kblin | speaking of which, I recently got a nice book called "the pragmatic programmer" that's full of little gems like this |
| 15:17.44 | thebolt | ah, nice |
| 15:18.11 | kblin | some of them are obvious if you have been in the biz for a while, some were new to me |
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| 15:18.46 | kblin | e.g. as an open source coder, I was convinced that "Always use version control" was a no-brainer |
| 15:18.53 | thebolt | will see if i can find it for our library or so |
| 15:18.54 | thebolt | heh |
| 15:18.56 | thebolt | it isn't |
| 15:18.57 | kblin | but it seems that some companies still don't get it |
| 15:19.26 | kblin | because the book contains advice on how to convince your manager tht version control is a good idea |
| 15:21.29 | kblin | also I'm finally brushing up on my samba administration skills :) |
| 15:21.58 | thebolt | nice :) |
| 15:22.06 | thebolt | one day, sooner or later, i should try to _use_ CS ;) |
| 15:23.02 | kblin | :) |
| 15:23.22 | kblin | well, stuff you do to avoid sticking your nose into a book |
| 15:23.40 | kblin | and this book is pretty good as well |
| 15:25.50 | kblin | gets back to reading about DNA amplification |
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| 19:00.34 | MatthewWilkes | OT: Sorry, but this is really annoying me, does anyone know how to get to google image search from an arbitrary search with the new google design? |
| 19:02.01 | MatthewWilkes | bloody ugly, I must say |
| 19:02.38 | cygal | if I understood correctly: clicking on "Images" after the search works for me |
| 19:03.39 | MatthewWilkes | cygal: That link's not there anymore |
| 19:03.46 | MatthewWilkes | That's what I used to do too |
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| 19:04.25 | cygal | then I don't have the 'new version' :) |
| 19:04.33 | MatthewWilkes | urgh, lucky you |
| 19:05.35 | MatthewWilkes | I don't get the links across the top, and there is far too much padding to the right of the page |
| 19:07.54 | MatthewWilkes | cygal: http://twitpic.com/gln6c for how it looks to me |
| 19:09.52 | cygal | weird indeed |
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| 19:26.09 | gangil1 | is there a link which explains how to submit the code (I mean the commands n all , in my case svn)? |
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| 19:29.52 | Landon | !next |
| 19:29.53 | socinfo | "next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code |
| 19:32.58 | gangil1 | um.... So I need to submit all the svn commits(in a tarball) by my username , right? |
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