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| 16:06.19 | Arc | can we please setup a separate summit list for just attendees? |
| 16:07.00 | Chainsaw | Arc: You mean you're also sick and tired of reading the aftermath of the hotel bed affair? |
| 16:08.44 | ojwb | it could easily have been a comment on the normal list which sparked it though |
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| 16:14.36 | Arc | i was tired of it days ago |
| 16:15.06 | russellb | easy fix, ignore it |
| 16:16.03 | Arc | we have actual summit issues to discuss and with this flame war lingering that isn't going to happen |
| 16:16.23 | thebolt | thats the good thing about not getting the mails in your mailbox but reading htem online.. read only what you like to read :P |
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| 16:25.16 | Chainsaw | I believe the thread has just been killed. |
| 16:25.26 | Chainsaw | (Or at least, forcibly put to bed by threat of moderation.) |
| 16:25.28 | Chainsaw | Thank you. |
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| 16:28.35 | MaNI2 | what thread? |
| 16:31.29 | Chainsaw | MaNI2: The hotel bed affair. |
| 16:32.45 | MaNI2 | oh, didn't see anything about a hotel bed affair |
| 16:33.01 | Arc | you're lucky |
| 16:33.46 | Arc | women are offended. the dutch are offended. people are attacking the various members projects, it's a real mess that's best left to be forgotten |
| 16:34.13 | Arc | there was even an analogy to the nazis in there - a true internet flame war |
| 16:34.36 | MaNI2 | sounds like I missed all the fun |
| 16:35.19 | Arc | just read the archives of any internet mailing list looking for the thread with a whole ton of replies in a short span of time, i promise you it's virtually identical |
| 16:36.01 | Arc | but seriously can we get a summit list setup? |
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| 16:40.02 | tierra | I don't think we really need a separate list for that |
| 16:40.59 | tierra | also, there were more than enough issues just getting the appropriate people properly subscribed to the mentors/student lists |
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| 16:45.22 | thebolt | yea, i don't see why the current ml + wiki is enough |
| 16:45.29 | thebolt | isn't* |
| 16:46.08 | koryk | shower time |
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| 17:11.57 | Arc | tierra: the issue is that there's apparently 10x more people on the gsoc list than will be attending the summit |
| 17:12.10 | Arc | including most of the people in the recent thread |
| 17:12.49 | tierra | indeed, but other than this last thread getting out of hand, it hasn't been an issue |
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| 18:07.30 | kblin | evening folks |
| 18:08.19 | MatthewWilkes | evening kblin |
| 18:09.14 | thebolt | hey kblin |
| 18:09.16 | thebolt | how're you doing? |
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| 18:18.48 | kblin | hey thebolt, doing great, just returned from a 9-day diving vacation |
| 18:19.15 | thebolt | Cool :) |
| 18:19.18 | thebolt | i wish i could do that.. |
| 18:19.39 | thebolt | (otoh, already did 12+10+8 days of diving vacations this year ;) |
| 18:20.58 | Landon | o.O |
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| 18:28.47 | thebolt | kblin: so where, and how was it? |
| 18:30.44 | kblin | Lagos, Portugal... the south end of the country |
| 18:31.02 | kblin | actually, the south-west end of europe |
| 18:31.20 | thebolt | nice |
| 18:31.52 | kblin | it was more sporty diving than the last couple of years, with waves and lots of climbing over rocks to get to the sea |
| 18:32.13 | kblin | but I've spent my last years diving from boats in the mediterranean :) |
| 18:34.42 | kblin | now I need to look into getting fedex to give me my t-shirt.. they valliantly tried to deliver it while I was on vacation |
| 18:35.12 | thebolt | hehe |
| 18:36.12 | kblin | and their toll-free number keeps redirecting me to a non-toll-free number that keeps asking me for my customer number |
| 18:36.29 | thebolt | fun |
| 18:40.23 | thebolt | so saw anything spectacular in portugal? |
| 18:41.38 | kblin | well, finding some giant spider crabs that I thought were stones was interesting :) |
| 18:42.18 | kblin | oh, and of course that dripstone cavern... |
| 18:42.25 | kblin | that was really impressive |
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| 18:50.17 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 18:57.55 | kblin | man, you go on vacation for some days and postfix chooses those days to die |
| 18:59.37 | thebolt | of course |
| 19:00.57 | Landon | wow, sucky :P |
| 19:01.00 | Landon | I've never had postfix die on me |
| 19:01.32 | thebolt | i think i've one time or another got every software i've ever uesd to die :P |
| 19:01.46 | Landon | screen likes to die when mutt is spawning vim though |
| 19:01.48 | Landon | :( |
| 19:01.59 | Landon | I've gotten irssi to segfault a couple times, but those were bad scripts I believe |
| 19:02.15 | Landon | and the django fcgi server likes to up and quit without warning |
| 19:02.17 | Landon | but that's about it |
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| 19:16.29 | kblin | Landon: fortunately most real mail servers tend to retry for two days in that case, and it seems to have died yesterday evening |
| 19:16.50 | Landon | kblin: I always wondered roughly how long they retried for |
| 19:16.50 | kblin | so most of yesterdays and todays mails are slowly trickling in now |
| 19:17.02 | kblin | welll, at least that's what google's forwarder tells me |
| 19:17.18 | Landon | I imagine if I ever go on a long vacation I should prepare some sort of watchdog |
| 19:17.26 | Landon | for my vital services |
| 19:17.36 | kblin | shrugs |
| 19:17.40 | Landon | (then of course, watch the server reboot and the watchdog fail to start :) ) |
| 19:17.58 | kblin | I'd have had no way to fix this, even if I had gotten an sms or the like |
| 19:18.21 | Landon | so it's more than a random crash that just needed a restart? |
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| 19:18.44 | kblin | no, but no computer with me -> no ssh access to the server |
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| 19:20.25 | kblin | whoa, crap, 999 new emails on the git mailing list |
| 19:20.53 | Landon | inverse beast! |
| 19:22.05 | summatusmentis | git is the anti-christ |
| 19:22.37 | summatusmentis | inverse beast proves it |
| 19:22.59 | thebolt | kblin: which is why you get someone else to watch it for you while you are gone ;) |
| 19:23.37 | Landon | summatusmentis: wouldn't git be the christ then? |
| 19:23.43 | Landon | if it's got inverse beast syndrome |
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| 19:47.17 | kblin | good grief |
| 19:47.29 | kblin | just caught up with the mentors mailing list |
| 19:48.28 | thebolt | heh |
| 19:51.12 | kblin | thread-deletes |
| 19:54.09 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: The KDE wrapup thread? ;) |
| 19:55.00 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: no, the one that erupted from my wine co-mentor stefan dösinger asking about the hotel being out of two-bed rooms |
| 19:55.33 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: was a joke |
| 19:56.45 | kblin | ah, I thought the kde wrapup was a similar thing |
| 19:57.04 | kblin | thread-deletes the sustainability thread as well |
| 19:57.37 | kblin | I'm going to fly to california for the second time in two months. screw sustainability |
| 19:57.45 | kblin | >:) |
| 19:58.08 | thiago_home | and I was being helpful in the hotel room thread, but since my reply was two replies earlier than "the message", my inbox got filled |
| 19:58.15 | thiago_home | don't people know how to reply to mailing lists only? :-) |
| 19:58.32 | Landon | hard work! |
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| 19:58.51 | Landon | :o |
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| 19:59.00 | Landon | hi lh! |
| 19:59.17 | kblin | too slow |
| 19:59.32 | Landon | thiago_home: peoples threading 'protocol' amuses me too |
| 19:59.53 | Landon | instead of replying to the most relevant level of the thread, they just reply to the most recent one :\ |
| 20:00.05 | thiago_home | loves the Ignore Thread option in KMail |
| 20:00.06 | Landon | but I guess if you don't have a decent threading email client things like that are harder to pick up on |
| 20:01.32 | kblin | yeah, but this is a list of open source mentors |
| 20:01.49 | kblin | I'd expect those folks to use something other than outlook express |
| 20:02.26 | summatusmentis | thunderbird defaults to non-threading, fwiw |
| 20:02.47 | kblin | so did kmail coming with kde 3.x |
| 20:02.50 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: hey hey! my wrapup email was all fluffy and stuff ;-) |
| 20:03.24 | kblin | kmail in kde 4 does all sorts of fancy stuff, and does work correctly |
| 20:03.34 | Landon | goes to test opera now that he has several hundred thousand less emails on his server |
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| 20:08.14 | Landon | noautomagic threading on there either by default |
| 20:08.24 | Landon | actually it's only per message it seems |
| 20:08.42 | Landon | and nothing lower than that level |
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| 20:08.42 | Landon | that's awkward |
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| 20:14.05 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: :) |
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| 20:34.22 | kblin | man, kubuntu 9.04 really screwed up my laptop... |
| 20:34.37 | kblin | it's back to 8.04 tomorrow, I guess |
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| 20:37.23 | Landon | not going to venture forth and test out 9.10 tomorrow? :P |
| 20:37.23 | kblin | hm, I might. but I bet kde4 stays broken |
| 20:37.27 | summatusmentis | I've heard decent things about newer version |
| 20:38.49 | kblin | worth a try, I guess I can always nuke it and go back to 8.04 |
| 20:39.05 | kblin | that's not perfect, but at least I know the work-arounds |
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| 20:41.44 | kblin | oh what the heck, enough digging through the email pile today. see you guys tomorrow |
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| 21:07.43 | TD | nloko: yo |
| 21:08.05 | nloko | TD, yo yo |
| 21:08.12 | TD | how's life? i just replied to your mail |
| 21:10.03 | TD | nloko: i still don't really get it :) but i'll take a look when i'm more awake |
| 21:10.26 | TD | anyway, it sounds like we're completely on the same wavelength. i'll send you a zip of my code soon. you can raid it for whatever is useufl |
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| 21:36.11 | ojwb | perhaps neither of them really get it... |
| 21:36.56 | Upthorn | Ah, that could make sense. |
| 21:39.08 | TD | heh |
| 21:39.14 | TD | yeah there's a lack of context. we took it private. |
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| 22:26.49 | j-b | hello |
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| 22:57.48 | Nightrose | hey j-b :) |
| 22:58.03 | j-b | Nightrose: hello |
| 22:58.43 | Nightrose | j-b: i was pondering doing a session on something like "problems open source music players face today" at the summit |
| 22:58.46 | j-b | I am a bit lost with the hotel thread, should we book the rooms somewhere? |
| 22:58.49 | Nightrose | would you guys be interested? |
| 22:58.54 | j-b | Nightrose: sure. |
| 22:59.33 | Nightrose | anything else music related you'd want to discuss? |
| 22:59.45 | Nightrose | isn't sure how broad to keep the session |
| 23:00.19 | j-b | Well, I would like to speak about multimedia in general, but that is too wide |
| 23:00.21 | Nightrose | (if anyone else involved in a multimedia project is interested you're welcome to chime in too of course ;-)) |
| 23:00.27 | Nightrose | yea |
| 23:00.28 | Nightrose | probably |
| 23:00.41 | j-b | so, let's focus on smaller tasks |
| 23:00.51 | j-b | or do mutliple sessions |
| 23:00.59 | Nightrose | *nod* |
| 23:01.16 | j-b | "How to make women work on open source multimedia?" :D |
| 23:01.31 | Nightrose | haha good one |
| 23:01.46 | j-b | I am not sure it is funny |
| 23:01.48 | Nightrose | i think we can have a private chat at the summit about that |
| 23:01.56 | Nightrose | not sure it's good for a session |
| 23:02.05 | j-b | Usually there is a session about how to not be jerks with women |
| 23:02.19 | Nightrose | already on the list of proposed sessions yea |
| 23:02.34 | j-b | but usually, we are like "to be jerk with women, we would have to see some women coming to our community..." |
| 23:02.45 | Nightrose | :/ |
| 23:02.48 | j-b | anyway, audio player, we are in |
| 23:02.52 | Nightrose | ok great |
| 23:03.05 | Nightrose | i'll think some more about it and see if i can chair that one with leo |
| 23:03.27 | Nightrose | wonders who else would be interested |
| 23:03.32 | Nightrose | i see xmms on the list |
| 23:03.38 | Nightrose | audacious maybe |
| 23:03.41 | j-b | Like "How to create an iTunes like" :D |
| 23:03.50 | j-b | Like "How to create an iTunes like, light" :D |
| 23:03.51 | Nightrose | eh audacity |
| 23:04.02 | j-b | songbird is around? |
| 23:04.14 | Nightrose | not on the list |
| 23:04.48 | Nightrose | ohhh rockbox! |
| 23:05.34 | Nightrose | yea those are the ones i can see now after a quick scan |
| 23:05.37 | j-b | Nightrose: were you the one writting Social Media Guide for Open source? |
| 23:05.42 | Nightrose | yes |
| 23:05.48 | j-b | nice one. |
| 23:05.51 | j-b | I liked it |
| 23:05.52 | Nightrose | thanks :) |
| 23:06.03 | j-b | Qt people recommanded it to me. |
| 23:06.09 | Nightrose | hah sweet |
| 23:06.13 | Nightrose | Alexandra? |
| 23:06.26 | j-b | yes :D |
| 23:06.35 | Nightrose | :D she's a good friend of mine |
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| 23:06.49 | Nightrose | the world is soooo small |
| 23:07.09 | j-b | :) |
| 23:08.07 | Nightrose | ok i'll add a session to the list in the next days for audio player problems |
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| 23:15.44 | j-b | anyone understanding the W8BEN form? |
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| 23:54.36 | MatthewWilkes | evening all |
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