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| 07:49.45 | Nightrose | scorche: heh sorry - went to bed |
| 07:51.29 | Nightrose | scorche: you are going to the mentor summit for rockbox right? i proposed a session on problems audio players face today and was wondering if you guys were interested in attending |
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| 08:09.19 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 08:17.06 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 08:17.50 | thebolt | hi kblin , how're you doing? |
| 08:18.54 | kblin | trying to work up the motivation to stick my nose into a book again |
| 08:19.02 | thebolt | hehe |
| 08:19.32 | thebolt | i need to study today as well.. didn't get anything done there yesterday |
| 08:19.38 | kblin | same here |
| 08:20.43 | thebolt | otoh, got confirmed what I already knew.. I'm a pretty good programmer ;) We had university/swedish/nordic championship in programming yesterday (3 man teams).. and also qualifications for ICPC. Placed first our uni and 4 in Sweden so now we get to go to Nurnberg in november for next round :) |
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| 08:34.06 | kblin | nice :) |
| 08:41.20 | thebolt | yep |
| 08:41.30 | thebolt | but we have next to no chance to go on to the world finals.. |
| 08:42.06 | thebolt | but it felt nice that a team of three applied physics/EE students won over many comp.eng. and comp.sci. teams ;) |
| 08:43.31 | kblin | that's because at least in comp.sci., you don't really learn anything about programming |
| 08:44.36 | thebolt | well, the competition isn't really programming either ;) |
| 08:44.40 | thebolt | its algorithm selection :P |
| 08:45.12 | thebolt | it is supposed to be so that a poor implementation of "right" algorithm (or at least algorithm with right time complexity) works |
| 08:45.20 | thebolt | but a good implementation of "wrong" algorithm fails |
| 08:45.38 | kblin | ah, ok |
| 08:45.55 | kblin | that should be what comp.sci students learn, though :) |
| 08:45.57 | thebolt | there is a time limit (runtime) and memory limit for each run.. |
| 08:46.13 | thebolt | we did however manage to get one question by having a good implementation |
| 08:46.52 | thebolt | did a pretty brute force implementation of it that is O(v^2*t) (v < 1000, t < 2500) which shouldn't work due to time limit |
| 08:47.19 | thebolt | however, the judges test-implementation had taken 15 seconds to run, they put the time limit at 10.. our ran at 9.2 (without really making any major optimizations) :P |
| 08:47.31 | thebolt | so they passed it :) |
| 08:47.32 | kblin | unless of course your O(n) is really good for n -> infinity, but those pesky constants keep killing you in real life |
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| 08:47.48 | thebolt | yea |
| 08:48.17 | thebolt | (that one didn't really have any good algorithm that was better.. just a lot of heuristics you could apply to optimize it) |
| 08:48.38 | kblin | I've never gotten around to try my skills at a programming contest. probably not my kind of programming anyway |
| 08:48.44 | thebolt | not mine either |
| 08:48.51 | kblin | I like to solve real problems instead of made-up ones |
| 08:49.00 | thebolt | i'm a low level optimizer ;) |
| 08:49.11 | thebolt | so now i need to study more graph algorithms and dynamic programming ;) |
| 08:49.20 | thebolt | (the two major types of problems given) |
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| 08:49.45 | kblin | really? |
| 08:49.48 | kblin | durn |
| 08:50.14 | kblin | sounds like the kind of algorithmic problems where computational biologists should kick ass :) |
| 08:50.22 | thebolt | yep |
| 08:50.41 | thebolt | one of the programs was to develop a program to schedule allergy tests :P |
| 08:51.12 | thebolt | http://ncpc.idi.ntnu.no/ncpc2009/ncpc2009problems.pdf the problems |
| 08:51.25 | kblin | though of course in real life, you sneeze at "correct" solutions and go for a heuristic that gets 90% of the problem in 0.1% of the time or something like that |
| 08:51.47 | kblin | and then you get to publish a dozen of papers speculating how to get the last 10% |
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| 08:52.12 | thebolt | haha, yes :) |
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| 14:20.37 | omniter | hai guys |
| 14:22.20 | omniter | i still haven't gotten my tshirt / certificate. am i the only one, or are they still being mailed? |
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| 14:35.46 | Ivanovic | omniter: the students will get their shirt/certificate eventually |
| 14:35.57 | Ivanovic | you will get a fedex shipment note first |
| 14:37.09 | kblin | hey Ivanovic |
| 14:37.36 | kblin | is currently digging through cross-compiler docs to finally fix his sheevaplug kernel |
| 14:38.04 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 14:38.25 | kblin | I've got a fair amount of computing power sitting on my shelf right now |
| 14:38.45 | kblin | two beagles, a sheevaplug and a gigE switch :) |
| 14:39.46 | Ivanovic | uhm, rough guess: my desktop comp alone still has more comp power |
| 14:39.48 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:40.10 | Ivanovic | (okay, currently busy with 7 avidemux processes reencoding videos) |
| 14:40.26 | kblin | well, sure |
| 14:42.06 | kblin | but initial performance testing with my beagle has shown that the beagle will do 20%-50% of the Active Directory operations a DC needs to do in about 4% of the power my regular pc uses |
| 14:42.32 | kblin | so if you don't need raw number crunching power, I'd venture it's a fair deal :) |
| 14:42.49 | Ivanovic | yeah, power usage is *a lot* better |
| 14:43.33 | thebolt | hi Ivanovic , kblin |
| 14:44.21 | thebolt | kblin: give me a couple of grand budget and half a year (or two) and you could get a device to do it 10x as fast as your PC at lower power consumption ,) |
| 14:45.32 | kblin | but I want toys now |
| 14:45.44 | thebolt | but it would probably not be an economical thing anyhow |
| 14:45.58 | thebolt | would need to run alot of them for long time to save the power ot cover development costs |
| 14:46.22 | thebolt | i think the market for dedicated AD ASICs is pretty small ;) |
| 14:47.19 | kblin | hehe |
| 14:48.22 | kblin | I'm pretty sure that with a couple of hardware/software kinks ironed out, a beagle or a sheeva would be perfect for branch office setups |
| 14:49.55 | thebolt | yea |
| 14:50.13 | kblin | I'm currently working on setting up the sheeva as a file server (it has on-board gigE and a more stable usb setup) |
| 14:50.42 | kblin | the only thing stopping this is the lack of modules for the kernel that comes pre-installed |
| 14:52.20 | kblin | so the kernel thinks (and reports) that it can do IPv6, but lacks the ipv6.ko, which makes networking apps unhappy |
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| 14:52.32 | kblin | and a couple of other issues related to not actually having around the module files the kernel thinks it should have |
| 14:53.27 | kblin | the beagles currently suffer in their usefulness by having a rather unstable usb support |
| 14:54.03 | kblin | the usb otg port has driver issues, it seems, and the ehci chip on my revC board has a hardware issue |
| 14:54.30 | kblin | there supposedly is a software workaround, but I couldn't confirm that yet |
| 14:54.53 | thebolt | thats just bad.. |
| 14:55.29 | thebolt | a supposidly working product being to usable due to bugs |
| 14:56.04 | thebolt | unusable* |
| 14:56.04 | thebolt | -tpo |
| 14:56.06 | thebolt | -p |
| 14:56.08 | thebolt | bah.. |
| 14:56.09 | thebolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.29 | kblin | well, it's development boards :) |
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| 15:00.38 | thebolt | yea, but broken development boards pretty much prohibit development ;) |
| 15:01.06 | kblin | true |
| 15:01.19 | kblin | hmm, I need to rewire my home network a bit... |
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| 15:12.43 | thebolt | heh, mine is so simple you cannot rewire it ;) |
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| 15:18.33 | kblin | well, I've got 5 ports on my gigE switch, 5x 100 Mb/s ports on my AP and the gigE switch is new |
| 15:19.18 | kblin | and I've got six systems connected via cable |
| 15:19.30 | thebolt | ah.. i have 4 gigE ports on my router/switch/ap combo (and 1 gigE WAN port on it).. one port connected to my NAS, one to my "stationary laptop".. thats it |
| 15:20.05 | kblin | yeah, if my AP would do gigE, I wouldn't have had to rewire |
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| 15:20.54 | kblin | but I had my PCs, both with gigE on the AP so far, and the beagles, both with 100Mb/s USB NICs on the new switch |
| 15:21.13 | kblin | so in order to make use of the gigE fileserver, I had to rework the setup |
| 15:22.54 | thebolt | when i got the gigE/AP/router i benchmarked it.. i was surprised by the LAN->WAN throughput of the thing.. got ~400Mbit/s meassured, and that is with firewalling (stateful), NAT, etc from a thing that costs $100 or so |
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| 15:27.23 | kblin | not bad |
| 15:27.28 | kblin | what hardware is that? |
| 15:27.58 | thebolt | a dlink dir-655 |
| 15:30.22 | kblin | does it support jumbo frames? :) |
| 15:31.56 | kblin | looks up the specs |
| 15:33.00 | kblin | not bad |
| 15:33.20 | kblin | I'd miss the usb port for my printer, I guess |
| 15:33.28 | thebolt | actually, you can do that ;) |
| 15:33.33 | kblin | oh? |
| 15:33.37 | thebolt | but only one pc at a time via their "usb sharing" driver |
| 15:33.51 | thebolt | ie it doesn't act print server but rather a "usb over ethernet" forwarder |
| 15:34.17 | kblin | ah |
| 15:34.19 | thebolt | works well enough for me with 1 printer and 1 pc i print from |
| 15:34.20 | thebolt | ;) |
| 15:34.27 | thebolt | just gives nicer routing of cables |
| 15:34.36 | kblin | fair enough, I guess |
| 15:34.56 | kblin | I print from two pcs and a laptop, my gf prints from a laptop as well |
| 15:35.42 | kblin | though of course if the beagles' usb ports unflaked, I'd have a hubful usb ports to spare :) |
| 15:36.33 | thebolt | :) |
| 15:36.39 | kblin | then again, my current setup works fine, I don't have 802.11n hardware, and I don't have the money to upgrade anything |
| 15:37.07 | kblin | hm, nice, it seems like MS really fixed downloading from MSDN with non-IE browsers |
| 15:37.30 | kblin | getting IE to work in wine was such a pain :) |
| 15:37.39 | thebolt | :) |
| 15:37.51 | thebolt | i've actually had to buy 2 DIR-655s.. |
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| 15:37.58 | thebolt | got one for myself when i lived in my last apartment |
| 15:38.13 | thebolt | put it at my parents place when i went to taiwan to replace an old pc running linux for internet sharing in the network |
| 15:38.25 | thebolt | (a bit more stable w.r.t. power outs etc, no fscks etc hanging) |
| 15:38.32 | thebolt | it worked so well that well.. they kept it :P |
| 15:38.38 | thebolt | so i had to get another one for my new apartment |
| 15:39.24 | kblin | probably more power efficient as well |
| 15:39.53 | kblin | but you probably can't log into it remotely |
| 15:40.42 | thebolt | you can, given it is alive enough to answer on the wan interface |
| 15:40.49 | thebolt | but thats true for putting a pc there as well ;) |
| 15:41.15 | kblin | nice |
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| 15:41.53 | thebolt | then if you want to enable remote login is another thing |
| 15:42.18 | thebolt | at least it is easier to direct someone over phone from across the world on how to setup a new one, upload the config file and reboot it than do something similar for a linux pc ;) |
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| 15:44.13 | kblin | true |
| 15:44.31 | kblin | though my beagle boots off an SD card |
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| 15:44.53 | kblin | so you can have a replacement system lying around for a couple of bucks |
| 15:48.32 | thebolt | true |
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| 21:19.54 | kblin | Ivanovic: maybe I can't recommend the sheevaplug after all |
| 21:21.04 | ajuonline | kblin: did you just respnd to a message sent yesterday ;) ? |
| 21:22.16 | kblin | nope |
| 21:22.26 | kblin | earlier today, actually |
| 21:32.01 | Ivanovic | kblin: oh |
| 21:32.04 | Ivanovic | what happened now? |
| 21:32.06 | r0bby | throws stuff |
| 21:33.44 | Ivanovic | kblin: was it not this easily possible to replace the kernel/distri? |
| 21:34.28 | kblin | It just stopped working |
| 21:35.16 | Ivanovic | outsch |
| 21:35.19 | Ivanovic | that is not good at all |
| 21:35.42 | kblin | as in I seemed to have broken the kernel, and resetted it to get the back to the serial console, and instead of starting, all the blinkenlights went out |
| 21:36.01 | Ivanovic | outsch |
| 21:36.26 | kblin | I have no idea what happened, but it's certainly not the cable not delivering power |
| 21:36.45 | Ivanovic | outsch outsch |
| 21:37.42 | kblin | it was a bit warm after compiling a kernel on it, but heck, if they can't bleed off the heat the chips produce under load, they need to fix their design or scale down the cpu |
| 21:38.02 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 21:39.34 | kblin | luckily it did fail within warrnty time |
| 21:40.11 | Ivanovic | sending it in is still expensive |
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| 21:43.56 | kblin | let's see what the RMA procedure is |
| 21:44.40 | Ivanovic | i fear it might be something like "yeah, send it to us and we will handle it..." |
| 21:45.09 | kblin | shrugs |
| 21:45.46 | kblin | we'll see |
| 21:51.13 | thebolt | evening people |
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| 21:54.33 | kblin | whee |
| 21:54.54 | kblin | fedex wants 90 eur for shipping to the states |
| 21:55.15 | kblin | I'm probably cheaper if I take it to the mentor summit and ship it from there :) |
| 21:55.44 | thebolt | hehe, most probably yes |
| 21:55.49 | thebolt | cannot really be mor eexpensive ;=) |
| 21:56.00 | ojwb | wow, did it even cost 90 euros? |
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| 21:57.35 | kblin | ojwb: nope |
| 21:57.49 | kblin | ojwb: 99 USD, which is around 70 EUR right now |
| 21:57.49 | Ivanovic | ojwb: including shipping to germany it would be 100⬠(though customs might add some lovely 19%) |
| 21:58.16 | kblin | well, dhl is much cheaper |
| 22:01.12 | Ivanovic | that is not difficult |
| 22:01.19 | Ivanovic | not difficult at all i'd say |
| 22:02.36 | kblin | well, let's see what they're saying |
| 22:03.08 | kblin | tough luck for them, though.. they only give a month of warranty, and their hardware fails after three weeks |
| 22:04.13 | scorche | Nightrose: sounds interesting!...i would certainly be interested in attending |
| 22:04.24 | thebolt | haha |
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| 22:20.15 | j-b | hello |
| 22:21.59 | kblin | anyway, bedtime |
| 22:22.25 | ajuonline | nature is mad |
| 22:23.04 | ajuonline | earthquake, typhoon, floods.. hmmph |
| 22:23.29 | smtms | ajuonline, that's because of you and your involvement with Sahana |
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| 22:25.08 | ajuonline | smtms: :D i like u when u dont talk |
| 22:26.01 | ajuonline | hugs smtms , anyways :P |
| 22:26.22 | thebolt | sleep well kblin |
| 22:29.02 | ajuonline | smtms: agencies are working on it, and using/planning to use Sahana at each incidents |
| 22:29.11 | ajuonline | but who wants such incidents to happen at all |
| 22:29.58 | smtms | ajuonline, Sahana devs |
| 22:31.17 | ajuonline | you dont know what you are talking about :-/ |
| 22:31.48 | summatusmentis | I assume smtms is kidding |
| 22:32.19 | ajuonline | i hope so, |
| 22:32.23 | summatusmentis | in the same way that Doctors want people to get sick so that they can have jobs, Sahana Devs want earthquakes to happen so that their service gets used |
| 22:32.39 | ajuonline | but as a Sahana dev, i dont want people to die |
| 22:32.46 | ajuonline | just check the news on these incidents |
| 22:32.58 | summatusmentis | no one actually wants people to get sick, or for earthquakes to happen |
| 22:33.39 | ajuonline | doctors get paid? i dont |
| 22:34.15 | summatusmentis | true |
| 22:34.30 | summatusmentis | but I can guarantee you, if you talk to most doctors, they don't want people to get sick either |
| 22:35.07 | ajuonline | yeah, thats nothing to argue about :) |
| 22:35.37 | summatusmentis | :-P |
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| 22:57.16 | jasebo|away | ajuonline, is anyone using sahana in Samoa or Sumatra? |
| 23:00.38 | ajuonline | jasebo|away: Philippines, yes. |
| 23:00.51 | ajuonline | i have to check up on that, people are in touch though |
| 23:00.58 | jasebo|away | that's great! |
| 23:01.40 | ajuonline | jasebo: http://twitter.com/ajuonline/status/4613925653 |
| 23:02.39 | jasebo | have you got someone at Sahana doing publicity on it? |
| 23:03.01 | ajuonline | nope - started off as a volunteer effort |
| 23:03.07 | ajuonline | by local agencies/ngo |
| 23:03.16 | ajuonline | then IBM came in to support |
| 23:03.40 | ajuonline | (i think) |
| 23:03.58 | ajuonline | they reached out to us on the lists, and developers are in touch with them, supporting |
| 23:04.21 | ajuonline | the guys are using twitter extensively |
| 23:04.28 | jasebo | make sure someone writes a media-release before Phillipines fades as a news story |
| 23:04.33 | ajuonline | #Sahana |
| 23:04.41 | ajuonline | yeah we are doing that, |
| 23:04.48 | ajuonline | tracking and keeping notes |
| 23:05.04 | jasebo | :-) It's a bit awful, but you need to strike while there is active media interest, and they lose interest in these things really quickly |
| 23:05.42 | ajuonline | jasebo: we just started a New Zealand Sahana cluster, reaching out to Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific. |
| 23:06.02 | ajuonline | some active bunch of peeps there |
| 23:06.39 | ajuonline | jasebo: https://launchpad.net/~sahana-nz |
| 23:08.48 | ajuonline | jasebo: just now someone from Indonesia got in touch, they are working on an install - collecting data for now |
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| 23:10.04 | jasebo | brilliant :-) |
| 23:10.56 | ajuonline | jasebo: you are going to the mentor summit - right? |
| 23:11.08 | jasebo | yep |
| 23:11.27 | ajuonline | Gavin Treadgold, from NZ, one of Sahana guys will be there |
| 23:11.38 | ajuonline | i think* |
| 23:11.54 | jasebo | cool, I'm interested in Sahana! |
| 23:12.02 | jasebo | gotta go, have a meeting just starting |
| 23:12.08 | ajuonline | me sleep :) |
| 23:12.09 | ajuonline | laterz |
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