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00:35.48 | ajuonline | anyone here runnin Linux, ? |
00:37.03 | araujo | me |
00:37.04 | asmeurer | I can't imagine... |
00:37.52 | ajuonline | asmeurer: cant imagine running linux? ;) |
00:38.09 | asmeurer | can't imagine anyone here is running linux |
00:38.16 | asmeurer | </sarcasm> |
00:38.31 | ajuonline | mac, windows exist as well |
00:38.35 | ajuonline | </sarcasm> |
00:39.00 | asmeurer | Yeah, I know. I actually use a Mac. :) |
00:39.06 | araujo | me too |
00:39.34 | summatusmentis | I do, when I'm not a on a netbook |
00:39.57 | asmeurer | summatusmentis: you do run linux or Mac? |
00:40.21 | summatusmentis | asmeurer: linux on my netbook, OS X on my mac, windows and linux in VMs |
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00:40.50 | asmeurer | yeah, if I had a netbook, I would probably use linux on it |
00:40.59 | asmeurer | unless Apple comes out with some awesome netbook |
00:41.09 | summatusmentis | they won't |
00:41.21 | summatusmentis | there might be tablet, but I would seriously doubt netbook |
00:41.29 | araujo | still doesn't upgrade to snow leopard though |
00:41.36 | summatusmentis | araujo: me neither |
00:41.38 | asmeurer | has snow leopard |
00:42.17 | araujo | I am interested to take a look into the new AppleScriptObjC frame work |
00:42.36 | asmeurer | araujo: what is that? |
00:42.46 | asmeurer | is that like PyObjC for AppleScript? |
00:42.47 | araujo | seems like many inside Apple encourages to write Cocoa applications on it instead of plain ObjC |
00:42.56 | araujo | asmeurer, it is like F-Script |
00:43.01 | araujo | But using AppleScript |
00:43.16 | araujo | It is a framework that gives you access to all Cocoa through AppleScript |
00:43.34 | asmeurer | I have never heard of F-Script either |
00:43.49 | asmeurer | I would like to learn Objective C though |
00:44.14 | araujo | Well, F-Script is a Smalltalk language for Cocoa |
00:44.53 | Landon | did someone say LINUX |
00:45.10 | araujo | asmeurer, ObjC is nice, being playing with it for a while now |
00:45.26 | asmeurer | how's the learning curve? |
00:46.06 | araujo | asmeurer, well... if you know C and Smalltalk already ...... very easy to grasp at it |
00:46.19 | araujo | but, it is a very simple language |
00:46.24 | asmeurer | I don't know smalltalk. Just C and Python |
00:46.24 | araujo | in comparison with C++ for example |
00:46.29 | araujo | then you are fine |
00:46.46 | asmeurer | I think from what I saw, the objective C is easy enough, but the Cocoa can be the hard part |
00:46.58 | araujo | though C is not a requirement, it certainly helps you to grasp at it faster |
00:47.16 | araujo | asmeurer, yeah, because of the C bits |
00:47.50 | araujo | So, they have tried to introduce this higher level language to access Cocoa to make it more .. friendly |
00:48.30 | asmeurer | it's also different because it is fully object oriented too, right |
00:49.18 | araujo | I don't develop on Cocoa .... but I have looked into higher level languages alternatives a F-Script before .... |
00:49.27 | araujo | as* |
00:50.02 | araujo | asmeurer, if you look into F-Script , you will see wat I mean with 'C bits of Cocoa' |
00:50.13 | asmeurer | From what I have heard, you can write your algorithms in C |
00:50.26 | asmeurer | you just have to link the user interface in Obj C |
00:50.27 | araujo | And how Smalltalk , being a pure object oriented language, can get rid of those bits |
00:51.16 | asmeurer | though, from what I have seen, Obj C has some nice built in data types |
00:51.19 | araujo | asmeurer, well, ObjC is a strict super set of C |
00:51.38 | asmeurer | ah yes, that's right |
00:51.39 | araujo | so, you can compile any C program with a objc compiler |
00:51.50 | araujo | or at least you should be able to :P |
00:53.00 | asmeurer | especially since the objc compiler is gcc :) |
00:53.11 | araujo | :) |
00:53.36 | asmeurer | though I guess Apple is switching to some new one |
00:54.29 | araujo | they are? |
00:55.51 | asmeurer | http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/9 |
00:57.03 | araujo | oh, yeah LLVM ... apple has indeed invested on it |
00:58.17 | araujo | hah, cool logo by the way |
00:58.19 | araujo | : |
00:58.20 | araujo | :) |
00:58.23 | asmeurer | that static analyzer looks interesting |
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06:16.02 | kblin | hm, vim again seems to be too smart for me.. I wonder why it correctly highlights one bash script but fails for the other |
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06:19.59 | summatusmentis | what are the extensions? |
06:20.22 | kblin | .sh |
06:20.35 | kblin | and it highlights shell keywords correctly both times |
06:20.56 | kblin | but in one file it colors $( ) as errors, in the other it accepts it just fine |
06:21.09 | kblin | both are :set ft=sh |
06:21.12 | Landon | they're errors. |
06:21.13 | Landon | :P |
06:21.19 | Landon | the vim never lies |
06:21.21 | summatusmentis | weird |
06:21.35 | Landon | I wonder if vim has any competent django template highlighting |
06:21.35 | kblin | Landon: but they work. a bug that works is called feature |
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06:21.55 | Landon | http://carthik.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/feature-bug.jpg |
06:21.59 | summatusmentis | Landon: I bet they do |
06:22.03 | kblin | Landon: or a bug that's documented, actually, but that also applies to $( ) |
06:22.36 | summatusmentis | also, Landon, whaat're you doing up this late? |
06:22.43 | Landon | working on my blog |
06:22.46 | Landon | no class until 11 |
06:22.56 | Landon | and I really want to get this finished before the grad students pile on work again |
06:22.58 | Landon | :\ |
06:23.05 | summatusmentis | heh |
06:23.13 | Landon | actually, they've already piled on work due tomorrow |
06:23.19 | Landon | but I'd rather work on this than annotate any more |
06:23.43 | Landon | (I've been doing it the last two weeks, I think I have something like 50-60 hours clocked :\ PLUS school) |
06:23.44 | Landon | D: |
06:23.45 | summatusmentis | I bet they care more about this too >> |
06:26.04 | Landon | well bygod, would you look at that |
06:26.05 | Landon | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1487 |
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09:45.54 | LukasT | Hello |
09:46.54 | LukasT | How do you name the code samples when your name contains diacritical marks like me: Lukas or Lukáš? |
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09:53.00 | LukasT | ah, i found out to match website name |
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14:08.01 | skbohra | pokes Abhinav1 |
14:08.23 | skbohra | Abhinav1: long time no see |
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14:10.36 | Abhinav1 | skbohra: really :) |
14:10.47 | Abhinav1 | !see |
14:10.47 | socinfo | Error: "see" is not a valid command. |
14:10.57 | Abhinav1 | see! |
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14:11.06 | Abhinav1 | help! |
14:11.13 | Abhinav1 | !next |
14:11.14 | socinfo | "next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code |
14:11.15 | skbohra | :D |
14:11.22 | skbohra | how's you doing |
14:11.23 | Abhinav1 | !see Abhinav1 |
14:11.23 | socinfo | Error: "see" is not a valid command. |
14:11.31 | skbohra | stop please |
14:11.37 | Abhinav1 | just trying to upload the code |
14:11.44 | Abhinav1 | :( |
14:12.07 | skbohra | so, what's the prob? |
14:12.14 | skbohra | lost the code ;) |
14:12.24 | Abhinav1 | no |
14:12.35 | Abhinav1 | no problem :) |
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14:13.07 | skbohra | ok |
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14:13.28 | Abhinav1 | what about you skbohra? |
14:13.44 | skbohra | done, now waiting for tshirt |
14:13.55 | Abhinav1 | great |
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15:39.06 | thebolt | hi |
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18:25.49 | vjdj4 | hello guyz, I want to take diff from github.com of my work to upload. I am not a linux box. Can somebody tell me the git command for the same? |
18:27.26 | hypa7ia | vjdj4: are you on windows or mac? |
18:27.38 | vjdj4 | windows |
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18:36.06 | makmanalp | !next |
18:36.06 | socinfo | "next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code |
18:36.27 | dzhus | i want my cotton!!! |
18:36.29 | summatusmentis | ugh, I keep forgetting I need to do that |
18:37.43 | Landon | soft deadline is 13-14? |
18:37.51 | summatusmentis | yes |
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18:38.47 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: same |
18:39.22 | Landon | I don't forget |
18:39.25 | Landon | I just keep putting it off :) |
18:39.28 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/how-to-provide-google-with-sample-code is borked for me in ff 3.5.2 |
18:39.31 | Landon | until ... work lays off a bit :\ |
18:39.37 | Landon | which might not happen soon |
18:39.46 | Landon | "You did such a good job.. here's a ton more" |
18:40.00 | makmanalp | the left menu is covering the main text itself somehow |
18:40.06 | makmanalp | Landon: heh |
18:40.31 | Landon | I've been putting off homework and everything else just trying to finish my current task at work |
18:40.40 | Landon | of course I did dang good! but don't expect it a second time |
18:41.18 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: WORKSFORME 3.0.13 linux |
18:41.32 | Landon | WORKS4ME 10.0 |
18:41.34 | Landon | linux |
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18:41.41 | makmanalp | hmm |
18:41.42 | summatusmentis | Landon: get a better browser |
18:41.56 | Landon | mine is better, by 6.087 |
18:42.05 | Landon | mine is better, by 6.9.87 * |
18:42.08 | Landon | my counting skills however |
18:43.02 | makmanalp | knoqueror webkit and khtml both render it the bad way too |
18:43.09 | makmanalp | *konqueror |
18:43.23 | summatusmentis | so go yell at whoever runs googlegroups |
18:44.02 | makmanalp | rrrghhh |
18:44.12 | makmanalp | they need a bugzilla :P |
18:44.24 | summatusmentis | heh |
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18:46.31 | Landon | ssh dream.lfowles.org |
18:46.56 | Landon | you're not my shell ! |
18:47.54 | summatusmentis | password: |
18:48.14 | thebolt | Hi guys, what's up? |
18:48.30 | Landon | choe3Aecha9ohqu8suishiezuo2caekie8aluaxohv7faogh9Ga1EiLio7pe |
18:48.57 | summatusmentis | hi thebolt, nothing |
18:49.06 | summatusmentis | I'm just wasting time because I don't want to code, read, or write |
18:49.13 | summatusmentis | I need a personal assistant |
18:49.13 | Landon | do my C project |
18:49.15 | Landon | it's super easy |
18:49.20 | Landon | I just haven't had time for it yet :( |
18:49.25 | summatusmentis | I have my own C project :) |
18:49.29 | Landon | EZ! |
18:49.33 | Landon | with pointers! |
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18:49.49 | summatusmentis | my systems class has been teaching pointers recently |
18:50.11 | summatusmentis | well, teaching C recently, whereas most students prior to this have been using java |
18:50.52 | Landon | apparently I have to take as oftware engineering project in the CS department :( |
18:51.04 | Landon | it'd be all fine and dandy, but it's in C++ or even maybe C# nowadays |
18:51.06 | thebolt | heh, this semester C will be too high level for my courses |
18:51.14 | summatusmentis | we have a software design course required too |
18:51.17 | summatusmentis | but it's java |
18:51.25 | Landon | thebolt: lucky you |
18:51.31 | Landon | I'm doing C/C++/C# this semester |
18:51.36 | Landon | and a sprinkling of matlab for EM theory |
18:51.49 | thebolt | Landon: ASM and Verilog all the way |
18:51.59 | thebolt | or well, we'll use Simulink for some system-level modelling in one course as well |
18:52.02 | summatusmentis | I'm doing C/fake asm/sysadmin/java/spanish lit |
18:52.03 | Landon | oh! |
18:52.09 | Landon | I'm in a digital design class |
18:52.12 | Landon | so VHDL/Verilog |
18:52.20 | Landon | teacher doesn't care which one we choose... |
18:52.25 | thebolt | we can choose as well |
18:52.28 | Landon | since we're in the middle of transitioning to verilog |
18:52.46 | kblin | evening folks |
18:52.54 | Landon | but, my book is VHDL so I guess I'm going with that :) |
18:52.59 | summatusmentis | hi kblin |
18:53.01 | thebolt | this semester i have system design project (big full-semester project), asip/dsp design, soc design project and advanced computer architecture |
18:53.05 | thebolt | Landon: i'd recommend verilog |
18:53.09 | thebolt | esp. if you have a C background |
18:53.15 | Landon | my only problem with VHDL/Verilog is pretty much the only way I could figure out how to learn them is to look at examples :\ |
18:53.17 | summatusmentis | thebolt: you're a cs major? |
18:53.19 | thebolt | verilog is much more condensed syntax |
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18:53.27 | summatusmentis | I should've gone to a BS program instead of a BA |
18:53.27 | thebolt | summatusmentis: no, applied physics and ee |
18:53.29 | summatusmentis | h |
18:53.30 | Landon | there was no good starting tutorial |
18:53.31 | thebolt | (msc) |
18:53.37 | summatusmentis | oh* |
18:54.22 | thebolt | Landon: vol.verilog.com |
18:54.42 | summatusmentis | I wish my program would split some of these topics into more topical based courses |
18:54.51 | Landon | thebolt: oho, nifty |
18:54.52 | summatusmentis | instead of lumping them all together |
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19:23.43 | maploin | I guess the phone number would be 001 650-2530000, but what is the extension? |
19:24.57 | kblin | ask on the students list |
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20:39.41 | kblin | hm, maybe kde 4.3 is a bit less like wax |
20:40.03 | kblin | sighs and ponders a different desktop environment |
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20:40.21 | summatusmentis | do you not like it? I haven't used KDE in a quite a while |
20:40.37 | summatusmentis | I think I stopped using it at about 3.5 |
20:41.59 | kblin | well, I just switched recently |
20:42.21 | kblin | and ever since, my laptop slowed down to a crawl |
20:42.30 | summatusmentis | what were you using before? |
20:42.55 | kblin | kde 3.5.x where x is whatever kubuntu 8.04 shipped |
20:43.10 | kblin | I updated to 9.04 to get some more recent software |
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20:45.07 | summatusmentis | I see |
20:45.30 | kblin | wth? |
20:45.47 | kblin | when I switch konsole tabs, my cpu usage spikes |
20:46.03 | summatusmentis | d'you have compositing effects on ? |
20:46.11 | kblin | kde claims no |
20:46.18 | thebolt | evening kblin |
20:46.23 | kblin | I don't see any transparencies or worbbly stuff |
20:46.33 | kblin | if I wanted that, I'd have gotten a mac |
20:46.38 | AirBreather | Haha |
20:46.50 | kblin | or vista, if I wanted to stay on the same hardware |
20:46.53 | Catfish_Man | he says as he complains about what he did get ;) |
20:47.00 | summatusmentis | :) |
20:48.20 | AirBreather | I don't suppose that you would find it worth it to install gnome-terminal (with all its dependencies) and see if the same thing happens? |
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20:52.09 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I'm just saying that every form of desktop effects I've seen so far looked like somebody trying to rip off OSX |
20:52.34 | Catfish_Man | heh, yeah |
20:53.09 | kblin | I don't care for that, I prefer to run my current hardware smoothly |
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20:53.38 | Catfish_Man | a lot of this stuff actually runs faster due to being on the gpu |
20:53.59 | kblin | yeah, unless you have a crappy radeon card |
20:55.56 | z4chh | !next |
20:55.56 | socinfo | "next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code |
20:56.01 | AirBreather | I had a Radeon 9200 for my first Ubuntu box... that was so fail. I had to boot up in a tty and edit xorg.conf to explicitly declare the resolution mode every fresh install of every distribution, for whatever reason. But once I actually got into a graphical environment, compiz didn't complain. |
20:56.10 | AirBreather | Everything ran a-ok |
20:57.46 | kblin | ok, gnome-terminal works |
20:57.50 | kblin | sighs |
20:58.00 | kblin | I guess I've got to adjust to gnome then |
20:58.40 | kblin | given that kde4 also broke kontact, which was like my DE killer app, it should be less hard |
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21:16.25 | kblin | ok, wow |
21:16.39 | kblin | that was a surprisingly easy fix, once you got the idea |
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21:16.59 | kblin | and incidently it seems to have fixed my kontact issues as well |
21:17.24 | AirBreather | What was the problem? |
21:17.38 | kblin | konsole has an extra font smoothing setting |
21:17.42 | AirBreather | D'oh |
21:17.47 | kblin | yeah |
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21:18.05 | kblin | turning that off made my fonts ugly, but the system fast |
21:18.43 | kblin | then I could work around some ubuntu fontconfig bug in freetype to enable freetype font hinting, and now my fonts are readable again, and still fast |
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21:54.12 | dberkholz | mdc: thanks for figuring out all the formatting weirdness w/ pics on the bios page so i could copy it =) |
21:55.56 | kblin | hey dberkholz :) |
21:56.02 | dberkholz | hiya |
21:56.16 | dberkholz | i'm now moved to minnesota for my postdoc |
21:56.41 | kblin | oh, land of the thousand lakes... |
21:56.46 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: where? |
21:56.47 | kblin | and millions of mosquitoes |
21:57.01 | dberkholz | mayo clinic in rochester |
21:57.04 | summatusmentis | ah |
21:57.13 | summatusmentis | I go to school at morris.umn.edu |
21:59.00 | Nightrose | hey :) |
21:59.38 | summatusmentis | hi Nightrose |
21:59.40 | Nightrose | does anyone know how room sharing is managed at the summit? I have no problem sharing a room with my male co-mentor but I was wondering how it was handled in previous years |
22:01.05 | dberkholz | you can pretty much do whatever you want |
22:01.21 | scorche|sh | essentially just "find someone to room with" |
22:01.24 | dberkholz | find a roommate on your own or there was a roommates wanted page somewhere |
22:01.40 | Nightrose | alright - going for a mixed room then I guess |
22:01.41 | Nightrose | thx :) |
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22:02.06 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: are you doing a medical post-doc? |
22:02.17 | summatusmentis | or like bioinformatics stuff? |
22:02.17 | dberkholz | summatusmentis: no, there's a research arm of mayo |
22:02.26 | scorche|sh | there was this, but this was for last year... http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Room_Mates |
22:02.31 | dberkholz | i'm doing drug discovery |
22:02.36 | summatusmentis | oh interesting |
22:02.50 | summatusmentis | I assumed there was a research arm, I just didn't know what they were researching |
22:03.06 | dberkholz | all kinds of stuff, as long as you can justify why it's good for mayo's clinical care |
22:03.09 | summatusmentis | one of my roommates is from Rochester. Welcome to the state |
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22:11.52 | mdc_mobile | dberkholz: my pleasure :) |
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22:12.55 | thebolt | hey mdc_mobile |
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22:34.16 | mdc_mobile | Hi thebolt :) |
22:38.03 | thebolt | how do you do? |
22:46.19 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: I'm doing well, how about you? |
22:46.51 | thebolt | shouldn't complain, everthing as it should be (i guess) :) |
22:47.33 | thebolt | or wlel, only problem is no gsoc mentor summit for me this year :( |
22:48.31 | thebolt | (or one of few at least ;) |
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23:06.51 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: We'll miss you at the GSoC Mentor Summit, but you will be there in spirit. :) |
23:10.23 | thebolt | mdc_mobile: hehe, yea, will miss seeing you guys as well, having done so 3 consecutive years now ;) |
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