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| 02:29.54 | victortyau | hello guys |
| 02:29.58 | victortyau | how are you |
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| 02:32.47 | anth_x | good here. |
| 02:34.26 | victortyau | ok |
| 02:34.31 | victortyau | auth_X |
| 02:35.01 | victortyau | when did you participate in gsoc |
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| 02:39.14 | anth_x | unofficial backup mentor in 2007, admin and backup mentor in 2009. |
| 02:39.52 | codestasher | anth_x which org? |
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| 02:41.19 | victortyau | since 2007 |
| 02:41.41 | victortyau | good |
| 02:42.31 | anth_x | codestasher: plan9 |
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| 02:44.10 | victortyau | are you students |
| 02:44.47 | anth_x | while i'm only about a third of the way through a degree, i haven't been a student for quite some time. |
| 02:44.50 | skbohra | everyone is , in some sense |
| 02:44.59 | anth_x | ah, true enough. |
| 02:45.20 | codestasher | those who wanna learn are students here :) |
| 02:45.51 | anth_x | of course, not as far as GSoC is concerned. :-) |
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| 10:46.47 | sonne | is it already now possible to register a mentoring organization? |
| 10:47.21 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 10:47.21 | socinfo | "next" is Mentoring organizations can submit their applications for GSoC2010 on March 8th, see http://bit.ly/9hFpcb |
| 11:09.22 | sonne | Ivanovic, I assume that this means I cannot just register a mentoring organization before that date |
| 11:10.03 | Ivanovic | yeah, submission of the orgs (which includes registration and whatever) is between 8th and 1th march |
| 11:10.36 | sonne | Inc, kthxbye |
| 11:10.53 | Ivanovic | s/1th/12th |
| 11:14.24 | kblin | Ivanovic: I was about to say ERANGE :) |
| 11:20.31 | Ivanovic | pah |
| 11:20.36 | Ivanovic | this was intentional |
| 11:20.42 | Ivanovic | make people the this strange doc: |
| 11:20.44 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 11:20.44 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 11:20.55 | Ivanovic | s/the/read |
| 11:21.04 | Ivanovic | yeah, it is too early for me to really be awake... |
| 11:21.06 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 13:12.59 | aniceberg | is there already a list of mentor organisations applying for gsoc2010 along with their project list? |
| 13:14.20 | downeym | Not yet - the org's apply next week |
| 13:15.12 | downeym | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 14:14.59 | ihalip | there is an *unofficial* list tho, check out the google grup |
| 14:15.53 | downeym | which group? |
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| 14:17.28 | ihalip | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss |
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| 14:34.21 | aniceberg | ihalip: thank you |
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| 14:36.01 | ihalip | np |
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| 15:16.34 | Nils^ | I was advised that I should apply with my project (GNU Denemo) under the GNU umbrella. But it seems GNU is uninterested to participate. |
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| 15:18.39 | loupgaroublond | Nils^, that's unfortunate |
| 15:19.11 | loupgaroublond | Nils^, is your project an official gnu project? |
| 15:19.15 | Nils^ | yes it is |
| 15:19.39 | loupgaroublond | and you're looking to be a mentor for the project? |
| 15:19.52 | loupgaroublond | or, well, get a slot within gnu |
| 15:21.21 | Nils^ | Mentor or Admin. Not myself but my fellow developer. But I'll do the talk for now until we come to the official part. |
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| 15:22.40 | loupgaroublond | sounds pretty bad if your umbrella org won't give you the time of day |
| 15:24.03 | Nils^ | well what should we do. We, as in "The Software Project" want, but GNU itself does not want to. It seems last year it was the same. |
| 15:24.16 | Nils^ | Gnome, Mono, Gimp... all on their own |
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| 15:24.46 | loupgaroublond | gotcha |
| 15:25.44 | loupgaroublond | i'm not a google employee, so don't take this as any significant advice, but i think the best is to apply as an individual organisation, and perhaps send a googler an email about this, i would like to say send leslie an email, but she gets alot on her desk as it is |
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| 15:31.18 | downeym | Nils^: Gnome, Mono, and Gimp are all their own individual projects |
| 15:31.37 | danderson | Nils^: apply for your individual project |
| 15:31.47 | downeym | +1 :) |
| 15:31.59 | danderson | possibly very briefly (1 sentence) state that you're applying individually because GNU as a whole isn't interested in participating |
| 15:33.40 | Nils^ | danderson: ok, I'll do that. I wonder why we are GNU in the first place... but thats a differen story |
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| 15:35.50 | Nils^ | phoney proposals? |
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| 18:50.52 | lneto | Hi Folks, I'd like to know if is possible apply to Google SoC to work in my own free software project, is it possible? |
| 18:51.28 | lneto | that already exists.. |
| 18:51.46 | ihalip | not quite |
| 18:51.51 | ihalip | because you can't be your own mentor |
| 18:52.04 | lut4rp | lneto, if someone else from the org mentors you, I think you can |
| 18:52.06 | Dark_Shikari | "your own" project could involve multiple people though |
| 18:52.13 | lut4rp | I've seen cases where committers have worked as students. |
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| 18:52.30 | Dark_Shikari | yes, that's not uncommon |
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| 18:53.22 | lut4rp | hopes someday one of his pet projects will be a GSoC org :) |
| 18:53.48 | lneto | Dark_Shikari: it could |
| 18:54.07 | lneto | Dark_Shikari: but, in time, it is a solo project |
| 18:55.47 | lneto | I don't know how proceed |
| 18:56.11 | lneto | Do I need to apply as mentoring organization too? |
| 18:56.18 | Dark_Shikari | start by looking around for your missing prepositions |
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| 19:00.52 | schumaml | checks if the 'mentored by google' option is still available |
| 19:01.14 | schumaml | that would probably be the only way to work on a solo project as a student |
| 19:01.27 | lneto | Dark_Shikari: I din't understand, my missing prepositions? |
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| 19:05.29 | schumaml | lneto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preposition |
| 19:06.06 | schumaml | seems like Dark_Shikari decided to be a grammar na^wzealot today ;) |
| 19:08.45 | lneto | schumaml: thank you.. |
| 19:09.15 | lneto | Dark_Shikari: I don't know how to proceed... |
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| 19:09.28 | dhaun | lneto: I don't think you would stand a chance if you applied as a 1-person organisation |
| 19:09.29 | lneto | Is it better now? =p |
| 19:09.45 | dhaun | but maybe there's an umbrealla org you could use? |
| 19:10.34 | Dark_Shikari | you'd still need different mentor/student |
| 19:10.34 | lneto | dhaun: that is what I was thinking about |
| 19:10.38 | Dark_Shikari | of course, you could be the mentor, and get a student |
| 19:10.45 | Dark_Shikari | umbrella orgs are useful though, we use one |
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| 19:11.28 | lneto | I know that Google was doing this role in past years |
| 19:11.47 | lneto | Dark_Shikari: what org? |
| 19:11.51 | Dark_Shikari | videolan |
| 19:12.06 | schumaml | but google did it only for exectional projects |
| 19:12.17 | dhaun | I was thinking more of orgs like the Python Foundation or KDE |
| 19:12.28 | dhaun | depends on what your project is about |
| 19:12.42 | schumaml | something like 'implementing a web searching algorithm that will help you to crush the competition' might get their attention |
| 19:13.08 | schumaml | if you can back up your claims with facts |
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| 19:13.38 | schumaml | s/exectional/exceptional/ |
| 19:15.04 | ihalip | schumaml: :P |
| 19:15.49 | lneto | understand |
| 19:15.56 | schumaml | btw, besides it being obvious, is there something in the faq (or elsewhere in soc) about not being allowed to be your own mentor? |
| 19:16.02 | ihalip | yes there is |
| 19:16.10 | ihalip | !faq |
| 19:16.10 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 19:17.03 | schumaml | ihalip: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#mentor_and_student ? |
| 19:17.23 | ihalip | yeah, there it is |
| 19:17.25 | schumaml | "not to allow participants to act as a mentor to *another* GSoC student" |
| 19:18.01 | schumaml | I hate to imagine what a lawyer or law student could make out of this |
| 19:18.03 | ihalip | hm |
| 19:18.12 | lneto | I was thinking about my professor (R. Ierusalimshcy) be my mentor.. |
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| 20:54.55 | meonkeys | sweet, just fininshed our ideas page: http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/SoC2010Ideas . Wish #mifos luck! :) |
| 20:55.06 | meonkeys | (luck getting accepted, that is) |
| 20:56.39 | downeym | just finished http://openmrs.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2010 ;-) |
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| 20:57.50 | Dark_Shikari | plugs http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_x264_2010 |
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| 20:58.39 | meonkeys | downeym: hi there! I'm Adam Monsen, a dev on Mifos. I know Justin Miranda, Daruis, and Ben Wolfe. |
| 20:58.47 | meonkeys | (can I drop names or what?) |
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| 21:01.45 | rohananil | meonkeys: http://www.mifos.org/developers/how-mifos-is-used doesnt work |
| 21:02.29 | Dark_Shikari | !timeline |
| 21:02.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 21:03.12 | meonkeys | rohananil: d'oh! thanks |
| 21:03.38 | ojwb | meonkeys: it would be more useful to drop ones I'd heard of... |
| 21:03.41 | meonkeys | rohananil: moved to http://www.mifos.org/about/how-mifos-is-used ... I'll fix the link. |
| 21:04.07 | meonkeys | ojwb: I was giving you the chance to meet new awesome folks, the OpenMRS guys! :) |
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| 21:05.07 | ojwb | ah, I thought you meant in the sense of "name dropping" |
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| 21:05.52 | meonkeys | well, ok, I admit I changed direction there midstream. |
| 21:06.00 | meonkeys | Or maybe I was just pretending like they are famous. |
| 21:06.22 | komputes | lh: Hi Leslie!! |
| 21:07.46 | downeym | meonkeys: Hey, nice to meet you :) |
| 21:09.18 | downeym | meonkeys: they are minor celebrities around here ... at least in their own minds |
| 21:13.53 | meonkeys | :) |
| 21:14.10 | meonkeys | hey, anyone in here have a contact at flossmanuals.net? |
| 21:15.41 | meonkeys | I'm trying to make sure our manual is written in a beautiful/collaborative way, but I have to convince our manual writers not to use MS Word... but it seems like the current admin who can let us start writing the manual might be on vacation... ( http://lists.flossmanuals.net/pipermail/discuss-flossmanuals.net/2010-March/003053.html ) |
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| 21:16.33 | ojwb | meonkeys: I worked with Adam on the mentoring manual sprint |
| 21:16.47 | ojwb | and I know Douglas via wellington pm |
| 21:17.08 | meonkeys | cool. |
| 21:17.46 | meonkeys | Well, if you wouldn't mind pinging either... I think it might be critical to avoiding our manual being imprisoned in MS Word. |
| 21:18.10 | meonkeys | If you're not comfortable doing this, no worries. |
| 21:18.39 | meonkeys | I was so stoked to see the result of the GSoC Mentoring Guide book sprint. Awesome! |
| 21:18.44 | ojwb | unless they've finished the new software, the flossmanuals tools are a bit clunky, but they do the job well enough |
| 21:19.13 | ojwb | I think adam is the guy you need |
| 21:19.24 | meonkeys | ojwb: oh? any specific limitations you found particularly, uh, limiting? |
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| 21:21.50 | ojwb | not really limiting as such. It's a heavily hacked version of twiki, and with hindsight that probably wasn't the ideal starting point |
| 21:21.56 | ojwb | but the real magic is the process |
| 21:23.41 | ojwb | meonkeys: probably your best bet is just to start in HTML |
| 21:23.51 | ojwb | that's what it uses currently |
| 21:24.10 | ojwb | I think <H1> is used for chapter headings, otherwise there's nothing special |
| 21:24.46 | meonkeys | ok, cool. |
| 21:31.03 | ojwb | meonkeys: oh, and one HTML document per chapter |
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| 21:31.16 | meonkeys | ok. |
| 21:32.32 | r0bby|android | is baffled w/ people's inability to follow simple directions |
| 21:35.19 | WinterMute | has got to the stage where he's really not surprised any more |
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| 22:06.49 | Jolia | Need help about GSoC |
| 22:07.27 | dhaun | ask question, get help :) |
| 22:10.33 | Jolia | If I sign in for GSoC I'll code in june, july and august ? |
| 22:11.12 | dhaun | that's the idea |
| 22:11.19 | Jolia | Okay nice |
| 22:11.39 | Jolia | And if I don't have the level, will I get kick ? |
| 22:12.01 | schumaml | level? |
| 22:12.06 | dhaun | not sure what you mean by level |
| 22:12.14 | Jolia | Level as coder, the skill |
| 22:13.05 | Jolia | So ? |
| 22:13.07 | dhaun | if you don't have the skills, you're probably not getting accepted in the first place |
| 22:13.47 | Jolia | So there are selections ? |
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| 22:13.56 | dhaun | but there are all sorts of projects, requiring all levels of skills, so you should be able to find something for you |
| 22:13.57 | schumaml | have you read the faq? |
| 22:14.34 | Jolia | Where can I see the projects ? |
| 22:14.50 | downeym | The organizations haven't been selected yet. |
| 22:14.52 | schumaml | takes this as a no |
| 22:15.25 | schumaml | reading the faq is one of the skill necessary to succeed |
| 22:16.15 | Jolia | Okay, and can I quit the project if I can't continue ? |
| 22:16.23 | Jolia | Can't follow sorry |
| 22:16.30 | schumaml | !faq |
| 22:16.30 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 22:16.52 | downeym | Read that page, it should answer many of your questions :) |
| 22:17.06 | dhaun | Jolia: if you don't think you can do it, you shouldn't apply |
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| 22:17.41 | Jolia | Ok |
| 22:18.03 | dhaun | is sounding so negative today ... |
| 22:18.49 | dhaun | I mean, it's a great program and a great chance to learn a lot - don't always think about failing or dropping out. think positive :) |
| 22:20.43 | Jolia | Okay ,oce |
| 22:20.57 | Jolia | ANd what's about developping environnemnt |
| 22:21.11 | Jolia | Must we use windose or crap like that ? |
| 22:21.31 | dhaun | depends on the project you're working on |
| 22:21.49 | Jolia | Ok :s |
| 22:22.06 | Jolia | So atm we can't see the projects right ? |
| 22:22.24 | downeym | Once the organizations are posted, you apply to do a project that has something you want to do :) |
| 22:22.24 | schumaml | btw, comments like "windose or crap like that" would earn you an instant "ineligible" in our org ;) |
| 22:23.29 | dhaun | Jolia: here's a list of orgs that think about applying: http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://is.gd/9LsV3&usg=AFQjCNHz9KYDrMJqbSuSE0AhtSGaLJQEBg |
| 22:23.44 | thebolt | schumaml: you're from winlibre? :) |
| 22:23.53 | Jolia | thx dhaun |
| 22:23.55 | schumaml | no, gimp |
| 22:24.21 | thebolt | schumaml: ok :) |
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| 22:26.53 | Jolia | My wish would be "debian" ofc |
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| 22:30.12 | schumaml | installer cross build, bit toorent for (iso?) images, private package archives |
| 22:30.18 | schumaml | torrent |
| 22:31.47 | schumaml | their bit torrent proposal doesn't read like a coding project, though |
| 22:32.35 | sreich | hm..Qt is thinking about a gsoc? interesting.. |
| 22:33.22 | schumaml | well, can't just about anyone add something there? |
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| 22:48.55 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' all |
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| 23:35.13 | MatthewWilkes | If you like awesome CGI owls with australian accents: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810150180/trailer |
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