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00:35.48ajuonlineanyone here runnin Linux, ?
00:37.03araujome
00:37.04asmeurerI can't imagine...
00:37.52ajuonlineasmeurer: cant imagine running linux? ;)
00:38.09asmeurercan't imagine anyone here is running linux
00:38.16asmeurer</sarcasm>
00:38.31ajuonlinemac, windows exist as well
00:38.35ajuonline</sarcasm>
00:39.00asmeurerYeah, I know.  I actually use a Mac. :)
00:39.06araujome too
00:39.34summatusmentisI do, when I'm not a on a netbook
00:39.57asmeurersummatusmentis: you do run linux or Mac?
00:40.21summatusmentisasmeurer: linux on my netbook, OS X on my mac, windows and linux in VMs
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00:40.50asmeureryeah, if I had a netbook, I would probably use linux on it
00:40.59asmeurerunless Apple comes out with some awesome netbook
00:41.09summatusmentisthey won't
00:41.21summatusmentisthere might be tablet, but I would seriously doubt netbook
00:41.29araujostill doesn't upgrade to snow leopard though
00:41.36summatusmentisaraujo: me neither
00:41.38asmeurerhas snow leopard
00:42.17araujoI am interested to take a look into the new AppleScriptObjC frame work
00:42.36asmeureraraujo: what is that?
00:42.46asmeureris that like PyObjC for AppleScript?
00:42.47araujoseems like many inside Apple encourages to write Cocoa applications on it instead of plain ObjC
00:42.56araujoasmeurer, it is like F-Script
00:43.01araujoBut using AppleScript
00:43.16araujoIt is a framework that gives you access to all Cocoa through AppleScript
00:43.34asmeurerI have never heard of F-Script either
00:43.49asmeurerI would like to learn Objective C though
00:44.14araujoWell, F-Script is a Smalltalk language for Cocoa
00:44.53Landondid someone say LINUX
00:45.10araujoasmeurer, ObjC is nice, being playing with it for a while now
00:45.26asmeurerhow's the learning curve?
00:46.06araujoasmeurer, well... if you know C and Smalltalk already ...... very easy to grasp at it
00:46.19araujobut, it is a very simple language
00:46.24asmeurerI don't know smalltalk.  Just C and Python
00:46.24araujoin comparison with C++ for example
00:46.29araujothen you are fine
00:46.46asmeurerI think from what I saw, the objective C is easy enough, but the Cocoa can be the hard part
00:46.58araujothough C is not a requirement, it certainly helps you to grasp at it faster
00:47.16araujoasmeurer, yeah, because of the C bits
00:47.50araujoSo, they have tried to introduce this higher level language to access Cocoa to make it more .. friendly
00:48.30asmeurerit's also different because it is fully object oriented too, right
00:49.18araujoI don't develop on Cocoa .... but I have looked into higher level languages alternatives a F-Script before ....
00:49.27araujoas*
00:50.02araujoasmeurer, if you look into F-Script , you will see wat I mean with 'C bits of Cocoa'
00:50.13asmeurerFrom what I have heard, you can write your algorithms in C
00:50.26asmeureryou just have to link the user interface in Obj C
00:50.27araujoAnd how Smalltalk , being  a pure object oriented language, can get rid of those bits
00:51.16asmeurerthough, from what I have seen, Obj C has some nice built in data types
00:51.19araujoasmeurer, well, ObjC is a strict super set of C
00:51.38asmeurerah yes, that's right
00:51.39araujoso, you can compile any C program with a objc compiler
00:51.50araujoor at least you should be able to :P
00:53.00asmeurerespecially since the objc compiler is gcc :)
00:53.11araujo:)
00:53.36asmeurerthough I guess Apple is switching to some new one
00:54.29araujothey are?
00:55.51asmeurerhttp://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/9
00:57.03araujooh, yeah LLVM ... apple has indeed invested on it
00:58.17araujohah, cool logo by the way
00:58.19araujo:
00:58.20araujo:)
00:58.23asmeurerthat static analyzer looks interesting
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03:55.25skbohrasegment fault :D http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiler_complaint.png
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06:16.02kblinhm, vim again seems to be too smart for me.. I wonder why it correctly highlights one bash script but fails for the other
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06:19.59summatusmentiswhat are the extensions?
06:20.22kblin.sh
06:20.35kblinand it highlights shell keywords correctly both times
06:20.56kblinbut in one file it colors $( ) as errors, in the other it accepts it just fine
06:21.09kblinboth are :set ft=sh
06:21.12Landonthey're errors.
06:21.13Landon:P
06:21.19Landonthe vim never lies
06:21.21summatusmentisweird
06:21.35LandonI wonder if vim has any competent django template highlighting
06:21.35kblinLandon: but they work. a bug that works is called feature
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06:21.55Landonhttp://carthik.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/feature-bug.jpg
06:21.59summatusmentisLandon: I bet they do
06:22.03kblinLandon: or a bug that's documented, actually, but that also applies to $( )
06:22.36summatusmentisalso, Landon, whaat're you doing up this late?
06:22.43Landonworking on my blog
06:22.46Landonno class until 11
06:22.56Landonand I really want to get this finished before the grad students pile on work again
06:22.58Landon:\
06:23.05summatusmentisheh
06:23.13Landonactually, they've already piled on work due tomorrow
06:23.19Landonbut I'd rather work on this than annotate any more
06:23.43Landon(I've been doing it the last two weeks, I think I have something like 50-60 hours clocked :\ PLUS school)
06:23.44LandonD:
06:23.45summatusmentisI bet they care more about this too >>
06:26.04Landonwell bygod, would you look at that
06:26.05Landonhttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1487
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09:45.54LukasTHello
09:46.54LukasTHow do you name the code samples when your name contains diacritical marks like me: Lukas or Lukáš?
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09:53.00LukasTah, i found out to match website name
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14:08.01skbohrapokes Abhinav1
14:08.23skbohraAbhinav1: long time no see
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14:10.36Abhinav1skbohra: really :)
14:10.47Abhinav1!see
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14:10.57Abhinav1see!
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14:11.06Abhinav1help!
14:11.13Abhinav1!next
14:11.14socinfo"next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code
14:11.15skbohra:D
14:11.22skbohrahow's you doing
14:11.23Abhinav1!see Abhinav1
14:11.23socinfoError: "see" is not a valid command.
14:11.31skbohrastop please
14:11.37Abhinav1just trying to upload the code
14:11.44Abhinav1:(
14:12.07skbohraso, what's the prob?
14:12.14skbohralost the code  ;)
14:12.24Abhinav1no
14:12.35Abhinav1no problem :)
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14:13.28Abhinav1what about you skbohra?
14:13.44skbohradone, now waiting for tshirt
14:13.55Abhinav1great
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18:25.49vjdj4hello guyz, I want to take diff from github.com of my work to upload. I am not a linux box. Can somebody tell me the git command for the same?
18:27.26hypa7iavjdj4: are you on windows or mac?
18:27.38vjdj4windows
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18:36.06makmanalp!next
18:36.06socinfo"next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code
18:36.27dzhusi want my cotton!!!
18:36.29summatusmentisugh, I keep forgetting I need to do that
18:37.43Landonsoft deadline is 13-14?
18:37.51summatusmentisyes
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18:38.47makmanalpsummatusmentis: same
18:39.22LandonI don't forget
18:39.25LandonI just keep putting it off :)
18:39.28makmanalpsummatusmentis: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/how-to-provide-google-with-sample-code is borked for me in ff 3.5.2
18:39.31Landonuntil ... work lays off a bit :\
18:39.37Landonwhich might not happen soon
18:39.46Landon"You did such a good job.. here's a ton more"
18:40.00makmanalpthe left menu is covering the main text itself somehow
18:40.06makmanalpLandon: heh
18:40.31LandonI've been putting off homework and everything else just trying to finish my current task at work
18:40.40Landonof course I did dang good! but don't expect it a second time
18:41.18summatusmentismakmanalp: WORKSFORME 3.0.13 linux
18:41.32LandonWORKS4ME 10.0
18:41.34Landonlinux
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18:41.41makmanalphmm
18:41.42summatusmentisLandon: get a better browser
18:41.56Landonmine is better, by 6.087
18:42.05Landonmine is better, by 6.9.87 *
18:42.08Landonmy counting skills however
18:43.02makmanalpknoqueror webkit and khtml both render it the bad way too
18:43.09makmanalp*konqueror
18:43.23summatusmentisso go yell at whoever runs googlegroups
18:44.02makmanalprrrghhh
18:44.12makmanalpthey need a bugzilla :P
18:44.24summatusmentisheh
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18:46.31Landonssh dream.lfowles.org
18:46.56Landonyou're not my shell !
18:47.54summatusmentispassword:
18:48.14theboltHi guys, what's up?
18:48.30Landonchoe3Aecha9ohqu8suishiezuo2caekie8aluaxohv7faogh9Ga1EiLio7pe
18:48.57summatusmentishi thebolt, nothing
18:49.06summatusmentisI'm just wasting time because I don't want to code, read, or write
18:49.13summatusmentisI need a personal assistant
18:49.13Landondo my C project
18:49.15Landonit's super easy
18:49.20LandonI just haven't had time for it yet :(
18:49.25summatusmentisI have my own C project :)
18:49.29LandonEZ!
18:49.33Landonwith pointers!
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18:49.49summatusmentismy systems class has been teaching pointers recently
18:50.11summatusmentiswell, teaching C recently, whereas most students prior to this have been using java
18:50.52Landonapparently I have to take as oftware engineering project in the CS department :(
18:51.04Landonit'd be all fine and dandy, but it's in C++ or even maybe C# nowadays
18:51.06theboltheh, this semester C will be too high level for my courses
18:51.14summatusmentiswe have a software design course required too
18:51.17summatusmentisbut it's java
18:51.25Landonthebolt: lucky you
18:51.31LandonI'm doing C/C++/C# this semester
18:51.36Landonand a sprinkling of matlab for EM theory
18:51.49theboltLandon: ASM and Verilog all the way
18:51.59theboltor well, we'll use Simulink for some system-level modelling in one course as well
18:52.02summatusmentisI'm doing C/fake asm/sysadmin/java/spanish lit
18:52.03Landonoh!
18:52.09LandonI'm in a digital design class
18:52.12Landonso VHDL/Verilog
18:52.20Landonteacher doesn't care which one we choose...
18:52.25theboltwe can choose as well
18:52.28Landonsince we're in the middle of transitioning to verilog
18:52.46kblinevening folks
18:52.54Landonbut, my book is VHDL so I guess I'm going with that :)
18:52.59summatusmentishi kblin
18:53.01theboltthis semester i have system design project (big full-semester project), asip/dsp design, soc design project and advanced computer architecture
18:53.05theboltLandon: i'd recommend verilog
18:53.09theboltesp. if you have a C background
18:53.15Landonmy only problem with VHDL/Verilog is pretty much the only way I could figure out how to learn them is to look at examples :\
18:53.17summatusmentisthebolt: you're a cs major?
18:53.19theboltverilog is much more condensed syntax
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18:53.27summatusmentisI should've gone to a BS program instead of a BA
18:53.27theboltsummatusmentis: no, applied physics and ee
18:53.29summatusmentish
18:53.30Landonthere was no good starting tutorial
18:53.31thebolt(msc)
18:53.37summatusmentisoh*
18:54.22theboltLandon: vol.verilog.com
18:54.42summatusmentisI wish my program would split some of these topics into more topical based courses
18:54.51Landonthebolt: oho, nifty
18:54.52summatusmentisinstead of lumping them all together
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19:16.56maploinhi! I'm trying to make an online payment with the google card. Does anyone know the associated telephone number and ext number?
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19:23.43maploinI guess the phone number would be 001 650-2530000, but what is the extension?
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20:39.41kblinhm, maybe kde 4.3 is a bit less like wax
20:40.03kblinsighs and ponders a different desktop environment
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20:40.21summatusmentisdo you not like it? I haven't used KDE in a quite a while
20:40.37summatusmentisI think I stopped using it at about 3.5
20:41.59kblinwell, I just switched recently
20:42.21kblinand ever since, my laptop slowed down to a crawl
20:42.30summatusmentiswhat were you using before?
20:42.55kblinkde 3.5.x where x is whatever kubuntu 8.04 shipped
20:43.10kblinI updated to 9.04 to get some more recent software
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20:45.07summatusmentisI see
20:45.30kblinwth?
20:45.47kblinwhen I switch konsole tabs, my cpu usage spikes
20:46.03summatusmentisd'you have compositing effects on ?
20:46.11kblinkde claims no
20:46.18theboltevening kblin
20:46.23kblinI don't see any transparencies or worbbly stuff
20:46.33kblinif I wanted that, I'd have gotten a mac
20:46.38AirBreatherHaha
20:46.50kblinor vista, if I wanted to stay on the same hardware
20:46.53Catfish_Manhe says as he complains about what he did get ;)
20:47.00summatusmentis:)
20:48.20AirBreatherI don't suppose that you would find it worth it to install gnome-terminal (with all its dependencies) and see if the same thing happens?
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20:52.09kblinCatfish_Man: I'm just saying that every form of desktop effects I've seen so far looked like somebody trying to rip off OSX
20:52.34Catfish_Manheh, yeah
20:53.09kblinI don't care for that, I prefer to run my current hardware smoothly
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20:53.38Catfish_Mana lot of this stuff actually runs faster due to being on the gpu
20:53.59kblinyeah, unless you have a crappy radeon card
20:55.56z4chh!next
20:55.56socinfo"next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code
20:56.01AirBreatherI had a Radeon 9200 for my first Ubuntu box... that was so fail.  I had to boot up in a tty and edit xorg.conf to explicitly declare the resolution mode every fresh install of every distribution, for whatever reason.  But once I actually got into a graphical environment, compiz didn't complain.
20:56.10AirBreatherEverything ran a-ok
20:57.46kblinok, gnome-terminal works
20:57.50kblinsighs
20:58.00kblinI guess I've got to adjust to gnome then
20:58.40kblingiven that kde4 also broke kontact, which was like my DE killer app, it should be less hard
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21:16.25kblinok, wow
21:16.39kblinthat was a surprisingly easy fix, once you got the idea
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21:16.59kblinand incidently it seems to have fixed my kontact issues as well
21:17.24AirBreatherWhat was the problem?
21:17.38kblinkonsole has an extra font smoothing setting
21:17.42AirBreatherD'oh
21:17.47kblinyeah
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21:18.05kblinturning that off made my fonts ugly, but the system fast
21:18.43kblinthen I could work around some ubuntu fontconfig bug in freetype to enable freetype font hinting, and now my fonts are readable again, and still fast
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21:54.12dberkholzmdc: thanks for figuring out all the formatting weirdness w/ pics on the bios page so i could copy it =)
21:55.56kblinhey dberkholz :)
21:56.02dberkholzhiya
21:56.16dberkholzi'm now moved to minnesota for my postdoc
21:56.41kblinoh, land of the thousand lakes...
21:56.46summatusmentisdberkholz: where?
21:56.47kblinand millions of mosquitoes
21:57.01dberkholzmayo clinic in rochester
21:57.04summatusmentisah
21:57.13summatusmentisI go to school at morris.umn.edu
21:59.00Nightrosehey :)
21:59.38summatusmentishi Nightrose
21:59.40Nightrosedoes anyone know how room sharing is managed at the summit? I have no problem sharing a room with my male co-mentor but I was wondering how it was handled in previous years
22:01.05dberkholzyou can pretty much do whatever you want
22:01.21scorche|shessentially just "find someone to room with"
22:01.24dberkholzfind a roommate on your own or there was a roommates wanted page somewhere
22:01.40Nightrosealright - going for a mixed room then I guess
22:01.41Nightrosethx :)
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22:02.06summatusmentisdberkholz: are you doing a medical post-doc?
22:02.17summatusmentisor like bioinformatics stuff?
22:02.17dberkholzsummatusmentis: no, there's a research arm of mayo
22:02.26scorche|shthere was this, but this was for last year... http://gsoc-wiki.osuosl.org/index.php/Room_Mates
22:02.31dberkholzi'm doing drug discovery
22:02.36summatusmentisoh interesting
22:02.50summatusmentisI assumed there was a research arm, I just didn't know what they were researching
22:03.06dberkholzall kinds of stuff, as long as you can justify why it's good for mayo's clinical care
22:03.09summatusmentisone of my roommates is from Rochester. Welcome to the state
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22:11.52mdc_mobiledberkholz: my pleasure :)
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22:12.55thebolthey mdc_mobile
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22:34.16mdc_mobileHi thebolt :)
22:38.03thebolthow do you do?
22:46.19mdc_mobilethebolt: I'm doing well, how about you?
22:46.51theboltshouldn't complain, everthing as it should be (i guess) :)
22:47.33theboltor wlel, only problem is no gsoc mentor summit for me this year :(
22:48.31thebolt(or one of few at least ;)
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23:06.51mdc_mobilethebolt: We'll miss you at the GSoC Mentor Summit, but you will be there in spirit. :)
23:10.23theboltmdc_mobile: hehe, yea, will miss seeing you guys as well, having done so 3 consecutive years now ;)
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