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02:57.04sfbkblin: ping
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02:58.59sfbkblin: Nevermind, I found my answer. I saw that at the Mentor Summit there was a WOMBAT presentation. Appears that was Al or Erik that did it.
03:03.40marcosRzyay \o/
03:03.46marcosRzlast year i tried gsoc and wasnt accepted
03:03.56marcosRzthe project I submitted had a looooooooooot of proposts :3
03:04.02marcosRzI hope this year I get in \o/
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03:22.37codestasher!orglist
03:22.37socinfo"orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
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06:48.31bnyjsSir, is it possible to select our own idea for SOC ? or do we have to select from the list ? Please help
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06:51.00bnyjscould you please help ?
06:51.59summatusmentisit's fairly close the middle of the night in most places in the states
06:52.19summatusmentisbut yes, you're not obligated to choose from the list of ideas that organizations present
06:52.28summatusmentisyou do however have to choose from the list of organizations
06:52.41bnyjsok
06:53.09bnyjslike , selecting an idea from KDE organisation ?
06:53.48ojwbthere is a "google org" for ideas which don't fit under others, but you need to find a suitable mentor yourself, and there are only a 2 or 3 slots typically
06:54.07ojwbit's not a path I'd recommend unless you're determined
06:54.51bnyjsi see, i'm still underage, would like to know about SOC. Thank you very much :)
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08:54.27_Samohi
08:55.12_Samoadministrators, mentors and students must have a Gmail account to apply for GSOC, isn't it?
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09:05.01danderson_Samo: a Google account, which is slightly different (doesn't need to be tied to an @gmail.com address)
09:05.36_Samook I see thanks for the answer
09:05.48dandersonbut, yes, everyone needs a Google account to sign up, simply because the gsoc webapp runs on App engine, and uses Google accounts as user accounts (very easy to do on app engine)
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09:20.00ajuonline|away_Samo: google.com/accounts
09:20.23ajuonline|awaydanderson: hey!
09:20.42dandersonajuonline: hi!
09:21.05ajuonlinedanderson: how have you been?
09:21.23dandersonquite good, youself?
09:21.24danderson+r
09:21.42ajuonlinegood, thanks :)
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09:29.20kblinwow, danderson, long time no read :)
09:33.51_Samothanks danderson
09:35.14ajuonlinekblin: no read? lol
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09:36.03kblinwhat? it's IRC, I don't think I've ever met danderson for real.. he wasn't at the last mentor summits
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09:49.14theboltkblin: i do think he was at the first one though.. i think i met him there (but i might confuse people with eachother)
09:49.55spectiein the FAQ
09:50.06spectie<PROTECTED>
09:50.11spectiethere seems to be a question missing
09:50.20spectieit goes straight from
09:50.25spectie# Who will be your backup organization administrator?
09:50.25spectieto
09:50.26spectie# What criteria did you use to select these individuals as mentors? Please be as specific as possible.
09:50.32spectiewithout asking who the mentors are
09:50.42spectieis this deliberate ?
09:50.47ojwbspectie: well done, you passed the first tests
09:50.52spectielol
09:51.13spectiei was wondering if something had changed in melange that made it redundant
09:51.21ojwbi doubt it is deliberate, but it sounds kind of familiar
09:51.35spectiebut then the other question might be worded a bit differently
09:52.10spectiewell, it's not important yet
09:52.24ojwbi don't think you're expected to have necessarily "chosen" your mentors at the point of applying
09:52.48spectieojwb, yeah
09:52.58spectielast year you could add more afterwards
09:53.03spectiewhich i think is good
09:53.11ojwbi think they want to know that you are picking them sanely
09:53.33spectieso the question could probably use having 'these individuals as' removed :)
09:53.37spectieok, i'm going back to bed
09:53.42spectiebbiab all
09:54.07ojwbspectie: probably
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10:27.34_Samodo you know what's the way to contact Leslie Hawthorn?
10:27.56Chainsaw_Samo: For busy people like Leslie, e-mail is usually best.
10:27.57_SamoI don't see any email address around
10:28.37_Samodo you know where I can find her email address?
10:29.26_SamoI have been searching and found nothing
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10:38.11ajuonline_Samo: Leslie Hawthorn --> lhospo at gmail
10:38.26_Samothanks
10:41.14ojwbbut is it specifically for leslie, or just for someone in the OSPO team?
10:41.42ojwb_Samo: for the latter, I think ospoadmin@gmail.com is preferred
10:43.05_Samowhich one is more polite to use if we want just to communicate that we are going to apply as a mentoring org for the first time?
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10:45.58ajuonline_Samo: i think it should be ok to send mail to either and mark a copy to the other
10:46.26_Samothanks
10:46.48ajuonlinethere is also the program discuss mailing list, which the team monitors
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12:05.44rtdphey, 'm engineering student and will have final exams on may end.. so that will eat up nearly 10 days of total coding days.. will it affect my chances of getting selected for gsoc ?
12:05.58rtdp*May
12:06.00johanhilno, i was in the same position last year and it worked out fine
12:07.21rtdpjust checking out the project lists of various orgs.. any particular advice for choosing an organization for more chances of selection ?
12:08.21unknown_hadrtdp, how to know that where are more chances of selection?
12:08.55ojwbchoose something which reflects your interests and existing skills
12:09.18unknown_hadojwb, OK
12:09.37ojwband get a head start by talking to the org now
12:10.17ojwbor at least idle in their IRC channel or read their mailing list to get a feel for how things work
12:11.47unknown_hadthank you ojwb .
12:11.57rtdpok.. any words about how deep knowledge one should have about organization technologies to be part in such big competition..
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12:13.05ojwbrtdp: well, the more you know already, the better I guess, but the majority of applicants don't know much to start with
12:13.25ojwbhmm, well depends what you mean by "organization technologies"
12:13.48ojwbas a mentor, I'm not going to want to have to teach you to program in the language used
12:14.00ojwbunless it is something specialist perhaps
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12:14.44ojwbbut it would be unusual (though a definite bonus) if you were familiar with the code already
12:15.50rtdphmm... so just complete knowledge of that particular language is enough... + one should be familier with the code of that particular project...
12:16.16ojwbi wouldn't expect complete knowledge necessarily
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12:17.53ojwbas an org, we really want to choose the students+project combinations most likely to be successful
12:18.21ojwbso if you can make yourself and your project proposal a better bet, you'll generally improve your chances
12:19.05ojwbso introducing yourself now shows that you don't leave everything to the last minute, and allows people in the org to get to know you a bit
12:19.57ojwbso you'd get picked over someone who submitted an equally good application for the same project, but 5 minutes before the deadline, and who we'd never heard from before
12:20.46darthsitiusHi, is there anyone who was a mentor/student for Xelerance out here?
12:21.07rtdpojwb: that's what i was really looking for.. thanks...
12:21.33ojwb!anyone
12:21.33socinfo"anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009
12:21.39ojwbdarthsitius: see above
12:22.20darthsitiusYes, i did contact them. No response on Mailing list , IRC is empty
12:22.47ojwbhow long ago did you mail them?
12:22.54darthsitiusa few days ago
12:23.02ojwbhmm, not so good
12:23.17ajuonlinesend a reminder?
12:23.23darthsitiusnot yet
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12:26.07darthsitiusis it advisable to contact mentors of gsoc 2009
12:26.37ojwbprobably not directly
12:28.10ojwblooks like hypa7ia mentored for them last year - she was here a day or two ago
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12:30.35ajuonlineshe does lurk on irc tho
12:32.29ojwbdarthsitius: probably best just to be patient for a bit longer at this point
12:33.00darthsitiusok
12:33.17spectieDark_Shikari, yes
12:33.21spectiedarthsitius,
12:33.22spectiesorry
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13:19.50darthsitiusojwb : was hypa7ia mentoring for Xelerance?
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14:03.19cyberzepHello everyone
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14:27.11cyberzepHow does a newbie get around GSoC?
14:27.40cyberzepAnyone there who can help me?
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14:27.56acecyberzep: you can start by reading the website?
14:28.06KiMimorning guys:D
14:28.47cyberzepUmmm... I did read it... But I'm a bit confused....
14:29.03cyberzepMorning Kimi
14:29.33KiMiI just read all the FAQ for gsoc 2010 and a single thing I didn't understand
14:29.47KiMiI'm from Romania, and here in the faq it says: For students based outside the United States, we will need a completed Foreign Certification form.
14:30.09KiMiwhat is that Foreign Certification form? (googling it didn't answer me)
14:30.43cyberzepThe thing is, I'm not sure so as to what I can do regarding coding. The foreign certification form? Sounds like a nativity certificate.
14:31.13cyberzepAnd I'm from India.
14:33.49acei don't know what they mean by this certification form
14:34.25cyberzepSome proof which says which country you are from?
14:35.25aceperhaps
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14:41.07cyberzepWhich all languages do you need to know in order to participate in GSoC?
14:41.19jmb!orgsbylang
14:41.19socinfo"orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages
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15:12.29blast007cyberzep: depends on the project
15:13.08blast007ah, guess that already got answered ;)
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16:41.52Landonkicks ATI with a rusty boot
16:42.05LandonI wouldn't have expected a relatively simple opengl program to fail so hard :\
16:43.50mak89khello, i wen thru the FAQ's of at the gsoc site!! i am not new to opensource but new to such gsoc.. need help in deciding the rt mentor or idea for me.. any suggestions!!
16:44.32Jeff_Smak89k: are there particular projects that you are interested in working with?
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16:46.29mak89kwell i have come across only a few personnally like SAHANA Disaster management , RTEMS . well both are impressive but i am confused as i am not able to judge them
16:46.54mak89ksorry if i sound very unprofessional!!
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16:47.10Catfish_Manless exclamation points would help ;)
16:47.29neo7any melange dev here
16:47.30neo7?
16:47.37mak89ksorry again a bad chatting habit!! ;)
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16:47.45Ivanovicneo7: are they not in #melange ?
16:47.58Ivanovic(IIRC there once was a chan like this)
16:48.09neo7no
16:48.13neo7nobody is replying
16:48.22neo7actually it was regarding appengine thing
16:48.29neo7I was running the server
16:48.31Ivanovicnobody replying is different from nobody there!
16:48.38neo7it works with localhost:8080
16:48.39Ivanovicirc is *NOT* instant, just ask ans wait
16:48.41Ivanovic;)
16:49.15neo7yea, I have been waiting for a long time, and I ready to wait, but if any guy who has the solution over here might be interested in replying
16:49.38neo7so the thing is that I want to deploy on my local IP
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16:49.42neo7and then on WAN IP
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16:50.34neo7it is not working on my local IP suppose 192.168.1.2:8080
16:51.53Ivanovicof course it is not working for wan if you have it in your local network
16:52.20Ivanovicthat is: unless eg your router has a redirect for incoming packages to :8080 to your local computer
16:52.28neo7yes
16:52.31neo7i have redirected
16:52.38Ivanovicbut then you have the use the external IP to test
16:52.41neo7I created a NAT
16:52.53neo7which forward port
16:52.57mak89ki have a good programming experience in c++ , c , java .. can anyone suggest good mentor organisations.. ?
16:53.03neo7but it should atlest work for local IP
16:53.14neo7like 192.168.1.2:8080
16:53.14Ivanovicneo7: so is it on the machine you currently use for irc?
16:53.21Ivanovicthen try 59.94.117.64:8080
16:53.25neo7yes yes
16:53.28neo7it is on the machine
16:53.35acemak89k: of course: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoC2010
16:53.37neo7I tried
16:53.50neo7Ivanovic: it says cannot estblish the connection
16:54.16neo7abd not even on local IP address.
16:54.23Ivanovicso running things with localhost:8080 works, using InternalIP:8080 does not?
16:54.34neo7Ivanovic: yes
16:54.37neo7you got it right
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16:54.51Ivanovicokay, then your network is screwed up!
16:55.02neo7HTTP is working fine
16:55.11neo7http://59.94.117.64/
16:55.19Ivanovictry connecting to 127.0.0.1:8080 (should be identical to localhost:8080)
16:55.25neo7that means network is working
16:55.44neo7Ivanovic: 127.0.0.1 = localhost, so it will work
16:56.01neo7yes its wrking
16:56.05Ivanovicand you are 100% sure that port 8080 is open externally?
16:56.20Ivanovicas in "no deny setting on port" and the likes
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16:59.43neo7Ivanovic: yes I am 100p sure that its is opening
16:59.47neo7externally
17:00.02neo7the port 8080 is forwarded to internal 8080
17:00.20ajuonline|awaymak89k: simple, Sahana is #win !!
17:00.38Catfish_Manajuonline: did you just use a hashtag in irc?
17:00.48ajuonlineerr yeah
17:00.49ajuonline:D
17:00.59Catfish_Man#fail
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17:01.05neo7Ivanovic: may be its some binding thing
17:01.21mak89kajuonline: hey, were u present on foss.in banagalore?
17:01.21ajuonlinemak89k: Sahaha is awesome, is what I meant ;)
17:01.30ajuonlinemak89k: i was, yes.
17:01.48Ivanovicneo7: i mean some deny on your local machine that is forbidding any connections not from 127.0.0.1
17:02.08mak89kajuonline: i was there too... it was my first!! i met fran also... we had a nice long chat abt the project!!
17:02.10ajuonlineCatfish_Man: continuing our last discussion, on fish. this is the third year, come on! now I can haz fish?
17:02.31ajuonlinemak89k: there you go :P he was my mentor in 2008.
17:02.39neo7127.0.0.1:80 is running http service
17:02.42Catfish_Manajuonline: no, you can haz cheezburger
17:02.48neo7127.0.0.1:8080 is running app engine server
17:03.07ajuonlinemak89k: drop by #sahana , i will brb in  abit
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17:03.22neo7Ivanovic: are you from App Engine ?
17:03.23mak89kajuonline: awesome!! meet ya there!!
17:03.28Ivanovicneo7: no
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17:06.28neo7ok
17:06.31neo7nevermind
17:06.41neo7i am getting help from #appengine
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19:05.49marcosRzguys
19:05.57marcosRzI'm thinking on making my year schedule
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19:06.12thebolteww.. how boring :P
19:06.16marcosRzif I get accepted for gsoc, do you guys have any idea the time I need to work / week ?
19:06.17marcosRz:3
19:06.35marcosRzlike 20h or...
19:06.40theboltfull time
19:06.44IvanovicmarcosRz: like a full time job
19:06.45marcosRzseriously
19:06.47marcosRzomg
19:06.48marcosRz:3
19:06.49Ivanovicyes, seriously!
19:06.53marcosRzholy cow
19:07.00marcosRzI'm a undergrad student
19:07.01marcosRz=3
19:07.06theboltSo?
19:07.07marcosRz>________<'
19:07.22marcosRzI have like tons of disciplines =3
19:07.39Ivanovicyou know, this is meant to be the equivalent of flipping burgers
19:07.42Ivanovica fulltime summer job
19:07.50marcosRzit's because it's not summer job in my country
19:08.09Ivanovicyes, it does not fit perfectly into the plans outside of the US (eg it starts in the final month for european students)
19:08.14theboltwell, that is a known problem, but it is your problem unfortunately
19:08.27marcosRz:'(
19:08.35Ivanovicif you are you able to invest the time required for participating in SoC (and you already know this in advance) then you should most likely not participate
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19:08.45thebolti had to pass up participating last summer as i had finals in end of june and crazy amount of school during end may/june
19:08.50marcosRzmaybe if I work on the weekends
19:09.26IvanovicmarcosRz: to be honest, the task is not to work on it 9 to 5
19:09.45IvanovicmarcosRz: the task is basically to get a subproject planned and impleneted (as well as integrated and tested)
19:09.53marcosRzI'm on last year of university. But I have my monograph (don't know if thats the right word on english) almost done
19:10.08marcosRzhm ..
19:10.12marcosRzlooking at the schedule
19:10.23marcosRzI have my afternoons *_*
19:10.25Ivanovicso yeah, to be able to communicate with your mentor and other team members it might be required to talk to people in the evenings or at weekends
19:10.34theboltIvanovic: you are lucky if full-time means 9 to 5 for you ;-)
19:10.40marcosRzXD
19:10.51Ivanovicthebolt: 9am to 5am!!!
19:10.52Ivanovic;)
19:10.55Catfish_Manthebolt: on a well managed project it does :P
19:10.57marcosRzis monograph the right word? for the final doc ?
19:10.57Catfish_Manalas, most aren't
19:11.16theboltIvanovic: :)
19:11.17sfbkblin: ping
19:11.20Catfish_ManmarcosRz: I think the word you're looking for is thesis
19:11.52theboltCatfish_Man: well, depends.. sometimes there just are hard deadlines and X amount of work that needs to be done :P
19:11.58thebolt(outside of gsoc that is)
19:12.19Ivanovicthebolt: the same inside of gsoc
19:12.22Ivanovic;)
19:12.53theboltIvanovic: heh true (although all my involvement so far has been as mentor ;)
19:13.03Catfish_Manthebolt: perhaps. I've found it's a rare project that given sufficiently experienced planners, frequent reassessment, and brutal honesty, can't be fit in 40 hours a week
19:13.26Ivanovicthebolt: as mentor you should know this since you say "okay, you should *really* get this done..."
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19:13.48theboltCatfish_Man: well, in this case the planner is me, and i knew when planend it that it would be more than 40 hour per week for the first month or two
19:14.32Catfish_Manthebolt: you reap what you sow :)
19:15.02Catfish_Man(...or in my case, I reap what upper management sows, I guess. Luckily they seem to be sane this time around)
19:15.07theboltCatfish_Man: yep
19:15.38theboltCatfish_Man: well, if i wanted to actually have anything to show (instead of just theory) by the end of my thesis period we need to submit it for manufacturing end march/early april
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19:41.27ajuonlineanyone has the nexus?
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20:41.48Lennieoh jolly, GSoC incoming :)
20:42.10Lenniehow many people do you think fit into this channel this year?
20:42.14ajuonline\o/
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20:42.29Lenniehi ajuonline  :D
20:42.32Lenniewassup!
20:42.40ajuonlineHey Lennie !
20:42.50ajuonlineme is sleeeeepy! been working up late :D
20:42.56ajuonlinehow have you been?
20:43.20Lenniehehe
20:43.22LennieI know the feeling
20:43.34LennieI've been great :)
20:43.48Lennievery busy with my masters and doing stuff for Melange
20:44.36kblinLennie: so I won't have to enter my personal information four times this year?
20:44.39ajuonlinegood good :)
20:44.41ajuonlinelol!
20:44.49Lenniekblin: actually no :)
20:44.54Lennieyou wont :)
20:45.18Lennieunless you have changed address then you might :P
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20:47.21Lenniekblin: any other pains you want to discuss :P?
20:47.45Lenniekblin: You can give the full system a spin starting the 22nd of February ;)
20:48.14LennieYou should see a post appear about that within the next week
20:48.37schumamla really interesting answer would be "you do not need to enter any info besides your mail address, we already know"
20:48.44Lennie:P
20:48.49Lenniehehe Google knows I guess :P
20:48.59thebolt:)
20:49.07LennieBut we're not running on internal code
20:49.11Lennie(at least not directly of course)
20:49.22schumamlor "we have the following postal addresses for your mail address, choose one or enter another" ;)
20:49.32thebolt;)
20:49.43LennieSearching for you has resulted in the following pictures: ...... and GPS coordinates
20:49.58LennieTargeting Laser Sattelite
20:50.25Lennieanyhow, privacy is important ^^
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20:50.58theboltjust as long as you are not suspected to do anything remotely connected to transfering files.. then there is no privacy ;)
20:51.11ajuonlinewe know that ur current GPS location from Lattitude is this.
20:51.23ajuonlineso we already know where ur ass is right now
20:51.29Lennieso true :D
20:51.38ajuonlinebest would be,
20:51.47ajuonlineif someone just updated his Lattitude and enters a wrong address
20:51.59ajuonlineit would give an error message "Who are you kidding?"
20:52.05Lenniehaha
20:52.24LennieNow sending, 1 Gold Bar, to the location you have given
20:52.46Lennieanyone tried Buzz yet?
20:53.38theboltno, i don't understand the buzz.. (ok, that one was bad :P)
20:53.52kblingoogles Lattitude and Buzz
20:54.16kblinthe only connection I can make to "Buzz" is the coke from the Simpsons
20:54.25theboltkblin: googles twitter/facebook-status
20:54.49kblinwtf??
20:54.59kblinwhy'd I ever want to do that?
20:56.09theboltmy point :P
20:56.53schumamlbecause you don't want twitter's or facebook's look, but the feel?
20:57.14Lenniebuzz.google.com :P
21:00.18ajuonlineanyone from Italy here?
21:00.31Lenniehmm
21:00.36kblinI'm still stunned by this latitude thing
21:00.41LennieI can get you someone from Italy ajuonline  :P
21:00.47kblinand reading up on buzz
21:01.01ajuonlineLennie: pm :P
21:01.28schumamlkblin: you don't follow xkcd? latitude has been featured there already.
21:01.58kblinI like how I had to re-read a sentence in an article that said "this assumption only holds if you're a 2005 style web user"
21:02.06sfbkblin: hi
21:02.12kblinI read it like "if you're into tall that modern crap"
21:02.26ErantLennie: Can you get ME someone from Italy? Preferably around 20, and female.
21:02.28kblinand they meant "if you're old fashioned like that"
21:02.53Lenniehmm
21:02.58LennieErant:  ask Mario from Melange :)
21:03.01Lenniehe can hook you up
21:03.06ErantAight.
21:03.08Lenniejust don't take his girlfriend
21:03.12Lenniewe need someone to keep him happy ;)
21:03.13kblinErant: that's not very appropriate, don't make lh hit you :)
21:03.20Erantkblin: Too late.
21:03.27Lenniekblin: He has been hit by LH before :)
21:03.40Lenniebut no time for details :P
21:03.50kblinand he still walks and talks? what's up with lh?
21:03.57Lenniehhe
21:03.59Lennieshe has turned soft :)
21:04.06kblinsfb: hi there
21:04.09Erantkblin: Paralyzed from the waist down.
21:04.09LennieI blame her facebook status for that one
21:04.24kblinschumaml: I don't remember reading about that
21:04.51schumamlhttp://xkcd.com/596/
21:05.40Lennie^^
21:06.20ErantOh well, at least she went to Fry's, not RS.
21:06.46kblinschumaml: oh, right
21:09.05schumamlhttp://xkcd.com/696/ - my honest reaction: "wow, argicola is mentioned on xkcd?" ;)
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21:13.47schumamlon the topic of publishing personal data - will there be more information available to org admins about people who are signing up as mentors this time?
21:14.07Lennieschumaml: They can type in a custom message for you :)
21:14.18Lennieso if you want them to keysign it they can do that ;P
21:14.24Lennieor jsut say Hi I'm Joe the Plumber :)
21:15.03schumamlwell, it's of no concern to me - don't know: deny; but others might benefit from it
21:15.07sfbkblin: I have some questions about WOmbat.
21:15.08sfb(=
21:15.22kblinsfb: sure :)
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21:21.37sfbkblin: How well do you think it will scale?
21:21.44sfbkblin: And how modular are the file formats?
21:22.00sfbkblin: By scale I mean both in sheer content as well as the "slashdot effect."
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21:23.02kblinsfb: the current implementation with the database in sqlite scales like a dead rabbit, I guess
21:23.36kblinwith a beefy database behind it, I think it can be decent
21:24.21kblinthe initial scan of the repository is a drag, especially on centralized version control systems like svn
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21:25.12kblinI'm not sure I get your question about the file formats
21:26.38sfbYou have previews of file formats. How easy is it to add new file formats?
21:26.45sfbLike, say, 3dsmax or something?
21:28.23kblinah, should be pretty easy in principle. you can run external scripts to generate the thumbnails
21:29.02kblinthey're located by md5sum of the original media file
21:29.08Lennienn all
21:30.25kblinOf course I haven't actually tried this yet, and I'm not 100% sure how to make this work for multi-file model formats like cal3d
21:30.58sfbkblin: k.
21:31.06sfbkblin: Just curious. (;
21:31.12sfbttyl, time to head home.
21:31.17kblinbut in principle it's designed to be modular
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