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| 00:35.52 | Lennie | oh exciting gsoc is closing in :) |
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| 00:36.55 | Lennie | SRabbelier: Do you think we should have a bet to see how many people will join this channel, the one closest to it gets to throw leslie in the pool at the summit :P |
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| 00:38.42 | SRabbelier | Lennie: 800 |
| 00:39.02 | Lennie | !logs |
| 00:39.02 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 00:40.46 | Lennie | I'm guessing we'll go up to 1000 :) |
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| 00:42.49 | SRabbelier | Lennie: hehe, it's on ;) |
| 00:43.03 | Lennie | :D |
| 00:43.10 | Landon | for the record |
| 00:43.12 | Landon | 18:43:06 -!- Irssi: Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 00:43.26 | Lennie | wtb more |
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| 00:45.02 | SRabbelier | ah, cheater |
| 00:46.09 | Lennie | tricky |
| 00:46.15 | Lennie | we just need 27 more to make me win |
| 00:46.54 | Landon | points at the timestamp on that |
| 00:46.55 | Landon | :p |
| 00:47.00 | Lennie | I know 2008 |
| 00:47.10 | Lennie | or is there something else :)? |
| 00:47.21 | Landon | my vote is for 874! |
| 00:47.35 | Lennie | you conservatist! |
| 00:47.40 | Landon | not to be pessimistic or anything |
| 00:47.41 | Landon | :p |
| 00:48.20 | SRabbelier | Landon: you only get to vote if you're going to the summit ofc |
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| 00:48.58 | Landon | touche, I may have to pack my bindlestiff and jump on a train |
| 00:49.09 | Lennie | knapsacks ftw |
| 00:49.15 | Lennie | you can solve the knapsack problem in RL :) |
| 00:49.56 | Landon | attacks that problem with canvas, needle, thread |
| 00:49.58 | SRabbelier | win :) |
| 00:50.11 | SRabbelier | anyway, off to bed |
| 00:50.12 | SRabbelier | ttyl all |
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| 01:36.50 | Lennie | \n |
| 01:37.19 | loglaunch | \n/ |
| 01:37.21 | rujasu | std::endl |
| 01:37.37 | Lennie | System.out.println(); |
| 01:37.44 | Lennie | anyhow |
| 01:37.49 | Lennie | party :D |
| 01:47.04 | Lennie | nn all |
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| 03:34.30 | baluchandra | one more day |
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| 04:02.46 | auzigog | Hey all. Anyone from #drupal hanging out in here? I'm looking for a Drupal mentor for a project I'm hoping to submit |
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| 04:14.15 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 04:14.15 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 04:14.22 | ojwb | auzigog: ^^^ |
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| 04:14.49 | auzigog | ojwb: thanks. :) |
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| 04:57.49 | pk__ | does google selects which projects of an organisations will be selected |
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| 04:58.20 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 04:58.22 | pk__ | or google allotts maximum number of projects an organisation will be doing |
| 04:58.28 | Catfish_Man | the latter, yes |
| 04:59.00 | pk__ | ok |
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| 05:32.22 | robbyoconnor | im late |
| 05:32.23 | robbyoconnor | :/ |
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| 06:12.44 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 06:17.26 | Lunixed | Yay !!! GSOC getting closer :) |
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| 08:26.40 | headache | hello and good monday to all |
| 08:27.43 | Catfish_Man | not monday yet. Don't need a headache |
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| 08:28.10 | creek23 | headache: what the, monday already? |
| 08:28.15 | headache | LOL :P |
| 08:29.15 | headache | ahahaha i miss sunday |
| 08:29.22 | headache | good sunday |
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| 08:30.51 | creek23 | heh |
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| 08:38.13 | kblin | Catfish_Man: but it is.. :) |
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| 08:38.51 | student | grrr |
| 08:39.32 | creek23 | kblin? monday? |
| 08:39.35 | creek23 | where at? |
| 08:39.59 | thebolt | hi kblin , Catfish_Man et al |
| 08:40.21 | kblin | creek23: CET |
| 08:41.00 | creek23 | CET is? |
| 08:41.07 | creek23 | googles :D |
| 08:41.19 | ojwb | um, it's still Sunday in NZ |
| 08:41.45 | kblin | er |
| 08:41.47 | kblin | damn :) |
| 08:41.54 | creek23 | i see. |
| 08:42.01 | creek23 | im used to GMT |
| 08:42.15 | kblin | creek23: it'spretty much sunday all over the place |
| 08:42.26 | ojwb | indeed |
| 08:42.34 | thebolt | kblin: still a few hours left until it is monday anywhere |
| 08:42.38 | kblin | I'm just confused because I need to work today and didn't have to work on friday |
| 08:42.39 | thebolt | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?sort=2 |
| 08:42.47 | kblin | thebolt: yeah, yeah |
| 08:43.02 | thebolt | still a few places with saturday though :) |
| 08:43.45 | kblin | which is good, means that I have some more time to give my soc project ideas a facelift |
| 08:43.53 | thebolt | heh |
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| 08:44.18 | creek23 | kblin, whats your project? |
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| 08:45.42 | kblin | Well, I'm planning to admin for WorldForge (http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code) and Samba (http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/SoC/Ideas) |
| 08:46.45 | headache | cool |
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| 08:47.22 | creek23 | ooh. |
| 08:47.55 | thebolt | got to get going, being picked up in 10.. |
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| 12:31.54 | Raim | hi |
| 12:32.40 | Raim | last years applications are not available in the webapp anymore, or do I just not see them? |
| 12:32.54 | Raim | I mean from mentoring organizations |
| 12:33.29 | skbohra | !orgsbylang |
| 12:33.29 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 12:33.38 | skbohra | Raim: ^ may be this can be useful |
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| 12:35.01 | ihalip | say |
| 12:35.08 | ihalip | what other commands does the bot have? |
| 12:35.10 | ihalip | !help |
| 12:35.10 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 12:35.31 | ihalip | !botabuse |
| 12:35.31 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 12:35.38 | Raim | skbohra: thanks, at least I could recover our application template from there |
| 12:35.54 | skbohra | !list |
| 12:35.55 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 12:35.59 | skbohra | ah |
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| 12:45.04 | ChrisSalij | !list |
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| 12:57.24 | sghill | Do SoC participants work with their mentors entirely online? |
| 12:57.36 | skbohra | sghill: yes |
| 12:57.39 | Ivanovic | depens |
| 12:57.47 | skbohra | mostly |
| 12:57.47 | Ivanovic | that is: in 99.99% of all cases: yes |
| 12:58.00 | Ivanovic | they tend to not meet in person while SoC takes place |
| 12:58.34 | Ivanovic | sure, if somehow you life close to each other you can also meet during SoC |
| 12:58.45 | Ivanovic | but this is not the normal case |
| 12:59.08 | sghill | that's what I assumed. thanks for verifying |
| 12:59.33 | sudipta_mondal | is there a list in which there are the names of the mentoring organisations that have applied for gsoc 2010 |
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| 12:59.58 | dhaun | !orgs |
| 12:59.58 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
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| 13:00.54 | danderson | what what what, BZFlag isn't participating? |
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| 13:01.41 | danderson | (or planning to I should say) |
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| 13:02.03 | ihalip | maybe they don't know about this list |
| 13:02.30 | danderson | they're listed as not planning to apply |
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| 13:02.46 | ihalip | ooh. |
| 13:02.46 | sudipta_mondal | is there a limit of student that gsoc can admit for the gsoc projects as in whole |
| 13:03.24 | danderson | there's a limit on the total number of students (a few thousand), and each org project should have only 1 student assigned to it |
| 13:03.35 | danderson | ie. no group projects |
| 13:03.49 | ihalip | there was a presentation somewhere, giving the exact numbers for last years |
| 13:03.58 | ojwb | I think it was 1000 students last year |
| 13:04.04 | ihalip | 1000-ish |
| 13:04.31 | sudipta_mondal | i guess there is a budget google allocates to gsoc its around 5 M dollars so that would limit the number of students accepted right? |
| 13:04.37 | danderson | yes. |
| 13:04.48 | danderson | well, it's not the only limiting factor |
| 13:05.04 | danderson | if there's 1M left over but orgs don't want any more students... |
| 13:05.18 | dhaun | yes, like there's only lh :) |
| 13:05.31 | danderson | but that's never happened. It's more common historically to go slightly over the student # |
| 13:05.47 | ojwb | um, there's more than just lh |
| 13:06.02 | sudipta_mondal | but there are so many organisations with so many projects, i wonder if organisations don't want to take students |
| 13:06.05 | ihalip | exactly 1000 students in 2009, 1125 in 2008 |
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| 13:06.17 | Dark_Shikari | exactly 1000? wow |
| 13:06.22 | danderson | ah, well, there you go |
| 13:06.33 | ihalip | http://google-summer-of-code.googlecode.com/files/GSoC2010-Presentation.pdf |
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| 13:08.38 | skbohra | 999 it was , to be precise :) |
| 13:09.01 | skbohra | one student dropped out , before the program started iirc |
| 13:09.07 | Dark_Shikari | lol, that's even more awesome |
| 13:09.10 | Dark_Shikari | in 2009, 999 students |
| 13:09.10 | ihalip | i wouldn't know |
| 13:09.22 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: :D |
| 13:09.54 | Ivanovic | sudipta_mondal: organisations can't mentor indefinite numbers of students |
| 13:10.22 | Ivanovic | sudipta_mondal: so if an org has some 50 proposals but can only mentor maybe 5 students that is all they can do |
| 13:10.57 | Ivanovic | normally the orgs selected are able fill the 1000 slots, but in theory it is possible that they can't mentor this many |
| 13:11.10 | sudipta_mondal | Ivanovic: i can understand that but the number of ideas that organisation propose is higher than the number of ideas being selected for final coding. Isn't it true? |
| 13:11.24 | ihalip | sudipta_mondal: of course |
| 13:11.30 | ojwb | typically, though students can suggest their own ideas |
| 13:11.32 | Ivanovic | sure |
| 13:11.36 | ojwb | so it's possible it could be more |
| 13:14.10 | ihalip | probably the hardest part (aside from actual coding) is competing to be accepted |
| 13:15.14 | Dark_Shikari | dunno, I wouldn't say that, at least on my projects |
| 13:15.30 | Dark_Shikari | we can generally accept everyone who I expect will succeed |
| 13:15.39 | Dark_Shikari | The hard part is proving to me that you can succeed =p |
| 13:15.51 | ihalip | that's part of the actual competition |
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| 13:16.12 | skbohra | GSoC isn't a traditional competition imo |
| 13:16.24 | Dark_Shikari | it's not a competition though |
| 13:16.25 | ihalip | Dark_Shikari: will you be mentoring this year? |
| 13:16.27 | Dark_Shikari | you're not competing against anyone |
| 13:16.39 | danderson | you're competing against yourself |
| 13:16.39 | Dark_Shikari | ihalip: yes, as I mentored last year and before, assuming our umbrella organization gets accepted. |
| 13:16.44 | danderson | the best kind of competition |
| 13:16.56 | ihalip | for which org/project? |
| 13:16.57 | skbohra | danderson: ++ |
| 13:17.01 | Dark_Shikari | x264, videolan org |
| 13:17.04 | ihalip | ah |
| 13:17.29 | danderson | yay x264 |
| 13:17.35 | danderson | you should all go do stuff for them. They're nuts. |
| 13:17.41 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 13:17.44 | Dark_Shikari | http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_x264_2010 <--the way we do things |
| 13:17.58 | Dark_Shikari | the qualification task basically consists of "do the first 10% of the summer project" |
| 13:18.10 | Dark_Shikari | Since, obviously, if you can't do that, you can't do the rest either. |
| 13:19.16 | ihalip | of course |
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| 13:20.14 | ihalip | i never worked with video/audio encoding before |
| 13:20.17 | Dark_Shikari | though the qualification tasks aren't as much work as I often think they are. |
| 13:20.31 | ihalip | i'll just stick to KDE/Qt, it's what i'm best at |
| 13:20.40 | Dark_Shikari | some guy who isn't even in GSOC, nor does he qualify, messaged me the file required for the colorspace qual task |
| 13:21.12 | danderson | Dark_Shikari: that's in the eye of the beholder :) |
| 13:21.20 | Dark_Shikari | danderson: indeed |
| 13:21.29 | danderson | having never touched x264 or even video codecs in general, those tasks look a little scary to me |
| 13:21.39 | ihalip | yeah, me too |
| 13:21.40 | skbohra | I am enjoying working with my org since last summer |
| 13:21.44 | danderson | I'm sure there's nothing to it really, but that's the first impression :) |
| 13:21.49 | Dark_Shikari | danderson: no, they are scary |
| 13:21.50 | Dark_Shikari | quite so |
| 13:21.54 | Dark_Shikari | and intentionally so |
| 13:22.09 | Dark_Shikari | As a result, students are allowed to ask any questions whatsoever in unlimited quantities. |
| 13:22.31 | Dark_Shikari | here's last year's: http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_x264_2009#Qualification_tasks |
| 13:22.33 | Dark_Shikari | of these, we got: |
| 13:22.43 | Dark_Shikari | 1 ARM support qual task (accepted student, successful student) |
| 13:22.56 | Dark_Shikari | 2 colorspace qual tasks (accepted 1 student, disappeared student) |
| 13:23.06 | Dark_Shikari | 1 weightp qual task (accepted student, disappeared student) |
| 13:23.18 | Dark_Shikari | er oops |
| 13:23.26 | Dark_Shikari | 1 weightp qual task (accepted student, successful student) |
| 13:23.39 | Dark_Shikari | typing at 5 AM can make our record look a little bit worse than it is ;) |
| 13:23.39 | danderson | heh |
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| 13:23.52 | Dark_Shikari | so 4 applicants, 3 students, 2 successes, not bad I guess. |
| 13:24.00 | danderson | I definitely prefer that to orgs that put "redo the website CSS" up as a 3-month task |
| 13:24.05 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 13:24.08 | Dark_Shikari | hahahahahahahaah |
| 13:24.17 | danderson | the whole point is to challenge the mind |
| 13:24.43 | ideamonk | danderson, I would humbly apply for all such tasks for free in summer (if not too huge) |
| 13:24.53 | Dark_Shikari | reminds me of http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2010/RobustBitTorrentInfrastructure |
| 13:25.08 | Dark_Shikari | lols |
| 13:25.21 | ihalip | which translates to: buy us better servers |
| 13:25.22 | danderson | "So, um... Deploy more trackers?" |
| 13:25.25 | ihalip | problem solved. |
| 13:25.26 | danderson | "Make the machines less shitty?" |
| 13:25.27 | Dark_Shikari | "Use thepiratebay" "can I have my $4500 now?" |
| 13:25.46 | danderson | yeah, exactly |
| 13:25.46 | Dark_Shikari | or even better, "use DHT" |
| 13:26.00 | danderson | or maybe the project was to invent a better p2p protocol than bittorrent |
| 13:26.10 | danderson | with the explicit design goal "Must not burn debian servers" |
| 13:26.13 | Dark_Shikari | we can call it bitwaterfall |
| 13:26.33 | danderson | bitfirehose |
| 13:26.59 | Dark_Shikari | bitcumulonimbus |
| 13:27.32 | skbohra | bitpit |
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| 13:28.32 | danderson | Dark_Shikari: I already have a logo too! http://staynalive.com/files/2010/02/drink-out-of-a-hose.jpeg |
| 13:28.44 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
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| 13:29.02 | Dark_Shikari | I have a better one |
| 13:29.03 | Dark_Shikari | http://paycreate.com/perry/wharrgarbl.jpg |
| 13:29.37 | danderson | okay, but only if we call it Wharrgarbl |
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| 13:30.44 | Dark_Shikari | I endorse that |
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| 13:57.09 | lut4rp | Hi kitallis |
| 13:57.18 | kitallis | :S |
| 13:57.22 | kitallis | Hello? |
| 13:57.31 | lut4rp | [^_^] |
| 13:57.50 | kitallis | That was rather friendly :S |
| 13:57.52 | skbohra | !org |
| 13:57.53 | socinfo | Error: "org" is not a valid command. |
| 13:57.55 | skbohra | !orgs |
| 13:57.55 | socinfo | "orgs" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009, or (#2) The list of participating organisations will be published on March 18. In the meantime, here is a list of orgs that expressed interest in participating in GSoC 2010: http://is.gd/9MVas |
| 13:58.07 | lut4rp | kitallis, I know |
| 13:58.10 | lut4rp | I'm a friendly person. |
| 13:58.27 | kitallis | I see. |
| 13:58.35 | lut4rp | especially to people who live close by and are lulzy. |
| 13:58.44 | lut4rp | points to kitallis and laughs |
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| 14:00.38 | kitallis | What. |
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| 19:54.48 | skbohra | !timeline |
| 19:54.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 19:54.59 | skbohra | !thanks |
| 19:54.59 | socinfo | "thanks" is You are welcome! My digital purpose is to serve. |
| 19:57.00 | creek23 | !heh |
| 19:57.00 | socinfo | Error: "heh" is not a valid command. |
| 19:57.09 | creek23 | !sorry |
| 19:57.10 | socinfo | Error: "sorry" is not a valid command. |
| 19:57.20 | creek23 | :) |
| 20:00.06 | skbohra | !botabuse |
| 20:00.06 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 22:01.52 | kizzo | Hmm, is there any chance that a small/(just started) project will get accepted for even just 1 slot, if the organization doesn't have that many applications? |
| 22:02.00 | araujo | yes |
| 22:02.47 | kizzo | I read somewhere that the number of student apps for an organization plays a big role in whether or not the org get accepted. |
| 22:02.50 | Ivanovic | IIRC chances for small and *new* projects to get accepted are close to zero |
| 22:03.13 | kizzo | And I was reasoning that it might be unfair if orgs like Python just soak up all the student slots. |
| 22:03.17 | Ivanovic | that is: small and well established projects got a good chance to get in unless they easily fit under some umbrella |
| 22:03.37 | kizzo | So there's a chance, if the new/started org looks good/worthy enough? |
| 22:03.42 | Ivanovic | they do not soak up all student slots |
| 22:03.44 | kizzo | I see. |
| 22:04.43 | Mek | organizations are accepted before student apps even being; and each accepted organization will get at least 1 slot (assuming they have an application they want to give the slot to) |
| 22:04.52 | kizzo | Yeah my point is that I feel that my org is worthy enough for even just 1 or 2 slots, although the project kinda just got organized, but is highly motivated. |
| 22:04.55 | Ivanovic | in general what all accepted projects have in common is a rather good reputation and are well established in their area |
| 22:05.04 | kizzo | And were hoping to use GSOC as a way to even further boost progress. |
| 22:05.44 | kizzo | Alrighty, that sounds good. |
| 22:05.49 | Dark_Shikari | if you want slots as a new project, get an umbrella organization |
| 22:06.16 | kizzo | We might just be able to do that - thanks for that. |
| 22:06.30 | Dark_Shikari | it also makes life easier, since they can handle the administration for you. |
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| 22:34.07 | Nightrose | kizzo: also keep in mind that one of the main goals of gsoc is getting student in touch with open source communities and ways of working |
| 22:34.17 | Nightrose | that's not really given in a small and very new project |
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| 22:35.14 | kizzo | Thanks for the advice. |
| 22:36.16 | sanjoyd | is wondering if the project he is working on would be too tough as a GSoC project. |
| 22:36.39 | Nightrose | which one is it? |
| 22:36.46 | kizzo | Ultimate Smash Friends: http://usf.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 22:36.48 | Dark_Shikari | the answer is usually "no, given a sufficiently talented student" |
| 22:37.17 | kizzo | It's not new code, I'd say - it's been worked on since before 2007 at the least. |
| 22:37.26 | kizzo | It's just that it's picking up steam lately. |
| 22:37.32 | Nightrose | kizzo: looks fun |
| 22:37.47 | Dark_Shikari | and I don't see why that's too tough |
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| 22:38.20 | kizzo | Used to just be one person working on it, now we've got a launchpad project, forum, irc channel, more devs, etc. |
| 22:38.57 | Dark_Shikari | I mean, if anything, that's "easy" in that there are many many things a student could od |
| 22:39.00 | Dark_Shikari | *do |
| 22:39.06 | Dark_Shikari | thus making it more likely that any given student could contribute |
| 22:39.37 | kizzo | Yeah I'm trying to add more details as to what a GSOC student could do, on our wiki page. |
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| 22:39.56 | kizzo | And there's a bunch. |
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| 22:44.43 | rohananil | hello nshm |
| 22:44.45 | rohananil | :) |
| 22:45.00 | nshm | hello |
| 22:45.11 | rohananil | How have you been doing? |
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| 22:49.20 | MarianoPeck | Hi folks, I have a question regarding GSoC 2010 |
| 22:49.40 | MarianoPeck | Hi folks, I have a question regarding GSoC 2010 |
| 22:49.52 | MarianoPeck | for the "ideas" page, with deadline 12th |
| 22:50.13 | MarianoPeck | should also be included the mentor for each project/idea or that can be defined lates? |
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| 22:50.27 | Dark_Shikari | don't see any reason why it needs to be defined now |
| 22:51.01 | Ivanovic | MarianoPeck: in general a possible "contact" if there are questions about the project (for the students later on) should be listed |
| 22:51.10 | Ivanovic | though this is *not* mandatory |
| 22:51.24 | Dark_Shikari | you should have a list of possible mentors, if possible |
| 22:51.28 | Dark_Shikari | and a place for students to go to ask questions (IRC, etc) |
| 22:51.36 | MarianoPeck | thanks! I ask because in http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#org_app |
| 22:51.45 | MarianoPeck | I see a question that says |
| 22:51.47 | Ivanovic | (no, this contact does not have to be identical to mentors, just a way to show that you provide students with a good access to things) |
| 22:52.25 | MarianoPeck | What criteria DID you use to select these individuals as mentors? Please be as specific as possible. |
| 22:52.30 | MarianoPeck | notice the DID |
| 22:53.27 | MarianoPeck | Ivanovic: but that "contact" is the mentor, isn't it ? |
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| 22:53.56 | Ivanovic | mentor != mentor for explicit project idea |
| 22:54.18 | Ivanovic | before joining in SoC you should know some people in your project that are willing to mentor students over SoC |
| 22:54.23 | Sir_Gallantmon | if we are applying to include our project in the SoC as a mentor organization, do we need to have a mailing list set up? |
| 22:54.28 | Ivanovic | if you have noone willing to mentor, you should not join |
| 22:54.49 | Ivanovic | and regarding those who are willing: what are your orgs criteria if they really are allowed to mentor your students? |
| 22:54.57 | Ivanovic | Sir_Gallantmon: no |
| 22:55.04 | Dark_Shikari | "mentors" should be selected by whoever is able and willing |
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| 22:55.36 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: and the question is exactly what the orgs selection criterias are |
| 22:55.47 | Ivanovic | sure, willing is one part, but when is someone *able*? |
| 22:56.14 | MarianoPeck | ok...thanks |
| 22:56.28 | Ivanovic | Sir_Gallantmon: though you should have some established means of communication |
| 22:56.46 | Ivanovic | Sir_Gallantmon: does not matter if this is a mailling list, some irc chan or some web forum |
| 22:57.09 | Ivanovic | or *whatever* else you as project find usefull for communication |
| 22:57.18 | Ivanovic | basically a way for students to get in touch with you |
| 22:58.03 | Ivanovic | (something different from "travel to tibet, climb mountain ABC and there shout 'i want to work with you for SoC' until you reach one of us" |
| 22:58.05 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:59.05 | ojwb | MarianoPeck: I wouldn't read too much into that "DID" |
| 22:59.28 | Sir_Gallantmon | Ivanovic: our project has has IRC, forums, and IM (gtalk), so I think that covers things pretty well ;) |
| 22:59.44 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 22:59.47 | Sir_Gallantmon | I just don't like mailing lists :( |
| 23:00.09 | Ivanovic | Sir_Gallantmon: it is mainly about some way for students to get in contact |
| 23:00.11 | Sir_Gallantmon | I'm already subscribed to so many as a result of participating in Fedora Project that my regular emails get drowned out unless I *look* for them |
| 23:00.24 | Ivanovic | Sir_Gallantmon: and one well established way that many orgs have is some developer mailling list |
| 23:00.31 | Sir_Gallantmon | yeah |
| 23:00.39 | Sir_Gallantmon | but mailing lists are hard to set up |
| 23:00.54 | Sir_Gallantmon | and when you already are subscribed to other mailing lists, it becomes difficult to manage :( |
| 23:01.21 | Ivanovic | for the "too many mails" problem there is a great feature in most email clients: filter |
| 23:01.30 | Ivanovic | just filter and have eg one folder per mailling list |
| 23:02.13 | Sir_Gallantmon | when you have 400000+ emails, it takes too long for filtering in mail clients :( |
| 23:02.14 | Ivanovic | though yes, it is easy to drown in mails |
| 23:02.30 | Ivanovic | wow, that is *really* bad |
| 23:02.44 | Sir_Gallantmon | Thunderbird breaks down on the load of my Inbox |
| 23:02.55 | Sir_Gallantmon | and that 400000+ is just *unread* messages |
| 23:02.56 | Ivanovic | imap? |
| 23:03.01 | Sir_Gallantmon | yep |
| 23:03.02 | Ivanovic | *outsch* |
| 23:03.23 | Ivanovic | that's the benefit of pop3, you download all the mails and manage them locally |
| 23:03.33 | Ivanovic | including "automaticall mark read" and all the likes |
| 23:04.43 | Ivanovic | and like i said, mailling lists are not mandatory for SoC |
| 23:05.19 | Ivanovic | (that is: having a mailling list for the project, you as project admin/mentor should try to follow the gsoc mentor list so that you don't miss important announcements) |
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| 23:07.26 | Ivanovic | (yes, the mailling lists often have too much traffic so that you can barely check the subjects to see if the mail should be read or not) |
| 23:07.49 | Dark_Shikari | too much traffic? even lkml doesn't have that much |
| 23:09.27 | ojwb | gmane has just under a million messages for lkml |
| 23:09.46 | ojwb | not sure how complete that is |
| 23:10.10 | Dark_Shikari | yeah but who's subscribed to that for so long =p |
| 23:11.26 | ojwb | hard core kernel developers and mail archiving sites, I'd guess |
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| 23:15.44 | sanjoyd | Nightrose: Trying to improve the (new) generational GC in the Mono runtime. |
| 23:16.16 | Nightrose | heh ok - definitely not my thing :D |
| 23:16.25 | Nightrose | but i guess there are people out there who like it |
| 23:16.49 | sanjoyd | Nightrose: Are you a student or a mentor? |
| 23:16.57 | Nightrose | admin |
| 23:17.15 | Nightrose | was a mentor 2 years ago and admin last year |
| 23:17.35 | sanjoyd | Nightrose: Cool! |
| 23:17.41 | Nightrose | so not exactly your target group ;-) |
| 23:17.42 | Sir_Gallantmon | Ivanovic, I'll definitely subscribe to the mentor list, of course |
| 23:17.58 | sanjoyd | What project did you mentor? |
| 23:18.15 | Nightrose | biased playlists for Amarok in KDE |
| 23:18.38 | sanjoyd | Nightrose: Nice! I don't use Amarok though ... |
| 23:18.47 | Nightrose | sobs a little |
| 23:18.48 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 23:19.50 | sanjoyd | :) |
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| 23:24.54 | ihalip | good night everyone |
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