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| 00:22.06 | Manca | Anyone around :) ? |
| 00:22.43 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Sure |
| 00:22.54 | Manca | how's going? |
| 00:23.11 | MatthewWilkes | Good, just prodding students to submit proposals |
| 00:23.13 | MatthewWilkes | Yourself? |
| 00:24.33 | tobiw | what is the Foreign Certification form for students outside the US? |
| 00:25.26 | Manca | I'm still thinking about the ideas from couple organizations. Matt, which organization are you with? |
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| 00:27.05 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Plone, a web content management system written in python |
| 00:27.19 | Manca | Niceee... I worked with Plone couple of years ago |
| 00:27.34 | MatthewWilkes | Really? |
| 00:27.38 | Manca | We developed the site of EESTEC (www.eestec.net) using plone |
| 00:28.03 | Manca | altho, it's been a while since I participated in some plone coding... but i still remember some stuff :) |
| 00:28.15 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Do you know Florian Friesdorf and Nejc Zupan, by any chance? |
| 00:28.20 | Manca | yep :) |
| 00:28.24 | Manca | we worked together |
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| 00:28.29 | MatthewWilkes | Good lads! |
| 00:28.35 | Manca | yep |
| 00:28.47 | MatthewWilkes | I've known Flo for a while, met Nejc a couple of weeks ago in Colgone, just before he went to Athens |
| 00:28.55 | Manca | so, u're from Slovenia too? |
| 00:29.04 | MatthewWilkes | No, England |
| 00:29.09 | Manca | Oh, cool! |
| 00:29.21 | Manca | Slovenians love plone :D |
| 00:29.22 | Manca | hehe |
| 00:29.29 | MatthewWilkes | lol |
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| 00:30.06 | muujtabaalboori | Hello |
| 00:30.07 | Manca | so, what do you get for this year's Google Summer of Code? |
| 00:30.16 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Have you had a look at the Plone ideas list? http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas |
| 00:30.35 | Manca | honestly I haven't ... but looking now :) |
| 00:33.07 | muujtabaalboori | I have submitted my application but how can I get feedback before the deadline ? |
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| 00:33.55 | sreich | muujtabaalboori: bug possible mentors about it, afiu |
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| 00:35.32 | Manca | Matt: Are u mentor or admin? |
| 00:35.42 | muujtabaalboori | sreich: There is no mentor is listed. I asked in the mailing list I did not got response |
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| 00:36.09 | sreich | there is not going to be one listed, because one will not be chosen yet |
| 00:36.17 | Gracenotes | Matt? How do you know my name? .. oh wait. :) *ducks back into shadows* |
| 00:36.37 | sreich | but you should have talked with the organization (or some person in it) about your proposal. thus you can ask him |
| 00:37.54 | muujtabaalboori | Ok thank sreich I will try to ask again . |
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| 00:43.13 | Manca | Gracenotes: hehe :) |
| 00:43.32 | Manca | I was referring to MatthewWilkes |
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| 00:43.46 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Sorry, I'm an admin |
| 00:43.58 | Manca | Cool! |
| 00:44.13 | Manca | how many students do u expect to have this year? |
| 00:44.29 | MatthewWilkes | I'm not sure, we had 7 last year, not as many applications so far this year |
| 00:44.52 | Manca | I see |
| 00:45.07 | MatthewWilkes | I'd hope we have about the same amount in total though |
| 00:45.23 | Manca | Well, I might apply if you could tell me what would be the best project to work on? |
| 00:45.29 | Manca | I looked at ideas list |
| 00:45.34 | Manca | and I like AJAX one |
| 00:45.41 | Manca | and HTML5 looks interesting too |
| 00:46.06 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: The HTML5 one has 2 people expressed an interest so far, the AJAX one is probably more likely |
| 00:46.29 | Manca | That's cool |
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| 00:46.55 | Manca | it crashed |
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| 00:48.04 | Manca | Did someone of Slovenians express interest in some project? |
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| 00:48.33 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Nejc hasn't said anything to me. |
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| 00:49.01 | Manca | I see |
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| 00:50.22 | emmanuel_ | MatthewWilkes, what mentoring organization do you work for? |
| 00:51.09 | MatthewWilkes | emmanuel_: The Plone Foundation, we're a Python-based web content management system |
| 00:52.23 | emmanuel_ | nice, I must have missed you guys, html5 definitely sounds very interesting |
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| 00:53.32 | MatthewWilkes | There are some more nice things around HTML5 if you're interested in that sort of thing. For example, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas#dexthtml would be really cool |
| 00:53.46 | MatthewWilkes | More Python, no JS, but still exciting new HTML5 stuff |
| 00:54.35 | MatthewWilkes | There's also modifying the templates to give hints in HTML5 data attributes, with things like the raw value of date stamps to improve timezone support by running a JS parser in the client |
| 00:55.28 | MatthewWilkes | Manca, emmanuel_: Happy to help you find something tailored to your interests not on the list if you like |
| 00:55.54 | Manca | I've just installed Zope and Plone on my box |
| 00:56.04 | Manca | I am interested in something javascript/jquery related |
| 00:56.10 | Manca | i'd like to play with front end |
| 00:56.40 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Did you install 3.3.4 or the Plone 4 beta? |
| 00:56.45 | Manca | 3.3.4 |
| 00:57.06 | MatthewWilkes | Plone 4 ships with jQuery tools and has had a lot of work done on making it prettier in the front end |
| 00:57.17 | emmanuel_ | Thanks Matthew, not sure if I would be very helpful though, haven't really done a lot of python ever :( I am a SCJP, and a big RoR fan, I've done java, PHP, C#, Ruby, actionscript/flex, and Python has been in my TODO list for a while :( |
| 00:58.01 | Manca | Matt, I'll download Plone 4 now and try it out |
| 00:58.29 | Manca | On which one will the students be working? |
| 00:58.34 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: If you're on linux there's an installer, not for other platforms yet though |
| 00:58.37 | MatthewWilkes | Definitely Plone 4 |
| 00:58.47 | Manca | I'm on Mac |
| 00:58.49 | MatthewWilkes | It's already overdue |
| 00:59.00 | Manca | I see |
| 00:59.01 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Do you have Python 2.6? |
| 00:59.08 | Manca | hmm, let me check |
| 00:59.10 | Manca | i think i do, tho |
| 00:59.21 | Manca | ahh, no |
| 00:59.22 | Manca | 2.4.6 |
| 00:59.35 | Manca | my bad |
| 00:59.38 | Manca | i have them both :D |
| 00:59.42 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Oh, there's a mac installer been made! |
| 00:59.43 | MatthewWilkes | http://plone.org/products/plone/releases/4.0 |
| 01:00.11 | Manca | ok, downloading now |
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| 01:01.20 | Manca | do you overwrite the 3.3 instance, or I've to manually delete it? |
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| 01:02.58 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: I'm not sure, I don't use the installers. It is self-contained though, you can just delete the folder |
| 01:03.11 | Manca | yeah |
| 01:03.27 | Manca | I could've checked it out from svn, but it's ok |
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| 01:04.13 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Sure, we're in the full swing of development though, so for trying it out it's best to use the beta installer. Not sure if anything's been broken while working on b2 |
| 01:04.30 | Manca | ok, trying now :) |
| 01:04.36 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome |
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| 01:05.55 | infinity0 | students can edit their proposal text after applications close, right? i seem to remember i was able to last year |
| 01:06.16 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: For an example of something that's prettier by using jQuery in Plone 4, try the "Advanced" option in the state dropdown |
| 01:06.29 | Manca | Alright |
| 01:07.02 | Manca | i see u added open ID support |
| 01:07.02 | Manca | neat |
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| 01:09.36 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: That was in Plone 3 |
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| 01:10.02 | Manca | Cool! I must've missed it then... I don't remember which version was actual in 2007 |
| 01:10.10 | Manca | that was the last time i worked with Plone |
| 01:10.47 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: If you're interested in that it could do with some work. For example working with OAuth and getting profile data from other sites better. Also, it'd be good to be able to associate openid accounts with existing Plone accounts, etc |
| 01:11.33 | Manca | I would prefer more to play with JS and Python in order to AJAXify it :) |
| 01:12.01 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 01:12.09 | Manca | there is still that text being overwritten in Portlets |
| 01:12.16 | Manca | i remember we had hard time with that |
| 01:12.28 | Manca | and we worked on some viewlets too |
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| 01:13.17 | MatthewWilkes | Well, I'd say either http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas#dextttw or http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas#ajax would be very good places to look |
| 01:14.55 | tobiw | i see i'm not the only one with a last minute application :D |
| 01:16.10 | MatthewWilkes | tobiw: Hehe, do you also need convincing that you should apply for my org? ;) |
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| 01:20.54 | Manca | Matt: What exactly is Dexterity TTW ? |
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| 01:21.17 | tobiw | already chose an org |
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| 01:23.05 | emmanuel_ | Matthew: Anything for someone who doesn't know Python? :) |
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| 01:24.29 | MatthewWilkes | emmanuel_: There are a few ides: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas#ajax http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas#dextttw and http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_org/google/gsoc2010/plone/ideas#offline which are getting a lot of interest |
| 01:24.51 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Sorry, didn't see that. Dexterity is a replacement for Archetypes, it lets you define a content type through the web in a control panel |
| 01:25.06 | Manca | oh, i See |
| 01:25.31 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: It's really clunky at the moment, we'd want a better UI and some jQuery/jQuery tools based extensions to make it shiny |
| 01:25.42 | emmanuel_ | cool, google gears |
| 01:25.44 | Manca | how do u activate it? |
| 01:26.02 | MatthewWilkes | emmanuel_: Well, HTML5, gears is dead |
| 01:26.12 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: It's an add-on product that's not all that stable yet |
| 01:26.25 | Manca | gotcha |
| 01:26.34 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: http://blog.isotoma.com/2010/02/beginning-development-with-plone-4-dexterity/ |
| 01:26.57 | emmanuel_ | I bet this one (html5/gears) is getting a lot of applications, right? :) |
| 01:27.18 | MatthewWilkes | emmanuel_: There has been a fair bit of interest, yes, no applications yet though, only people asking about it |
| 01:27.51 | emmanuel_ | really? no applications yet? I thought I was the only one just applying |
| 01:28.00 | Manca | ;) |
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| 01:28.18 | MatthewWilkes | no apps for that one, I should say |
| 01:28.21 | Manca | emmanuel_: people are still putting the applications together... they wanna shine :) |
| 01:28.23 | MatthewWilkes | Not enough in total though |
| 01:28.32 | emmanuel_ | hehe, I hear ya |
| 01:28.45 | MatthewWilkes | I wish people would submit early submit often |
| 01:29.21 | Manca | Matt: What kind of support from mentors can we expect if we chose your organization? |
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| 01:30.31 | emmanuel_ | I was just thinking about that this morning, I've been working on my applications for several days now, and I was wondering in the end if it is a good thing to do, maybe mentors would just prefer to know about your interest earlier, so they have more time to know you before making their minds |
| 01:32.08 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: You'd get a main mentor who would be responsible for getting you integrated in the community and helping guide you in coding |
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| 01:32.33 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: We can arrange for you to have a notional 'customer' to go to with questions about what people want out of the feature |
| 01:33.03 | MatthewWilkes | and you'll have plenty of other people (like me) around who aren't your mentor who can give you advice on how to progress |
| 01:33.25 | Manca | I understand |
| 01:33.31 | MatthewWilkes | If you have any suggestions for other things we can do we're happy to accommodate, too |
| 01:35.08 | MatthewWilkes | I'm not mentoring a student this year so I'll have more time to float around and help improve the process based on mentor and student feedback |
| 01:35.20 | Manca | what i was wondering back when I was using Plone was that maybe AJAXifying all the interface would be much more convenient for the user. I mean, editing posts, events and all that stuff on the fly would be a great addition to the CMS. |
| 01:36.28 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Control Panel > Site > Enable inline editing ? |
| 01:37.16 | MatthewWilkes | Err, Editing, not site, sorry |
| 01:38.45 | Manca | oh, ok |
| 01:38.47 | Anot | does plone have a specific application template? |
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| 01:39.17 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: Yes, http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/plone |
| 01:39.19 | Manca | I don't see "Editing" anywhere |
| 01:39.37 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Left column of the control panel, around the middle. |
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| 01:40.20 | Anot | You need to be in the member group to write documents in the gsoc_org prefix. <--- error when you click on the plone link from the organizations page on the GSOC website |
| 01:40.25 | Manca | foiund it |
| 01:40.51 | Manca | but, yeah, that's what I mean :) |
| 01:40.53 | Manca | great |
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| 01:41.27 | MatthewWilkes | Weird! |
| 01:41.36 | MatthewWilkes | Might be an error in the profile |
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| 01:43.22 | Anot | Who will be the mentor to contact for HTML 5 Offlien support integration? |
| 01:43.26 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: Cheers, thanks |
| 01:43.27 | Anot | offline* |
| 01:43.28 | MatthewWilkes | fixed |
| 01:44.26 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: We haven't got a fixed mentor for that one, it's quite broad so we'd assign someone we think would fit the person |
| 01:45.40 | Anot | So, I should just submit my proposal on the GSoc website or discuss it on the mailing list first? |
| 01:46.09 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: I think elro expressed some interest in mentoring, but yeah. |
| 01:46.20 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: I'd submit online, click "Make public" then mail that to the mailing list asking for comments |
| 01:47.09 | Anot | thanks, will do the same. |
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| 01:52.27 | Manca | Matt: how hard do you think is to make Dexterity fulfill the needs of Plone? |
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| 01:53.14 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: What do you mean, the TTW editor? |
| 01:53.28 | Manca | exactly |
| 01:54.09 | MatthewWilkes | It needs some serious effort, it's only had a few man days on it so far. If you want to know more about it you could ask davisagli and optilude in #plone |
| 01:55.51 | Manca | ok |
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| 01:58.41 | Anot | for the HTML5 Offline support idea, what are you guys looking for exactly? gears implementation like zoho has or the same using just HTML 5 since Google has stopped supporting Gears? |
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| 02:00.15 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: We're looking for a system that lets us say certain documents are available offline and then when visiting the site those are downloaded into the SQLite database of HTML5 |
| 02:00.29 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: We'd also like to support editing and workflow changes to that content |
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| 02:01.21 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: They're both online atm if you're interested ;) |
| 02:01.41 | Manca | im actually reading and looking in some code :) |
| 02:01.53 | Manca | since I never worked with Dexterity TTW editor |
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| 02:02.55 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: That's fine, we're not scary, they'll just be able to explain it more easily than me as they've worked on it more |
| 02:03.30 | Manca | alright |
| 02:04.17 | Anot | So, basically a mix of both Gears and HTML5 if I'm not wrong |
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| 02:04.54 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: No, just HTML5 |
| 02:05.03 | MatthewWilkes | Don't think Gears gives you anything special? |
| 02:05.22 | Anot | yeah, but it would've made implementing the offline support easier |
| 02:05.29 | Anot | the ideas page seemed a bit confusing |
| 02:06.08 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: Some of it was written before Gears became unused. As a rule though we won't want anything that relies on obsolete tech :) |
| 02:07.59 | Anot | Yeah, I understand. good I made this clear before finalizing my proposal :) |
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| 02:10.02 | Anot | Any other interesting projects which are a priority to Plone? |
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| 02:11.33 | MatthewWilkes | Anot: Those three are the biggest JS based ones, what kind of thing are you interested in? |
| 02:11.47 | MatthewWilkes | I'm losing track of nicks now |
| 02:12.54 | Manca | hehe, it's been only me and Anot, matt :) |
| 02:13.39 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: In here |
| 02:13.47 | Manca | :) |
| 02:13.56 | MatthewWilkes | and emmanuel_ has asked some questions too |
| 02:14.57 | Manca | that's right |
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| 02:15.45 | BolivarErroneous | Party time, excellent! |
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| 02:31.05 | Manca | MatthewWilkes: Where can I find PloneFormGen? I searched in products section, but didn't find it. |
| 02:33.00 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: http://plone.org/products/ploneformgen - or just add Products.PloneFormGen to your buildout |
| 02:33.15 | Manca | oh coo, thx |
| 02:36.12 | codestasher | !timeline |
| 02:36.12 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 02:37.16 | Manca | i included it in buildout and rebuilt it, but now plone won't start (even tho the instance is running) |
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| 02:38.03 | MatthewWilkes | Manca: Best to ask that kind of thing in #plone rather than here, we're wandering somewhat offtopic |
| 02:38.20 | Manca | correct, I'm sorry |
| 02:38.34 | mmadia | MrBlueSky : did you submit your proposal yet? |
| 02:39.01 | BolivarErroneous | Party proposal? |
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| 02:39.54 | mmadia | student project proposal :) |
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| 02:50.17 | felipevieira | !next |
| 02:50.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 03:01.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 03:04.31 | Glavata | Hey guys, I am unable to find when transcripts are due for student applications? Or where/when to submit them? |
| 03:05.01 | tobiw | Glavata: http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 03:05.13 | Glavata | oh I think I see now, they are not needed to be accepted ? |
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| 03:05.20 | tobiw | Glavata: deadline is in the channel's title |
| 03:05.40 | Glavata | Yeah, I did the application but it did not request any transcript |
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| 03:06.39 | tobiw | oh, transcripts ... sorry :) |
| 03:07.43 | tobiw | i think a printout of your study transcript is enough, no need for getting an 'official' one |
| 03:07.46 | tobiw | correct me if i'm wrong |
| 03:08.00 | Glavata | Yeah it says just that, or a proof of enrolment |
| 03:08.12 | Glavata | I though it was used to decide who gets accepted but guess not |
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| 04:42.54 | zooko | I am a Mentor and Administrator (for the Tahoe-LAFS project). |
| 04:43.09 | zooko | Can I see what other proposals a student has submitted to other organizations? |
| 04:43.37 | robbyoconnor | zooko: no |
| 04:43.44 | zooko | robbyoconnor: thanks. |
| 04:43.47 | robbyoconnor | conflicts will be resolved at a later date in an IRC meeting |
| 04:44.04 | movicont | will the irc meeting be in this channel? |
| 04:44.20 | zooko | Yes, but my motivation right now is to help students submit proposals better... |
| 04:44.29 | zooko | Rather than to resolve conflicts. But if I can't, I can't. |
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| 04:46.45 | tobiw | the most important thing is the application at melange right now, right? all documents, transcripts, taxes stuff will be requested by google later after the 9th? |
| 04:47.03 | robbyoconnor | movicont: unlikely |
| 04:47.25 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: correct |
| 04:47.41 | robbyoconnor | (I already successfully participated in 2008 and 2009) |
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| 04:49.23 | tobiw | i still don't understand what google means by Foreign Certification |
| 04:49.32 | coppro | huh? |
| 04:49.41 | coppro | where's it say that |
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| 04:50.27 | tobiw | for students outside the us |
| 04:51.22 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: it will be explained at a later date |
| 04:51.27 | robbyoconnor | just relax |
| 04:51.30 | tobiw | ok :) |
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| 04:54.21 | tobiw | also, any recommendations about the time available for the project. what should i write in my application? as a student i'm not allowed to work more than 20 h a week but maybe google or the organizations want to see near-full-time? |
| 04:55.51 | tobiw | i just want to know if that's a big no-go :) |
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| 04:56.53 | Catfish_Man | tobiw: it's usually considered to be around full time |
| 04:57.05 | Catfish_Man | it's *possible* to work less, but most mentors will be extremely wary of that |
| 04:57.59 | xiainx | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_time |
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| 05:00.12 | tansell | how are other orgs doing for student proposals? |
| 05:00.17 | tansell | we are really down from last year |
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| 05:01.30 | tobiw | Catfish_Man: the thing is that i can arrange my study/gsoc workload like i want. it's just the official regulation that doesn't allow my to do more than 20 h/week of regular employment. but gsoc isn't really regular employment :D |
| 05:01.51 | tobiw | i've already talked about it with my mentor and he's fine with it |
| 05:01.54 | Catfish_Man | I *think* gsoc counts as an internship legally |
| 05:01.56 | Catfish_Man | or contracting |
| 05:01.56 | robbyoconnor | tobiaw: yes it is LOL |
| 05:01.57 | Catfish_Man | I don't remember |
| 05:02.11 | robbyoconnor | you're hired as a contractor for google officially |
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| 05:03.13 | tobiw | hm, that could be a problem ... but that would exclude all german students or a lot of students that are studying abroad so there must be a way |
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| 05:04.31 | tobiw | i can't be the only one with that problem :D |
| 05:04.48 | Manca | tansell: Which is your organization? |
| 05:05.06 | tansell | Thousand Parsec |
| 05:05.17 | tobiw | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_time isn't very helpful in that matter |
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| 05:06.58 | tansell | kai, how goes WorldForge? |
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| 05:16.12 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: there's no way to say how long it'd take |
| 05:16.35 | robbyoconnor | I put 80+ hrs in |
| 05:16.56 | robbyoconnor | plus countless hours after soc to get in a releasable state post-refactoring |
| 05:17.02 | tobiw | i know. i'm very flexibel so i can work almost full-time on it because i don't have any exams or classes at uni this year |
| 05:17.12 | tobiw | but officially i'm only allowed to work 20 hrs/week |
| 05:17.23 | tobiw | which i assume could be a problem with the contract!? |
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| 05:18.56 | robbyoconnor | tobiw: there's no time tracking |
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| 05:19.06 | robbyoconnor | just say you didn't work over 20 hrs :) |
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| 05:21.02 | tobiw | robbyoconnor: should i mention the 20 hour limit in the application or better only talk about the flexibility? |
| 05:21.53 | tobiw | i guess in the end it's only important that the contract doesn't mention any weekly/monthly working hours |
| 05:22.35 | robbyoconnor | it doesnt |
| 05:22.44 | Catfish_Man | tobiw: if you feel that will restrict the amount of work you can put in, you should definitely mention it |
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| 05:23.44 | tobiw | it won't since i can do what i want with my time (master thesis student) and my supervisor knows about gsoc |
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| 05:24.58 | tobiw | it's really just one of those annying 'official' things |
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| 05:26.13 | Catfish_Man | ok. Up to you then. Getting the project done is the important part :) |
| 05:26.56 | tobiw | yeah :) i guess officially it'll just be a very good payment per hour ;) |
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| 05:29.52 | zooko | http://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2010-April/004232.html |
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| 05:31.47 | tobiw | nice one |
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| 05:40.11 | kblin | tansell: morning |
| 05:40.52 | kblin | tansell: applications are beginning to look pretty nice :) |
| 05:41.05 | kblin | tansell: how's thousand parsec doing? |
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| 06:48.25 | X30 | i have limited experience in c/c++ , i want to do a gsoc project but all of them seem to be complicated |
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| 06:52.00 | robbyoconnor | X30: you're getting paid $5000 |
| 06:52.03 | robbyoconnor | expect that. |
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| 06:53.12 | X30 | if i pick a project to do but if i am unable to complete it what happens expect not getting paid |
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| 06:57.02 | kai | X30: well, it's less likely that a project will select you again the following years |
| 06:58.15 | kai | X30: but there's a lot of projects that don't require C/C++ |
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| 06:58.58 | Manca | kai: which organization is yours? |
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| 07:00.12 | kai | Manca: WorldForge, Wine and Samba. Pick as many as you like |
| 07:00.31 | Manca | Nice :) |
| 07:00.38 | Manca | I love Samba and Wine |
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| 07:02.51 | kai | same here, or I wouldn't be spending my time on those :) |
| 07:03.47 | Manca | I li bet! |
| 07:03.53 | Manca | li = "" |
| 07:03.57 | Manca | lol |
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| 07:06.01 | thebolt | Morning guys |
| 07:06.04 | thebolt | and girls |
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| 08:10.11 | kai | thebolt: morning :) |
| 08:10.30 | |Kev| | Morning all. |
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| 08:12.17 | Rafael_Souza | morning ;] |
| 08:12.56 | vabs | hello every body can anybody give the idea about pidgin |
| 08:13.26 | vabs | i want to develop some plugin for pidgin |
| 08:13.51 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 08:13.51 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 08:15.38 | skbohra | vabs try on #pidgin ? |
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| 08:16.32 | thebolt | hi kai , how's it going? |
| 08:16.46 | vabs | skbohra: yes i made a plugin for orkut and facebook |
| 08:18.24 | skbohra | nice |
| 08:18.35 | skbohra | you better ask the question on #pidgin |
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| 08:19.50 | _Samo | do you have any advice for risk management tecniques in GSoC projects? |
| 08:19.58 | _Samo | for mentoring orgs |
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| 08:20.43 | |Kev| | Measure twice, cut once? :) |
| 08:20.43 | scorche | _Samo: you might want to read through this: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoringGuide |
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| 08:23.09 | x` | good morning |
| 08:23.14 | x` | !countdown |
| 08:23.15 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 08:26.35 | kai | thebolt: fine, having fun trying to use dynamic dispatch in bash |
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| 08:27.16 | kai | ah, thinking to complicated |
| 08:28.23 | smtms | bash is not the answer to everything |
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| 08:29.12 | kai | smtms: right. how'd you automate the sequential run of 8 perl scripts? :) |
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| 08:29.50 | smtms | :-) |
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| 08:30.49 | |Kev| | kai: sequential run? script1&&script2&&... |
| 08:31.03 | |Kev| | I suspect I'm missing a requirement here. |
| 08:31.20 | gpro | hi, are mentors can see how many proposal do i submit? |
| 08:31.29 | |Kev| | gpro: no, but why do you ask? |
| 08:31.40 | kai | right. I want to be able to start and stop at a given step |
| 08:32.27 | |Kev| | Ahh. |
| 08:32.33 | gpro | well too much proposals may be controversy i think.. |
| 08:32.46 | gpro | i mean they can think hmm others can give slot to that student |
| 08:32.51 | gpro | then lets we don't etc. |
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| 08:33.12 | kai | gpro: actually all I care about is the proposal quality and the interaction with the student |
| 08:33.24 | |Kev| | gpro: Submitting a small number of proposals is expected. |
| 08:33.45 | kai | if one of these suffers because the student is juggling too many proposals, I'm not going to pick the student |
| 08:33.46 | |Kev| | If you try and submit 20 proposals, they're none of them likely to be good, but as long as it's a good proposal I'll treat it as such. |
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| 08:34.32 | gpro | i know i know |
| 08:35.14 | gpro | anyway thx for information |
| 08:35.43 | gpro | i'll not submit 20,30 proposals , it would be crazy :p |
| 08:36.03 | kai | well, I'd be surprised if you managed more than 20, as that's melange's limit ;) |
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| 08:36.10 | pyav | is here any mentor of esa |
| 08:36.15 | |Kev| | !anyone |
| 08:36.16 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 08:38.31 | skbohra | pyav: ^ |
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| 08:48.39 | poggie | Does anyone have expiriences with german students, who are "Werksstudenten" wich means they have a 20h/week Job but also are fulltime students? |
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| 08:49.13 | |Kev| | poggie: no, but it sounds a bad idea to mix that with gsoc. |
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| 08:51.44 | poggie | @|Kev| yes the legal aspacts are quite difficult to figure out. Because of the timeconsuming tasks during gsoc I talked to my company and will recieve special holidays for the time of gsoc |
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| 08:53.05 | neo01124 | what are key aspects that mentoring org look for in project proposals? |
| 08:53.10 | smtms | poggie, are you a Werkstudent? |
| 08:53.18 | |Kev| | neo01124: depends entirely on teh org. |
| 08:53.20 | poggie | yes |
| 08:54.34 | neo01124 | |Kev|:somethings might be generic .. |
| 08:54.37 | neo01124 | ? |
| 08:54.58 | x` | poggie: you will get 12 weeks of vacation? |
| 08:55.00 | |Kev| | Yes, answering the questions you're asked, understanding the proposal you're applying for, having discussed it fully with the organisation in advance. |
| 08:55.06 | Catfish_Man | neo01124: common ones are self-motivation, enthusiasm, ability to communicate with others, experience, skill, and planning |
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| 08:56.19 | Catfish_Man | anyway, I need to sleep |
| 08:56.50 | dreimark | likes the bot running here, which one is it and where can I get it? |
| 08:57.06 | Catfish_Man | probably supybot or infobot, but I don't know |
| 08:57.08 | Catfish_Man | 'night |
| 08:57.11 | kai | dreimark: I think it's a supybot, but I think danderson runs it |
| 08:57.14 | kai | night Catfish_Man |
| 08:57.20 | Abhinav1 | is back (gone 00:04:46) |
| 08:58.00 | kai | Abhinav1: please turn off that script, I doubt 360 people want to know how long you were gone |
| 08:58.17 | skbohra | seriously |
| 08:58.40 | poggie | x': no I will get 10 weeks, and only the half of the money but that sounds fair to me |
| 08:59.01 | thebolt | wish he got any vacation this year.. |
| 08:59.21 | kai | poggie: you're aware that this might get you above the income limit, right? |
| 09:00.12 | kai | poggie: I'm not a tax expert in any case, but I'd suggest you calculate that one carefully |
| 09:00.54 | kai | especially if your parents are still getting kindergeld and your health insurance is covered by them |
| 09:00.55 | poggie | yes this and troubble with the healthcar insurence, pensions insurence, and so on, but thats why I am asking for expiriences |
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| 09:01.28 | poggie | they dont get any |
| 09:01.47 | kai | ah, ok, then you just have to worry about pension and health insurance :) |
| 09:02.30 | kai | and I'm not sure if you can work "freiberuflich" without a degree in the area of your work |
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| 09:02.37 | thebolt | don't you love interacting with the gov? :) |
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| 09:03.08 | kai | but I have to admit that I don't know the exact rules in that area |
| 09:03.29 | kai | I just made sure that I kept below the ~8k bucks a year I was allowed to earn :) |
| 09:03.56 | thebolt | heh |
| 09:04.19 | thebolt | in sweden, when you have gov. study support, the income limit is per half-year.. which screws some people over badly |
| 09:04.28 | thebolt | cause if you work in the summer all of that income ends up in second half-year |
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| 09:05.59 | kai | thebolt: hm, dunno. I never qualified for a study loan in germany |
| 09:06.21 | kai | my parents' income is too high |
| 09:06.46 | poggie | I did neither ;-) |
| 09:07.21 | thebolt | here it does not depends on your parents.. everyone has the same ability to get the grant+loan (1/4 grant, 3/4 loan approx) |
| 09:07.28 | thebolt | i never took the loan-part though |
| 09:08.11 | kai | thebolt: well, in germany you need to pay money for going to university, at least in most states |
| 09:08.44 | thebolt | kai: much? |
| 09:08.58 | kai | thebolt: compared to the US ivory league, nope |
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| 09:09.10 | thebolt | absolute money? ;) |
| 09:09.19 | kai | thebolt: it's 500 eur/semester |
| 09:09.37 | kai | for my state, that is |
| 09:09.41 | kai | not sure about others |
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| 09:10.41 | kai | poggie: anyway, why don't you save yourself the hassle of tax/insurance issues and just contribute to open source for free like most of us? :) |
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| 09:13.22 | poggie | good point but I would have liked 2 month of exclusive coding for a project |
| 09:13.57 | kai | true |
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| 09:14.35 | poggie | my charge is also 500 + ca 200 administration fee |
| 09:14.44 | kai | your work as Werkstudent doesn't include software development, does it? |
| 09:15.44 | poggie | ist does, I study computer sience and as Werkstudent the job must have to do with the studies |
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| 09:16.16 | bert2 | in frankfurt you only pay roughly 250 eur administration fee |
| 09:16.44 | poggie | hmm, maybe I schould move ;-) |
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| 09:17.48 | kai | poggie: oh, then there's an additional legal gem in there. Technically, while you're employed in a coding job, your employer gets the copyright of your work |
| 09:18.32 | smtms | your work you do as part of the employment? |
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| 09:18.47 | kai | smtms: that's actually not the point |
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| 09:19.22 | poggie | yes but I took care of this, and got a ammendment in my contract, wich reserves the right of my privat coding to me |
| 09:19.36 | kai | ah, ok, you're fine then |
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| 09:21.06 | kai | poggie: so I guess if you figure out how to solve your tax/insurance issues, you should be fine |
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| 09:22.45 | poggie | I will try, on todays afternoon I have a meeting with some people from the health insurance, I hope they know at least a bit |
| 09:22.54 | poggie | thanks for your help |
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| 09:27.02 | ashish1221 | !next |
| 09:27.02 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 09:27.09 | ashish1221 | !info |
| 09:27.09 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids.info). |
| 09:27.22 | smtms | !about |
| 09:27.23 | socinfo | Error: "about" is not a valid command. |
| 09:27.31 | smtms | !help |
| 09:27.31 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 09:28.00 | ashish1221 | !advice |
| 09:28.01 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 09:43.08 | erenn | hello al |
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| 10:57.40 | mmadia | !countdown |
| 10:57.40 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 10:57.53 | mmadia | !edit |
| 10:57.53 | socinfo | "edit" is You can submit your application early and edit it up until the deadline (April 9). Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
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| 10:59.28 | sheki | !countdown |
| 10:59.28 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 11:54.11 | jimbozhang | !next |
| 11:54.11 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 11:55.59 | konza | when is the last date for applying for gsoc? |
| 11:56.05 | erenn | !countdown |
| 11:56.05 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 11:56.58 | konza | hey..... till april 9th... 12.00 midnight? |
| 11:57.06 | konza | is that rite? |
| 11:58.23 | konza | ? |
| 11:58.25 | konza | anyone pls |
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| 11:59.00 | mmadia | that depends on your location. it's easiest to look at what socinfo said about "countdown". |
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| 12:08.25 | Gangadhar | can anyone tell me where I can get some previous GSOC submitted applications |
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| 12:17.57 | arvind_khadri | Gangadhar, have a look at http://madhusudancs.info |
| 12:18.51 | Gangadhar | arvind_khadri: Thanx did u finished your proposal? |
| 12:19.17 | arvind_khadri | Gangadhar, kind of. |
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| 12:20.02 | Gangadhar | arvind_khadri: I am also on the way... I will submit it tomorrow.. |
| 12:20.15 | manu___ | i logged in to melagne with my google id |
| 12:20.24 | arvind_khadri | Gangadhar, good. which org ? |
| 12:20.40 | manu___ | it prompted me for creating a user rpofle i filled the form and submitted...got a 500 server error |
| 12:20.43 | Gangadhar | arvind_khadri: AbiWord. u?? |
| 12:20.54 | arvind_khadri | Gangadhar, rtems |
| 12:20.56 | manu___ | now its logged in |
| 12:21.07 | manu___ | there is an option to create profile in the left panel |
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| 12:21.28 | manu___ | but as soon as i click in it shows this account already as profile attached with it |
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| 12:22.18 | Gangadhar | manu___: dont u see Edit Profile? |
| 12:22.52 | manu___ | hey it started showing |
| 12:22.55 | manu___ | surprising |
| 12:24.23 | manu___ | now how to add a role? |
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| 12:27.07 | Abhinav1 | manu___: there is a link to register yourself as student and mentor |
| 12:27.26 | manu___ | oh thanx |
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| 12:28.25 | Abhinav1 | manu___: np |
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| 13:12.40 | shreyas | is it ok if after submitting your propasal, you have not got any feedback |
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| 13:13.48 | shree | shreyas: happened with me last year |
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| 13:14.07 | shreyas | shree: but did your propasol get thro |
| 13:14.19 | shree | shreyas: yeah it did :) |
| 13:14.32 | shreyas | shree: ok thats good to know |
| 13:14.54 | shree | shreyas: :) but i got feedback on mailing list and irc |
| 13:17.23 | MikaelL | A somewhat specific question, does Crystal Space compile cleanly with -Waöll -Wextra on gcc4 ? |
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| 13:17.47 | MikaelL | I prefer writing my code with -Wall -Wextra -Werror -ansi -pedantic |
| 13:18.15 | MikaelL | And would be happy if the code base compiles with those flags, should my application be accepted. |
| 13:18.26 | MikaelL | oh lol wrong window, sorry :) |
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| 13:55.35 | BarryCarlyon | How do you edit a application you made? |
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| 13:56.41 | BarryCarlyon | s/application/proposal |
| 13:56.45 | BarryCarlyon | !help |
| 13:56.45 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 13:57.28 | BarryCarlyon | Ah never mind I can see the link now.... |
| 13:57.37 | BarryCarlyon | Right in front of my eyes |
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| 14:38.56 | aghisla | enjoys being mentor :) |
| 14:39.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | :) |
| 14:39.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | hi aghisla |
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| 14:39.21 | aghisla | hey Wolf_OSGeo! |
| 14:39.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | has a student contacted you or just in general? |
| 14:40.35 | aghisla | i'm reviewing the proposals |
| 14:40.42 | Wolf_OSGeo | ahh :D |
| 14:40.44 | sfb | There are some real gems |
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| 14:42.17 | shree | aghisla: w00t |
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| 14:43.25 | thebolt | hi |
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| 14:45.03 | madwink | hi cgk |
| 14:45.06 | madwink | cgl |
| 14:45.14 | CGL | heya!! |
| 14:45.27 | CGL | T.T must signup soon |
| 14:45.36 | CGL | ops |
| 14:45.38 | CGL | sorry |
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| 14:48.10 | aghisla | it's nice to see that this year i am mentor and my last year's mentor applied as student. |
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| 14:49.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | hi thebolt! |
| 14:49.19 | Wolf_OSGeo | aghisla: it cracks me up :D |
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| 14:53.59 | ihalip | aghisla: payback time? |
| 14:54.05 | nsm | is away: Off to real life |
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| 14:56.13 | aghisla | ihalip: heh not mentoring him but it's great to see the switch :) |
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| 14:56.18 | aghisla | something to blog about |
| 14:56.32 | sravan | In Trying to create my user Profile, I am encountering trouble in filling the first box of the following : http://socghop.appspot.com/user/create_profile |
| 14:56.48 | sravan | It's not accepting what ever digits I type in |
| 14:57.02 | sravan | What do I have to fill in that column ? |
| 14:58.41 | sravan | Please some oine help me out |
| 14:58.50 | CGL | ?? |
| 15:00.02 | Garuma | !timeline |
| 15:00.02 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 15:03.32 | kdaks | hi if i propose a project in ASF do i have to submit it to the JIRA |
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| 15:04.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | sravan: what box? what does it ask for? |
| 15:04.59 | kdaks | i have submit the proposal to gsoc site after discussing in ML would that be sufficient |
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| 15:05.25 | Wolf_OSGeo | yes but what field is giving you trouble? |
| 15:05.27 | sravan | Thank you...got it resolved |
| 15:05.28 | sravan | :) |
| 15:05.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | ok |
| 15:05.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | mixed two students... :S |
| 15:06.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | kdaks: is that a question? |
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| 15:06.33 | manu___ | can i attach Files to my Application , as i dont have webspace to host my Supporting Files |
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| 15:06.45 | aghisla | Wolf_OSGeo: poor mixed students |
| 15:07.02 | kdaks | <Wolf_OSGeo> Yes.i am sorry if that is ASF specific , |
| 15:07.03 | nsm | is back (gone 00:12:58) |
| 15:07.14 | dberkholz | nsm: could you disable your away/back messages, please |
| 15:07.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | kdaks: can you rephraise. I don't see a question. It is a statement which resolves to true ;) |
| 15:07.49 | Ohs | Question: Is that possible that someone contribute in a project and pick up as the same time? (the person had only some basic knowledge about the programming) |
| 15:08.00 | nsm | dberkholz: sorry |
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| 15:08.51 | kdaks | Wolf_OSGeo: if i propose a project in ASF do i have to submit it to the JIRA |
| 15:08.52 | kdaks | ? |
| 15:09.16 | kdaks | i have submit the proposal to gsoc site after discussing in ML would that be sufficient? |
| 15:09.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | kdaks: you *have* to submit it to melange, the rest is up to the org |
| 15:09.57 | dberkholz | nsm: no need to apologize as long as you make the change =) |
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| 15:10.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | kdaks: so ask them |
| 15:13.16 | kdaks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | kdaks: I live to serve :) |
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| 15:14.06 | kdaks | :) |
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| 15:45.35 | _Samo | when can we start raking applications to our org? |
| 15:45.45 | _Samo | can we do it before the application time ends? |
| 15:46.07 | _Samo | well I suppose students can edit their proposal till the last minute |
| 15:47.28 | mmadia | _Samo : this year, i'm encouraging my mentors to not assign points until the deadline passes. |
| 15:47.39 | _Samo | ok good then |
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| 15:50.44 | umashanthi | Hi, I tried to justify the text in my application. But once I save, that formatting is not retrieved. Is it the same for everyone? |
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| 15:51.25 | skbohra | umashanthi: yeah sort of |
| 15:51.45 | skbohra | umashanthi: though i managed to make it good enough in the end |
| 15:51.58 | kdaks | <umashanthi> it was terrible earlier |
| 15:52.14 | kdaks | but now it seems to be ok |
| 15:52.17 | umashanthi | skbohra: Did you manage to make the text justified? |
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| 15:52.46 | skbohra | umashanthi: i am not sure |
| 15:53.00 | skbohra | umashanthi: though it hardly matters |
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| 15:54.06 | umashanthi | skbohra: okay, I will try as possible. else leave it as it is |
| 15:54.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | umashanthi: don't worry too much about the formatting. Everybody knows the input fields have issues |
| 15:54.41 | umashanthi | Wolf_OSGeo: okay |
| 15:55.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | nobody more than admins. We have to deal with at least 3 of them (minimum) |
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| 15:55.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | cant wait for the wiki syntax support :D |
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| 16:02.51 | ashish1221 | !hep |
| 16:02.51 | socinfo | Error: "hep" is not a valid command. |
| 16:02.55 | ashish1221 | !help |
| 16:02.56 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 16:07.03 | ihalip | !wiki |
| 16:07.04 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 16:07.57 | aghisla | time for some tea, BarryCarlyon? |
| 16:08.15 | aghisla | offers butter biscuits |
| 16:08.25 | BarryCarlyon | I'll put the kettle on. |
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| 16:09.41 | aghisla | BarryCarlyon: great, thanks :) |
| 16:09.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | can a wolf join the tea party? |
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| 16:10.56 | BarryCarlyon | Sure. |
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| 16:12.01 | ihalip | dang |
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| 16:12.09 | ihalip | i had 4 teas today already |
| 16:12.12 | ihalip | caught a cold |
| 16:12.47 | Wolf_OSGeo | I had too many :P but it's the biscuits which interest me :P |
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| 16:13.01 | aghisla | ihalip: add some honey :) |
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| 16:13.55 | ihalip | will do, but right now i'm too lazy |
| 16:13.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | ihalip: and lemon and chili! |
| 16:14.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | the chili will open you up, so you can breathe! |
| 16:14.40 | ihalip | no chilli, no way, no how |
| 16:14.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | yes chili |
| 16:14.51 | ihalip | i want to be able to sleep tonight |
| 16:15.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | unless you are allergic of course |
| 16:15.12 | aghisla | then tale some rhum |
| 16:15.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | perhaps peppermint then? |
| 16:15.28 | aghisla | (was that hot milk and rhum?) |
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| 16:15.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | to sleep? I think if you take enough rhum it should do the trick :P |
| 16:15.55 | ihalip | lemon. and nothing else |
| 16:16.30 | ihalip | also, no drinking, i had more than enough this weekend |
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| 16:16.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | and honey and chili and rhum and hot milk to make it the gsoc drink-of-curing-colds |
| 16:17.30 | Wolf_OSGeo | sees we are 404 people here. We are lost! |
| 16:17.40 | BarryCarlyon | Teas ready! |
| 16:17.45 | BarryCarlyon | hands round green tea. |
| 16:17.54 | aghisla | thanks! |
| 16:17.55 | thebolt | Evening people |
| 16:18.18 | aghisla | hey thebolt, have a cup of tea |
| 16:18.40 | thebolt | thanks, but can I save it for later, just about to do dinner? :) |
| 16:19.01 | Wolf_OSGeo | evening thebolt! :D |
| 16:19.23 | aghisla | drenches a biscuit |
| 16:19.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | smaklig måltid, see you later ;) |
| 16:19.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | wolfs down a biscuit |
| 16:19.47 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: well, i am about to cook dinner.. and it takes some time in the owen ,) |
| 16:20.00 | thebolt | (and my owen is less than 3 meters from my computer :P) |
| 16:20.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: ahh, well now you must tell us what you are making |
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| 16:20.30 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: very simple.. some sausages and tomatoes baked in owen with mashed potatoes |
| 16:20.54 | BarryCarlyon | Everyone to thebolt's for dinner. |
| 16:21.01 | BarryCarlyon | I'll bring the tea. |
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| 16:21.08 | aghisla | i take a cake |
| 16:21.12 | thebolt | BarryCarlyon: you are welcome, if you are nearby ;) |
| 16:21.36 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: yum. It's been a while since I've had that :) |
| 16:22.10 | BarryCarlyon | http://foursquare.com/user/barrycarlyon |
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| 16:22.28 | thebolt | i should watch out for that MikaelL guy.. he can actually be just nearby :P |
| 16:24.21 | BarryCarlyon | Rofl. |
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| 16:27.16 | francescolaffi | Hi there, in student proposal submission page, what does 'make public' checkbox means? Can the chosen organization read the proposal if unchecked or should be checked? |
| 16:28.23 | jkwood | If you check it, you can share it with the world. |
| 16:28.29 | jkwood | If not, only the mentors can read it. |
| 16:29.01 | jkwood | It would be very silly for the organization who is choosing you couldn't read your application, don't you think? |
| 16:29.56 | gpolo | jkwood: so the student still has to give his application url in order to share, right ? like google docs, hard to guess the url of a document even if it is public |
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| 16:30.03 | skbohra | jkwood: may be until the deadline or just for keeping it as a draft |
| 16:30.04 | gpolo | I don't see a list of "public proposals" at least |
| 16:30.19 | jkwood | gpolo: Well, yes. |
| 16:30.56 | jkwood | skbohra: I think it makes more sense as it is currently - we've given advice to several of our students in order to improve their application before the deadline. |
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| 16:31.03 | jkwood | It helps them and helps us. |
| 16:31.14 | francescolaffi | yes, I thought it could be something like keep unchecked while writing the proposal and check when is finished, so I wanted to be sure the mentors can read it |
| 16:32.06 | skbohra | francescolaffi: but it is not like that |
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| 16:32.25 | skbohra | francescolaffi: its like jkwood said |
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| 16:32.58 | francescolaffi | ok, thanks |
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| 16:33.16 | jkwood | np. |
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| 16:34.15 | vegard | if a comment is added to the proposal, would I get an e-mail about it? |
| 16:34.30 | vegard | (and does it matter whether or not I subscribe to updates?) |
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| 16:34.53 | jkwood | I think you have to subscribe to updates in order to get emails. |
| 16:35.06 | jkwood | At least, that seems to be how our applicants are responding. |
| 16:35.09 | aghisla | vegard: i feel it matters - what "subscribe to updates" would do then? |
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| 16:35.28 | vegard | aghisla: well, it could mean you get an e-mail whenever the document changes |
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| 16:35.48 | aghisla | as well yes |
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| 16:36.00 | aghisla | just guessing :) |
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| 16:36.45 | AgentScorpion | !fletching @yew longbow |
| 16:36.46 | socinfo | Error: "fletching" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:37.55 | spectie | !timeline |
| 16:37.56 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 16:38.45 | epps | !countdown |
| 16:38.46 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 16:45.37 | shreyas | how do i know if my application has been accepted or not |
| 16:45.52 | |Kev| | You wait until the results are announced. |
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| 17:02.06 | emmanuel_pastor | so, how many projects are you guys applying for? |
| 17:02.39 | jkwood | 8,000. |
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| 17:03.41 | safal_soni | socinfo:who can be the non GSOC mentors |
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| 17:04.09 | danderson | your question doesn't make any sense |
| 17:04.16 | danderson | also, socinfo is a bot, it can't answer questions. |
| 17:04.25 | BarryCarlyon | Woo got all my applications in :-) |
| 17:04.30 | jkwood | I think he's asking about independent projects. |
| 17:04.33 | BarryCarlyon | Well drafts there of. |
| 17:04.58 | danderson | ah |
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| 17:05.21 | danderson | safal_soni: if jkwood understood your question correctly, the mentor can be anyone who has some authority in the subject of your proposal |
| 17:05.34 | emmanuel_pastor | Barry, how many projects did you apply for? |
| 17:05.44 | danderson | obviously, suggesting your mother or your best friend won't look very credible. |
| 17:05.54 | danderson | (unless your mother or best friend happen to be open source domain experts) |
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| 17:12.33 | kimelto | morning! |
| 17:13.00 | BarryCarlyon | emmanuel_pastor: I've applied for two under wordpress and one under geeklog. Yourself? |
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| 17:20.15 | emmanuel_pastor | Barry: Just 2 so far, but I think I'm going to apply for another 1 |
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| 17:21.46 | BarryCarlyon | emmanuel_pastor: good luck :-) I've applied for two every year, first year the orgs had to fight it out as they both wanted me :-P |
| 17:22.48 | emmanuel_pastor | good luck back at ya!, though I don't think you need it ;) |
| 17:23.03 | BarryCarlyon | :-) |
| 17:23.10 | aghisla | everyone needs some extra luck heh :) |
| 17:23.16 | emmanuel_pastor | I hope that at least one org will want me this year :) |
| 17:23.52 | emmanuel_pastor | aghisla: right! |
| 17:23.52 | BarryCarlyon | :-) |
| 17:24.00 | BarryCarlyon | Everyone needs Tea! |
| 17:24.13 | emmanuel_pastor | ha, ha |
| 17:24.18 | aghisla | good luck emmanuel_pastor! |
| 17:24.37 | emmanuel_pastor | thanks aghilsa, you too! |
| 17:25.59 | emmanuel_pastor | I already have a job (work for an outsourcing company), and I already asked my employer to keep my summer free, just in case, so it is either work for one of the orgs (if any picks me), or a couple of months free, I guess I can't complain either way :) |
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| 17:27.13 | BarryCarlyon | Wish I had a job. I'm in my last year of uni, so job hunting.... |
| 17:27.37 | ihalip | it's not what it's all cracked up to be |
| 17:28.00 | ihalip | i have a job, and college at the same time |
| 17:28.03 | ihalip | it sucks |
| 17:28.21 | Catfish_Man | I like my job a lot :) |
| 17:28.43 | ihalip | me too, but it's the old story with ' |
| 17:28.50 | ihalip | little time to do both' |
| 17:29.01 | aghisla | yup |
| 17:29.02 | rajat | yeah and i'm jealous of catfish_man |
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| 17:29.18 | aghisla | i can't believe how people can work and have time to study |
| 17:29.27 | Catfish_Man | although my hands hurt, sigh. I should take it easy for a bit |
| 17:29.41 | aghisla | my past job took all energies for the day |
| 17:29.49 | ihalip | aghisla: simple: i don't work, and i barely study anything :) |
| 17:29.50 | emmanuel_pastor | ha, ha well, yes, sometimes working while doing collegue sucks, you have responsabilities that your pals don't, you will definitely miss some parties etc, but on the other hand, you get tons of real world experience and cash |
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| 17:30.05 | aghisla | ihalip: LOL |
| 17:30.17 | ihalip | even though i DO work, and study |
| 17:31.40 | Catfish_Man | aghisla: there's also a wide range of jobs. I work hard, but I'm doing effectively nothing compared to a lot of the guys working on the iphone stuff |
| 17:31.53 | Catfish_Man | a friend of mine was working ~92 hour weeks on that |
| 17:31.59 | ihalip | whoah |
| 17:32.00 | aghisla | Catfish_Man: D: |
| 17:32.22 | emmanuel_pastor | 92 hours? wow |
| 17:33.11 | aghisla | Catfish_Man: it's a friend of gold mine then.. :P |
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| 17:33.20 | Catfish_Man | hm? |
| 17:33.33 | aghisla | terrible pun. sorry |
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| 17:36.59 | emmanuel_pastor | I did work on an iPhone project, mid 2009 I think, but the customer only hired me half time (I get payed 25 bucks an hour, and the customer hired me for only 4 hours a day) |
| 17:37.14 | Catfish_Man | emmanuel_pastor: you got robbed then |
| 17:37.19 | ihalip | 100$ / day? |
| 17:37.25 | ihalip | wow. |
| 17:37.27 | Catfish_Man | but I was referring to working on the iphone, not working on software to run on the iphone |
| 17:37.58 | Catfish_Man | emmanuel_pastor: high end iphone software consulting rates are more like $200/hr |
| 17:38.01 | Catfish_Man | or more |
| 17:38.15 | rajat | ihalip: what did you need to do? |
| 17:38.40 | ihalip | rajat: maybe you meant emmanuel_pastor. |
| 17:38.45 | jkwood | Developing on the iPhone is kind of like developing in PIC assembly, only more painful and convoluted. |
| 17:38.53 | ihalip | i was just wow'ing at the 25$/hour :) |
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| 17:39.00 | rajat | i did. my bad |
| 17:39.20 | Catfish_Man | jkwood: hey! cocoa is nice |
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| 17:39.40 | emmanuel_pastor | yeah, but that's in the States, I live/work in Mexico, 25 bucks an hour here, is well, let's say I make as much money as a good reputable MD (as long as I have full time projects) |
| 17:39.47 | Catfish_Man | I can't help it if those fools in developer tools (looks at housemate sitting next to him to make sure he's napping) messed up the provisioning ;) |
| 17:40.16 | rajat | lol. cocoa is uber cool. |
| 17:40.21 | emmanuel_pastor | haha, yes, provisioning is a PIA |
| 17:40.52 | rajat | one of many reasons i took up developing an iphone app for gsoc |
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| 17:43.38 | emmanuel_pastor | so, when do we get the results? I want my t-shirt lol |
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| 17:44.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | !timeline |
| 17:44.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 17:44.12 | xhizors | rajat : wat typ of apps u r developing...?? |
| 17:44.19 | robbyoconnor | this is cute |
| 17:44.32 | emmanuel_pastor | tks |
| 17:44.36 | robbyoconnor | the msdn site wont resolve!!! |
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| 17:44.41 | robbyoconnor | I need nmake :( |
| 17:44.57 | Catfish_Man | xhizors: that way of typing makes my brain hurt. Could you not? |
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| 17:45.25 | emmanuel_pastor | robby: works 4 me http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd9y37ha%28VS.80%29.aspx |
| 17:45.51 | xhizors | why so...?? |
| 17:46.08 | rajat | lol @ catfish_man |
| 17:46.16 | xhizors | ha ha |
| 17:46.17 | rajat | guess you did it again xhizors |
| 17:46.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | xhizors: we prefer to speak proper English here |
| 17:46.30 | xhizors | okey... |
| 17:46.34 | Catfish_Man | or at least something vaguely resembling it |
| 17:46.48 | xhizors | sorry for that... |
| 17:46.52 | Catfish_Man | allowances for idiomatic differences and such, sure, but this isn't an AIM chat room full of 12 year olds :) |
| 17:46.54 | rajat | xhizors: the app would allow mobile access to the social wing of a CMS |
| 17:47.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | Can we have a spellchecker / grammar checker bot? |
| 17:47.19 | rajat | a satirical bot at that |
| 17:47.23 | xhizors | great.. |
| 17:47.52 | rajat | xhizors: what country are you from? |
| 17:48.00 | xhizors | india.. |
| 17:48.05 | xhizors | an u..? |
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| 17:48.55 | xhizors | rajat : what about you...?? |
| 17:48.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | xhizors: try: and you :P ;) |
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| 17:49.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | xhizors: ah! now you are getting the hang of it! :D |
| 17:49.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | is feeling bad for toying with students... |
| 17:50.08 | rajat | xhizors: me too. try lesser punctuation |
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| 17:50.28 | smtms | why...?? |
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| 17:50.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | smtms: because it makes people leave the room, like poor kusum there ;) |
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| 17:51.21 | xhizors | okey.. |
| 17:51.32 | vishal_iitk | and mpavel too :) |
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| 17:52.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | No, mpavel was scared off by a full sentence or maybe the lack of punctuation. |
| 17:52.38 | Catfish_Man | I think if we list everyone leaving the channel we'll not be doing much else, guys :P |
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| 17:53.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | Catfish_Man: it's not as if there is a lot going on here at the moment. |
| 17:53.35 | Catfish_Man | true, I'm probably just grumpy about how horrible this highway is |
| 17:53.39 | Catfish_Man | can barely type due to the bumps |
| 17:54.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | Catfish_Man: :( I hate having to type on bumpy roads |
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| 17:54.36 | Wolf_OSGeo | not to mention using a pen... |
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| 17:58.11 | emmanuelp | BarryCarlyon: What do you do if several orgs pick you? do they ask you to choose one, or in the end who decides what org will you work for? |
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| 17:59.12 | |Kev| | emmanuelp: the orgs decide between themselves. They may ask your preference, they may not. Moral: don't apply for a project you don't want to do :) |
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| 18:00.36 | emmanuelp | Kev: Well, I am interested on all the projects I'm applying for, but I am more interested on some particular ones :( |
| 18:01.18 | |Kev| | It's not a majority of students that get selected more than once. |
| 18:01.30 | |Kev| | I think it's single-figures, typically, out of 7000 or so. |
| 18:02.20 | emmanuelp | yeah, it is a long shot, I'd be lucky if any of the orgs gets interested on me :) |
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| 18:04.15 | htrejh | hi |
| 18:04.30 | htrejh | until what date must all gsoc proposals be submitted? |
| 18:04.51 | emmanuelp | april 9th |
| 18:04.52 | blast007 | !timeline |
| 18:04.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 18:05.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | !next |
| 18:05.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:05.48 | epps | !countdown |
| 18:05.49 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
| 18:05.55 | emmanuelp | so, do you guys think that copy/pasting your bio is a no-no? most projects ask you to write a small bio, and well, IMO there is nothing you can personalize there for each project |
| 18:06.02 | Wolf_OSGeo | epps: yes that was the one :) |
| 18:06.15 | epps | :B |
| 18:06.54 | Catfish_Man | emmanuelp: that sounds fine to me |
| 18:06.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | emmanuelp: it depends a bit. If your bio has any connection to the org it probably would be good to personalize it. |
| 18:07.15 | htrejh | ok thx |
| 18:07.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | like for me I'd write how I have loved maps since I was a small kid when applying to OSGeo, but probably not to say ASF |
| 18:07.51 | htrejh | but if you do not propose, for what date must you choose a gsoc idea? |
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| 18:08.14 | emmanuelp | right, I see your point, thanks |
| 18:08.19 | Catfish_Man | !timeline |
| 18:08.19 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 18:08.24 | Catfish_Man | htrejh: read that link |
| 18:08.24 | Wolf_OSGeo | htrejh: say what? th deadline is the same for all |
| 18:08.42 | htrejh | ow ok, i thought 9th was only to apply, not to choose something to code |
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| 18:08.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | choose something to code == apply |
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| 18:09.08 | htrejh | ok |
| 18:09.26 | Wolf_OSGeo | or rather choose something to code => talk to org => apply |
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| 18:09.37 | htrejh | could someone review if this would be a good idea ? http://pastebin.com/24T2AqLJ |
| 18:09.55 | htrejh | well i am already contacting, but i didn't propose the idea yet |
| 18:09.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | htrejh: you'd be better of asking the org in question |
| 18:10.08 | Catfish_Man | htrejh: that seems like a reasonable idea to me |
| 18:10.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | ask them directly, they'll like that |
| 18:10.19 | Catfish_Man | (I don't work on Kopete, but I did work on another IM client for quite a while) |
| 18:10.30 | htrejh | ah i thought google reviewed them |
| 18:10.32 | htrejh | ok thanks |
| 18:10.33 | Catfish_Man | nope |
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| 18:11.09 | |Kev| | grumbles about non-standard networks. |
| 18:11.29 | htrejh | ... ^^ |
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| 18:11.43 | |Kev| | htrejh: I'm an XMPP dev ;) |
| 18:11.51 | htrejh | i use it ;) |
| 18:12.07 | htrejh | xfire is the only protocol i do not have in kopete, and i know the protocol quite well as i am a gfire developer... |
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| 18:40.08 | pivo | how can I change my Link ID? |
| 18:40.28 | smtms | you can't |
| 18:40.58 | pivo | this is terrible |
| 18:41.27 | smtms | what did you do to yourself? |
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| 18:42.48 | xendo | hi I've been wondering, all the necessery papers such as proof of enrollment I've to deliver only after I get accepted? |
| 18:43.03 | thebolt | yes |
| 18:43.47 | xendo | for now good proposal is all I need :D |
| 18:44.07 | pivo | smtms:I decided to change to a shorter and understandable |
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| 18:44.40 | smtms | pivo, the link ID isn't used much |
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| 18:45.41 | pivo | smtms:then that's okay, thank you) |
| 18:46.43 | xendo | I'm just curious, how long are your proposals (or how many words)? |
| 18:49.02 | smtms | xendo, my longest one is 5998 chars (968 words) |
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| 18:51.47 | neo01124 | how many proposals have you guys submitted ? |
| 18:52.23 | mlankhorst | 0 :) |
| 18:52.59 | thebolt | same here, 0 and intend to keep it at 0 |
| 18:53.08 | d4ddi0 | 1... The amount of work to do a 2nd would be a lot less with that one out fo the way |
| 18:53.27 | xb95 | we're up to nearly 30 received, I will say that |
| 18:54.37 | d4ddi0 | who's we? one org, or gsoc? |
| 18:54.55 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 18:54.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are open. Apply now at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student/apply/google/gsoc2010 ! Deadline is April 9: 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC. |
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| 18:56.43 | fweisbec | is it possible to read others submissions, if they enabled the "Make public" thing? |
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| 18:57.01 | |Kev| | Yes, if they give you the link |
| 18:57.13 | fweisbec | otherwise, no way to find one? |
| 18:57.29 | tanatos | brute force? :) |
| 18:57.42 | cygal | there's no public list |
| 18:58.16 | d4ddi0 | They're only 13 digits long. How hard could it be ;) |
| 18:58.36 | fweisbec | tanatos: if I release the brute, I can't predict what could be the consequences... :) |
| 18:58.39 | tanatos | depends how many PS3 do you have :) |
| 18:59.01 | fweisbec | so basically, what's the purpose of this "Make public" thing? |
| 18:59.27 | d4ddi0 | Probably so you can show the prospective mentor |
| 18:59.50 | Wolf_OSGeo | no mentors can see proposals |
| 18:59.54 | LawG | d4ddi0: I'm oretty sure mentors in the org can see submitted proposals even if they aren't "made public" |
| 18:59.59 | thebolt | tanatos: and if they are upgraded to latest firmware or not ;) |
| 19:00.04 | LawG | s/oretty/pretty |
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| 19:00.10 | tanatos | thebolt: not :P |
| 19:00.37 | d4ddi0 | fweisbec: ...No idea then |
| 19:00.56 | fweisbec | d4ddi0: ok |
| 19:00.58 | tanatos | thebolt: oh, I just got an idea what should I spend $5000 for :P |
| 19:00.59 | cygal | fweisbec: stutends can choose to show their proposals |
| 19:00.59 | fweisbec | d4ddi0: :) |
| 19:01.21 | fweisbec | cygal: but how to show it, after you allow that |
| 19:01.40 | Landon | tanatos: if you forget, I can find a way for you to spend it :) |
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| 19:02.30 | tanatos | Landon: first I have to write a good proposal :) |
| 19:02.36 | cygal | fweisbec: give the link |
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| 19:02.57 | fweisbec | cygal: ah it's that simple, ok |
| 19:03.26 | fweisbec | cygal: but once you've completed your submission, you don't need to make it public for google to examine it, right? |
| 19:04.05 | thebolt | google won't examine them (the mentoring organisation does), and no, you don't |
| 19:04.54 | fweisbec | doh, so only the mentoring organisation examine them? |
| 19:04.55 | fweisbec | ok |
| 19:05.03 | fweisbec | thanks for the tip |
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| 19:05.55 | fweisbec | curious, anybody here applies for a linux kernel project? |
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| 19:06.06 | callkalpa | hi all |
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| 19:06.39 | d4ddi0 | Apllied to X.org |
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| 19:07.21 | callkalpa | when I click on "accepting applications" on GSoC 2010 page it says "You cannot become a Student because you are already participating in this program. " and I can't apply |
| 19:07.39 | fweisbec | wishes good luck to d4ddi0 and wouldn't like his place :) |
| 19:07.53 | d4ddi0 | :D |
| 19:08.17 | callkalpa | anyone here to help me? |
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| 19:09.13 | fweisbec | d4ddi0: what is it about, roughly? |
| 19:09.48 | Hopsy | hii |
| 19:10.13 | fweisbec | callkalpa: are you mentoring, or something? |
| 19:10.38 | callkalpa | fweisbec, nope, I'm trying to apply to a project as a student |
| 19:10.52 | d4ddi0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.13 | fweisbec | callkalpa: can you list your roles? |
| 19:11.38 | fweisbec | d4ddi0: _sounds_ like a cool thing actually |
| 19:12.00 | callkalpa | fweisbec, yeah. My name is there under "Your roles as GSoC Student. " |
| 19:12.29 | d4ddi0 | callkalpa: Sounds like you don't need to apply, just submit a proposal |
| 19:12.39 | fweisbec | callkalpa: and nothing on the other lines? |
| 19:13.16 | callkalpa | fweisbec, I got it thanks |
| 19:13.20 | ajuonline | does a buzzinga |
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| 19:16.36 | pygi | ChipX86, poke |
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| 19:18.43 | Snap | one question 9 april is the dead line for application submission. but can i edit my prososal after the date is over |
| 19:19.07 | smtms | no, but you can post comments |
| 19:19.11 | Snap | not adding a new one but editing existing one |
| 19:19.16 | Snap | ok |
| 19:25.34 | pivo | is there anyone from Russia? countrymen will respond!))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 19:25.37 | pivo | is there anyone from Russia? countrymen will respond!))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
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| 19:26.00 | trasz | when student submits proposal, is it visible to the mentor immediately, or after some delay? |
| 19:26.07 | Wolf_OSGeo | immediately |
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| 19:39.55 | ChipX86 | pygi: pong |
| 19:40.05 | pygi | ChipX86, you're like a president |
| 19:40.07 | pygi | hard to catch :D |
| 19:40.11 | ChipX86 | that I am |
| 19:40.20 | ChipX86 | but no secret service, sadly |
| 19:40.22 | pygi | ChipX86, mind chipping-in on my proposal? :) |
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| 19:40.40 | pygi | I'd really appreciate it |
| 19:41.03 | ChipX86 | pygi: planning to go through a few of the proposals tonight and responding with comments |
| 19:41.31 | pygi | sigh, but I'll hardly be available later, three days of absence or more :P |
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| 19:42.02 | ChipX86 | unfortunately I can't do anything right now. At work and I have a lot to do. Legally, I can't work on RB-related things while at work |
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| 19:42.21 | pygi | got it! :) |
| 19:42.35 | ChipX86 | you should also feel free to join our soc channel |
| 19:42.36 | pygi | will have to try to catch internet then somehow |
| 19:42.43 | pygi | which is? I've tried finding one |
| 19:42.54 | ChipX86 | also, e-mail is a bit better for reaching me with the schedule differences :) |
| 19:43.02 | ChipX86 | #reviewboard-gsoc |
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| 19:54.22 | kartik | !deadline |
| 19:54.23 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 19:54.28 | kartik | !timeline |
| 19:54.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 20:05.26 | pygi | ChipX86, you're the only one there :D |
| 20:05.32 | pygi | wait |
| 20:05.37 | pygi | I meant I'm the only one there |
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| 20:40.02 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
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| 21:09.00 | Ivanovic | got a question if a potential student of ours is eligible at all, regarding the FAQ we tend more to "probably not" but want to be sure |
| 21:09.06 | Ivanovic | cf http://wiki.wesnoth.org//SummerOfCodeProposal_Billynux#1.1.29_Write_a_small_introduction_to_yourself. |
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| 21:09.29 | Ivanovic | I live in Argentina and I work part time as a university teacher at UNRC. (...) I'm taking a post-graduate course in Category Theory here in the National University of Rio Cuarto while teaching first year students basic programming and Pascal. |
| 21:09.51 | Ivanovic | carols: what do you think, is this a case of eligible or is it not? |
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| 21:10.11 | Ivanovic | since it does not sound like it will be someone heading for a degree, but someone who already has the degree and is basically done |
| 21:10.44 | carols | Ivanovic: is the person at an accredited institution and does that insitution issue things like, for example, grades and student iDs? |
| 21:11.17 | Ivanovic | i guess that the institution itself *does* issue grates and student ids |
| 21:11.24 | carols | Ivanvovic: the post-graduate part is fine as long as the person meets the other qualifications |
| 21:11.32 | thebolt | Ivanovic: as far as i can see in the faq it does not have to be full-time/degree student.. |
| 21:11.34 | Ivanovic | the question is: what does post grad mean regarding SoC? |
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| 21:12.17 | jkwood | Sounds like they're working on their doctorate. |
| 21:12.57 | carols | Ivanovic: um, post grad isn't the question one has to answer wrt eligibility. the questions you have to answer are about accreditation of the institution. it doesn't matter what degree he/she is working on |
| 21:13.05 | Ivanovic | okay, thanks for the reply, guess it is most likely a case of "can probably be in" |
| 21:14.06 | kblin | interesting thesis topic |
| 21:16.02 | kblin | though it sounds a bit computationally intensive |
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| 21:17.10 | smtms | what topic? |
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| 21:20.22 | johang | yeah, what topic? "computationally intensive" got me curious :) |
| 21:20.57 | thebolt | 25 yo and post-grad.. thats pretty good :) |
| 21:22.25 | thebolt | otoh, I know a guy here who is 19 atm and will begin his Phd in mathematics in the autumn (some subtopic of combinatorics iirc) |
| 21:22.25 | smtms | depends on what post-grad means I guess :-) |
| 21:22.25 | thebolt | yea |
| 21:22.25 | thebolt | but in my mind at least that means post-phd ;) |
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| 21:22.28 | kblin | smtms: "Also as part of my thesis I developed a protein-backbone clustering application using FuD that uses an algorithm similar to k-means and an optimal rotation+alignment algorithm to compare the 3d structures using RMSD." |
| 21:22.41 | Landon | wouldn't trust anything based on FUD |
| 21:22.42 | Landon | :p |
| 21:22.45 | thebolt | haha |
| 21:22.55 | smtms | I'll have to re-read it several times until I get it |
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| 21:57.41 | x` | ah, I can't see why 20 proposals is the limit ... i only have one and it is a full time occupation :) |
| 21:58.45 | emmanuelp | I hear ya, I couldn't apply to 20 different projects even if I'd want to |
| 22:00.08 | smtms | x`, you'd prefer the limit to be a round number - 16? |
| 22:00.22 | x` | a power of two would be nice, of course |
| 22:00.44 | smtms | please, remove two fingers from your hands |
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| 22:05.11 | x` | i consider a proposal to be equal to a hand, not a finger ... thus i have two, and all is well again. |
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| 22:06.04 | jkwood | Most people prefer powers of ten to powers of two. Are you perhaps a robot? |
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| 22:11.09 | scgtrp | jkwood: i prefer binary, unfortunately nobody else understands it :( |
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| 22:12.33 | killerchicken | As a mentor, which list must I follow so I won't miss important updates? |
| 22:12.52 | jkwood | All I know is that there are 0x9A0F8BG42A kinds of people in this world - people who understand hexadecimal, and me. |
| 22:12.56 | killerchicken | Is it enough to be on the mentor list? |
| 22:13.05 | jkwood | killerchicken: I would think so. |
| 22:13.06 | thebolt | scgtrp: well, i sometimes count in binary on my fingers :) |
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| 22:58.41 | rajat | hey Catfish_Man |
| 22:59.23 | Catfish_Man | hi |
| 22:59.33 | rajat | you paint well. your gallery should have allow comments |
| 23:00.11 | rajat | typo. aargh! |
| 23:00.11 | Catfish_Man | thanks :) |
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| 23:02.35 | _Samo | hi guys |
| 23:04.01 | _Samo | I wonder how other orgs use the ranking system, we can clearly set a number of factors to rank our applications, but we find it difficult to accomodate it to a -4,0,+4 range |
| 23:04.16 | _Samo | how other orgs use it |
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| 23:06.20 | schumaml | is'nt it cumulative anymore? |
| 23:06.26 | schumaml | isn't |
| 23:06.55 | mmadia42 | this year, i'm considering trying a simple +1, -1. At most i'd expect 50apps and my org has about 15 mentors. |
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| 23:08.47 | schumaml | we used + or - to get an overview of viability and like/dislike per mentor |
| 23:08.50 | Manca | mmadia42, what's your org? |
| 23:09.00 | mmadia42 | Haiku (www.haiku-os.org) |
| 23:09.02 | schumaml | and some final adjustments to get the proposals in the intended order |
| 23:09.16 | Manca | oh, cool |
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| 23:19.32 | emmanuelp | mmadia42, I didn't know your org, it looks pretty cool! |
| 23:20.33 | mmadia42 | let me reword that, the org i contribute to & volunteer to admin for GSoC :) |
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| 23:20.47 | mmadia42 | but thank you, emmanuelp |
| 23:23.47 | emmanuelp | I've always had a thing for Operative Systems, after 5 years of working while going to university, I've never really looked into them as much as I'd like, most of my experience comes from web, desktop and mobile applications, just last week I coded my first linux driver, so maybe next year I'll be able to apply for a spot with you guys ;) |
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| 23:34.39 | _Samo | does anybody know the story behind the [-4,0,4] range GSoC uses for raking applications? |
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| 23:35.11 | _Samo | what was the original purposal of it |
| 23:35.35 | jenred | _Samo to make org admins crazy? |
| 23:35.46 | _Samo | yep |
| 23:36.36 | jenred | last year I had to do some serious +1 -1 gymnastics to get students rated they way we wanted them |
| 23:37.13 | jenred | I still have no idea how the system is supposed to work |
| 23:37.17 | mmadia42 | i'd guess to provide organizations with the flexibility. |
| 23:37.55 | jenred | or perhaps I should say designed to work |
| 23:38.19 | jcreigh | Hi, I submitted a proposal, but my (potential) mentor says he can't see it on his end. I checked the "make public" option, but that didn't seem to have any effect. |
| 23:38.29 | mmadia42 | like, some orgs may have only a few people assigning points -- like "sent patches +1", "talked to us before the last 48hours, +1", .... |
| 23:39.21 | jkwood | jcreigh: I'm assuming he's registered as a mentor for that organization? |
| 23:39.37 | Catfish_Man | for adium we did 4 == volunteer to mentor, 1 == would like to see mentored by someone else |
| 23:39.41 | jcreigh | jkwood: I believe so. He says he can see other applications for the organization, just not mine. |
| 23:40.27 | jkwood | Hmm... we haven't seen anythign like that in our organization, sorry. |
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| 23:45.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | jcreigh: make sure you posted to the correct org ;) |
| 23:46.17 | jenred | is anyone else seeing really badly formatted applications this year? |
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| 23:46.32 | jenred | they are pratically unreadable from our view in Melange |
| 23:46.46 | Wolf_OSGeo | you mean loads of white space? |
| 23:47.09 | jenred | Yes and also problems with everything winding up in code tags |
| 23:47.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | the melange editor has... :S ... issues |
| 23:47.28 | jenred | and giant horizontal scrolls |
| 23:47.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | the student might have tried to copy-paste html into the editor :S |
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| 23:47.48 | Wolf_OSGeo | or students? |
| 23:47.56 | jenred | yeah I think it's students |
| 23:48.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | nothing as bad as that. only extra wj |
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| 23:48.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | whitespace for us |
| 23:48.34 | jenred | I wish I could see the student view |
| 23:48.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | hey carols! |
| 23:48.46 | jenred | do they have a preview option? |
| 23:48.46 | carols | hey Wolf_OSGeo! |
| 23:49.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | i don't think so... |
| 23:49.02 | jkwood | Melange is one of the worse tools I've had to deal with, to be honest. |
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| 23:49.19 | jenred | hah carols just in time to here me actually publically whinning about Melange ;> |
| 23:49.43 | jenred | hear me -- this is my first time |
| 23:49.54 | Wolf_OSGeo | public whining is good. keeps the melange devs motivated. No wait... |
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| 23:50.35 | jenred | opens a window and screams |
| 23:50.38 | carols | jenred: haha well, they are in GSoC this year so hopefully they'll get some fixes in :-) |
| 23:50.43 | jenred | so frustrating |
| 23:50.52 | jenred | carols they were in GSoC last year |
| 23:51.02 | carols | jenred: yep |
| 23:51.04 | jenred | problem is they apparently have no one with a clue about UI |
| 23:51.16 | jcreigh | Wolf_OSGeo: naw, I signed up for the right org. |
| 23:51.20 | jcreigh | we found the problem though. |
| 23:51.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | they should take part in season of design or what it's called |
| 23:51.46 | jcreigh | he was confused by the student proposal listing widget, which I believe is the same widget as is used in most of the GSoC app. |
| 23:52.10 | jcreigh | and may I say that IMO it is very-nonobvious when you use that widget for the first time that it is paginated. |
| 23:52.12 | jenred | sorry I just so hate extra work -- particularly when I have to ask volunteers in addition to myself to do that work |
| 23:52.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | ahh right it shows only 5 by default |
| 23:52.32 | jenred | but carols we are of course very grateful to be part of GSoC this year |
| 23:52.34 | jenred | ;> |
| 23:52.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | what's with that? I want it to show 50 by default or let me select... *grumble* |
| 23:52.41 | Catfish_Man | jenred: UI design is a common problem in both webapps and open source apps :/ |
| 23:52.57 | carols | jenred: happy to have you too :-) should be a good summer |
| 23:53.11 | lameiro | hi. is being enrolled at a language school enough to be considered a student for SoC or is it necessary to be doing a college-like (or higher) degree? |
| 23:53.18 | jenred | Wolf_OSGeo - hah another one of my pet peeves as well |
| 23:53.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | im pretty amazed by the good qality of our apps... |
| 23:53.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | i hope the melange apps are of equal good quality |
| 23:53.52 | jenred | so can anyone tell me if students have a "preview" option? |
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| 23:54.09 | Wolf_OSGeo | points at carols |
| 23:54.12 | jenred | I'm trying to figure out how hard we should be on them re: formatting problems |
| 23:54.12 | Wolf_OSGeo | she can |
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| 23:54.39 | carols | jedred: you mean before the student hits submit, i assume? |
| 23:54.43 | carols | ah |
| 23:54.46 | carols | jenred |
| 23:54.47 | jenred | carols yes |
| 23:54.47 | carols | sorry |
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| 23:55.15 | jcreigh | jenred: AFAICT (as a student), there is no preview button while editing. But after you save it, you can see a (non-editable) display page showing the formatting, which is how I assume others can see it as well. |
| 23:55.30 | jcreigh | jenred: and then of course you can go back and edit it again if something looks wonky. |
| 23:55.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | carols: didn't you say you are signed up as a student? |
| 23:55.47 | carols | jenred: that's correct. they get a WYSIWYG editor for the proposal, and then they see it when they hit submit |
| 23:55.54 | lameiro | the FAQ only provides examples of college and higher degrees, but adds "not limited to", which makes it very open. I assume any kind of enrollment to any kind of school is valid, right? |
| 23:55.58 | carols | Wolf_OSGeo: yeah, just with my personal email |
| 23:56.04 | jenred | can they do a html view? |
| 23:56.04 | carols | to sanity check stuff |
| 23:56.19 | carols | jenred: edit the raw html? yes |
| 23:56.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | jenred: probably like we can when we edit the org pages |
| 23:57.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | it's the same editor widget we have |
| 23:57.40 | jenred | and they (students) can make any changes after submitting right? |
| 23:57.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | yes |
| 23:58.08 | mmadia42 | !edit |
| 23:58.08 | socinfo | "edit" is You can submit your application early and edit it up until the deadline (April 9). Once the deadline passes, you cannot edit it. Instead, leave comments. |
| 23:58.27 | carols | jenred: yes, you can always go back and make changes to a submitted proposal |
| 23:58.27 | jenred | Wolf_OSGeo thanks it might be to late -- now but I might just make them a "how to edit your proposal" wiki page |
| 23:58.49 | jenred | unless it's past 4/9 right? |
| 23:58.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | jenred: what? read? |
| 23:59.08 | mmadia42 | !countdown |
| 23:59.08 | socinfo | "countdown" is The time left for submitting a student project proposal: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-student-deadline |
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| 23:59.38 | Wolf_OSGeo | mmadia42: the !edit would have been appropriate actually ;) |
| 23:59.41 | jenred | Wolf_OSGeo using our editor as an example to write a quick how-to for our potential students ;> |
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| 23:59.58 | jenred | from the org admin page - thanks for the suggestion to look there |