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| 13:51.56 | wishi | hi |
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| 14:09.36 | kblin | afternoon |
| 14:09.51 | Ivanovic | hi kblin |
| 14:10.36 | kblin | hey Ivanovic, how's life? |
| 14:10.58 | Ivanovic | not good |
| 14:11.06 | Ivanovic | exam in theoretical physics tomorrow |
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| 14:11.56 | kblin | aw, good luck (or success) with that one |
| 14:12.09 | Ivanovic | i need lots of luck or a *very* friendly prof |
| 14:12.28 | Ivanovic | you know, as minor physics is hardcore since you are not *this* used to the math required |
| 14:12.50 | Landon | needs to close his eyes before Ivanovic persuades him not to go for a physics minor |
| 14:12.57 | Ivanovic | (that is in fact you don't have a lecture covering the math, you just learn it as part of the physics lectures and, uhm, not too much in depth) |
| 14:13.22 | Ivanovic | Landon: in general physics is lovely as minor when doing CS as major |
| 14:13.25 | kblin | oh? you didn't learn that stuff in your maths lecture? |
| 14:13.41 | Ivanovic | nope, we have CS math lectures doing slightly different stuff |
| 14:14.34 | Ivanovic | not the so called "höma" but some algebra, some group theory and the likes plus logics and probability calculation |
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| 14:15.02 | Ivanovic | just really tiny fractions of calculus and differntial calculus |
| 14:15.07 | Landon | Ivanovic: yeah.... I never really enjoyed physics myself for the 2 classes I had, but I got the idea in my head that I just _had_ to take intro to astrophysics.... and that+prereqs is enough for a minor :p |
| 14:15.12 | Ivanovic | and those are what you basically *only* need for theoretical physics |
| 14:15.55 | Ivanovic | beside this i got *no* idea how the exam might look since what can you ask? |
| 14:16.16 | Ivanovic | writing down complete proofs? almost impossible for a minor not knowing all the fancy math details |
| 14:16.43 | Ivanovic | (sure, you understand the proofs in the lecture, but that's about it, doing it yourself is, hmm, borderline impossible) |
| 14:17.01 | Ivanovic | Landon: i really enjoyed the normal physics stuff |
| 14:17.10 | Ivanovic | especially lab classes |
| 14:17.19 | Ivanovic | (though writing the lab reports is not too much fun...) |
| 14:17.26 | Landon | well |
| 14:17.31 | Landon | those are the only ones I've taken so far |
| 14:17.52 | Ivanovic | and the "problems in modern physics" lecture was real fun, too |
| 14:17.59 | Landon | all of the others that I need to take are more... topical? I guess |
| 14:18.01 | Ivanovic | just this last one that really sucks is left... |
| 14:18.03 | Landon | no labs |
| 14:19.10 | Ivanovic | and the script is, uhm, not too helpfull for theoretical physics: http://t2.physik.tu-dortmund.de/weber/teaching/tpn0304/tpn0304_skript.pdf |
| 14:19.41 | wishi | *g* at least you get a script |
| 14:19.55 | Ivanovic | wishi: have a look at it, then we can talk again |
| 14:20.13 | wishi | I did... should use LaTeX |
| 14:20.20 | Ivanovic | you will notice that there are many mistakes in it |
| 14:20.30 | Ivanovic | that is: many blanks you have to fill in yourself |
| 14:20.37 | Ivanovic | and of course things just plain wrong, too... |
| 14:20.47 | Landon | script? |
| 14:20.52 | Ivanovic | (but hey, what difference does a missing + or - make in a formula?) |
| 14:20.56 | Landon | at first I thought it might be notes allowed on the exam, but it's kinda long |
| 14:21.12 | Ivanovic | jupp, this is the lecture we had |
| 14:21.12 | wishi | it's just physics. should be easy. |
| 14:21.14 | Landon | also notes that it had me lost at Skriptum |
| 14:21.15 | Landon | :p |
| 14:21.42 | Ivanovic | for this script it makes almost no difference that it is in german since there is barely a "real" word used in there anyway... |
| 14:22.03 | Ivanovic | no explainaintion of the context or meaning of a formula |
| 14:23.06 | Ivanovic | wishi: the difficulty level can be easy or damn hard |
| 14:23.42 | Ivanovic | wishi: since if he asks for proofs it will be damn hard, if he just asks for basic formulas and meanings of those it should be possible to pass (for me that is) |
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| 14:25.24 | Ivanovic | if he wants me to show him why the sky is blue (hertzian dipole and all the stuff) it will be a case of "you are kidding me, right?" |
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| 14:27.10 | wishi | I'm glad I just study CS ;) |
| 14:27.40 | kblin | lots of dry stuff in there as well |
| 14:27.40 | Ivanovic | once this exam is done i "just" got to write my thesis and i got my degree done |
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| 14:28.00 | Ivanovic | and yeah, in the CS classes i most disliked theoretical CS... |
| 14:28.19 | Ivanovic | kblin: and how is life for you atm? |
| 14:29.08 | kblin | weird :) |
| 14:29.15 | Ivanovic | uhm, okay |
| 14:30.03 | Ivanovic | that does probably say everything, right? |
| 14:30.20 | kblin | waiting for funding to get started on my phd, and I can't decide if I want to look for a paying job while waiting or if I want to keep coding on the stuff I want to work on |
| 14:31.07 | Ivanovic | i'd say it should depend on if you need the money from a job right now or not |
| 14:31.19 | Ivanovic | if you need the money: why have you not gotten a job yet? |
| 14:31.40 | Ivanovic | if you don't: just do what you like (though it ain't too bad if you find someone paying you for doing so ;) ) |
| 14:32.05 | kblin | well, I don't _need_ the money assuming the phd funding lands february or march |
| 14:32.47 | Ivanovic | hmm, if you have the phd funding this soon it most likely makes no sense to search for a full job |
| 14:35.09 | kblin | yeah, just my point |
| 14:35.44 | Ivanovic | the chair where you will do your phd at has no idea how long it will/might take to know for sure? |
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| 14:42.06 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, the BMBF already accepted the project |
| 14:42.16 | kblin | but they haven't sent funding yet |
| 14:42.32 | ol | kblin: you need to send a release fee first |
| 14:42.44 | ol | let me give you the account number to send it to... |
| 14:43.22 | Landon | fee" |
| 14:43.24 | Landon | fee? |
| 14:43.27 | Landon | surely you mean fees |
| 14:43.35 | Landon | I'll send you the additional account # |
| 14:43.35 | Ivanovic | kblin: and noone was able to tell you how long it normally takes till you get funding? |
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| 14:44.00 | Ivanovic | beside this: what is your project? |
| 14:44.08 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, before christmas they told me that they should have it by the beginning of this year :) |
| 14:44.09 | ol | landon: you need to send the additional account fee first |
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| 14:44.35 | kblin | right |
| 14:44.45 | kblin | Landon: I'll send you my account number for that :) |
| 14:45.50 | kblin | Ivanovic: the sub-project is called "development of in silico methods to optimize gene cluster isolation and analysis" |
| 14:46.47 | Ivanovic | hmm, yeah, can be really interesting stuff |
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| 14:50.41 | kblin | I'll be given the opportunity to do lab work as well :) |
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| 15:01.16 | Ivanovic | that's a swiss knife! http://www.amazon.de/Wenger-Schweizer-Offiziersmesser-Messer-Schatulle/dp/B000R0JDSI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sports&qid=1263458477&sr=8-1%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0 |
| 15:01.17 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 15:02.38 | kblin | yeah, but only for officers who have a staff dedicated to carrying that beast |
| 15:02.45 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 15:04.14 | kblin | I like the reviews |
| 15:04.59 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 15:05.18 | Ivanovic | they show some clear problems and possible improvements for the next version |
| 15:07.23 | kblin | as opposed to my ubuntu system, which just decided to break the nvidia driver with a kernel update |
| 15:08.15 | Ivanovic | hugs his rv670 based card |
| 15:08.25 | Ivanovic | open source drivers for the graphics card are *nice* |
| 15:08.27 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:08.52 | kblin | well, not too convinced |
| 15:09.17 | kblin | the ati drivers my laptop uses still suck pretty hard on linux |
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| 15:10.03 | Ivanovic | on my laptop i got an intel chip |
| 15:10.07 | Ivanovic | so that does work nicely, too |
| 15:10.49 | thebolt | hi guys |
| 15:13.45 | kblin | hey thebolt |
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| 15:16.29 | kblin | brilliant |
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