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00:27.45 | fatos | do you have to really know about the project you choose or can you just apply because ur interested in it... and want to start learning by doing it. |
00:28.10 | fatos | will mentors consider that ! |
00:29.00 | shuffle2 | i'd say it depends on the mentor/org/etc |
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00:29.48 | fatos | that means that u have to be careful on what projects u apply ... |
00:30.58 | shuffle2 | you shouldn't apply to something you're not interested in anyways |
00:32.35 | fatos | ok im interested in neural networks and their implementation to face detection but im complete beginner when it comes to doing something in that field |
00:32.50 | fatos | if im gonna do something im gonna have to start from the basics |
00:35.32 | fatos | im also interested in agent technology and parallel computing but i dont have any strong technical knowledge about these fields |
00:37.36 | infinity0 | fatos: have a look at the list of mentoring organisations |
00:37.37 | infinity0 | !list |
00:37.38 | socinfo | "list" is http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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00:43.43 | r0bby|android | Crfap |
00:43.53 | r0bby|android | Lost my app :( |
00:46.54 | fatos | i know how that feels... |
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00:48.13 | nico_le_terrible | I don't really understand... |
00:48.26 | nico_le_terrible | We must have finish for the 16 july ? |
00:49.43 | shuffle2 | lost your app? |
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00:50.36 | magsol | ^ on that note, my laptop went into kernel panic 2/3 of the way through a gsoc application -_- |
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00:51.11 | MatthewWilkes | magsol: FTR, you can edit it after submitting |
00:51.18 | MatthewWilkes | submit early, submit often |
00:51.25 | magsol | even when incomplete? |
00:52.00 | MatthewWilkes | Sure |
00:52.10 | MatthewWilkes | as long as you've got something in every required field |
00:52.24 | magsol | gotcha |
00:52.27 | magsol | good to know, thanks :) |
00:53.13 | nico_le_terrible | and for my question ? :$ |
00:53.52 | nico_le_terrible | in the timeline, I understand that we must have something who work on the july 16, and after debugging it, doing docs, etc... |
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00:59.23 | fatos | damn this list is too big.... they should have done some filtering options based on areas of research |
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01:01.09 | nico_le_terrible | or you should have search before :p |
01:01.31 | fatos | yeah i woke up late i guess |
01:01.45 | fatos | i heard just two days ago about GSoC |
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01:01.57 | fatos | never heard about it before |
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01:02.22 | fatos | this world contains so much treasure that we don't know about |
01:06.50 | nico_le_terrible | Why we'd like you to do this project: |
01:07.02 | nico_le_terrible | only an american can answer it properly :p |
01:07.32 | nico_le_terrible | we never answer question like this in europe :p |
01:09.01 | fatos | ??? |
01:10.22 | nico_le_terrible | We don't like say that we're good |
01:10.33 | nico_le_terrible | it's a fake modesty |
01:10.36 | JayJaymires | You're not expected to answer why you want to do something ? |
01:11.29 | nico_le_terrible | Why'd you like to to do this project |
01:11.35 | nico_le_terrible | Why we'd like you to do this project: |
01:11.40 | nico_le_terrible | it's not the same :p |
01:12.34 | JayJaymires | Oh yeah I didn't catch that but it's the same as an application just more blunt |
01:13.25 | fatos | well you have to consider the profit gained by both sides you and the company |
01:13.28 | nico_le_terrible | If I do the work the company gain a profit :p |
01:13.55 | JayJaymires | Ultimately they're giving you the chance to break away from the pack and tell them why it should be you that is picked |
01:15.10 | nico_le_terrible | I understand but it's difficult to a french guy |
01:15.45 | fatos | im really curious about this now... why is that the case nico !? |
01:16.12 | nico_le_terrible | because in our culture speak about us in a good way, it's juged a little ridiculous |
01:16.26 | MatthewWilkes | fatos: Simple cultural differences |
01:16.46 | MatthewWilkes | If you ask "How good are you at Python" a US-born person might say "I'm great, I've done x, y, z" |
01:16.48 | fatos | i know matthew i wanted her to define the difference |
01:17.01 | MatthewWilkes | A brit might say "I've got some experience, I've done x, y, z" |
01:17.30 | nico_le_terrible | yeah MatthewWilkes ;) |
01:17.59 | MatthewWilkes | To us the US version sounds arrogant, to a USian our version sounds like it lacks confidence |
01:19.49 | JayJaymires | I don't think they're asking you to say you're great theyre asking what qualifies you for the position over other applicants |
01:20.14 | jenred | ah a U.S. Male might say "I'm great..." ;> We women are usually not quite so in your face...sometimes to our deteriment |
01:20.33 | jenred | detriment |
01:21.02 | nico_le_terrible | JayJaymires: there is the same problems :p |
01:21.13 | jenred | nico_le_terrible they could also be asking why you are interested in the project - have you always loved programming? |
01:21.18 | jenred | that sort of thing |
01:21.30 | jenred | that's why we ask that question |
01:21.46 | nico_le_terrible | ok |
01:23.37 | fatos | and u also have to consider the fact that many organizations are not from US so you might feel a little safe |
01:23.52 | nico_le_terrible | yeah it's not a problem :p |
01:24.07 | nico_le_terrible | I just want discuss about it :p |
01:24.32 | nico_le_terrible | because I find it interessant to see difference between cultures |
01:24.53 | nico_le_terrible | You don't see how you are about it |
01:24.59 | nico_le_terrible | and we don't see how we are about it |
01:25.36 | nico_le_terrible | I have been aware about this (arogant vs lacks confidence) when an American is come to our school and talk us about it |
01:25.52 | JayJaymires | I think many people in each country would respond very different to that question |
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01:29.04 | fatos | i think we should invite Sigmund Freud in this conversation ... |
01:29.20 | nico_le_terrible | why not, it should be interesting :p |
01:29.54 | JayJaymires | haha |
01:30.17 | fatos | but first you have to make a program to link to the other world because that's the only way u can reach him |
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01:30.48 | fatos | and you can do that as your google project |
01:31.49 | JayJaymires | I did that once |
01:31.57 | JayJaymires | :) |
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01:33.14 | JayJaymires | What projects are you all interested in? |
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01:34.12 | bawr | Python and distributed comuting here. |
01:34.15 | fatos | ive got so much in my head that i cant think of which one to choose problem choose the one which seems more sensible considering my current capacity |
01:35.38 | fatos | quantum cryptography :P |
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01:37.11 | bawr | That's more on the hardware side of things. :) |
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01:37.38 | fatos | not excactly... |
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01:38.55 | JayJaymires | That's pretty advanced right? |
01:40.16 | fatos | it exploits the principles of quantum mechanics to create quantum algorithms which are much more efficient and much more faster than 'classical algorithms' |
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01:41.19 | JayJaymires | You must have a solid physics background |
01:42.12 | fatos | actually it's just what i read in books about quantum mechanics because i find it very interesting |
01:43.17 | fatos | and i think that's the peak of computing |
01:43.25 | fatos | quantum computing |
01:44.39 | fatos | i dont know if there is any projects related to that |
01:44.47 | nico_le_terrible | what's your level fatos ? |
01:45.02 | fatos | what do u mean !? |
01:45.28 | nico_le_terrible | grade ? |
01:45.29 | fatos | academically, im 1st year undergraduate |
01:45.54 | nico_le_terrible | because it seems really difficult subject :p |
01:46.32 | fatos | well if you read about it , it's not that difficult |
01:46.38 | nico_le_terrible | heu |
01:46.51 | nico_le_terrible | quantum mechanics, is not an easy subject :p |
01:47.01 | nico_le_terrible | do you study it a little in school ? |
01:47.10 | fatos | nope |
01:47.22 | fatos | i just read about it by myself |
01:47.27 | nico_le_terrible | :s |
01:47.34 | fatos | but i wouldnt call any of my reads - studying |
01:47.45 | fatos | but i would like to study it |
01:47.49 | nico_le_terrible | ok |
01:48.00 | nico_le_terrible | and in what are you studying ? |
01:48.06 | fatos | computer science |
01:48.10 | nico_le_terrible | xD |
01:48.50 | fatos | what do u study !? |
01:49.17 | nico_le_terrible | computer science too :p |
01:49.24 | fatos | nice :) |
01:49.58 | nico_le_terrible | but quantum mechanics are pure physics |
01:50.02 | nico_le_terrible | and mathematics |
01:50.25 | nico_le_terrible | our study in computer science cannot help us to understand that |
01:51.06 | fatos | well computer hardware are made based on the principles of physics too |
01:51.11 | fatos | but you still study computer science |
01:51.18 | fatos | because you deal with software |
01:51.50 | fatos | and quantum cryptography is one of the areas of quantum computing that can be considered as software |
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01:52.09 | nico_le_terrible | but you need a solid bases in physics and mathematics |
01:53.21 | fatos | well you need mathematics now for computer science too |
01:53.27 | nico_le_terrible | not the same ;) |
01:53.53 | JayJaymires | Crytopgraphy is pretty advanced in general |
01:54.00 | nico_le_terrible | yeah |
01:54.15 | nico_le_terrible | and mathematics in cryptography and mathematics for quantum mechanics are not the same too :p |
01:54.35 | JayJaymires | It's definately a very demanding area |
01:54.38 | fatos | well mathematics in quantum cryptography is one mathematics |
01:54.41 | JayJaymires | definitely * |
01:54.43 | JayJaymires | blah |
01:54.47 | fatos | and if im going to study that that ill study that |
01:54.48 | nico_le_terrible | yeah JayJaymires |
01:55.05 | JayJaymires | fatos where are you? |
01:55.20 | fatos | im in two places at the same time :P |
01:55.43 | JayJaymires | haha |
01:55.49 | JayJaymires | I meant country? |
01:55.54 | fatos | UK |
01:57.36 | JayJaymires | Perhaps you should look at the ESA's projects |
01:58.05 | JayJaymires | If it's not on their ideas page check their website for ongoing projects and maybe apply to work with that project |
01:58.22 | fatos | European Space Agency !? |
01:58.26 | JayJaymires | Yeah |
01:58.37 | MatthewWilkes | fatos: Shouldn't you be in bed? It's 3am :P |
01:58.49 | JayJaymires | http://www.esa.int/gsp/ACT/about.htm |
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01:59.08 | fatos | yeah i know , when something exciting like GSoC comes i cant sleep |
01:59.13 | nico_le_terrible | 4 am |
01:59.15 | JayJaymires | haha |
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01:59.44 | JayJaymires | I was up that late last night |
01:59.59 | dixonmm | Haha ill probably be up that late tonight! |
02:00.02 | fatos | last night i stayd until 6 am and slept only 2 hours |
02:00.08 | dixonmm | so much research to do and so little time! |
02:00.18 | fatos | i was writing a broing essay on linguistic nativisim |
02:00.19 | MatthewWilkes | It's funny because we're all doing it. |
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02:00.46 | MatthewWilkes | fatos: That doesn't sound boring at all! |
02:00.50 | JayJaymires | Right I wish it was longer |
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02:01.01 | dixonmm | I wish they posted the accepted projects sooner |
02:01.14 | fatos | i dont i just couldnt get myself to enjoy it maybe my brain cells where numb |
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02:01.28 | MatthewWilkes | fatos: May I ask what uni you're at? |
02:01.32 | dixonmm | its crazy how much is out there and just trying to find something that your qualified for is like finding a needle in a hay-stack |
02:01.45 | fatos | Kings College London |
02:02.07 | JayJaymires | It is sort of chaotic I must agree |
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02:09.37 | nico_le_terrible | bye all |
02:09.47 | fatos | bye nico |
02:09.51 | fatos | good luck |
02:10.00 | nico_le_terrible | you too :p |
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02:21.26 | fatos | bye all from me... and good luck with you work |
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02:25.38 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline |
02:25.38 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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02:37.25 | barbi | Do i get to specify preference of organizations when applying to multiple organizations? |
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02:38.11 | MatthewWilkes | barbi: By talking to them |
02:38.38 | arma | barbi: if you are lucky enough to be wanted by multiple orgs, there will be a conflict resolution step later, where everybody works it out such that you're happy. |
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02:51.06 | hugo_br | MatthewWilkes, you said to submit the application early and often, right?! If I click on submit, what happens? the org receives my app and then I can edit that? |
02:51.16 | MatthewWilkes | hugo_br: Yes |
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02:51.22 | hugo_br | thanks |
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02:57.31 | iammisc | I'm trying to register for GSoC as a student, but I don't have any one specific uni right now (it could be one of three). But on the registration sheet, they want to know exactly which one. what should I do? |
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04:00.38 | Ionic_Groove | Did the deadline for student applications change or was it always April 9th? |
04:01.19 | jcreigh | Ionic_Groove: AFAIK, it has always been April 9th. |
04:01.26 | MatthewWilkes | scgtrp: This might sound weird, but has anyone ever told you a recursive bedtime story? |
04:01.37 | MatthewWilkes | was reading the qdb earlier, nick looks very familiar |
04:01.42 | scgtrp | MatthewWilkes: yes |
04:01.51 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
04:01.57 | MatthewWilkes | bad sign that I recognised that! |
04:02.12 | scgtrp | hehe |
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04:05.22 | Ionic_Groove | Oh, for some reason I thought it was the third. |
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05:04.57 | iammisc | can i make a proposal to more than one mentoring organization? |
05:05.44 | Catfish_Man | yes |
05:05.47 | SukhE | Yes. You can sumbit up to 20 proposals. |
05:06.04 | SukhE | (Though don't) |
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05:09.42 | iammisc | do i rank proposals? what if both are accepted? |
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05:11.47 | skbohra_ | !logs |
05:11.47 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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05:13.54 | pogo11 | iammisc: I was asking myself the same question, I found http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c271e440d78c871a# |
05:14.00 | iammisc | k cool |
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05:14.47 | pogo11 | I'm still curious if you get any more info, because I have one prefered choice, and another one that would still be interesting, but I don't know if I should apply for my second one or not... |
05:15.11 | JayJaymires | You should apply for all that interest you |
05:15.31 | JayJaymires | If by some chance two projects do select you there will be ways to deal with it |
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05:15.38 | pogo11 | And worst case scenario, you get your second choice? |
05:16.18 | JayJaymires | Exactly It's better to be wanted by 2 then not wanted because you held back |
05:16.31 | pogo11 | Other question: is it seen as something bad to apply for more than one organization? Won't they think that you're not REALLY interested? |
05:16.47 | skbohra_ | pogo11: not exactly i think |
05:16.58 | JayJaymires | No, They realize you're a student and that's why you can apply to so many |
05:17.03 | dixonmm | IMHO it means your more ambitious |
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05:17.28 | JayJaymires | Just put forth the effort and make sure you show them you took the time to understand the project and present your proposal in the right way |
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05:18.14 | JayJaymires | Be sure to talk with the projects through IRC or message boards or email |
05:18.35 | JayJaymires | They're really helpful themselves |
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05:19.18 | pogo11 | Ok sure I will. But in my proposal, I'm describing reasons why I picked THIS particular project... So I kinda feel that if organization A reads why I picked organization B and vice-versa, they might think I'm full of it |
05:19.19 | iammisc | yeah |
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05:26.25 | patrick42h | hello |
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05:37.48 | patrick42h | what is a project proposal supposed to look like? |
05:38.04 | patrick42h | i was not able to find a specific description |
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05:39.09 | patrick42h | btw, i'm an undergrad trying to get into GSOC |
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05:41.21 | MatthewWilkes | patrick42h: Most organisations have a template they like you to fill in |
05:42.30 | tgalal | I don't understand the mentors part. Do I find and choose a mentor for my proposed project, or a mentor selects the project. And what's the role of mentor? |
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05:45.45 | patrick42h | thanks MatthewWilkes |
05:46.22 | pogo11 | When you submit the proposal, you have a choice to make it public or not |
05:46.27 | pogo11 | What does it do exactly? |
05:46.47 | pogo11 | Do the mentoring organizations have access to your proposal if you didn't make it public? |
05:47.06 | pogo11 | Do you have to check that box so that your application actually goes throught? |
05:47.28 | Catfish_Man | no it means any student or mentor can see it |
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05:50.02 | anddam | hello |
05:51.25 | dixonmm | howdy |
05:55.05 | tgalal | do I have to find mentors myself for my projects? |
05:55.15 | scgtrp | no, the organization selects them |
05:55.42 | tgalal | ok thanks |
06:06.45 | patrick42h | is it okay to apply if a project seems beyond my current skill level? |
06:07.04 | patrick42h | many of the project ideas seem pretty advances but exciting |
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06:08.21 | kblin | ls |
06:08.25 | kblin | dammit |
06:08.28 | kblin | too early |
06:08.33 | kblin | morning btw |
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06:14.23 | anddam | well not _too_ early |
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06:18.19 | rman | !next |
06:18.19 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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06:38.22 | kblin | hehe, using lzma to compress a couple of gigs worth of blast databases is a tad slow :) |
06:39.11 | Dark_Shikari | hah, lzma, slow? try paq8 ;) |
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06:41.04 | ojwb | uses rot13 for fast compression - it doesn't often compress by much, but it's quick |
06:41.56 | kblin | ojwb: hm, I actually rather spend the time on compressing than on waiting for that stuff to download to my home pc |
06:43.50 | kblin | ah, shoot, I thought my beagleboard was fixed by adding that cap, but it doesn't seem to have helped much :/ |
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07:08.19 | DNil | hi all. i have a question about application dates. suppose if i submit an application today with the abstract of the project & if i decide to add my implementational details later , then do i hav to do it within april 9? or is it allowed to do so upto april 20, including the interim period? |
07:08.36 | dhaun | !edit |
07:08.36 | socinfo | "edit" is You can submit your application in early and edit it up until the deadline. Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
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07:08.56 | dhaun | heh, doesn't mention the date - you can edit it until April 9 |
07:09.15 | dhaun | after that, you can only leave comments |
07:09.44 | DNil | ok.that helps. thanks a lot. |
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07:14.20 | shreyas | any eg propasals out there, so i get some ides |
07:14.23 | shreyas | idea* |
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07:16.41 | dhaun | search and ye shall find :) |
07:17.04 | dhaun | Drupal has some guidelines and a sample here: http://drupal.org/node/756878 |
07:17.29 | dhaun | but check with what your org expects from you |
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08:18.51 | patrick42h | hello people |
08:19.19 | patrick42h | i am still very unclear on how to apply |
08:19.27 | patrick42h | i would like to apply to work with git |
08:19.41 | patrick42h | but i cannot find any explicit instructions on the SOC or git sites |
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08:22.11 | dhaun | what exactly is not clear? |
08:22.44 | dhaun | "Full instructions for submitting your application can be found in our http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide." - that's the second sentence on the GSoC homepage, with a helpful link to the user's guide ... |
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11:15.26 | gnathan87 | hi, question to clarify something... unfortunately GSoC this year runs over the end of my term, so I'm not going to be able to submit a proposal this year. Next year I'll be taking a gap year for a couple of reasons, and hence not formally enrolled on a course, but should have a place to resume studies at a university the year after. Will I be eligible to apply next year? |
11:17.14 | kpreid | gnathan87: overlapping with classes doesn't mean you're not allowed to this year |
11:17.49 | gnathan87 | kpreid: it's the other way round unfortuantely - I'll need to be here to finish writing up and submit my masters project. |
11:18.05 | gnathan87 | probably won't have enough time to do anything else simultaneously. |
11:18.20 | kpreid | ah, I see, you're working this summer as opposed to just having a few days |
11:18.28 | gnathan87 | yeah |
11:19.32 | kpreid | anyway, the question is whether the university considers you a enrolled/accepted at that time, not whether you're *taking classes*. |
11:19.50 | skbohra | you need to produce a proof of enrollment |
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11:20.57 | OliJG | How do you "produce" such proof? Scan your student card? |
11:21.07 | gnathan87 | ah, ok, I wasn't sure what "enrolled" formally meant, I should be able to provide proof of acceptance, though |
11:21.26 | infinity0 | scanned documents are fine yes |
11:21.37 | infinity0 | there's more details on the website iirc |
11:21.47 | bawr | OliJG: The FAQ covers this. Basically that, or a transcript card. Doesn't have to be *the* official paper from your university. |
11:22.32 | OliJG | Oh, while I'm at it... I don't have an internationally accessible phone # |
11:23.03 | OliJG | I sent in google's example number since it was required... but will I really be rejected unless I have what amounts to a land line? |
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11:23.46 | ojwb | OliJG: I think they want a way to contact you if you disappear totally |
11:23.54 | bawr | Wait, what. Cell phones are internationally accessible too, aren't they? (And as long as you're clear about it, shouldn't be a problem.) |
11:24.06 | anirvana | I am getting this error while submitting my gsoc proposal :"malformed start tag, at line 44, column 40".Can anyone help me out? |
11:24.42 | ojwb | OliJG: so a number for your parents or some relative will probably do, but it might be best to check |
11:24.55 | bawr | Ask in #melange. Try disabling TinyMCE, that could help, and check if you're HTML is not, in fact, malformed. |
11:25.05 | OliJG | ojwb: Check where? They didn't give me any place to leave nots on the application form? |
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11:25.14 | ojwb | OliJG: by email... |
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11:25.29 | anirvana | nobody responded at #melange :( |
11:25.40 | ojwb | or ask carols if she's on here when you are |
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11:26.08 | bawr | anirvana: Try my other suggestions. :) |
11:26.40 | OliJG | I'm picturing a disconnection between the recipient of my email and the one who looks over the applications |
11:26.47 | anirvana | bawr : How to disable TinyMCE? |
11:26.55 | OliJG | but I guess I'll just do what I can |
11:27.02 | bawr | anirvana: There's an option on your profile page. |
11:27.03 | ojwb | OliJG: the gsoc team is one full-time person |
11:27.21 | bawr | anirvana: In the place where you could change your name. |
11:27.22 | OliJG | goes to look for the email |
11:27.23 | ojwb | and a few others on their 20% time |
11:27.27 | ojwb | at least AIUI |
11:27.34 | anirvana | ok |
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11:28.27 | ojwb | OliJG: carols at google dot com |
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11:29.08 | OliJG | thanks |
11:30.24 | anirvana | bawr : Are you sure there is any such option on profile page?I can't find it! |
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11:31.02 | dhaun | anirvana: User (self) > Edit Profile > Disable tinymce |
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11:39.33 | Waren | yo |
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11:40.08 | skbohra | !timeline |
11:40.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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12:15.51 | drecute | can googleapp projects be submitted to gsoc? |
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12:22.39 | mlankhorst | drecute: Only existing projects, not new ones |
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12:23.47 | drecute | mlankhorst: do u mean existing googleapp projects that can be extended? |
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12:26.30 | mlankhorst | !faq > drecute |
12:26.30 | socinfo | Error: "faq" is not a valid command. |
12:26.33 | mlankhorst | !faq |
12:26.34 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
12:28.04 | drecute | mlankhorst: i couldn't see anything related to my question in the faq, so i decided to come here |
12:29.11 | mlankhorst | drecute: You need to participate with an existing organization |
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12:31.08 | drecute | mlankhorst: but i aint a student. My question is related to my organization as a mentoring organization |
12:31.38 | mlankhorst | Ow in that way |
12:32.44 | mlankhorst | if its useful to ha |
12:32.51 | Upthorn | drecute: mentoring organization applications are closed for this year. They were open from March 8 to March 12 |
12:33.18 | mlankhorst | i think he means one of the students applied with a proposal to write a googleapp |
12:33.46 | Upthorn | Oh |
12:33.54 | Upthorn | huh. |
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12:34.24 | ajuonline | any networking experts here, o.O |
12:34.39 | ajuonline | is trying to setup his home networking with Wall mount of RJ45 |
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12:34.43 | drecute | Upthorn: i know it is closed |
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12:34.58 | drecute | Upthorn: but wouldn't it be better if i get informed |
12:35.15 | drecute | Upthorn: so that we can be prepared for upcoming years |
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12:35.38 | mlankhorst | I dont think that it would be explicitly excluded |
12:36.01 | Upthorn | there is a requirement that all projects be free and open source |
12:36.52 | Upthorn | but I think you have to really make a good case as to why your organization should be allowed to participate |
12:37.06 | anirvana | bawr , dhaun : even disabling tinymce doesn't help |
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12:37.32 | drecute | Upthorn: yea, we'll think that through |
12:37.52 | drecute | Upthorn: but i'm glad it's possible |
12:38.36 | Upthorn | and if no student applies for your organization, there is a good chance that it will not be accepted a second time. |
12:39.24 | drecute | Upthorn: since my organization has gone google, more custom app requests has been the order of the day |
12:39.36 | drecute | Upthorn: we hope they will |
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12:40.13 | mlankhorst | <PROTECTED> |
12:40.24 | mlankhorst | well see |
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12:42.43 | mlankhorst | drecute: what organization though? |
12:43.14 | drecute | mlankhorst: it's a technology company |
12:43.37 | mlankhorst | I just want a name |
12:43.45 | drecute | mlankhorst: ah |
12:43.51 | drecute | mlankhorst: opevel |
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12:44.31 | drecute | mlankhorst: www.opevel.com |
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12:46.57 | x` | so what is the usual choice for the public name? are most of you going with First Last? |
12:47.05 | x` | or some pseudonym |
12:49.42 | ajuonline | i use my irc name |
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12:51.04 | mlankhorst | drecute: probably not a good match :) |
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12:51.37 | drecute | mlankhorst: how do u mean |
12:51.55 | drecute | mlankhorst: that we might not get through? |
12:52.46 | mlankhorst | yeah, it's for open source projects, for example www.kernel.org , not that you have some cheap labor working for you |
12:53.08 | mlankhorst | there has to be a community |
12:53.47 | drecute | mlankhorst: u are jugding the whole thing just by a link |
12:54.23 | drecute | mlankhorst: we have a community project running under opevel |
12:54.24 | yf_ | when I kick accepting applications in website http://socghop.appspot.com/site/home/site I receive an error as: "You cannot become a Student because you are already participating in this program". |
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12:54.44 | mlankhorst | drecute: link that then, here it just seems like a consulting company |
12:55.02 | drecute | mlankhorst: yea |
12:55.14 | kblin | yf_: did you already sign up as a student? |
12:55.22 | mlankhorst | and that's not what gsoc is for :) |
12:55.33 | drecute | mlankhorst: i'll do that, but not now. I'm here to get all the info i need |
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12:55.51 | drecute | mlankhorst: and i'm glad u are here to help |
12:56.04 | bawr | It's better to read the FAQ to get all the info you need. Just saying. :) |
12:56.13 | kblin | x`: I use my real name |
12:56.33 | bawr | x`: Real name here. |
12:56.50 | kblin | yf_: please don't msg me if this is stuff that can be discussed in the channel |
12:57.04 | x` | kblin, bawr, that's what i went with, thanks |
12:57.33 | ajuonline | argh. this jack doesnt have colour combinations. cant figure out which one is pin #1 |
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12:59.49 | kblin | yf_: you're still using msg |
13:00.27 | kblin | yf_: anyway, if you already signed up as a student, you should be able to apply for projects |
13:01.14 | codestasher | kai == kblin , right ? |
13:01.34 | ajuonline | right |
13:01.34 | mlankhorst | he is |
13:01.38 | kblin | codestasher: yeah, just that kai is my irc client at work that I forgot to shut down :) |
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13:02.36 | codestasher | yeah, you already told me that |
13:02.45 | codestasher | i was cross checking ) |
13:02.47 | codestasher | :) |
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13:03.36 | mlankhorst | drecute: also, 'open 2 more business' the 2 was the first thing I looked at when I saw that site ;) |
13:04.09 | drecute | mlankhorst: meaning... |
13:04.48 | drecute | mlankhorst: what does it depict to u |
13:04.54 | ajuonline | the wall mount side of the jack is called the female side right/ |
13:04.59 | ajuonline | ? |
13:05.19 | mlankhorst | the hole is female, pin is male, easy to remember |
13:05.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: yes |
13:05.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | mlankhorst: indeed |
13:05.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | that goes for all connectors |
13:06.17 | Wolf_OSGeo | usb, rs-232, Rj-45 etc |
13:06.18 | ajuonline | so I need to swap the wiring? i guess. one end is 568B with RJ45 Jack. the other end comes to my wall mount, which is female |
13:06.50 | ajuonline | http://www.greatsys.com/images/cables/cat5_cross_100_both.gif |
13:06.52 | mlankhorst | ajuonline: I think you should really try www.google.com |
13:07.14 | ajuonline | yea, this wall mount doesnt have labels |
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13:08.20 | ajuonline | just has L1, L2, L3, L4 cant figure out which is pin #1 - 8, |
13:08.21 | ajuonline | nvm. |
13:09.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | leftmost when you look at the jack as it goes into the plug is 1 |
13:09.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIA/EIA-568-B |
13:10.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | just realized it can be the other way araiund, depending on where the clip is |
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13:11.22 | x` | I'm a Slovenian, who is currently in London (month long vacation). Will Google send me anything vital to my mail address in the mean time and should I supply the London mail address? |
13:11.28 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: erm i know. http://twitpic.com/1cufxv this is what i see |
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13:11.47 | ajuonline | the female/wall mount |
13:12.03 | mlankhorst | x`: Well not in the past few years, though you will miss out on the surprise of the yearly starting present :) |
13:13.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: see http://www.ablecables.com.au/568avb.htm |
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13:13.38 | x` | mlankhorst: hhehe, i will use my brother's (he lives with me in Slovenia) genuine excitement as a measure of surprise, for the time being :) |
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13:14.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: looks like you have a lot of choises :S |
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13:15.33 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: honestly, all that i have seen, and know. its just that the wall mount itself, its hard to identify which side is first and which is 1->8 |
13:15.37 | ajuonline | i tried all combinations :P |
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13:15.57 | x` | second q, i am one year away from graduation, and our school system is a bit different than in the US .. should I select undergrad, even though our terminology differs? |
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13:17.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: I feel your pain... |
13:17.45 | muzPayneGSoC | hi guys |
13:17.52 | muzPayneGSoC | is anybody online? |
13:18.28 | dhaun | x`: I *think* those are only for statistics anyway - pick the closest match? |
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13:19.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | muzPayneGSoC: nop, just us bots here :P |
13:19.16 | muzPayneGSoC | ok |
13:19.25 | muzPayneGSoC | i have one question |
13:19.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | muzPayneGSoC: kidding ;) |
13:19.33 | muzPayneGSoC | i know... |
13:19.45 | x` | thanks dhaun, that's what I thought |
13:19.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | !ask |
13:19.53 | socinfo | "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Meta-questions lead to meta-answers and wasted time. |
13:19.55 | muzPayneGSoC | do you post anything other than to GSoC page? |
13:20.11 | muzPayneGSoC | because i want to join some project |
13:20.18 | muzPayneGSoC | and they dont have forum |
13:20.23 | muzPayneGSoC | or irc |
13:20.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | do they have a mailing list? |
13:20.32 | muzPayneGSoC | so i send mail only to mentor |
13:20.34 | muzPayneGSoC | nope |
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13:20.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | and you got no reply? |
13:21.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | how long ago did you send email? Remember that they are probably doing this in their spare time, and it is Easter now |
13:21.29 | x` | dhaun: eh, sorry, I found it in the user's guide for melange now, sorry about that :) |
13:21.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | so they might not be in a possition to reply |
13:22.03 | muzPayneGSoC | yes i know |
13:22.13 | muzPayneGSoC | but student should write an proposal |
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13:22.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | muzPayneGSoC: nothing technical is going to stop you from submitting a proposal |
13:22.49 | muzPayneGSoC | yes, I know, but further talk will be good |
13:22.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | so write te proposal, submit it to Melange and send an email to the mentors asking for feedback |
13:22.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | that's what I'd do |
13:22.59 | muzPayneGSoC | ok and you are students, or mentors, or? |
13:23.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | is a mentor/admin |
13:23.20 | muzPayneGSoC | ok |
13:23.34 | muzPayneGSoC | and Melange is??? |
13:23.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | !melange |
13:23.46 | socinfo | "melange" is http://code.google.com/p/soc/ |
13:24.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | it is the system which runs the soc site |
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13:24.53 | muzPayneGSoC | sure |
13:24.55 | muzPayneGSoC | ok thanks |
13:25.06 | muzPayneGSoC | sorry for stupid questions |
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13:25.25 | muzPayneGSoC | but I was last 2 weeks abroad so I hane no much time left |
13:25.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | muzPayneGSoC: you'd better hurry then! |
13:29.27 | JayJaymires | •Wolf_OSGeo• Which ideas will you be mentoring if you don't mind me asking? |
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13:32.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: it depends. I'm not targetting any specific idea, but my interests in GRASS grass are generalization, cartography and related subjects |
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13:34.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: Also I'm planning on mainly admining, but will mentor if there is something very interesting and/or need |
13:34.23 | JayJaymires | •Wolf_OSGeo• have you mentored previous summers as well? |
13:34.31 | JayJaymires | Ah I see |
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13:34.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: yes, I have mentored from 2007 to 2009 |
13:35.13 | JayJaymires | All your mentees work out well? |
13:35.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | I had two students the first year and one student in 2008 and 2009 |
13:35.23 | hugo_br | does everybody here who sent student applications have detailed the timeline work on project? for example: from day X to day Y I will do Z |
13:35.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | yes they all passed |
13:36.07 | JayJaymires | Hugo I'm planning on creating rough timelines for my proposals |
13:36.17 | Wolf_OSGeo | hugo_br: as a mentor I'm quite ok with on week X i plan to ... |
13:36.21 | Wolf_OSGeo | timelines are good |
13:36.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | but they are only plans |
13:37.08 | JayJaymires | Wolf were the students you mentored pretty knowledgable before the summer? |
13:37.36 | hugo_br | that's because the project I want to participate doesn't have well defined gsoc goals, the mentors said something like: "the student will work with us", like fixing issues, improving win support and etc.. not exactly pre-defined tasks |
13:37.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: knowledgeable about what? GIS? No, but they were pretty good at programming |
13:39.05 | JayJaymires | Ok good the reason I asked is because I'm pretty knowledgable about programing but not so much GIS |
13:39.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | hugo_br: you need to define your goals if you are going to be successful. Doing a bit of this and a bit of that doesn't sound very good :S unless it's like our Zap-a-bug idea |
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13:40.45 | hugo_br | Wolf_OSGeo: thanks. |
13:41.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: Then you need to pick up on what GIS is. At least the basics. |
13:41.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: which idea interests you? |
13:42.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: it also depends a bit on the project/idea. Like our live disk, you don't really need to know what gis is |
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13:44.13 | zubin71 | hey, quite a lot of friends have been asking me, and im not sure either. would it be right to call gsoc a summer intern? |
13:45.05 | JayJaymires | I'm actually interested in several and am pooring over tons of information I only found out about this yesterday unfortunately |
13:45.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | zubin71: Well in a way it is. |
13:45.50 | zubin71 | Wolf_OSGeo: hmm... ok |
13:46.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: ohh well. Let's start at the top. What programming language do you prefer? |
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13:46.59 | JayJaymires | I like Java and C/C++ |
13:47.26 | JayJaymires | but have experience with python and some others including assembly |
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13:47.36 | pygi | JayJaymires, there is no language like C/C++ |
13:47.40 | pygi | please don't call it like that |
13:47.41 | pygi | thank you |
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13:48.19 | JayJaymires | ok |
13:48.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: well. which is your favorite |
13:49.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | when you dream, in what language is that? |
13:49.03 | zubin71 | pygi: there`s this interview with Bjarne Stroustup in which he says the exact same thing; duno if you have read it. :) |
13:49.14 | pygi | zubin71, link me up, I didn't |
13:49.16 | JayJaymires | C++ |
13:49.25 | zubin71 | pygi: just a sec |
13:50.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: well then GDAL and Quantum GIS is what you probably should focus on |
13:50.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: do you like to program midleware or guis more? |
13:51.01 | kblin | ahrg |
13:51.18 | pygi | kblin, woke up one the wrong leg? :D |
13:51.28 | Wolf_OSGeo | kblin: stepped on a lego? |
13:51.31 | JayJaymires | middleware |
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13:52.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: well then GDAL is your friend ;) And possibly GRASS too. Depending on what you want to do |
13:52.10 | kblin | no, trying to get navit to use my marco polo rout planning maps |
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13:52.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | GRASS is C but some modules are C++ |
13:52.31 | kblin | and it's not even pointing north at the moment |
13:52.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | ouch! |
13:52.54 | JayJaymires | I think I must have looked over GDAL |
13:53.07 | kblin | ah, there we go |
13:53.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: well enjoy :D |
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13:53.59 | JayJaymires | Thanks for the direction |
13:54.13 | kblin | meh |
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13:55.09 | zubin71 | pygi: http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/bs_faq.html |
13:55.22 | pygi | thanks zubin71 |
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13:55.45 | zubin71 | pygi: no probs; enjoy the read! |
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13:56.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | JayJaymires: any time. Looking forward to seeing what you pick :) |
13:56.55 | kblin | not good, it crashes when entering an address :/ |
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14:07.28 | kblin | meh |
14:08.46 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, trying to lure people to your org? :D |
14:09.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | pygi: of course! :D |
14:09.48 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, ay ay :D |
14:09.53 | pygi | what fun things do yoou have? :P |
14:10.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | pygi: anything from live disks to web programming to low level algorithm programming |
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14:10.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | we have it all! |
14:10.44 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, share the links so that I don't have to look it up? |
14:10.46 | pygi | I'm being lazy |
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14:11.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | pygi: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010_IdeasQ |
14:11.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010_Ideas |
14:11.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | silly computer added a Q... |
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14:13.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | pygi: when you find something interesting let me know ;) |
14:13.56 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, lemme bug you on PM |
14:13.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | see I'm already assuming he will find interesting stuff :P |
14:14.17 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, do you need cd burning support anywhere? :D |
14:14.39 | Wolf_OSGeo | pygi: possibly |
14:14.39 | siri1 | Hi all..I have one question, Does any org or mentor knows how many proposals the student had made? |
14:14.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | if you have a cool idea we'd like to hear about it |
14:16.29 | dhaun | siri1: no, they don't |
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14:16.40 | dhaun | well, unless you send more than one to the same org :) |
14:17.09 | dhaun | wonders what the sinister plan behind that question is |
14:17.28 | siri1 | dhaun: thank you.. |
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14:17.48 | siri1 | asks as it was new to her |
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14:24.37 | kblin | siri1: you're aware though that it's better to send in two-three good ones than a dozen so-so ones, right? |
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14:30.43 | siri1 | kblin: I heard that it is for introducing new ones to open source, my question can i allot some time for getting acquiantence to community in my timeline? |
14:31.07 | yf_ | hi, when I kick accepting applications in website http://socghop.appspot.com/site/home/site I receive an error as: "You cannot become a Student because you are already participating in this program". |
14:31.21 | siri1 | kblin: will it effect my chance of getting selected?? |
14:31.31 | yf_ | i seem not participating in this program |
14:31.32 | kblin | siri1: that's what the community bonding period is for |
14:31.57 | yf_ | i sign in with my account and password |
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14:35.47 | kblin | yf_: have you filled out the student web form? |
14:36.50 | yf_ | yes, I filled the form |
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14:39.29 | kblin | yf_: then you already are a student |
14:39.50 | kblin | just sign in and you should see a link called "# Submit your Student Proposal |
14:39.52 | kblin | " |
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14:39.57 | kblin | in the left hand menu |
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14:42.02 | yf_ | kblin: yes, I think I am already a student |
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14:43.22 | yf_ | sd: hi |
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14:45.35 | yf_ | sundan: hi |
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14:48.55 | yf_ | kblin: I still get that error message, It says I am participating this program. I have read the faqs, I don't find any message can help. |
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14:51.17 | muzPayneGSoC | any admin online??? |
14:51.49 | muzPayneGSoC | i want to ask where aditional informations should be sent? |
14:52.05 | muzPayneGSoC | like personal details, etc. |
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14:52.13 | dhaun | nullpuppy: additional information about what? |
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14:52.42 | dhaun | yf_: so do you get that message when you try to submit a proposal? if so, try asking in #melange |
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14:53.07 | dhaun | bah, muzPayneGSoC: additional information about what? |
14:53.14 | dhaun | needs more coffee |
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14:54.21 | dhaun | muzPayneGSoC: are you talking about sending a proposal? if so, check the orgs application template - they usually state what they want to hear from you |
14:54.31 | muzPayneGSoC | yes |
14:54.38 | muzPayneGSoC | but i want to send two proposals |
14:54.49 | muzPayneGSoC | one project has its own pages, forums |
14:54.50 | yf_ | dhaun: no, when I click the link "accepting applications" in website http://socghop.appspot.com/site/home/site I receive an error as: "You cannot become a Student because you are already participating in this program". |
14:55.03 | muzPayneGSoC | and they want some aditional informations |
14:55.10 | muzPayneGSoC | second dont have link to any website |
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14:55.22 | muzPayneGSoC | so only the proposal is enough? |
14:56.26 | dhaun | muzPayneGSoC: a short introduction of yourself can't hurt |
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14:57.25 | muzPayneGSoC | yes, this i exactly what i want to add |
14:57.28 | muzPayneGSoC | ok thanks |
14:57.53 | muzPayneGSoC | and is there any lat year successful participant??? |
14:58.18 | muzPayneGSoC | i just want to ask how much time should I spend in reality with project |
14:58.29 | muzPayneGSoC | I have no other big plans for summer |
14:58.46 | muzPayneGSoC | i just want to ask, because one my friend told me he was working 4 hours per day |
14:58.51 | muzPayneGSoC | some that 8 |
14:59.20 | muzPayneGSoC | so I think it depends on difficulty of project? |
14:59.49 | dhaun | it's supposed to be your main focus during the summer (the FAQ has words to that effect), so more or less full-time |
14:59.59 | dhaun | but yes, it also depends on the project |
15:00.06 | dhaun | if in doubt, ask the org :) |
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15:01.30 | skbohra | i think best way to know about someone is a simple google search of his/her name |
15:02.05 | skbohra | most org must be doing that |
15:02.12 | yf_ | dhaun: no, when I click the link "accepting applications" in website http://socghop.appspot.com/site/home/site I receive an error as: "You cannot become a Student because you are already participating in this program". |
15:02.46 | dhaun | skbohra: unless their name is "Carol Smith" ;-) |
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15:03.22 | skbohra | dhaun: hehe |
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15:04.18 | dhaun | yf_: sorry, I've never seen Melange from a student's side so I don't even know about that link |
15:04.33 | skbohra | yf_: did you participate last year ? |
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15:05.03 | yf_ | skbohra: no, I did not participate last year |
15:05.49 | skbohra | yf_: make sure you are trying to be student there and not mentor etc |
15:06.34 | kblin | yf_: can you go to http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/list_orgs/google/gsoc2010/your_linkid_here ? |
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15:07.04 | kblin | skbohra: fails for a lot of people I know |
15:07.39 | thebolt | hi all |
15:07.45 | skbohra | thebolt: hey |
15:08.08 | yf_ | skbohra: In my loggin page, I have "resign as a student" link in the lefthand, so I think I log as a student account |
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15:13.37 | bawr | Well, I have to admit I still fail the google test. All my name turns up is a short paper I wrote in a philosophy contest a few years ago. |
15:14.06 | bawr | And that's not even on the first page. :) |
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15:14.31 | Ian_Corne | mine returns my esug gsoc page :p |
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15:15.42 | thebolt | gets page after page with himself.. mailinglists, webpages, other stuff.. :( |
15:18.18 | bawr | One of these days I'll start a blog for my code and rants, and that's as far as I can get into this social networking quagmire. |
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15:21.29 | kblin | meh |
15:21.43 | kblin | I don't know what problems people have with the gsoc web-app |
15:21.50 | kblin | the student interface is pretty obvious |
15:22.02 | darkip | it adds to the spacing EVERY time I edit my proposal |
15:22.04 | darkip | very irritating |
15:22.12 | kdaks | darkip |
15:22.20 | kdaks | yes that is a problem even i face |
15:22.32 | darkip | It's bearable, but still wastes time |
15:22.32 | pygi | kblin, its surely better then what we had before, so I won't complain, but its hardly perfect :) |
15:22.34 | kblin | ok, that's know |
15:22.44 | kdaks | i edited the html but still the same result |
15:22.46 | pygi | s/then/than |
15:23.00 | kblin | pygi: yeah, but how hard can it be to find that silly submit your student proposal link? |
15:23.07 | pygi | kblin, its not hard |
15:23.09 | darkip | Also, the lack of being able to insert tables |
15:23.21 | darkip | it's obviously easy to do them using HTML, but it should need to come to that |
15:23.39 | darkip | *shouldn't |
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15:24.55 | kblin | darkip: patches welcome |
15:25.18 | darkip | kblin: hehe, if I had time I would |
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15:25.31 | darkip | finding the time to get a proposal together has been hard enough |
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15:26.22 | dhaun | darkip: combine the two and apply for Melange :P |
15:26.37 | darkip | hah |
15:26.46 | darkip | I've already applied for StatusNet |
15:26.47 | kblin | you can switch off tinymce in your profile settings and just write plain html in there |
15:27.05 | kblin | I don't see why you'd need a fancy wysiwyg editor anyway |
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15:28.24 | thebolt | i don't really see that html adds anything needed really.. when i reviewed gsoc submissions it was content, not form, that mattered ;) |
15:28.37 | kblin | right |
15:28.47 | skbohra | makes sense |
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15:29.00 | kblin | but you need <br> or <p>...</p> to make html readable |
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15:29.09 | thebolt | headers is easy to make by just having an empty line and then a word or tow by itself to show it was a header |
15:29.52 | kblin | or just <pre> plain text proposal here </pre> |
15:30.29 | thebolt | :-) |
15:30.57 | kblin | but I agree, if you have the nicest looking proposal ever, but don't know anything about the proposal you're submitting and have no clue about the timeline, you're not going to make it |
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15:31.46 | darkip | the only thing I used html for was a table for my schedule |
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15:33.21 | safal_soni | when will we know that the organisations have accepted our proposal? |
15:33.23 | skbohra | i gave a link to pdf version of my app with all fancy colorful stuff :D |
15:33.39 | skbohra | safal_soni: timeline? |
15:33.45 | skbohra | !timline^ |
15:33.45 | socinfo | Error: "timline^" is not a valid command. |
15:33.49 | skbohra | heh |
15:34.04 | safal_soni | 9 april |
15:34.11 | skbohra | socinfo: 26th april |
15:34.11 | socinfo | Error: "26th" is not a valid command. |
15:34.20 | kdaks | !timeline |
15:34.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
15:34.26 | skbohra | need to have some rest |
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15:36.05 | safal_soni | skbohra what`s ur plans this summer? |
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15:37.11 | safal_soni | Unhammer:plans? |
15:37.47 | Unhammer | my plans for the summer? |
15:38.39 | safal_soni | http://www.socg.appshot.com |
15:40.15 | Unhammer | idunno, maybe take a trip to delhi, visit some domain name squatters |
15:41.41 | siri1 | kblin: where to start the timeline in the proposal we(students) submit ?April 26 or from May 22, which one is better? |
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15:52.45 | bawr | Choose the one you plan to plan from. ;) |
15:52.52 | bawr | April 26 here, if that helps. |
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16:03.17 | skbohra | safal_soni: planning to go to himalyas ;) |
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16:18.00 | safal_soni | well all the best |
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16:19.20 | skbohra | safal_soni: so what you planning :) |
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16:22.00 | safal_soni | <skbohra>:giving university exams when all my neighborhood kids play |
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16:22.58 | safal_soni | skbohra: what for gsoc-10 |
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16:28.16 | g0 | If I fill out the proposal form and don't check Make public that is effectively like saving a draft right? |
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16:30.15 | g0 | right? anyone? |
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16:30.24 | dhaun | g0: "Make public" makes it public, i.e. visible to anyone who knows the URL |
16:30.28 | pogo11 | no its not |
16:30.35 | g0 | Thanks |
16:30.47 | pogo11 | mentors will still be able to see it |
16:31.02 | g0 | but I do think that there should be a way to save drafts :) |
16:31.18 | dhaun | it's a draft until April 9 ... |
16:31.21 | dhaun | !edit |
16:31.22 | socinfo | "edit" is You can submit your application early and edit it up until the deadline (April 9). Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
16:31.25 | pogo11 | I used a .txt file :) |
16:31.50 | smtms | pogo11, not .html? :-) |
16:32.13 | g0 | pasting it to abiword looks all weird |
16:32.39 | pogo11 | You're right, it would have been better. Or in fact, to stay in the spirit of the event, I could have used a Google Doc |
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16:33.00 | xnox | I used a wiki |
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16:33.07 | xnox | as my Orgs wants to |
16:33.18 | xnox | and then copied web-page and pasted into the application |
16:33.32 | xnox | looks nice cause Gsoc form supports pasting rich-text |
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16:34.45 | iamsumesh | Hi everyone. |
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17:11.08 | siri1 | Abhinav1: hi |
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17:11.24 | Abhinav1 | siri1: hello |
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17:13.12 | siri1 | Abhinav1: Is this from bikaner??? |
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17:14.07 | rajat | define this |
17:15.23 | Abhinav1 | siri1: what? |
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17:15.35 | rajat | !this |
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17:17.20 | siri1 | Abhinav1: nthing, Are you from bikaner? |
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17:18.11 | skbohra | siri1: yeah |
17:18.58 | skbohra | siri1: so as me :) |
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17:19.48 | siri1 | skbohra: yeah..i still remember you... |
17:20.02 | siri1 | friend of abhinav,right? |
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17:20.33 | Abhinav1 | siri1: right |
17:21.33 | siri1 | skbohra,Abhinav1 : where to start the timeline in the proposal we(students) submit ?April 26 or from May 22, which one is better? |
17:22.16 | skbohra | siri1: which suits you best |
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17:26.37 | siri1 | skbohra: I want to know whether the things like getting the trunk and using svn which are new for a newbie can be written in proposal? |
17:27.28 | Abhinav1 | siri1: It should not in proposal |
17:27.55 | smtms | siri1, you can learn a lot during the community-bonding period |
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17:29.54 | siri1 | smtms: community bonding period is after getting selectd n before coding starts, you mean in this time?? |
17:30.03 | smtms | siri1, yes |
17:30.10 | siri1 | Abhinav1: ok |
17:30.13 | skbohra | siri1: just put that in timeline |
17:30.26 | siri1 | smtms: ok...thank you |
17:30.29 | skbohra | that you will use that time for learning these |
17:31.22 | siri1 | skbohra: k..then i will put it from april26 to may22 |
17:31.40 | skbohra | sounds good enough |
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17:32.32 | siri1 | skbohra: Thank you very much |
17:32.40 | skbohra | np |
17:33.23 | siri1 | :) |
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17:37.15 | Fatos | where do you submit your proposals again anyone .... do you do that through mailing lists... !???////// |
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17:38.04 | Catfish_Man | Fatos: ...the gsoc webapp |
17:38.20 | dhaun | Fatos: in the end, you submit it through the website - check with your org if they want to see drafts first |
17:38.22 | Catfish_Man | also please, if you abuse punctuation like that, people will think you're stupid. So don't do that around mentors |
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17:41.36 | Fatos | Catfish_Man, where excactly in the gsoc webapp? |
17:42.00 | Catfish_Man | Fatos: if you can't find it, you can't apply for gsoc |
17:43.08 | Catfish_Man | I suggest reading the manual, for example |
17:43.09 | Fatos | and if you can't help me you shouldn't be respoding to me, should you ? |
17:43.27 | mlankhorst | Fatos: There is a minimum age of 18 to apply :) |
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17:43.51 | Fatos | that's so funny. :P |
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17:45.08 | bawr | See, this is why I like this channel. |
17:45.15 | bawr | It makes even me feel smart. ;) |
17:45.59 | rajat | points Fatos to the FAQ |
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17:47.01 | Fatos | bawr, why? how do you usually feel ? |
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17:47.22 | rajat | !troll |
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17:47.34 | mlankhorst | oooo thats painful :} |
17:47.45 | bawr | :x |
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17:48.04 | Fatos | :P |
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17:50.15 | bawr | But to address your question, Fatos... I *usually* think that I'm not special in that I tend to read my manuals and FAQs. ;P |
17:50.44 | mlankhorst | this is enough for now |
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17:51.19 | bawr | Right'o. |
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18:03.43 | Fatos | Do orgs consider ideas from students more then the ideas presented in their lists? |
18:04.10 | Catfish_Man | in my experience, no, less |
18:04.15 | Catfish_Man | unless they're really good ideas |
18:04.36 | thiago | in mine, it depends on how well you write the proposal |
18:04.41 | thiago | not from whom the idea came |
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18:05.08 | Catfish_Man | thiago: I've found that a large % of student-proposed ideas are either overambitious or bad ideas, but there are some real gems |
18:05.22 | thiago | that's a good point |
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18:08.54 | Fatos | i think that if choosing from an idea from a list would be less promising due to the fact that many students could choose that same idea an the competition would become more obvious |
18:09.06 | Catfish_Man | sure |
18:09.16 | rajat | i would agree with Catfish_man. i'm a student and if i were to propose an idea of my own i would have trouble deciding how much should i put in in order to dazzle |
18:09.23 | bawr | Basically, you want to talk about your idea first, and see what response you get, either way. |
18:09.23 | Catfish_Man | it's a tradeoff: less competition, but you have to be very sure your idea is both good and feasible |
18:09.46 | thiago | rajat: it's not about dazzling |
18:09.57 | thiago | make a proposal for 3 months of work that _you_ can accomplish |
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18:10.07 | rajat | but for that reason most mentors suggest posting your idea in the forum and wait for review |
18:10.08 | thiago | then explain why it's good to do and why you should be the one doing it. |
18:10.14 | mlankhorst | personally I think the best proposals have been written by students that came up with their own ideas |
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18:11.14 | dhaun | items on the ideas list are usually things that the orgs want to see implemented |
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18:11.37 | dhaun | student ideas can be good but often suggest things that the org may not really be interested in |
18:11.44 | thiago | or random ideas to fill the gap |
18:11.46 | dhaun | (in my experience, FWIW) |
18:11.50 | thiago | note also that most ideas lists are wikis |
18:11.52 | thiago | so anyone can edit them |
18:12.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | it depends on the org. Some project with innovative software will probably be more open to student ideas |
18:12.41 | Catfish_Man | Wolf_OSGeo: uh, quite the opposite. Orgs with innovative software *have* good ideas :P |
18:12.45 | Catfish_Man | by definition |
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18:13.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | well sure, but they also attact those students who like to come up with out of the box ideas |
18:13.44 | Catfish_Man | perhaps |
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18:13.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | while more conservative projects might prefer ideas from their ideas list |
18:14.06 | Catfish_Man | most of the student proposed ideas adium got were just "voice and video chat!", which we removed from our list due to it being too hard |
18:14.15 | Catfish_Man | but there was one guy who proposed *six* ideas not from the list |
18:14.16 | Catfish_Man | all awesome |
18:14.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | cool! |
18:14.28 | mlankhorst | exactly ;P |
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18:17.14 | Fatos | then it comes down to time, if i have an idea i shoud do something ( programming, or report) that i'm already doing something right ? |
18:17.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | Catfish_Man: unit tests?!? are you serious :P ;) |
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18:18.04 | mlankhorst | Catfish_Man: depends though, for a single protocol doing voice + video chat might not be so hard |
18:18.15 | Catfish_Man | mlankhorst: this isn't theoretical |
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18:18.21 | Catfish_Man | VV is the rock that students run aground on |
18:18.25 | Catfish_Man | year after year after year |
18:18.31 | mlankhorst | ah oke |
18:19.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | used to work with IMPS XMPP and SIP protocols. Man it was hard at times. There are a lot of pitfalls |
18:20.14 | mlankhorst | thought for jabber - as long as you dont handle nat - it would be pretty straightforward with a few api calls to libjingle |
18:20.26 | Catfish_Man | you have to handle nat :P |
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18:20.32 | Catfish_Man | also libjingle is pretty junky last I checked |
18:20.44 | Catfish_Man | Wolf_OSGeo: it's trickier for us because you have to take linux-ish libraries, and then get them hooked up to osx-ish UI layer |
18:20.56 | Catfish_Man | which is doable, but requires broad knowledge |
18:21.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | Catfish_Man: ouch.. We only had the snags of windows and symbian, thus we did almost everything ourselves |
18:21.49 | Wolf_OSGeo | from scratch |
18:21.53 | Catfish_Man | Wolf_OSGeo: well, parts of it are good. Once you have your frames as a texture on a CoreAnimation layer, a lot of stuff happens for free |
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18:22.04 | Catfish_Man | hardware acceleration, transforms, easy nonblocking display, etc... |
18:22.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | cool |
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19:03.16 | x` | so what's all this "make public" juju? |
19:03.36 | Catfish_Man | it makes it public |
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19:06.13 | dhaun | I think students in past years asked for this, so they could show their proposal to others (who are not mentors) |
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19:10.15 | x` | oh, thanks for the explanation. I thought it had a function similar to "publish", so that when you're finished fiddling around, you just check make it public and your mentors see it. |
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19:11.12 | x` | it's not mentioned in the user's guide, i wouldn't ask otherwise :) |
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19:12.20 | Catfish_Man | ah, it should be :/ |
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19:12.26 | Catfish_Man | someone should fix that |
19:12.55 | x` | so that leaves one more thing, any tips for where I can upload the source code to? is pastebin the de facto standard? |
19:13.12 | Catfish_Man | I believe google code is the required location |
19:13.18 | x` | source code = previous work |
19:13.23 | Catfish_Man | oh, previous work |
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19:13.41 | x` | yeah, sorry for not making that clear |
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19:13.43 | Catfish_Man | um... dunno. set up a bitbucket account perhaps? |
19:13.47 | Catfish_Man | it's free |
19:13.58 | x` | i'm going to check it out, thanks |
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19:19.46 | rohit123_ | I get an error on form submission for gsoc: Invalid XSRF token |
19:20.03 | shuffle2 | why would you use bitbucket over googlecode? even for previous work, you can just setup a new repo... |
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19:21.04 | thiago | gives aramis a slash |
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19:21.50 | rohit123_ | I get an error on form submission for gsoc: Invalid XSRF token? has anyone got this error? |
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19:26.00 | neXyon | someone from google here? |
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19:28.03 | neXyon | is it possible to get a notification, when someone writes a comment to my proposal? |
19:28.39 | Bzar | random question, any freshmen hanging out here? |
19:28.41 | dhaun | neXyon: there should be a "subscribe to updates" button |
19:30.09 | ubuntuselur | Bzar: i'm a freshman |
19:30.50 | Bzar | ubuntuselur: neat, I was just wondering |
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19:34.03 | neXyon | dhaun: does that work for comments? |
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19:34.30 | neXyon | dhaun: and how am I notified then? mail? |
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19:46.22 | rohit123_ | As part of Gsoc submission should any code submissions be made in the proposal itself or on trac? |
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19:48.35 | arma | rohit123_: whatever fits most naturally for the project. as long as your submission points to the code somehow, it should be fine. |
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19:55.16 | schumaml | could someone please update the timeline asap to reflect the important changes to the application ranking schedule? |
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19:55.32 | x` | what changed? |
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19:57.28 | schumaml | slots are allocated on April 13 based on the number of applications |
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19:58.08 | schumaml | (either that or the mails from google are very ambiguous ;)) |
19:58.53 | arma | schumaml: yeah, it sure does look like somebody is neglecting the fact that most proposals arrive on the last day (apr 9) |
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20:01.39 | bawr | What? Each org gets a number of slots based on the number of applications they had? So... whoever's into botnets and/or language processing gets 90% of the slots? ;) |
20:01.49 | schumaml | yep |
20:02.04 | neXyon | awesome :) |
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20:02.54 | thiago | it's not the only criterion |
20:03.06 | x` | that wouldn't make sense |
20:03.11 | bawr | I disbelieve. If the DnD lingo isn't enough, let me try internet memes. Citation needed. :P |
20:03.13 | thiago | the number of applications is an analog for the org's popularity |
20:03.19 | x` | all this talk about quality over quantity and then it would revert to quantity? |
20:03.27 | thiago | Google usually uses the track record, the number of mentors and the number of slots requested |
20:03.58 | bawr | The way someone explained the process two days ago - Klingon blood rituals - did not even mention the number of applications. |
20:04.10 | x` | hehe |
20:04.16 | thiago | painsticks |
20:04.50 | bawr | Well, to be precise - "Klingon blood rituals" was just a short name, followed with an explanation. :) |
20:13.55 | schumaml | hm, we could even send a former bdsm slave to these rituals. not joking. |
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20:28.19 | gigasoft1 | when i translate proposal on my language it means something like suggestion |
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20:28.55 | gigasoft1 | socinfo, is proposal == application |
20:28.55 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
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20:29.33 | gigasoft1 | socinfo, ?(proposal == application) |
20:29.34 | socinfo | Error: "?(proposal" is not a valid command. |
20:29.50 | gigasoft1 | hm |
20:30.15 | dhaun | gigasoft1: you do realize you're talking to a bot, right? |
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20:30.27 | gigasoft1 | hm, no |
20:30.53 | smtms | gigasoft1, does anything about the meaning or translation bother you? |
20:31.10 | gigasoft1 | i thought it was some coool programer? |
20:31.13 | gigasoft1 | hm |
20:31.15 | gigasoft1 | yes |
20:31.23 | gigasoft1 | ?(proposal == application) |
20:31.43 | dhaun | in the GSoC context - yes |
20:31.48 | gigasoft1 | ok |
20:31.53 | gigasoft1 | thanks, man |
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20:38.50 | skelet | hello. what is about that "Major subject" field in the student registration form? I can't seem to figure out what to put there :-s |
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20:40.16 | xiainx | what are you majoring in? |
20:40.19 | xiainx | in school |
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20:43.09 | skelet | computer engineer, I believe |
20:43.47 | xiainx | you believe? |
20:44.00 | skelet | actually subengineer |
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20:44.22 | skelet | that's what I heard it will write on the diploma :) |
20:44.28 | xiainx | then put that |
20:44.37 | skelet | okay, thank you |
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21:14.17 | xiainx | any suggestions as to how to get in contact with orgs that seem to be ignoring me??? |
21:15.04 | loupgaroublond | xiainx, do you mean kernel.org? |
21:15.04 | xiainx | nope |
21:15.04 | loupgaroublond | ok :) |
21:15.04 | xiainx | *other* organizations |
21:15.04 | loupgaroublond | ok |
21:15.43 | brik | mail, visit their irc channel, forum? |
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21:15.50 | xiainx | done done done |
21:15.56 | xiainx | :( |
21:16.02 | brik | be patient? |
21:16.24 | loupgaroublond | xiainx, how long have you been waiting? |
21:16.37 | xiainx | ~2 or 3 days for a few |
21:16.42 | xiainx | over a week for one or two |
21:16.57 | brik | it's easter, so people might be off work until tuesday |
21:17.19 | xiainx | yes, that's a good point |
21:17.34 | bawr | What org, out of curiosity? |
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21:19.50 | xiainx | well, I'd rather not say |
21:20.00 | xiainx | they might be listening! |
21:20.36 | xiainx | I'm not applying for them anymore, but Ubuntu has been kind of aloof |
21:21.05 | loupgaroublond | i'm debating with myself whether we should be transparent about which orgs are slow to respond |
21:21.08 | loupgaroublond | it really goes both ways |
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21:36.51 | schumaml | please note that some orgs will start to look at proposals only after the application deadline |
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21:43.27 | xiainx | well, if those same orgs are saying that they look for students to submit early and get feedback, then they're lying to themselves and the students... |
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21:46.36 | mlankhorst | most of my projects proposals are first announced on mailng list so everyone can give feedback |
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21:47.18 | bawr | My org of choice is pretty nice on this account... I just grabbed a mentor or two on their IRC and extracted some feedback. ;) |
21:47.39 | bawr | mlankhorst: Most? How many did you have this year? |
21:48.12 | infinity0 | xiainx: are you implying there are such orgs? |
21:48.33 | mlankhorst | bawr: see mailing list? ;p |
21:49.47 | bawr | mlankhorst: But I don't remember who you're with. ;P |
21:50.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: that's the way to go :) |
21:50.36 | Wolf_OSGeo | if they have people on IRC |
21:50.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | not all do |
21:51.10 | mlankhorst | but not everyone is in the same timezone.. |
21:51.11 | xiainx | infinity0: I've seen a few organizations that say they want discussion, but are tough to reach |
21:51.39 | freedrull | im trying to discuss as much as possible now without getting flame |
21:51.40 | freedrull | d |
21:51.47 | freedrull | with the organization im interested in |
21:52.19 | bawr | mlankhorst: I'm in GMT+1, they're in GMT+USA, but it can bbe done. :) |
21:54.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: you mean GMT-USA :P |
21:54.15 | bawr | Wolf_OSGeo: Same difference. |
21:54.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | ;) |
21:54.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | just toying with ya. I'm tired. |
21:54.52 | bawr | Hey, I got to make a slight pun, so I'm okay with this. |
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22:09.22 | ruturaj | !timeline |
22:09.22 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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22:17.51 | kblin | mlankhorst: hey there |
22:21.57 | mlankhorst | noon |
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22:27.54 | kblin | mlankhorst: I can't find the wine org homepage on melange, did that get lost? |
22:29.42 | mlankhorst | odd |
22:30.19 | mlankhorst | can find it here though |
22:31.05 | mlankhorst | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2010/wine |
22:31.08 | mlankhorst | WorksForMe(TM) |
22:31.49 | kblin | that's the autogenerated one |
22:32.21 | mlankhorst | ow |
22:32.26 | kblin | I'm talking about the one that leslie asked us to create, the one that shows the news feed and will show the accepted student's projects |
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22:33.56 | mlankhorst | ill peek at it later |
22:35.45 | mlankhorst | bedtime here, nn |
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23:18.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
23:21.23 | kimelto | !next |
23:21.24 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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23:23.43 | gigasoft1 | i need student proposal example, please. |
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23:27.01 | gigasoft1 | i found it. |
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23:31.36 | bawr | gigasoft1: Want another one? :) |
23:31.50 | gigasoft1 | of course |
23:31.56 | gigasoft1 | is it a free? |
23:32.09 | bawr | Only ~80% done, though. |
23:32.11 | bawr | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/bawr/t127006308673 |
23:32.31 | gigasoft1 | bawr, thanks |
23:33.06 | bawr | No problem. If you have a great idea about making yours better because of this, do share the idea. ;) |
23:35.38 | gigasoft1 | :) |
23:36.46 | scgtrp | "Did I mention the t-shirt? That alone can keep me motivated for months. :-)" |
23:36.56 | scgtrp | that's great :D |
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23:38.17 | bawr | scgtrp: Your remarks about being a slacker in your proposal inspired me. :) |
23:39.02 | bawr | And if anyone wonders what's up with the RFC link, the Pydra guys linked that when they said that no matter what protocol we use, we should keep in touch. :) |
23:39.04 | scgtrp | someone actually did write up an application for that to the nmap mailing list on the 1st :D |
23:39.22 | bawr | Hahaha. |
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23:39.47 | hugo_br | is there a public student proposal list? |
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23:40.38 | bawr | I don't think there is. |
23:40.42 | scgtrp | not that i know of, but if you find one please give me the link |
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23:42.47 | bawr | As nice as that is, I think it wouldn't be a good idea. We could see the advent of copy-paste proposals. |
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23:45.43 | egns_afk | !kde |
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23:45.49 | egns_afk | it of course is. |
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23:48.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: I like the style in your app :D relaxed, yet informative :) |
23:49.16 | bawr | Wolf_OSGeo: Thank you. That's what I was going for. |
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23:51.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | bawr: I even got what you want to do, even if you are missing the details, and I know next to nothing about pydra. :D Good job! |
23:53.03 | bawr | Well, this is the only app I'm placing, so I wanted to make it count. :) |
23:54.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | :) |
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