| 00:05.31 | MatthewWilkes | Landon: If you're interested, the river wave I was talking about the other day was the largest one for 8 years. Apparently the people that got up at the crack of dawn to get down there had a great time. |
| 00:06.07 | MatthewWilkes | Landon: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_8550000/8550795.stm - video at 1:20 |
| 00:06.10 | Landon | what was the name of it again? |
| 00:06.11 | Landon | aha |
| 00:06.13 | Landon | that works too |
| 00:07.05 | Landon | heh |
| 00:07.39 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome, huh? |
| 00:07.46 | Landon | yeah |
| 00:08.07 | Landon | would be cool if they had a Big Picture feature on it though :p |
| 00:08.08 | Landon | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/ |
| 00:09.29 | MatthewWilkes | Landon: Quick flickr search found: http://www.flickr.com/photos/severnestuary/with/4407897585/ |
| 00:09.48 | Landon | nice |
| 00:09.49 | MatthewWilkes | first page and a bit of the 2nd are all this week's one |
| 00:09.52 | Landon | gotta go pie shopping now though :( |
| 00:09.58 | Landon | some early pi day festivities |
| 00:13.37 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: it made the tv news here in nz |
| 00:13.45 | MatthewWilkes | really? |
| 00:14.09 | MatthewWilkes | I was surprised to see it on bbc news at all |
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| 00:35.49 | Phoenix_ | this a bad time? don't tell me that its friday night, if we have time for gsoc then we don't have lives :)\ |
| 00:36.33 | MatthewWilkes | Of course we're here ;) |
| 00:37.05 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: yeah, they had some footage from a guy on a surfboard with a helmet cam |
| 00:37.14 | ojwb | and it seemed they were elbow to elbow |
| 00:37.50 | Phoenix_ | past two years i've thought really hard about submitting a proposal, but never did. but this year i'm getting started early so I can get it done |
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| 00:48.16 | Phoenix_ | i'm not currently involved with any of the projects so it was basically impossible to get up to speed in time |
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| 02:51.00 | nhandler | I'm not sure who to talk to, but someone with access to the code.google.com/soc pages should s/Freenode/freenode/g |
| 02:53.02 | robbyoconnor | nhandler: really doesn't matter :P |
| 02:53.12 | robbyoconnor | you have OCD That much eh? |
| 02:54.18 | nhandler | robbyoconnor: I personally could care less. But if Google is mentioning freenode by name, they should at least do it properly |
| 02:54.42 | robbyoconnor | it doesn't matter honestly |
| 02:56.53 | ojwb | just use google as a verb, that'll show em |
| 03:00.02 | MatthewWilkes | nhandler: I think there are very few people that have access to change that page. If I'm thinking of the right thing, it requires editing the page and then getting somebody to schedule a push of new content up to the servers, which is part of the reason most of the SoC stuff is now on the melange instance |
| 03:00.59 | MatthewWilkes | nhandler: I think Leslie would be the best person to mail if it is important, but it'd probably be nice if it wasn't that important to you :P |
| 03:01.33 | nhandler | MatthewWilkes: It isn't a major issue by any means. I just thought I would point it out |
| 03:02.59 | MatthewWilkes | nhandler: If it was a page on socghop then it'd be easy to fix, I'm just not sure about code.g.c/soc - wish I could be more helpful |
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| 03:14.15 | meanburrito920_ | ojwb: it's freenode for xchat here |
| 03:15.29 | ReDucTor | its FreeNode or YChat |
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| 04:45.35 | robbyoconnor | !orgsbylang |
| 04:45.35 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 07:24.58 | robbyoconnor | Next person who sends a request to view the spread sheet w/o reading the list archives gets flamed i swear |
| 07:25.07 | robbyoconnor | I'm on the verge of deleting it entirely |
| 07:25.25 | ReDucTor | starts writing hsi request |
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| 07:25.34 | robbyoconnor | mind if i do it here |
| 07:25.41 | robbyoconnor | im too lazy to email you |
| 07:25.46 | robbyoconnor | kicks ReDucTor in his ball |
| 07:25.48 | ReDucTor | lol |
| 07:26.05 | ihalip | robbyoconnor, what spreadsheet? :P |
| 07:26.08 | robbyoconnor | I'd push you off a bridge but that's reserved for ankitg |
| 07:26.21 | robbyoconnor | ihalip: gsoc discussion list :P |
| 07:26.26 | ihalip | i know, i know |
| 07:26.56 | Nightrose | robbyoconnor: the spreadsheet has kde twice now - no idea who filled in the second one |
| 07:26.58 | robbyoconnor | if people don't read the discussion list, i say they shouldn't being soc :) |
| 07:27.02 | Nightrose | could you fix that when you have time? |
| 07:27.23 | robbyoconnor | fixed. |
| 07:27.37 | Nightrose | thx a bunch :) |
| 07:27.44 | robbyoconnor | I'm just about fed up |
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| 07:27.56 | robbyoconnor | I'm thinking of doing a canned response: "Idiot." |
| 07:28.02 | Nightrose | heh |
| 07:28.04 | robbyoconnor | but that's mean. |
| 07:28.04 | Nightrose | that bad? |
| 07:28.15 | robbyoconnor | I've gotten easily about 8 or 9 i think |
| 07:28.26 | Nightrose | hands robbyoconnor some chocolate to make up for it |
| 07:28.36 | robbyoconnor | mind you i even posted in a *NEW* message the *NEW* url which is read-only |
| 07:28.52 | Nightrose | seen it yea |
| 07:29.08 | robbyoconnor | I'm just fed up -- sorry for venting -- I've also let it be known in the messages that I felt that these students aren't fit for summer of code -- said it in one) |
| 07:29.46 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 07:29.49 | Nightrose | yea probably |
| 07:30.08 | robbyoconnor | simple research skills -- if you dont have them -- you probably need to reconsider your career path |
| 07:30.32 | robbyoconnor | </rant> |
| 07:30.38 | robbyoconnor | believe me, i've been downright mean |
| 07:30.43 | ihalip | that's not even research, it's just reading a few forum posts |
| 07:30.51 | robbyoconnor | yeh. |
| 07:31.05 | robbyoconnor | open up the groups page -- the web page it's right there on the FRONT PAGE!! |
| 07:31.17 | robbyoconnor | "I don't get em mailed to me" |
| 07:31.21 | Nightrose | should keep a list of no-go students probably just as her mentor no-go list |
| 07:31.24 | robbyoconnor | B.S. you got the link in the first page. |
| 07:31.55 | ihalip | i also like all the students that post on the list asking for help over e-mail :) |
| 07:32.17 | robbyoconnor | there's one who's not even competent in programming -- that student doesn't stand a chance in hell. |
| 07:32.34 | robbyoconnor | .. I may be mentored by a fellow 2008 collegue lol |
| 07:32.39 | robbyoconnor | this should be interesting LOL |
| 07:32.57 | ReDucTor | lol |
| 07:33.13 | ihalip | would love to see that |
| 07:33.53 | Nightrose | too but decides to go shopping instead |
| 07:34.51 | ihalip | robbyoconnor: will you be mentoring this year for any org: |
| 07:34.56 | ihalip | *? |
| 07:38.55 | robbyoconnor | hat trick |
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| 09:26.48 | Jolia | !organisations |
| 09:26.49 | socinfo | Error: "organisations" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:28.31 | Jolia | !organizations |
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| 09:28.34 | Jolia | !organization |
| 09:28.34 | socinfo | Error: "organization" is not a valid command. |
| 09:28.53 | scorche | Jolia: need some help? |
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| 09:29.40 | dhaun | try http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 09:29.42 | Jolia | Yes please |
| 09:29.59 | Jolia | Thx, that's it :) |
| 09:30.43 | dhaun | !orgs |
| 09:30.43 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 09:31.05 | Jolia | Thanks dhaun |
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| 10:06.17 | Phoenix_ | Anybody here happen to be from the x.org, llvm, swig, ogre, or haiku projects? |
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| 10:16.09 | marcheu | Phoenix_: yes |
| 10:16.20 | marcheu | (X.Org) |
| 10:18.30 | Phoenix_ | i was looking the project ideas for x.org, particularly anything involving opengl |
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| 12:54.03 | headache | hi |
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| 12:59.32 | headache | someone could explain me the selections criterions for candidate to apply to some floss organizations? |
| 12:59.49 | headache | thanks in advance |
| 13:02.09 | dhaun | those are made by the orgs, so check their requirements |
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| 13:02.44 | dhaun | generally speaking, you should probably be familiar with the programming language they use and have an idea what the project is about and what their goals are |
| 13:06.48 | skbohra | dhaun: and in general org should be convinced that you will stay with org even after gsoc |
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| 13:06.51 | skbohra | oops |
| 13:06.56 | skbohra | headache: ^ |
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| 13:08.05 | headache | i have read that some organizations would that students applicants submit patches for their app |
| 13:08.27 | skbohra | that's the process |
| 13:08.37 | skbohra | to analyze above things |
| 13:08.38 | skbohra | :) |
| 13:08.52 | headache | i thik that is a bit weird because it's difficult for a student to submit patches |
| 13:09.05 | lut4rp | yes, its a headache at times :P |
| 13:09.17 | Nightrose | and you think it is easier to get your gsoc project done later? ;-) |
| 13:09.19 | dhaun | there are always "easy" tasks in every project's bugtracker ... |
| 13:09.20 | headache | a student who don't know the project or opensource development process |
| 13:09.43 | lut4rp | Well, usually, the patch process is for those organizations that require a higher level of competency |
| 13:09.45 | headache | lut4rp, :D |
| 13:09.48 | lut4rp | like ffmpeg and Minix |
| 13:09.50 | dhaun | in fact, I'm just adding a few of those to our bugtracker, for potential GSoC students :) |
| 13:09.51 | Nightrose | headache: most of the projects will help you if you have problems |
| 13:10.00 | lut4rp | Right, they're very friendly |
| 13:11.05 | headache | mmm maybe i need a good luck charm |
| 13:11.06 | skbohra | drupal is one of them |
| 13:11.24 | headache | i have found 3 projects that i could be envolved |
| 13:11.33 | headache | but none of them seems friendly to me |
| 13:11.45 | headache | my technical skills are in java |
| 13:11.46 | skbohra | I see |
| 13:11.55 | headache | i know java 5 and junit 4.x |
| 13:12.00 | skbohra | I don't generally hear this :) |
| 13:12.04 | headache | practiced a bit of test driven development |
| 13:12.23 | headache | but i've never worked in a real projct |
| 13:12.36 | headache | only pet project in university courses |
| 13:12.56 | lut4rp | I'm sure your TDD experience will be a plus :) |
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| 13:13.09 | lut4rp | more the tests, the merrier :) |
| 13:13.23 | headache | i found XWiki could be a good start |
| 13:13.33 | headache | but i have no web development experience |
| 13:14.04 | headache | i talk to developer they help me with building from sources and execute XWiki locally |
| 13:14.25 | headache | but they don't help me when i ask them how to import and execute project in eclipse |
| 13:14.46 | headache | and generally how to hack with sources |
| 13:15.02 | headache | there's the only method to help or correct some easy bug |
| 13:15.19 | headache | ... |
| 13:15.34 | headache | i've sent an email to BioJava mailing list |
| 13:15.42 | headache | but i've received no answers |
| 13:15.45 | skbohra | headache: are you complaining about the org here ? |
| 13:16.22 | headache | skbohra, no i would really find an organization that help me contributing in some manner |
| 13:17.20 | skbohra | headache: imho, this is another thing that gsoc teaches us |
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| 13:17.42 | headache | skbohra, i'm trying to understand if GSoC is viable to me |
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| 13:18.44 | headache | for a student with no work experience in development field |
| 13:18.59 | headache | maybe i'm just ranting... |
| 13:19.14 | skbohra | this isn't a good place for that |
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| 13:19.41 | skbohra | we are generally happy people here :D |
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| 13:20.25 | headache | skbohra, i'm too but i'm a bit discouraged |
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| 13:22.45 | dhaun | headache: discouraged by the behavior of one or two orgs? or just in general? |
| 13:23.10 | Lennie | :D |
| 13:23.25 | headache | i'don't know if my skills are appropriate |
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| 13:24.04 | headache | dhaun, for me orgs make great work but some of them search for ready guys |
| 13:24.36 | Trademark | yeah, what are the required skills ? I know it's depend of the org but someone in the first year of informatic can do somth ? |
| 13:24.46 | dhaun | but there are also easier projects in GSoC |
| 13:25.11 | dhaun | we explicitly picked a beginner as one of our students last year |
| 13:26.13 | Trademark | for a beginner, i think it's the greatest experience |
| 13:26.26 | headache | dhaun, ok maybe i've to searh accurately |
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| 13:30.03 | headache | dhaun, i think GSoC is a good occasion to enter open source world, i use free software daily i'm a gnu/linux user |
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| 13:37.47 | Lennie | headache: free!=open source |
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| 13:38.29 | headache | Lennie i know :) |
| 13:39.07 | headache | floss is more appropriate |
| 13:39.20 | skbohra | headache: you know so many things , still you say you are a newb :D |
| 13:39.36 | Lennie | skbohra: something to do with self-confidence perhaps? |
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| 13:39.57 | lut4rp | headache, you don't need to give out chocolates to apply, you know |
| 13:40.02 | lut4rp | its free, give it your best shot :) |
| 13:40.20 | Lennie | skbohra: or he just wants to make sure he really knows what he is talking about before claiming to be an expert, a trait many people lack in this world :P |
| 13:40.43 | skbohra | Lennie: hhehe yeah |
| 13:41.29 | headache | i think one person knows about something when does a lot of practice with real projects |
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| 13:42.00 | lut4rp | +500 |
| 13:42.01 | lut4rp | :) |
| 13:42.03 | Lennie | I don't think that generalizes very well, i.e. having kids are those projects :P? |
| 13:42.11 | lut4rp | rofl |
| 13:43.04 | headache | Lennie, depends on your point of view |
| 13:43.06 | headache | :D |
| 13:43.12 | Lennie | hehe |
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| 15:26.52 | Jolia | Need a debianGSoCer |
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| 15:27.29 | headache | jolia which language? |
| 15:29.04 | Jolia | Hm, sorry, I need some who are in yhe debian organization for GSoC |
| 15:29.32 | headache | Jolia, i'm sorry but i can't help you |
| 15:29.52 | Jolia | Okay, np |
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| 16:27.13 | Nightrose | OFTC |
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| 17:50.26 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 18:44.52 | srajesh | is it OK if we send a mail to a mentor directly or are we supposed to contact them through the mailing lists only? |
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| 18:50.43 | Nightrose | srajesh: depends on the org i guess |
| 18:50.55 | Nightrose | if you found the name on an idea page it is probably ok to contact them directly |
| 18:51.18 | Nightrose | when writing to a mailing lists your chances are high someone else there can also help you - possibly quicker |
| 18:51.56 | srajesh | ohh ok..thanks |
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| 19:09.45 | mlankhorst | Nightrose: don't suppose you know if there is any development on kdetv for kde4? ;) |
| 19:10.25 | Nightrose | mlankhorst: nope sorry - not heard about it for a long time - maybe #kde-devel knows |
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| 19:11.28 | mlankhorst | might be interesting project for me :P too bad i cant apply as student |
| 19:11.47 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 19:11.53 | Nightrose | we'll have Season of KDE again |
| 19:11.53 | mlankhorst | well I probably could |
| 19:11.57 | Nightrose | so you at least get a few shirts |
| 19:12.01 | mlankhorst | haha :D |
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| 19:14.33 | robbyoconnor | Dear people who can't read the archives, please learn to read the archives. You have access to them. Thanks, r0bby. |
| 19:14.55 | robbyoconnor | P.S. your requests for access go straight to the Trash in gmail. |
| 19:14.56 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 19:15.20 | Nightrose | hand robbyoconnor a lolcat to cheer him up a bit ;-) |
| 19:15.25 | Nightrose | *hands |
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| 19:15.38 | robbyoconnor | it's frustrating |
| 19:15.44 | Nightrose | heh i bet |
| 19:16.18 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: i never read any archives, faqs, manuals or anything else written if i first can bug someone about it in person ;) |
| 19:16.32 | robbyoconnor | punches thebolt in the face |
| 19:16.35 | robbyoconnor | I feel better now :) |
| 19:16.44 | robbyoconnor | next victim? |
| 19:16.45 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 19:16.53 | Nightrose | vanishes |
| 19:16.55 | Nightrose | :D |
| 19:16.56 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: hehe, well, as far as i know i never bugged you ;) |
| 19:17.05 | robbyoconnor | Nah, but you're the problem! |
| 19:17.26 | thebolt | in fact, I never bug anyone about anything.. never need to because I know everything myself ;) |
| 19:17.33 | robbyoconnor | GOOD! |
| 19:17.37 | robbyoconnor | unpunches thebolt |
| 19:17.44 | robbyoconnor | it's the internet, you can do things like that |
| 19:17.47 | thebolt | hehe |
| 19:17.47 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 19:17.56 | robbyoconnor | besides, I like you |
| 19:18.02 | robbyoconnor | don't know why |
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| 19:18.03 | thebolt | what is the trouble robby, anything I can do for you? ;) |
| 19:18.18 | thebolt | is quite easy to like.. don't often offend people.. |
| 19:18.24 | mlankhorst | he's just hyperactive, nothing new |
| 19:18.28 | robbyoconnor | No, i'm not sending anymore messages to the list -- i'm just fed up w/ people :) |
| 19:18.42 | robbyoconnor | I'm on the verge of deleting the list i made as a courtesy |
| 19:18.59 | robbyoconnor | publishing it as-is and to hell w/ the rest of the orgs |
| 19:21.41 | schumaml | maybe someone can compile a list of people who were asking faqs on the mailing lists, so that org admins and mentors can make use of this information when ranking projects? |
| 19:22.39 | mlankhorst | schumaml: do it :P |
| 19:22.54 | mlankhorst | but tbh it isn't needed, you can tell from the app if they have read things or not |
| 19:23.51 | dhaun | I haven't seen anyone repeatedly ask question that are answered in the FAQ. Just a lot of people that ask (once) before checking the FAQ |
| 19:24.03 | dhaun | but that's the same every year - nothing you can do about that |
| 19:24.12 | creek23 | hi all. just wanted to know if there are interested devs to help on a game engine? |
| 19:24.33 | schumaml | would make a nice extension to google groups - I just assign a list of faq to the group/list, and google's semantic parsing magic just flags the participants accordingly |
| 19:24.52 | robbyoconnor | those who can't read FAQs aren't suitable candidates |
| 19:25.02 | robbyoconnor | such as this one guy who can't even program _PERIOD_ |
| 19:25.25 | robbyoconnor | I doubt a mentor wants to teach him how to code in whatever language they use |
| 19:25.42 | robbyoconnor | e.g., i wouldn't apply to pidgin, i'm not good w/ C. |
| 19:25.57 | dhaun | I think people should be allowed to ask one "dumb" question. They're all new to this, cut them some slack |
| 19:26.11 | schumaml | one of our mentors had neglected to mention the programming requirement in a past year's project description, and wrote about interaction design instead |
| 19:26.44 | schumaml | the student who did show initial interest in it was quite surprised to learn that programming is involved ;) |
| 19:27.39 | creek23 | schumaml, really? :P |
| 19:27.46 | schumaml | yes |
| 19:28.37 | mlankhorst | haha |
| 19:28.45 | schumaml | to be honest, see e.g. http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2010/RobustBitTorrentInfrastructure |
| 19:29.00 | mlankhorst | exactly :p |
| 19:29.00 | schumaml | would you think that this requires coding? |
| 19:29.09 | mlankhorst | NO, JUST INSTALL SERVERS! LOL |
| 19:29.09 | schumaml | at least beyond some simple shell script |
| 19:29.38 | schumaml | I'm not from Debian, though |
| 19:29.58 | schumaml | and I guess anyone (or at least a resonably large group) cann add proposals there |
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| 19:30.31 | Dark_Shikari | dhaun: there is no such thing as a stupid question |
| 19:30.32 | Dark_Shikari | only stupid people |
| 19:30.35 | mlankhorst | yeah but in the end mentors have to decide :) |
| 19:30.57 | dhaun | Dark_Shikari: hence the quotes around "dumb" |
| 19:31.41 | thebolt | Dark_Shikari: let me disagree.. |
| 19:31.50 | thebolt | Dark_Shikari: and let me quote scott adams to support my point |
| 19:32.03 | Dark_Shikari | thebolt: but the point is, sufficiently "stupid questions" are only asked by stupid people |
| 19:32.10 | mlankhorst | smart people can ask dumb questions O_o |
| 19:32.15 | thebolt | "If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions?" |
| 19:32.45 | mlankhorst | that's flawed |
| 19:32.49 | Dark_Shikari | one could say that _all_ questions asked by stupid people are stupid, because everything that comes out of their mouth is stupid =p |
| 19:32.58 | Dark_Shikari | and thus the questions are no more or less stupid than anything else |
| 19:33.13 | creek23 | 'duh?' |
| 19:33.14 | creek23 | :D |
| 19:33.38 | creek23 | stupid expression conveyed as a question. :P |
| 19:33.46 | robbyoconnor | schumaml: holy crap... that is a WEAKLY described project |
| 19:33.58 | robbyoconnor | But come on be real: Google summer of CODE |
| 19:34.07 | robbyoconnor | it usually implies CODING |
| 19:34.34 | Dark_Shikari | "choosing your own project" should be reserved for people who know what they're doing |
| 19:34.42 | Dark_Shikari | students should pick from a list of projects if they are too stupid to know what code is |
| 19:34.52 | robbyoconnor | <3 Dark_Shikari |
| 19:34.55 | robbyoconnor | I love you man |
| 19:34.58 | Nightrose | Dark_Shikari: the difficult point is knowing that |
| 19:35.05 | Dark_Shikari | Nightrose: oh it's pretty blatantly obvious |
| 19:35.14 | Nightrose | not to the person in question ;-) |
| 19:35.15 | Dark_Shikari | 1) require all students to hang out on IRC |
| 19:35.19 | Dark_Shikari | 2) if they are stupid, it will become obvious |
| 19:35.25 | Nightrose | heh |
| 19:35.38 | Dark_Shikari | I reject any application from any student that has not hung out on IRC |
| 19:35.43 | robbyoconnor | my first year i had a lot of fun :) |
| 19:35.46 | robbyoconnor | prior to summer of code |
| 19:35.49 | Dark_Shikari | furthermore, I try to make sure every prospective student has a shell account so he can be on IRC 24/7 |
| 19:35.56 | Dark_Shikari | because I require that for all actual students |
| 19:36.02 | robbyoconnor | they got a taste of my coding b/c I was playing w/ the closure prototypes for java :) |
| 19:36.08 | robbyoconnor | and blogging about it :) |
| 19:36.24 | robbyoconnor | I was actually encouraged to apply |
| 19:37.13 | mlankhorst | amazing, I tried pulseaudio over the network and it dies, killing opensshd with it.. I bet it tries to allocate so much memory the oomkiller gets involved.. gotta love the variable latency pulse does.. |
| 19:38.21 | Nightrose | <3 PA (NOT!) |
| 19:39.26 | mlankhorst | well I have no speakers, so i figured I'd connect my mac mini and pipe it through that, it works for a while and then dies |
| 19:40.31 | Nightrose | you have no idea how many "OMG my amarok doesn't play any sound" people we get just because PA screwed up |
| 19:41.15 | Nightrose | not to speak of the many not showing up in our support channels and blaming us |
| 19:41.15 | mlankhorst | :P |
| 19:41.40 | mlankhorst | Nightrose: Try running on a -rt kernel, give pulseaudio rt privs, and watch it die because it gets stuck in a loop ;) |
| 19:41.47 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 19:42.04 | thebolt | mlankhorst: what would be the point of that? ;) |
| 19:42.15 | thebolt | i mean, what good would that do for mankind? |
| 19:42.24 | Nightrose | thebolt: it would make me feel better |
| 19:42.26 | Nightrose | a bit |
| 19:42.27 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 19:42.30 | thebolt | hehe |
| 19:42.44 | mlankhorst | I'm wine audio dev, resisting a pulse plugin for as long as I can ;P |
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| 19:43.38 | mlankhorst | death to pulseaudio |
| 19:43.58 | Nightrose | with a funeral like for IE 6? |
| 19:44.12 | creek23 | funeral for Vista |
| 19:44.21 | mlankhorst | nah |
| 19:44.27 | schumaml | Nightrose: what funeral? |
| 19:44.32 | mlankhorst | ie6 was at least good, at the time.. |
| 19:44.42 | schumaml | people are still defending its use |
| 19:45.14 | Nightrose | schumaml: http://ie6funeral.com/ |
| 19:45.15 | creek23 | people who havent use IE8, FF, Chrome, Safari -- thats who |
| 19:46.02 | mlankhorst | if only konqueror worked on more sites |
| 19:46.44 | Nightrose | if only more sites worked on konqueror |
| 19:46.45 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 19:46.47 | robbyoconnor | Vista isn't that bad |
| 19:46.47 | mlankhorst | :P |
| 19:46.57 | robbyoconnor | I had a few BSOD incidents |
| 19:47.07 | robbyoconnor | such as one aweek ago after an update.. FAIL MS FAIL! |
| 19:47.12 | robbyoconnor | EPIC FAIL! |
| 19:47.35 | schumaml | robbyoconnor: so you got the trojan that causes these? |
| 19:47.47 | robbyoconnor | lol what? |
| 19:47.57 | robbyoconnor | I actually run quite stable |
| 19:48.02 | robbyoconnor | oddly enough |
| 19:48.08 | schumaml | one of the last ms updates uncovered a widespread trojan infection |
| 19:48.20 | schumaml | trojans are supposed to be stable |
| 19:48.57 | schumaml | it embeds itself into some io drivers |
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| 19:55.07 | robbyoconnor | :X |
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| 19:58.21 | schumaml | this should have been very hard to miss if you read *any* it-related news |
| 19:59.04 | schumaml | pro-windows and neutral sites should have covered it as a "we're not to blame" or simple "that's the facts item" |
| 19:59.31 | schumaml | anti-windows should have run it as "nananananah!" |
| 20:04.53 | creek23 | schumaml: you singing that moffats song? :P |
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| 20:12.55 | mlankhorst | schumaml: why would they have to care? :p |
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| 20:15.03 | schumaml | creek23: music and I are disjunct |
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| 20:17.38 | sharavsambuu | hello all! |
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| 20:18.34 | sharavsambuu | im from Mongolia |
| 20:18.45 | creek23 | hi sharavsambuu |
| 20:18.52 | mt | !orgsbylang |
| 20:18.52 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 20:18.54 | sharavsambuu | hi creek23! |
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| 20:20.00 | sharavsambuu | is it possible to join from Mongolia? |
| 20:20.39 | creek23 | I believe so. |
| 20:20.56 | sharavsambuu | aanhan |
| 20:21.16 | sharavsambuu | Are u from Creek? |
| 20:21.55 | creek23 | Philippines |
| 20:22.06 | sharavsambuu | ok |
| 20:24.10 | sharavsambuu | what kind of project are u looking for? |
| 20:29.17 | creek23 | game engine deving? |
| 20:29.26 | creek23 | how about you? |
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| 20:35.04 | sharavsambuu | me too |
| 20:35.06 | sharavsambuu | :) |
| 20:35.13 | sharavsambuu | for example jMonkeyEngine |
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| 20:43.35 | creek23 | ooh jMonkeyEngine. |
| 20:43.40 | creek23 | never tried that tho. :D |
| 20:45.49 | sharavsambuu | it's the leading java 3d game engine |
| 20:46.09 | sharavsambuu | what's your engine? |
| 20:46.16 | sharavsambuu | interested engine :) |
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| 20:46.30 | creek23 | not big time like jme |
| 20:46.59 | creek23 | http://konsolscript.org |
| 20:47.13 | creek23 | still working on the frameworks. |
| 20:47.49 | sharavsambuu | wow |
| 20:47.54 | sharavsambuu | looking good |
| 20:48.21 | sharavsambuu | has consolscript 2d physics engine |
| 20:48.33 | sharavsambuu | such like box2d, chipmunk.. |
| 20:48.42 | sharavsambuu | ? |
| 20:48.44 | creek23 | not yet. |
| 20:48.48 | creek23 | :/ |
| 20:49.07 | creek23 | it does have basic collision but not really physics based |
| 20:49.24 | sharavsambuu | ok |
| 20:49.29 | sharavsambuu | i've learned pygame |
| 20:49.35 | sharavsambuu | as 2d gaming |
| 20:49.44 | sharavsambuu | have u heard pygame? |
| 20:49.55 | creek23 | yep. |
| 20:50.51 | creek23 | but i suck at python. |
| 20:51.10 | creek23 | im a C/BASIC guy. |
| 20:51.21 | Dark_Shikari | >basic |
| 20:51.26 | sharavsambuu | ok |
| 20:51.41 | sharavsambuu | im C java python fan :) |
| 20:52.04 | sharavsambuu | yay! demos are cool |
| 20:52.23 | creek23 | Dark_Shikari: nice. |
| 20:52.32 | creek23 | tried freebasic? |
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| 20:52.44 | sharavsambuu | no i've never tried it |
| 20:53.05 | creek23 | oh. im do some java btw. |
| 20:53.31 | creek23 | i guess youre applying for jme? |
| 20:53.37 | creek23 | mentor? student? |
| 20:53.41 | sharavsambuu | student |
| 20:53.43 | sharavsambuu | :) |
| 20:53.48 | creek23 | nice. |
| 20:53.48 | sharavsambuu | are you mentor? |
| 20:54.03 | creek23 | hopefully this year :P |
| 20:54.08 | sharavsambuu | wow |
| 20:54.18 | creek23 | in real life tho, i was. |
| 20:54.20 | sharavsambuu | is it possible to join your team? |
| 20:54.43 | sharavsambuu | learning new language is no problem to me :P |
| 20:54.45 | creek23 | join via gsoc? |
| 20:55.02 | creek23 | or join as part of dev team? |
| 20:55.17 | sharavsambuu | mmm both |
| 20:55.25 | creek23 | nice. :P |
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| 21:36.24 | k23z__ | what markup does google code use ? |
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| 21:37.19 | k23z__ | what markup does google code use ? and where can I render some google code markup ? |
| 21:37.52 | danderson | this is not a Google Code support channel |
| 21:37.56 | danderson | but, http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/WikiSyntax |
| 21:40.14 | Phoenix_ | Anybody here happen to be from the x.org, llvm, swig, ogre, or haiku projects? |
| 21:40.56 | k23z__ | anybody here from the Perl projects ? |
| 21:44.07 | dhaun | !anyone |
| 21:44.07 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 22:02.36 | robbyoconnor | Phoenix_: why not go to their channel |
| 22:02.45 | robbyoconnor | !orgsbylang |
| 22:02.46 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 22:02.49 | robbyoconnor | it's valid |
| 22:02.52 | robbyoconnor | LOOK THERE |
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| 22:09.42 | robbyoconnor | *facepalm* |
| 22:09.54 | k23z__ | robbyoconnor: ? |
| 22:10.09 | k23z__ | is anyone here interested in hacking on some assembly ? |
| 22:10.14 | k23z__ | nasm to be more precise |
| 22:10.18 | k23z__ | that will be integrated into Perl |
| 22:10.59 | robbyoconnor | you're nuts |
| 22:11.55 | k23z__ | robbyoconnor: yes I am , do you know assembly ? |
| 22:12.32 | robbyoconnor | not really |
| 22:12.52 | robbyoconnor | what little assembly i do know was coded in Masm |
| 22:13.02 | robbyoconnor | using intel syntax (not at&t) |
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| 22:26.46 | daniloaf | what I know of assembly I learned on university programming on FPGA |
| 22:26.56 | daniloaf | and it was not much |
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| 23:18.27 | robbyoconnor | that was the one CS class where i did bad LOL |
| 23:18.38 | robbyoconnor | one exam I didn't do what the question asked and he was BRUTAL grading it! |
| 23:18.49 | robbyoconnor | my brain was dead |
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| 23:25.27 | daniloaf | robbyoconnor I was bad on it, but I could be better :( |
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