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| 05:15.19 | kblin | grumbles |
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| 06:06.44 | lut4rp | zomg. I have Windows 3.11 floppies in my hand. Nostalgia! |
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| 06:20.44 | kblin | hehe |
| 06:21.00 | kblin | do they still work? |
| 06:21.55 | kblin | when I was moving two years ago, I picked a random sample of my old floppies, and none of them could be read in the drives I tried |
| 06:21.59 | kblin | so I ditched all of them |
| 06:22.00 | thebolt | have a win1.0 and win0.9 floppy images.. |
| 06:22.40 | scorche | kblin: eek...i shoudl do that...i have been meaning to set up my old Apple IIgs again, and i will be quite sad if none of the floppies are good anymore |
| 06:27.01 | MaNI | I would be surprised if they are good |
| 06:27.10 | MaNI | floppies don't have a very good shelf life |
| 06:27.37 | kblin | interestingly, I found 5.25" ones that still worked |
| 06:27.44 | kblin | but the 3.5" ones all were busted |
| 06:27.57 | MaNI | strange, I though 5.25" was even worse |
| 06:28.08 | MaNI | *thought |
| 06:28.14 | kblin | shrugs |
| 06:28.28 | kblin | I don't really miss anything |
| 06:29.15 | kblin | that said, none of the 7 computers in this household has a floppy drive, I don't care |
| 06:30.09 | lut4rp | they did work :D |
| 06:30.15 | lut4rp | dosbox ftw! |
| 06:30.45 | kblin | :) |
| 06:31.00 | kblin | so you're running win3.11 in dosbox? |
| 06:31.02 | lut4rp | Will the universe end if I try and install IE1 or Mosaic or something on this? |
| 06:31.08 | lut4rp | kblin, yes |
| 06:31.20 | lut4rp | installed in 30 seconds. Boots in 1 second. |
| 06:31.25 | kblin | hehe |
| 06:31.45 | scorche | lut4rp: sheesh! |
| 06:31.47 | kblin | you could run windows dosbox in wine ;) |
| 06:31.53 | lut4rp | its taking up 13MB of my precious hard disk! |
| 06:32.05 | scorche | how we have changed... |
| 06:32.08 | lut4rp | recalls his first HDD was 20MB |
| 06:32.23 | lut4rp | that must be around 93 or 94 |
| 06:33.10 | lut4rp | my dad used to tell me how I should type in C:\PRINCE\PRINCE.EXE to play the game :) |
| 06:33.20 | kblin | hehe |
| 06:33.36 | kblin | you were allowed to play prince of persia in 93? :) |
| 06:33.56 | lut4rp | yes :) |
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| 06:34.08 | lut4rp | I was uhm, 6 years old |
| 06:34.24 | MaNI | that was a good game |
| 06:34.30 | MaNI | not like the modern reincarnation :( |
| 06:34.36 | lut4rp | very true, MaNI |
| 06:34.52 | lut4rp | you can still get it from many archive sites and play it in Dosbox :) |
| 06:35.03 | lut4rp | I think its 1 MB or something |
| 06:35.26 | lut4rp | I got prince, prince2, doom, wolf3d and the likes |
| 06:36.07 | thebolt | :) |
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| 06:39.00 | kblin | it was a fun game, but I'm sure I wasn't allowed to play it until I was a bit older |
| 06:39.28 | kblin | wolf3d was.. bad. it was fun only because the game is illegal in germany |
| 06:40.27 | kblin | but to be completely honest, if you get back to some of the old games, you realize now that you're used to modern games, they're less fun |
| 06:40.32 | kblin | dune2, for example |
| 06:41.02 | kblin | the maps are super-tiny and not being able to group units sucks |
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| 06:49.26 | scorche | games these days certainly seem easier than back then |
| 06:50.01 | scorche | especially if you look at games like contra |
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| 06:53.13 | MaNI | yeah, thats what I don't like, using prince as an example the modern one is all about running along walls and doing backflips while fighting and is all pretty predictable |
| 06:53.33 | MaNI | nothing hard to solve |
| 06:53.58 | MaNI | the old one had some pretty challenging parts to get through |
| 06:54.26 | scorche | though many modern games do have a much greater potential for in-depth challenges...like world of goo, etc |
| 06:55.22 | lut4rp | worldofgoo++ |
| 06:55.42 | kblin | dunno.. for some kinds of game, maybe |
| 06:55.55 | kblin | if I compare doom with doom3, doom was certainly easier |
| 06:56.56 | MaNI | well fps is different |
| 06:56.58 | kblin | at least I didn't run out of ammo in my first enemy encounter in doom |
| 06:57.02 | MaNI | and rts has definitely progressed |
| 06:57.30 | MaNI | its the "platformer/adventure" type games that seem to have gone backwards |
| 06:58.22 | kblin | you mean in the latest C&C, my harvester doesn't think the shortest way from the tiberium field next to my base to my refinery goes through the enemy base on the other end of the map? |
| 06:59.01 | scorche | but that *is* the shortest route |
| 06:59.01 | MaNI | don't know i've never been a huge C&C fan :) |
| 07:00.21 | kblin | me neither, actually |
| 07:00.58 | kblin | in C&C 1, it was all engineer rush, in most others it's tank rush instead |
| 07:03.23 | kblin | blizzard games had more tactical depth |
| 07:03.31 | kblin | unless you're zerg |
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| 10:29.33 | kblin | ahrg, I hate if people close bugs as dups just because they look slighly similar |
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| 10:35.50 | kblin | man, can we rename gsoc-mentors to gsoc-flamewar? |
| 10:38.18 | thebolt | hm? |
| 10:38.19 | smtms | what's going on over there? |
| 10:40.01 | Nightrose | kblin: +1 one on that... |
| 10:40.39 | kblin | someone was asking what google wave was all about, so someone else replied with a lmgtfy link, and someone else went to complain about that, so danderson got annoyed about people complaining about the color of their free pony, then someone sent a message about the pony being only free as in beer and google being a non-free company in general.. |
| 10:41.11 | kblin | I feel with the first poster, because before people started asking about invites here, I had no clue about it either |
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| 10:43.40 | kblin | perhaps they should start doing their flamewars on google wave. it's real-time, making them much more effective |
| 10:57.12 | jasebo|away | kblin: +1 |
| 10:59.38 | Upthorn | so the mentors have been whining for wave invites as well? |
| 10:59.51 | Upthorn | there was a thread on the student list as well |
| 11:00.20 | Upthorn | which eventually devolved into "I'd like an invite!" "Give me one, too!" "Yeah, send me one of your invites!" |
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| 11:00.31 | Upthorn | when nobody had ever said they had any! |
| 11:01.08 | Upthorn | and all the official google response was like "uh... I don't think we can just make this happen for you. Try using the request form on the wave site." |
| 11:01.56 | kblin | Upthorn: no, the mentors were not talking about wave invites at all |
| 11:02.11 | kblin | but now we got the same offer as the students |
| 11:02.18 | Upthorn | oh |
| 11:02.25 | Upthorn | I just now saw that offer |
| 11:02.28 | Upthorn | goes to sign up |
| 11:03.58 | Upthorn | has been filtering the entire student list past the inbox since a couple of days after being signed up |
| 11:05.04 | kblin | I get a daily digest |
| 11:05.04 | kblin | sometimes I read it |
| 11:05.07 | kblin | sometimes I then read a thread the digest got me interested in |
| 11:05.31 | kblin | but yeah, traffic in the beginning of the program is pretty low on signal/noise |
| 11:06.04 | thebolt | i just read the lists archive online |
| 11:06.15 | jasebo | did the student get an offer of invites too? |
| 11:06.26 | kblin | yeah |
| 11:06.29 | MaNI2 | I don't get what the big hype is about really, not sure I even want an invite |
| 11:06.30 | jasebo | nice |
| 11:06.54 | kblin | MaNI2: I don't get the hype either |
| 11:07.14 | jasebo | it's hypey because it's limited |
| 11:07.26 | jasebo | i'm interested in seeing what the fuss is about |
| 11:07.29 | kblin | but it might integrate well into the media management webapp I need to develop |
| 11:07.43 | jasebo | I lerv playing with new toys |
| 11:07.55 | MaNI2 | are peoples minds that simple? that all you have to do to make them want to kill to use your product is make it 'limited'? |
| 11:08.01 | kblin | if the APIs are sane and abstracted enough so I can use them without having to learn the google web toolkit |
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| 11:08.34 | Upthorn | MaNI2: no. I think most of us who are excited have actually watched the long video and been impressed with the concept |
| 11:08.35 | jasebo | it's limited so they can test it out with a semblence of a controlled environment |
| 11:08.52 | jasebo | but I think that may have got everyone else a bit overxcited |
| 11:08.54 | Upthorn | but maybe I'm just being optimistic by assuming people are mostly at least as reasonable as I am |
| 11:09.05 | MaNI2 | heh |
| 11:09.30 | kblin | Upthorn: I've watched the video, it was interesting, but some things aren't as cool if you dig a bit |
| 11:09.51 | kblin | e.g. the console client only works against a specific server build |
| 11:10.02 | kblin | and it's all done in java |
| 11:10.11 | Upthorn | the console client? |
| 11:10.24 | Upthorn | or the whole of wave? |
| 11:10.49 | kblin | the stuff they demoed was in gwt, which is java as far as I understood |
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| 11:11.08 | kblin | with some magic to generate the UI in html, javascript and css from that |
| 11:11.14 | Upthorn | my understanding was that it was developed in java and there was a toolkit which allowed that to be ported to javascript and css |
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| 11:11.27 | Upthorn | so that the browser isn't loading any java classes to run it |
| 11:11.35 | kblin | the federation demo server is in java and requires a compatible jabber server |
| 11:11.58 | Upthorn | that doesn't surprise me, though |
| 11:12.02 | kblin | yeah, the browser doesn't need it, but that's for end users |
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| 11:12.15 | Upthorn | the server stuff, that is |
| 11:12.18 | kblin | what do I care about those, they just go and make my life harder by filing bugs |
| 11:12.55 | kblin | call me old school, but I like servers written in C |
| 11:13.56 | kblin | though I agree that using XML as a protocol is probably a bit painful |
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| 12:07.09 | ojwb | GWT compiles java code to javascript, essentially |
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| 12:14.24 | davidhorat | hi |
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| 12:30.06 | skb9hra | got his gsoc tshirt, a huge one :) |
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| 12:31.44 | skbohra | its really a huge one :( |
| 12:32.12 | jasebo | too big skbohra? |
| 12:32.22 | skbohra | yeah |
| 12:32.34 | jasebo | you could use it as a tent? |
| 12:32.41 | skbohra | almost :P |
| 12:32.47 | jasebo | invite a friend around |
| 12:33.01 | jasebo | :D |
| 12:33.03 | skbohra | hahhaa |
| 12:33.19 | ajuonline | skbohra: what size is it? |
| 12:33.42 | skbohra | ajuonline: XL :-/ someone told me to go for little large |
| 12:33.59 | ajuonline | skbohra: hah! i think I told you your size when u asked around :P |
| 12:34.01 | jasebo | you could try and beat this guy, and put it on as the last t-shirt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCh6ABcFq6s |
| 12:34.05 | ajuonline | those are US sizes, not Indian |
| 12:34.20 | skbohra | ajuonline: right!! |
| 12:34.23 | ajuonline | hi jasebo , |
| 12:34.29 | jasebo | hi ajuonline :-) |
| 12:34.44 | skbohra | now I am thinking of getting it altered |
| 12:34.51 | skbohra | i want to wear it |
| 12:35.19 | skbohra | anyhow |
| 12:35.20 | ajuonline | skbohra: u can wait for Ellen to post to list about certificates and t-shirts, missing shipments et al. |
| 12:35.33 | ajuonline | but wait, you did request for XL right? |
| 12:35.45 | skbohra | ajuonline: yes :( |
| 12:35.56 | ajuonline | ah, so your fault :P not #gsoc 's |
| 12:36.03 | skbohra | yeah |
| 12:36.19 | skbohra | and ellen is too busy |
| 12:36.21 | jasebo | wash it in really hot water? |
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| 12:36.34 | ajuonline | jasebo: wouldnt that make it even bigger? |
| 12:36.37 | jasebo | my last useless tip... just eat a lot |
| 12:36.41 | ajuonline | lol |
| 12:36.43 | jasebo | :-) |
| 12:36.45 | skbohra | lol |
| 12:36.58 | jasebo | I think hot water might shrink it |
| 12:37.02 | jasebo | but it would be risky |
| 12:37.13 | skbohra | the sticker |
| 12:38.40 | jasebo | yeah, it could kill the design |
| 12:41.38 | MaNI3 | find someone who ordered too small and swap |
| 12:42.10 | ajuonline | yeah swapping is better, saves a lot of resources and time |
| 12:42.17 | skbohra | yeah would do that! once ellen post some update |
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| 18:46.43 | thebolt | Good evening people |
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