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| 02:09.02 | Manca | Are you ready for this year's Summer of Code? |
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| 06:22.44 | harlan | Where can I learn about "tooltip" and "Link ID"? |
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| 06:26.14 | ihalip | morning |
| 06:26.24 | ihalip | !next |
| 06:26.24 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 06:29.03 | kblin | harlan: hm? |
| 06:29.26 | kblin | you might need to enable javascript to see the tooltips |
| 06:30.13 | harlan | I think it is enabled, but I'll check. |
| 06:31.30 | harlan | Yup, it seems to be enabled. |
| 06:32.10 | harlan | what do I scroll over (or whatever) to see it? |
| 06:34.02 | kblin | just click on any form field |
| 06:34.14 | harlan | oh, |
| 06:34.16 | harlan | thanks! |
| 06:34.42 | kblin | np |
| 06:34.43 | harlan | It's still not as helpful as I'd like. |
| 06:34.46 | harlan | :( |
| 06:35.06 | harlan | it tells me syntax, and I was hoping for an example. |
| 06:35.51 | harlan | to be more specific, should it be OK for me to use |
| 06:36.07 | harlan | "ntp" as the organization link ID? |
| 06:36.26 | kblin | if your org is ntp, sure, why not? |
| 06:36.47 | harlan | no idea, that's why I asked. It might be "better" if it was all caps, or ??? |
| 06:37.12 | kblin | I used lower case |
| 06:37.16 | harlan | thx |
| 06:37.36 | kblin | I'm not sure if this actually makes a difference or if they're normalized |
| 06:37.47 | harlan | ;k, thanks. |
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| 07:07.08 | _Samo | hi morning |
| 07:07.59 | _Samo | our organisation is looking for a mentor with a background on 3D and computer graphics |
| 07:08.43 | _Samo | due to an overwhelming respose from students, and our small number of mentors |
| 07:09.22 | skbohra | _Samo: :) seems you didnt expected those much |
| 07:09.49 | _Samo | well raytracing is a hot topic in many universities, |
| 07:10.01 | _Samo | and computer graphics in general |
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| 07:20.52 | _Samo | our project is www.yafaray.org |
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| 07:24.07 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:33.35 | anuragvickey | #gsoc |
| 07:35.19 | [mharrison] | Yes |
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| 07:36.41 | Chetan | hey |
| 07:36.54 | Chetan | what happens if we get selected by more than 1 org? |
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| 07:37.10 | thiago_home | they'll probably ask you which of the projects you want to do |
| 07:37.35 | thiago_home | or one of them will say "we really need Chetan", so the other one may let you go |
| 07:37.54 | Chetan | what info does the orgs have? |
| 07:38.03 | robbyoconnor | do students bother to even read the FAQ? |
| 07:38.07 | Chetan | i read on this channel.. |
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| 07:38.17 | Chetan | that conflicts are shown in the gsoc panel of the orgs |
| 07:38.27 | Chetan | i have read it many times |
| 07:38.30 | Chetan | this year n last year |
| 07:38.32 | Chetan | :P |
| 07:38.43 | robbyoconnor | it'll be resolved w/o your knowledge :P |
| 07:38.53 | lut4rp | I think that's an issue you should bother about *after* you're such a situation :) |
| 07:38.53 | Chetan | thats bad :P |
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| 07:39.00 | lut4rp | till then, hack on. |
| 07:39.21 | robbyoconnor | Chetan: why don't you just focus on actually getting accepted eh? |
| 07:39.23 | Chetan | k.. |
| 07:39.30 | Chetan | i m doing that |
| 07:39.31 | robbyoconnor | and stop jumping 3 steps ahead. |
| 07:39.32 | Chetan | :P |
| 07:39.38 | Chetan | obv.. |
| 07:39.51 | robbyoconnor | so less talk, more code |
| 07:39.52 | robbyoconnor | GO |
| 07:40.09 | Chetan | ok |
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| 07:41.36 | rajat | hey chetan |
| 07:41.41 | Chetan | hey |
| 07:41.47 | rajat | what project are you working on |
| 07:42.26 | robbyoconnor | im working on getting my 2009 in working order. |
| 07:42.33 | robbyoconnor | I have a few bugs to squash |
| 07:42.47 | robbyoconnor | I want a hat trick |
| 07:42.55 | lut4rp | hat trick on? :) |
| 07:43.02 | lut4rp | 3 years consecutive GSoC? |
| 07:43.04 | robbyoconnor | and i have two very incomplete projects -- well one complete-ish |
| 07:43.09 | robbyoconnor | yup! |
| 07:43.10 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 07:43.45 | Chetan | nice |
| 07:43.51 | Chetan | this will b my 2nd year |
| 07:43.58 | Chetan | so i want a 2-trick :P |
| 07:44.15 | lut4rp | Chetan, what did you work on last year? |
| 07:44.30 | Chetan | genmapp |
| 07:44.39 | Chetan | an ontology plugin |
| 07:44.53 | lut4rp | nice. |
| 07:44.56 | robbyoconnor | Chetan: that's nothing \ |
| 07:44.58 | Chetan | hw abt u? |
| 07:45.02 | robbyoconnor | the 3rd year is the special one! |
| 07:45.10 | lut4rp | robbyoconnor, lol |
| 07:45.14 | robbyoconnor | ...I can't find a project w/ my previous org :( |
| 07:45.17 | Chetan | lol |
| 07:45.20 | robbyoconnor | nothing is screaming my name :( |
| 07:45.21 | lut4rp | Chetan, I'm a Drupal contributor |
| 07:45.30 | robbyoconnor | I need to find a new org :( |
| 07:45.31 | lut4rp | before and after gsoc :) |
| 07:45.39 | Chetan | u r applyin as a mentor or student? |
| 07:45.42 | Chetan | this time |
| 07:45.55 | lut4rp | student possibly |
| 07:45.57 | robbyoconnor | ...maybe i should stay w/ my org and somehow convince them to let me do what i want |
| 07:45.57 | kblin | robbyoconnor: well, that's the way to do it |
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| 07:46.19 | lut4rp | I thought it would be unfair to apply to Drupal and partially block a slot :) |
| 07:46.22 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I wanna finish my project and bring it full circle |
| 07:46.25 | kblin | robbyoconnor: at least that's what I did for my third gsoc, finding some new challenges |
| 07:46.34 | robbyoconnor | :X |
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| 07:46.57 | robbyoconnor | I can't quite say "hey i did 2 summer of codes, and both years i delivered projects which had problems in the end.. |
| 07:46.59 | Chetan | right... |
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| 07:47.09 | robbyoconnor | my org understands |
| 07:47.17 | lut4rp | ok, bzflag time! |
| 07:47.17 | robbyoconnor | others may nopt be so...understanding |
| 07:47.27 | ajuonline | whacks robbyoconnor and pushes him off the brisge |
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| 07:47.34 | robbyoconnor | ajuonline: hush |
| 07:47.40 | kblin | well, you passed, didn't you? |
| 07:47.44 | robbyoconnor | yes |
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| 07:48.06 | robbyoconnor | I mean i've continued to work on my project |
| 07:48.20 | ihalip | mornin' |
| 07:48.24 | [mharrison] | Oh wow, 2 pages of scrollback already |
| 07:48.28 | Chetan | what was ur project? |
| 07:48.48 | robbyoconnor | Chetan: a project that once i got started, i wished i didnt pick it |
| 07:48.58 | Chetan | oh.. |
| 07:49.03 | Chetan | happens... |
| 07:49.09 | robbyoconnor | but i stuck it out ' |
| 07:49.17 | Chetan | what org/prject ? |
| 07:49.18 | robbyoconnor | and kinda got into my groove |
| 07:49.27 | robbyoconnor | Facility Data Module for OpenMRS |
| 07:50.04 | robbyoconnor | im off to bed |
| 07:50.05 | Chetan | cool... |
| 07:50.09 | robbyoconnor | gotta be up VERY soon |
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| 07:50.15 | kblin | eep |
| 07:50.21 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 07:50.21 | kblin | got to get to work soon :) |
| 07:52.04 | robbyoconnor | I actually cried at one point during the summer -- i wasn't having as much fun as i thought and instead felt a lot of stress and anxiety |
| 07:52.48 | robbyoconnor | but once i saw things coming full circle i felt a lot better |
| 07:53.20 | ashu | robbyoconnor were you a student or mentor ? |
| 07:53.26 | robbyoconnor | student |
| 07:53.40 | ashu | org? |
| 07:53.53 | robbyoconnor | my mentor had to help me a lot in the beginning -- turns out i had a REALLLLLLLLLLLLY piss poor understanding of the requirements :( |
| 07:54.47 | ashu | i too wanted to apply this summer , its my final year in the college but right now i am doing internship in an organisation so can't :( |
| 07:54.49 | robbyoconnor | and he handed me a design and i had a hard time grasping it and how it'd work... |
| 07:54.51 | [mharrison] | robbyoconnor, wait, was this last year, or the year we both were with MRS? |
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| 07:55.07 | robbyoconnor | last year |
| 07:55.11 | robbyoconnor | year before i had a ball |
| 07:55.22 | [mharrison] | Oh, you did OpenMRS 2 years in a row? |
| 07:56.04 | robbyoconnor | yup! |
| 07:56.06 | [mharrison] | kblin, my 1/4 German heritage clearly shows...I'm always on IRC when your country wakes up =P |
| 07:56.09 | robbyoconnor | first year w/ burke |
| 07:56.49 | robbyoconnor | second year w/ mike seaton (great guy -- learned a ton -- most notably: to not aim for perfection in the first try |
| 07:56.53 | robbyoconnor | ) |
| 07:57.11 | robbyoconnor | in fact the finished product is REALLLLLLLLLLLY not pretty |
| 07:57.20 | kblin | [mharrison]: hehe |
| 07:58.00 | robbyoconnor | ok bedtime for r0bby |
| 07:58.05 | [mharrison] | robbyoconnor, adios |
| 07:58.16 | robbyoconnor | then i think ill code a lil tomorrow |
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| 07:59.19 | robbyoconnor | I think im gonna squash one more bug then i can just shrug off the last "bug" as known |
| 07:59.33 | [mharrison] | Better not ever tell an employer that =P |
| 07:59.47 | ashu | lol. |
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| 08:00.27 | robbyoconnor | w00t |
| 08:00.37 | [mharrison] | "The app divided by zero again and we lost another city into a black hole..." "Yeah yeah, it's a known bug." |
| 08:00.39 | robbyoconnor | found a work around |
| 08:00.39 | robbyoconnor | :D |
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| 08:01.45 | ashu | so you ppl just got into the gsoc 10 and are in the coding phase this soon? |
| 08:01.56 | robbyoconnor | ashu: er no lol |
| 08:01.56 | [mharrison] | No |
| 08:02.02 | robbyoconnor | this is LAST summers |
| 08:02.13 | robbyoconnor | i'm still working on my gsoc 2009 project :P |
| 08:02.13 | [mharrison] | robbyoconnor's working on his AI girlbot |
| 08:02.35 | ashu | okay .. okay :P otherwise i was pretty scared lol. |
| 08:02.59 | robbyoconnor | well this is one way to handle it |
| 08:03.08 | robbyoconnor | it's an odd thing |
| 08:03.15 | robbyoconnor | :( |
| 08:03.22 | robbyoconnor | I hate this bug and it's driving me nuts |
| 08:03.37 | skbohra | robbyoconnor: have some sleep , you will feel better |
| 08:03.38 | [mharrison] | So multiply it by 2 |
| 08:04.32 | ashu | realised gsoc is not my thing .. i guess i'll have to call it quits :( |
| 08:04.32 | robbyoconnor | just writoing down my todo list |
| 08:05.12 | [mharrison] | ashu, that was a quit decision |
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| 08:05.23 | robbyoconnor | FAIL |
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| 08:05.47 | skbohra | ashu: did robbyoconnor scared you ? |
| 08:05.50 | robbyoconnor | I *HOPE* my hard work helps |
| 08:05.59 | robbyoconnor | even if i dont finish this |
| 08:06.03 | ashu | sort of . :P |
| 08:06.09 | [mharrison] | He has that effect on everyone |
| 08:06.11 | robbyoconnor | I'm gonna put something out |
| 08:06.16 | robbyoconnor | I MUST PUT OUT |
| 08:06.18 | robbyoconnor | SOMETHING |
| 08:06.19 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 08:06.24 | headache | hello |
| 08:06.30 | robbyoconnor | ashu: dude, do it! |
| 08:06.32 | [mharrison] | You put your hard work back in your pants and go to bed...we don't need you putting out here |
| 08:06.43 | skbohra | [mharrison]: hehe |
| 08:06.49 | robbyoconnor | [mharrison]: damn it |
| 08:06.58 | robbyoconnor | you saw right through it |
| 08:07.43 | ashu | when robbyoconnor himself says it .. i guess i should try . |
| 08:07.43 | robbyoconnor | ashu: in all honesty, google summer of code was the best thing I ever did |
| 08:07.43 | robbyoconnor | in the end all the stress and sleepless nights seemed worthwhile :) |
| 08:07.59 | comodo | guys, I've been reading through a bunch of ideas pages and I kinnda feel intimidated :P |
| 08:08.04 | robbyoconnor | my mentor of course lost me for the whole day after sleepless nights but damn i deserved it! |
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| 08:08.38 | [mharrison] | Man, Google Street View, with a few more tweaks, could be the world's greatest Earth MMORPG |
| 08:08.47 | robbyoconnor | I estimate that i put probably 80+ hrs week lol |
| 08:09.21 | comodo | I mean, I thought my two years of math, programming and computing science theory would prepare me for something like GSoC, but it looks like every org demands knowledge of specific systems |
| 08:09.27 | ashu | that magnificent .. graet work connor . |
| 08:09.32 | comodo | most of which I've never heard of :P |
| 08:09.54 | ashu | comodo i agree .. same is the case with me :( |
| 08:10.08 | robbyoconnor | what projects are you going for? |
| 08:10.21 | [mharrison] | comodo, GSoC is very competitive and it attracts some really stellar coders...but there are also projects geared towards less experienced coders |
| 08:10.42 | [mharrison] | The problem is, if you're an undergrad, you're competing with MS and PhD students |
| 08:10.53 | robbyoconnor | I have my doubts as to whether or not i'd get selected for a third year |
| 08:11.32 | ashu | yeah .. i realised that .. being an undergrad :| |
| 08:11.39 | ashu | i was going with a xwiki proj . |
| 08:12.06 | robbyoconnor | best of luck |
| 08:12.10 | robbyoconnor | ashu: don't give up |
| 08:12.17 | robbyoconnor | it's not over til the fat lady sings |
| 08:12.25 | robbyoconnor | ....bad saying to have here LOL |
| 08:12.25 | ashu | fat lady ? |
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| 08:12.31 | robbyoconnor | runs |
| 08:12.38 | ashu | :P |
| 08:12.43 | robbyoconnor | ashu: you never heard that expression |
| 08:12.47 | robbyoconnor | ? |
| 08:12.51 | welp | robbyoconnor: Especially on Ada Lovelace Day ;) |
| 08:12.52 | ashu | nope |
| 08:12.59 | ashu | ohh ..gotcha .. |
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| 08:13.04 | robbyoconnor | where do you live? |
| 08:13.10 | ashu | india |
| 08:13.12 | ashu | you ? |
| 08:13.17 | welp | I somewhat think that MSc and PhD students should be more inclined to mentor students rather than do coding |
| 08:13.17 | robbyoconnor | that explains it all :P |
| 08:13.21 | welp | But I guess all students want money |
| 08:13.38 | robbyoconnor | ashu: why don't you go for Sahana? |
| 08:13.39 | [mharrison] | Oh that is too funny. Street View just took me into a parking lot at a main intersection...I assume because the Google guys stopped to plan their route |
| 08:13.51 | robbyoconnor | ajuonline coded for them i think 2 summers in a row |
| 08:14.06 | welp | has never done it before |
| 08:14.42 | robbyoconnor | [mharrison]: you need to get out more! |
| 08:14.51 | [mharrison] | welp, I'd hate to exclude anyone, but I'd definitely support X number of slots set aside for undergrads |
| 08:14.52 | robbyoconnor | and I don't mean on google Street view! |
| 08:15.04 | ashu | hmm .. ne advice .. as on how to approach things ? |
| 08:15.06 | [mharrison] | Aw c'mon! This is just like being outside, except I don't have to wait for traffic |
| 08:15.43 | [mharrison] | It's pretty awesome when you intersect with another Street View path and the weather completely changes for a few steps |
| 08:15.47 | robbyoconnor | [mharrison: you dont have to wait for traffic |
| 08:15.49 | robbyoconnor | ever. |
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| 08:16.19 | robbyoconnor | or when it goes frm night to day and vice versa lol |
| 08:16.31 | robbyoconnor | im off |
| 08:16.35 | robbyoconnor | o/ |
| 08:16.42 | [mharrison] | I like seeing them pull over on the side of the road, too |
| 08:16.47 | [mharrison] | robbyoconnor, you've said that like 8 times |
| 08:17.00 | ashu | *gsoc is only for select few stellar coders * i am going to search for those project geared towards less exp . :( |
| 08:17.16 | robbyoconnor | pidgin |
| 08:17.17 | comodo | ashu: you and me both :P |
| 08:17.33 | robbyoconnor | sahana projects should be doable |
| 08:18.26 | ashu | well i am not sure wheather would they select me i don't have ohh so good profile :( |
| 08:18.50 | robbyoconnor | its all in your proposal |
| 08:19.06 | robbyoconnor | show them you have a clear plan of action |
| 08:19.10 | robbyoconnor | and it'll fall into place |
| 08:19.31 | welp | [mharrison]: Oh, I'm not saying that people should be excluded at all! But if Google were to (for example) mention on the GSoC page that a large part of the aim is to get undergraduate students Open Source experience |
| 08:19.38 | welp | That might put off some of the MSc/PhD students |
| 08:19.54 | [mharrison] | Well the goal isn't to get just undergrads...it's all students |
| 08:20.04 | welp | But on the other hand, I know a couple of very knowledgable freshers who are applying this year |
| 08:20.07 | welp | Yeah, that's true |
| 08:20.10 | ashu | well i guess then i am gonna go full time trying for sahana . |
| 08:20.26 | [mharrison] | Sure, I was a sophomore when I first did it |
| 08:20.32 | robbyoconnor | OpenMRS is also steller |
| 08:20.47 | robbyoconnor | but requires knowledge of java |
| 08:21.03 | [mharrison] | Grad student doesn't automatically mean better, but when you have a PhD student who has several years' experience researching and working on a problem similar to a GSoC project, the undergrad has no chance |
| 08:21.24 | welp | Yeah |
| 08:21.28 | [mharrison] | robbyoconnor, "requires Java" is like saying "Must know Notepad!" |
| 08:21.33 | ashu | *java* :) but *stellat* |
| 08:21.45 | ashu | lol . |
| 08:21.56 | robbyoconnor | ashu: please don't be offended: shut up |
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| 08:22.28 | [mharrison] | Says robbyoconnor of all people =P |
| 08:22.35 | robbyoconnor | OpenMRS is currently deployed in: Haiti, Peru, several African nations |
| 08:22.43 | robbyoconnor | and all over the developing world. |
| 08:23.07 | welp | O.O |
| 08:23.15 | robbyoconnor | welp: ? |
| 08:23.22 | robbyoconnor | and [mharrison]: ?!?! |
| 08:23.49 | [mharrison] | You've ceased making sense. Go to bed already |
| 08:23.59 | welp | ^this |
| 08:24.12 | robbyoconnor | BAH |
| 08:24.18 | robbyoconnor | :( |
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| 08:24.26 | ferringb | [mharrison]: depends on if the PhD student has done any coding vs the undergrad ;) |
| 08:24.30 | welp | The O.O was a look of incomprehension ;) |
| 08:24.48 | ashu | just one last question where can i get a few accepted applications from the pas so that i can get an i idea on how to apply ? |
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| 08:25.10 | robbyoconnor | ashu: the apps dont get published |
| 08:25.24 | robbyoconnor | speak to your prospective mentor |
| 08:25.40 | ashu | don't have ne :( |
| 08:25.41 | robbyoconnor | (They will help you put together an application that shines) |
| 08:25.53 | robbyoconnor | well find a project, then locate the mentor |
| 08:25.57 | lut4rp | mentors have pixie dust? |
| 08:26.03 | scorche|sh | ashu: typically there is a template that a student should follow for their app |
| 08:26.05 | comodo | ashu: the mozilla ideas page had links to previous accepted applications |
| 08:26.38 | scorche|sh | but yes. you likely would be off to a good start if you contact your desired mentoring orgs while working on your app |
| 08:26.39 | ashu | comodo thanks .. i guess thats would be helpful. |
| 08:27.13 | ashu | comodo where u from *just curious* |
| 08:28.26 | comodo | ashu: Sweden |
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| 08:31.41 | welp | Morning spectie |
| 08:31.46 | spectie | mornin' |
| 08:32.01 | welp | hasn't managed to get ahold of his prospective mentor yet |
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| 08:32.12 | welp | Maybe I'll go work on something else. |
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| 08:32.55 | [mharrison] | I'm so happy that facebook finds it to be HILARIOUS that I've been in school for so long. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=44336270&l=97b02e8657&id=9125091 |
| 08:34.46 | welp | [mharrison]: Nice |
| 08:35.18 | comodo | [mharrison]: haha. how long HAVE you been in school? |
| 08:35.32 | [mharrison] | comodo, 70 years, by the looks of it |
| 08:35.42 | ashu | lol |
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| 08:36.50 | comodo | [mharrison]: oh, be nice. He doesn't look a day over 69 |
| 08:36.54 | comodo | :) |
| 08:37.14 | [mharrison] | However old he is, he's not very happy about it |
| 08:37.25 | skbohra | wondering if he gets paid for his images ? |
| 08:38.01 | comodo | well... maybe he's like 30. If I look like that when I'm thirty I'll probably be miserable too |
| 08:38.26 | [mharrison] | Nah, that's a stock photo, skbohra |
| 08:38.32 | [mharrison] | So he got paid once and signed away his face |
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| 08:39.43 | [mharrison] | Those ClassesUSA ads are *weird*. The other day it showed a creepy B&W photo of a man hugging his very pregnant (and nude) wife's stomach, and it told me husbands can get grant money |
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| 08:40.44 | ashu | lol |
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| 08:48.14 | [mharrison] | woot. 4 more StackOverflow rep and I can leave comments |
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| 09:35.06 | gowri | hi I have a doubt regarding joining GSoC. I am currently doing research in a research institute(as a research associate). can i join GSoc as a participant? |
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| 09:37.45 | [mharrison] | gowri, are you enrolled as a university student? |
| 09:38.01 | [mharrison] | !faq |
| 09:38.01 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 09:38.26 | ashu | i am working as an intern for an organisation right now . .. can i join ? |
| 09:38.35 | gowri | no actually i have finished my university studies on may 2009 and now is a research associate |
| 09:38.52 | gowri | doing research |
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| 09:40.06 | [mharrison] | points to the FAQ |
| 09:40.33 | gowri | i read them. but i could not find a case similar t omine |
| 09:40.41 | ashu | same here . |
| 09:40.47 | gowri | thats why i am posting it here |
| 09:40.53 | gowri | if somebody could help... |
| 09:41.23 | [mharrison] | 1-3 pretty much sums it up... http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#eligibility |
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| 09:42.28 | gowri | ok does it mean only if i am enrolled in a university can i join? |
| 09:42.47 | [mharrison] | Correct |
| 09:43.46 | ashu | but i am already working as an intern for an organisation .. does that disqualifies me ? |
| 09:43.49 | gowri | ok... I thought doing research would mean a student |
| 09:46.05 | [mharrison] | If you're not in a degree program, you're not a student |
| 09:46.30 | gowri | ok... Thanks |
| 09:46.38 | gowri | for the information |
| 09:46.44 | [mharrison] | Sure |
| 09:46.53 | ojwb | [mharrison]: phd students can take part |
| 09:47.08 | [mharrison] | ojwb, yes...they're in a degree program |
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| 09:47.33 | ashu | i am enrolled and am in the last sem of of my undergraduate program . |
| 09:48.00 | ashu | but not in the university .. there was a program that lets me spend my last sem at an organisation . |
| 09:49.06 | [mharrison] | You don't have to be taking classes, you just have to be enrolled...will you be in a program which will grant you a degree as of April 26, 2010? |
| 09:49.54 | ashu | no i guess it will grant me degree after april .. may be in may or june . |
| 09:50.13 | ashu | or july may be . |
| 09:50.33 | [mharrison] | Right. But will you be in the program as of April 26? |
| 09:50.34 | ashu | but as on 26th april .. i am enrolled there .. |
| 09:50.44 | [mharrison] | Ok, then you should be eligible |
| 09:50.45 | ashu | gotcha. . i was getting confused. . |
| 09:50.53 | ashu | thank you .. |
| 09:51.01 | [mharrison] | Sure |
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| 09:55.44 | [mharrison] | Bah. StackOverflow is too effing fast |
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| 10:02.08 | ojwb | [mharrison]: oh right, gowri is a research associate, not a phd student |
| 10:02.28 | [mharrison] | So it seems |
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| 10:07.57 | heroid | hi |
| 10:08.30 | heroid | I'm 16 years old and i want to participate in GSOC am i able to? |
| 10:08.40 | ojwb | not for 2 years |
| 10:08.50 | heroid | ahh... |
| 10:08.55 | heroid | so in 2 years i can? |
| 10:08.55 | ojwb | sorry |
| 10:09.02 | ojwb | if you are a student then, yes |
| 10:09.22 | ojwb | and not from one of the short list of countries google aren't allowed to do business with by us law |
| 10:09.56 | ojwb | the faq has the gory details |
| 10:10.03 | heroid | is Kosovo part of the countries with which google is allowed to do business |
| 10:10.15 | ojwb | pretty sure that's fine |
| 10:10.23 | heroid | okay thanks :D |
| 10:10.35 | heroid | because i translated the GSOC flayer to albanian |
| 10:10.39 | [mharrison] | !faq |
| 10:10.39 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 10:10.41 | heroid | and i thought i could participate |
| 10:10.51 | [mharrison] | !help |
| 10:10.51 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 10:11.04 | ojwb | heroid: there's "gnu generation" which is kind of similar and open to younger people |
| 10:11.08 | [mharrison] | !botabuse |
| 10:11.08 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 10:11.13 | ojwb | that has "prizes" rather than a cash stipend |
| 10:11.20 | heroid | i won gnu generation in November 2009 |
| 10:11.21 | [mharrison] | Way to not use /msg, bot |
| 10:11.25 | heroid | already |
| 10:11.30 | ojwb | you're way ahead of me then |
| 10:11.53 | heroid | well, i keep trying |
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| 10:12.39 | heroid | how old are you ojwb ? |
| 10:12.48 | schumaml | it is a bit disappointing that someone who translated a flyer doesn't read the faq ;) |
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| 10:13.45 | heroid | well, i saw the video but just thought if there are any exceptions :P |
| 10:14.10 | heroid | there was also this 17 year old guy who complained about the age and asked if he could participate |
| 10:14.13 | heroid | anyway thanks :D |
| 10:14.42 | ojwb | heroid: I've just run out of fingers |
| 10:14.59 | heroid | run out of fingers what do you mean? |
| 10:15.35 | Chainsaw | heroid: His age just exceeded 10, at which point he could no longer count it on the fingers of both hands. |
| 10:15.54 | heroid | hahha :P |
| 10:16.37 | heroid | continue with you're toes |
| 10:16.42 | heroid | then |
| 10:16.55 | straydawg | use binary instead of unary |
| 10:16.57 | kai | count binary |
| 10:17.01 | straydawg | jinx |
| 10:17.05 | kai | :) |
| 10:17.33 | heroid | count in binary with you're fingers |
| 10:17.37 | heroid | i can teach you |
| 10:17.39 | ojwb | "your" |
| 10:17.41 | straydawg | :/ |
| 10:17.48 | ojwb | is not fingers |
| 10:17.51 | heroid | sorry your fingers |
| 10:18.00 | [mharrison] | Come on guys...this is 2010. Cloud computing! Let's all compute some part of ojwb 's age |
| 10:18.31 | heroid | so guys you use GNU/Linux also? |
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| 10:19.42 | kai | ojwb: but you're toes, right? |
| 10:20.02 | [mharrison] | No, what's that? Some kind of Blu-Ray, heroid ? |
| 10:20.26 | heroid | lol |
| 10:20.50 | heroid | [mharrison]: you are joking right? |
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| 10:21.46 | [mharrison] | It's safe to say that on a channel about free software, at least one person has something old, something borrowed, and something GNU. It's also safe to say that not everyone who is involved with free software uses Linux |
| 10:22.15 | heroid | ... |
| 10:22.20 | heroid | well after i saw that video |
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| 10:28.31 | heroid | i thought that most of people participating on GSOC don't have so much experience |
| 10:28.40 | heroid | with free software |
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| 10:29.52 | ojwb | most of the students don't |
| 10:29.58 | ojwb | hopefully most of the mentors do |
| 10:30.07 | bobbens | depends on the project |
| 10:30.17 | bobbens | the projects I'm looking at have pretty high requirements :) |
| 10:30.38 | heroid | like what? |
| 10:30.41 | ojwb | for free software experience? |
| 10:30.53 | heroid | yep like most of them don't use gnu/linux |
| 10:31.05 | heroid | many didn't know who RMS is |
| 10:31.07 | [mharrison] | Huh? |
| 10:31.10 | heroid | or Linus Torvalds |
| 10:31.39 | ojwb | heroid: that was directed at bobbens |
| 10:32.06 | bobbens | ojwb: in general knowing a specific language, knowing how to use typical open source tools (svn, git, etc...) |
| 10:32.21 | bobbens | and usually some other funky stuff that you should already know :) |
| 10:32.31 | ojwb | but knowing a language isn't previous free software experience |
| 10:32.35 | ojwb | that's previous experience |
| 10:32.40 | heroid | yep |
| 10:32.41 | _Samo | heroid, I believe the GSoc program should be for students to work in a FOSS |
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| 10:32.52 | bobbens | ojwb: well mainly the open source methodology |
| 10:32.58 | bobbens | which some companies and schools do use too |
| 10:32.59 | heroid | yeah they will learn how to work with FOSS |
| 10:33.03 | heroid | sooner or later |
| 10:33.06 | kai | bobbens: applies for other work as well |
| 10:33.31 | _Samo | heroid, I think GSoC shold be used by students to learn about specific programming fields |
| 10:33.35 | kai | bobbens: at $DAYJOB, we also use compilers, source control and whatnot |
| 10:33.37 | ojwb | it's up to the org what the pick students based on, but certainly one general aim of the program is to introduce new people |
| 10:33.41 | _Samo | *should not |
| 10:33.54 | bobbens | kai: good jobs should do that, but in my experience most do horrible nasty things that can't be mentioned :) |
| 10:33.56 | kai | it's just that the source control is mercurial, and so far we don't really like each other |
| 10:34.02 | _Samo | heroid, you already have universities for that |
| 10:34.03 | bobbens | of course spain isn't known for it's advanced technology usage :) |
| 10:34.21 | heroid | i know you do |
| 10:34.28 | bobbens | the other day someone was bragging that at their company they had just gotten "ftp" |
| 10:34.35 | schumaml | _Samo: unfortunately some studies don't teach you that much about programming |
| 10:34.40 | bobbens | which is a bit depressing :P |
| 10:34.42 | schumaml | for example CS :) |
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| 10:36.01 | _Samo | schumaml, mentors can guide students but organisations are not a coding school, many small projects don't have resources for such tasks |
| 10:36.48 | _Samo | schumaml, we need also to finish succesfully our approved projects |
| 10:36.57 | heroid | _Samo: i have meet so many people with who i talked about free software and 20% of them know what GNU/linux is |
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| 10:37.43 | heroid | they simply call it "Linux" |
| 10:37.58 | heroid | and the other precentageonly knows Windows |
| 10:38.15 | [mharrison] | heroid, I still have no idea what you're talking about |
| 10:38.27 | heroid | but there also is another precentage who knows Mac and a very small one who knows Unix |
| 10:38.42 | heroid | mhutchw|gone: .... |
| 10:39.19 | [mharrison] | Oh woot. Just got 56 rep on StackOverflow. I can finally leave comments on posts so people stop downranking me when I give answers that ask for clarification =/ |
| 10:40.51 | heroid | [mharrison]: ... |
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| 10:41.47 | [mharrison] | jgay, good lord you get up early |
| 10:43.47 | jgay | [mharrison], you should go to bed. |
| 10:44.03 | heroid | lol its 11:43 AM over here |
| 10:44.22 | [mharrison] | jgay, no can do. Exam today |
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| 10:47.01 | AshishG | Good evening everyone! ^_^ |
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| 10:49.33 | kai | oh man, mercurial and me friends don't make |
| 10:49.51 | jgay | [mharrison], well, good luck with your exam. But, remember, a few hours of sleep goes a long way for increasing focus and concentration :-) |
| 10:50.56 | [mharrison] | jgay, yeah, no kidding. The good news is it's mostly a memorization/definition type exam so I'm not too worried. Just have to make sure I've read everything |
| 10:51.10 | ojwb | and memory... |
| 10:51.40 | AshishG | hates memorization exms |
| 10:52.02 | [mharrison] | AshishG, why? It's an easy grade |
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| 10:52.19 | AshishG | i can't get to memorize |
| 10:52.21 | [mharrison] | I suppose it depends on the subject matter though |
| 10:52.25 | AshishG | understanding and logic is easy |
| 10:52.39 | AshishG | compared to memorization for me |
| 10:53.20 | [mharrison] | Interesting |
| 10:54.32 | [mharrison] | I have no problems memorizing facts and definitions, but under the pressure of an exam, I have problems working out analytical problems that I'd otherwise be able to do...and I end up doing stupid things like I did on my AI exam the other week...lost 12 points because I came to the right answer, then second-guessed myself, crossed it all out, and did the problem again to get the wrong answer |
| 10:54.49 | AshishG | anyway, they grade relative here, so ppl find it earier to memorize and then i get screwed |
| 10:55.02 | ojwb | recalls being praised at junior school for having spent time learning his "times tables" |
| 10:55.21 | ojwb | which I hadn't at all, I just had worked out how to work them out |
| 10:55.27 | [mharrison] | lol |
| 10:55.30 | AshishG | :D |
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| 11:04.22 | AshishG | has his exams too, starting this saturday |
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| 11:19.58 | [mharrison] | Looks like from a lot of the nicks in here, India's really representing this year |
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| 11:20.42 | sonne_ | !rejected |
| 11:20.42 | socinfo | "rejected" is If you want to find out why your org was rejected, ask lh politely when she's around - she should be this evening west coast US time (PST) |
| 11:21.25 | SukhE_ | [mharrison]: That is because 'they are so many of us. And we are everywhere!' |
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| 11:21.49 | [mharrison] | haha, that's true! I love the Indian people <3 |
| 11:22.17 | WWS | hey guys... so how does one go about finding a mentor for drupal? |
| 11:22.24 | Dark_Shikari | talk to drupal |
| 11:22.34 | Dark_Shikari | [mharrison]: they will stop being overrepresented once the actual acceptances happen |
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| 11:23.48 | [mharrison] | Dark_Shikari, why do you say that? Technically everyone will have less representation |
| 11:24.08 | Dark_Shikari | because groups which on average have lower quality will have lower representation in the final results |
| 11:25.03 | [mharrison] | o.O |
| 11:25.52 | Dark_Shikari | simple math |
| 11:26.07 | ojwb | certainly if you look at the statistics, India is noticably proportionally larger in applications than in accepted students |
| 11:26.12 | Dark_Shikari | if group A has 1000 people and a 10% odds of acceptance and group B has 200 people and 50% odds of acceptance |
| 11:26.18 | Dark_Shikari | both will have 100 accepted |
| 11:26.28 | [mharrison] | Careful, I don't think you want to piss off a country of 1bil+ people + emmigrants =P |
| 11:26.37 | Dark_Shikari | and india, by and large, has utter garbage quality applicants, not because they're stupid, but because of money |
| 11:26.52 | Dark_Shikari | Because the money is so valuable, tons of people apply just for the money |
| 11:26.57 | skbohra | is all ears |
| 11:26.58 | Dark_Shikari | and whenever that happens, you get really BAD applicants. |
| 11:27.05 | Dark_Shikari | Of course, this isn't true of everyone |
| 11:27.16 | Dark_Shikari | but it's the reason why there's such a large number of often-bad applicants from India. |
| 11:27.32 | Dark_Shikari | to the point where they drown out the good ones and make it unfair for them |
| 11:27.58 | Dark_Shikari | and anyone who thinks otherwise has never mentored before ;) |
| 11:28.01 | [mharrison] | There's a large number of EVERYTHING from India. Good stuff, bad stuff, average stuff...it's a huge population. Everything's big |
| 11:28.17 | skbohra | True |
| 11:28.26 | skbohra | we are really almost everywhere |
| 11:28.34 | Dark_Shikari | I have never received a garbage application from anywhere other than india or china |
| 11:28.42 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: I've certainly noticed some very poor applications from there, but hadn't really thought about why |
| 11:28.45 | [mharrison] | I find that hard to believe |
| 11:28.51 | Dark_Shikari | where "garbage" means "student applied without reading the rules, coming on irc, or doing anything he was told to do before applying" |
| 11:29.11 | Dark_Shikari | I suspect there are a lot of people from there who simply throw out tons of applications |
| 11:29.25 | Dark_Shikari | as I said, it's rather making it unfair for the _good_ students for those countries |
| 11:29.29 | Dark_Shikari | *from |
| 11:29.35 | ojwb | we've seen ones which don't mention the project name or area we work in |
| 11:29.43 | Dark_Shikari | ojwb: those are hilarious |
| 11:29.46 | ojwb | which I could imagine were sent to another 19 orgs |
| 11:29.46 | Dark_Shikari | the one-sentence project ideas |
| 11:29.58 | ojwb | sentences? you were lucky... |
| 11:30.04 | Dark_Shikari | haha |
| 11:30.04 | schumaml | we had from from a student who didn't expect coding |
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| 11:30.10 | schumaml | s/from/one/ |
| 11:30.12 | Dark_Shikari | coding? in my summer of code? |
| 11:30.24 | schumaml | yep |
| 11:30.40 | Dark_Shikari | (it's more likely than you think) |
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| 11:30.51 | ojwb | well, it's not summer for everyone, so why should it be code for everyone? |
| 11:30.56 | Dark_Shikari | hahahahaha |
| 11:30.59 | schumaml | it was mostly our fault, though - the mentor had described the task as 'interaction design' |
| 11:31.00 | Dark_Shikari | yeah, in australia, there's no coding to do |
| 11:31.23 | AshishG | i am from India and i agree with Dark_Shikari |
| 11:31.29 | AshishG | sorry |
| 11:31.33 | AshishG | not DArk_shikari |
| 11:31.37 | AshishG | i agree with ojwb |
| 11:31.50 | AshishG | there are a lot of applicants form here and some are bound to get selected |
| 11:31.55 | schumaml | we managed to clear this up in time (long before the applications started), but it was a real surprise |
| 11:31.55 | AshishG | and we do a lot of faking too |
| 11:32.09 | skbohra | thinks there are more Indians here then any other country |
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| 11:32.25 | ojwb | skbohra: um, that seems likely... |
| 11:32.34 | schumaml | as in five variations of one's name to appear as five students? |
| 11:32.46 | Dark_Shikari | if the pay was proportional to regional expenses, most would disappear ;) |
| 11:32.58 | AshishG | :P |
| 11:33.20 | AshishG | no as in i have fellow students here who write up a lot of BS that they never did |
| 11:33.31 | AshishG | i upload my codes to SF instead |
| 11:33.39 | ojwb | we had an applicant last year who claimed good python, yet his blog revealled he'd started to learn it less than a month before |
| 11:33.47 | [mharrison] | The global economy has created a unique situation for India and IT, so of course you're going to get a ton of applications, and of course there will be a ton of good and a ton of bad. The bad apps from, say, the US don't stand out as much because there's just a lot less |
| 11:33.52 | ojwb | if you're going to lie, at least try... |
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| 11:34.46 | skbohra | [mharrison]: we dont have too much options to do in summer here |
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| 11:35.03 | WWS | why does india stand out with bad application? are you telling me that other countries dont have the same type of random applicants? |
| 11:35.07 | Dark_Shikari | ojwb: well, from an asian friend of mine, there seems to be the following relationship |
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| 11:35.16 | Dark_Shikari | Japan: everyone understates their ability. nobody is willing to admit they are good. |
| 11:35.21 | Dark_Shikari | China: in the middle |
| 11:35.28 | Dark_Shikari | India: Everyone is an expert, regardless of how bad they are. |
| 11:35.35 | schumaml | the way I see it, a public statement from Indian students against this would be the most powerful |
| 11:35.50 | WWS | that seems quite harsh... dark_shikari |
| 11:35.55 | Dark_Shikari | from japan they're not willing to admit they are good, from india they're not willing to admit they are bad. |
| 11:36.01 | Dark_Shikari | and it's really annoying for both. |
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| 11:36.15 | Dark_Shikari | and not merely within gsoc. |
| 11:36.19 | ojwb | WWS: I think you see them from most places, but they seem a lot more common some places, India particularly |
| 11:36.49 | [mharrison] | I'd be interested in seeing a percentage breakdown in good vs bad apps from every country |
| 11:36.54 | ojwb | as people have said, the value of the stipend in the local economy is probably a factor, as is sheer population |
| 11:36.56 | [mharrison] | Because you can't just go by the volume of apps |
| 11:36.58 | AshishG | haha |
| 11:37.07 | Dark_Shikari | hmm, are past years' applications still around? |
| 11:37.12 | WWS | maybe theres a sociological reason for that, india has a HUGE competition base you see.. large population, everybodies fighting for a chance... |
| 11:37.13 | Dark_Shikari | I can go look at 2008's |
| 11:37.14 | Dark_Shikari | or 2009's |
| 11:37.23 | ojwb | WWS: maybe |
| 11:37.30 | AshishG | ojwb dude, u are screwing with my country's name, yet don't offend me :P |
| 11:37.35 | schumaml | ineligible vs. eligible by country could already provide a trend |
| 11:37.47 | Dark_Shikari | AshishG: learn to make fun of your own country =p |
| 11:37.57 | Dark_Shikari | so anyways, are the old years' applications still around |
| 11:38.06 | ojwb | AshishG: you're rubbish too! |
| 11:38.23 | WWS | as an indian college student myself.. i find this rather shockign |
| 11:38.37 | garbeam_ | I think there is a relation between open source and developed countries, meaning, open source is developed mainly in countries where people live in social security and societies are wealthy (Europe/US/Japan), those do open source for fun and not for money |
| 11:38.40 | Dark_Shikari | woot, I found last year's applications for videolan |
| 11:38.40 | [mharrison] | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2009 |
| 11:38.52 | SukhE_ | This might be because of two reasons: 1) The number of CS engineers that India produces every year. 2). The exchange rate. |
| 11:38.59 | [mharrison] | A high percentage of Indian names, but I don't know what the actual numbers are |
| 11:39.08 | Dark_Shikari | SukhE_: well, india has the issue where a huge portion of CS majors are incompetent idiots |
| 11:39.15 | Dark_Shikari | not because indians are any less smart than anyone else |
| 11:39.20 | Dark_Shikari | but because way too many people apply for CS programs |
| 11:39.26 | [mharrison] | Dark_Shikari, and a huge portion of them are brilliant |
| 11:39.27 | Dark_Shikari | including people who are really not smart enough to do it |
| 11:39.31 | Dark_Shikari | Oh sure, there's plenty of smart ones |
| 11:39.32 | garbeam_ | the high percentage of students from developing countries in gsoc is related to the fact that they dont do open source development for free because they have to earn a living |
| 11:39.33 | [mharrison] | And a huge portion are average... |
| 11:39.35 | Dark_Shikari | but there are a _LOT_ of dumb ones |
| 11:39.39 | Dark_Shikari | far more than in other countries |
| 11:39.53 | Dark_Shikari | and they usually end up doing rentacoder stuff |
| 11:39.53 | WWS | but at least you can say that the dumb ones are trying.. |
| 11:39.57 | Dark_Shikari | because all the smart ones got good jobs |
| 11:40.37 | svbg | map |
| 11:40.39 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: have you been here ? |
| 11:40.40 | Dark_Shikari | that's an annoying problem with india and china--when companies outsource there, they often get the worst programmers, because the good programmers all got better jobs. |
| 11:41.00 | WWS | hey..do you know how much pressure is put on an average engg student in india? |
| 11:41.01 | Dark_Shikari | skbohra: nope. it's a long flight. |
| 11:41.03 | [mharrison] | Again, there's just a *lot* of everything. You also have to factor in how many are studying abroad |
| 11:41.06 | garbeam_ | if you follow my argumentation: open source for money produces less quality than open source for fun |
| 11:41.07 | Dark_Shikari | WWS: probably not as much as china ;) |
| 11:41.14 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: i invite you to come |
| 11:41.17 | Dark_Shikari | garbeam_: I would agree, but for reasons of pressure. |
| 11:41.28 | ojwb | garbeam_: oi, I do this for a living! |
| 11:41.29 | WWS | the only thing a final year student thinks about 95% og the time |
| 11:41.30 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. the more pressure people are put on to succeed, the worse the results will often be |
| 11:41.35 | WWS | is how his placements are going to go |
| 11:41.48 | Dark_Shikari | anyways guys, I have the videolan applications up |
| 11:41.54 | Dark_Shikari | this is a huge ton of applications for a major project |
| 11:41.58 | Dark_Shikari | so we can do some statistical analysis |
| 11:42.11 | AshishG | ojwb: you to are rubbing my friend :P |
| 11:42.11 | [mharrison] | Dark_Shikari, I'd be interested in seeing that |
| 11:43.25 | AshishG | too* |
| 11:44.03 | AshishG | Dark_Shikari: where in India are you from? |
| 11:44.17 | Dark_Shikari | I'm not |
| 11:44.23 | WWS | i think its unfair singling india out as a source of bad applications... i mean okay so you get 800 bad application from indian students... and say 100 good ones.. are you telling me that the good students are biased against even before application period? |
| 11:45.05 | Dark_Shikari | ok, anyways, let's look at these applications |
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| 11:45.23 | Dark_Shikari | hmm, it would be sorta hard to grade all of these |
| 11:45.29 | Dark_Shikari | there's 77 |
| 11:46.31 | Dark_Shikari | oh true, they're already ranked by score |
| 11:46.35 | ojwb | WWS: hopefully not |
| 11:46.42 | Dark_Shikari | oh this is actually pretty funny, whoever wrote this web app fails |
| 11:46.44 | WWS | ... |
| 11:46.48 | Dark_Shikari | they sorted the scores LEXICOGRAPHICALLY |
| 11:46.53 | Dark_Shikari | so -16 comes before -1 |
| 11:46.58 | [mharrison] | lol |
| 11:47.02 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: he's not an Indain , I am sure |
| 11:47.11 | skbohra | Indian* |
| 11:47.13 | Mek | -16 is smaller than -1? |
| 11:47.16 | Dark_Shikari | actually its worse than that |
| 11:47.20 | ojwb | is this melange, or the old webapp? |
| 11:47.24 | WWS | melange |
| 11:47.27 | Dark_Shikari | here's the ordering: |
| 11:47.28 | Dark_Shikari | -4 |
| 11:47.28 | Dark_Shikari | -3 |
| 11:47.29 | Dark_Shikari | -2 |
| 11:47.31 | Dark_Shikari | -16 |
| 11:47.33 | Dark_Shikari | -1 |
| 11:47.37 | Dark_Shikari | But guess what comes before -4? |
| 11:47.38 | Dark_Shikari | 0. |
| 11:47.47 | Dark_Shikari | 0, -4, -3, -2, -16, -1. |
| 11:47.52 | [mharrison] | wtf? |
| 11:47.55 | Dark_Shikari | brilliant? |
| 11:48.11 | kai | sheesh, use a pastebin and write a bug report >( |
| 11:48.14 | kai | er |
| 11:48.17 | AshishG | Dark_Shikari: when then are you from. Shikari seemed Hindi |
| 11:48.19 | kai | :) |
| 11:48.33 | Dark_Shikari | AshishG: <joke>it's my indian detector</joke> |
| 11:48.33 | kai | switched keyboard layouts, sorry |
| 11:48.46 | Dark_Shikari | anyways, let's count negative-ranked proposals then |
| 11:49.05 | Dark_Shikari | Total negative-ranked: 22 |
| 11:49.44 | WWS | and by country of origin? |
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| 11:51.06 | Dark_Shikari | Total indian: wow. like half the indian applicant are from the institute of technology in kharagpur |
| 11:51.16 | Dark_Shikari | er, s/Total indian// |
| 11:51.43 | ihalip | Dark_Shikari: where, where? |
| 11:51.52 | Dark_Shikari | from the applications I was looking at |
| 11:51.56 | ihalip | link me |
| 11:51.59 | Dark_Shikari | it's private |
| 11:52.02 | ojwb | you tend to get clumps from particular unis |
| 11:52.04 | ihalip | :( |
| 11:52.09 | ojwb | people hear about it and tell their classmates |
| 11:52.11 | Dark_Shikari | anyways, so we have at least 6 Indian applicants actually from India |
| 11:52.16 | WWS | ok |
| 11:52.16 | Dark_Shikari | more if we count from outside, about 8 I think |
| 11:52.31 | Dark_Shikari | now let's look at the top applications instead of the bottom |
| 11:52.53 | WWS | whos that? |
| 11:53.49 | kai | this sort of works the other way around as well |
| 11:53.56 | Dark_Shikari | number accepted from India: zero |
| 11:54.04 | Dark_Shikari | out of 12 |
| 11:54.23 | Dark_Shikari | out of applications rated 5 or higher (24): 3 from India. |
| 11:54.24 | kai | some of my fellow students said they didn't want to participate in gsoc because the pay was pretty bad |
| 11:54.30 | Dark_Shikari | kai: yeah :/ |
| 11:54.43 | Dark_Shikari | at $5000, it's not even enough for housing + food in many countries |
| 11:54.58 | Dark_Shikari | It might make sense if it was scaled based on local expense |
| 11:55.09 | kai | logistic nightmare |
| 11:55.16 | Tronic | There's a similar program in Finland, organized by COSS, with significantly better pay. |
| 11:55.24 | Dark_Shikari | Tronic: what do they pay? |
| 11:55.26 | WWS | but how many people apply just for the pay> |
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| 11:55.37 | Dark_Shikari | WWS: it's partially the reverse I imagine |
| 11:55.43 | Dark_Shikari | "I can get a much better-paying job doing X, and I need the money" |
| 11:55.51 | Dark_Shikari | "I'd rather do GSOC, but if it pays $5000 less, I can't afford it" |
| 11:55.58 | WWS | ohh |
| 11:56.07 | kai | right |
| 11:56.22 | kai | I did GSoC as sort of a paid hobby project |
| 11:56.26 | [mharrison] | $5k for 3 months is still pretty good for an undergrad in the US...if you pretend cost/time doesn't matter |
| 11:56.32 | kai | the first actually as a paid b.sc thesis :) |
| 11:56.53 | Tronic | Dark_Shikari: 1800 €/month. |
| 11:56.55 | Dark_Shikari | [mharrison]: no, no, it's not good |
| 11:57.13 | kai | Tronic: wtf? that's better than my grad job, dammit |
| 11:57.17 | [mharrison] | For an undergrad summer job in the US? Are you kidding? |
| 11:57.45 | Dark_Shikari | er... let's look at what tech companies pay for undergrad internships ok? |
| 11:57.52 | Dark_Shikari | facebook: $4800-5400 per month, plus housing |
| 11:57.59 | Dark_Shikari | green hills software: ~$4000 per month, plus housing |
| 11:58.12 | drt24 | got £2200 for 10 weeks work in the UK last summer |
| 11:58.14 | WWS | so about gsoc - say i'm submitting an application for drupal. do i have to be very experienced at it before applying? |
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| 11:58.29 | drt24 | GSoC is ~£3000 for 12 weeks |
| 11:58.32 | Dark_Shikari | ~$18 an hour is considered baseline pay |
| 11:58.33 | ibot | okay, Dark_Shikari |
| 11:58.35 | kai | WWS: talk to the drupal folks? |
| 11:58.37 | [mharrison] | Of course there's better. But it's not bad compared to our poor friends studying the humanities |
| 11:58.42 | [mharrison] | Brewing our coffee for us |
| 11:58.42 | SukhE | Microsoft in India pays Rs. 25, 000 per month for an intern. If you look at SoC, it turns out to be Rs. 80,000 per month. Not bad eh? |
| 11:58.44 | Dark_Shikari | [mharrison]: yeah, but we don't care about them ;) |
| 11:59.04 | kai | SukhE: and pretty much explains what Dark_Shikari was complaining about |
| 11:59.15 | x` | Yeah, I could do worse with a summer job in Slovenia too ... |
| 11:59.29 | WWS | hmm.. |
| 11:59.31 | kai | x`: sure, it really depends on where you're from |
| 11:59.32 | ojwb | looking at swig's for 2009, 2 were marked "invalid", one from russia, one from india; 3 got a negative score (valid application, but we wouldn't want a slot for them) all from india |
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| 11:59.37 | SukhE | Indeed it depends. |
| 11:59.51 | Dark_Shikari | this is the hidden downside of living in a supposedly "rich" country |
| 11:59.52 | ojwb | we accepted 5 students, one indian, one indian living in the US |
| 12:00.03 | Dark_Shikari | everything costs more |
| 12:00.06 | ojwb | and another we'd have considered mentoring |
| 12:00.35 | kai | x`: but if I pulled factory shifts for Mercedes, Porsche or Bosch (all of which are local here), I could easily earn more |
| 12:00.35 | ojwb | so not as bad as Dark_Shikari's figures, but the bad applications have a definite bias |
| 12:00.42 | kai | and that's as an unskilled worker |
| 12:00.53 | x` | i see what you all mean, yes |
| 12:01.03 | Dark_Shikari | I mean, many _US_ companies and organizations pay based on region |
| 12:01.07 | Dark_Shikari | let alone international companies |
| 12:01.26 | Dark_Shikari | of course, one could argue regional pay is unfair as well in a different way. |
| 12:01.26 | x` | are you saying that gsoc's student base is biased towards countries with a lower standard? |
| 12:01.39 | kai | x`: no |
| 12:01.41 | Dark_Shikari | x`: towards regions with lower average wage |
| 12:01.49 | WWS | that makes sense.. |
| 12:01.50 | kai | x`: the applications might be |
| 12:01.56 | Dark_Shikari | and yes, applications, not students |
| 12:02.02 | ojwb | and towards countries with an academic year which fits the timeline sanely |
| 12:02.09 | kai | x`: I think the people who actually make it tend to be pretty good |
| 12:02.12 | WWS | indians do have a thing for applying for anything they het their hands on |
| 12:02.24 | kai | no matter where they're from |
| 12:02.24 | Dark_Shikari | WWS: sounds like soccer moms and scholarships |
| 12:02.34 | WWS | :-) |
| 12:02.57 | WWS | yeah... everything a competition... unless your in the top 95% your nothing |
| 12:02.59 | x` | kai: factory shifts at porche might be fun too :) |
| 12:02.59 | ojwb | not being scared to apply isn't necessarily a bad thing |
| 12:03.04 | Dark_Shikari | "top 95%"? ;) |
| 12:03.15 | x` | bottom 95% |
| 12:03.16 | ojwb | but do spend the time to write an application which won't just go straight in the reject pile |
| 12:03.16 | x` | :P |
| 12:03.25 | WWS | the cutoff for the nation level test here - GATE, CAT, AIEEE |
| 12:03.36 | kai | x`: it's boring, I guess. I dunno |
| 12:03.39 | WWS | all are around 90-95% |
| 12:03.56 | Dark_Shikari | WWS: which country? |
| 12:04.01 | ojwb | sending 10 junk applications gives you no realistic chances; sending one or two good ones does |
| 12:04.02 | WWS | india |
| 12:04.10 | x` | WWS: top 95% is like everything but the bottom 5%, that's what we're saying, you just made a silly typo, is all. |
| 12:04.13 | kai | x`: _I_ spent my summers doing GSoC |
| 12:04.49 | x` | i don't think you regret it :) |
| 12:04.56 | WWS | in india, the scenario is completely diferent |
| 12:05.00 | ojwb | looks better on a CV/resume to hi-tech employers than factory shifts at a car plan |
| 12:05.04 | ojwb | =t |
| 12:05.09 | ojwb | +t even |
| 12:05.13 | WWS | every student focuses on just one thing - getting a job |
| 12:05.16 | x` | there is immaterial value in gsoc, and that ain't little at all |
| 12:05.18 | kai | x`: no, but I could afford to do this for the fun of it |
| 12:05.30 | AshishG | OMG! you guys are just thrashing India |
| 12:05.48 | Dark_Shikari | AshishG: we can move onto other countries next if you want |
| 12:05.56 | AshishG | political correctness is a PITA |
| 12:06.01 | AshishG | i want you to continue |
| 12:06.02 | ihalip | what about Romania? :) |
| 12:06.05 | WWS | where are you from ashish? |
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| 12:06.12 | AshishG | I am from India |
| 12:06.15 | WWS | where in? |
| 12:06.17 | ojwb | ihalip: I had a star student from Romania last year, fwiw |
| 12:06.24 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: its a nice analysis , we love to hear our critisicm, we are democratic ;) |
| 12:06.25 | Dark_Shikari | we had a star student from south africa of all places last year |
| 12:06.30 | ojwb | don't think I've seen any other applications from there before though |
| 12:06.32 | AshishG | I stay in Ahmedabad but am in BITS |
| 12:06.35 | AshishG | studying in BITS |
| 12:06.36 | ihalip | ojwb: do you remember which city? |
| 12:06.50 | Dark_Shikari | after he worked on GSOC, he applied for a job in the UK |
| 12:06.52 | ihalip | actually, most gsocers from here are from Iasi, and they head on to XWiki because their office is in the same city |
| 12:06.52 | Dark_Shikari | using GSOC as a reference |
| 12:06.59 | Dark_Shikari | and "got the hell out" as he said |
| 12:08.04 | WWS | ok.. so tell me how many students would be interested in gsoc.. if it had no pay slip attached |
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| 12:08.04 | ojwb | ihalip: sorry, no |
| 12:08.10 | ajuonline | WWS: where are you from? |
| 12:08.20 | WWS | india.. vellore to be more precise |
| 12:08.28 | WWS | but i grew up in the gulf |
| 12:08.30 | AshishG | WWS: which college? |
| 12:08.30 | [mharrison] | WWS, you'd get some really great coders...all 3 of them |
| 12:08.32 | kai | WWS: significantly less, of course |
| 12:08.33 | WWS | VIT |
| 12:08.46 | AshishG | right |
| 12:08.47 | WWS | www.vit.ac.in |
| 12:08.50 | ajuonline | WWS: applying this year for gsoc? |
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| 12:08.54 | ojwb | WWS: well, you can get a feeling for that - most of the participating orgs are happy to mentor students outside of GSoC |
| 12:08.54 | WWS | yrp |
| 12:09.00 | Dark_Shikari | btw, for reference, for the indians here, the best way to overcome the stereotype and be more successful in applying for gsoc |
| 12:09.02 | ojwb | very very few students take them up on that |
| 12:09.02 | ajuonline | WWS: why ? |
| 12:09.07 | Dark_Shikari | is to prove that you know what you're doing |
| 12:09.13 | Dark_Shikari | by actually doing work |
| 12:09.22 | WWS | why i;m applying for gsoc? |
| 12:09.24 | Dark_Shikari | mentors have been largely trained to ignore claims in indian applications of "I am skilled at X" |
| 12:09.26 | skbohra | Dark_Shikari: this applies to others as well |
| 12:09.31 | ajuonline | WWS: yeah? and is it the first time? |
| 12:09.32 | Dark_Shikari | because they are so often just bullshit |
| 12:09.37 | Dark_Shikari | So what you have to do is go actually contribute |
| 12:09.41 | Dark_Shikari | write patches, prove that you can do what you say you can do |
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| 12:09.48 | Dark_Shikari | it's important for everyone, but doubly so for indians |
| 12:09.57 | Dark_Shikari | due to having to distinguish yourself from all the other indian applicants, and due to the stereotypes |
| 12:10.07 | AshishG | Dark_Shikari: are they finally really recognizing that we here in India do a lot of claims? :D |
| 12:10.11 | Dark_Shikari | AshishG: lol |
| 12:10.19 | Dark_Shikari | AshishG: the best ones are the rentacoders |
| 12:10.25 | Dark_Shikari | "I am PHP and HTML and CSS expert!" |
| 12:10.33 | AshishG | :D |
| 12:10.42 | AshishG | ins't everyone ;) |
| 12:10.50 | [mharrison] | I know Java 2, Java 3, Java 4, Java EE, and XML |
| 12:11.09 | ajuonline | I hired an American and a Canadian "expert" and paid them $75 an hour. they came out to be rip-offs :P |
| 12:11.11 | Dark_Shikari | [mharrison]: <voice type="sesame street">5! 5 languages!</voice> |
| 12:11.16 | ajuonline | i had to send in a complaint |
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| 12:11.31 | Dark_Shikari | ajuonline: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Brillant_Paula_Bean.aspx |
| 12:11.36 | WWS | @ajuonline, yeah this is my first time.. and as to why - well i dont know |
| 12:11.41 | Dark_Shikari | That will forever be the king of all such stories |
| 12:11.44 | Dark_Shikari | Nobody will ever beat it. |
| 12:11.46 | WWS | hey maybe my motives are a little financial |
| 12:12.01 | liquidmetal | AshishG: _/\_ |
| 12:12.05 | WWS | but i do think i can contribute |
| 12:12.11 | ajuonline | WWS: financial? how so? no prior FOSS exposure? |
| 12:12.29 | AshishG | liquid :D |
| 12:12.41 | WWS | i'v designed drupal sites and modules for companies |
| 12:12.56 | ajuonline | WWS: any kid in India does that today :P |
| 12:12.59 | WWS | i'v given a workshop on drupal in shastra university during their techfest |
| 12:13.05 | WWS | :-) |
| 12:13.27 | WWS | yeah... see the problem being from india |
| 12:13.43 | ajuonline | WWS: seriously? why not just leave the country? ;) |
| 12:13.49 | WWS | LOL.. |
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| 12:13.59 | AshishG | ajuonline: :D |
| 12:14.07 | skbohra | WWS: should I call MNS ? |
| 12:14.09 | Dark_Shikari | you can get an H-1B and leave your shitty country for our shitty country |
| 12:14.34 | ajuonline | WWS: you talk about "Indians" as if you yourself are NOT one? |
| 12:14.37 | WWS | my mom is in the us... i got accepted into purdue and rejected it |
| 12:14.56 | Dark_Shikari | ajuonline: the instant any family member emigrates to any other country, you're not an indian anymore, obviously ;) |
| 12:15.03 | WWS | and i am an india... just grew up in the gulf... |
| 12:15.18 | ajuonline | Dark_Shikari: ;) ssshh. |
| 12:15.23 | WWS | so i find it difficult to identify myself now that i'm back in india |
| 12:15.29 | Dark_Shikari | ah. |
| 12:15.31 | Dark_Shikari | that makes sense |
| 12:15.43 | Dark_Shikari | I have a chinese friend who emigrated to the US when he was about 3 |
| 12:15.45 | kai | Dark_Shikari: well, of course there's an easy catch-all filter |
| 12:15.46 | Dark_Shikari | with his family |
| 12:15.49 | Dark_Shikari | he later went back to china |
| 12:15.55 | Dark_Shikari | for a summer, that is |
| 12:16.00 | Dark_Shikari | He didn't feel particularly chinese =p |
| 12:16.06 | ajuonline | happens :) |
| 12:16.15 | kai | Dark_Shikari: you simply require all the python experts to pass some programming tests |
| 12:16.31 | kai | Dark_Shikari: or s/python/whatever/ |
| 12:16.36 | ajuonline | kai: and then they fail miserably? ;) |
| 12:16.38 | Dark_Shikari | kai: ask them why def func1(x): x[3] = 5; modifies x |
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| 12:16.47 | Dark_Shikari | but def func2(x): x = x + x does not |
| 12:16.50 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
| 12:16.58 | kai | :) |
| 12:17.09 | WIngz90we5 | did i miss anythin? univ connection dc's.. |
| 12:17.18 | ajuonline | WWS: did you tell your parents they did a mistake sending you back to India? |
| 12:17.39 | kai | Dark_Shikari: you like that example, right? didn't you recenty use it to express your dislike for python? |
| 12:17.41 | skbohra | WWS: we are already a lot of here |
| 12:17.48 | kai | WIngz90we5: check the !logs |
| 12:17.49 | WIngz90we5 | well, not in so many words |
| 12:17.52 | [mharrison] | Dark_Shikari, lawl |
| 12:18.13 | Dark_Shikari | kai: oh, it's just the only really tricky python example I have in mind |
| 12:18.23 | Dark_Shikari | at least among things that are simple-yet-tricky |
| 12:18.24 | kai | Dark_Shikari: fair enough |
| 12:18.40 | WIngz90we5 | *i;m WWS btw |
| 12:18.40 | AshishG | what is it? |
| 12:18.40 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. good ways to trip up people who don't actually know what they're talking about |
| 12:18.53 | AshishG | pass by reference? ;) |
| 12:18.58 | ajuonline | WIngz90we5: i said, did you tell your parents they did a mistake sending you back to India? |
| 12:19.00 | Dark_Shikari | There are good ones for C as well |
| 12:19.20 | Dark_Shikari | we had a guy the other day that didn't know you could make an array of functions |
| 12:19.23 | Dark_Shikari | (gsoc applicant) |
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| 12:19.31 | [mharrison] | AshishG, python passes lists and other objects by reference (well, almost pass by reference), but strings, ints, etc are pass-by-value |
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| 12:19.34 | WIngz90we5 | @oajuonline, well i dont think they did.. |
| 12:19.58 | ajuonline | WIngz90we5: but I only hear you complaining about the people and the country ;) |
| 12:20.02 | AshishG | [mharrison]: i konw, hence the wink in the end :-/ |
| 12:20.16 | skbohra | ajuonline: you were talking with WWS |
| 12:20.29 | skbohra | i think |
| 12:20.33 | [mharrison] | AshishG, well, it's specifically a python problem, not a general coding problem |
| 12:20.40 | WIngz90we5 | yeah... i do find it hard to adjust |
| 12:20.42 | AshishG | omg! yes |
| 12:20.54 | WIngz90we5 | hostel in india is not whats its cracked to be, ajuonline.. |
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| 12:21.35 | AshishG | [mharrison]: i use slicing if i want to NOT pass by refenece |
| 12:21.46 | AshishG | [mharrison]: yes, a python solution |
| 12:22.08 | WIngz90we5 | and its difficult to do side projects like FOSS when class itself is hell on earth |
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| 12:22.22 | AshishG | class is hell |
| 12:22.23 | AshishG | true |
| 12:22.25 | AshishG | true |
| 12:22.30 | AshishG | here |
| 12:22.43 | WIngz90we5 | where u from ajuonline |
| 12:22.46 | AshishG | u can tell cause u see MIT OCW and Stanfor Everywhere |
| 12:22.56 | AshishG | stanford* |
| 12:23.47 | [mharrison] | WIngz90we5, please tell me your nick means something so important and elegantly beautiful that I just don't get it... |
| 12:24.01 | WIngz90we5 | :-) |
| 12:24.12 | AshishG | :D |
| 12:24.27 | [mharrison] | Like, say, your nickserv password |
| 12:24.42 | WIngz90we5 | its suppose to be my alternate nick for mirc - never thouht i'd use it |
| 12:24.54 | [mharrison] | Man, that's a little TOO alternative |
| 12:25.05 | AshishG | :D:D |
| 12:25.06 | WIngz90we5 | lol |
| 12:25.09 | AshishG | mIRC :~~ |
| 12:25.14 | ajuonline | WIngz90we5: how does your hostel relate to you complaining about Indian's competing in all competitions? ;) |
| 12:25.39 | AshishG | oh c'mon let's talk about Gerogre Bush rather |
| 12:25.46 | AshishG | George* |
| 12:25.58 | [mharrison] | AshishG, he no longer works here |
| 12:26.02 | AshishG | looks at his fingers tyring to figure out the reason for so many typos |
| 12:26.10 | AshishG | :D |
| 12:26.14 | WIngz90we5 | nothing actually... just that in hostel if one person does something everyone does it.. 4 people have told me that they'll be submitting gsoc proposals after they found out i'm goin to |
| 12:26.22 | AshishG | i loved that guy... in the straightest possible way |
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| 12:26.45 | kai | ahrg |
| 12:26.47 | skbohra | WIngz90we5: hehe true , but whats wrong |
| 12:26.49 | ajuonline | WIngz90we5: and your telling me, you dont find such peopl eback in the gulf or wherever you came from? |
| 12:26.52 | AshishG | "don't miss underestimate me" |
| 12:27.10 | Wingz | changed nick.. happy [mharrison] |
| 12:27.14 | [mharrison] | Yes, thanks |
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| 12:27.19 | kai | AshishG: may we mr. underestimate you? |
| 12:27.45 | ajuonline | kai: is there any better than ThinkPads yet? |
| 12:28.09 | kai | ajuonline: depends on your definition of better |
| 12:28.17 | Wingz | i have some of my friends twittering for gsoc ideas.. |
| 12:28.43 | kai | I seem to be too old to get what this twitter stuff is about |
| 12:28.44 | AshishG | @kai: -.- |
| 12:28.56 | ajuonline | kai: is yapp yapp yapp :P |
| 12:29.02 | ajuonline | its* |
| 12:29.15 | AshishG | twitter is about i speak without caring if anyone cares |
| 12:29.30 | kai | AshishG: but IRC works perfectly fine for that |
| 12:29.41 | kai | just join #flood and off you go |
| 12:29.43 | AshishG | it's a n00bs world out there |
| 12:29.45 | Wingz | ajuonline, where are you from? |
| 12:29.55 | [mharrison] | kai, kids these days twitter their googles in mytubespace so they can txt their bff jill some blu-ray on faceplace...as I understand it |
| 12:30.09 | ajuonline | Wingz: i thought you were smarter than all your indian classmantes , to find out by now, where I was from :P |
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| 12:30.27 | Wingz | i'll guess ur an indian too? |
| 12:30.28 | AshishG | [mharrison]: :D:D |
| 12:30.54 | Wingz | and for the recored i'm not smarter... one of my classmates is a GATE #9 ranker |
| 12:30.55 | AshishG | i am guessing he's form your own school |
| 12:31.09 | [mharrison] | Gate? |
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| 12:31.13 | ajuonline | there is a channel ##gsoc-india |
| 12:31.18 | AshishG | it's a mug vomit exam here |
| 12:31.32 | Wingz | [mharrison] sort of like GRE |
| 12:31.39 | jasebo_at_home | ajuonline, that'd be a much more exciting channel than gsoc-australia :-) |
| 12:31.42 | skbohra | Wingz: no |
| 12:31.42 | Wingz | only for indian college |
| 12:31.45 | jasebo_at_home | we're very quiet over there! |
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| 12:31.54 | [mharrison] | Ah |
| 12:32.19 | skbohra | Wingz: its a subjective GRE, with 2,00,000 people per stream |
| 12:32.22 | ajuonline | jasebo_at_home: oh hai!! never been to that channel so cant say ;) but we do have a good bunch of us there :P |
| 12:32.33 | Wingz | australian! |
| 12:32.47 | ajuonline | jasebo_at_home: how have you been? ready for the 2nd summer? |
| 12:33.10 | [mharrison] | Can I join and blend in with my obviously Indian and non-anglo name? |
| 12:33.21 | ajuonline | [mharrison]: you are free :P |
| 12:33.34 | [mharrison] | The trick is, you gotta read it Mharri Son |
| 12:33.39 | ajuonline | bwahahaha |
| 12:33.40 | Wingz | haha |
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| 12:33.55 | ajuonline | [mharrison]: more like M. Harri Son |
| 12:34.04 | [mharrison] | That works too |
| 12:34.15 | [mharrison] | In either case, I think my father would have to be Korean though |
| 12:34.28 | jasebo_at_home | I'm great ajuonline :-) All ready for GSoC V2 |
| 12:34.29 | ajuonline | or just the way you pronounce it, you can say "I am Hari's son" its a short of that |
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| 12:35.16 | ajuonline | jasebo_at_home: i havent mailed you back, coz for now, we got stuck with Excel ;) we had a deadline :P |
| 12:35.21 | [mharrison] | M. Harri So. N The last bits are my academic letters... |
| 12:35.31 | jasebo_at_home | it's ok :-) Excel is very nice |
| 12:35.41 | jasebo_at_home | do you like my quiet sarcasm? :-D |
| 12:35.49 | ajuonline | bwahahaha :P |
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| 12:36.04 | ajuonline | just had to do data collection for now, |
| 12:36.26 | jasebo_at_home | it's ok |
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| 12:36.33 | jasebo_at_home | I forgive you... just this once |
| 12:37.00 | x` | It's not just you! http://reddit.com looks down from here. - oh no! |
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| 12:37.46 | ajuonline | the forms they had, wouldnt easily fit into any of the question types, and maybe I'd have to do custom stuff. so dropped the idea and got on with excel |
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| 12:38.13 | touchaddict | !logs |
| 12:38.13 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 12:38.42 | [mharrison] | touchaddict, #sexoffenders is that way --> |
| 12:38.55 | ajuonline | lol |
| 12:39.23 | ajuonline | [mharrison]: altho i have met touchaddict in person, I never imagine it in that way ;) |
| 12:39.30 | [mharrison] | lol |
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| 12:39.55 | touchaddict | [mharrison] :-/ |
| 12:40.03 | [mharrison] | I can only see it two ways...he's addicted to touching people, or addicted to being touched |
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| 12:40.08 | ajuonline | =)) |
| 12:40.11 | touchaddict | lmao |
| 12:40.35 | skbohra | touches touchaddict |
| 12:40.45 | [mharrison] | Don't enable him! |
| 12:40.48 | touchaddict | tickles skbohra in the toeZ :P |
| 12:41.02 | ajuonline | shuts touchaddict and skbohra in a room and locks |
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| 12:41.09 | touchaddict | is activated |
| 12:41.38 | touchaddict | ajuonline :P |
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| 12:44.37 | ajuonline | Wingz: Wrong, India. |
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| 12:45.09 | Wingz | where in? |
| 12:45.18 | ajuonline | everywhere :P |
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| 12:45.51 | Wingz | i did initially guess you to be an indian.. check logs |
| 12:46.02 | Wingz | :-) |
| 12:46.16 | ajuonline | but I made you believe i was australian :P |
| 12:46.17 | AshishG | i rem you did |
| 12:46.20 | Wingz | yes |
| 12:46.29 | Wingz | that you did' |
| 12:46.35 | ajuonline | i could have kept going on, unless you'd google :P |
| 12:47.08 | Wingz | i woudnt have |
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| 12:47.19 | Wingz | dont usually google people |
| 12:47.21 | Wingz | :) |
| 12:48.18 | ajuonline | !stats |
| 12:48.18 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
| 12:48.43 | schumaml | ajuonline doesn't end every comment with ", mate", that gives it away |
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| 12:48.51 | Wingz | kinda |
| 12:49.06 | [mharrison] | lol Landon lfowles |
| 12:49.10 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 12:49.37 | ajuonline | the stats seem outdated? |
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| 12:50.40 | ajuonline | and the experimental thing doesnt work, Landon Landon Landon |
| 12:50.56 | skbohra | is there in stats ! yay! |
| 12:51.46 | Wingz | stats |
| 12:51.48 | Wingz | !stats |
| 12:51.48 | socinfo | "stats" is (#1) http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm, or (#2) EXPERIMENTAL http://lfowles.org/pysg/stats/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:54.26 | ajuonline | Wingz: so you are Wingston Sharon ? :P |
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| 12:55.21 | ajuonline | Wingz: thats too bad, now ur stalking me on twitter :P |
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| 12:56.22 | headache | I wonder why women working in IT works especially in HCI field? |
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| 12:57.27 | pkuhad | ajuonline: he is pursuing gsoc veterans :) |
| 12:58.22 | pkuhad | Wingz: hey |
| 12:58.46 | Wingz | @aju yes |
| 12:59.01 | Wingz | and pkuhad yes too |
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| 13:01.42 | kai | headache: HCI? |
| 13:01.57 | kai | human computer interface? |
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| 13:02.11 | AshishG | or Human Computer Interactoin |
| 13:02.16 | garbeam_ | headache: source? |
| 13:02.29 | ojwb | or Human Computer Interaction |
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| 13:02.44 | headache | human computer interaction |
| 13:02.50 | AshishG | ojwb: copycat without typos :P |
| 13:03.19 | headache | http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/24/celebrating-ada-lovelace-day/ |
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| 13:03.55 | headache | or not software development/engineering things why? |
| 13:07.59 | garbeam_ | ask mediciners, dunno |
| 13:09.57 | skbohra | now I can resist thinking what they think looking at my gsoc app , heh , he's an indian |
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| 13:12.10 | jasebo_at_home | ajuonline: You're NOT AUSTRALIAN!!! <gasp> |
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| 13:12.26 | jasebo_at_home | you can be an honorary Aussie mate :-) |
| 13:12.35 | ajuonline | :) |
| 13:12.45 | jasebo_at_home | fair dinkum |
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| 13:15.10 | _Samo | can someone suggest a rating system for students |
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| 13:16.07 | skbohra | _Samo: scroll up |
| 13:16.24 | skbohra | there's been a detailed discussion |
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| 13:18.50 | ajuonline | _Samo: you were looking for mentors in what area? and URL of ur project pls. |
| 13:19.46 | _Samo | ajoonline, computer graphics and more specifically raytracing |
| 13:20.05 | _Samo | but computer graphics will mostly do |
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| 13:20.23 | _Samo | the url is www.yafaray.org |
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| 13:21.44 | ajuonline | _Samo: thanks, |
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| 13:22.19 | _Samo | to handle the basic ideas so we can move the 'inside' mentors to the 'difficult' ones |
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| 13:28.42 | jasebo_at_home | !timeline |
| 13:28.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 13:28.43 | GHF | Time: |
| 13:29.04 | kai | man... |
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| 13:29.47 | kai | GHF: I've asked you before to switch that off. msg me when you have and I'll unmute you |
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| 13:35.22 | x` | _Samo: that chair rendering is pretty impressive |
| 13:36.08 | x` | actually there is quite a few that are pretty impressive :) |
| 13:36.16 | _Samo | yep that's what a modern raytracer can do |
| 13:36.35 | x` | i always wondered how ray tracing works exactly |
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| 13:36.53 | x` | so you fire photons and bounce them off of materials, or what |
| 13:36.58 | _Samo | x' I have a document if you want |
| 13:37.15 | x` | sure, i'm really curious |
| 13:37.39 | _Samo | x', http://tinyurl.com/yazgf8p |
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| 13:38.20 | x` | awesome, thanks |
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| 13:43.11 | headache | _Samo, it seems real congrats :D |
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| 13:52.23 | Mad_Gouki | I am a student and interested in getting involved with open source projects, but I won't be able to do summer of code because of my school schedule, and I'd like to get a start doing something with less pressure than gsoc. Can anyone suggest places to start? |
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| 13:54.56 | kai | Mad_Gouki: most orgs that offer mentorship for summer of code also offer similar help for new contributors :)\ |
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| 13:55.42 | Mad_Gouki | alright, I'll look at the list. Thanks |
| 13:55.47 | BarryCarlyon | Mad_Gouki: depends what you want to do. |
| 13:56.22 | BarryCarlyon | The easiest way to get involved with an open source project is to find one you want to work on, download its code, get on its mailing list, and away you go. |
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| 14:17.54 | devendra | I am a final year computer science engineering student. can I participate in gsoc ? |
| 14:18.24 | BarryCarlyon | devendra: of course. |
| 14:18.36 | BarryCarlyon | Tho check here: |
| 14:18.37 | BarryCarlyon | !faq |
| 14:18.38 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 14:18.41 | devendra | BarryCarlyon, ok |
| 14:18.55 | BarryCarlyon | Just to check you are eligiable. |
| 14:18.56 | devendra | reading faq |
| 14:19.04 | BarryCarlyon | I'm final year, and meet the terms, by a few months. |
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| 14:48.31 | podfree | I would like to complete the AC-3 decoder as qualification task for GSOC ffmpeg project. I would like to get the previous work and also further details regarding AC3 decoder... I searched the net but couldn't find anything worthy... |
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| 14:49.42 | podfree | i searched the net and found the definition and processing of audio signal into audio code 3 and found the encoding mechanism |
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| 14:50.03 | podfree | but couldn't find further details... |
| 14:50.20 | skbohra | podfree: its the channel for general gsoc questions |
| 14:50.20 | BarryCarlyon | podfree: perhaps you should direct this to the people in the ffmpeg channel, or their mailing list. |
| 14:51.08 | podfree | BarryCarlyon: thanks |
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| 14:56.54 | sktrdie | Where do I find projects I can work on? |
| 14:57.09 | infinity0 | !list |
| 14:57.09 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 14:57.17 | infinity0 | sigh |
| 14:57.25 | infinity0 | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 sktrdie |
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| 14:58.11 | mmadia | !help |
| 14:58.11 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 14:58.50 | mmadia | !botabuse |
| 14:58.51 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 14:59.22 | podfree | can i do this Playlist/Concatenation Support for FFmpeg ? |
| 14:59.23 | mmadia | how do we teach socinfo to learn list as http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 ? |
| 14:59.42 | podfree | i would like to know about the further details... |
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| 15:00.05 | skbohra | podfree: as said, this isnt right place for org sepcific questions :/ |
| 15:00.30 | skbohra | go to ffmpeg irc channel if exists |
| 15:00.38 | skbohra | or use their mailing lists |
| 15:00.44 | podfree | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.05 | skbohra | no worries |
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| 15:02.42 | mmadia | !orglist |
| 15:02.43 | socinfo | "orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 15:04.08 | ajuonline | hrm |
| 15:04.09 | ajuonline | 07:28 < Wingz> i have some of my friends twittering for gsoc ideas.. |
| 15:04.16 | ajuonline | and he himself is doing that on twitter :P |
| 15:04.19 | mmadia | ahh, it's "!orgs" |
| 15:05.03 | kai | !forget orgslist |
| 15:05.03 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 15:05.18 | kai | !forget orglist |
| 15:05.18 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:05.27 | kai | !learn orglist as http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 15:05.27 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:05.33 | kai | mmadia: like that? |
| 15:05.45 | jbourne | what was that? |
| 15:05.52 | mmadia | yes, but it already knew !orglist |
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| 15:06.03 | kai | !orglist |
| 15:06.03 | socinfo | "orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 15:07.48 | mmadia | sorry, i need some more caffeine... i meant socinfo already knew !orgs |
| 15:08.00 | mmadia | but same net effect :) |
| 15:08.06 | infinity0 | !list |
| 15:08.06 | socinfo | "list" is http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 15:08.08 | infinity0 | yay it worked |
| 15:08.35 | infinity0 | for future reference it's |
| 15:08.38 | infinity0 | !learn #gsoc |
| 15:08.38 | socinfo | (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 15:09.07 | infinity0 | oh wait, i didn't read further down |
| 15:09.12 | infinity0 | facepalms |
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| 15:16.09 | Traveler | hi, isn't there a SoC info session being held at UofT today? |
| 15:16.14 | Traveler | university of Toronto* |
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| 15:18.54 | utku | it might be unrelated question but to participate in gsoc do you have to be an university student? i mean, does google supports high school students? |
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| 15:19.17 | Ori_B_ | Traveler: not sure about that, but I know of a few ex-SoC people from UofT that I can point you to. (I'm an ex-SoC guy from McMaster) |
| 15:19.39 | mmadia | !eligible |
| 15:19.40 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 15:21.45 | mmadia | !forget eligible |
| 15:21.45 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:21.50 | mmadia | !learn eligible as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 15:21.51 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:23.51 | ajuonline | utku: no. you need to be a university student |
| 15:24.04 | ajuonline | and >=18 years of age. |
| 15:24.04 | utku | ajuonline: ok, thanks |
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| 15:26.49 | utku | is there any other event which high-school students can participate to? and supported by google of course :) |
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| 15:27.21 | ajuonline | utku: previous years, they ran GHOP (please google) this year its not confirmed when/if it will happen. |
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| 15:27.58 | utku | ajuonline: ok, thanks a lot |
| 15:28.32 | mmadia | !forget countdown |
| 15:28.32 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:28.43 | mmadia | !learn countdown as http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 15:28.44 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:33.02 | mmadia | ... when updating socinfo, should i do `!<key>` before !forget, !learn .... this way the previous info is readily available in the logs? |
| 15:33.47 | drt24 | that sounds linke a good idea :-) |
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| 15:34.53 | mmadia | !edit |
| 15:34.54 | socinfo | "edit" is You can't edit your application now the deadline has passed. Leave comments on it instead. |
| 15:34.57 | mmadia | !forget edit |
| 15:34.58 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:35.01 | mmadia | !learn edit as You can submit your application in early and edit it up until the deadline. Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
| 15:35.01 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:37.09 | kai | mmadia: thanks for doing these updates :) |
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| 15:37.18 | thebolt | hi kai , mmadia et al |
| 15:38.22 | ajuonline | hi thebolt |
| 15:38.26 | thebolt | hi ajuonline |
| 15:38.27 | kai | hi thebolt |
| 15:38.35 | mmadia | sure thing kai. by the way, factoids #gsoc j* is behaving differently then other regex's without keys, eg k* |
| 15:38.48 | ajuonline | thebolt: how haz u been? |
| 15:38.55 | thebolt | ajuonline: terribly busy.. still is ;) |
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| 15:42.20 | mmadia | !noorg |
| 15:42.21 | socinfo | "noorg" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#no_org |
| 15:42.26 | mmadia | !forget noorg |
| 15:42.26 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:42.29 | mmadia | !learn noorg as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#no_org |
| 15:42.29 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:42.42 | ajuonline | !lh |
| 15:42.42 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 15:43.15 | ajuonline | the other info was kooler |
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| 15:47.15 | kai | downeym-away: have you ever thought about using /away instead of an away nick? |
| 15:47.35 | downeym-away | kai: I use both |
| 15:48.20 | downeym-away | kai: too many irc newbies do not know about /away and continue to expect me to answer questions :) |
| 15:48.46 | ajuonline | agree! there |
| 15:48.55 | BarryCarlyon | ajuonline: <3 |
| 15:49.00 | ajuonline | BarryCarlyon: <3 <# |
| 15:49.07 | BarryCarlyon | hash cone? |
| 15:49.15 | kai | downeym-away: hm, fair enough :) |
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| 15:49.27 | ajuonline | err typo |
| 15:49.39 | ajuonline | downeym-away: but we still got you to answer ;) |
| 15:49.44 | BarryCarlyon | Rofl. |
| 15:50.01 | downeym-away | shhhh |
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| 15:50.42 | ajuonline | I am trying to figure out, how can summer/ so much heat, get me to catch a cold. |
| 15:50.51 | ajuonline | havent been able to work at all, today |
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| 15:51.41 | ajuonline | kai: whats ur research area? |
| 15:51.41 | BarryCarlyon | ajuonline: sods law. |
| 15:52.21 | kai | ajuonline: secondary metabolite prediction from genome data |
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| 15:53.16 | mmadia | !userguide |
| 15:53.17 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 15:53.20 | mmadia | !forget userguide |
| 15:53.21 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:53.25 | mmadia | !learn userguide as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 15:53.26 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:54.22 | ajuonline | kai: that sounds nasty :P |
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| 15:54.27 | ajuonline | kai: which Univ? |
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| 15:55.16 | robbyoconnor | jumps up and down |
| 15:55.19 | mmadia | !webapp |
| 15:55.19 | socinfo | "webapp" is http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators |
| 15:55.30 | mmadia | not sure what to replace that url with |
| 15:55.37 | robbyoconnor | my mentor finally clarified whta he meant in an email |
| 15:55.44 | robbyoconnor | my project is complete |
| 15:55.47 | robbyoconnor | just has bugs :| |
| 15:56.10 | kai | http://www.mikrobio.uni-tuebingen.de/ag_wohlleben/research_groups/ag_weber/index.html |
| 15:56.33 | kai | ajuonline: ^^^ |
| 15:57.22 | LawnGnome | Eh, I've been working in bioinformatics and genomics too long. I actually understand that page, even without any actual qualifications in the field. :P |
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| 16:01.38 | ojwb | !learn webapp as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide |
| 16:01.38 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 16:01.41 | ojwb | !forget webapp 1 |
| 16:01.41 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:02.00 | ojwb | mmadia: probably the nearest equivalent |
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| 16:03.07 | LetterRip_ | Hi the individual who previously ran GSoC for us recommended I sign up to the mentors list, since I'm doing the all organization this year for Blender. However my 'application was denied' |
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| 16:03.43 | LetterRip_ | I only included my email in the 'application' since I thought it was like signing up for regular google group |
| 16:03.53 | LetterRip_ | should i 'reapply' with an explanation? |
| 16:04.55 | robbyoconnor | LetterRip_: email lh. |
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| 16:04.58 | robbyoconnor | PRIVATELY |
| 16:05.16 | robbyoconnor | or ellen |
| 16:05.21 | LetterRip_ | ok |
| 16:05.48 | LetterRip_ | didn't see a procedure posted anywhere |
| 16:05.49 | LetterRip_ | thanks |
| 16:06.37 | Raim | mentors will automatically be signed up to the mentors list AFAIK |
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| 16:08.38 | robbyoconnor | students same thing |
| 16:08.38 | robbyoconnor | *DO NOT APPLY* |
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| 16:08.52 | ojwb | what Raim said is what's happened before |
| 16:09.39 | robbyoconnor | it's hard to cross check |
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| 16:11.35 | srajbr | hello everybody |
| 16:11.50 | srajbr | i'm very new to software developement |
| 16:12.08 | srajbr | i jst can program in c, c++, c#, python |
| 16:12.19 | LetterRip_ | Raim and robbyoconnor oh ok thanks |
| 16:12.31 | srajbr | is there any such organisation which i can apply |
| 16:12.36 | LetterRip_ | the previous organizer recommend i subscribe |
| 16:12.56 | Raim | srajbr: there are plenty of orgs using one of those languages... |
| 16:13.25 | srajbr | but raim i m very new to software development |
| 16:13.25 | LetterRip_ | Raim: i won't be a mentor, just the organizer |
| 16:13.30 | LetterRip_ | and coordinator |
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| 16:13.41 | srajbr | but i m sure i can work hard |
| 16:14.12 | ojwb | LetterRip_: if you are in the webapp as a mentor or admin, you should get automatically added |
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| 16:14.22 | LetterRip_ | srajbr - pick an organization that interests you, pick a topic that you find fun, and write an application |
| 16:14.24 | ojwb | though I think it is done in batches |
| 16:14.26 | LetterRip_ | and contact the organization |
| 16:14.31 | LetterRip_ | to express your interest |
| 16:15.15 | LetterRip_ | srajbr - most organizations wish lists aren't really appropriate for a brand new coder |
| 16:15.20 | srajbr | letterrip i found one for ubuntu restore point |
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| 16:16.09 | LetterRip_ | srajbr it really depends on 'how new' to coding you are |
| 16:16.10 | srajbr | but i found the ubuntu documentation complex |
| 16:16.27 | LetterRip_ | also it depends on how compex a project you have tackled before |
| 16:16.40 | LetterRip_ | and what sort of experience outside of coding you have |
| 16:16.52 | LetterRip_ | ie math and physics majors tend to be able to get up to speed quicker |
| 16:17.09 | LetterRip_ | even if they don't have a lot of coding experience |
| 16:17.24 | srajbr | talking about project i just have some simple projects for my schooling |
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| 16:19.14 | LetterRip_ | hmm that will probably hurt your chances a bit - although you might consider applying for a 'non sexy' project |
| 16:20.03 | LetterRip_ | most projects are looking for someone who has expressed a love of coding by lots of 'out of class' coding work |
| 16:20.10 | LetterRip_ | individual projects and such |
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| 16:21.23 | jall | mentors won't usually be prepared to teach you to code, but you could do research or writing for a project i guess? |
| 16:21.24 | srajbr | well i m a alogrithm sound |
| 16:21.38 | srajbr | i like to solve a problem in a way or the other |
| 16:22.07 | ojwb | jall: projects have to be coding-focused |
| 16:22.09 | srajbr | im my programs |
| 16:22.24 | LetterRip_ | srajbr: you might go to a project and look at their 'eas item' wish list |
| 16:22.26 | LetterRip_ | http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding |
| 16:22.33 | LetterRip_ | and do a couple of easy items |
| 16:22.37 | LetterRip_ | if you can do those |
| 16:22.45 | LetterRip_ | then you might consider applying |
| 16:22.54 | LetterRip_ | if you struggle with what they consider easy |
| 16:23.02 | LetterRip_ | then you might need more experience |
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| 16:23.21 | srajbr | ok than let me try those things |
| 16:24.02 | LetterRip_ | also you might want to apply to a lot of projects to improve your odds, but each project will want a well written proposal |
| 16:24.10 | LetterRip_ | so that could be a big time investment |
| 16:24.26 | LetterRip_ | also most projects prefer prior engagement with the community |
| 16:24.28 | jall | ojwb: if a student came to us with a seriously algorithmic proposal we'd consider it. code would be produced but the real value would be the research they did.. |
| 16:24.33 | LetterRip_ | although not a prerequeuisite |
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| 16:24.59 | LetterRip_ | yep it all depends on the strength of the application |
| 16:25.11 | LetterRip_ | the students background and experience |
| 16:25.16 | LetterRip_ | and the particular needs of that community |
| 16:25.26 | LetterRip_ | and the rest of the applicant pool |
| 16:25.47 | srajbr | i got ur point |
| 16:25.49 | jall | the problem is the latter, if you're not an experienced coder you won't stand up well against the hordes of applicants who are |
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| 16:26.17 | jall | i would probably use this time to improve my coding skills and apply for soc next year, but you might be able to find something appropriate. :) |
| 16:26.21 | LetterRip_ | yep which is why i suggest the 'unsexy project' route |
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| 16:26.44 | ojwb | jall: I'm merely stating *Google*'s requirements |
| 16:27.24 | srajbr | so my first job to check easy coding |
| 16:27.29 | LetterRip_ | ojwb - yeah you can't do a writing projet |
| 16:27.30 | LetterRip_ | i t must be code |
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| 16:27.57 | LetterRip_ | i misread what jall had written |
| 16:28.48 | LetterRip_ | srajbr - also doing patches on a project shows ambition and interest |
| 16:29.07 | LetterRip_ | and that you can actually understand their code |
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| 16:29.17 | LetterRip_ | also gives some hint as to your 'code taste' |
| 16:29.24 | jall | i'm actually trying to find the hard and fast 'you cannot do any non-code activity', although the site refers to writing code, if an organisation had a student whose aim was not entirely to produce code, i can't see that being ruled out. what if you want to do UI design etc...hmm. |
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| 16:29.29 | LetterRip_ | ie can you follow the coding style of previous applicants |
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| 16:30.15 | LetterRip_ | er follow the coding style of the application |
| 16:31.52 | ojwb | jall: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#doc_proposals |
| 16:33.03 | ojwb | obviously documentation, testcases, etc associated with the code are expected |
| 16:33.08 | jall | ojwb: that just rules out documentation only |
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| 16:33.25 | ojwb | well, it says "this program is an exercise in developing code" |
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| 16:33.50 | ojwb | i believe it was stated more clearly on the mentors list in the past |
| 16:33.59 | jall | developing code can encompass research, though. :P |
| 16:34.07 | ojwb | but if you don't believe me, check with google |
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| 16:34.17 | NickLee | hi, is there a place where I can see how many slots are allocated per organisation? thanks in advance |
| 16:34.30 | Raim | NickLee: there is no allocation yet |
| 16:34.35 | ajuonline | NickLee: noone knows it until the end. |
| 16:34.35 | jall | i'd check if we had a proposal that fell in the grey area, don't worry. |
| 16:34.42 | ojwb | sure, but if it's really a research proposal with a bit of code to try to make it a gsoc project, you're at best violating the spirit of the thing |
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| 16:35.09 | ajuonline | it should be more code right? ojwb |
| 16:35.23 | jall | i'm just thinking about diversity aloud, really. a ton of people out there want to make original contributions to open source that might not solely be measured by number of lines of code produced. |
| 16:35.26 | ojwb | ajuonline: yes, the code is the focus of the thing |
| 16:35.47 | ojwb | jall: and they're most welcome to, but the ground rules here are that it is coding |
| 16:35.50 | jall | well it isn't called 'summer of code' for nothing, but still. |
| 16:36.02 | ajuonline | one of the program goals, get more code written, |
| 16:36.13 | jall | this is why i never applied when i was a phd student. i wanted to do something meaningful ;) |
| 16:36.33 | ojwb | and you've done that and are now here? |
| 16:36.35 | LetterRip_ | NickLee allocations happen after ratings |
| 16:36.39 | ajuonline | and you imply, gsoc projects arent meaningful? :P |
| 16:36.42 | LetterRip_ | afaik |
| 16:36.48 | ojwb | LetterRip_: they do |
| 16:37.08 | ojwb | !slots |
| 16:37.08 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 16:37.12 | ojwb | there! |
| 16:37.13 | LetterRip_ | NickLee if an organization was accepted previously you can see how many they got last year |
| 16:37.14 | WinterMute | there should be a summer of documentation :p |
| 16:37.25 | mt | jall: I guess coding for some is the most intimidating kind of contribution to open-source projects. |
| 16:37.35 | mt | So that's probably why the focus is on code |
| 16:37.41 | WinterMute | open source has a reputation for horrid manuals |
| 16:37.45 | LetterRip_ | though some times it varies a huge amount |
| 16:38.01 | LetterRip_ | WinterMute: for Blender we have done our own 'SummerOfDocumentation' |
| 16:38.05 | mt | Just imho of course. I'm not sure of the exact reason |
| 16:38.05 | LetterRip_ | in years past |
| 16:38.07 | ajuonline | WinterMute: i have heard, some projects do have Documentation sprints? |
| 16:38.22 | WinterMute | LetterRip_, how did that go? |
| 16:38.32 | LetterRip_ | it went well |
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| 16:39.21 | ojwb | WinterMute: http://www.google.com/search?q="summer+of+documentation" |
| 16:39.24 | LetterRip_ | it was typically about a chapter in length, 10 pages, per project and it was 600 euro |
| 16:39.28 | LetterRip_ | er 500 |
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| 16:42.03 | WinterMute | that's an interesting idea |
| 16:42.06 | LetterRip_ | although only large opensource projects tend to have funding sources to be able to do that |
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| 16:49.39 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 16:50.06 | ajuonline | djinn: are you who you think you are? :P |
| 16:50.11 | ajuonline | who I* |
| 16:50.52 | djinn | ajuonline: what do you mean?:) |
| 16:51.31 | ajuonline | djinn: how are you? :P |
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| 17:13.10 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: can you update the topic? |
| 17:13.24 | ajuonline | feedback meeting in #gsoc on Freenode this Friday, 26 March 2010 at 16:00 |
| 17:13.29 | ajuonline | UTC. |
| 17:13.39 | Catfish_Man | k, gimme a sec, juggling a few things here |
| 17:13.41 | ajuonline | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:20.59 | Abhinav1 | !logs |
| 17:21.00 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 17:28.06 | ajuonline | OT, anyone know how can I identify if the server has mySQL installed? it runs Windows. I just have FTP access for now |
| 17:28.44 | ChosenOne | look for mysql in program files? |
| 17:28.59 | ajuonline | windows shared hosting |
| 17:29.24 | hypa7ia | ajuonline: ask the hosting provider :p |
| 17:29.39 | ajuonline | i ran a phpinfo() that shows MS SQL in path :P |
| 17:29.40 | MaNI | try to telnet port 3036 |
| 17:29.52 | ajuonline | hypa7ia: :P emailed them, and I know they wont respond until 2 days :P |
| 17:30.07 | ChosenOne | if you can run php, why dont you run a mysql_connect and see if it gives you "unable to connect" |
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| 17:30.28 | hypa7ia | ajuonline: do they not has a website? |
| 17:30.38 | ChosenOne | a result like "authentication error" tells you something as well |
| 17:30.54 | ChosenOne | still, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to help you..your plan sounds kinda evil to me ;> |
| 17:30.55 | ajuonline | hypa7ia: they do. erm. crappy customer support, I got the ftp details after bugging them for almost a month :P |
| 17:31.17 | ajuonline | ChosenOne: err no. its for my organisation's site, i just joined them so.. |
| 17:31.18 | hypa7ia | ajuonline: sounds like you should be getting a new website |
| 17:31.34 | hypa7ia | *webhost |
| 17:31.46 | ChosenOne | try a mysql_connect |
| 17:31.46 | ajuonline | hypa7ia: i know. slowly will do that *sigh* |
| 17:31.58 | hypa7ia | ajuonline: good luck :) |
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| 17:32.06 | hypa7ia | life is to short to put up with crappy webhosts |
| 17:32.07 | ajuonline | hypa7ia: thanks, how haz you been? |
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| 17:32.23 | ChosenOne | oh, there is only true/false for the connect :< |
| 17:32.36 | anth_x | i'm confused about something. |
| 17:33.01 | ChosenOne | ah there's mysql_error |
| 17:33.07 | anth_x | at the conclusion of GSoC 2009, each mentor org had a Google Code repo they needed to upload source for each student project to. |
| 17:33.08 | hypa7ia | ajuonline: i've been great! how about you? |
| 17:33.20 | anth_x | we did that. i assume everyone else did that, too. |
| 17:33.31 | ajuonline | hypa7ia: good :D hows the new job? |
| 17:33.36 | anth_x | i just went back to compare what was submitted then against the current state of one of our projects... |
| 17:33.40 | anth_x | ...and our repo's empty. |
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| 17:33.51 | anth_x | i've checked ~3 other org's repos. all empty. |
| 17:33.59 | anth_x | was this by design? |
| 17:34.15 | *** topic/#gsoc by Catfish_Man -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Orgs are announced at http://tinyurl.com/yj42nqw! - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer andpresentations translations, videos too! - Feedback on Organization Applications IRC Meeting in #gsoc Friday March 26th at |
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| 17:34.29 | Catfish_Man | sigh, topic length limits |
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| 17:35.23 | dogmeat | can I still put in a project for a Mentoring Org? |
| 17:35.37 | anth_x | no. that deadline is long past. |
| 17:35.48 | micahcowan | dogmeat, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. |
| 17:36.06 | micahcowan | If you mean, is it too late to add a project to an org's ideas list, then no. |
| 17:36.15 | *** topic/#gsoc by Catfish_Man -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Orgs are announced at http://tinyurl.com/yj42nqw! - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! - Feedback on Org Applications Meeting here Friday March 26th at 16:00 UTC |
| 17:36.26 | Catfish_Man | there. Got it short enough |
| 17:36.46 | hypa7ia | ajuonline: new job is awesome :) |
| 17:36.47 | dogmeat | micahcowan, when is too late? |
| 17:36.49 | ajuonline | ChosenOne: thanks. so no mysql. blah |
| 17:37.04 | ChosenOne | :) |
| 17:37.29 | dogmeat | it looks like 29th? |
| 17:37.33 | anth_x | dogmeat: sorry, i misunderstood. i thought you were asking about submitting an application for a new mentoring org. my bad. |
| 17:37.59 | ajuonline | tries pgsql |
| 17:38.10 | micahcowan | dogmeat, well you can add ideas to the ideas page right up until student application period is over. Don't forget students are allowed to propose ideas themselves, or things that aren't on the ideas list, so... |
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| 17:39.28 | micahcowan | dogmeat, I'd say April 9. |
| 17:39.50 | micahcowan | The ideas list doesn't have to be "final" before students submit proposals based on it, though obviously if you want it to get attention, it should be. |
| 17:40.25 | micahcowan | (you could still add things to an ideas list after April 9, but there'd be little point, since applications are in.) |
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| 17:40.54 | dogmeat | ok, i wanted to put project openfire xmpp/jabber chat server into the list. http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp |
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| 17:43.19 | anth_x | dogmeat: the list for which mentor org? |
| 17:43.36 | anth_x | each mentor org manages their own ideas list. you should contact them directly if you have proposed additions. |
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| 17:47.02 | __asdf__ | Wikipedia is down |
| 17:47.28 | ajuonline | end of the world :/ |
| 17:47.34 | anth_x | 1) inappropriate place for the announcement. |
| 17:47.36 | anth_x | 2) no, it isn't. |
| 17:48.02 | ajuonline | doesnt open for me as well, i am on opendns tho |
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| 18:51.42 | analyst | back in this channel after an year! |
| 18:51.49 | analyst | says hi to all! |
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| 19:01.42 | analyst | remembers and says hi to danderson n Catfish_Man! |
| 19:01.56 | analyst | also SRabbelier I think! |
| 19:02.18 | analyst | any 2008 soccers around? |
| 19:02.23 | analyst | :P |
| 19:02.37 | Dark_Shikari | it's called football |
| 19:03.43 | analyst | let me rephrase: any 08 gsoc'ers around :P |
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| 19:04.08 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
| 19:04.15 | analyst | maybe we can have a local gsoc'ers foosball meet ;) |
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| 19:04.41 | thiagoss | analyst: o/ |
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| 19:19.47 | zmaj | where is the list of mentoring organizations? |
| 19:20.07 | Raim | on the website |
| 19:20.14 | ferringb | zmaj: /topic |
| 19:20.17 | rajat | it went out for a walk |
| 19:20.25 | ferringb | doubts that |
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| 19:20.38 | zmaj | i couldn't find it |
| 19:20.43 | mmadia | !list |
| 19:20.43 | socinfo | "list" is http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 19:20.45 | rajat | however this is where you will |
| 19:20.46 | rajat | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 19:21.06 | zmaj | thanks |
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| 19:34.25 | ChosenOne | hands smtms some vowels |
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| 19:35.48 | smtms | ChosenOne, no, thanks; my nick is better that way |
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| 19:36.08 | ChosenOne | is now known as Chsnn *shrugs* |
| 19:36.21 | smtms | ChosenOne, otherwise it turns into a common English word and ceases to be a palindrome |
| 19:36.47 | ChosenOne | mh :) true |
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| 19:37.16 | Scriptor | which vowels is smtms supposed to have anyway? |
| 19:37.23 | micahcowan | sometimes, my guess |
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| 19:37.40 | micahcowan | but it took me a bit to figure that out |
| 19:37.53 | smtms | micahcowan, you're a smarty :-P |
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| 19:39.31 | ChosenOne | the ident says "sometimes" |
| 19:39.45 | ChosenOne | you dont have to figure out for long, if its displayed on join ;) |
| 19:39.52 | micahcowan | Ah, yes. Well that might have saved me some trouble. :) |
| 19:40.28 | micahcowan | I didn't see his join. And I either didn't right-click him (XChat), or I didn't notice the username. |
| 19:41.03 | micahcowan | s/his/& or her/ ... I guess Jordan is sometimes a girl's name too |
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| 20:01.23 | evanpro | If we have some student submissions that come in that we really like... |
| 20:01.32 | evanpro | ...but they don't become official projects... |
| 20:01.56 | evanpro | ...is it tacky to offer the students equivalent internships out of our own pocket? |
| 20:02.04 | Catfish_Man | not at all |
| 20:02.36 | Catfish_Man | as long as it's clear that it's not GSoC, I believe it's even encouraged |
| 20:02.39 | robbyoconnor | I love this |
| 20:02.51 | robbyoconnor | JUST when i get my project to a stable state -- something else goes wrong |
| 20:03.06 | pygi | ChipX86, around? :) |
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| 20:09.14 | ChipX86 | pygi: hey |
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| 20:09.15 | pygi | ChipX86, would you mind if I bug you a bit? |
| 20:09.15 | summatusmentis | evanpro: other projects have done that |
| 20:09.15 | ChipX86 | sure, but I have to head out in a sec. Willyou be around in about 45 mins? |
| 20:09.20 | pygi | ChipX86, unless I fall asleep, yes :) Just poke me |
| 20:09.33 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 20:10.02 | evanpro | summatusmentis, cool |
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| 20:11.28 | Crix- | do alot of students ask questions about what IRC is when they learn about GSoC? |
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| 20:25.41 | downeym | Crix-: a lot of people are new to IRC when they come to GSoC and open source, I think |
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| 20:27.45 | Scriptor | downeym: how many are new to open source in general? |
| 20:28.09 | downeym | shrugs ... no clue. most of them, if i had to guess |
| 20:29.03 | kblin | evening folks |
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| 20:30.03 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 20:30.24 | Scriptor | hello |
| 20:31.54 | proudfoot | new to open source here |
| 20:31.56 | proudfoot | probably most of us are |
| 20:32.04 | proudfoot | this is like the alternative to summer internships for sophomores |
| 20:32.16 | Scriptor | proudfoot: how'd you hear about gsoc? |
| 20:32.34 | summatusmentis | define "new" ? |
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| 20:32.37 | ChosenOne | no offense, but what kind of geeks are you then? :D |
| 20:32.42 | downeym | gsoc is a great way to get introduced to open source stuff |
| 20:33.09 | Scriptor | it does have the intro phase before they start coding for it |
| 20:33.37 | proudfoot | a friend of mine was a mentor in a program here, and told me to try it out. |
| 20:33.52 | proudfoot | new is, I've used open source apps, sometimes edited them, never submitted any commits |
| 20:34.10 | mt | ChosenOne: Since gsoc's goal is to attract new blood to the open-source community, it's probably natural for a lot of the applicants to be new to open source I guess. :) |
| 20:34.37 | ChosenOne | yeh, just being tongue in cheek ;) |
| 20:35.11 | proudfoot | I'm a compsci major, so, I dunno. |
| 20:35.57 | Scriptor | proudfoot: that doesn't sound that new, at least you're familiar with the community, have you ever released any of your own code? |
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| 20:36.24 | proudfoot | nope |
| 20:36.43 | proudfoot | I kind of know how to use version control - and am familar with gcc toolchain, etc |
| 20:36.54 | proudfoot | but never released any of my code, never commited it, never published my patches |
| 20:36.55 | proudfoot | etc |
| 20:38.00 | kblin | thebolt: evening :) |
| 20:38.07 | Scriptor | I've found git to be useful for getting started with vcs's, you can just stick to a few select command and scale up the complexity from there |
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| 20:40.43 | thebolt | kblin: how's it going? |
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| 20:48.55 | spectre | !timeline |
| 20:48.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 20:52.51 | dreimark | !next |
| 20:52.51 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 21:08.30 | Crix- | thank you for the answer downeym, i figured as much. glad i've used IRC for years. |
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| 21:11.57 | tom2010 | hello |
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| 21:12.58 | downeym | Crix-: still useful, but been replaced in many aspects :) |
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| 21:17.01 | tom2010 | i want to particpate in the next google sumer of coding |
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| 21:17.35 | tom2010 | need both mentor and idea |
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| 21:18.34 | hypa7ia | tom2010: read the links in the topic |
| 21:18.37 | hypa7ia | type /topic |
| 21:18.44 | thiago_home | tom2010: it's up to you to go out and find them |
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| 21:22.53 | kblin | thebolt: reading fun articles about interviewing programmers |
| 21:23.21 | kblin | thebolt: preparing for gsoc, so to speak |
| 21:23.44 | schumaml | kblin: dailywtf? |
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| 21:24.35 | kblin | no, joel on software |
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| 21:29.13 | thebolt | kblin: ok :) |
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| 21:30.02 | Crix- | some things never grow too old to use! |
| 21:30.33 | rajat | tom2010: what else do you need? |
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| 21:34.29 | dreimark | tom2010: where do you be interested in? |
| 21:35.02 | tom2010 | that's i need right now |
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| 21:35.50 | tom2010 | dreimark: dunno, right now, i am looking at the list |
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| 21:37.33 | rajat | good luck tom2010 |
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| 21:43.46 | AshishG | feels it's too quite around here |
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| 21:44.03 | thiago_home | should've seen it last week |
| 21:45.18 | AshishG | how was it then |
| 21:45.48 | thiago_home | busy |
| 21:45.53 | thiago_home | lots of people talking |
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| 21:46.16 | AshishG | it was the same in the evening (it's 3.16 AM here) |
| 21:46.28 | AshishG | everyone was talking how fraulent indian applicants are |
| 21:47.05 | liquidmetal | AshishG: its bound to happen... 1/6 of the world's pop is here |
| 21:47.07 | kblin | hehe |
| 21:47.32 | AshishG | true :) |
| 21:47.52 | AshishG | but they were talking in terms of percentage and not total frauds |
| 21:48.12 | Catfish_Man | if you compare the % applied and % accepted from last year, the gap is definitely bigger for India |
| 21:48.19 | Catfish_Man | but the total # accepted is quite high |
| 21:48.36 | Catfish_Man | er, # applied and # accepted |
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| 21:51.07 | sreich | define "fraudulent" applicants |
| 21:51.28 | AshishG | me? |
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| 21:51.37 | AshishG | not again :P |
| 21:51.41 | pitz | well obviously the stipend has a lot more purchasing power in India than the USA... |
| 21:52.03 | AshishG | of course |
| 21:52.06 | AshishG | a LOT MORE |
| 21:52.08 | AshishG | :D |
| 21:52.10 | sreich | right.. |
| 21:52.22 | sreich | but what exactly would a fraudulent one look like? |
| 21:52.27 | pitz | for the USA, the stipend is probably the same as one would make flipping burgers for a few months. In India, its a couple years worth of salary, lol |
| 21:53.25 | rajat | srsly whats with this running down on indian |
| 21:53.33 | roide_ | pitz: not really. Depends! |
| 21:54.20 | AshishG | how much does flipping burger make u? |
| 21:54.41 | Catfish_Man | rajat: it's unfortunately a fact that at least when I was a mentor, a majority of bad student proposals were Indian. Hopefully that's something that will go away in time :) |
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| 21:55.02 | rajat | i agree. you have a point there |
| 21:55.17 | Catfish_Man | plenty of good ones too, just need less not good ones |
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| 21:56.00 | AshishG | @Catfish_Man: it might not, there are more and more "engineering" colleges added here year by year which are not at all competent with their US/EU counterparts |
| 21:56.11 | Catfish_Man | AshishG: unfortunate :/ |
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| 21:56.27 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: there's also the issue that far more people go to school for CS in india |
| 21:56.31 | Dark_Shikari | because it's profitable |
| 21:56.36 | Dark_Shikari | thus you have more incompetents |
| 21:56.49 | Dark_Shikari | since 2x the students doesn't mean 2x the good students, it just means a huge batch of people who suck |
| 21:56.49 | AshishG | Dark_Shikari: helloz :) |
| 21:57.11 | Catfish_Man | Dark_Shikari: yeah. In general I'm in favor of the "lots of people" approach to finding gems |
| 21:57.23 | Catfish_Man | but man is it annoying to be on the searching end of it ;) |
| 21:57.25 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 21:57.37 | Dark_Shikari | I like automated methods for filtering out gems |
| 21:57.49 | Dark_Shikari | like "qualification tasks so hard that nobody but gems bother" |
| 21:58.01 | Catfish_Man | that does seem to be working pretty decently |
| 21:58.14 | Dark_Shikari | it also filters out people looking for easy projects |
| 21:58.31 | Dark_Shikari | people say "your projects are too hard, you'll get fewer applicants" |
| 21:58.36 | Dark_Shikari | I say "good, I didn't want them anyways" |
| 21:58.47 | AshishG | :D |
| 21:58.54 | nico_le_terrible | what is your project xD |
| 21:59.13 | Catfish_Man | unrelated, but man things get easier when you don't fight the framework. I just figured out how I'm *supposed* to be using this and it's like half as long and faster |
| 21:59.30 | Dark_Shikari | I'm the main mentor for x264, and I'd link you to our SOC wiki page, but j-b is being lame and the videolan server is down |
| 21:59.31 | dho | I'm having trouble with that. |
| 21:59.42 | Dark_Shikari | Catfish_Man: oh yes |
| 21:59.44 | dho | The framework is stupid :( |
| 21:59.50 | Dark_Shikari | that rule applies to everything |
| 22:00.08 | Dark_Shikari | go with the flow, don't try to do things in a way that the framework isn't meant to work |
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| 22:01.04 | Dark_Shikari | http://bit.ly/b84rkH <--here's our wiki page |
| 22:01.05 | Dark_Shikari | thanks google |
| 22:01.20 | ihalip_ | np |
| 22:01.21 | Dark_Shikari | oh wow. it's really outdated. ok, not as much thanks |
| 22:01.32 | Dark_Shikari | lol the google cache is 45 days old |
| 22:01.49 | Dark_Shikari | it's usually newer than that. |
| 22:01.52 | ihalip_ | Mar 6, 2010 |
| 22:02.08 | Dark_Shikari | oh. I guess that's just before the latest round of edits |
| 22:02.19 | Dark_Shikari | still, 3 weeks old... thought the crawler was faster than that. |
| 22:02.46 | AshishG | i generally is |
| 22:03.01 | AshishG | my blogspot updates show within an hour |
| 22:03.12 | AshishG | but then again, blogspot is google propert :P |
| 22:07.47 | AshishG | Dark_Shikari: you guys don't need anyone with python? :( :P |
| 22:08.28 | Dark_Shikari | not unless python is now an assembly language ;) |
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| 22:10.28 | AshishG | :D |
| 22:10.51 | xnox | giggles "python assembly language" =) |
| 22:11.06 | dho | you can use it to assemble python programs. |
| 22:11.09 | dho | bazing. |
| 22:12.23 | AshishG | wonders what is assembling a python prog |
| 22:12.33 | ihalip_ | !next |
| 22:12.34 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 22:13.25 | Dark_Shikari | AshishG: |
| 22:13.26 | Dark_Shikari | Verb |
| 22:13.31 | Dark_Shikari | I(transitive) To put together. |
| 22:13.36 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
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| 22:15.47 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' all |
| 22:16.37 | AshishG | evenin sir |
| 22:16.58 | ihalip_ | yawns |
| 22:17.46 | AshishG | looks at ihalip yawn |
| 22:18.15 | ihalip_ | seeing something you like? |
| 22:18.27 | AshishG | -.- |
| 22:18.35 | AshishG | :P |
| 22:20.23 | AshishG | is starting to like mIRC |
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| 22:21.33 | MatthewWilkes | AshishG: You paid for it yet? :) |
| 22:21.49 | AshishG | umm... let's not get there ;) |
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| 22:22.22 | MatthewWilkes | Shame, I regret never paying for my copy. KMB probably deserves it, it's a good programme. |
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| 22:22.53 | AshishG | :D |
| 22:23.08 | AshishG | you use it too |
| 22:23.18 | AshishG | it's my first client, and i don't think i'll try another |
| 22:23.59 | AshishG | (pidgin doesn't count :P) |
| 22:24.40 | liquidmetal | well |
| 22:24.43 | liquidmetal | pidgin = free |
| 22:24.55 | liquidmetal | plus you get to use the same single program |
| 22:25.06 | liquidmetal | for everything... gtalk, msn, yahoo and irc |
| 22:25.28 | MatthewWilkes | AshishG: I used to use it, when I was a windows user. |
| 22:25.32 | drt24 | liquidmetal: yes, and that is good, however pidgin wasn't that good at irc last time I tried it. |
| 22:25.52 | AshishG | drt24: hasn't changed much yet |
| 22:25.53 | drt24 | and now ubuntu has moved to empathy |
| 22:25.56 | liquidmetal | MatthewWilkes: what do you use now? |
| 22:26.25 | AshishG | i want to try irssi |
| 22:26.25 | liquidmetal | drt24: what features did you want? |
| 22:26.55 | MatthewWilkes | liquidmetal: X-Chat for Mac OSX |
| 22:27.00 | AshishG | or probably UI (liquidmetal: you take a Human-Computer Interaction class here) |
| 22:27.28 | AshishG | MatthewWilkes: did you bother with irssi? |
| 22:27.50 | liquidmetal | AshishG: go for X-Chat... iIRC it is |
| 22:28.11 | AshishG | thinks it's "injustice" (:P) that Mac users get the benifit of both *nix and OSS and the other kind |
| 22:28.20 | MatthewWilkes | AshishG: Textmode? No thanks! |
| 22:28.36 | AshishG | haha |
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| 22:28.51 | AshishG | bpython videos look good |
| 22:28.59 | AshishG | better than GUI programs i have used |
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| 22:29.54 | drt24 | likes irssi, though it's documentation is not as good as it could be |
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| 22:30.20 | drt24 | liquidmetal: as a side effect of being a program built for all protocols it wasn't so good at irc specific things |
| 22:30.38 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline |
| 22:30.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 22:30.40 | drt24 | it worked, but the other irc clients I hav used are better |
| 22:30.43 | AshishG | drt24: luckily it's cross platform, you if you could describe what you like about it, i might just try it out |
| 22:30.44 | Catfish_Man | drt24: I'm still convinced that's a symptom of insufficiently advanced gui design |
| 22:30.46 | Catfish_Man | not an inherent problem |
| 22:30.55 | Catfish_Man | but perhaps I'm wrong :) |
| 22:30.58 | Catfish_Man | uses Adium for irc |
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| 22:31.20 | drt24 | I have irssi running inside a screen session on a server. So I can connect to it from anywhere and it can log everything :-) |
| 22:31.22 | AshishG | wonders how many Mac users are here |
| 22:32.00 | AshishG | drt24: that's convenient |
| 22:32.08 | drt24 | indeed |
| 22:32.48 | micahcowan | That's what I would be doing if I had a server hosted with folks that didn't disallow IRC traffic of any kind. |
| 22:32.55 | micahcowan | Except I might be using tmux rather than screen. |
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| 22:33.42 | AshishG | Server --> LAMP, Client --> Mac, is that what ppl like doing? |
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| 22:34.23 | micahcowan | Depends on the people. I suspect you'll find a lot of Ubuntu (me) and Fedora Core users on here, in addition to various other things. |
| 22:34.28 | micahcowan | And yeah, Windows users. |
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| 22:34.59 | drt24 | has previously been reduced to CGI:IRC as a result of evil network admins, and then that got blocked and I stopped using irc until I got to uni |
| 22:35.10 | micahcowan | A few non-Linux-based *NIXes, too. |
| 22:35.45 | AshishG | CGI:IRC helps bypass proxies in some cases? |
| 22:35.58 | AshishG | ah! i see |
| 22:36.11 | AshishG | the previous one was for micahcowan |
| 22:38.26 | AshishG | drt24: how did CGI:IRC help bypass restrictions? |
| 22:38.30 | AshishG | i have a restriction on ports |
| 22:38.36 | AshishG | only 80 and 443 |
| 22:38.39 | drt24 | it is a web based interface |
| 22:38.49 | drt24 | and so I could access it over port 80 |
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| 22:39.16 | drt24 | but these days I have shell on lots of different servers so I could use corkscrew and ssh forwarding to get around evilness of that sort |
| 22:39.49 | AshishG | "evilness" :D |
| 22:40.34 | drt24 | ;-) |
| 22:40.36 | AshishG | has always felt censoring adults isn't what a free country's govt should allow |
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| 22:49.08 | AshishG | is very sleepy and wishes everyone a very good night, whenever their is |
| 22:49.42 | lfranchi | i dont know if it has |
| 22:49.58 | lfranchi | hmm, wrong window |
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| 22:53.48 | Copat | Should I apply to this project even with 1year with Java Programming experience? |
| 22:54.10 | Catfish_Man | which project? |
| 22:54.18 | Copat | gsoc |
| 22:54.27 | Catfish_Man | gsoc is more of a collection of projects |
| 22:54.34 | Copat | I see |
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| 22:55.15 | Catfish_Man | so if you can find a mentoring organization that you think you can accomplish something meaningful for... then sure, go ahead and apply |
| 22:55.43 | AshishG | Copat: that was intentional right? :D |
| 22:56.04 | Copat | [AshishG]: Probably, English is not my native language, but still I can handle it |
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| 22:58.40 | sonne | does anyone know when ln will be around next time? |
| 22:58.53 | sonne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.15 | drt24 | Copat: a lot of java can be written in a year :-) |
| 23:01.32 | mmadia | drank too. ;) |
| 23:01.53 | drt24 | :-) |
| 23:02.48 | AshishG | mmadia: :D |
| 23:02.53 | AshishG | m finally sleeping now |
| 23:02.55 | AshishG | gnite ppl |
| 23:05.37 | drt24 | <^nn |
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| 23:13.10 | gigasoft1 | who's in charge here? |
| 23:13.38 | smtms | gigasoft1, in charge of what? the IRC channel? |
| 23:13.52 | gigasoft1 | i do not know |
| 23:14.00 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 23:14.03 | gigasoft1 | :P |
| 23:14.04 | x` | hehe |
| 23:14.07 | Catfish_Man | when the question is ready, an answer will appear |
| 23:14.19 | MatthewWilkes | Shotgun in charge of cakes |
| 23:14.31 | Copat | Well, let's read the whole FAQ. |
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| 23:17.00 | ThomasWaldmann | apropos charge, you know what a funny loader message is? |
| 23:17.31 | ThomasWaldmann | "Loading Neutrino ..." < as seen on 2 DBox2 with Linux (and "Neutrino" UI) |
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| 23:48.00 | spectre | !faw |
| 23:48.01 | socinfo | Error: "faw" is not a valid command. |
| 23:48.02 | spectre | !faq |
| 23:48.02 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 23:51.20 | liquidmetal | !timeline |
| 23:51.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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