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| 00:13.35 | ScottMac | ok this home page document thing confuses me |
| 00:13.41 | ScottMac | whats it meant for? :) |
| 00:13.48 | ScottMac | and is there proper instructions on how to use it |
| 00:14.07 | MatthewWilkes | ScottMac: Evenin', it's a document that is shown as the text for the home page, along with the map and student listing |
| 00:14.18 | ScottMac | hey Mathew :) |
| 00:14.44 | MatthewWilkes | ScottMac: This is what it looks like without a homepage set: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2010/plone |
| 00:14.59 | ScottMac | ok thats what ours looks like |
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| 00:15.05 | MatthewWilkes | and this is with: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/melange |
| 00:15.16 | MatthewWilkes | Obviously it's not so useful until students are assigned |
| 00:15.26 | MatthewWilkes | but they want us to do it asap |
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| 00:15.37 | ScottMac | so just create a new document and put that ID in our profile? |
| 00:15.49 | ScottMac | though tbh that home page looks like crap compared to the plone one |
| 00:15.51 | MatthewWilkes | yup, but the document has to be in the scope of the org, not a personal one |
| 00:15.54 | ScottMac | the plone seems to have more details |
| 00:16.15 | MatthewWilkes | that's because it's just a view of the application, the info is still available and linked to in some places |
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| 01:35.43 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Orgs are announced at http://tinyurl.com/yj42nqw! - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! - Feedback on Org Applications Meeting here Friday March 26th at 16:00 UTC |
| 01:37.29 | Crix- | the GSoC talks about having a shell, is that provided by the sponsoring org? |
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| 01:38.47 | ojwb | Crix-: where does it talk about that? |
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| 01:45.12 | Crix- | nm, it wasn't on the official site, it was just the recommended best way to stay on IRC 24/7 |
| 01:45.44 | MatthewWilkes | You don't need to stay on IRC 24/7, especially if you're not going to be going through and reading all the logs |
| 01:46.18 | marcheu | and also a lot of orgs actually log channels and put them online, so you don't have to stay on 24/7 to read logs |
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| 01:47.19 | Crix- | thanks peeps |
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| 03:49.34 | Acedip | can one read the logs of the rejected org meeting? |
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| 03:54.31 | ojwb | read topic |
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| 04:28.14 | [mharrison] | Hilarious! http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2010/03/big-effing-deal-bill/ |
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| 04:56.31 | unimauro | Hi all :D |
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| 05:17.16 | MindVirus | Hello. I'm a student. How can I participate? |
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| 05:18.06 | unimauro | Hello MindVirus see a idea in this list projects http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 05:20.03 | [mharrison] | !faq |
| 05:20.03 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 05:26.19 | Andrius | why not just tell them that they can't? I'd expect students to at least be able to find faq themselves... |
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| 05:28.48 | [mharrison] | Andrius, I was just thinking that, but I decided I'd give him the benefit of the doubt |
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| 06:03.36 | gobi_ | is it only for students? as FAQ says school/college enrollment form is needed |
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| 06:04.40 | anth_x | GSoC has three roles: organization admins, mentors, and students. |
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| 06:05.08 | anth_x | for the "students" part, yes, actual enrollment in an accredited institution is required. |
| 06:05.27 | gobi_ | as i m a graduate but not a full time employee so can i participate as student? |
| 06:06.13 | anth_x | it doesn't sound like it. you need to be a registered student at some educational institution. |
| 06:06.16 | ojwb | gobi_: if you aren't enrolled still, no |
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| 06:08.05 | robbyoconnor | people need to f'en read |
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| 06:08.44 | ojwb | gobi_: please don't PM me |
| 06:08.55 | ojwb | if you have questions, ask them here |
| 06:09.05 | ojwb | but seriously, read the FAQ first |
| 06:09.38 | ojwb | it's states the requirement clearly |
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| 06:11.03 | robbyoconnor | ojwb: NOBODY reads |
| 06:11.08 | robbyoconnor | have you not picked that up |
| 06:11.23 | robbyoconnor | these are the nimrods that don't belong in the program :| |
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| 06:11.54 | robbyoconnor | it's not personal just cant stand it anymore |
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| 06:16.30 | ojwb | robbyoconnor: did you type something? |
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| 06:49.16 | [mharrison] | Or at least it seems that way since there's not much talk |
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| 06:51.01 | dylan-m | Night! |
| 06:53.26 | [mharrison] | adios |
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| 07:57.39 | unimauro | vlc idea page not found http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_2010 |
| 07:59.51 | kblin | unimauro: how about you tell the vlc folks, not us? |
| 08:00.41 | unimauro | oh ok ok. |
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| 08:01.10 | kblin | unimauro: I mean, if you tell them, they probably can fix it |
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| 08:19.25 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 08:22.06 | Master_Chief | Hello! The "Google Open Source Programs Office" page whose link is given at accepted orgs page doesn't seem to work (404) |
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| 08:25.05 | ekansh | hi |
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| 08:42.46 | kai | GHF: there you go |
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| 09:07.40 | f4hy | Yay gsoc |
| 09:08.06 | f4hy | Was worried I was going to miss it. Last year I didnt look it up till after the deadlines |
| 09:08.33 | onewho | me too! |
| 09:09.56 | f4hy | How good do you normally have to be to do a student gsoc project? Are only the best of the best choosen or is it pretty lax and most anyone willing to put in the time to hack it get to do one? |
| 09:10.55 | onewho | I don't know. Wondering the same. I suppose it depends on the individual project. I want to get in touch with a mentor for more info on that... |
| 09:11.44 | kai | really depends on the project |
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| 09:12.31 | kai | I think it's more important that I as a mentor see that you as a student are able and willing to learn the skills needed |
| 09:13.09 | kai | I mean we know GSoC is for students to get into Open Source development, we don't expect developers with years of experience |
| 09:13.35 | kai | of course you do need to know programming basics |
| 09:13.39 | kai | !next |
| 09:13.40 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
| 09:13.50 | kai | !timeline |
| 09:13.50 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 09:14.33 | f4hy | Right, but since it is for students, will you have enough applicants that yuo just take the guy who is top of his class in computer science at $awesomeuniversity ? |
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| 09:15.30 | kai | I actually don't care, as I can't really check that anyway |
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| 09:16.15 | kai | during the application I want to see first-hand that the student knows what he's talking about |
| 09:16.51 | kai | there's so many comp-sci graduates that can't program their way out of a paper bag that "I was top of my class" doesn't really prove anything |
| 09:17.15 | llnz | f4hy: often the top of his/her class can't write a proposal that we would consider |
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| 09:20.04 | onewho | Thanks for the feedback guys :) |
| 09:20.11 | f4hy | Ya thanks! |
| 09:21.18 | f4hy | What is the completion rate of the GSoC projects. Do alot of students fail and not finish the project or are most able to cut it? I imagine the application process should do a decent job of finding students who would do a good job, but just curious. |
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| 09:21.40 | kai | 85% success rate last year, I think |
| 09:21.51 | llnz | that's about right |
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| 09:22.34 | kai | interestingly it's far from trivial to identify people who'll do a good job |
| 09:23.09 | f4hy | Oh I am sure. There is a whole industry on how to recruit programmers. |
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| 09:57.17 | aboSamoor | I am fresh graduate, finished computer engineering and I am planning to join PhD program next August. Am I legitimate to enroll in the program ? |
| 09:57.59 | kai | !amieligible |
| 09:57.59 | socinfo | Error: "amieligible" is not a valid command. |
| 09:58.01 | kai | durn |
| 09:58.04 | kai | !eligible |
| 09:58.04 | socinfo | "eligible" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 09:58.06 | Ivanovic | you have to be enrolled as of april 26th (not sure about the correct day) |
| 09:58.16 | Ivanovic | if you are not enrolled: most likely not |
| 09:58.36 | kai | aboSamoor: or you need to have a confirmation that you will be enrolled, IIRC |
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| 10:02.36 | aboSamoor | I see, I think I am not eligible according to their definition as I am not enrolled in any education program till mid of August :). |
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| 10:03.49 | kai | aboSamoor: of course you can still get involved in open source even without gsoc :) |
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| 10:06.20 | aboSamoor | kai, i am already. Tester and bug management. However, I am not developing because to have more time to learn the open source technologies that I am already spending on getting money to live. I hoped that gsoc will help me to have that time so after that I can continue in open source developing beside my work. |
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| 10:14.27 | thobe | any suggestions on where to announce projects in order to find interested students? |
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| 10:15.43 | Guest42120 | help |
| 10:16.55 | Guest42120 | who |
| 10:17.19 | thobe | Guest42120: what do you need help with? |
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| 10:19.57 | ojwb | thobe: put them on your org's project list |
| 10:21.21 | thobe | ojwb: yeah, done that. I was just wondering if there was some sort of other announcement channel I could use as well |
| 10:22.50 | ojwb | thobe: not really - it wouldn't really scale well... |
| 10:23.16 | ojwb | there's ~1000 student slots, and more project ideas than that |
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| 10:23.36 | ojwb | the students are directed to those lists |
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| 11:03.41 | ajuonline | Master_Chief: thats ok. it will only link back to the Google OSPO blog or something, |
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| 11:04.04 | Master_Chief | ok |
| 11:05.39 | ajuonline | thobe: twitter? tag it with #gsoc, on the gsoc discuss list, and yesterday I read, on the geekfeminism blog? |
| 11:07.21 | thobe | ajuonline: thanks, great suggestions |
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| 11:11.00 | ajuonline | thobe: http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/23/gf-classifieds-google-summer-of-code-edition/#comments |
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| 11:13.12 | ajuonline | thobe: source: http://twitter.com/catallman/status/10988169126 =) |
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| 11:54.57 | socinfo | "soc" is http://code.google.com/soc/ |
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| 11:55.47 | prakhar | !faq |
| 11:55.48 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 11:56.11 | prakhar | !socinfo |
| 11:56.11 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 11:56.25 | straydawg | :) |
| 11:56.40 | prakhar | :) |
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| 12:30.57 | socinfo | "soc" is http://code.google.com/soc/ |
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| 12:54.26 | Max__ | If I understood correctly, GSOC just mates student open source projects with mentoring organizations? |
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| 12:55.34 | sfb | Max__: Not exactly... Mentoring organizations are open source projects typically. |
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| 12:57.41 | Max__ | OK. Therefore? |
| 12:59.22 | Max__ | I am a CS student. If I want to participate in GSOC I need to have a proposal for a project? I can't just come and write code? |
| 12:59.39 | infinity0 | right |
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| 12:59.52 | ojwb | Max__: the FAQ can answer all these questions, and more... |
| 13:00.04 | Max__ | No, it can't. I read the FAG. |
| 13:00.15 | Max__ | *FAQ |
| 13:01.14 | Max__ | There is no clear definition of what the different participants are supposed to be doing, or even who they are. |
| 13:01.35 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#program_works |
| 13:01.49 | rajat | why don't you go check the organisation's page |
| 13:01.58 | rajat | it has ideas max__ |
| 13:02.22 | Max__ | ojwb, That is one of the most unclear things I have read in a long time. And I just finished Beowolf. |
| 13:02.35 | infinity0 | unclear in what way |
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| 13:02.55 | ojwb | shrugs, reads fine to me |
| 13:03.02 | Max__ | Who are students? What are they expected to do? To participate must I have a project proposal? |
| 13:03.03 | ihalip | Max__: check the timeline then |
| 13:03.05 | D1ggl3r | Max__, look at it like this: Google wants to be seen as promoting OSS, but doesn't want to do much more than throwing some money. So organizations find you, and you find organizations, and Google is the financial umbrella |
| 13:03.06 | rajat | agrees |
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| 13:04.11 | rajat | max__ i'll suggest reading the whole FAQ first |
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| 13:04.30 | infinity0 | Max__: if you started from the beginning, it says "Google Summer of Code is a program that offers student developers stipends"... etc |
| 13:04.39 | infinity0 | lol, troll, fuck it |
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| 13:04.53 | ihalip | infinity0: my thoughts exactly |
| 13:05.09 | D1ggl3r | well guys, what did you expect... using IRC for such thing is a silly idea |
| 13:05.19 | infinity0 | nah, that's just 1 case out of many |
| 13:05.25 | ojwb | D1ggl3r: no! IRC is great for trolling |
| 13:05.31 | rajat | lol |
| 13:05.34 | D1ggl3r | heh) |
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| 13:06.12 | ojwb | frankly, if someone read the FAQ and failed to find answers to those questions, they're not going to make a good gsoc proposition |
| 13:06.22 | kai | D1ggl3r: right. there's never any trolls on forums, we should use those instead |
| 13:06.49 | ojwb | being able to find answers to questions is one of the more useful skills |
| 13:07.21 | D1ggl3r | kai, i'm not talking about the trolls, rather about using IRC as a development medium, this appears to have become popular lately |
| 13:07.46 | kai | ojwb: right, for mentoring orgs, watching the students in #gsoc is a great first-pass filter :) |
| 13:08.00 | kai | D1ggl3r: development meduim? |
| 13:08.06 | ojwb | has been known to grep for handles of applicants in the logs... |
| 13:08.08 | D1ggl3r | medium. |
| 13:08.57 | D1ggl3r | you sound like kids, judging people by their behavior on irc is silly. i mostly troll on irc, it's not good for anything much better |
| 13:08.58 | kai | ok, so what in your previous comment is "such thing"? |
| 13:09.28 | kai | right, and your proposed medium for talking to a bunch of people at once is... twitter? |
| 13:09.29 | infinity0 | actually i find IRC better as a development medium |
| 13:09.35 | D1ggl3r | n/m, perhaps for something so preliminary a big chat is a good alternative |
| 13:09.39 | infinity0 | i can never remember what someone said 2 minutes ago (i'm serious) |
| 13:09.51 | infinity0 | it's nice being able to reply in your own time and scroll back for reference |
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| 13:09.55 | D1ggl3r | kai, a forum is good |
| 13:10.06 | kai | aha |
| 13:10.08 | kai | why? |
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| 13:10.21 | kai | I mostly troll on forums, it's all they're good for |
| 13:10.27 | WinterMute | rofl |
| 13:10.41 | D1ggl3r | kai, well, you are an irc retard... you behave the same everywhere |
| 13:10.58 | ojwb | play nice children! |
| 13:11.04 | D1ggl3r | c'mon |
| 13:11.16 | D1ggl3r | you are still asleep in amerika, no? |
| 13:11.36 | ojwb | what a strange question |
| 13:11.46 | WinterMute | forums are ok for stuff you don't mind being immortalised forever, IRC is good for discussion & thought gathering |
| 13:11.56 | infinity0 | yeah |
| 13:11.57 | D1ggl3r | i mean the channel is mostly dead... because it's early in usa. |
| 13:12.00 | kai | D1ggl3r: I'm just trying to make the point that I don't find your argument very convincing. not without any attemt of bringing evidence to back your claims |
| 13:12.05 | ojwb | immortalised until the forum server gets shut down |
| 13:12.21 | kai | !logs |
| 13:12.21 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 13:12.27 | schumaml | WinterMute: not that there's any guarantee that irc logs won't be immortalised forever |
| 13:12.27 | WinterMute | IRC == the pub, forums == sanitised meeting notes |
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| 13:12.34 | D1ggl3r | kai, it's not an argument, it's an observation - forums work better for civilized discussion |
| 13:13.07 | WinterMute | wonders what forums D1ggl3r visits |
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| 13:13.21 | kai | D1ggl3r: I've seen many forums that don't look like that. I've also seen many IRC channels with very business-like conversations |
| 13:13.23 | schumaml | maybe one with a mandatory spell checker module? |
| 13:14.04 | garbeam | D1ggl3r: forums suck, mailinglists are much better, IRC is also a lot better for quick responses than a forum |
| 13:14.15 | schumaml | "Sorry, the spell checker has found the following errors in your post: ... . Please correct them and try again." |
| 13:14.33 | D1ggl3r | yes, mailing lists are better than a forum - i was talking about this phase of gsoc specifically |
| 13:14.49 | WinterMute | mailing lists suck, there's no substitute for letters written in longhand! ;) |
| 13:14.53 | kpreid | the usefulness of almost any medium is going to depend on the community that inhabits it |
| 13:15.22 | kpreid | the medium does have influence on how the community develops, of course, but I think in the end it's the people that matter, and how they *choose* to use it |
| 13:15.29 | kai | meh |
| 13:15.46 | kai | D1ggl3r: I still think IRC is better for getting quick answers |
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| 13:16.01 | D1ggl3r | kai, of course, but only for that |
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| 13:16.26 | kai | and anyway, bbiaf, got to get some coffee |
| 13:16.33 | schumaml | WinterMute: then get yourself a Memex |
| 13:17.13 | WinterMute | just trolling, seemed like the flavour of the moment ;o) |
| 13:17.22 | D1ggl3r | i'm gonna logout... the irc channel of the project that specified that its development "happens on irc" is not reponsive. guess i will have to register on their bug tracking system after all |
| 13:17.24 | ojwb | you're all clearly nuts - google wave is the only sane discussion medium! |
| 13:17.38 | WinterMute | ojwb, but what about buzz? |
| 13:17.57 | D1ggl3r | heh, google is pathetic |
| 13:17.57 | ojwb | that's just a load of hype |
| 13:18.07 | D1ggl3r | they did one thing right - web advertisements |
| 13:18.11 | WinterMute | o_O |
| 13:18.17 | D1ggl3r | but they are trying to be inventors :) |
| 13:19.01 | D1ggl3r | somehow people tend to think that the amount of money they have reflects their actual worth :) |
| 13:19.15 | Ivanovic | D1ggl3r: and what is not responsive for you? |
| 13:19.25 | D1ggl3r | Ivanovic, #wicd |
| 13:19.32 | Ivanovic | D1ggl3r: do not expect any answer withhin the minuite |
| 13:19.36 | Ivanovic | some people have to work and the likes |
| 13:19.48 | D1ggl3r | well, i posted the question like an hour ago |
| 13:19.57 | Ivanovic | you know, eg in europe most people tend to not irc at 2pm since they are working then |
| 13:20.10 | Ivanovic | and in the us it is "damn early" in the morning atm |
| 13:20.17 | Ivanovic | would not expect and answer from those either |
| 13:20.53 | D1ggl3r | well that's irc summed up... |
| 13:21.04 | Ivanovic | just because clients are online does not mean that you get instant reactions |
| 13:21.26 | Ivanovic | things might be completely different in the evening hours when people are actually around and got time to do something |
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| 13:21.42 | Ivanovic | yeah, most open source people are not paid for the work they do on projects |
| 13:22.05 | D1ggl3r | well, i'm in europe as well, so to say... so evening for them is REM dreams for me. |
| 13:22.09 | Ivanovic | i'd suggest to just stay idle in there |
| 13:22.28 | D1ggl3r | they have a bug tracking system, i will just ask there |
| 13:22.30 | Ivanovic | ehm, you know that most companies in europe do not accept people to chat in irc while they work, right? |
| 13:22.50 | D1ggl3r | they work in europe? :) |
| 13:22.51 | Ivanovic | so wait till it is something like 8pm, there it is more likely to get a response |
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| 13:24.30 | D1ggl3r | by the way, isn't irc supposed to be dead now? i thought jabber conferences are all the rage |
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| 13:26.04 | ojwb | it got better |
| 13:26.27 | Ivanovic | it looks like irc is not dead considering the amount of projects relying on irc... |
| 13:26.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:26.46 | pygi | ChipX86, poke |
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| 13:27.17 | D1ggl3r | well, it's relative. although I didn't see some projects relying on jabber indeed. |
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| 13:28.07 | MattJ | D1ggl3r: Look up the "network effect" if you're interested - more people are currently on IRC, so it's what most people use |
| 13:28.28 | MattJ | The incentive to switch isn't there, despite the technology |
| 13:28.59 | D1ggl3r | MattJ, I doubt that there is more people on IRC right now than say 10 years ago |
| 13:29.14 | MattJ | That said, my project's only chatroom is on XMPP, but then it /is/ an XMPP project :) |
| 13:29.21 | D1ggl3r | heh |
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| 13:40.59 | vick | hi |
| 13:41.20 | vick | i need help regarding the working organization under gsoc |
| 13:42.15 | ihalip | what do you mean? |
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| 13:42.25 | vick | oh thanks u replied |
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| 13:47.33 | kai | vick: ask your question, we only do mind-reading on tuesdays |
| 13:48.03 | vick | ok |
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| 13:48.15 | kai | :) |
| 13:48.21 | vick | i'll just gonna join you after some time....don't mind |
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| 13:56.28 | ajuonline | whois* |
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| 13:58.08 | kai | I just _hate_ metaquestions |
| 13:58.41 | danbri | something seems wrong with http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 ... only one entry (xmpp) showing up |
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| 13:59.10 | MattJ | It should load, it just takes a minute |
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| 13:59.53 | MattJ | XMPP is in a separate list because they still haven't completed their profile |
| 14:00.00 | MattJ | bear: *poke poke poke* ^ |
| 14:00.23 | bear | MattJ, hi |
| 14:00.34 | bear | MattJ, oh! |
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| 14:00.53 | bear | shall fix that |
| 14:00.56 | danbri | it took several minutes |
| 14:01.10 | danbri | well it didn't load yet |
| 14:01.22 | danbri | i dunno, i'm using this obscure new browser |
| 14:01.27 | danbri | Chrome, anyone heard of it? |
| 14:01.32 | bear | :) |
| 14:02.20 | danbri | bear, is the xmpp project list open for suggestions? i'd love to see XEP-0174 get some love... |
| 14:02.55 | MattJ | danbri: Sure, it's a wiki - didn't I create you an account once? |
| 14:03.05 | MattJ | maybe I mis-remember |
| 14:03.15 | danbri | you did, but i don't know the etiquette of making up new projects |
| 14:03.22 | MattJ | Just add :) |
| 14:03.29 | MattJ | The more the merrier |
| 14:03.39 | danbri | i meant to propose FOAF project for GSOC but missed deadlines, but if I can float relevant project ideas via xmpp that's cool :) |
| 14:03.54 | bear | danbri, it is - you can make them via email to me (bear@xmpp.org) or to the gsoc@xmpp.org list |
| 14:03.55 | danbri | there is some TV-related stuff (xmpp for remote controls too), i'd be happy to help mentor |
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| 14:04.19 | MattJ | bear: I'm sure he's able to just add them to the page himself (he has a wiki account) |
| 14:04.28 | bear | yea, you can also add them to the wiki - but please also post to the list so that the idea gets more attention |
| 14:04.43 | binnyg | Good Morning. Where can I find the list of programs available for 2010? |
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| 14:04.53 | MattJ | bear: but the list only has a handful of people on it... |
| 14:05.13 | bear | mattj - then I need to "fix" that |
| 14:05.16 | ajuonline | binnyg: the link is in the /topic |
| 14:05.17 | danbri | joins the list |
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| 14:05.54 | bear | i've been waiting for ietf77 to be over so I can get some info from stpeter - to start doing more public discussion of gsoc and gather interest |
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| 14:07.31 | danbri | the /topic is hard to read in LimeChat fwiw (you get the first 30 chars only) |
| 14:07.39 | |Kev| | danbri: hi. |
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| 14:09.13 | |Kev| | danbri: fwiw, just go ahead and add your ideas to the wiki page. |
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| 14:09.33 | |Kev| | danbri: if they're truly horrendous ideas, someone might tidy them up, but I find that unlikely. |
| 14:09.40 | drt24 | !orgs |
| 14:09.40 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 14:09.58 | bear | wonders if that is the same Kev on jdev |
| 14:10.27 | |Kev| | bear: you have the power to find out. |
| 14:11.05 | bear | :) |
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| 14:11.34 | |Kev| | bear: is the org info uploaded now? |
| 14:11.46 | danbri_ | likes seeing xmpp people in irc |
| 14:11.50 | bear | working on it - dayjob meeting slowing me down |
| 14:11.53 | |Kev| | danbri: *shudder* |
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| 14:12.10 | danbri_ | 15-summers of code project: migrate Freenode to dual xmpp/irc services |
| 14:12.18 | MattJ | :) |
| 14:12.25 | |Kev| | Yes, that'd be pretty interesting. |
| 14:12.43 | danbri_ | someday... |
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| 14:14.51 | |Kev| | bear: if you don't have the time for it, there are plenty of people willing to help with the admin. |
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| 14:18.49 | bear | |kev| yep |
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| 14:23.19 | danbri_ | xmpp guys, just mailed -> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/gsoc/2010-March/000290.html |
| 14:23.51 | |Kev| | Dan: thanks, will read shortly. |
| 14:24.03 | bear | |Kev|, the question I need answering is how many slots did XSF request in the past |
| 14:24.27 | |Kev| | bear: depending on the year, 10 or 6. |
| 14:24.41 | bear | then I will put 10 |
| 14:24.42 | |Kev| | Do you need to know how many to ask for this year, or literally a question on how many we requested before? |
| 14:24.54 | |Kev| | If it's the former, ask for 6. |
| 14:24.55 | bear | it's on the form that I am filling out |
| 14:25.08 | MattJ | What's the question? |
| 14:25.15 | bear | Slots Desired? |
| 14:25.23 | |Kev| | Slots Desired, I suggest 6. |
| 14:25.32 | MattJ | |Kev|: was 10 too many? |
| 14:25.36 | kblin | bear: you don't need to answer that one yet |
| 14:25.48 | bear | kblin, that works :) |
| 14:25.56 | kblin | bear: wait until the applications are in and you know how many you really want |
| 14:26.26 | |Kev| | MattJ: 10 was 3 years ago, we decided we'd be better off asking for 6 two years ago, and selecting a higher quality applicant. Better to have the 4 slots go to another project that'll use them sensibly than give them to less worthwhile XSF projects. |
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| 14:27.08 | MattJ | I guess as kblin says, we'll see when applications come in :) |
| 14:27.13 | kblin | |Kev|: I agree there, you don't want as many students as you could possibly get regardless of the quality of your applicants |
| 14:27.14 | |Kev| | MattJ: we decided it was both hard to find good mentors for 10 students, and hard to find 10 good students on 10 good projects. |
| 14:28.03 | MattJ | |Kev|: if mentors was the bottleneck then I'm sure we have more this year :) |
| 14:28.14 | |Kev| | MattJ: more people willing, certainly. |
| 14:28.24 | |Kev| | Mentors have to be competent as well as willing, though :) |
| 14:28.46 | MattJ | Good job I'm not hurt by that :) |
| 14:29.18 | |Kev| | It would be good to have mentors who have previously shown some vague ability to help people through their problems in the communities before. |
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| 14:29.37 | |Kev| | Well, yes, obviously I was trying to claim your incompetence, it makes me look better :) |
| 14:29.49 | danbri_ | do you have 1 or 2 mentors per project? |
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| 14:30.21 | kai | ah, wrong irc client |
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| 14:30.42 | |Kev| | danbri_: the XSF? One formally. We hope students will interact with more than that. |
| 14:31.06 | danbri_ | makes sense if one person has responsibility |
| 14:32.02 | |Kev| | Students who interact only with their mentor don't do so well, generally. |
| 14:32.15 | bear | the goal is also to find mentor backups where possible |
| 14:32.19 | |Kev| | MattJ: Clearly you'd be an obvious mentor :) |
| 14:32.48 | |Kev| | bear: although just picking non-flaky mentors in the first place alleviates that need greatly. |
| 14:32.57 | danbri_ | yeah, I used to supervise MSc students from time to time ... the ones who do better know how to go find help/collab in the 'net at large |
| 14:33.53 | |Kev| | Indeed. |
| 14:34.06 | bear | ok, XSF Org forms all filled out |
| 14:34.07 | ojwb | |Kev|: crises can happen to anyone though |
| 14:34.23 | |Kev| | ojwb: they can indeed. |
| 14:34.32 | kai | danbri_: right, a bussing factor of 1 is never good :) |
| 14:34.34 | |Kev| | ojwb: but there's crises and flakiness, independently :) |
| 14:35.06 | ojwb | yeah |
| 14:35.48 | |Kev| | By which I roughly mean: I don't think it's going to be a problem for the XSF to find a replacement mentor if one has a crisis during the summer. Finding a backup mentor for each project because we're not sure the first mentor will stick with it seems like we're picking first mentors wrong. |
| 14:36.24 | |Kev| | Insert various 'would's into that. |
| 14:36.39 | ojwb | it can be useful if a second mentor is explicitly earmarked, and can roughly keep track of progress |
| 14:36.58 | ojwb | but there's lots of different ways to approach the issues |
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| 14:37.28 | |Kev| | Yes, true - that's what the weekly meetings with all the mentors and students, and the frequent blog posting is supposed to achieve (for us) |
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| 15:23.24 | ark_ | Hi. I was wondering something. If I can apply to more than one project, but I can only be accepted in one, then, maybe some projects for some organizations will end without a developer? |
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| 15:23.46 | ark_ | is convenient to apply to more than one project?, what does mentors think about this? |
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| 15:26.22 | Crofton | ark_, I think it is OK to apply for multiple projects |
| 15:26.38 | Crofton | hopefully, everyone has more applicants than they can accept |
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| 15:27.21 | ajuonline | isnt the limit 20 applications per student? |
| 15:27.31 | araujo | ark_, it is good, and during the program timeline exist a phase to solve the issue of students assigned to different organizations |
| 15:27.38 | ark_ | ajuonline: yep, 20 per student, and only one can be accepted. |
| 15:27.49 | ajuonline | right |
| 15:27.58 | ark_ | araujo: ahh, thanks, i didn't know that. |
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| 15:29.19 | ajuonline | ark_: its called Conflict Resolution :P |
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| 15:30.36 | kai | ark_: I would suggest against using up all 20 of your applications, though |
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| 15:31.14 | ark_ | kai: yep, I think they're too mucho, but I was thinking about applying to two or three. |
| 15:31.27 | kai | that sounds reasonable |
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| 15:32.09 | ajuonline | i always just end up with 1 |
| 15:32.24 | ajuonline | i tried 2 each year |
| 15:33.14 | ark_ | oh, thanks for the answers everyone. |
| 15:33.30 | kai | tries to remember who the student who would've been accepted in five orgs in 2008 was |
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| 15:33.56 | ark_ | kai: o.o, five!! |
| 15:33.57 | kai | but I'd assume that this is the exception |
| 15:34.11 | kai | I doubt I could have done that :) |
| 15:34.12 | Catfish_Man | wasn't KillerX accepted to 6? |
| 15:34.14 | |Kev| | I would recommend you talk to the org first, though. |
| 15:34.28 | kai | Catfish_Man: rightm that's the one I was thinking about |
| 15:34.29 | ajuonline | KillerX ftw! :P |
| 15:34.35 | |Kev| | If you blindly apply to many projects from the same org, people may wonder what you're doing. |
| 15:34.42 | Catfish_Man | where is that dude anyway |
| 15:34.46 | Catfish_Man | he should be here to hang out with us |
| 15:34.49 | ajuonline | holidaying |
| 15:35.01 | Catfish_Man | booooring |
| 15:35.16 | kai | Catfish_Man: rightm that's the one I was thinking about |
| 15:35.30 | ajuonline | is this deja vu? |
| 15:35.38 | Catfish_Man | it is! |
| 15:35.41 | ajuonline | or something's wrong with the matrix |
| 15:35.44 | ark_ | |Kev|: yep, I tought about that. If I apply to many, the orgs could think something weird, and reduce my possibilities. |
| 15:35.47 | thebolt | there is a glitch in the matrix.. run! |
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| 15:37.15 | vikashag | this is the first time i came to knew abt gsoc. can ony let me know wat are the technical demands |
| 15:37.32 | kai | meh |
| 15:37.34 | greggy | Hi, what's it take to get on the GS0C mentors mailing list. I keep getting denied. I';m the admin and a mentor for IDI |
| 15:37.38 | ark_ | thebolt: no tengo tal comando /run |
| 15:37.44 | kai | pokes his connection |
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| 15:38.24 | ajuonline | greggy: it takes some time I guess :P you dont request, you get automatically added to it |
| 15:38.33 | kai | ark_: well, there's a difference between applying at two orgs and applying at the same org twice |
| 15:38.42 | ajuonline | i think after students are selected |
| 15:38.49 | kai | ajuonline: nope |
| 15:39.08 | kai | greggy: have you completed your admin profile from melange? |
| 15:39.09 | greggy | ajuonline: okay, I guess I'll try again |
| 15:39.11 | ark_ | kai: one organization cannot know about applications to other org? |
| 15:39.24 | ajuonline | greggy: listen to what kai says then :P not me, i was just guessing. |
| 15:39.34 | greggy | kai: ya, mu admin profile is complete |
| 15:39.35 | Catfish_Man | ark_: if they go and ask they can |
| 15:39.47 | |Kev| | ark_: I agree with kai, and I don't think you shouldn't consider applying to the same org more than once. Just that you should talk to them and see what they'd think. |
| 15:39.55 | kai | ark_: well, at some point in time we'll see if there's conflicts with other orgs |
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| 15:41.06 | kai | |Kev|: I'd prefer if the student talks to me first to find out which of the two projects she's interested in she actually wants to do before applying for one of them |
| 15:41.19 | ark_ | |Kev|, kai: I understand. |
| 15:41.30 | |Kev| | kai: I always prefer if the student talks to me :) |
| 15:41.30 | Catfish_Man | we've had a few students that applied several times and were successful |
| 15:41.42 | Catfish_Man | one in particular comes to mind. Wildly creative guy |
| 15:41.46 | kai | right, it depends on the circumstances |
| 15:42.48 | kai | ark_: I can't speak for other projects, of course, but for the projects I work with, we usually rank students without giving a thought if they applied elsewhere |
| 15:42.51 | |Kev| | Particularly if there's a couple of similar projects, the student could be passionate about wanting to do one of them, but not worried which it is. Then I'd be happy for them to apply for both, and if someone else applies to only one of them, and is good... |
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| 15:43.43 | kai | |Kev|: but if the student told me about that first, I could suggest that she should change the scope of her proposal even after the application deadline |
| 15:43.55 | |Kev| | *nod* |
| 15:44.10 | kai | we tried doing that with a couple of seemingly good students who all applied for the same project |
| 15:44.11 | |Kev| | I think we're agreeing - talk to the org and talk to them about what you want to do :) |
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| 15:44.37 | ojwb | ark_: it's useful to know if students have applied to other orgs |
| 15:44.51 | ojwb | since then you have more idea how many "spares" to worry about |
| 15:45.13 | spectie | yeah |
| 15:45.19 | spectie | you should definitely mention it to the orgs in question |
| 15:45.22 | kai | ark_: so when I applied for Wine _and_ Samba in 2007, I told them both orgs |
| 15:45.29 | ojwb | there seems to be a latent paranoia amongst students about it |
| 15:45.33 | ojwb | at least some |
| 15:45.46 | ojwb | but we really aren't going to reject you because you also applied elsewhere |
| 15:45.55 | kai | both orgs ended up picking me, so they actually asked me what I'd prefer to work on |
| 15:46.06 | ark_ | mmm, cool to know that |
| 15:46.13 | kai | but you can't count on that happening |
| 15:46.27 | ojwb | otoh, if I asked you and find later you lied, that doesn't bode well... |
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| 15:47.46 | kai | ark_: it's important that you only apply for projects you'd love to work on |
| 15:47.53 | |Kev| | +1 |
| 15:48.06 | kai | because sometimes during conflict resolution, some slots are shuffled around fast |
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| 15:48.22 | Catfish_Man | mmmm Chaos Meeting® |
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| 15:48.52 | _Samo | in your organisations what's the rate between serious applications and mentorable slots do you usually have? |
| 15:48.59 | kai | and if it's like two orgs want to have the applicant, but one org has like 5 other good people and the other org has no other good choice, most of the time the one without the choice will end up with the student |
| 15:49.14 | kai | _Samo: puh, hard to tell |
| 15:49.31 | kai | I don't think I can give a general answer to that |
| 15:49.47 | kai | if you have a proposal that's too easy, you'll get a lot of junk applications |
| 15:50.31 | kai | if all of your proposals are pretty hard, you'll get less proposals, with a higher quality |
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| 15:50.55 | _Samo | well we are a bit worried this is our first year and our mentoring capacity is limited to four slots maximun but we are getting lots of applications, some of them very nice |
| 15:50.57 | dberkholz | and possibly less slots as a result... |
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| 15:51.00 | kai | you're with yayfray (or however that's written), right? |
| 15:51.12 | _Samo | yep |
| 15:51.46 | kai | I haven't looked at your ideas list, but if you don't have a web-development proposal, you're probably on the safe side ;) |
| 15:52.05 | _Samo | about two or three new students every day, many of them do have a raytracing background |
| 15:52.45 | _Samo | I mean is that normal for other orgs? |
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| 15:53.48 | Taggnostr | hello |
| 15:53.52 | dberkholz | it's much better to have (good proposals > slots) than the other way around |
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| 15:54.28 | dberkholz | i would guess that the vast majority of orgs wish they had more slots |
| 15:54.50 | _Samo | well in our case we wish we had more mentoring capacity |
| 15:54.59 | Catfish_Man | yeah that's more common in my experience |
| 15:55.25 | dberkholz | _Samo: focus on turning your students into contributors, then next year if you get in again, you'll *have* more capacity |
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| 15:55.58 | Taggnostr | I have a couple of questions: afaiu, students have to work 40 hours a week, can they work whenever they want as long as they do the 40 hours? are they monitered somehow? can they take days off? |
| 15:56.08 | _Samo | yep |
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| 15:56.14 | |Kev| | Taggnostr: are you a student or mentor? |
| 15:56.22 | Taggnostr | student |
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| 15:56.36 | |Kev| | SPeak to the mentors of the orgs you're interested in applying to :) |
| 15:56.39 | Catfish_Man | Taggnostr: you could work 2 hours a week if you still managed to get your project done |
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| 15:56.49 | |Kev| | I don't care about hours put in, only getting stuff done |
| 15:56.54 | Catfish_Man | it's just expected that the projects are large enough to require 40hr/wk |
| 15:57.05 | Catfish_Man | and if they aren't, the mentor should work with the student to expand the scope |
| 15:57.14 | kai | Taggnostr: talk to your mentor |
| 15:57.20 | Taggnostr | that sounds good |
| 15:57.49 | kai | we require students to come up with a schedule they intend to work on during gsoc |
| 15:57.50 | |Kev| | If you don't get stuff done, and don't seem to be putting in any hours, I'll get irritated. |
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| 15:58.08 | kai | if they budget for some time off, that's usually not a problem if they get the work done |
| 15:58.12 | |Kev| | If you get stuff done and don't seem to be putting in any hours, I'll probably up the scope with you. |
| 15:58.33 | |Kev| | Yes I, too, have required schedule plans from students. |
| 15:58.38 | kai | I'll certainly won't hack your computer's webcam to see what time you spend in front of it |
| 15:58.41 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 15:58.53 | |Kev| | kai: that doesn't mean it's bad if I do, though, right |
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| 15:59.09 | schumaml | kai: that would be inefficient, you'd use an app to do this for you |
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| 15:59.42 | Taggnostr | so should I include in my proposal a detailed schedule of all the things I'm planning to do and the estimate time? |
| 15:59.50 | |Kev| | Talk to your mentor. |
| 16:00.01 | Taggnostr | I don't have one |
| 16:00.16 | kai | tq |
| 16:00.19 | Catfish_Man | s/mentor/mentoring organization for the project you're applying for |
| 16:00.22 | |Kev| | If you know what you're applying for, you have the means to work out who to speak to :) |
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| 16:00.27 | kai | what Catfish_Man said :) |
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| 16:01.05 | kai | schumaml: "iSpyOnYou, available from app-store" |
| 16:01.14 | Taggnostr | |Kev|, ok, I talked to some of them already, but they didn't give me any detailed instructions yet |
| 16:01.19 | |Kev| | The best thing you can do is speak to the people who'll be looking at your app, and mentoring you if you succeed. They'll help with exactly what will be most use to them in your application. At least, I can't imagine any org not doing so. |
| 16:01.38 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: well, some orgs will be as bewildered as the students right now ;) |
| 16:01.39 | |Kev| | Taggnostr: you may need to be very proactive. These are often busy people. |
| 16:01.42 | Catfish_Man | but they should still have some ideas :) |
| 16:01.56 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: right, those are the ones it's probably most important to speak to :) |
| 16:02.31 | kai | !support |
| 16:02.31 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
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| 16:05.26 | ojwb | _Samo: also, resist trying to over-extend yourself in the first year - you'll undoubtably learn a lot from the experience and be able to do better next time around, but if you mess up now, you've let students down and are less likely to be invited back |
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| 16:06.19 | Crix- | ojwb: do students evaluate orgs as well? |
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| 16:06.37 | |Kev| | Yes. |
| 16:06.48 | |Kev| | Well, they give feedback on the whole process. |
| 16:07.53 | ojwb | Crix-: yes, at the midterm and end |
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| 16:09.35 | Crix- | for those of you who've looked at student appplications before, would you say a majority of them include detailed design documents (i.e. block diagram, flowchart, etc)? |
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| 16:10.01 | Crix- | or just mostly verbal ideas? |
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| 16:10.17 | |Kev| | Mostly verbal |
| 16:10.20 | |Kev| | I think that's good, fwiw. |
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| 16:10.40 | ojwb | hasn't seen many diagrams |
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| 16:10.46 | |Kev| | I don't think it's good for students to go into the project telling the mentors how they're going to solve the problem technically without having discussed it with the mentors first. |
| 16:10.53 | |Kev| | Well, it could be fine. |
| 16:10.58 | ojwb | though I'd probably avoid forcing a format for them where they can't be provided |
| 16:11.02 | |Kev| | It can also be very not fine. |
| 16:11.32 | ojwb | |Kev|: yeah, sometimes it's just gibberish |
| 16:11.41 | |Kev| | I've had students want to plough ahead with their designs/plans despite as much encouragement as I can give for them to do things differently. |
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| 16:12.17 | dberkholz | the application period is long enough that there should be plenty of time to refine plans collaboratively |
| 16:12.33 | ojwb | |Kev|: if they can't be guided at this point, they won't be easy to mentor |
| 16:12.33 | |Kev| | dberkholz: and here we have again the golden rule of Talk to the Org. |
| 16:12.46 | |Kev| | ojwb: Yes, we live and learn. |
| 16:12.58 | Crix- | |Kev|: i suppose some students could be a bit eagar! |
| 16:13.12 | |Kev| | The student in question 'got it' a couple of weeks before the end of the project, and I was really upset to fail them. |
| 16:13.41 | |Kev| | But by that point they'd spent so long achieving nothing that it was hard to pass them. |
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| 16:15.56 | Crix- | thanks for all the input! |
| 16:16.39 | |Kev| | Crix-: it's not 'too eager',btw. |
| 16:16.46 | |Kev| | It's "not talking things through" |
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| 16:22.14 | tml_ | what does "socghop" stand for btw? |
| 16:22.53 | tml_ | probably not summer of code google house of pancakes |
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| 16:23.53 | srajbr | summer of code google hosted open source |
| 16:24.03 | Dark_Shikari | tml_: lol |
| 16:24.10 | srajbr | open project |
| 16:24.11 | Dark_Shikari | google should totally start a breakfast chain |
| 16:24.13 | Mek | Summer of Code - Google Highly Open Participiptation context (ghop == for highschool students) |
| 16:24.22 | Mek | (without the typos :) ) |
| 16:24.29 | Dark_Shikari | partitipiptation, lol |
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| 16:24.50 | Catfish_Man | I'm getting pancakes in about 10-15 minutes |
| 16:25.21 | Catfish_Man | these pancakes :D http://www.flickr.com/photos/cipherswarm/3672471968/ |
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| 16:25.47 | tml_ | drools |
| 16:26.28 | Ian_Corne | I just burned my lasagna :( |
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| 16:27.56 | |Kev| | I just had a piece of Toblerone. |
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| 16:28.07 | |Kev| | I'm not sure when this became the food channel, but I'm all in favour :) |
| 16:28.28 | thebolt | ah, don't talk of food |
| 16:28.39 | thebolt | i am hungry.. but i have about an hour and a half to commute home before i can eat.. :/ |
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| 17:14.26 | danbri_ | hey i've tried http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 in Chrome and Firefox on OSX today |
| 17:14.32 | danbri_ | both recently installed browsers |
| 17:14.36 | danbri_ | 'Please wait while list is loading' on both |
| 17:14.45 | danbri_ | am yet to see the list, despite trying several times |
| 17:14.57 | danbri_ | has pregenerated html gone out of fashion? :( |
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| 17:15.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | worksforme |
| 17:15.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | besides AJAX is the hype now ;) |
| 17:15.46 | danbri_ | ok it showed up now |
| 17:15.57 | danbri_ | but it really took several visits to the page |
| 17:16.08 | danbri_ | i left it open for an hour or so and it failed before |
| 17:16.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | the server can be very slow at times... |
| 17:16.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | but I've never waited that long, usually if it doesn't load in some 5-10 mins I just hit refresh and it usually helps |
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| 17:29.27 | jacsdev | hi friends |
| 17:29.34 | jacsdev | i'm from venezuela |
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| 17:30.08 | jacsdev | so, whats up with GSoC this year??? |
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| 17:57.42 | anth_x | can someone confirm my reading: did that last ML post actually suggest the student lie to their mentoring org? |
| 17:58.24 | Mek | maybe you should be more specific than "that last ML post"... |
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| 18:01.32 | mmadia | Mek : i'd wager "Re: Can I do GSoC and another internship at the same time?" to the *-discuss ML |
| 18:01.33 | anth_x | sorry. to google-summer-of-code-discuss, about doing another internship at once. |
| 18:01.40 | anth_x | yup, that's the one. |
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| 18:01.59 | anth_x | i'm hoping there's another valid reading. |
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| 18:03.22 | dho | anth_x: I don't think there's another reading. |
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| 18:08.00 | downeym | anth_x: ... |
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| 18:08.51 | smtms | downeym, try English |
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| 18:09.32 | downeym | smtms: The post doesn't warrant english :) |
| 18:09.42 | anth_x | smtms: be nice. |
| 18:09.51 | anth_x | i got the meaning. |
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| 18:17.34 | histemiss | #rtems |
| 18:17.58 | downeym | anth_x: seems s/he was serious per follow-up mails |
| 18:18.42 | anth_x | wow. yeah. |
| 18:19.02 | downeym | makes a note to deny their application :) |
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| 18:19.27 | anth_x | yeah, no doubt. |
| 18:20.03 | dho | doubt it'll be submitted from the same email address. |
| 18:20.09 | Nightrose | can we have a shared "do not under any circumstances take this student" list? |
| 18:20.31 | mmadia | histemiss : it's "/join #channelname" |
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| 18:21.28 | infinity0 | lol can someone paste a link to the email |
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| 18:21.49 | infinity0 | or if it's not on google groups can someone paste it on pastebin? |
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| 18:23.11 | downeym | infinity0: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/3fbab2b54869c33c?hl=en |
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| 18:24.08 | Shaan7 | man this idiot really got what he wanted |
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| 18:24.24 | Nightrose | is impressed with lh's patience |
| 18:24.44 | infinity0 | lol "I am doing this from past 2 years successfully" can we get confirmation on this |
| 18:24.54 | infinity0 | i didn't even know you were allowed to be a student twice |
| 18:24.58 | infinity0 | i just kinda assumed not |
| 18:25.26 | thebolt | that you are.. there are many examples of that |
| 18:25.31 | thebolt | (for same or different organisations) |
| 18:25.37 | Shaan7 | infinity0: thats fine, its allowed till you're a student :) |
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| 18:26.36 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
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| 18:34.38 | schumaml | was this "I'm doing it partial for two years" person an Indian? |
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| 18:34.49 | schumaml | s/partial/succesful/ |
| 18:34.59 | fabiosl | !next |
| 18:34.59 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
| 18:35.48 | Shaan7 | Shaan7: yes |
| 18:35.49 | Shaan7 | schumaml: yes |
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| 18:35.59 | Shaan7 | evil TAB :P |
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| 18:36.45 | schumaml | it's really, really starting to look bad for them :P |
| 18:37.08 | infinity0 | schumaml: seems like that sort of name, see the link |
| 18:37.14 | infinity0 | "bad for them" - indians? who? |
| 18:37.54 | schumaml | there was a quite lengthy discussion yesterday about Indian students and potential fraud |
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| 18:38.29 | infinity0 | ahh |
| 18:38.36 | drt24 | just because a few people from a country are thought to be doing something wrong does not mean that everyone in that country is. |
| 18:38.45 | drt24 | or indeed that the majority are |
| 18:39.03 | schumaml | drt24: no, but how do you prevent people from getting biased? |
| 18:39.12 | drt24 | you get idiots everywhere. |
| 18:39.19 | infinity0 | yes drt24 but here clearly schumaml doesn't mean "most indians are liars" |
| 18:39.24 | drt24 | indeed |
| 18:39.28 | Ivanovic | by directly judging your communication with the student |
| 18:39.50 | Ivanovic | as in: directly communicate with the student and ask questions and look at the questions the student asks |
| 18:39.56 | Ivanovic | simple as that, it does work nicely |
| 18:40.04 | drt24 | but following the discussion yesterday there were indian students who were worried that their applications were going to be looked down on as a result. |
| 18:40.25 | Ivanovic | basically (at least for wesnoth) only those students that are really willing to invest time and try to get an idea of things have a chance to be accepted |
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| 18:40.38 | drt24 | indeed. |
| 18:40.42 | schumaml | and I'm sure this happens, even if it's only subconsciously |
| 18:40.49 | drt24 | anyway, food. |
| 18:40.59 | Ivanovic | and for our applications we do not look at all at the country where the student comes from |
| 18:41.21 | Ivanovic | sure, when pairing the student with a mentor we will look for the timezones to have as much "common irc time" as possible |
| 18:41.26 | Ivanovic | but that's it |
| 18:41.27 | infinity0 | i think the student-per-org number is low enough to not let such a thing happen, drt24 |
| 18:41.37 | tml_ | in go-oo (OpenOffice.org) we have an "exercise" students need to perform and report before they are considered, to show that they can at least download the sources and build the software, and find a certain detail in the code and change it. do other projects have similar? |
| 18:41.52 | infinity0 | on the larger scale i guess gsoc organisations will look into it |
| 18:41.57 | infinity0 | organisers* |
| 18:42.00 | spectie | tml_, we don't require it |
| 18:42.05 | kblin | tml_: we're planning on doing just that this year |
| 18:42.05 | spectie | but we have a tips page |
| 18:42.11 | smtms | building OOo? is that possible? :-) |
| 18:42.12 | spectie | that includes that |
| 18:42.15 | Ivanovic | basically a clear case of "the student has to show us that he has the potential to finish his project", if this is given and we can work with the student things are fine (plus the proposal has to fit) |
| 18:42.29 | spectie | and really, if they can't be bothered to do that then it will show in their application |
| 18:42.44 | kblin | smtms: it shows applicants are interested in the project roughly two weeks before the application process starts |
| 18:42.53 | kblin | smtms: at least if they manage to build it in time ;) |
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| 18:43.01 | Ivanovic | at wesnoth we ask students to get familiar with the area of code they want to work on |
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| 18:43.15 | Ivanovic | we got some easy coding tasks that provide an easier way into our code bas |
| 18:43.16 | Ivanovic | e |
| 18:43.18 | anth_x | we have a pretty easy exercise for prospective students to complete. |
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| 18:43.28 | anth_x | or rather, we propose a few for them to do. |
| 18:43.29 | Ivanovic | and we explicilty ask for patches to add features or fix bugs |
| 18:43.48 | Ivanovic | of course we are around if questions arise and we do review code that we get shown |
| 18:44.12 | kblin | I'm planning to introduce a few bugs into a feature I'll be writing this week-end |
| 18:44.18 | Ivanovic | and no, the tasks are *not* identical for all students, it is just "do something that interests you, just as you would if you already were a 'real' dev with us" |
| 18:44.23 | kblin | I mean, on purpose, for a change |
| 18:44.37 | infinity0 | lol |
| 18:44.46 | Ivanovic | kblin: boring |
| 18:45.00 | Ivanovic | better have them fix bugs right from the bugtracker, this is directly a help for the project |
| 18:45.01 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:45.20 | kblin | Ivanovic: Wombat is so good, we don't have any bugs in the bug tracker |
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| 18:45.37 | Ivanovic | though what i should also mention: at wesnoth the normal procedure to get commit access is to provide two or three non trival patches |
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| 18:45.51 | Ivanovic | then you already have full commit access |
| 18:46.32 | Ivanovic | so in general it is easy to become a "full" wesnoth developer and yes, normally those students that get accepted earn there full commit access before the accepted projects are announced |
| 18:47.26 | Ivanovic | this system works quite nicely for us providing us with some knowledge about the student |
| 18:47.35 | Ivanovic | 1) we do know that the student is able to compile the code |
| 18:47.41 | kblin | Ivanovic: on a more serious note, if I had enough bugs in the bug tracker, I wouldn |
| 18:47.56 | kblin | 't have to bother with putting some in on purpose |
| 18:48.03 | Ivanovic | 2) beside this the student is able to get into the codebase and ask the right questions to get started |
| 18:48.32 | Ivanovic | 3) due to our communications we do know how work with this student "feels like" and if we are comftable with it |
| 18:48.59 | Ivanovic | kblin: with other words: you need some sloppy coders that leave (easy to fix) bugs in your codebase! |
| 18:49.00 | Ivanovic | correct? |
| 18:49.02 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 18:49.52 | xnox | Ivanovic, which project are you from ? |
| 18:49.59 | Ivanovic | wesnoth |
| 18:50.50 | schumaml | I'll never be able to finish a campaign in this game - before I do, my distro will update it and my savegames won't load anymore ;) |
| 18:51.04 | infinity0 | lol you need to file the save files and move them |
| 18:51.06 | Ivanovic | schumaml: uhm, which distro? |
| 18:51.09 | Ivanovic | and how slow do you play? |
| 18:51.18 | infinity0 | find the* |
| 18:51.20 | schumaml | Debian Sid |
| 18:51.34 | infinity0 | yeah dude, just move the same files from ~/.wesnoth1.6 to 1.7 |
| 18:51.40 | infinity0 | save files* dammit |
| 18:51.58 | infinity0 | with any luck there won't be any incompatibilities |
| 18:51.59 | schumaml | I did manage to finish some of the beginner campaigns |
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| 18:52.12 | schumaml | but I usually only play a few hours per month |
| 18:52.41 | smtms | the game is not worth it, if people only play it a few hours a month |
| 18:53.01 | kblin | schumaml: I'd have been concerned if you had said "debian stable" ;) |
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| 18:55.19 | Ivanovic | even in sid there are not many updates |
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| 18:58.29 | Ivanovic | smtms: if people really start to play it, it is again our fault if eg the kde folks are behind their release schedule... |
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| 19:01.11 | kblin | smtms: by that metric, no game is worth it |
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| 19:19.52 | robbyoconnor | anybody from the NY Metropolitan area? |
| 19:20.15 | robbyoconnor | (e.g., within reasonable traveling distance of NYC) |
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| 19:21.30 | anth_x | not residing there, but i'm there about a week every month or two. |
| 19:21.39 | anth_x | grew up in north jersey. |
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| 19:22.05 | robbyoconnor | where bout are you residing? |
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| 19:22.20 | anth_x | cleveland |
| 19:22.41 | robbyoconnor | that's... not even within the metropolitan area |
| 19:22.49 | robbyoconnor | it's hard to plan an event LOL |
| 19:22.54 | anth_x | nope. |
| 19:23.00 | vick1188 | hi |
| 19:23.06 | kblin | hi |
| 19:23.07 | vick1188 | guyz i need small help |
| 19:23.07 | vick1188 | i'm just a new bee to this gsoc sort of projecdt |
| 19:23.12 | anth_x | i saw the post on the ML. i'll crash if i'm nearby, but it doesn't make sense to include me in planning. |
| 19:23.17 | robbyoconnor | read the FAQ vick1188 |
| 19:23.23 | vick1188 | hi kblin |
| 19:23.38 | robbyoconnor | anth_x: kinda using consensus model :) |
| 19:23.42 | vick1188 | yeah i've gone through with that |
| 19:23.49 | robbyoconnor | we used it last time and it worked for the most part |
| 19:24.00 | robbyoconnor | but turn out was *OK* but not great |
| 19:24.08 | robbyoconnor | i *KNOW* there are more students from the area |
| 19:24.21 | infinity0 | tempt them with strippers |
| 19:24.25 | kblin | robbyoconnor: make them an offer they can't refuse |
| 19:24.40 | robbyoconnor | I've banned laptops |
| 19:24.47 | kblin | infinity0: I've got one of those, they're boring |
| 19:24.48 | vick1188 | just need to ask that what the importance and scope of this gsoc all about |
| 19:24.56 | infinity0 | :O but how will geeks socialise without those? |
| 19:25.07 | infinity0 | kblin: yeah but they're HOT :p |
| 19:25.07 | robbyoconnor | infinity0: using their mouths |
| 19:25.15 | kblin | vick1188: importance? what do you mean? |
| 19:25.20 | kblin | infinity0: mine isn't |
| 19:25.24 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: it can land you a job |
| 19:25.30 | kblin | robbyoconnor: bad...mental..image |
| 19:25.32 | infinity0 | lol |
| 19:25.33 | robbyoconnor | the google name in it of itself is useful :P |
| 19:25.34 | vick1188 | sorry for that stupid question |
| 19:25.45 | robbyoconnor | kblin: get your mind out of the gutter perv |
| 19:25.50 | vick1188 | but i need to know plz |
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| 19:26.00 | schumaml | it's not stupid, you got real asnwers |
| 19:26.00 | vick1188 | ok\ |
| 19:26.08 | downeym | cleveland is close to us :) |
| 19:26.09 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: start by typing intelligently: e.g., "please" not "plz" |
| 19:26.19 | anth_x | downeym: where's "us"? |
| 19:26.26 | robbyoconnor | put that in a cover letter and see how fast your resume meets mr. shredder |
| 19:26.27 | kblin | robbyoconnor: seriously, tons of geeks standing around trying to talk to each other... really disturbing |
| 19:26.32 | vick1188 | ok sorry |
| 19:26.48 | robbyoconnor | kblin: that's why we play frisbee! |
| 19:26.49 | robbyoconnor | :D |
| 19:27.07 | vick1188 | :D |
| 19:27.07 | robbyoconnor | I wonder if I could find the dude who brought the microsoft frisbee |
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| 19:27.34 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: the point is to get you involved in Open Source development |
| 19:27.36 | kblin | vick1188: it's not a stupid question, I just don't understand what you mean with importance? |
| 19:27.39 | anth_x | my first thought when you said you were banning laptops was "aw, man, now i need a netbook?" ;-) |
| 19:27.44 | robbyoconnor | and give you real world experience |
| 19:27.44 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 19:28.05 | robbyoconnor | kblin: it forces them to TALK |
| 19:28.21 | schumaml | or get them to play some games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Games |
| 19:28.29 | vick1188 | schumaml: i'm just a new bee to all this unix environment...just having a "L" on my learning LINUX |
| 19:28.38 | robbyoconnor | schumaml: frisbee, soccer, catch |
| 19:28.43 | robbyoconnor | fetch |
| 19:28.49 | robbyoconnor | okay last one was bad |
| 19:28.56 | downeym | anth_x: most of us at OpenMRS are based in indianapolis |
| 19:28.59 | schumaml | robbyoconnor: that |
| 19:29.06 | kblin | infinity0: I'm not quire sure what's hot about "strip - Discard symbols from object files" |
| 19:29.12 | schumaml | 's boring compared to some of the New Games :) |
| 19:29.20 | robbyoconnor | throws a ball and command schumaml to fetch |
| 19:29.22 | robbyoconnor | FETCH |
| 19:29.39 | infinity0 | kblin: DISCARD THE SYMBOLS man! you can see what's underneath!!1! |
| 19:29.39 | robbyoconnor | runs in circles |
| 19:30.06 | robbyoconnor | OMG that's dirty |
| 19:30.19 | robbyoconnor | ...i think I have a dirty mind :'( |
| 19:30.31 | anth_x | downeym: ah, i've got friends much closer to you then. none even remotely techie, though. |
| 19:30.48 | kblin | schumaml: er.. "to encourage people to play non-competitive [games]".. "she organized the first "New Games Tournament"" |
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| 19:31.26 | kblin | a non-competitive tournament? sounds like watching grass grow in slow motion |
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| 19:32.01 | kblin | vick1188: everybody needs to get started at some point |
| 19:32.11 | robbyoconnor | but seriously: Central Park in NYC is BEAUTIFUL :) |
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| 19:32.29 | vick1188 | yeah...now i'm starting and trying hard... |
| 19:33.08 | vick1188 | just going through the gsoc documents ... didn't find that much projects to even send a proposal |
| 19:33.32 | robbyoconnor | you need to look around |
| 19:33.36 | robbyoconnor | what languages do you know? |
| 19:33.55 | robbyoconnor | (You need to know AT LEAST one or two -- a mentor wont be able to teach you one) |
| 19:34.40 | vick1188 | no...i know c and c++...c is pretty good...as i consider my self... c++ is also fine... |
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| 19:37.07 | vick1188 | i just tried to understand the project under C language than i came to know that i really need to polish more... |
| 19:37.15 | robbyoconnor | do you use pidgin? |
| 19:37.17 | vick1188 | so from today i started xchat |
| 19:37.27 | vick1188 | no xchat |
| 19:37.36 | robbyoconnor | what do you use for an IM client? |
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| 19:38.05 | vick1188 | yeah i've pidgin but i rarelly use it |
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| 19:38.23 | vick1188 | why robby??? |
| 19:38.49 | kblin | !canidoit |
| 19:38.49 | socinfo | "canidoit" is Think of it as an iterative learning process. Until the application deadline, you need to learn enough to convince people that you can learn the minimum to get started by the beginning of the summer, and you can learn enough to finish the project by the end of the summer |
| 19:39.01 | kblin | vick1188: ^^^ :) |
| 19:39.38 | vick1188 | hey dear...i'm just learning///// |
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| 19:39.47 | vick1188 | don't make funn..... |
| 19:39.56 | vick1188 | :) |
| 19:40.14 | thiago_home | we're not |
| 19:40.25 | thiago_home | but you're right on time to start interacting with the community |
| 19:40.34 | thiago_home | pick one, get their source code and start playing with it |
| 19:40.39 | kblin | I'm not making fun of you. I found this to be a really good piece of advice |
| 19:40.50 | vick1188 | which one |
| 19:40.58 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: pidgin |
| 19:41.00 | robbyoconnor | it's in C |
| 19:41.05 | vick1188 | ok it's fine |
| 19:41.14 | vick1188 | pidgin??? |
| 19:41.23 | vick1188 | ok ok |
| 19:41.26 | vick1188 | kool |
| 19:41.41 | kblin | actually I was talking about the factoid from socinfo :) |
| 19:41.46 | robbyoconnor | I know |
| 19:41.47 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 19:41.54 | vick1188 | i'm just trying to get into the environment to start with |
| 19:42.06 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: you need to be sharp enough to complete your project |
| 19:42.18 | vick1188 | @ least to start sonething from scratch |
| 19:42.27 | vick1188 | ok robby |
| 19:42.31 | robbyoconnor | well you likely wont be starting from scratch |
| 19:42.41 | robbyoconnor | with pidgin you'll be working with an existing codebase likely |
| 19:42.48 | vick1188 | have u send ur proposal to any mentor org |
| 19:42.53 | robbyoconnor | cant yet |
| 19:43.20 | vick1188 | LINUXXXXX sir...LINUXXXX ....it's reallly new to me...i'm just 2-3 months old in ur community |
| 19:43.46 | smtms | there's #gsoc-india I think |
| 19:45.23 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: so? |
| 19:45.31 | infinity0 | vick1188: there are projects which don't have anything to do with linux |
| 19:45.41 | infinity0 | open source isn't just linux :) |
| 19:46.06 | robbyoconnor | vick1188: one requirement i'd say is a MAJOR one: the ability to learn quickly |
| 19:46.33 | vick1188 | yeah tell me more.. |
| 19:46.52 | robbyoconnor | don't bite off more than you can chew |
| 19:46.52 | vick1188 | i'm @ recepting hand |
| 19:47.06 | vick1188 | u tell i'll read |
| 19:47.06 | robbyoconnor | be able to work independently without your mentor handing you tasks |
| 19:47.13 | araujo | vick1188, follow your interest |
| 19:47.16 | robbyoconnor | you define the project plan and work within it |
| 19:47.23 | araujo | vick1188, just pick a field you like and go for it |
| 19:47.26 | robbyoconnor | your mentor is simply there to guide you if you get stuck |
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| 19:53.19 | vick1188 | actually i was having some ideas like optimization of some thing using C language... |
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| 19:53.50 | vick1188 | so can i send them this idea and can work under them , if they accept it |
| 19:54.22 | CiswatiC | then u can contact google directly with your project read the FAQ completely |
| 19:55.10 | tml_ | vick1188: one other advice: some people (like I) get rather annoyed by reading txtspk as "u", or over-use of emoticons or three dots. not necessarily your mentor or project colleagues, but still, taking the effort to write properly is not going to hurt. few people get annoyed by correct language |
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| 19:57.03 | vick1188 | ok i'll write properly.that's what the rule is |
| 19:57.40 | tml_ | it's not a rule, especially not on irc, but it doesn't hurt |
| 19:58.01 | kblin | tml_: I wish it was ;) |
| 19:58.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | +1 for rule :) |
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| 19:58.55 | vick1188 | that means.no unnecessary things. m i right? |
| 19:59.25 | kblin | vick1188: actually it means writing correct english |
| 19:59.37 | kblin | even if that means you write a bit more |
| 19:59.56 | kblin | like "you" instead of "u" |
| 20:00.13 | kblin | or "anyone" instead of "ne1" |
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| 20:01.34 | chx | !seen lh |
| 20:01.34 | socinfo | Error: "seen" is not a valid command. |
| 20:01.38 | chx | d'oh |
| 20:01.52 | kblin | chx: not recently, though |
| 20:01.53 | chx | wow almost two weeks? |
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| 20:02.00 | chx | resorts to email |
| 20:02.20 | kblin | well, more recently than that on email at least |
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| 20:02.32 | chx | hm, maybe others know -- i thought i saw a post of her , like two months ago announcing sort of ghop 2010. cant find it anywhere. am i delusional? |
| 20:02.39 | vick1188 | that ok with me.i'll keep this thing in my mind |
| 20:03.30 | vick1188 | so i was asking about your submissions of the projects? |
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| 20:04.35 | kblin | chx: wrong amount of chocolate, I assume |
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| 20:04.52 | chx | hehh |
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| 20:06.34 | kblin | chx: if there was anything current on ghop, I'd expect http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/ to show it |
| 20:07.28 | chx | this was somethin more sneaky like "test melanage because we will use it for ghop this year' but i tried to find it on melange lists and cant |
| 20:07.36 | kblin | not that I'm participating in any project that'd be suitable for ghop, I think |
| 20:07.57 | kblin | chx: something like http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2009/09/ghop-20092010-planning.html ? |
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| 20:08.21 | chx | that did not happen if i am not mistaken |
| 20:10.32 | kblin | yeah, because melange is still too buggy ;) |
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| 20:17.15 | vick1188 | hey kblin from where u are |
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| 20:17.38 | kblin | hm? |
| 20:18.54 | vick1188 | ??? what's that??? |
| 20:18.54 | vick1188 | ok no suppresssion |
| 20:19.17 | vick1188 | just asked. |
| 20:19.37 | vick1188 | ok, why you're having green dot in front of your name in the channel |
| 20:19.49 | Catfish_Man | that means he's an op |
| 20:19.55 | Catfish_Man | i.e. can kick or ban people |
| 20:20.07 | sreich | or give out free hugs |
| 20:20.12 | sreich | whichever he is in the mood for |
| 20:20.18 | Catfish_Man | free hugs only requires +v, not +o ;) |
| 20:20.35 | sreich | the hugs are more powerful that way |
| 20:20.44 | sreich | ;) |
| 20:20.44 | vick1188 | op means? |
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| 20:20.48 | sreich | operator |
| 20:21.33 | vick1188 | ok |
| 20:21.44 | robbyoconnor | gives an unauthorized free hug and steals vick1188's wallet |
| 20:21.50 | straydawg | haha |
| 20:22.02 | vick1188 | like you're also having |
| 20:22.02 | straydawg | sets up sign "free hugs here!" |
| 20:22.13 | robbyoconnor | you want my wallet? |
| 20:22.21 | robbyoconnor | jokes on you i dont keep it in my back pocket! |
| 20:22.40 | vick1188 | from where they get this authority, don't kick me for this question. |
| 20:23.08 | vick1188 | wooo....now what was that??? |
| 20:23.09 | vick1188 | i didn't understand... |
| 20:23.39 | vick1188 | hey common tell me that thing tooo |
| 20:23.39 | vick1188 | what was that, infact? |
| 20:23.52 | comodo | vick1188: what thing exactly? |
| 20:24.08 | kblin | vick1188: if you want to find out where I'm from, you could just use google :) |
| 20:24.33 | Catfish_Man | vick1188: sorry, but I don't think your english is good enough for most people to understand what your question is |
| 20:24.36 | vick1188 | i got that sir. |
| 20:24.55 | comodo | kblin: you work on the samba project? |
| 20:24.56 | vick1188 | no i was just taking it lightly. |
| 20:25.46 | vick1188 | i was asking about the giving hugs and stealing the wallet. as robby do with me |
| 20:25.49 | kblin | comodo: yeah |
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| 20:26.00 | kblin | comodo: that you can tell by using /whois :) |
| 20:26.20 | comodo | kblin: that's what I did :) |
| 20:26.31 | comodo | just asking out of courtesy, really. |
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| 20:28.10 | comodo | kblin: pm |
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| 20:28.34 | vick1188 | ok sir.thank you for replying for my head banging questions and your generous patience .now i'm leaving. bye |
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| 20:30.36 | kblin | I don't know what bothers me more.. being "sir"ed for no reason or the funny whitespaces around the dots |
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| 20:32.23 | MattJ | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 not loading :( |
| 20:32.51 | thebolt | kblin: heh.. well, i have some people who tend to "sir" me always (even though they are older than I am).. and I am always a bit uneasy when you are greeted with "sir" when being in US or so.. I don't feel like one :P |
| 20:33.08 | |Kev| | MattJ: someone else had that problem earlier. |
| 20:33.13 | MattJ | Yes, they did |
| 20:33.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | MattJ: try again |
| 20:33.17 | MattJ | I told them it worked fine here :) |
| 20:33.20 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 20:33.27 | |Kev| | Works for me, after a minute or two. |
| 20:33.35 | |Kev| | Have you tried rebooting your Internet? |
| 20:33.35 | MattJ | I've been waiting 5 minutes |
| 20:33.40 | MattJ | I'll try that next |
| 20:33.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | MattJ: cancel load and realod |
| 20:34.04 | |Kev| | Maybe you've got too many zeros in your bitstream. |
| 20:34.10 | MattJ | Otherwise I might send my Internet to the recycle bin and get a new one |
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| 20:35.22 | MattJ | New browser instance worked |
| 20:35.29 | MattJ | I guess a request got stuck |
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| 20:39.24 | kblin | MattJ: maybe you only got the demo version of the internet in the other browser? |
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