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| 00:41.47 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: Cheers for the bug report, are you thinking of submitting a patch for the name attribute issue? |
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| 00:42.30 | gillux | well, I checked out the code, but thinking about testing the changes I would made to it... |
| 00:42.45 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: I added a test case for it |
| 00:42.49 | gillux | installing the application in some webserver etc. |
| 00:42.57 | gillux | oh |
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| 00:43.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: you can do `python bootstrap.py && bin/buildout && bin/run-tests |
| 00:43.31 | gillux | ok then, I'll give a try |
| 00:43.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: cool! |
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| 00:46.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: also, if you want to try out the app localy later on, getting started is pretty easy: `(cd scripts && ./build.sh) && thirdparty/google_appengine/dev_appserver.py build` |
| 00:47.21 | gillux | ok |
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| 01:25.05 | gillux | I've been a bit confused by the svn repository, I first checked it out because I'm more familiar with svn, but it doesn't seems well synced, or maybe it's because of the mercirial branches system |
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| 01:31.09 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: it's no longer used |
| 01:31.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | should update the guide |
| 01:31.28 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: could you please also sign the CLA? |
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| 01:32.50 | bawr | Hmm. I should totally put "never used CVS / SVN" as a positive bullet point on my app. ;) |
| 01:33.00 | gillux | the CLA ? |
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| 01:33.08 | scgtrp | bawr: hahaha |
| 01:33.11 | gillux | :) |
| 01:33.18 | scgtrp | i've used svn, not cvs |
| 01:33.33 | scgtrp | what's that proprietary one that's supposed to be especially retarded? i haven't used that either |
| 01:33.52 | bawr | scgtrp: I do use git / hg, so I'd argue it's a good characteristic. :) |
| 01:34.00 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/ContributorLicenseAgreements |
| 01:34.17 | bawr | scgtrp: Perforce? |
| 01:34.21 | scgtrp | maybe |
| 01:34.36 | scgtrp | i don't like git much for reasons i've forgotten, but hg is nice |
| 01:34.37 | bawr | Or... *shudder* Visual Source Safe? |
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| 01:34.55 | scgtrp | ooh, that reminds me |
| 01:35.16 | scgtrp | adds "physically incapable of typing 'visual studio' without typing 'visual stupid' first then hitting backspace" to his application |
| 01:35.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: please mail the list ("melange-soc-dev" <melange-soc-dev@googlegroups.com>) saying you signed the CLA, including the name and email address you used, we'll add you to the AUTHORS file then :) |
| 01:35.25 | scgtrp | (i'm serious) |
| 01:35.55 | bawr | scgtrp: Neat. |
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| 01:37.12 | gillux | okay :) |
| 01:37.22 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: thanks so much :) |
| 01:37.42 | bawr | Okay, I should probably get some sleep for a change. |
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| 02:02.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: have you gotten a chance to look at the CLA? |
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| 02:02.47 | kizzo | Would it be ok to propose to do character work for a 2d pygame fighting game? |
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| 02:03.30 | kizzo | Tha game is: http://usf.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 02:04.43 | gillux | SRabbelier|Lappy: yes, I signed it |
| 02:04.54 | gillux | also sent a mail to the mailing list |
| 02:05.06 | summatusmentis | kizzo: that question should probably go to them? |
| 02:05.37 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: to melange-soc-dev@googlegroups.com, weird, I don't see it? |
| 02:06.03 | gillux | er, maybe I should subscribe to it first |
| 02:06.16 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: oh, you can send it to melange-soc too |
| 02:06.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: ah, nvm, that one's subscribed-only too |
| 02:07.07 | gillux | my mail should be in the moderation queue |
| 02:07.21 | MatthewWilkes | the patch in the issue lgtm |
| 02:07.45 | gillux | I didn't receive any positive or negative reply from the bouncer |
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| 02:09.27 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: I don't see your @free.fr account as a member |
| 02:09.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | (on melange-soc-dev) |
| 02:10.05 | gillux | indeed |
| 02:10.11 | gillux | but I'm wondering |
| 02:10.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: mh? |
| 02:10.33 | gillux | what happened to my mail ? |
| 02:10.45 | gillux | I sent it without being registered |
| 02:10.53 | gillux | but didn't get any reply |
| 02:11.22 | gillux | it have been simply dropped ? |
| 02:11.30 | MatthewWilkes | It must be a mod queue somewhere |
| 02:11.44 | MatthewWilkes | I dunno what the google groups interface looks like to admins so can't be sure |
| 02:12.27 | gillux | should I wait for the moderation to accept it, or subscribe to the list and send it again ? |
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| 02:12.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: mails from non-subscribed members are just ignored I think |
| 02:12.43 | micahcowan | I don't know about melange-soc-dev, but when I posted to melange-soc earlier today, it was rejected outright without my being subscribed. |
| 02:12.49 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: since we get so much spam from non-subscribed members |
| 02:12.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | micahcowan: did you get a message? |
| 02:14.02 | micahcowan | Yes, I did. I subscribed, and resent, and y'all got my messages after that :) |
| 02:14.38 | gillux | ok, I subscribe then. To melange-soc because the description of melange-soc-devs says "Only project owners and members of http://code.google.com/p/soc/ can post." |
| 02:15.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: ah, mhh, that should be fixed probably |
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| 02:21.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: thanks! |
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| 02:22.25 | gillux | thank you also, SRabbelier|Lappy & MatthewWilkes |
| 02:22.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: thank you! |
| 02:22.57 | gillux | you've been very responsive and it's pretty cool to have my name in melange now :) |
| 02:23.20 | kusum | Hello everyone |
| 02:23.42 | kusum | Anyone here who represent Google open source programs office organisation ? |
| 02:23.43 | gillux | hello |
| 02:23.55 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: glad to have you there ;) |
| 02:23.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: sortof |
| 02:24.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: what's the problem? |
| 02:24.15 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: No problem, congratulations on your patch! |
| 02:24.24 | MatthewWilkes | everyone else, follow gillux's example! :) |
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| 02:24.43 | kusum | SRabbelier|Lappy: No problem but an enquiry |
| 02:25.04 | kusum | I submitted a proposal on the GSOC website under Google |
| 02:25.32 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: ok |
| 02:26.01 | kusum | I wanted to know when i will be informed about whether i need to mention anything more in the proposal |
| 02:26.17 | kusum | Also can we EDIT the proposal after April 9th ? |
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| 02:27.08 | MatthewWilkes | I doubt you will. Applying to Google is a last-ditch attempt to get a worthy project in without an organisation that can support it. If your proposal isn't excellent on its own merits I'd be surprised if it was accepted. (I am not a googler) |
| 02:27.51 | araujo | surely it is not impossible, but it has to have its own merits yeah |
| 02:29.21 | kusum | ohh |
| 02:29.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: what MatthewWilkes said, and no you can't edit it after April 9th |
| 02:29.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: with exception of the abstract |
| 02:29.44 | araujo | kusum, also, notice, you need to find your mentor too |
| 02:30.22 | kusum | I am proposing an addon for my last years GSOC project |
| 02:30.31 | kusum | my mentor is ready to mentor again |
| 02:30.47 | kusum | i have written week wise roadmap as well |
| 02:31.14 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: why not apply to the organization you applied to last year? |
| 02:31.16 | kusum | what i'll be showing at mid_term evaluation and final evaluation has been clearly mentioned |
| 02:31.17 | MatthewWilkes | kusum: If your project last time was accepted by google and your application this year is of the same quality there's not much more you can do |
| 02:32.08 | kusum | My project is a School Management system |
| 02:32.26 | kusum | a lot of changes in the functionality have been bought since last year |
| 02:32.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: what organization did you work under last year? |
| 02:32.48 | kusum | since it is a SIS , a lot can be done |
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| 02:33.00 | kusum | SRabbelier|Lappy: It was openSUSE |
| 02:33.05 | kusum | it is not participating this year |
| 02:33.15 | MatthewWilkes | oh, n/m my previous comment then |
| 02:33.19 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: then it's unlikely that GOSPO will accept you this year |
| 02:33.31 | kusum | why ? |
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| 02:34.56 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kusum: they usually look for projects that could otherwise not get a mentoring |
| 02:35.25 | MatthewWilkes | kusum: There's a reason openSUSE aren't participating. I don't know what it is, either they chose not to or they weren't successful in applying. That sucks, but it doesn't mean that people who would otherwise have gotten places at openSUSE can go to google |
| 02:35.38 | MatthewWilkes | kusum: Try looking for another org that's interested |
| 02:35.59 | kusum | in supporting openSIS ? |
| 02:36.28 | MatthewWilkes | If it's part of SUSE's core you have little chance of finding another org |
| 02:36.35 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/ChangeLog |
| 02:36.51 | MatthewWilkes | In which case I'm sorry, but you might want to think about potential other projects |
| 02:36.57 | mmadia | !advice |
| 02:36.58 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 02:37.13 | gillux | :) |
| 02:37.21 | kusum | openSIS is funded by openSUSE as a part of openSUSE-edu |
| 02:37.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: deploying v0-7-20100404 right now, should be live in a few minutes |
| 02:37.47 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: Wonderful, thanks! I'll go and add anchors to my ideas list document once it's live! |
| 02:38.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: I think the GSoC community at large will be very thankful of this change :D |
| 02:38.26 | gillux | so much exposure for a one-line patch, it seems a bit crazy to me be I can't refuse :) |
| 02:38.48 | gillux | thank you |
| 02:38.53 | MatthewWilkes | gillux: Lots of them are 1 line patches :) |
| 02:39.05 | MatthewWilkes | (especially mine) |
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| 02:41.17 | gillux | it's crazy, I bet such a system can only exists in google's world |
| 02:41.30 | gillux | I mean, I have a little problem with anchors and hour later it's fixed, available in the production server and I'm in the AUTHORS file and the changelog |
| 02:41.40 | micahcowan | gillux, :) |
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| 02:42.03 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: hehe, well, we try to be responsive :) |
| 02:42.19 | gillux | it couldn't be better |
| 02:42.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: Melange is mostly run by volunteers, you just got lucky that I was online :P |
| 02:42.33 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: You're always online |
| 02:42.38 | gillux | hehe :) |
| 02:42.42 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: hush, don't tell him that |
| 02:43.01 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: People need to know that they can call on you night or day to apply their patches |
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| 02:43.08 | SRabbelier|Lappy | laughs |
| 02:43.09 | MatthewWilkes | In fact, why don't you post your mobile phone number? |
| 02:43.15 | gillux | laughs too |
| 02:43.24 | kizzo | If I'm trying to propose an idea that is not on an ideas list of any mentor org, am I supposed to ask Google to be the mentor org for it? |
| 02:43.30 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: it's not working at the moment since I'm in the USA :P |
| 02:43.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kizzo: no |
| 02:43.50 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kizzo: propose the idea to the mentoring organization to which it's most relevant |
| 02:43.54 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Surely you still have it on for texts etc? |
| 02:43.58 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kizzo: the idea lists are only that, to give you an idea |
| 02:44.10 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: no signal here; I do have a US number that works of course |
| 02:44.11 | kizzo | Alrighty. |
| 02:44.22 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: No signal? Weiiird. |
| 02:44.36 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: live |
| 02:44.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | MatthewWilkes: I'm in the middle of nowhere atm :P |
| 02:44.54 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy: Where abouts? |
| 02:45.04 | gillux | great |
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| 02:46.47 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: please give it a ghwirl :) |
| 02:47.40 | gillux | a what ? |
| 02:48.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | gillux: a whirl, a try, a test, try it out :P |
| 02:48.23 | gillux | yeah, sure :) |
| 02:48.44 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ghwirl = "whirl" only Stewie style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lich59xsjik |
| 02:49.08 | micahcowan | "A HHHHwirl" |
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| 02:49.20 | SRabbelier|Lappy | micahcowan: exactly |
| 02:49.38 | SRabbelier|Lappy | ok, that's not the one I meant :P |
| 02:49.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | youtube ftl |
| 02:49.51 | SRabbelier|Lappy | skip to 0:50 :P |
| 02:50.23 | SRabbelier|Lappy | anyway, bed time, ttyl :) |
| 02:50.29 | SRabbelier|Lappy | if Melange explodes, bug lennie :P |
| 02:51.23 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier|Lappy, gillux: Works great, thanks. |
| 02:51.35 | gillux | yep, just anchored my proposal |
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| 02:55.25 | gillux | @youtube: funny :) |
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| 03:01.45 | coppro | rumor or real: being accepted by a mentoring organization does not mean acceptance for the program; Google has to vet them |
| 03:02.33 | araujo | decision is only final when Google releases the list of accepted students |
| 03:02.37 | araujo | if that is what you mean |
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| 03:05.07 | Inc | hmmmmm |
| 03:05.09 | Inc | can't reach google |
| 03:05.11 | Inc | ODD |
| 03:05.49 | dmitrig01 | er document |
| 03:05.50 | MatthewWilkes | coppro: I've never heard of google removing someone from the list, but yeah, in theory they could. We only provide the list we want to accept and google is the employer |
| 03:05.50 | dmitrig01 | on melange |
| 03:06.30 | MatthewWilkes | dmitrig01: There's a button on the edit page |
| 03:06.43 | dmitrig01 | MatthewWilkes: i don't see it |
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| 03:06.53 | dmitrig01 | i see "Save Changes" "Back to previous page" "export" |
| 03:07.50 | dmitrig01 | MatthewWilkes: http://img.skitch.com/20100405-kp1t7rckxn225swf99m1rcxgcb.jpg |
| 03:08.19 | MatthewWilkes | it goes in that larger box between the last 2 buttons |
| 03:08.25 | dmitrig01 | MatthewWilkes: atrange |
| 03:08.36 | dmitrig01 | i wonder why I don't see it |
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| 03:10.17 | MatthewWilkes | dmitrig01: http://twitpic.com/1dbmd9 |
| 03:10.32 | dmitrig01 | MatthewWilkes: yeah, i get what you mean, i just don't knwo why that button isn't there for me |
| 03:11.00 | dmitrig01 | MatthewWilkes: i wouldn't want to spam the list |
| 03:11.08 | MatthewWilkes | dmitrig01: Try changing the write permission to member? |
| 03:11.14 | MatthewWilkes | that's the only difference I see |
| 03:11.45 | dmitrig01 | nope |
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| 03:32.39 | radvlad | is there a minimum amount of time we are expected to invest on a project? (in terms of hours per week, or total hours) |
| 03:32.42 | Inc | odd |
| 03:32.53 | scgtrp | awww. someone else has submitted something to the nmap mailing list about the project i applied for |
| 03:33.05 | movicont | radvlad: every project has their own requirements, but most want you to treat it as a full time job |
| 03:33.09 | scgtrp | and now i'm feeling oddly competitive, because that was the most interesting one to me |
| 03:34.52 | radvlad | hmm.. thanks, i wasn't aware of that.. i was hoping to work on a project alongside school work :/ |
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| 03:45.46 | robbyoconnor | goes to write his application |
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| 04:19.45 | diofeher | anyone knows the channel of google for python developers? |
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| 04:22.16 | patrick42h | driofeher: I guess you could try #python and go from there. |
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| 04:38.34 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: what? |
| 04:38.52 | robbyoconnor | fights the urge |
| 04:39.39 | diofeher | robbyoconnor: i wanted a channel to talk about youtube api with python... and the second channel i thought was here (first was #python) |
| 04:40.01 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: the docs aren't good enough? |
| 04:40.55 | diofeher | robbyoconnor: the docs are good... but i was having problems |
| 04:41.08 | diofeher | btw, i've already fixed my problem, so thanks :-) |
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| 04:41.10 | robbyoconnor | they have a google group mailing list, try that. |
| 04:41.11 | robbyoconnor | ;) |
| 04:41.23 | robbyoconnor | being able to debug properly++ |
| 04:41.30 | robbyoconnor | and by the way this isn't a support channel. |
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| 04:49.22 | Manca | so guys, anyone signed up for summer of code yet? |
| 04:50.06 | robbyoconnor | not yet. |
| 04:50.11 | robbyoconnor | working on my proposal now. |
| 04:51.16 | Manca | which organization are you gonna work with? |
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| 04:52.53 | robbyoconnor | top secret |
| 04:53.32 | Manca | :) |
| 04:53.54 | Manca | what kind of project do you have in mind (if it's not top secret)? |
| 04:54.10 | robbyoconnor | top secret. |
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| 04:55.05 | Manca | nice :) |
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| 04:57.19 | LightNova | hi |
| 04:58.15 | robbyoconnor | too competitive -- you have to be self serving |
| 04:58.20 | robbyoconnor | otherwise you won't survive |
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| 04:58.32 | robbyoconnor | 1000 spots for well over 6000+ students |
| 04:58.59 | Zeiris | What is the average work/open source software experience of the average applicant? |
| 04:59.05 | Zeiris | (What -are- my chances?) |
| 04:59.25 | Manca | i guess it depends on particular projects |
| 04:59.49 | Manca | you might get pretty 'easy' one, but on the other hand you can get your hands on something fairly difficult |
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| 05:03.39 | robbyoconnor | Zeiris: prior to my 2008 acceptance i had no experience |
| 05:04.02 | Zeiris | The competition has grown in the last 2 years though, has it not? |
| 05:04.04 | robbyoconnor | but you should have the ability to either code in the language necessary or be able to learn it REALLLLLY fast |
| 05:04.10 | robbyoconnor | Zeiris: yes |
| 05:04.21 | robbyoconnor | be able to learn quickly |
| 05:04.25 | robbyoconnor | all I can say |
| 05:04.30 | robbyoconnor | be able to be self motivated |
| 05:04.46 | Manca | robby, what was your 2008 project about? ( i guess that's not top secret, lol) |
| 05:04.49 | robbyoconnor | your best bet is to show your mentoring org that you thought about your project and how it will be implemented |
| 05:04.52 | robbyoconnor | that's not |
| 05:05.01 | robbyoconnor | it's currently incomplete and abandoned. |
| 05:05.21 | robbyoconnor | http://openmrs.org/wiki/Groovy_Forms_Module |
| 05:05.26 | Manca | did u last till the end of competition? |
| 05:06.46 | Zeiris | I've spent countless hours over 8+ years hacking together code for the sheer fun of it, and consider myself very able and extremely motivated... However all I can do is talk about it, since 99% is not available online. This is really making me rethink about how I handle personal projects :) |
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| 05:08.09 | Manca | what kind of programming have you done Zeiris? |
| 05:08.44 | Zeiris | I guess this channel is as good as any - what ways do you use, or would like to use, to make the code you work on in your spare time more publicaly visible and available? |
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| 05:09.14 | Catfish_Man | Zeiris: typically you put it in your version control system of choice, then stick it on a project hosting site |
| 05:09.24 | Catfish_Man | bitbucket for mercurial, github for git, launchpad for bzr, etc... |
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| 05:09.41 | robbyoconnor | http://openmrs.org/wiki/GroovyForms_Module |
| 05:09.51 | robbyoconnor | Manca: yes. |
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| 05:10.16 | robbyoconnor | Zeiris: it all rides on your propsoal |
| 05:10.21 | robbyoconnor | write a crappy one -- no chance |
| 05:10.30 | robbyoconnor | write a kick-ass one -- high chance |
| 05:11.05 | Zeiris | I've used google code for large or collaborative projects in the past, but it was better suited for big things. Are any of the popular CVS systems suited to hosting a bunch of smaller packages? |
| 05:11.11 | Manca | how long should be the proposal? And what all should it contain? |
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| 05:12.11 | Catfish_Man | Zeiris: dunno. My friend Peter puts a ton of random stuff on bitbucket |
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| 05:12.17 | Catfish_Man | er, not bitbucket |
| 05:12.29 | Catfish_Man | yes, bitbucket. Sigh, my memory |
| 05:12.38 | Catfish_Man | anyway, he's crazy. Usually right though |
| 05:12.50 | Zeiris | Awesome, crazy people make the bestest role models :D |
| 05:13.40 | robbyoconnor | Manca: as long as necessary |
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| 05:14.24 | Manca | understandable |
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| 05:15.55 | kizzo | Can your proposal be in the form of a PDF file? I would prefer that format as opposed to flat text. |
| 05:15.55 | robbyoconnor | also, be careful to not bite off more than you can chew |
| 05:16.05 | robbyoconnor | kizzo: use google docs. |
| 05:16.11 | robbyoconnor | easiest to link. |
| 05:16.31 | kizzo | robbyoconnor: Oh wow are you serious? They've got things -that- linked up now? |
| 05:16.35 | kizzo | Cool. |
| 05:16.45 | robbyoconnor | kizzo: er no. |
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| 05:16.53 | robbyoconnor | I mean you can post a URL to it. |
| 05:16.58 | kizzo | Oh ok. |
| 05:17.36 | robbyoconnor | publish the doc (share it and you're done :)) |
| 05:17.36 | robbyoconnor | then give the public link ;) |
| 05:17.36 | kizzo | Well that's good enough for purposes I guess. |
| 05:17.36 | kizzo | Thanks. |
| 05:17.38 | robbyoconnor | dmitrig01: mentoring this year? |
| 05:17.43 | robbyoconnor | kizzo: same format.. :P |
| 05:17.49 | dmitrig01 | robbyoconnor: dunno yet |
| 05:17.50 | dmitrig01 | robbyoconnor: but org-adminning |
| 05:17.51 | robbyoconnor | and nobody has to load it :) |
| 05:17.55 | robbyoconnor | ?! |
| 05:17.58 | robbyoconnor | jesus |
| 05:18.05 | robbyoconnor | I'd feel weird being mentored by you :P |
| 05:18.06 | Manca | dmitrig01: which organization? |
| 05:18.09 | dmitrig01 | drupal |
| 05:18.12 | Manca | nice |
| 05:18.17 | robbyoconnor | Manca: that kid is genius. |
| 05:18.22 | Manca | i bet |
| 05:18.22 | dmitrig01 | (you all should apply) |
| 05:18.34 | robbyoconnor | dmitrig01: you're 15 now? |
| 05:18.40 | dmitrig01 | 14 |
| 05:18.43 | Manca | :) |
| 05:18.48 | Manca | way to go! |
| 05:19.02 | Manca | have u participated in gsoc before? |
| 05:19.14 | dmitrig01 | yep, mentored that last two years |
| 05:19.21 | dmitrig01 | also mentored ghop |
| 05:19.26 | diofeher | 14 years old mentoring??? |
| 05:19.32 | diofeher | omg |
| 05:19.33 | robbyoconnor | Manca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mwKq7_JlS8 |
| 05:19.42 | Manca | he was actually 12 if it's been two years :D |
| 05:19.43 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: yup! |
| 05:19.45 | robbyoconnor | kids a genus |
| 05:19.46 | kizzo | robbyoconnor: I didn't fully understand your "same format.." response. Are you suggesting that I should use the text format as opposed to the PDF/GDocs way is because the GSOC folks won't have to worry about manually loading my PDF? |
| 05:20.00 | kizzo | s/is // |
| 05:20.01 | diofeher | i'm 19 and haven't participated yet |
| 05:20.05 | robbyoconnor | well I find it a bitch to load pdfs |
| 05:20.05 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 05:20.20 | kizzo | True. But yeah, just clarifying. |
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| 05:20.32 | robbyoconnor | you CAN make a PDF from a google doc though ;) |
| 05:20.42 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: pffft. Use better software :P |
| 05:20.45 | Manca | :) |
| 05:20.48 | diofeher | i want to be a genious now :( |
| 05:20.51 | dmitrig01 | lol |
| 05:21.00 | dmitrig01 | now, daddy, now! |
| 05:21.15 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: dont blame him because he's a genius by nature |
| 05:21.19 | Manca | dmitri, what's your field of interest? |
| 05:21.30 | Manca | what have u been working on |
| 05:21.38 | dmitrig01 | Manca: drupal |
| 05:21.40 | Manca | how did u get the mentoring status in gsoc? |
| 05:21.45 | Manca | only drupal? |
| 05:22.03 | robbyoconnor | Manca: he knew his shit |
| 05:22.06 | robbyoconnor | that's how |
| 05:22.11 | dmitrig01 | i asked... |
| 05:22.13 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 05:22.31 | robbyoconnor | Manca: show you have leadership abilities -- that's how |
| 05:22.33 | diofeher | robbyoconnor: i'm not blaming, i'm just envyious |
| 05:22.36 | diofeher | =p |
| 05:22.43 | Manca | that's cool |
| 05:22.45 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: yeh i am too |
| 05:22.47 | Manca | wtg! |
| 05:22.51 | robbyoconnor | he schooled a room full of adults lol |
| 05:23.00 | diofeher | haha |
| 05:23.07 | dmitrig01 | conferences, etc |
| 05:23.13 | robbyoconnor | sorry dmitrig01 for some reason i'm both envious and in general just impressed |
| 05:23.20 | dmitrig01 | hah |
| 05:23.23 | robbyoconnor | and jealous |
| 05:23.27 | diofeher | do you all know a organization without too many students? |
| 05:23.28 | dmitrig01 | no reason to be sorry |
| 05:23.29 | diofeher | =p |
| 05:23.39 | dmitrig01 | robbyoconnor: this is open source. it's just a matter of time and energy |
| 05:23.48 | dmitrig01 | diofeher: we don't have very many applicants (yet) |
| 05:23.57 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: hard to tell. |
| 05:24.00 | diofeher | dmitrig01: what's your organization? |
| 05:24.01 | Manca | i actually had a presentation about jQuery the other day in my Web Design class :) |
| 05:24.03 | Manca | lol |
| 05:24.03 | dmitrig01 | diofeher: Drupal |
| 05:24.04 | robbyoconnor | drupal |
| 05:24.12 | robbyoconnor | he's said it SEVERAL times now |
| 05:24.12 | diofeher | nice... |
| 05:24.23 | diofeher | i work mainly with python |
| 05:24.26 | diofeher | but i can take a look |
| 05:24.27 | robbyoconnor | last summer a father-son pair was working on drupal |
| 05:24.39 | dmitrig01 | yeah, that was pretty cool |
| 05:24.56 | robbyoconnor | it's gonna be so weird not having lh :( |
| 05:25.09 | robbyoconnor | I met her and had a REALLLY hard time calling her lh in person LOL |
| 05:25.12 | robbyoconnor | sounded weird |
| 05:25.35 | enthus_ | why she is not available?? |
| 05:25.44 | Catfish_Man | got a new job |
| 05:25.53 | enthus_ | oh.. |
| 05:26.01 | dmitrig01 | robbyoconnor: why did you call her lh? |
| 05:26.01 | Catfish_Man | yeah, we're all sad |
| 05:26.09 | Catfish_Man | but she's excited, so we wish her well :) |
| 05:26.10 | robbyoconnor | dmitrig01: habit |
| 05:26.17 | enthus_ | now who is the in her place??? |
| 05:26.31 | dmitrig01 | but you had a hard time with it |
| 05:26.33 | Catfish_Man | carols |
| 05:26.51 | diofeher | dmitrig01: drupal have a list of ideas to apply to gsoc? |
| 05:26.55 | robbyoconnor | dmitrig01: i dunno :) |
| 05:27.05 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: you just screwed yourself man |
| 05:27.08 | enthus_ | and he is not here right now on irc,i think |
| 05:27.10 | robbyoconnor | go to melange |
| 05:27.13 | Catfish_Man | enthus_: she |
| 05:27.16 | robbyoconnor | look up drupal |
| 05:27.19 | robbyoconnor | ideas page is there. |
| 05:27.20 | dmitrig01 | i'll be your friend |
| 05:27.20 | dmitrig01 | http://groups.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/15103 |
| 05:27.22 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: sorry |
| 05:27.25 | enthus_ | :( |
| 05:27.37 | diofeher | i was looking, but haven't found |
| 05:27.39 | diofeher | ._. |
| 05:27.46 | enthus_ | ok..what is her nick?? |
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| 05:27.57 | Catfish_Man | enthus_: carols |
| 05:28.02 | Catfish_Man | she's not around currently |
| 05:28.29 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: Thank you..and you ?? |
| 05:28.32 | robbyoconnor | she is usually around M-F from i think 9 to 5 PDT |
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| 05:28.47 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: mentor/org admin?? |
| 05:28.50 | Catfish_Man | enthus_: I was a mentor/admin for Adium in '06/'07/'08 |
| 05:28.56 | robbyoconnor | Adium |
| 05:28.58 | robbyoconnor | pffft |
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| 05:29.11 | robbyoconnor | I'm not afraid of you Catfish_Man |
| 05:29.13 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: what about now?? |
| 05:29.14 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 05:29.15 | Manca | Adium sounds interesting ;) |
| 05:29.20 | Catfish_Man | enthus_: I work for Apple now, on the Cocoa team |
| 05:29.27 | robbyoconnor | ew. |
| 05:29.29 | robbyoconnor | apple |
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| 05:29.34 | Catfish_Man | ew |
| 05:29.35 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: |
| 05:29.38 | robbyoconnor | ew Catfish_Man |
| 05:29.40 | Catfish_Man | ;) |
| 05:29.42 | enthus_ | ;-) |
| 05:29.42 | diofeher | apple is nice |
| 05:29.45 | dmitrig01 | <-- fanboy |
| 05:29.46 | diofeher | =) |
| 05:29.46 | robbyoconnor | this is gonna not end well |
| 05:29.51 | Catfish_Man | hehe |
| 05:29.59 | Catfish_Man | diofeher: parts of it. I like my team :) |
| 05:30.05 | diofeher | they know how to do a good product |
| 05:30.05 | coppro | <-- vacuumboy |
| 05:30.06 | robbyoconnor | IRC Rule #1: user with ops ALWAYS wins an argument |
| 05:30.13 | Manca | Catfish_Man, what do you recommend interesting Apple related for development? |
| 05:30.13 | dmitrig01 | sees what happens: |
| 05:30.13 | dmitrig01 | iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad iPad |
| 05:30.18 | Manca | maybe smth for iPad :) ? |
| 05:30.23 | diofeher | but ipad wasn't look nice for me |
| 05:30.23 | robbyoconnor | dmitrig01: you mean tampon |
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| 05:30.25 | Manca | using new XCode? |
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| 05:30.31 | diofeher | it's too... big |
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| 05:30.34 | robbyoconnor | he sure showed us! |
| 05:30.37 | Catfish_Man | wb dmitrig01 |
| 05:30.39 | robbyoconnor | dmitrig01: you mean tampon |
| 05:30.41 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 05:30.43 | diofeher | owned hahaha |
| 05:30.45 | dmitrig01 | lol |
| 05:30.53 | dmitrig01 | doesn't even have one, nor is planning on getting one |
| 05:30.58 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: on what basis the org gets the number of slots?? |
| 05:30.58 | robbyoconnor | iPad is the worst idea that apple ever concocted. |
| 05:30.58 | Catfish_Man | Manca: I'm sorta sad there aren't more of our projects participating in gsoc :/ |
| 05:31.05 | dmitrig01 | s/idea/name |
| 05:31.05 | Catfish_Man | libdispatch would be a fascinating gsoc project |
| 05:31.12 | robbyoconnor | I have hundreds of people behind me on this one. |
| 05:31.18 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: unfamiliar with the Pippin, I see |
| 05:31.35 | Manca | robby: don't hate :) |
| 05:31.37 | diofeher | i'm waiting for imat: http://media.bestofmicro.com/7/U/240042/original/691404701.jpg |
| 05:31.55 | Manca | what exactly could libdispatch could be used for? |
| 05:32.20 | patrick42h | what's the iPad? |
| 05:32.23 | Catfish_Man | Manca: I use it in preference to pthread equivalents 80-90% of the time or so |
| 05:32.24 | robbyoconnor | diofeher: there's an android iPad-like device lol |
| 05:32.50 | Manca | that's nice, but what kind of project could be developed using it? |
| 05:32.51 | patrick42h | I really don't see the point of the iPad. I will reserve judgement for a while, though. |
| 05:33.00 | Manca | or should it be more of a development of the library itself? |
| 05:33.18 | Catfish_Man | Manca: oh, I see. I would expect gsoc participation from them to be working on the library itself |
| 05:33.38 | patrick42h | I wish I could find a mentoring organization that is doing iPhone/Mac development. :( |
| 05:34.17 | Manca | patrick: that's what i was looking for originally... but as catfish_man said, they don't have much projects |
| 05:34.31 | Catfish_Man | patrick42h: I wish Adium was still participating :( |
| 05:34.33 | Catfish_Man | but we all got jobs |
| 05:34.36 | Manca | :D |
| 05:34.37 | Catfish_Man | and ran out of adium time |
| 05:34.56 | Catfish_Man | is Chrome participating this year, I haven't checked? |
| 05:35.07 | Manca | how's working with Adium team nowdays? Are you guys planning to support it for a while, or just abandon it? |
| 05:35.16 | patrick42h | Catfish_Man it would be cool to work on adium |
| 05:35.22 | Manca | libpurple is amazing lib and it'd be shame to lose adium support |
| 05:35.23 | Catfish_Man | Manca: well... Steve is still working on it |
| 05:35.33 | Catfish_Man | and I think Zac plans to once he unburies himself from school |
| 05:35.35 | patrick42h | when is adium getting IRC support? |
| 05:35.42 | Catfish_Man | patrick42h: a year ago or so. beta.adium.im |
| 05:36.18 | patrick42h | Catfish_Man really? I was just being silly. :P |
| 05:36.26 | Catfish_Man | I'm using it now |
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| 05:36.56 | Manca | i never tried it... |
| 05:38.00 | Manca | catfish_man: did u manage to get facebook chat working in Adium? |
| 05:38.05 | Manca | because I haven't. |
| 05:38.10 | Catfish_Man | Manca: they did, actually. They launched XMPP support! |
| 05:38.21 | Manca | yes, but i never managed to get it working |
| 05:38.46 | Manca | it returns 503: Service unavailable |
| 05:38.51 | Catfish_Man | huh |
| 05:38.56 | Catfish_Man | worked ok for me last time I checked |
| 05:39.01 | Catfish_Man | anyway, #adium for this if you're interested |
| 05:39.06 | Catfish_Man | gets back on topic ;) |
| 05:39.21 | robbyoconnor | Manca: ideally you should stick around |
| 05:39.26 | robbyoconnor | but you're not "required" to |
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| 05:40.03 | Manca | sure... what do you mean robby? |
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| 05:49.08 | robbyoconnor | Manca: technically if you have time -- you work on the project -- but you're obligated to do the work for GSoC. |
| 05:49.16 | robbyoconnor | as you're being paid for it |
| 05:49.38 | Manca | Of course |
| 05:49.56 | Manca | i dunnot what does it have to do with me talking with catfish_man about adium :D ? |
| 05:49.56 | Manca | lol |
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| 05:58.27 | robbyoconnor | Manca: you asked if you should stick around :) |
| 05:58.32 | robbyoconnor | answer is yes :) |
| 05:59.21 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: i havent found apple org in accepted list is it there under any other org?? |
| 05:59.45 | Catfish_Man | I'm not aware of many (any?) mac-related projects this year |
| 05:59.48 | Catfish_Man | it's a shame |
| 06:00.47 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: are you answering me?? |
| 06:00.55 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 06:01.20 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: what do you mean by that?? |
| 06:01.28 | [mharrison] | o.O |
| 06:01.32 | Catfish_Man | uh... there aren't any? |
| 06:01.42 | [mharrison] | The game |
| 06:01.59 | Manca | robby: i don't remember asking that |
| 06:02.00 | Manca | lol |
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| 06:02.17 | enthus_ | ok...u mean that your org name is mac?? |
| 06:02.24 | Catfish_Man | ...no |
| 06:02.30 | Catfish_Man | I'm not participating in gsoc |
| 06:02.56 | Catfish_Man | just helping out on irc |
| 06:03.14 | enthus_ | Oh..thats very nice of you |
| 06:03.16 | enthus_ | :-) |
| 06:03.20 | enthus_ | ;) |
| 06:04.39 | [mharrison] | Catfish_Man, no Adium this year, or just no Catfish_Man ? |
| 06:04.39 | robbyoconnor | somebody did!~ |
| 06:04.48 | Catfish_Man | [mharrison]: both |
| 06:04.51 | robbyoconnor | Manca: go write your application! |
| 06:05.01 | robbyoconnor | Pidgin is participating |
| 06:05.04 | robbyoconnor | so apply there :) |
| 06:05.11 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: though seems a silly question ..are there any org that take only newbies?? |
| 06:05.21 | robbyoconnor | adium is just libpurple with a cocoa UI :) |
| 06:05.25 | Catfish_Man | no, not that I'm aware of |
| 06:05.31 | [mharrison] | Wow, GSoC without Adium...my how times have changed |
| 06:05.37 | Catfish_Man | :( yes |
| 06:05.44 | enthus_ | Catfish_Man: ohk.. |
| 06:05.47 | robbyoconnor | enthus_: be prepared to shine |
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| 06:06.02 | Manca | :) |
| 06:06.23 | enthus_ | robbyoconnor: means????? |
| 06:06.47 | robbyoconnor | enthus_: precisely what I said -- your proposal has to be REALLLLLLY good :) |
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| 06:07.03 | enthus_ | ok...got you.. |
| 06:07.03 | robbyoconnor | show stuff you've done. |
| 06:07.20 | robbyoconnor | show a clear plan of what you'll do |
| 06:07.41 | robbyoconnor | you can modify that plan later on but show them you know your project and can break it up into small, manageable pieces |
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| 06:09.01 | enthus_ | robbyoconnor: can we change the plan once we have got selected??i mean the timeline we produce in proposal?? |
| 06:09.50 | robbyoconnor | yes! |
| 06:09.58 | robbyoconnor | that's preciselty what is aid |
| 06:10.06 | robbyoconnor | <robbyoconnor> you can modify that plan later on but show them you know your project and can break it up into small, manageable pieces |
| 06:10.22 | robbyoconnor | you have some serious reading comprehension skills here |
| 06:11.40 | Manca | lol |
| 06:12.14 | robbyoconnor | even when it's RIGHT in front of your face |
| 06:12.44 | Manca | he's not seen it man... chill |
| 06:12.55 | robbyoconnor | keep in mind you have VERY little time to actually complete it -- 3 months (that's not a lot if you think about it) |
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| 06:21.49 | enthus_ | ok |
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| 07:08.01 | ebo | I have a question about possibly submitting an "alternate" proposal. |
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| 07:09.50 | ebo | the accepted orgs have been concerned about reviewing the portion of my work which are outside of their specialty. If I have someone from an accepted org work as a technical mentor woth that be a conflict of interest? |
| 07:10.23 | ebo | s/woth/would/ |
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| 07:11.34 | ebo | the overall project covers multiscale ecological modeling and issues in applied ecology. |
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| 07:12.40 | dhaun | ebo: what do you mean by conflict of interest? because it could somehow be seen as an additional slot for that org? |
| 07:13.08 | ebo | dhaun: I was concerned it might look that way. |
| 07:13.13 | robbyoconnor | sighs |
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| 07:14.43 | ebo | there is also the issue that the ecologists have no idea what I am up to on a technical level, but get it from a theoretic level. They really cannot judge my programming. |
| 07:14.59 | dhaun | I guess in the end you'd have to ask Google / carols, but if the org wouldn't have accepted the proposal otherwise, I don't really see a problem here |
| 07:15.41 | ebo | robbyoconnor: am I the reason for the sigh? I would rather get clearification than cause anyone problems. |
| 07:15.59 | robbyoconnor | no, it's me |
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| 07:16.09 | robbyoconnor | I want this badly |
| 07:16.25 | robbyoconnor | I got it the past 2 years |
| 07:16.29 | robbyoconnor | i think ill go to bed |
| 07:17.46 | ebo | I should also note, that I have turned in 3 draft applications to the org covering parts of what I want to do, and have not hit them with the final proposal yet. |
| 07:18.09 | ebo | robbyoconnor: understand... happy dreams ;-) |
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| 07:18.35 | robbyoconnor | ebo: keep going |
| 07:18.42 | robbyoconnor | I'm trying to figure out what they want |
| 07:18.47 | robbyoconnor | I got to the project plan part |
| 07:18.53 | robbyoconnor | I think I know what to put |
| 07:19.00 | robbyoconnor | just trying to figure out how to do it |
| 07:19.13 | robbyoconnor | Weekly goals help me |
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| 07:24.28 | ebo | dhaun: I'll try to work this out with the appropriate mentors on the org side. One of the draft proposals focus on an aspect of the problem and they might accept that, but the heart of my research is about multiscale integrative modeling and that is outside their confort zone. So, there are pieces/parts which they might otherwise accept, but probably not from that perspective. I'll go ahead and continue working on thigs and then contact Carols if |
| 07:24.29 | ebo | it looks appropriate. |
| 07:25.32 | dhaun | sounds like a plan :) |
| 07:25.45 | ebo | dhaun: thanks for all your help! |
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| 07:30.59 | tontoto | i'm just thinking that you should be careful with the 'alternative application' it seems very difficult to pull off |
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| 07:33.46 | robbyoconnor | NIICE |
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| 08:32.37 | glider_ | salve a tutti |
| 08:32.56 | glider_ | c'? qualcuno ke puo aiutarmi con ubuntu??? |
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| 08:33.26 | dhaun | try English and an Ubuntu channel ... |
| 08:34.03 | kblin | or an ubuntu channel in your language :) |
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| 08:35.07 | glider_ | c'? nessuno ke pu? aiutarmi con ubuntu? |
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| 08:35.55 | kblin | glider_: you'll also want to use utf8 in your IRC client :) |
| 08:36.11 | kblin | oh, and |
| 08:36.12 | kblin | !gsoc |
| 08:36.13 | socinfo | "gsoc" is gsoc refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoire-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
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| 08:40.01 | danderson | also, hint: private messaging me because I happen to be an operator will not get you help. |
| 08:40.08 | danderson | It will, however, piss me off |
| 08:40.39 | bawr | ...wow. Shame roby's not here, we're missing out on some quality rants. |
| 08:40.42 | danderson | because I don't really have the time or inclination to provide one-on-one personalized service to the 300 or so people on the channel |
| 08:40.56 | danderson | that's why there's a channel for pete's sake. |
| 08:41.08 | |Kev| | But what if you're not Pete? :) |
| 08:43.34 | thebolt | hi |
| 08:43.46 | bawr | Hello again. |
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| 08:53.49 | |Kev| | We have a winner in the race for application that shoots themselves in the foot (so far) |
| 08:54.25 | |Kev| | On our application template (XMPP Standards Foundation), we have "Jabber ID (It's a good idea to at least have an XMPP account if you're applying!):" |
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| 08:54.43 | ebo | tontoto: sorry for the delay, what in particular are you refering to by being difficult to pull off? I just want to make sure we are on the same page. |
| 08:54.44 | |Kev| | We have an application that says they don't have one, and couldn't work out how to get one. |
| 08:55.01 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: Google talk is XMPP |
| 08:55.08 | robbyoconnor | if only they had a brain... |
| 08:55.13 | |Kev| | That's not really selling themselves as being a high-flying achiever. |
| 08:55.21 | |Kev| | robbyoconnor: Yes, believe it or not I was aware of that :) |
| 08:55.36 | patrick42h | later |
| 08:55.37 | robbyoconnor | |Kev| : i was more poking fun at the applicant |
| 08:55.38 | robbyoconnor | :) |
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| 08:55.57 | |Kev| | And yes, the email address they give is a gmail account. |
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| 08:56.15 | robbyoconnor | so they do indeed have an XMPP account -- they're just too dumb to realize |
| 08:56.17 | robbyoconnor | NEXT! |
| 08:56.35 | robbyoconnor | kinda sad |
| 08:56.57 | |Kev| | Well, it's a useful competence filter. |
| 08:57.03 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: yeh |
| 08:57.14 | mlankhorst | dude i want to work on xmpp, whats xmpp? |
| 08:57.19 | mlankhorst | :> |
| 08:57.20 | bawr | |Kev|: ...wow. |
| 08:57.24 | bawr | Just wow. |
| 08:57.43 | |Kev| | mlankhorst: well, it gets better. |
| 08:57.44 | robbyoconnor | just recently figured out that FB Chat uses XMPP so that IM clients can more easily integrate |
| 08:57.56 | robbyoconnor | ...yet the site *STILL* blows |
| 08:58.07 | |Kev| | robbyoconnor: well, it's a very limited subset at the moment. |
| 08:58.11 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 08:58.19 | |Kev| | They've only just exposed it, so maybe they'll expand that. |
| 08:58.22 | |Kev| | "Description of project: (This should be as you see and understand it, not copy/pasted off the ideas page)" |
| 08:58.49 | |Kev| | So he (same student) now copy/pastes no less than 6 proposals in one block. |
| 08:58.54 | robbyoconnor | that reminds me to switch mine up lol |
| 08:59.10 | robbyoconnor | wait |
| 08:59.13 | robbyoconnor | 6 proposals? |
| 08:59.15 | robbyoconnor | for one app? |
| 08:59.29 | |Kev| | I'm also fond of his timeline. |
| 08:59.30 | mlankhorst | :} |
| 08:59.32 | |Kev| | "About 6 weeks" |
| 08:59.38 | robbyoconnor | jesus |
| 08:59.38 | mlankhorst | awesome |
| 08:59.48 | robbyoconnor | I kinda did the same |
| 09:00.02 | mlankhorst | the best one I remember was a one liner in the title, copy pasted in the description |
| 09:00.09 | mlankhorst | surely nobody can be that stupid? :( |
| 09:00.12 | |Kev| | Ah, but that's not as bad, really. |
| 09:00.18 | |Kev| | That's someone who's clearly a lazy moron. |
| 09:00.33 | mlankhorst | maybe, IF THE TITLE MADE SENSE |
| 09:00.37 | |Kev| | This guy has gone to the (limited, granted) effort of answering the questions. |
| 09:01.03 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: heh I may have copy/pasted the abstract -- but my time line will be detailed |
| 09:01.11 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 09:01.37 | |Kev| | Copy/pasting the abstract would probably get someone ignored by me. |
| 09:01.56 | |Kev| | I do have "not copy/pasted off the ideas page", though. |
| 09:02.03 | robbyoconnor | sighs |
| 09:02.18 | |Kev| | It's there as a competence filter to see if applicants can read :) |
| 09:02.25 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: thanks |
| 09:02.29 | robbyoconnor | you're helping me heaps |
| 09:02.44 | |Kev| | Well, presumably your template didn't say "Don't copy/paste here", or you wouldn't have done it :p |
| 09:02.45 | robbyoconnor | I *DO NOT* wanna be the "I have no clue what the fuck im doing" |
| 09:02.53 | robbyoconnor | language sorry |
| 09:03.02 | robbyoconnor | dont wanna teach dmitri bad words lol |
| 09:03.06 | |Kev| | Our form does. |
| 09:03.38 | robbyoconnor | i *DID* copy/pasye future work though but added one of my own |
| 09:03.45 | robbyoconnor | it made sense |
| 09:04.17 | robbyoconnor | i figured KISS applied just get the basic work done as a first pass -- then go back and make it flashy |
| 09:04.25 | mlankhorst | personally I am more interested in proposals that can get merged while the work is still ongoing |
| 09:04.53 | ebo | mlankhorst: what do you mean by "merged" |
| 09:05.09 | robbyoconnor | ebo: added to the codebase and released while you work on it. |
| 09:05.19 | ebo | ahhh... |
| 09:05.19 | robbyoconnor | or added to the main source tree. |
| 09:05.27 | ebo | right. |
| 09:05.28 | robbyoconnor | may not be released |
| 09:05.52 | mlankhorst | quiteoften the work disappeared because the student didn't do anything after it was over.. |
| 09:06.05 | ebo | I thought he ment to applications, and I cound not figure out how the GSoC applications could be merged while working on them... |
| 09:06.27 | ebo | I see. |
| 09:06.54 | robbyoconnor | mlankhorst: annoying |
| 09:07.18 | robbyoconnor | mlankhorst: i actually refactored mine and worked on and off until like 2 weeks ago and released it |
| 09:07.33 | robbyoconnor | waiting on community feedback |
| 09:07.34 | robbyoconnor | :/ |
| 09:07.40 | robbyoconnor | which is slow as hell |
| 09:07.51 | ebo | it looks like tontoto has left. Can anyone elaborate on his comment about being to difficult to pull off? |
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| 09:08.01 | mlankhorst | yeah but I tend to vote more for proposals that know how hard it is to get code merged :) |
| 09:08.19 | mlankhorst | and add time for it in the timeline |
| 09:08.37 | robbyoconnor | mlankhorst: mine is a project seperate -- so it's not something that gets "merged" |
| 09:08.51 | robbyoconnor | er english fail |
| 09:09.16 | ebo | robbyoconnor: you are making sense. |
| 09:09.27 | dhaun | ebo: applying to Google as mentoring org is a rare case and they only accept a few students every year - he was proobably referring to that |
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| 09:09.40 | ebo | ok. |
| 09:10.02 | robbyoconnor | you need to really tlook at the project and figure out "can I do this? do I have the skills?" |
| 09:10.34 | robbyoconnor | for example: I have a severe handicap: I have to learn python WHILE working within the time constraints of GSoC |
| 09:10.34 | ebo | Does that meant that I would be the mentoring org and well as student? taht was not clear in the description. |
| 09:10.38 | robbyoconnor | so |Kev| helped me HEAPS |
| 09:10.52 | robbyoconnor | all it takes is one guy who knows python *AND* has a kickass app |
| 09:11.05 | mlankhorst | And be prepared to deal with variations of "that's ugly" and "you can't do that" |
| 09:11.34 | mlankhorst | which usuall ymeans you have to rewrite parts of your code |
| 09:12.09 | robbyoconnor | I have a reason for doing what I'm doing :) |
| 09:12.17 | robbyoconnor | part of it: I'm insane, but that's a given |
| 09:12.26 | robbyoconnor | and I can't say more :) |
| 09:12.28 | ebo | As for my skills, I wrote a fully functional prototype nearly a decade ago, but to make it useful I need to sure a better underlying infrastructure/OS. |
| 09:12.38 | robbyoconnor | good luck |
| 09:12.41 | |Kev| | After previous years of having trouble getting stuff merged, I'm coming to the conclusion that mentors (or others in the project) should do weekly code reviews during gsoc. |
| 09:12.53 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 09:12.54 | mlankhorst | yeah |
| 09:13.02 | robbyoconnor | I need weekly code reviews |
| 09:13.05 | kblin | mlankhorst: ping |
| 09:13.10 | mlankhorst | kblin: pong |
| 09:13.15 | |Kev| | robbyoconnor: I'm not trying to be unhelpful, far from it, just honest about these things from my perspective. |
| 09:13.16 | mlankhorst | yeah I know, didnt get time with easter |
| 09:13.22 | ebo | I know the ecology and programming, but plan9 is a different beasty. |
| 09:13.28 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: oh no you're helping me |
| 09:13.41 | robbyoconnor | I need to really knock this thing out of the ball park as I said i have a handicap |
| 09:13.55 | robbyoconnor | not knowing python (the language this thing is written in) |
| 09:13.56 | kblin | mlankhorst: this is your reminder about the org homepage :) |
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| 09:14.20 | robbyoconnor | my one thing i can absolutely use is my ethusiasm |
| 09:14.24 | robbyoconnor | and drive |
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| 09:14.33 | robbyoconnor | the fact i'm a hard worker |
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| 09:14.40 | mlankhorst | kblin: I know, already replied ;) |
| 09:14.43 | robbyoconnor | that's about all I got :) |
| 09:14.58 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: you've helped me a lot |
| 09:15.04 | robbyoconnor | I marked the abstract to be changed |
| 09:15.59 | mlankhorst | wine's main problem is maintainability, it has existed for over 15 years now, so readable maintainable code is more important than hecks :) |
| 09:17.15 | robbyoconnor | |Kev|: seriously thanks a bunch -- sincerely |
| 09:17.21 | mlankhorst | hacks* |
| 09:17.24 | |Kev| | You're welcome. |
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| 09:18.26 | robbyoconnor | somebody should write tips some place for good apps |
| 09:18.27 | robbyoconnor | examples of bad apps |
| 09:18.33 | robbyoconnor | etc |
| 09:19.15 | mlankhorst | good apps can be tested :) |
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| 09:19.49 | kblin | er, I thought there were some good apps out there |
| 09:20.01 | robbyoconnor | good PROPOSALS |
| 09:20.14 | robbyoconnor | im off to see the wizard... er get ready |
| 09:20.20 | kblin | sure, that's what I meant |
| 09:20.24 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
| 09:20.36 | kblin | I wonder if there's an iPhone app to write GSoC apps ;) |
| 09:20.43 | robbyoconnor | LOL... |
| 09:20.53 | robbyoconnor | that'd be an example of a BADDDDDDDDD PROPSAL!!!! |
| 09:20.53 | |Kev| | I wonder how much money you could make writing one, given there's $5k at stake :) |
| 09:20.58 | mlankhorst | erm |
| 09:21.27 | mlankhorst | any question you would launch would already show you have no clue what you are talking about, so i dont think that would work :) |
| 09:22.31 | robbyoconnor | LOL |
| 09:22.38 | bawr | mlankhorst: Define "work". I'm sure we could sell an app like that to a lot of simpletons. ;) |
| 09:22.42 | bawr | That would work for me. :) |
| 09:22.45 | robbyoconnor | I wouldn't trust my app to an android phone written by an idiot lol |
| 09:22.57 | bawr | The fact that they still wouldn't be accepted is just icing on the cake. |
| 09:22.59 | robbyoconnor | $5k is A LOT |
| 09:23.03 | mlankhorst | haha |
| 09:23.43 | robbyoconnor | I dunno how to do this WITHOUT copy/pasting from the wiki the "Extra" work |
| 09:23.51 | robbyoconnor | I added some of my own st7uff though! \ |
| 09:23.53 | robbyoconnor | :( |
| 09:24.00 | robbyoconnor | ugh |
| 09:24.12 | |Kev| | robbyoconnor: the reason I want to see not copy/paste is just to show that the applicant understands it. |
| 09:24.16 | kblin | rephrase using your own words? |
| 09:24.19 | mlankhorst | the iphone app will log into your google account, look through all your mail and tries to log into sites like paypal with your credentials and sell your address to spammers |
| 09:24.22 | mlankhorst | *smirk* |
| 09:24.26 | |Kev| | Simply paraphrasing it competently is all I'd like. |
| 09:24.34 | robbyoconnor | I'll paraphrase each item |
| 09:24.37 | robbyoconnor | I'm good at that |
| 09:24.46 | |Kev| | Of course, other orgs, other requirements... |
| 09:24.53 | bawr | mlankhorst: That's icing on the icing. ;) |
| 09:25.04 | mlankhorst | all the while not writing a proposals |
| 09:25.06 | robbyoconnor | I have a mentor that's in NZ |
| 09:25.07 | mlankhorst | -s |
| 09:25.08 | robbyoconnor | i'm in the US |
| 09:25.13 | robbyoconnor | time zones are insane!! |
| 09:25.17 | kblin | mlankhorst: as if there'd be any money left in account after buying the iphone :) |
| 09:25.23 | kblin | robbyoconnor: dunno |
| 09:25.34 | bawr | |Kev|: So for XMPP, this is basically a reading comprehension test, you couldn't care less about them copy-pasting the abstracts otherwise? |
| 09:25.46 | robbyoconnor | bawr: understand the project |
| 09:25.48 | robbyoconnor | and be able to do it! |
| 09:25.57 | kblin | robbyoconnor: during my first gsoc I was mentored by a californian and an australian |
| 09:26.03 | Amtal | The trick to collaborating across timezones is always ask if you can ask a question. And say things like "you there? I wanna ask you something" a lot. |
| 09:26.03 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 09:26.06 | robbyoconnor | ok im out |
| 09:26.17 | robbyoconnor | Amtal: lucky for me i work all nigth! |
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| 09:26.19 | robbyoconnor | zaph |
| 09:26.21 | robbyoconnor | Zeiris |
| 09:26.23 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 09:26.31 | kblin | Zeiris: or just "mentor: ping?" |
| 09:26.33 | robbyoconnor | zaphL wrong tab complete LOL |
| 09:26.39 | robbyoconnor | im off |
| 09:26.44 | |Kev| | bawr: to an extent, yes. The timeline is where you show a lot more about your understanding. |
| 09:26.44 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: i am starting a company with one guy in san francisco and one in taipei.. ;) |
| 09:26.53 | robbyoconnor | nice |
| 09:26.58 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: try to find a good meeting time (i am in central europe) |
| 09:27.02 | bawr | Zeiris: Well, I use email a lot, which sidesteps most of the timezone issues. |
| 09:27.12 | bawr | Also! |
| 09:27.13 | robbyoconnor | I honestly feel under qualified |
| 09:27.22 | bawr | Keeping odd, odd hours helps. :) |
| 09:27.23 | |Kev| | bawr: I think the reading comprehension is important, though - we've had students before that were bright and capable, but didn't do well in gsoc because they insisted on doing things their own way, rather than what they needed to do. |
| 09:27.25 | kblin | thebolt: taipei is what? |
| 09:27.26 | robbyoconnor | and that's not a good way to feel |
| 09:27.59 | kblin | !canidoit |
| 09:27.59 | socinfo | "canidoit" is Think of it as an iterative learning process. Until the application deadline, you need to learn enough to convince people that you can learn the minimum to get started by the beginning of the summer, and you can learn enough to finish the project by the end of the summer |
| 09:28.04 | mlankhorst | Zeiris: depends, it's easier to ask through mail in that case |
| 09:28.05 | kblin | robbyoconnor: ^^^ |
| 09:28.07 | |Kev| | robbyoconnor: I hold first class honours, a PhD, a decent job, I wrote a book on XMPP, and I chair the XMPP Council, and I feel perpetually underqualified. I think it's a good sign :) |
| 09:28.36 | thebolt | kblin: utc+8 |
| 09:28.36 | robbyoconnor | so i'm sitting here typing this thing and having the voice in my head say "why are you doing this, chances are you won't get chosen" |
| 09:28.43 | Zeiris | Just for the record, I was joking about the asking-to-ask and "you there?" thing :) |
| 09:28.49 | kblin | thebolt: ah, durn. that's not big enough an offset |
| 09:29.11 | thebolt | kblin: there will always be someone who have to do a midnihgt-or-later meetingtime |
| 09:29.26 | robbyoconnor | kblin: i dont even know how to do it |
| 09:29.29 | kblin | thebolt: when we did worldforge meetings, we'd usually meet friday or saturday evening UTC |
| 09:29.31 | robbyoconnor | what I can do to show them |
| 09:29.37 | robbyoconnor | I just feel...ugh |
| 09:29.45 | robbyoconnor | i gotta go |
| 09:29.55 | bawr | Bye, robby. |
| 09:29.59 | |Kev| | Bibi. |
| 09:30.14 | kblin | thebolt: it'd be morning for the kiwis and aussies, afternoon for the US folks and evening for the europeans |
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| 09:30.54 | thebolt | kblin: yea.. |
| 09:30.57 | kblin | but only 6 hours of difference is too little for that to really work |
| 09:31.38 | robbyoconnor | NZ -> NY,USA |
| 09:31.47 | kblin | you could all switch to a 30hour day |
| 09:31.59 | robbyoconnor | this could be interesting but will force me to work independently |
| 09:32.04 | robbyoconnor | I had a mentor in the same TZ as me |
| 09:32.12 | kblin | robbyoconnor: I had that in 2007 |
| 09:32.12 | thebolt | kblin: for ageia we had offices in CE(S)T, PDT, CDT and China-time.. it was always the chinese that were screwed over :P |
| 09:32.32 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I think i can do ti |
| 09:32.47 | robbyoconnor | I'm trying to break up the tasks as my mentor set up |
| 09:32.51 | bawr | kblin: Why? I get good results going to sleep @ 18:00 and waking up ~01:00. :) |
| 09:32.53 | robbyoconnor | and see how I can do this |
| 09:32.54 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 09:32.59 | thebolt | kblin: although, for us we will soon be down to two time-zones (sweden & taipei) |
| 09:33.05 | robbyoconnor | I worked i think 80+ hrs a week |
| 09:33.10 | bawr | Granted, if I had a life, that'd be unservicable. |
| 09:33.17 | bawr | Good thing I don't. :) |
| 09:33.19 | robbyoconnor | EASY |
| 09:33.20 | kblin | robbyoconnor: had more difficulties meeting my mentor in the same TZ than meeting with an AUSsie and a californian |
| 09:33.35 | robbyoconnor | kblin: heh mine was good |
| 09:33.53 | robbyoconnor | I tried to work more independently and try to solve problems on my own before bugging him |
| 09:33.58 | kblin | robbyoconnor: well, the problem was that my mentor tended to sleep at weird times |
| 09:33.59 | robbyoconnor | only did so when i hit a wall |
| 09:34.08 | robbyoconnor | LOL ouch |
| 09:35.55 | bawr | kblin: This is why USA mentors are perfect for me even though I'm from Europe. :) |
| 09:37.08 | kblin | anyway, email communication works as well, and no matter what the time-zone difference is, you can usually arrange for this |
| 09:37.22 | kblin | I recently spent a lot of time pair-programming with an australian |
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| 10:41.52 | aleksei | Hello everybody! |
| 10:41.55 | aleksei | :) |
| 10:42.16 | aleksei | can I answer a question about participating in GSoC |
| 10:42.19 | aleksei | ? |
| 10:42.23 | smtms | aleksei, you can answer it |
| 10:43.06 | Upthorn | but not until it has been asked. |
| 10:43.15 | aleksei | ok |
| 10:43.35 | aleksei | great :) so, my question sounds something like that: I'll graduate my university in this July (I'm form Russia) |
| 10:44.07 | aleksei | and can I participate in GSoC? |
| 10:44.13 | ThomasWaldmann | see faq |
| 10:44.16 | Upthorn | I believe you can participate this summer |
| 10:44.20 | smtms | aleksei, this question is answered in the FAQ |
| 10:44.23 | Upthorn | but let me double check |
| 10:44.47 | Upthorn | aleksei: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#graduate |
| 10:44.59 | Upthorn | yes, you can participate this year. |
| 10:45.01 | aleksei | > aleksei, this question is answered in the FAQ |
| 10:45.01 | aleksei | excuse me, seems I was inattentive :-[ |
| 10:45.13 | aleksei | thank you for your responses :) |
| 10:45.17 | Upthorn | unless you graduate 3 months early |
| 10:45.25 | ThomasWaldmann | aleksei: the question maybe rather is whether you have enough time to participate |
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| 10:46.16 | aleksei | I'm sure that I'll have enough time |
| 10:48.12 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, then you just need to hurry a bit, finding a good project, writing a good application for it |
| 10:50.01 | aleksei | > ThomasWaldmann (05.04.2010 14:48) |
| 10:50.01 | aleksei | > ok, then you just need to hurry a bit, finding a good project, writing a good application for it |
| 10:50.01 | aleksei | yeah, I'm in the process of writing and discussing application for mono project. |
| 10:50.31 | aleksei | thanks again for your support |
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| 10:57.46 | therealmarv | Hello, is it still possible to apply to projects? Or is it too late? |
| 10:58.28 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 10:58.28 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 10:58.29 | Upthorn | there are 4 days remaining |
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| 10:58.57 | Upthorn | and 8 hours. |
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| 10:59.10 | dhaun | !countdown |
| 10:59.10 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 10:59.52 | Zeiris | 104 hours eh. I bet I can stay up that long. |
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| 11:04.36 | therealmarv | ok, I will do my best to apply. Hopefully I will manage it to contact all the organizations I want to apply for. |
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| 11:40.09 | lolfrenz | it's not mandatory for students to have proposals is it? |
| 11:40.37 | |Kev| | ? |
| 11:41.11 | epps | lolreadthefaq |
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| 11:46.53 | kblin | lolfrenz: you can propose an idea from the org's ideas list, but you'll have to submit a student proposal via the socghop site |
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| 11:48.30 | al1943 | !help |
| 11:48.31 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 11:49.27 | al1943 | hi, is there a limit on the length of a proposal as previous years? |
| 11:50.18 | vgvgf | al1943, there is a limit of characters for the abstract |
| 11:52.21 | schumaml | and keep in mind that mentors may have a limited attention span :) |
| 11:52.38 | vgvgf | however, you shouldn't make the proporsal too long. Just include relevant details |
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| 12:01.00 | al1943 | vgvgf, thanks for the hints! |
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| 12:06.01 | x` | is there anything else i have to do besides submitting a proposal, any other bureaucratic details that i have to fill out before april 9? |
| 12:06.13 | x` | such as tax forms or whatever, or is that only after you are accepted? |
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| 12:07.25 | x` | it (faq and user's guide) says that the application is not complete until the relevant tax forms and proofs of student status are provided ... until what date should these be provided? |
| 12:07.52 | vgvgvgf | x`, you don't need to fill any tax form or other document yet, only after you are accepted |
| 12:08.24 | x` | thanks, that's what i wanted to know |
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| 12:08.36 | vgvgvgf | you should contact the project mentors in these time, if you haven't already |
| 12:08.45 | vgvgvgf | *this |
| 12:09.23 | safal_soni | vgvgvgf:how to contact the project mentors |
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| 12:11.19 | lolfrenz | you can participate on gsoc if you're in high-school, right? (as long as you're 18) |
| 12:11.38 | cygal | yes |
| 12:11.48 | lolfrenz | I'm on the last year and I'll be a graduate by the time the coding starts |
| 12:11.49 | vgvgvgf | safal_soni, it depends on the project you are applying, maybe they have an irc channel, a mail list, forums or by emails |
| 12:12.21 | lolfrenz | cygal, but do you think it's likely for me to actually get a proposal accepted? |
| 12:12.39 | cygal | it only depends on the proposal :) |
| 12:12.43 | cygal | but you're eligible |
| 12:13.23 | lolfrenz | thanks |
| 12:18.08 | x` | vgvgvgf: no worries, i've been in contact with the mentors since before student application period |
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| 12:21.49 | safal_soni | vgvgvgf:how many proposals can we submit & to how many organisations |
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| 12:22.00 | Migi32 | I thought the limit was 20/student |
| 12:22.08 | dhaun | !faq |
| 12:22.08 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 12:22.12 | Migi32 | but you really shouldn't apply for that many |
| 12:22.19 | dhaun | ^^^ it's all in there ... |
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| 12:24.08 | GuiGuiZero | Hello everyone |
| 12:24.40 | Migi32 | if you apply for a project and for some reason it turns out your planning is unreasonable and you won't be able to finish the project, do you automatically fail the project? |
| 12:25.22 | Migi32 | I mean, it turns out to be unreasonable after you've been accepted, due to something like unforeseen programming difficulties |
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| 12:26.16 | dhaun | Migi32: student and mentor can agree on a revised project plan |
| 12:26.23 | Migi32 | ok |
| 12:28.33 | GuiGuiZero | I'm registering as student and i don't know what i have to write in "Major Subject" for the university. I'm french and i'm not sure what it is. Can you help me? |
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| 12:29.22 | skbohra | GuiGuiZero: you need to enter course name you are enrolled in |
| 12:29.39 | skbohra | something like Computer Science in my case |
| 12:30.04 | GuiGuiZero | ok ok |
| 12:30.06 | GuiGuiZero | thank you |
| 12:30.39 | safal_soni | vgvgvgf:how many proposals can we submit & to how many organisations |
| 12:30.43 | schumaml | dict.leo.org claims "matière principale" |
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| 12:31.28 | dhaun | safal_soni: please read the faq |
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| 12:32.11 | schumaml | an answer that's not in the faq is "too many for all of them to be good" ;) |
| 12:33.05 | safal_soni | dhaun:i have read but can a same application be submitted to more than one organisatioin |
| 12:33.45 | dhaun | it could, but applications should be tailored to the org |
| 12:34.00 | dhaun | you shouldn't spam people with generic applications ... |
| 12:34.13 | schumaml | and if it matches both orgs, please tell them about this |
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| 12:55.40 | vegard | <3 HTML input in the application form |
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| 12:56.06 | rizzo0917 | anyone know anything about the google caja org, i am having a hard time contacting anyone |
| 12:56.33 | int3 | I'm not sure if I missed this in the FAQs but... if you're lucky enough to get accepted into more than one organization, how is it sorted out? |
| 12:56.44 | int3 | do you get to choose, or do they fight over you without letting you know |
| 12:57.09 | vegard | int3: check schedule for april 21 |
| 12:57.12 | kblin | orgs may ask you, but they're not required to |
| 12:57.23 | vegard | int3: # IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students - timing TBD, will be announced well in advance |
| 12:58.40 | int3 | ah yeah... that looks familiar. it doesn't say if you'll be invited to the meeting though :P i'm guessing that they don't, based on kblin's answer? |
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| 13:02.07 | kblin | int3: there's no time to ask at the meeting |
| 13:02.34 | kblin | hopefully most of the dups are already resolved at the meeting, if you're asked, you're asked well before that |
| 13:03.00 | kblin | int3: but basically, don't apply if I don't want to work on a specific project |
| 13:03.00 | int3 | i see... okay, thanks for the info (: |
| 13:03.27 | int3 | well... surely we can have preferences |
| 13:03.28 | int3 | heh |
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| 13:05.14 | kblin | right, but say in case one org has a couple of good backup proposals and the other org hasn't, it's likely that the conflicting student will end up at the second org without the mentors asking the student |
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| 13:05.53 | int3 | yep, makes sense |
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| 13:28.02 | dreimark | does one know if students are subscribed on default to their proposal page? |
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| 13:31.41 | safal_soni | jaideep__:ur project proposal |
| 13:31.48 | bawr | vegard: Did you type in bare HTML, or use something like Markdown? :) |
| 13:31.56 | safal_soni | jaideep__:have u prepared it |
| 13:32.10 | bawr | dreimark: Unfortunately, no. |
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| 14:06.10 | iamherealive | How do I delete my Google Summer of Codes profile? |
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| 14:08.53 | schumaml | the mentor and admin profile pages have a delete button |
| 14:09.01 | schumaml | but I guess you've noticed that |
| 14:10.24 | iamherealive | No I have registered as a student last year. I want to delete it now |
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| 14:14.58 | iamherealive | How do I delete my student profile in Google Summer of Codes? |
| 14:16.09 | skbohra | iamherealive: theres a link in left menu |
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| 14:20.56 | MMlosh | Do I need to have a publicly available photograph to participate? |
| 14:22.48 | thiago | no |
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| 14:23.50 | WarrenB | so how many people on average apply to GSoC every year? |
| 14:24.00 | thiago | thousands |
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| 14:26.29 | VDVsx | 8000+ proposals last year, afaik |
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| 14:27.03 | arjunvj3 | whoa! |
| 14:27.15 | danderson | 7000 iirc |
| 14:27.20 | danderson | but from only 3000 students |
| 14:27.29 | niku03 | anyone with earlier gsoc experience ? |
| 14:27.31 | thiago | only 3000 students? |
| 14:27.40 | thiago | so a 1:3 chance of getting accepted? |
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| 14:27.56 | danderson | !chances |
| 14:27.57 | socinfo | Error: "chances" is not a valid command. |
| 14:27.59 | danderson | !chance |
| 14:27.59 | socinfo | Error: "chance" is not a valid command. |
| 14:28.01 | x` | :D |
| 14:28.02 | danderson | blargh |
| 14:28.04 | x` | haha |
| 14:28.06 | danderson | !probability |
| 14:28.06 | socinfo | Error: "probability" is not a valid command. |
| 14:28.09 | danderson | !screwyou |
| 14:28.10 | socinfo | Error: "screwyou" is not a valid command. |
| 14:29.05 | danderson | wait, wtf, that thing is running on my server?! |
| 14:29.21 | danderson | well, damn, so it is. |
| 14:30.09 | x` | it has daddy issues |
| 14:30.11 | BarryCarlyon | !timeline |
| 14:30.11 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 14:30.56 | dhaun | 2009 stats: "we received nearly 5,900 proposals from just under 3,500 student applicants" |
| 14:30.58 | dhaun | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html |
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| 14:34.22 | skbohra | i think this year org selection wasnt upto mark imo I dont have facts to prove it though |
| 14:35.33 | skbohra | but i felt like looking into all orgs and their projects |
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| 14:38.40 | lemmy | Hi, I participated in last year's GSoC and am wondering how I best file GSoC in my German annual tax declaration. Any hints? |
| 14:39.12 | Ivanovic | lemmy: as freelance work |
| 14:39.32 | nmudgal | skbohra: though i will be applying first time but felt it so because i too went through the last years list & this years too & don't have facts too. |
| 14:39.52 | Ivanovic | aka "Einkommen aus selbstständiger Arbeit" |
| 14:40.09 | lemmy | Ivanovic: What conversion rate did you use? |
| 14:40.24 | Ivanovic | lemmy: though we are not lawyers in here, so if you are not sure, consult your tex consultant... |
| 14:40.38 | Ivanovic | lemmy: i was not an SoC student, do i did use no conversion |
| 14:41.08 | Ivanovic | and yeah, conversion rate is a lovely thing |
| 14:41.29 | Ivanovic | personally i'd go for: look up the rate as of the three times you were paid and convert each time seperately |
| 14:41.53 | Ivanovic | and as appendix add a doc explaining this |
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| 14:42.33 | Ivanovic | (that is: in the tax declaration you just enter the sum and in the appendix you explain how you come to this sum) |
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| 14:43.30 | lemmy | Ivanovic: make sense to me, thanks. |
| 14:43.52 | Ivanovic | lemmy: that is at least what i would do, though i don't know any law about this and the likes |
| 14:44.20 | Ivanovic | (as in "common sense tells me to...", even though common sense is not always applicable when it comes to a tax declaration) |
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| 14:44.36 | lemmy | Ivanovic: well, I guess I am going to find out follows common sense or not |
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| 14:45.10 | lemmy | +if bureaucracy |
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| 14:45.57 | danderson | unfortunately, tax law is fairly complex and country specific, so the best person to answer that sort of thing is an accountant/tax consultant from your country |
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| 16:04.08 | HanzZ | Hi, can I somehow configure Melange to send all comments from all student applications to my mail? |
| 16:04.49 | HanzZ | I know I can configure it per application, but I'm just curious if there's a way to configure it globaly. |
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| 16:05.15 | skbohra | HanzZ: may be you would like to ask at #melange |
| 16:05.32 | HanzZ | skbohra: thanks :) |
| 16:05.46 | skbohra | np |
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| 16:06.57 | mmaruseacph2_ | !next |
| 16:06.57 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 16:30.59 | felipevieira | In terms of weeks, how long does gsoc take? |
| 16:31.12 | infinity0 | 3 months |
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| 16:31.16 | vgvgf | 12 weeks |
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| 16:31.24 | dhaun | !timeline |
| 16:31.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 16:31.30 | felipevieira | thank you both. |
| 16:32.42 | thebolt | Evening |
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| 18:07.03 | ajuonline | finally. exams over! |
| 18:07.20 | Mitar | congrats |
| 18:07.43 | Mitar | so, has anybody checked those ideas: http://wiki.freifunk.net/Ideas |
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| 18:08.43 | carols | is taking a little while to get going this morning |
| 18:08.45 | carols | its a monday |
| 18:08.49 | ajuonline | carols: good morning!! |
| 18:08.55 | |Kev| | It's also a bank holiday, which is nice ;) |
| 18:08.58 | carols | ajuonline: good morning! |
| 18:09.07 | kaizer | morning!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:09.08 | carols | |Kev|: aw man...way to rub it in |
| 18:09.14 | carols | morning kaizer :-) |
| 18:09.26 | kaizer | yaa carols morning111111 |
| 18:09.36 | kaizer | :) |
| 18:10.05 | nmudgal | no carols for ajuonline it should be good night ! |
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| 18:10.35 | carols | nmudgal: fair enough. time zones are definitely my downfall :-) |
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| 18:10.45 | kaizer | ya even for me it should b good night!!!!!!!| |
| 18:11.15 | |Kev| | Well, I've spent all weekend working on an OSS project I really need to get released soon anyway. No rest for the wicked. |
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| 18:11.57 | carols | |Kev|: I hear ya. |
| 18:12.39 | nmudgal | nmudgal: ya even for me it is good night :-) |
| 18:13.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | feels the world spinning after watching Primer |
| 18:13.47 | safal_soni | nmudgal:pagal ho gya kya |
| 18:13.59 | kaizer | :) |
| 18:14.09 | carols | Wolf_OSGeo: It gets a little confusing at the end there, doesn't it? |
| 18:14.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: a little? It takes a while to sink in |
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| 18:15.01 | ajuonline | safal_soni: here noone understands hindi, might want to talk in ##gsoc-india |
| 18:15.08 | carols | Wolf_OSGeo: yes, it does. there's some interesting discussions of it online with timelines ;-) |
| 18:15.16 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: primer's a movie or something? |
| 18:15.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: yeah. A dizyingly beautiful, mindblowing movie |
| 18:15.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: I bet! |
| 18:16.06 | ajuonline | adds Primer to to-watch list |
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| 18:16.17 | safal_soni | ajuonline:i`ll let u learn hindi |
| 18:16.35 | thebolt | evening Wolf_OSGeo |
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| 18:16.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: I think I like the xkcd movie narrative chart best :P (http://xkcd.com/657/) |
| 18:17.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | evening thebolt |
| 18:17.23 | carols | Wolf_OSGeo: xkcd is really the best at most things :-) |
| 18:17.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: how goes? |
| 18:17.28 | Landon | a friend of mine got obsessed and finally found a blog post that actually explained it all |
| 18:17.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | agrees with carols |
| 18:17.35 | Landon | has long since lost the link though |
| 18:17.41 | ajuonline | safal_soni: i think, i know hindi ten times more than you do ;) |
| 18:18.05 | ajuonline | Landon: xkcdexplained? |
| 18:18.23 | kaizer | xkcd???? |
| 18:18.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: Landon was talking about Primer ;) |
| 18:18.26 | Landon | ajuonline: no, primer in general |
| 18:18.30 | ajuonline | er ok. |
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| 18:18.40 | ajuonline | i thought http://xkcdexplained.com/ :P |
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| 18:18.52 | Wolf_OSGeo | kaizer: http://kxcd.com/1 |
| 18:18.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | start there :P |
| 18:19.14 | Landon | christian music? |
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| 18:19.52 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: that gives a 404 |
| 18:19.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | dah! typo! |
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| 18:20.01 | Wolf_OSGeo | kaizer: http://xkcd.com/1 |
| 18:20.43 | safal_soni | ajuonline:then try learn it 100 times |
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| 18:20.44 | Wolf_OSGeo | xkcd has changed a lot over the years, hasn't it |
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| 18:23.44 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: pretty good. back to my place now after an easter weekend at my parents.. 30 minutes after i got home i had the first work meeting (telephone meeting) |
| 18:24.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: heh. Good timing! :D |
| 18:24.26 | vegard | is it possible for a student to have multiple mentors for the same project? |
| 18:24.35 | thiagoss_ | !timeline |
| 18:24.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 18:24.39 | kennygao | !next |
| 18:24.39 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:24.47 | Catfish_Man | vegard: officially, one mentor. Unofficially, GSoC doesn't really care |
| 18:25.01 | vegard | Catfish_Man: all right, thanks |
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| 18:26.10 | hwked | I'll be graduating this summer i.e. around June/July 2010. As I understand, I can apply as long as I'm a student as of April 9, right? |
| 18:27.13 | epps | I think its April 26 |
| 18:27.24 | safal_soni | hwked:right |
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| 18:28.42 | micahcowan | Apr 26 |
| 18:29.07 | hwked | oh ok, thanks |
| 18:29.13 | kazuo_thow1 | This might sound like a really vague question, but does anyone know how much open-source experience applicants are expected to have? |
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| 18:29.38 | |Kev| | kazuo_thow1: 0 < x < inf |
| 18:29.53 | |Kev| | Well, 0 <= x < inf, in fact. |
| 18:30.01 | hwked | kazuo_thow1: I participated last year and I had null experience then. Since then, I have contributed to atleast 3-4 opensource projects :) |
| 18:30.23 | kazuo_thow1 | that's good to know |
| 18:30.25 | vyas021 | any mentor here from beagleboard ? |
| 18:30.29 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 18:30.29 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 18:31.39 | felipevieira_ | !timeline |
| 18:31.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 19:13.08 | jdenisgiguere | Greetings, I would like to have few informations about the "Make public" option in the student application form... |
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| 19:14.02 | jdenisgiguere | Who can access application that student made public? |
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| 19:18.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | there is a deeper side to jdenisgiguere's question. It comes from that we at OSGeo ask for contact information of the students since it's not available via Melange (why not? legal?), but if you make a proposal public, it not very smart to put in all your contact info... |
| 19:19.17 | ajuonline | i think i read bawr 's proposal, which was public with all contact info.. |
| 19:19.31 | ajuonline | Wolf_OSGeo: cant mentors, see students profile? |
| 19:20.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: yes we can, but students might not want the whole world to get their contact info... |
| 19:20.30 | bawr | ajuonline: Well, I only shared it in here, so I didn't see a problem with that. |
| 19:20.52 | bawr | Okay, I'm lying. I forgot, but I wouldn't have edited it out, anyway. :) |
| 19:20.56 | ajuonline | then probably students should know that mentors can already see their profile, so no need for duplicate info on the proposal right? |
| 19:21.10 | ajuonline | bawr: its ok. just citing an example ;) |
| 19:22.10 | bawr | ajuonline: I know, but it's an instinct thing. I see an IRC tab blink, I reply. ;) |
| 19:22.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: ah you mean contact info. No we can't get to it |
| 19:22.57 | Wolf_OSGeo | or I don't know how... |
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| 19:23.13 | Wolf_OSGeo | ajuonline: I read profile and thought proposal |
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| 19:23.51 | felipevieira_ | !next |
| 19:23.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 19:23.59 | ajuonline | bawr: :) |
| 19:24.38 | bawr | ajuonline: But hey, my hit counter says it was just 21 clicks, so I'm not afraid. :) |
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| 19:26.08 | LawG | bawr: Where is the hit counter? I don't see one |
| 19:26.32 | bawr | LawG: I linked it through bit.ly :) |
| 19:26.41 | LawG | Ahh, got ya |
| 19:28.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | at least you need to be logged into to the system to see the proposals |
| 19:28.13 | bawr | ajuonline: Now that I look at it, all it has is my name, city, email and phone number. My name and city could be googled, anyway. I don't anticipate marketers calling to Poland. :) |
| 19:28.52 | smtms | bawr, there are no marketers in Poland that would pay us for your phone number? |
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| 19:31.06 | pygi | hi folks |
| 19:31.10 | bawr | smtms: They wouldn't pay you if they knew it's mine. I don't watch TV, spend my money on the Internet and don't give a damn what's hip. :) |
| 19:31.20 | bawr | I can't be marketed to. ;) |
| 19:31.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | hi pygi |
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| 19:38.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | I'm testing bawr's reflex: bawr :P |
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| 19:38.17 | bawr | >:| |
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| 19:38.22 | bawr | NOT FUNNY. |
| 19:38.31 | Mitar | :-) |
| 19:38.31 | bawr | Someone could be dying, and I'd be here. |
| 19:38.33 | Wolf_OSGeo | :D hillarious :D |
| 19:39.06 | x` | hehe, Mitar |
| 19:39.07 | x` | of all people |
| 19:39.11 | Wolf_OSGeo | type bawr and hilarity ensues ;) |
| 19:39.16 | Mitar | x`? |
| 19:39.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | sorry couldn't resist |
| 19:39.44 | x` | Mitar: you were/are my cousin's college mate |
| 19:39.50 | bawr | >:| |
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| 19:39.58 | Mitar | i know that i am famous ;-) |
| 19:40.06 | bawr | NOT FUNNY. *throws a tantrum* |
| 19:40.20 | Mitar | and who is this cousin? |
| 19:40.38 | x` | Mitar: and I've met you actually, a couple of years back. You were quite hung up on your new black macbook, that the lab gave you, and how you swiftly put in 2 gbs of RAM in there ;) |
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| 19:41.06 | Mitar | he he ... true ;-) |
| 19:41.17 | Mitar | default 512 MB was way too low |
| 19:41.27 | x` | Mitar: Samo, you know? |
| 19:41.40 | Mitar | now i am soc mentor ;-) |
| 19:41.44 | Mitar | http://wlan-lj.net/blog/2010/04/05/VabiloNaGoogleSummerOfCode |
| 19:41.48 | Mitar | if you are interested ... |
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| 19:42.16 | Mitar | samo ... sorry .. i am bad with names |
| 19:42.24 | Mitar | but i do remember faces |
| 19:42.45 | Mitar | (or if you know somebody who would be interested ...) |
| 19:42.51 | Mitar | we have quite a lot of ideas ;-) |
| 19:42.57 | Mitar | like android apps and similar |
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| 19:43.35 | x` | black haired little guy, just Samo on msn, his username would be samos, because his surname starts with an s with a little something above it |
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| 19:43.49 | x` | hacek? a hacek? maybe, an s with a hacek :) |
| 19:44.06 | x` | nice to see you mentoring, i think you have the right stuff! |
| 19:44.15 | Mitar | i know samo then ;-) |
| 19:44.25 | x` | did you participate in soc last year? |
| 19:44.30 | x` | yeah of course you do :) |
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| 19:45.45 | Mitar | no, i missed soc ... this year a friend invited me to mentor |
| 19:46.12 | Mitar | so ... here i am ;-) |
| 19:47.01 | x` | great! well nice to see a fellow slovenian here |
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| 19:47.08 | Mitar | ;-) |
| 19:47.14 | x` | i'll let you know if i need any help filling out tax forms and stuff :D |
| 19:47.17 | Mitar | you will participate? |
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| 19:47.57 | x` | yes, i'm hoping for a spot on open-bio foundation |
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| 19:48.11 | Mitar | link? |
| 19:48.21 | x` | i'm a med student so that's as close as i can get to home territory |
| 19:48.24 | x` | sure, moment |
| 19:48.46 | x` | http://open-bio.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 19:49.07 | Mitar | nice, my lab is working in bioinformatics |
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| 19:49.17 | Mitar | if you are interested in this stuff you can visit us someday |
| 19:49.21 | Mitar | and maybe join us |
| 19:49.25 | Mitar | we are quite interdisciplinary |
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| 19:49.45 | Mitar | http://www.ailab.si/orange/ |
| 19:49.47 | x` | is that the same lab that gave you that macbook? ;) |
| 19:49.53 | Mitar | yes ;-) |
| 19:50.09 | ajuonline | Mitar: what project are you mentoring for? |
| 19:50.25 | Mitar | freifunk: http://wiki.freifunk.net/Ideas |
| 19:50.34 | Mitar | wireless mesh networks and stuff |
| 19:51.02 | Mitar | but i added some ideas which are more broad, like computer vision, time series analysis and android apps ;-) |
| 19:51.09 | Mitar | (check last few ideas on the list) |
| 19:51.22 | Mitar | (i am otherwise doing research in ai) |
| 19:52.09 | Manca | Mitar, I can't open the wiki |
| 19:52.17 | Mitar | hm, how so? |
| 19:52.23 | x` | works for me Manca |
| 19:52.23 | Manca | it won't connect |
| 19:52.30 | Manca | dunno why |
| 19:52.37 | Mitar | other sites work? |
| 19:52.41 | Manca | yes |
| 19:52.49 | Mitar | strange |
| 19:52.54 | Manca | yeah |
| 19:53.07 | Mitar | do you have ipv6? |
| 19:53.17 | Mitar | i see they also have ipv6 address for the site |
| 19:53.22 | Mitar | maybe there is difference |
| 19:53.40 | Manca | it just worked in safari |
| 19:53.41 | Manca | lol |
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| 19:53.46 | Manca | doesn't work in firefox |
| 19:53.48 | Manca | strange... |
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| 19:54.16 | x` | Mitar: sounds interesting! especially with Bratko as head :) |
| 19:54.42 | Mitar | bioinformatics part has blaz zupan as head |
| 19:54.54 | Mitar | manca: ok, great, so check it up! ;-) |
| 19:55.09 | Manca | checking it now... :) |
| 19:55.14 | Mitar | so, if you are interested in MR or something, x`, you are more then welcome |
| 19:55.21 | x` | I might hold your word for it, ok? |
| 19:55.39 | Mitar | manca: but of course you can also submit your own ideas |
| 19:55.39 | Manca | how many slots do you expect to have for this year Mitar? |
| 19:55.58 | x` | I am currently in an analytical chemistry lab, so I know about interdisciplinary? |
| 19:56.03 | x` | ?=. |
| 19:56.10 | Mitar | i do not know, i was just invited to mentor ... do not really know background stuff |
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| 19:56.48 | Mitar | so they know i have a lot of ideas ... but i am just know getting into it |
| 19:56.56 | Mitar | i just this night added those ideas |
| 19:57.27 | Mitar | x`: we are often lacking MRs |
| 19:57.29 | Manca | i understand |
| 19:57.32 | Mitar | or MR candidates |
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| 19:58.23 | Mitar | x`: you should definitelly visit our lab and talk with people there and you will se |
| 19:58.24 | x` | Mitar: Well, again, thanks for the invitation! And it's been nice talking to you ... I guess if we get selected, Ljubljana GSoC themed lunches aren't excluded? :) |
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| 19:58.39 | Mitar | he he ... good luck ;-) |
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| 19:59.14 | Manca | ;) |
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| 19:59.38 | x` | "Manca" sounds surprisingly slovenian too... |
| 19:59.47 | Manca | hehe, Serbian here :) |
| 19:59.55 | x` | but US ip has me confused ... :) |
| 20:00.05 | Manca | yeah, im in US currently |
| 20:00.13 | Mitar | studying? |
| 20:00.14 | Manca | studying here... |
| 20:00.15 | Manca | yeah |
| 20:00.17 | x` | Hello to Serbia then! |
| 20:00.22 | x` | hm, US! |
| 20:00.24 | x` | wherever! :) |
| 20:00.25 | Manca | Hello :) |
| 20:00.26 | Manca | hehe |
| 20:00.28 | Mitar | which field? |
| 20:00.36 | Manca | general CS |
| 20:00.47 | Manca | altho. IT is my field |
| 20:00.55 | Manca | combination between CS and EE |
| 20:01.14 | Mitar | so wireless stuff is just right for you ;-) |
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| 20:01.25 | Manca | i love wireless stuff :) |
| 20:01.52 | x` | woo, it's a match! |
| 20:02.03 | x` | see you both later :) and good luck! |
| 20:02.07 | Mitar | i really like it because it has everything, from hardware, operating systems, networks, services in networks, web services over networks ... |
| 20:02.12 | Mitar | whatever you choose ... |
| 20:02.25 | Manca | what exactly FreiFunk does? |
| 20:02.52 | Mitar | will be back in 5 minutes |
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| 20:04.46 | Manca | what was the last? |
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| 20:07.13 | Mitar | wb |
| 20:07.23 | Mitar | soo |
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| 20:07.45 | Mitar | freifunk is german community centered around open wireless mesh networks |
| 20:07.57 | Mitar | they are building in cities around germany |
| 20:08.12 | Mitar | and of course all technology connected to such networks |
| 20:08.31 | Mitar | we are doing similar network in Ljubljana, Slovenia (http://wlan-lj.net/) |
| 20:08.44 | Manca | ok? |
| 20:09.13 | Mitar | and we are also trying to cooperate more and interconnect all this networks |
| 20:09.18 | Manca | what is it different than the classic wireless networks? |
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| 20:09.42 | Mitar | everything is possible, so there are a lot of different ways to do such networks |
| 20:09.52 | thebolt | Mitar: you mentor/admin for freifunk? |
| 20:09.56 | Mitar | but main difference is that it is build from community |
| 20:09.58 | Mitar | thebolt: yes |
| 20:10.03 | Mitar | (mentor) |
| 20:10.11 | Manca | alright? |
| 20:10.21 | Mitar | and different communities try different stuff, some use direct links |
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| 20:10.23 | Manca | by community means open networks? |
| 20:10.35 | Mitar | community means group of people sharing same or similar ideas ;-) |
| 20:10.38 | Mitar | grassroot |
| 20:10.54 | Manca | yes, that's what i mean, community networks |
| 20:11.02 | Mitar | and yes, it also means that they are mostly open |
| 20:11.04 | thebolt | Mitar: okay, talked a bit to one of your admins/mentors last year at the mentor summit, been thiking about maybe lending a hand (not as a gsoc student, but outside).. although I am _very_ hardware close.. (my last course at uni we designed a 802.11a processor chip ;) |
| 20:11.16 | Mitar | but some are not, are just for people from the community |
| 20:11.36 | Mitar | thebolt: great :-) |
| 20:11.43 | Mitar | hands are always welcome |
| 20:12.07 | Mitar | so most freifunk networks (probably all) and also our in Ljubljana use ad-hoc mode and do a mesh wifi cloud |
| 20:12.16 | Mitar | this means that all wifi points interconnect together |
| 20:12.22 | Manca | ok? |
| 20:12.32 | Manca | what kind of equipment do u use for such a setup? |
| 20:12.33 | thebolt | Mitar: just have to find the time.. haven't since october ;) |
| 20:12.33 | Mitar | so it is not one-to-many connection as in AP but many-to-many |
| 20:12.49 | Mitar | regular wifi router mostly, which can run OpenWrt/Linux |
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| 20:13.04 | Mitar | thebolt: i know the feeling ;-) |
| 20:13.05 | Manca | cool |
| 20:13.10 | Manca | what about antenas? |
| 20:13.19 | Manca | how do u do many-to-many connections? |
| 20:13.19 | Mitar | so it is great because you can use cheap consumer products |
| 20:13.42 | Mitar | antenas: everything, home made, bought ... |
| 20:13.54 | Mitar | as it is community project we use everything we can get ;-) |
| 20:14.06 | Mitar | we do many-to-many with ad-hoc mode |
| 20:14.12 | Manca | oh I see |
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| 20:14.36 | Mitar | but you then need routing protocol in such network |
| 20:14.51 | Manca | exactly? |
| 20:14.52 | Mitar | we use olsr mostly, but also new protocols have been developed, like BATMAN and Babel |
| 20:14.56 | Manca | btw. why many-to-many? |
| 20:15.09 | Mitar | Manca: why not? |
| 20:15.25 | Mitar | as i said some communities decide rather for point-to-point |
| 20:15.29 | Manca | maybe it only complicates the routing stuff? |
| 20:15.35 | mlankhorst | wee, set up my desk in a new way, now its time for all the wires to suddenly turn into hairballs :) |
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| 20:15.47 | Mitar | many-to-many is more reboust, can adapt to nodes beeing disconnected |
| 20:16.02 | Manca | that's right |
| 20:16.07 | Mitar | but point-to-point is faster |
| 20:16.31 | Mitar | like it does not consume spectrum for coordination and similar stuff |
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| 20:16.36 | Mitar | so it depends what you want |
| 20:16.39 | thebolt | optimal routing in a many-to-many is a nice problem :P |
| 20:16.40 | Manca | understand |
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| 20:16.52 | Manca | so, do u have a router in every AP |
| 20:16.58 | Manca | or u have centralized routing system? |
| 20:17.03 | Mitar | if you know locations where you will put nodes in advance, you have full control over them and you have enough equipment, then you can do point-to-point |
| 20:17.19 | Mitar | but if the network "grow", then many-to-many allows easier growing |
| 20:17.25 | Mitar | without too much coordination |
| 20:17.38 | Mitar | thebolt: define optimal ;-) |
| 20:18.01 | thiago | shortest path, smallest number of connections |
| 20:18.01 | Mitar | ehm, AP is router ;-) |
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| 20:18.20 | Mitar | thiago: in wifi mesh network you mostly want good connections |
| 20:18.20 | thebolt | Mitar: well, that is problem number one ;) min lag, max total throughput, hm, what other criteria can you think of |
| 20:18.41 | Mitar | so routing protocols evaluate link quality and choose those where the lest packets are being lost |
| 20:18.43 | thebolt | higest lower bound on bandwidth, lowest upper bound on latency |
| 20:19.38 | Mitar | packet loss? less interference with other links of your mesh? good load distribution ... |
| 20:19.47 | Mitar | a lot of things you could evaluate to get "optimal" :-) |
| 20:19.51 | thebolt | friend of mine is doing his MSc thesis on something similar |
| 20:20.19 | thebolt | "optimal" traffic scheduling in relation to end-user operated repeaters in LTE networks.. |
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| 20:23.39 | thebolt | (scheduling in LTE is apparently pretty tricky due to how the spectrum is used) |
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| 20:36.47 | micahcowan | !advice |
| 20:36.48 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 21:07.23 | x` | so there's the org mailing lists, mentors via email, there are irc channels ... what else am i missing? for example, what is the gsoc students private mailing list? |
| 21:07.38 | Mitar | read faq ;-) |
| 21:07.58 | Mitar | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#mailing_lists |
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| 21:10.03 | x` | ah, i was reading a comment by a student in my org, and it said something about a students mailing lists ... i wrote it here because i haven't heard about it, then I located it 5 seconds after I posted the q and 2 seconds before you answered |
| 21:10.06 | x` | what a waste of entropy! |
| 21:10.16 | vegard | bleh: Must be under 500 characters, it has 1172 characters. |
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| 21:12.11 | vegard | needs a live character count |
| 21:12.21 | vegard | SRabbelier: can you fix it ;) |
| 21:12.23 | bawr | Okay, now that sshd is all secure and I added denyhosts, I can stop poking my VPS logs, I guess. :) |
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| 21:15.53 | vegard | \o/ |
| 21:15.56 | vegard | submitted. |
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| 21:16.56 | bawr | Scanning the scanners was fun while it lasted, though. |
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| 21:17.59 | epps | In Soviet Russia scanners scan you. |
| 21:18.13 | shuffle2 | i think they do that everywhere |
| 21:18.20 | shuffle2 | :) |
| 21:19.24 | bawr | Well, I guess I have one more useful interview tidbit to drop when asked about securing servers. :) |
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| 21:20.54 | pk_ | My organisation is asking "schedule idea" in the application form...what should i provide there? |
| 21:21.20 | vegard | probably milestone dates or expected weekly progress? |
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| 21:22.14 | pk_ | weekly progress ...12 weeks so around 12 entries? |
| 21:23.00 | thiago | around, yes |
| 21:23.48 | pk_ | k |
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| 21:25.04 | josipl | 12 weeks? I've included weeks 13&14 in my timeline (true, just for "make sure everything is ok"), should I keep them? |
| 21:25.39 | thiago | for additional work it's ok |
| 21:25.48 | thiago | you can also include more weeks for continuing after the project ends |
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| 21:27.04 | josipl | oh, cool, I've expressed wish for that later in my proposal (I'm actually applying for one of KDE's projects) |
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| 21:27.37 | pk_ | hahaha IIRC thiago is from kde |
| 21:27.54 | josipl | pk_: I know :) |
| 21:28.06 | mlankhorst | nah, thiago is doing qt now, Nightrose is kde :P |
| 21:28.37 | Nightrose | mlankhorst: you rang? ;-) |
| 21:28.57 | mlankhorst | woops, didnt mean to cause a hilight |
| 21:29.02 | Nightrose | thiago is still KDE! |
| 21:29.08 | Nightrose | he's so awesome he can be both |
| 21:29.08 | Inc | don't talk about KDE like that.... |
| 21:29.10 | Nightrose | :D |
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| 21:29.20 | mlankhorst | *brain asplode* |
| 21:29.24 | Nightrose | haha |
| 21:29.25 | Inc | :P |
| 21:29.31 | thiago | well, I did submit Qt |
| 21:29.41 | thiago | but since it didn't get accepted, I stay with KDE |
| 21:30.18 | pk_ | Qt as organisation? |
| 21:30.22 | mlankhorst | yeah |
| 21:30.34 | pk_ | k |
| 21:31.18 | mlankhorst | thiago: why was qt rejected then? |
| 21:31.23 | Nightrose | goes back to mozarella and tomatoes and TV |
| 21:31.24 | Nightrose | o/ |
| 21:31.26 | thiago | yes |
| 21:31.29 | mlankhorst | hf |
| 21:32.03 | scgtrp | argh. waiting is so hard |
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| 21:32.13 | micahcowan | Mozzarella and tomatoes... Why have I never done that. That sounds good. |
| 21:32.23 | pk_ | is it because qt is now qt.nokia.com :P |
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| 21:33.29 | thiago | pk_: Maemo (maemo.nokia.com / meego.com) got accepted |
| 21:33.48 | pk_ | uh oooooooooo |
| 21:33.50 | Manrugby | hi all |
| 21:34.15 | pk_ | meego is alliance |
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| 21:36.19 | scgtrp | also: i don't even know who my mentor is supposed to be. or do we not find out until after the application is accepted? |
| 21:36.34 | mlankhorst | after ;) |
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| 21:37.21 | jenred | Nightrose Hello! |
| 21:37.44 | Nightrose | hey jenred! |
| 21:37.47 | Nightrose | how are you? |
| 21:37.48 | scgtrp | mlankhorst: ah, ok. still, it's frustrating that i've only gotten one comment on it since submitting it, i don't know if i need to change anything :/ |
| 21:38.08 | Nightrose | scgtrp: ask your org for comments? |
| 21:38.13 | Nightrose | they might need a little pushing |
| 21:38.22 | Nightrose | micahcowan: yes you should ;-) |
| 21:38.26 | pk_ | do we get comments on our applications? |
| 21:38.35 | Nightrose | usually yes |
| 21:38.44 | mlankhorst | it can also be a good thing :) |
| 21:38.49 | DasIch | pk_: if not just ask for it |
| 21:38.50 | pk_ | hahah |
| 21:39.13 | scgtrp | mlankhorst: to not get comments? |
| 21:39.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | hi jenred! :) |
| 21:39.31 | pk_ | scgtrp: to get comments |
| 21:39.32 | mlankhorst | I've said a few times 'this is never going to fly, try something else' ;) |
| 21:39.34 | jenred | Nightrose pretty good -- how's the app period going for you? |
| 21:39.42 | jenred | hi Wolf_OSGeo! |
| 21:39.46 | Nightrose | very well so far |
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| 21:40.05 | jenred | Wolf_OSGeo happy easter to you too ;> |
| 21:40.09 | scgtrp | i suppose it could mean they haven't found anything wrong with it, but there's that little voice in my head telling me they might be ignoring mine because there are 5 better ones to read through :/ |
| 21:40.42 | Nightrose | then ask ;-) |
| 21:40.59 | Nightrose | they can hardly blame you for asking if you're not a pita |
| 21:41.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | jenred: Thanks! are you drowning in applications yet? :P |
| 21:41.32 | jenred | not too bad yet -- things are starting to pick up though |
| 21:41.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | is hoping for a lot of pick-up |
| 21:41.54 | jenred | I think our students are trying to be too perfect |
| 21:42.16 | DasIch | scgtrp: the voice will always find something to make your worry |
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| 21:42.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | I do know that we are still talking to some students, but since we are an umbreall I don't know it all :P |
| 21:42.38 | scgtrp | DasIch: yeah, voice 14 has always been like that |
| 21:42.49 | Nightrose | haha |
| 21:42.57 | Nightrose | tell it to shut up |
| 21:42.58 | shuffle2 | is gsoc generally a first come, first serve? or is it up to orgs? |
| 21:42.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | scgtrp: mute it then :P ;) |
| 21:43.09 | DasIch | shuffle2: it's up to the org |
| 21:43.11 | Nightrose | shuffle2: no first come first serve |
| 21:43.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | shuffle2: not for us it isn't |
| 21:43.20 | scgtrp | takes a moment to name the 42 voices in his head |
| 21:44.18 | pk_ | jenerd : u r from? |
| 21:44.50 | jenred | Systers |
| 21:44.55 | pk_ | ooops |
| 21:45.44 | pk_ | someone said you take only girls :P |
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| 21:46.01 | jenred | pk_ of course not |
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| 21:46.34 | maco | though i imagine the gender ratio of applicants you get is a bit different than for many other projects |
| 21:46.41 | jenred | maco yep |
| 21:46.55 | maco | dreamwidth too, probably |
| 21:46.57 | jenred | we do get a really high proportion of female applicants |
| 21:47.14 | jenred | mostly though because we are really newbie friendly |
| 21:47.32 | bawr | jenred: Over 50%, or even more? |
| 21:47.42 | dho | jenred: what sorts of projects do you guys do? |
| 21:47.44 | maco | probably much more |
| 21:47.44 | pk_ | lady psychology : trust on stranzers |
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| 21:47.55 | maco | pk_: what? |
| 21:47.58 | jenred | bawr last year it was about 75% |
| 21:48.10 | jenred | dho we work on GNU mailman |
| 21:48.13 | mlankhorst | nice |
| 21:48.14 | pk_ | maco : i'v read somewhere |
| 21:48.25 | Mitar | sympa rulz ;-) |
| 21:48.31 | maco | pk_: let me rephrase: -ENOPARSE |
| 21:48.33 | dho | aha |
| 21:48.42 | bawr | maco: :D |
| 21:48.45 | jenred | this year we have a a couple projects that focus on MM 3.0 |
| 21:49.01 | jenred | wking w/ the MM 3.0 team |
| 21:49.37 | pk_ | needs libquestionframework to convey his message successfully to maco |
| 21:49.42 | Mitar | http://www.sympa.org/ |
| 21:49.44 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 21:49.44 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 21:50.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | goes dig out his old iMac |
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| 21:52.37 | scgtrp | "So far I've only gotten one comment on my proposal, saying that I type way too fast and managed to submit it before all the questions were up. I've answered the additional question and haven't heard from anyone since then. It's a bit frustrating, because I'm not sure whether I need to change anything else. So, does anyone have any further comments on my proposal, or am I just worrying about it too much?" |
| 21:52.40 | scgtrp | sound good? |
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| 21:53.12 | jenred | scgtrp what project are you applying too? |
| 21:53.15 | scgtrp | nmap |
| 21:53.32 | jenred | maybe you should ask in the irc channel or dev list? |
| 21:53.39 | jenred | for nmap? |
| 21:53.46 | scgtrp | their irc channel is pretty much dead, this is what i'm about to send to the mailing list |
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| 21:54.25 | scgtrp | heh, i worry way too much. i'm asking for feedback on the email in which i ask for feedback. -_- |
| 21:54.31 | Diod | hehe |
| 21:54.31 | mlankhorst | just think for yourself and do what you think is best |
| 21:54.43 | maco | scgtrp: bit nervous? |
| 21:54.49 | scgtrp | yeah |
| 21:55.12 | scgtrp | slightly edited version sent |
| 21:55.22 | jenred | scgtrp I can't speak for nmap but we appreciate students who are engaged enough to follow-up |
| 21:55.33 | Diod | I think that they didnt have any problems with the questions you answered, but you probably just sent in your proposal before they could add all the questions they wanted? |
| 21:56.05 | scgtrp | Diod: yeah, they added one more shortly after i submitted it |
| 21:56.18 | dho | My experience as a mentor and an admin has been that when the conversation has dwindled, it's because there's usually not much left to add. However, there are still 4 more days to go. |
| 21:56.23 | scgtrp | it just worries me slightly that i've heard absolutely nothing from them beyond that |
| 21:56.25 | Diod | And yeah, following-up on a comment is better then just being silent |
| 21:56.39 | pk_ | probably they already found someone else better than you ...and are open to listen only for better than that:P |
| 21:56.49 | scgtrp | pk_: you are totally not helping. :P |
| 21:57.10 | Diod | But yeah, as dho says, I too think it's just because your proposal is good :) |
| 21:57.20 | Diod | But cant hurt to ask ofcourse :) |
| 21:57.20 | pk_ | you can consider me a student |
| 21:57.55 | dho | If you don't get any responses before the end, I wouldn't worry too much about it |
| 21:58.21 | dho | I've not worked with other orgs, and every one of them manages things differently, but you may want to take some of that into account as to whether you want to do work with that org if you feel there's a strong communication barrier |
| 21:58.29 | dho | Communication is key throughout this process. |
| 21:59.03 | dho | But, I have no idea how busy they all are, etc... so there's likely a reasonable explanation that you just shouldn't be worried about :) |
| 21:59.24 | scgtrp | yeah, and there was easter too |
| 21:59.35 | Diod | :) |
| 21:59.41 | jenred | scgtrp is also doesn't hurt to apply for other projects with other orgs |
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| 22:00.00 | dho | We have a lot of interesting projects for instance ;) |
| 22:00.08 | scgtrp | dho: "we"? |
| 22:00.11 | maco | dho: recruiting? |
| 22:00.12 | dho | Plan 9 |
| 22:01.06 | Inc | still trying to figure out what plan 9 is |
| 22:01.18 | Inc | and what use it is to people..... |
| 22:01.18 | dho | It's an operating system. |
| 22:01.20 | thiago | an OS |
| 22:01.35 | Inc | do people use it? |
| 22:01.40 | dho | sure |
| 22:01.54 | dho | www.coraid.com uses it for their aoe storage appliances |
| 22:02.24 | dho | (For instance) |
| 22:02.38 | micahcowan | In some ways, it's the spiritual successor to Unix. Comes from Bell Labs, just as Unix did. |
| 22:02.55 | dho | Well. |
| 22:03.03 | dho | It's intended to be the logical successor too. |
| 22:03.18 | dho | (And it is, in a lot of ways, but that's not what people want :)) |
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| 22:06.41 | jenred | dho is your gsoc page running on Plan 9 or is there no http server support? |
| 22:07.35 | josipl | jenred: they have a http server, check out their wiki it works on a really interesting concept |
| 22:08.01 | dho | wikifs! |
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| 22:09.25 | jenred | dho is http://cat-v.org your wiki? |
| 22:09.33 | dho | No |
| 22:09.44 | dho | That's uriel's site; it runs using Plan 9 Port on Linux. |
| 22:10.02 | dho | http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/ |
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| 22:10.07 | dho | This runs on Plan 9 |
| 22:11.00 | Inc | erwah |
| 22:11.37 | dho | all of plan9.bell-labs.com does, in fact. |
| 22:11.38 | Inc | *ah |
| 22:11.48 | Inc | just saw the screenshots and they look ancient |
| 22:11.57 | Inc | like from 80's etc |
| 22:12.19 | dho | It's not eye candy, for sure. |
| 22:12.36 | dho | But it certainly could be. |
| 22:12.36 | josipl | Inc: you should try to use it, it feels even older :D (but is so much cooler then anything else available today) |
| 22:12.47 | dho | the alpha blending in Xorg came from Plan 9 :P |
| 22:12.58 | dho | (so did UTF-8) |
| 22:13.11 | Inc | crazy |
| 22:13.37 | dho | In Plan 9, everything is a filesystem, including devices |
| 22:13.47 | micahcowan | including applications |
| 22:13.56 | dho | yes, that too, to a large degree. |
| 22:14.03 | dho | and all filesystem operations speak 9p, which is a protocol that can be exported over the network |
| 22:14.06 | Diod | interesting approach |
| 22:14.35 | dho | so everything from video, sound, network, windowing systems, etc can all be easily (and securely) shared over a network |
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| 22:14.51 | micahcowan | It makes for interesting IPC, when talking to some app can sometimes mean writing to/reading from the right file in the app's namespace (IIRC) |
| 22:14.57 | dho | yep |
| 22:15.08 | dho | also, every process has its own namespace |
| 22:15.38 | micahcowan | Yeah, in that case it's clearly the process's namespace, sorry. |
| 22:15.43 | dho | So to share a network connection, you just import /net from another system. |
| 22:15.54 | safal_soni | ok bye everyone |
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| 22:16.01 | dho | However, we would like to have a NAT implementation so we can operate nicer in heterogeneous environments |
| 22:16.18 | dho | I've been trying to mentor that project since 2007, but we keep getting bad luck with that one. |
| 22:16.37 | Bebeoix | hi |
| 22:16.40 | Bebeoix | i need a mentor |
| 22:16.44 | Diod | I think the issue is that it looks quite terrifying |
| 22:16.54 | Bebeoix | do you know how I can find a mentor ? |
| 22:17.05 | Diod | Depends on the project you want to apply for |
| 22:17.18 | micahcowan | Bebeoix, ask at the org you're interested in. |
| 22:17.23 | dho | Diod: what does? the ip stack in p9 is quite elegant |
| 22:17.26 | Bebeoix | a security project |
| 22:17.34 | jenred | hi Bebeoix what do you mean by "I need a mentor" ? |
| 22:17.47 | micahcowan | We can't really find you a mentor here, ask at the org you'd like to be mentored at. |
| 22:18.07 | Bebeoix | ok but the org is busy... |
| 22:18.08 | Diod | dho: I think students are a bit afraid of going into such a low-level project |
| 22:18.14 | Diod | I am anyway |
| 22:18.15 | Diod | :p |
| 22:18.18 | Catfish_Man | Bebeoix: the way you get a mentor is by applying via the webapp |
| 22:18.26 | dho | Diod: sure. |
| 22:18.30 | micahcowan | Also, having some personal project and trying to find some org&mentor to "sponsor" your personal project isn't really what GSoC is about. |
| 22:18.33 | Catfish_Man | Bebeoix: mentors are not assigned students until the very end |
| 22:18.34 | dho | A lot of people underestimate it too |
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| 22:19.01 | Bebeoix | hum |
| 22:19.02 | Bebeoix | ok |
| 22:19.25 | Bebeoix | another question |
| 22:19.29 | Diod | Yeah, underestimating a project can be fatal |
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| 22:19.39 | Bebeoix | how officialy apply at the org ? |
| 22:19.46 | Diod | I made sure to choose a project that falls in my skillset |
| 22:19.57 | jenred | dho I like the bunny ;> |
| 22:20.01 | dho | glenda! |
| 22:20.13 | dho | she drew the gopher for google go too |
| 22:20.21 | dho | "gordon" |
| 22:20.34 | dho | (Rob Pike's wife, Renee French) |
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| 22:21.01 | Diod | hehe |
| 22:21.04 | Diod | yeah it looks cool |
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| 22:25.30 | Bebeoix | I do not understand, in the "How to Apply" section, they say " Discussion of your proposal should be on the mailing list. |
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| 22:25.30 | Bebeoix | Use this template in the "detailed description" section of your proposal." >> I must send my proposal at the mailing list ? |
| 22:25.50 | Catfish_Man | Bebeoix: you don't *have* to discuss your proposal beforehand |
| 22:25.53 | Catfish_Man | it's just a good idea |
| 22:26.03 | jenred | Bebeoix what org are you trying to apply to? |
| 22:26.16 | DasIch | Bebeoix: the organisation you are applying to might want you to do it |
| 22:26.17 | Bebeoix | nmap |
| 22:26.30 | Bebeoix | ok |
| 22:26.33 | pk_ | where do i find comments to my applications? |
| 22:26.53 | jenred | wasn't someone else just asking about nmap? |
| 22:27.55 | Diod | scgtrp was |
| 22:28.01 | jenred | but Bebeoix as mentioned by others you need to contact nmap |
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| 22:30.32 | Bebeoix | ok |
| 22:32.40 | Bebeoix | i have a answer : " But once Google starts taking |
| 22:32.40 | Bebeoix | submissions, they will provide a system for sending applications. " |
| 22:32.43 | dho | pk_: on the page of the application itself, if it's anything like the mentor / admin view. |
| 22:33.00 | pk_ | got it |
| 22:33.14 | dho | Bebeoix: The application submission process is open. |
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| 22:35.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | Bebeoix: go to http://socghop.appspot.com/ that is the system you are talking about |
| 22:36.37 | Bebeoix | the "Register as a Student" section |
| 22:36.45 | Bebeoix | ok thanks :) |
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| 23:57.42 | inXs_ | !help |
| 23:57.43 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 23:58.07 | inXs_ | !botabuse |
| 23:58.07 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
