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| 00:18.10 | [Evan] | slaps head |
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| 00:20.08 | electrno | hello all |
| 00:20.10 | [Evan] | @moacir Yes, that the spreadsheet I was looking for. I thought the page with the list of which orgs were in each year had the number of student slots, as well. |
| 00:20.16 | electrno | i am from india |
| 00:21.07 | electrno | want to do some interesting programming projet in summer like making typing latex easier |
| 00:21.30 | electrno | say latex support in latex |
| 00:21.47 | electrno | i mean latex support in eclipse |
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| 00:22.32 | electrno | developing google chrome |
| 00:22.41 | electrno | programming in python or google go |
| 00:23.27 | electrno | basically i have ideas but havnt really worked on open source b4 |
| 00:23.32 | electrno | ny help |
| 00:24.18 | Catfish_Man | electrno: not sure if chrome will be one of the mentoring organizations or not |
| 00:24.24 | Catfish_Man | there should be plenty of python projects though |
| 00:24.38 | electrno | wellll cxhrome is of goolge rit |
| 00:24.40 | electrno | so........ |
| 00:24.47 | electrno | it has to be part of gsoc |
| 00:25.00 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 00:25.04 | Catfish_Man | google is not a mentoring organization |
| 00:25.04 | electrno | hmm |
| 00:25.10 | electrno | ok |
| 00:25.27 | electrno | so no projects on google go either then?? |
| 00:25.33 | Catfish_Man | probably not |
| 00:25.37 | electrno | hmm |
| 00:25.48 | electrno | so ny nice python projects |
| 00:25.56 | electrno | basically not proting stuff |
| 00:26.01 | electrno | somerthing more concrete |
| 00:26.04 | Catfish_Man | "proting"? |
| 00:26.09 | electrno | more useful for community in geneeral |
| 00:26.20 | Catfish_Man | the python software foundation has been a mentoring organization in past years, so likely will be again |
| 00:26.21 | electrno | porting |
| 00:26.24 | Catfish_Man | ah |
| 00:26.46 | electrno | i mean i dont wanna do the hard coding stuff |
| 00:27.01 | electrno | i want to do something which is of use |
| 00:27.05 | electrno | plan it then do it |
| 00:27.18 | electrno | ya python will be a part of it |
| 00:27.23 | electrno | gsoc |
| 00:27.30 | electrno | thats not the question |
| 00:27.49 | electrno | the ques is i tried to search for projects for some tym |
| 00:28.02 | electrno | but couldnt find something to my taste |
| 00:28.03 | Catfish_Man | idea lists for projects haven't been posted yet |
| 00:28.12 | Catfish_Man | but each organization will have a list of ideas |
| 00:28.25 | electrno | we can always give our own |
| 00:28.29 | electrno | :) |
| 00:28.32 | Catfish_Man | yup :) |
| 00:28.43 | electrno | dats y i am not after ideas list |
| 00:28.53 | electrno | i havnt reasearched on dat |
| 00:29.30 | electrno | my motive is to do something productive in this summer in field of programming |
| 00:29.40 | electrno | if if i get money for it |
| 00:29.49 | electrno | it will only add to the fun |
| 00:29.54 | Catfish_Man | that's the idea, yeah :) |
| 00:30.00 | [Evan] | Check out last year's list of mentoring orgs tagged by prog. language and project type: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/ |
| 00:30.12 | electrno | i did dat |
| 00:30.22 | electrno | so i have an idea of mentoring organisations |
| 00:31.01 | electrno | but i find the lsit is fulll of stuff in which one has to read a lot of code and either debug it , or port it, or rewrite it |
| 00:31.32 | electrno | its hard to find organisations going for ideas from scratch |
| 00:31.39 | electrno | or concepts |
| 00:31.48 | electrno | i hope u get the idea |
| 00:32.23 | electrno | so i want help on that part |
| 00:32.31 | electrno | homework stuff leave it to me |
| 00:33.18 | electrno | thats y u c i started off with nice stuff |
| 00:33.26 | electrno | chrome ,python ,google go |
| 00:33.47 | Catfish_Man | go is pretty much unused in any real projects so far, afaik |
| 00:33.53 | electrno | writing a bootloader say for ARM |
| 00:34.13 | electrno | @CM exactly thats the point |
| 00:34.25 | [Evan] | I think very few projects will let you start from nothing. |
| 00:34.28 | electrno | itg is a new potential prog lang |
| 00:34.33 | electrno | waiting to be used |
| 00:34.53 | electrno | wel i am willing to try |
| 00:34.55 | electrno | :) |
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| 00:35.06 | Catfish_Man | yeah, I can't think of any |
| 00:35.12 | Catfish_Man | it's sort of against the point |
| 00:35.14 | electrno | ill look for a dirty one to fall back on |
| 00:35.26 | Catfish_Man | the idea of soc is to get involved in an existing project |
| 00:35.50 | electrno | well i thought it was to do something interesting with what we already have |
| 00:36.32 | Catfish_Man | I don't know what that means |
| 00:36.37 | electrno | hmm |
| 00:36.59 | electrno | how abt this |
| 00:37.07 | electrno | latex support in eclipse |
| 00:37.20 | electrno | i mean ppl have to type latex code manually |
| 00:37.32 | Catfish_Man | that sounds like a reasonable project if eclipse is a mentoring organization, and it's something that can be done by one person in 3 months |
| 00:37.43 | electrno | so use eclipse fro assistint to write latex |
| 00:37.59 | Catfish_Man | what skills do you have? that should help narrow things down somewhat |
| 00:38.08 | electrno | eclipse should be mentoring organisation |
| 00:38.36 | electrno | see basically i have done some c ,c++ java progg |
| 00:38.47 | electrno | algorithm related stuff |
| 00:39.08 | electrno | i like participating in prog compititions |
| 00:39.15 | electrno | i am not a hardcore dev |
| 00:39.28 | electrno | who churns out code all day |
| 00:39.49 | Catfish_Man | be aware the summer of code is expected to be a fulltime summer job equivalent |
| 00:39.54 | summatusmentis | !orgsbylang |
| 00:39.55 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 00:39.56 | electrno | so i want help in finding something of my taste |
| 00:40.12 | electrno | thats precisely why i am willling to do it |
| 00:41.17 | electrno | i am also interested in electronics and robotivcs, atMega, beagleboard |
| 00:41.27 | electrno | but that stuff is not here in gsoc |
| 00:41.51 | electrno | but i am just telling this to give an idea of wot sort of proj i am looking 4 |
| 00:42.36 | electrno | Catfish_man???? |
| 00:42.43 | electrno | ny suggestions |
| 00:43.19 | Catfish_Man | electrno: other than "spell properly if you want to be taken seriously", no, not really. It sounds like you don't really know what you're looking for |
| 00:43.37 | electrno | ok |
| 00:43.56 | electrno | i dont think i do |
| 00:44.06 | electrno | thats y im looking for help |
| 00:44.22 | Catfish_Man | I don't think you'll find much in gsoc that's at all similar to competitions |
| 00:44.33 | Catfish_Man | they tend to be more about math tricks and algorithm games than software engineering |
| 00:44.42 | electrno | hmm |
| 00:45.22 | electrno | so tell me wot kind of things can i learn to do software engineering |
| 00:45.55 | Catfish_Man | generally it's a matter of experience. Find a project that you use yourself and are interested in improving, then get involved and make the improvements |
| 00:46.10 | Catfish_Man | you make important contacts, learn new skills, and improve software you use all at once :) |
| 00:47.14 | electrno | so getting a project in gsoc is more about experience in coding than coding skills or otherwise |
| 00:47.15 | Catfish_Man | one of the nice things about gsoc is that it's a chance for people with only academic experience to acquire real world software experience |
| 00:47.25 | electrno | thats me |
| 00:47.27 | electrno | :) |
| 00:47.52 | electrno | thats what i am looking for |
| 00:47.59 | Catfish_Man | mostly. There are exceptions. x264 is going to test even the most obsessive architecture/optimization geek's skills, for example |
| 00:48.05 | Catfish_Man | nods to Dark_Shikari |
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| 00:48.51 | electrno | x264 would involve la lot of c coding i think as it is codec development |
| 00:49.01 | Catfish_Man | a lot of x86 asm as well |
| 00:49.06 | electrno | yeah |
| 00:49.16 | electrno | that will take time to learn |
| 00:49.27 | Catfish_Man | for myself, when I was involved in GSoC it was as a mentor for Adium |
| 00:49.34 | electrno | ok |
| 00:49.48 | Catfish_Man | which is not so difficult to work on in terms of skills, but is a bit of a shock to students in terms of scale ;) |
| 00:50.01 | electrno | thats f9 |
| 00:50.09 | electrno | if it is fun |
| 00:50.31 | Catfish_Man | so, turning the questions around: what open source software do you use yourself? |
| 00:50.36 | Catfish_Man | what do you think needs improvement? |
| 00:50.44 | electrno | see i have had academic experience in coding (not as a part of course .. more of self taught) |
| 00:50.53 | Catfish_Man | you've given a few examples that seem like decent potential gsoc ideas already |
| 00:51.02 | electrno | i know that |
| 00:51.10 | electrno | but u said that |
| 00:51.40 | electrno | it will be tough to get a proj which start from a basic idea then develops into a code |
| 00:52.04 | Catfish_Man | adding a single large feature to an existing codebase is absolutely in scope for gsoc |
| 00:52.22 | electrno | seems interesting |
| 00:52.31 | electrno | bassically let me shock you |
| 00:52.35 | electrno | i am from india |
| 00:52.49 | electrno | am doing 2nd yr btech in aerospace engineering |
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| 00:53.18 | electrno | but have been doing prorgamming (math tricks and all) since 10 yrs |
| 00:53.28 | Catfish_Man | none of that is shocking at all. It's about normal for #gsoc :P |
| 00:53.43 | electrno | thats y i wanna try for gsoc |
| 00:54.07 | electrno | but when i tried lookiing for project even the ones done last yr |
| 00:54.16 | electrno | with such interest in mind |
| 00:54.44 | electrno | i was leading into a a recursive prob with no base case |
| 00:54.45 | electrno | :) |
| 00:55.06 | electrno | that y i thought to come on irc |
| 00:55.26 | electrno | i think we must not spam the irc like i have been selfishly doing |
| 00:55.52 | electrno | so a pvt chat instead or is this f9 |
| 00:56.26 | Catfish_Man | this is fine. I just think you should look at what software you use, and consider it |
| 00:56.36 | electrno | hmm |
| 00:57.06 | Catfish_Man | worked well for me :) |
| 00:57.23 | Catfish_Man | self taught -> adium -> jive -> adium -> apple |
| 00:57.32 | electrno | eclipse is the only one dat comes to my imnd |
| 00:57.42 | electrno | ehich is potential gsoc mentor |
| 00:58.17 | electrno | srry for typos |
| 00:58.25 | electrno | i make too many of dem |
| 00:59.01 | Catfish_Man | actually you're doing much better than most non-native english speakers. I was a bit harsh earlier because I assumed you were from the US based on speech patterns ;) |
| 00:59.21 | electrno | i told u i am from india |
| 00:59.30 | Catfish_Man | yes, I meant before that |
| 00:59.39 | electrno | just make typos while typing |
| 00:59.47 | electrno | coz i watch on keyboard and type |
| 01:00.33 | electrno | soo.... |
| 01:00.48 | electrno | what should i go for.. |
| 01:01.05 | Catfish_Man | in the end you have to make up your own mind. Eclipse seems like a good idea to me though |
| 01:01.14 | electrno | hmm |
| 01:01.23 | summatusmentis | Eclipse was not a mentoring organization last year, I don't think |
| 01:01.40 | Catfish_Man | that would make that not as good an idea if so ;) |
| 01:01.40 | electrno | basically i am exploring options rit now |
| 01:01.48 | electrno | so as to make a better choice |
| 01:01.49 | electrno | :) |
| 01:02.09 | electrno | afaik eclipse foundation was a mentoring organisation |
| 01:02.24 | electrno | in2k9] |
| 01:02.26 | summatusmentis | I might be wrong, they weren't listed under java on the orgsbylang thing |
| 01:02.28 | summatusmentis | that I saw |
| 01:02.46 | electrno | hmm |
| 01:02.52 | summatusmentis | but I also didn't look that hard |
| 01:02.56 | summatusmentis | I might be wrong |
| 01:03.00 | electrno | is it ok to use hmmin irc |
| 01:03.07 | electrno | hmm in irc |
| 01:03.15 | electrno | there r rules here ithnk |
| 01:03.44 | electrno | i havnt been on irc much actually |
| 01:03.45 | electrno | :) |
| 01:04.01 | summatusmentis | it's addicting, watch yourself :) |
| 01:04.14 | electrno | wots addictiong?? |
| 01:04.54 | summatusmentis | using IRC |
| 01:05.15 | electrno | till now havnt had much of experience |
| 01:06.06 | electrno | which shows that it is addictig |
| 01:08.00 | electrno | i havnt used much software from the organisations in gsoc |
| 01:08.14 | electrno | so i really dont know which way to look |
| 01:08.40 | Catfish_Man | pick something fun then I guess |
| 01:08.56 | electrno | thats wot my aim is |
| 01:08.58 | summatusmentis | when I participated in GSoC, I wa a part of an organization I'd never heard of working on a project I didn't previously know existed |
| 01:09.17 | electrno | but i cant go on searching for it with brute force algorithm |
| 01:09.30 | electrno | so how did u get it |
| 01:09.48 | electrno | or rather given my lack of experience |
| 01:10.20 | summatusmentis | it's a matter of convincing the org you want to work with that you're competent, and that they should use of the limited spots they have on you |
| 01:10.21 | electrno | how do i search for a project and convince the mentors that i am up for the project |
| 01:10.51 | summatusmentis | this means showing a willingness to learn, a willingness to work hard, and a willingness to work with them to meet their goals |
| 01:10.52 | electrno | given my lack of experience.. |
| 01:11.09 | electrno | i know i have it |
| 01:11.12 | electrno | how to show it |
| 01:11.26 | summatusmentis | that's the difficult part |
| 01:11.36 | electrno | yeah |
| 01:11.42 | summatusmentis | if you can get involved now, before the deadlines, you're probably better off |
| 01:11.48 | electrno | but i have the willingness to do dat too |
| 01:12.52 | summatusmentis | there's no magic formula |
| 01:13.20 | summatusmentis | I think if you can show passion, competency, and willingness to learn, you've got a pretty good shot |
| 01:14.08 | electrno | :) |
| 01:14.21 | electrno | so how to aim |
| 01:14.28 | electrno | the shot |
| 01:15.55 | summatusmentis | pick something that matches those |
| 01:16.05 | summatusmentis | if you don't care about what you're working on, you're not going to do well |
| 01:16.26 | summatusmentis | if you flounder a lot, and get in over your head, you're not going to do too well |
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| 01:16.41 | electrno | err..... |
| 01:16.43 | summatusmentis | if you're bored by how easy the project you're working on is, you're likely to pay attention to other things |
| 01:16.46 | electrno | didnt get it |
| 01:16.55 | electrno | simplfy a little |
| 01:17.10 | electrno | ohhhh |
| 01:17.36 | summatusmentis | basically, you should try to pick something that will allow you to be passionate, something that will allow you to not get too stuck, and freak out, and something that you have to stretch a little bit to learn |
| 01:18.04 | electrno | thats wot i am here for |
| 01:18.16 | electrno | looking and asking for suggestions for such a thing |
| 01:18.32 | electrno | if u have such a thing plz suggest it |
| 01:18.40 | summatusmentis | we can suggest things, but only you know your own skill level |
| 01:18.46 | summatusmentis | and only you know what you care about |
| 01:19.02 | electrno | skills can be built |
| 01:19.21 | electrno | well if u wanna |
| 01:19.29 | summatusmentis | it's hard to build the skills in 3 months if you have no pre-requisite knowledge |
| 01:19.38 | electrno | lets talk pvt so that ill tell my skills |
| 01:19.47 | summatusmentis | I don't really have time |
| 01:19.48 | electrno | so that u can bettr suggest me |
| 01:19.53 | summatusmentis | working on a paper |
| 01:20.07 | electrno | wot knid |
| 01:20.12 | electrno | some algo.. |
| 01:20.15 | summatusmentis | for a Spanish literature class |
| 01:20.28 | electrno | ohh |
| 01:20.47 | summatusmentis | the other thing you should consider, many organizations are looking for you to be self-driven |
| 01:21.00 | summatusmentis | and part of that can be shown by seeking them out |
| 01:21.11 | summatusmentis | not waiting for someone to tell you where to look |
| 01:21.16 | electrno | so frnd plz suggest some such organisations |
| 01:21.21 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 01:21.22 | summatusmentis | what do you _want_ to work on? |
| 01:21.30 | Catfish_Man | you don't want him to suggest organizations that want you to be self driven |
| 01:21.35 | Catfish_Man | that would be pretty much automatic "no" |
| 01:22.02 | electrno | hmm |
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| 01:22.29 | electrno | so we r having a motivation talk rather than concerte ideas discussion here ithink? |
| 01:22.47 | summatusmentis | not motivation exactly |
| 01:23.05 | electrno | but on similar lines.. |
| 01:23.34 | summatusmentis | What I'm trying to say is: I don't feel like it's something that we can tell you to look at. Partially because everyone's experiences are different, partially because we don't know you well enough |
| 01:23.40 | electrno | basically fro ideas discussion gsoc page suggested idling on freenode |
| 01:23.56 | summatusmentis | that's one way to get ideas |
| 01:24.07 | electrno | :) |
| 01:24.07 | Catfish_Man | what you get out of it depends on what you put into it |
| 01:24.12 | Catfish_Man | and right now all you're putting in is questions |
| 01:24.20 | Catfish_Man | so you're unlikely to get answers |
| 01:24.27 | summatusmentis | another is to go seek out an org that has been a part of gsoc in the past, see if they're planning on applying this year, and getting to know them |
| 01:25.30 | kpreid | electrno: when I did gsoc, I wrote three project proposals: one of them was from discussions with folks from a project I already knew that was going into gsoc, one of them was just browsing the org list, and the 3rd was a gsoc faq#no-org totally off the wall idea that me and my mentor for that proposal came up with |
| 01:25.47 | kpreid | so, there's three ways to do it :-) |
| 01:26.01 | kpreid | (I wouldn't recommend the 3rd option for you) |
| 01:26.12 | electrno | aah |
| 01:26.23 | kpreid | but I would recommend: browse the org list once it's posted |
| 01:26.24 | electrno | now i am getting somewhere |
| 01:26.35 | electrno | :) |
| 01:26.38 | summatusmentis | my first time was 2. One from an org I was very interested in, and already mildly active in, and One was to an org that found me |
| 01:26.50 | kpreid | pick out the ones which use a language you like and work on something you like |
| 01:26.57 | electrno | ok |
| 01:26.58 | kpreid | then look at their project ideas page and pick one |
| 01:27.02 | summatusmentis | turns out, the org that found me was the one that I worked with, but I don't think that's a common experience |
| 01:27.11 | kpreid | *every org has an ideas page* |
| 01:27.24 | electrno | hmm |
| 01:27.24 | kpreid | but remember...you can't just cut'n'paste in their idea |
| 01:27.29 | Catfish_Man | heh yeah |
| 01:27.32 | Catfish_Man | so many people do that |
| 01:27.33 | Catfish_Man | super annoying |
| 01:27.34 | electrno | so wot u can do to help me is |
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| 01:27.55 | electrno | tell me wot U 3 ppl have worked on in the past |
| 01:27.57 | kpreid | you must flesh it out with what exactly *you* will do, rather than the general thing they list |
| 01:28.08 | electrno | so that ill have a better idea of wot to do |
| 01:28.15 | kpreid | electrno: every project is different |
| 01:28.15 | Catfish_Man | electrno: I already mentioned that I was a mentor |
| 01:28.20 | Catfish_Man | I haven't been a student in gsoc |
| 01:28.22 | kpreid | the only common element is that they involve writing code |
| 01:28.40 | electrno | i am not asking for the common denominator |
| 01:28.58 | electrno | i am just asking for the work that u ppl did or menotred |
| 01:29.19 | electrno | ill figure out wot ill have to do by taking suggestions from it |
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| 01:30.13 | electrno | so plz give links to ur prev projects in gsoc |
| 01:31.00 | summatusmentis | I worked with OpenAFS for the past two summers |
| 01:31.46 | electrno | link to the past project |
| 01:31.50 | electrno | on code.google.com |
| 01:32.02 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 01:32.21 | electrno | @kpried ??? |
| 01:32.55 | kpreid | heh. I don't think that'll help much |
| 01:32.57 | kpreid | http://code.google.com/p/caja-captp/ |
| 01:33.13 | kpreid | that was my project -- it was from scratch, unlike most gsoc work |
| 01:33.39 | electrno | nice to heear dat :) |
| 01:34.28 | electrno | @CM |
| 01:34.33 | electrno | @summ |
| 01:35.08 | kpreid | electrno: btw, a social tip: @whoever is from twitter, it just makes you look like a little kiddie on irc |
| 01:35.45 | electrno | yeah maybecoz i a m |
| 01:36.08 | electrno | but dat doesnt matter i guess |
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| 01:37.31 | kpreid | and make sure to sound professional in your project proposal :) |
| 01:38.05 | electrno | yeah thanks |
| 01:39.17 | electrno | have nyone tried google go |
| 01:39.50 | electrno | fusion of c and python by google |
| 01:40.17 | kpreid | if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be considering using it for a gsoc project |
| 01:40.36 | kpreid | otoh if you could work *on* the google go implementation for gsoc, say... |
| 01:40.44 | electrno | i was interested to know its popularity level |
| 01:41.24 | electrno | coz the lang seems pretty interesting |
| 01:42.21 | electrno | kpreid............ |
| 01:42.28 | kpreid | yeeeeeees? |
| 01:42.53 | electrno | have u tried google go |
| 01:43.10 | electrno | and wot did u mean by working on the implementation of go for gsoc |
| 01:44.20 | electrno | atleast answer the 2nd ques |
| 01:44.33 | kpreid | google go is an open source project, it could be in gsoc. not saying it would be, but it could be |
| 01:44.51 | kpreid | and stop demanding answers. we are not paid help. ask, don't nag. |
| 01:44.51 | electrno | ya so.. |
| 01:45.06 | electrno | i was requesting |
| 01:46.25 | electrno | is there any application /organisation that works on latex |
| 01:46.43 | electrno | ie providing a frontend for latex |
| 01:47.04 | kpreid | the list of orgs for gsoc 2010 hasn't been announced yet, so nobody knows |
| 01:47.16 | electrno | no i meant |
| 01:47.20 | kpreid | you could find such orgs and check/ask if they'll be doing gsoc... |
| 01:47.30 | electrno | the applications for latex |
| 01:47.33 | kpreid | but if you want to know what such orgs are then this is NOT the place to ask |
| 01:47.43 | kpreid | do a little searching. try #latex. etc |
| 01:47.44 | electrno | otherwise it could be a potential project |
| 01:48.02 | electrno | ok |
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| 05:41.21 | skbohra | read some where "Birds are chirping, trees are blooming, and each day is a little longer. This can mean only one thing: Google Summer of Code is upon us" |
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| 05:43.56 | Landon | o.O |
| 05:44.14 | skbohra | hehe |
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| 06:10.32 | fat0ss | what's the chance of Organization selection ? |
| 06:10.46 | summatusmentis | what do you mean? |
| 06:10.57 | fat0ss | I mean I want to apply for Opencv |
| 06:11.13 | summatusmentis | and you're wondering if you'll be accepted? |
| 06:11.16 | summatusmentis | or if they will? |
| 06:11.25 | fat0ss | and Opencv is applying for first time |
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| 06:12.41 | fat0ss | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.57 | summatusmentis | it's hard to know |
| 06:15.02 | summatusmentis | new orgs do get chosen |
| 06:16.30 | fat0ss | I want to work for organization besides that they make it in GSOC or not :-/ |
| 06:16.58 | fat0ss | *made |
| 06:17.20 | Sylvestre | When you apply as a student, you know if they have been selected or not |
| 06:18.06 | fat0ss | Okay |
| 06:18.18 | fat0ss | Thanx! |
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| 06:19.45 | lut4rp | Hail summatusmentis |
| 06:20.28 | summatusmentis | hi lut4rp |
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| 06:50.19 | jaxuber | Hello, I was wondering what sort of background experience you should have befor applying to gsoc? |
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| 08:16.37 | sanyam | What is the ideal way to connect with mentoring organisations ..? |
| 08:17.43 | kblin | check out the mentoring org's website, figure out where their main developer communication channel is and go there |
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| 08:18.19 | kblin | this is usually one or more of the following: Mailing list, IRC, Forum |
| 08:18.53 | sanyam | @kablin :- Thanks.. |
| 08:19.31 | kblin | depends a bit on size, age, geographic spread and target technology of the org |
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| 09:29.56 | vivekn | Hi,I am interested in applying for gsoc,I know java,vb.net and flex,a little bit of python and c++ but I haven't developed anything big yet,I've written a software called aeroFox ( http://www.aero-fox.co.cc ) . Do I stand any chance? |
| 09:36.37 | loupgaroublond | vivekn, are you looking to become a mentoring organisation or are you looking to become a student? |
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| 09:37.01 | vivekn | student |
| 09:37.03 | DylanJ | vivekn: I'm in the same boat as you. |
| 09:37.54 | vivekn | So,do we stand a chance?? |
| 09:38.42 | DylanJ | Not sure yet. |
| 09:39.19 | vivekn | Have you decided on any projects to apply for? |
| 09:39.55 | DylanJ | i haven't seen this years list. |
| 09:40.28 | DylanJ | last year i was thinking about rockbox but i wasn't able to participate. |
| 09:43.06 | skbohra | vivekn: you know so many things, i doubt you will require all of them :) |
| 09:43.40 | loupgaroublond | well, GSoC isn't just a program where you put up your coding skills, but you also should also get to know a particular open source community better |
| 09:44.02 | skbohra | its more about open source love |
| 09:44.06 | DylanJ | GSoC projects seem so intimidating though. |
| 09:44.22 | skbohra | DylanJ: intimidating in sense ? |
| 09:45.04 | loupgaroublond | as a mentor, i wouldn't say that, i pick projects based on what value it brings to the fedora project |
| 09:45.04 | DylanJ | skbohra: I remember reading some of the projects and they seemed like "build a city out over the summer" |
| 09:45.24 | skbohra | DylanJ: seriously your were somewhere else then |
| 09:46.08 | DylanJ | Not literally of course. But I felt as if i needed a ton of knowledge about X project before I could start. |
| 09:46.10 | skbohra | DylanJ: the passed out rate last summer was almost 90% and we didnt build cities |
| 09:46.49 | skbohra | its that you dont work only because you need money |
| 09:47.20 | skbohra | its because you want to give back |
| 09:47.25 | DylanJ | idc about the money, i'd rather learn a project. |
| 09:47.37 | DylanJ | projects are big and complicated and it scares me. |
| 09:48.18 | DylanJ | but i want to help out |
| 09:49.33 | skbohra | DylanJ: start right away, i would suggest |
| 09:50.05 | skbohra | and since you applied last year, you must have got lots of time |
| 09:50.16 | Dark_Shikari | DylanJ: perhaps I need to pastebin something from an email I sent to another prospective student |
| 09:50.28 | Dark_Shikari | http://pastebin.com/PHQ3thga |
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| 09:50.45 | Dark_Shikari | particularly section 2 |
| 09:51.04 | Dark_Shikari | don't be scared of open source |
| 09:51.12 | Dark_Shikari | think of it as what you could be doing, as opposed to what you're worried you won't be able to do. |
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| 09:53.16 | DylanJ | Dark_Shikari: I'm not sure where to start though, for instance you mention x264 and not knowing anything about anything when you started. How did you dive in? |
| 09:53.36 | Dark_Shikari | You dive in by dropping by the IRC channel of the project you're interested |
| 09:53.36 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: thats a nice piece of writing |
| 09:53.39 | Dark_Shikari | *you're interested in |
| 09:53.43 | Dark_Shikari | and asking questions |
| 09:53.49 | Dark_Shikari | grabbing the code, reading it, asking questions. |
| 09:53.58 | Dark_Shikari | try to learn how things work. |
| 09:54.08 | Dark_Shikari | and eventually decide on something small you want to mess with |
| 09:54.12 | Dark_Shikari | Then you go mess with it. |
| 09:54.15 | Dark_Shikari | And thus, your first patch. |
| 09:55.11 | DylanJ | I will try to follow this advice. |
| 09:55.20 | DylanJ | :) |
| 09:55.23 | Dark_Shikari | basically, you have to start somewhere |
| 09:55.30 | Dark_Shikari | my primary advice is to learn to black box things |
| 09:55.42 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. you have a vague idea of what everything else in a program does, but you haven't touched it |
| 09:55.57 | Dark_Shikari | and you "black box it" and don't think about it, so you can focus on the part you want to mess with |
| 09:56.36 | Dark_Shikari | as in the x264 example, two years ago in Summer of Code 2008, part of the qualification task was to mess with the motion search code to show that you could do this |
| 09:56.44 | Dark_Shikari | since it was possible to do that messing without knowing anything else about the program |
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| 10:01.13 | vivekn | Dark_Shikari: So where should we start with? |
| 10:01.21 | Dark_Shikari | Find a project you like and get involved. |
| 10:01.33 | Dark_Shikari | If the project you like doesn't make it easy to jump on IRC and ask questions, find a different project. |
| 10:02.19 | toemaz | vivekn: a project you might like when you have musical interests: http://musescore.org |
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| 10:14.12 | skbohra | i think this is one important aspect of gsoc |
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| 10:29.21 | jermar | hello |
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| 10:36.00 | skbohra | jermar: hello |
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| 11:21.00 | fat0ss | I have some query |
| 11:21.14 | fat0ss | it's kind of weird one |
| 11:22.00 | fat0ss | student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. date from 18 -29 |
| 11:22.10 | fat0ss | and I am not available from 18 to 21 |
| 11:22.38 | fat0ss | this thing matters |
| 11:23.23 | skbohra | fat0ss: its usually normal that mentors talk with student in this period |
| 11:24.02 | skbohra | but also before and after that |
| 11:24.27 | araujo | fat0ss, let's say it is a pretty good period to keep checking your email often |
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| 11:27.06 | mt | fat0ss: You can discuss it after the after the 21st when you're available .. I think this specific starting date is mainly to insure that the organization you're talking has been accepted in gsoc. |
| 11:30.24 | fat0ss | I already start chatting with mentor ..via mailing list |
| 11:34.06 | skbohra | fat0ss: its just a suggestion actually |
| 11:34.15 | mt | fat0ss: That's good .. try to hangout on their irc channel and get involved early too. |
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| 11:35.29 | fat0ss | actually I am trying to participate from the side of OPENCV |
| 11:35.57 | fat0ss | this is first time for opencv too as like me |
| 11:36.19 | fat0ss | on IRC channel i find no one enthusiastic about GSOC :( |
| 11:36.57 | Sylvestre | don't forget time difference, people are not always behind there keyboards etc |
| 11:37.29 | fat0ss | but Mentor responding me in well manor via mailing list |
| 11:38.15 | fat0ss | Sylvestre: if this is for me !.. then sorry for that .. :-| |
| 11:38.51 | Sylvestre | IRC can be pretty frustrating |
| 11:39.42 | lut4rp | Heh |
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| 11:43.57 | skbohra | hah |
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| 11:52.34 | lut4rp | Anyone know of an application design award other than the Apple one? |
| 11:52.54 | lut4rp | The Apple one is kinda... apple-y :) |
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| 12:01.04 | texens | hi |
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| 12:01.45 | texens | whats the difference between a closed and a resolved bug? |
| 12:02.12 | Ivanovic | depends on the project |
| 12:02.14 | lut4rp | 'closed' usually means it was never a bug, just an misunderstood issue. |
| 12:02.26 | lut4rp | 'resolved' goes for a bug that was fixed |
| 12:02.36 | lut4rp | We use closed and fixed for Drupal. |
| 12:03.00 | Ivanovic | at wesnoth we close bug reports after the fixes are included in a release |
| 12:03.24 | Ivanovic | that is: the status says if it is fixed or not, if the bug report is not closed yet it means that you only get it in svn head |
| 12:04.50 | lut4rp | Interesting. |
| 12:05.01 | texens | I'm new to community coding and really appreciate if someone could give me an overview(or a link) of how the bug cycle works.. |
| 12:05.17 | Ivanovic | texens: you should ask this at the respective project |
| 12:05.23 | Dark_Shikari | it depends entirely on the project |
| 12:05.24 | Ivanovic | every project handles things differently! |
| 12:05.29 | Dark_Shikari | every project has its own way of doing things |
| 12:05.59 | Dark_Shikari | for example, we don't have bug reports, we have IRC and forums, and people post about bugs, and we fix them |
| 12:06.05 | texens | thanks I'll ask on the project's channel :-) |
| 12:06.19 | lut4rp | texens, If it helps, http://drupal.org/node/156119 is how we handle it at Drupal. |
| 12:06.34 | Sylvestre | I don't have any bugs in my project. no worries then |
| 12:06.46 | lut4rp | :) |
| 12:10.19 | texens | lut4rp: thanks for the link |
| 12:10.39 | lut4rp | sure. |
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| 13:25.41 | daurnimator | hi al |
| 13:25.48 | daurnimator | *all :P |
| 13:26.21 | daurnimator | wondering what the status for south hemisphereian types is in regards to being a student... |
| 13:26.46 | daurnimator | I remember I looked at doing GSoC in previous years, but found that australian students were not allowed |
| 13:26.59 | daurnimator | i find no such comment this time around |
| 13:27.16 | Dark_Shikari | australian students not allowed? o.0 |
| 13:27.20 | araujo | hi |
| 13:27.23 | iTweek | hey |
| 13:29.13 | iTweek | daurnimator: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility , dunno if that helps Oo |
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| 13:30.45 | daurnimator | well, by the act of ommittance, I assume its allowed |
| 13:31.06 | araujo | really?... I don't remember that from previous years |
| 13:31.16 | daurnimator | a problem is though, that I do have uni on for the period of the soc |
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| 13:33.29 | daurnimator | oh well, assuming i can do the soc; anyone able to help me with looking up possible projects? or is it too early for that |
| 13:36.23 | araujo | not sure what kind of help you would expect to receive for that, pretty much the student choose the project he/she wants to participate |
| 13:37.31 | daurnimator | true |
| 13:37.51 | araujo | best advice is to check for projects/organizations around topics that are interesting for you |
| 13:39.13 | daurnimator | well my favorite thing by far is programming with lua, or doing things with lua... so I'm sort of hoping to find a project thats wanting to implement some sort of user scripting thing, or similar |
| 13:39.45 | araujo | good thing about gsoc is that Google chooses a wide variety of different organizations, so you pretty much have a chance to find something of your interest there |
| 13:41.23 | araujo | !orgsbylang |
| 13:41.23 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 13:42.51 | araujo | daurnimator, that list could give you an idea of previous gsoc2009 languages choice |
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| 13:43.35 | daurnimator | araujo: only one mention of lua on that whole site and its an old vlc project :P |
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| 13:48.17 | araujo | daurnimator, you already went through all the organizations? |
| 13:48.30 | daurnimator | i used the big search button |
| 13:48.38 | araujo | this is kind of an unofficial statistic list |
| 13:48.44 | araujo | not good enough |
| 13:49.09 | araujo | many projects could have not the language as a tag |
| 13:49.22 | araujo | best is to glance on the orgs pages |
| 13:49.26 | araujo | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 13:49.46 | araujo | this is 2009 of course, glancing over it can give you an idea for this year too |
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| 13:56.51 | roide | things, lua can also be found for nmap |
| 13:58.24 | roide | s/things/thinks |
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| 14:04.20 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 14:04.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 17:40.50 | neothor7 | 'neone there ? |
| 17:41.23 | blast007 | best to just ask a specific question if you have one :) |
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| 17:43.41 | neothor2 | whats the duration of gsoc ? |
| 17:44.00 | neothor2 | wen 'll registration open? |
| 17:44.12 | jmb | !timeline |
| 17:44.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 17:44.15 | schumaml | read the faq? |
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| 17:46.29 | neothor2 | which mentoring orgs are prefrerred if i have interest in graphics desgin ? |
| 17:47.12 | neothor2 | ? |
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| 18:26.14 | Lennie | hi |
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| 19:07.06 | nmudgal | these links in the topic does not work ! Try seperating that hyphen from the link ! |
| 19:08.05 | *** topic/#gsoc by scorche -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 19:08.56 | nmudgal | scorche: the links still includes hyphen |
| 19:09.06 | blast007 | nmudgal: they are not touching the links |
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| 19:09.27 | nmudgal | try clicking on the links i think they are |
| 19:09.28 | scorche | the links work for me...check how your client interprets links |
| 19:10.03 | nmudgal | scorche: Okay ! |
| 19:10.13 | blast007 | hmm, though I guess PuTTYTray *is* in fact joining the hyphens into the link. weird. |
| 19:10.24 | nmudgal | scorche: by the way i was using webchat.freenode.net |
| 19:10.50 | schumaml | chatzilla doesn't like the missing space in things like "FAQs:http://bit...." |
| 19:11.19 | schumaml | but otherwise it works fine |
| 19:12.08 | nmudgal | schumaml: hmm but not here ;) |
| 19:15.37 | blast007 | hmm, those spaces don't seem to be normal spaces. When I copy the topic and then replace the space, it doesn't join the - |
| 19:16.50 | blast007 | they show up as ASCII code 160 instead of 32 |
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| 19:19.07 | nmudgal | blast007: you got me ! |
| 19:20.25 | blast007 | scorche: if you replace the spaces after each link, it should work |
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| 19:23.32 | schumaml | 160 == U+00A0? |
| 19:26.40 | blast007 | schumaml: yeah |
| 19:27.04 | schumaml | non-break space |
| 19:28.56 | nmudgal | there is a bug in the topic :) |
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| 19:33.11 | Lennie | please dial customer support :P |
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| 19:36.36 | nmudgal | Lennie: lol |
| 19:37.33 | Lennie | what's wrong with it :)? |
| 19:40.21 | schumaml | 1-800-GOOGLE? |
| 19:40.45 | Lennie | :P |
| 19:42.11 | nmudgal | 1-800-nmudgal :) |
| 19:42.11 | nmudgal | pufferfish ate it :P |
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| 19:42.21 | blast007 | Lennie: the spaces after the URLs are not normal spaces. they are non-breaking spaces, which makes some IRC clients join the space and the - into the URL |
| 19:42.27 | blast007 | they need to be replaced with normal spaces |
| 19:42.54 | *** topic/#gsoc by Lennie -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 19:42.57 | schumaml | well, that's not a silly as it sounds - it would be interesting to know the reply of a google support hotline about this problem |
| 19:42.59 | Lennie | like this? |
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| 19:43.06 | blast007 | looks good :) awesome |
| 19:43.11 | blast007 | thx |
| 19:43.14 | Lennie | yw |
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| 22:33.56 | scorche | those still are not normal spaces, me thinks... |
| 22:35.49 | ssbr | It shouldn't be hard to ensure they're normal. |
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| 23:05.17 | *** topic/#gsoc by scorche -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwds - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
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| 23:07.31 | scorche | ssbr: or so one would think ;) |
| 23:07.57 | ssbr | guaranteed fix: ' '.join("Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - 8 March: Mentoring Organizations Applications Open - Timeline: http://bit.ly/adul79 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwds - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too!".split()) |
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| 23:08.37 | scorche | it *should* be fine now |
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| 23:30.32 | tierra | scorche: it's fixed, thanks |
| 23:31.26 | tierra | I thought that was weird that PuTTYtray was including spaces in it's URL regex |
| 23:31.34 | tierra | turns out it wasn't |
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