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| 00:32.11 | hypa7ia | scorche: yarr |
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| 00:46.22 | ojwb | hypa7ia: do you consult for the norwegian government? |
| 00:48.02 | ojwb | http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/335505 - but reading further I think it's just a naming coincidence |
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| 02:02.33 | hypa7ia | ojwb: haha, neat. entirely coincidental though - my real name's leigh, and i consult under "adanix" |
| 02:24.48 | Ori_B | ironic. I haven't used Windows in 6 years. |
| 02:25.00 | Ori_B | now I have an interview with Microsoft. |
| 02:28.16 | hypa7ia | Ori_B: that's too funny |
| 02:28.35 | hypa7ia | i interviewed there a yearish ago. i only keep windows around to run malware on, hah |
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| 02:39.09 | ojwb | oh, for a job |
| 02:39.20 | ojwb | not like a website interview |
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| 04:16.34 | Ori_B | hypa7ia: heh, what should I expect? |
| 04:24.28 | hypa7ia | Ori_B: mine was pretty informal, met at a coffeeshop with my contact and his manager. didn't end up going past that because i decided against it. but i hear it's quite the gauntlet :) |
| 04:24.51 | Ori_B | hypa7ia: can't be worse than Jane Street :P |
| 04:24.57 | Ori_B | is on the 3rd round with them |
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| 04:25.18 | hypa7ia | what's jane street? |
| 04:25.35 | Ori_B | an Ocaml-based proprietary trading company |
| 04:25.48 | Ori_B | http://janestreet.com/ |
| 04:25.54 | hypa7ia | ah neat |
| 04:26.28 | Ori_B | 2 phone interviews so far, now they want me in new york for 7 hours of in-person interviewing. |
| 04:26.31 | Ori_B | for a summer job. |
| 04:28.41 | hypa7ia | heh |
| 04:28.43 | hypa7ia | cool :) |
| 04:28.46 | hypa7ia | nyc eh? |
| 04:32.12 | Ori_B | yep. |
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| 04:36.42 | Ori_B | but yeah, Jane Street's interviews were more challenging than the ones I had with Google... |
| 04:37.18 | ojwb | knows someone who works (or perhaps used to work) for janes street |
| 04:41.56 | Ori_B | ojwb: cool |
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| 04:44.35 | ojwb | Ori_B: still seems to |
| 04:44.45 | ojwb | he seemed to like it when I last spoke to him |
| 04:45.02 | ojwb | but he did a phd about ocaml, so I guess that's an attraction for him |
| 04:45.26 | Ori_B | ah, fair enough. |
| 04:45.32 | Ori_B | is still an undergrad :) |
| 04:45.47 | Ori_B | engineering physics with a computer science minor |
| 04:48.29 | hypa7ia | haha, i started out in eng phys |
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| 05:58.52 | selenamarie | Ori_B: i have a friend that just went through their interviews. |
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| 06:01.26 | Ori_B | selenamarie: MS or Jane Street? |
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| 06:25.44 | darthsitius | Hi, i wanted to know if i can apply for a project listed for gsoc 2009 and not assigned to anyone for Gsoc 2010 ? |
| 06:26.41 | Catfish_Man | darthsitius: well, the org list isn't up for 2010 yet afaik |
| 06:26.51 | Catfish_Man | I'd just wait and see |
| 06:27.20 | darthsitius | what i mean is liked an idea on the project idea's page of 2009 |
| 06:27.37 | darthsitius | and it was not assigned to anyone last time |
| 06:27.52 | darthsitius | so can i apply for that idea for 2010 too? |
| 06:28.14 | ojwb | darthsitius: yes, assuming the org applies again and is accepted |
| 06:28.29 | darthsitius | yea, its fedora so shouldnt be a prob |
| 06:28.32 | ojwb | if you're interested in working with an org (from last year or a new one) talk to them |
| 06:28.48 | darthsitius | ok |
| 06:29.19 | ojwb | if you mention you're interested in the idea now, you'll have a head start before they've even been accepted |
| 06:29.57 | darthsitius | so to contact the org, do i join the dev mailing lists? |
| 06:29.59 | Ori_B | darthsitius: the project list is just a suggestion. |
| 06:30.29 | darthsitius | Ori_B ok |
| 06:30.29 | ojwb | darthsitius: depends on the org, but mailing list or irc is usually the preferred wya |
| 06:30.29 | Ori_B | I've done SoC projects that weren't in the list at all. |
| 06:30.49 | ojwb | there's a page for each org from last year with contact stuff |
| 06:30.57 | Ori_B | feel free to come up with a proposal of your own, if you think it's useful/worthwhile. |
| 06:31.02 | darthsitius | ok |
| 06:31.05 | ojwb | yeah, often those are the most interesting |
| 06:31.27 | darthsitius | Ori_B In that case, i would have to discuss with the org about the idea first right? |
| 06:31.45 | darthsitius | Ori_B the feasiblity |
| 06:32.27 | Dark_Shikari | in general, you should jump on the project's IRC if there is one |
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| 06:35.48 | Ori_B | darthsitius: it would be a good idea |
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| 07:32.50 | kblin | Nightrose: ah, perfect, the "dynamic playlist" feature of 2.2.2 removes the need to keep my entire collection on the playlist, which cuts start-up time by about a minute, as it now only stats a handful of files |
| 07:33.06 | Nightrose | :) |
| 07:33.20 | Nightrose | it's been there before though |
| 07:33.31 | Nightrose | since 2.0.something (done by my gsoc student) |
| 07:34.01 | kblin | hm, maybe I just didn't find it |
| 07:34.10 | Nightrose | probably - it was hidden |
| 07:35.10 | kblin | you don't happen to know how to add a bias on "not recently played" songs? |
| 07:35.46 | Nightrose | i don't think that's possible atm unfortunately |
| 07:36.37 | kblin | ok, no problem |
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| 13:41.49 | siri1 | hello |
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| 14:26.47 | Ivanovic | kblin: okay, found the "real" reason for unregistered users not being able to write stuff in here |
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| 14:27.16 | Ivanovic | when the server was migrated all chans were set to +q (quiet) for all users not logged in at nickserv |
| 14:27.57 | Ivanovic | that is "/mode #gsoc -q $~a" should remove that one |
| 14:28.23 | Ivanovic | to get a list of users currently set to quiet just call "/mode #gsoc +q" |
| 14:34.13 | kblin | right |
| 14:34.20 | *** mode/#gsoc [-q $~a] by kblin |
| 14:34.46 | kblin | I did think +r stopped unregistered users from joining |
| 14:35.12 | Ivanovic | but this +q stopped them from writing anything to the chan |
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| 14:37.38 | Ivanovic | of course we could say that we are all geeky enough in here to be able to register our nicks, but that ain't the point, right? |
| 14:37.40 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:38.00 | kblin | I wish ircd would have a field for storing reasons for a +q or +b |
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| 14:38.43 | kblin | well, in a help channel where you'd expect that a fair share of users has no clue about IRC, you should make things as easy as possible |
| 14:39.02 | Ivanovic | uhm, is this a help channel? |
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| 14:39.10 | Ivanovic | not a "program discussion chan"? |
| 14:39.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:39.27 | kblin | especially if even your regulars can't configure their bouncers to work with nickserv |
| 14:39.44 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 14:40.13 | thebolt | ;-) |
| 14:41.49 | Landon | irc is hard |
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| 14:42.53 | thebolt | bah, for some reason, some things you think is solvable in just an hour or two ends up taking half a day :( |
| 14:43.22 | Landon | yup |
| 14:43.29 | Landon | and papers that seemed unwritable when you had a week left |
| 14:43.42 | Landon | suddenly spring from your brain in the space of a fraction of a day |
| 14:43.49 | Landon | too bad there's an enormous exit wound |
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| 14:48.35 | kblin | isn't that one of the applications of murphy's laws of computing? |
| 14:49.44 | kblin | "if it looks easy, it's hard. if it looks hard, it's impossible. if it looks impossible, the cleaning lady can do it in her cigarette break. corrolar: the cleaning lady got a high-paid job at your competitor yesterday." |
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| 15:03.28 | thebolt | kblin: might be, yes :) |
| 15:05.03 | kblin | I hate spreadsheet software |
| 15:05.52 | kblin | perhapst I should try and write my own |
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| 15:25.02 | sfb | kblin: Hi |
| 15:25.04 | kblin | !timeline |
| 15:25.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) if you prefer a pretty visual timeline see http://is.gd/141Tu |
| 15:25.07 | kblin | sfb: hi there :) |
| 15:25.24 | sfb | kblin: Doing something again for Wombat this year? |
| 15:27.06 | kblin | sfb: hoping to, there's still 3d renderer integration, and if I can come up with some other topic, I'll add that as well |
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| 15:41.00 | jroes | I lost my 1099 from Google for GSoC 2 years ago, anyone have any idea who I could contact to get another copy? I'm trying to buy a house and I'm getting grilled about 1099 income |
| 15:45.35 | kblin | !support |
| 15:45.35 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 15:45.49 | kblin | jroes: I'd try that address ^^^ |
| 15:46.28 | jroes | ah, good. that could be better than e-mailing LH directly |
| 15:46.47 | jroes | although I thought she was no longer involved in gsoc |
| 15:47.00 | kblin | lh? you're kidding :) |
| 15:47.25 | jroes | I think she went on leave or something right as the GSoC I was in wrapped up -- 2008 |
| 15:47.34 | jroes | I must have thought it was permanent |
| 15:47.49 | kblin | I bet she went on a well-deserved vacation |
| 15:48.21 | kblin | but she certainly ran gsoc 2009, and seems to be running gsoc 2010 as well |
| 15:48.21 | jroes | yeah I hope so :) |
| 15:49.00 | kblin | at least lh was the one sending the announcements |
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| 22:25.12 | _Samo | 'What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students?' how people deals with this issue |
| 22:26.25 | _Samo | I mean what is a correct answer for that question |
| 22:30.04 | ojwb | it isn't a right/wrong question |
| 22:31.03 | schumaml | it's a "do you have a plan for this situation?" question |
| 22:31.07 | ojwb | _Samo: but you should have a plan |
| 22:31.09 | ojwb | indeed |
| 22:31.24 | ojwb | and a way to prod you to consider getting alternative contact info |
| 22:31.34 | ojwb | e.g. a phone number as well as email |
| 22:31.44 | _Samo | what kind of plan does other use for dealing with this issue |
| 22:32.42 | ojwb | expecting status reports at least every <time period> is a start |
| 22:32.49 | ojwb | so you actually know if you should have heard |
| 22:32.52 | schumaml | well, the first thing is: how do you know that the student has disappeared? |
| 22:33.08 | ojwb | and if they'll be away, make sure they know they should tell you |
| 22:33.30 | ojwb | you also want to know of any trips so you know how much time they can spend |
| 22:33.49 | ojwb | a short holiday isn't a bad thing necessarily, but you really want to know about it |
| 22:34.02 | schumaml | ("don't allow mentors who aren't on irc every day" is a consequence for us, based on 2009 experiences) |
| 22:34.22 | Nightrose | _Samo: you want to read the mentoring guide that was written before the last gsoc summit |
| 22:34.31 | Nightrose | it'll be helpful |
| 22:34.37 | _Samo | yep |
| 22:34.56 | ojwb | it's more focussed at the mentor than org admin level |
| 22:35.07 | _Samo | well but what if the student eventually does dissapear, what do you do in this case |
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| 22:35.14 | ojwb | because we had limited time, and that was where we thought we could make most difference |
| 22:35.20 | ojwb | _Samo: nothing ultimantely |
| 22:35.23 | ojwb | ultimately |
| 22:35.27 | ojwb | other than tell google |
| 22:35.47 | ojwb | if a student really wants to drop out, that's what'll happen |
| 22:35.56 | schumaml | IMO the more interesting question is "what do you do when they pop up x days before the final deadline" |
| 22:35.59 | ojwb | but you can plan to minimise |
| 22:36.12 | ojwb | the chances of that |
| 22:36.32 | hypa7ia | schumaml: fail them anyway :/ |
| 22:36.40 | ojwb | make them aware than regular contact and discussion is a required part of the GSoC |
| 22:36.46 | _Samo | ojwb, like doing what? |
| 22:36.54 | ojwb | it's not just about the code |
| 22:37.04 | dgrunwald1 | if they disappear, you can do nothing but write them mails. if they don't respond, you can do nothing but fail them. |
| 22:37.09 | ojwb | community is important |
| 22:37.13 | robbyoconnor | my mentor and I communicated via skype |
| 22:37.15 | hypa7ia | _Samo: being on irc regularly, filing bugs, participating on mailing lists etc |
| 22:37.21 | hypa7ia | s/irc/whatever IM you use/ |
| 22:37.39 | schumaml | the means of communication vary for every org/project |
| 22:37.39 | ojwb | ideally you want them to be as close to a normal project member as possible |
| 22:37.52 | ojwb | it's obviously not going to be completely like that |
| 22:37.59 | dgrunwald1 | yes, regularly using some kind of IM is helpful to keep in touch / minimize chances of them disappearing |
| 22:38.07 | ojwb | few open source people are paid conditional on evaluation by other project members... |
| 22:38.10 | _Samo | ojwb, I see so a kind of 'social' program should be established for metors and students |
| 22:38.17 | _Samo | *mentor |
| 22:38.30 | ojwb | not sure I'd go that far myself |
| 22:38.45 | ojwb | but students who hang out on IRC (even not saying much) tend to do better |
| 22:38.47 | _Samo | well it is just a way to call it |
| 22:39.01 | ojwb | and if a probelm comes up, it means the barrier to asking for help is lower |
| 22:39.14 | ojwb | since the window is open, and they feel they know the people they are asking |
| 22:39.18 | gangil | http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language hey this link does seem to work anymore ...it was listed here on Advice for students page http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents |
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| 22:39.29 | ojwb | !orgsbylang |
| 22:39.30 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 22:39.41 | ojwb | gangil: see the link above |
| 22:40.01 | ojwb | thinks that wiki is only editable my the google people |
| 22:41.22 | ojwb | the 2009 list is link to just above it anyway |
| 22:41.25 | gangil | thanks for that :) ojwb |
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