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| 00:48.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 00:49.12 | inXs_ | !advice |
| 00:49.12 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 02:00.35 | [mharrison] | Wow. You can't transfer > 2GB files in sftp, apparently |
| 02:01.47 | zooko | citation needed |
| 02:02.11 | bawr | What. |
| 02:02.34 | jkwood | Not to a FAT32 filesystem, no. |
| 02:03.22 | Landon | make: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 74 s in the future |
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| 02:03.26 | Landon | well that's awkward |
| 02:03.36 | Landon | apparently beowulf clusters == time machines too |
| 02:04.07 | summatusmentis | who runs a beowulf cluster without using ntpd? |
| 02:04.16 | bawr | Ninja'd. :( |
| 02:04.23 | Landon | it's running |
| 02:04.57 | Landon | a shame that I don't have code that takes advantage of the cluster :( |
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| 02:05.27 | Landon | the crypto professor just gave us all accounts on there so we wouldn't hog the department servers pitiful amount of CPUs |
| 02:05.29 | bawr | Uhh, if it's running, how come you're over a minute out of sync? |
| 02:05.50 | Landon | well, everything apparently works so not my problem ;) |
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| 02:06.22 | bawr | Have some tea, it will be in in the past by the time you finish. :) |
| 02:06.27 | bawr | Also... does it use NFS? |
| 02:06.41 | [mharrison] | I'm going by the fact that Cyberduck gave me a "sftp protocol error" once I hit 2GB |
| 02:07.04 | [mharrison] | And apparently I'm copying to FAT32 |
| 02:07.07 | zooko | oh good uint64 file size: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-13 |
| 02:07.11 | Landon | bawr: apparently it does! |
| 02:07.22 | bawr | Ah. Mystery solved. |
| 02:07.46 | bawr | Both mysteries, actually. |
| 02:08.24 | [mharrison] | Wait...."a badly formatted packet or other SFTP protocol incompatibility was detected." How...descriptive |
| 02:09.24 | [mharrison] | ahaha http://trac.cyberduck.ch/ticket/1235 |
| 02:09.32 | bawr | It's computers. What do you expect? |
| 02:09.39 | bawr | Useful error messages? |
| 02:09.44 | [mharrison] | Yes, please |
| 02:09.53 | bawr | This isn't the future. Try again in a few hundred years. |
| 02:10.54 | [mharrison] | Huh. I apparently have an ancient Cyberduck installed |
| 02:12.07 | [mharrison] | k, fixed in the latest version. Sigh, software |
| 02:12.27 | bawr | Meh. Mac OS and it's pretty windows. ;/ |
| 02:12.34 | bawr | *its, even |
| 02:12.47 | bawr | Also, a small thing, but it made me smile today: |
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| 02:12.50 | bawr | "There's nothing wrong with XML and web services you couldn't fix by removing the XML and web services parts." |
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| 02:13.59 | jkwood | XML is like violence - if it doesn't solve the problem, apply more until it does. |
| 02:14.08 | [mharrison] | Sorry, but OS X and its pretty windows has nothing to do with a Cyberduck bug |
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| 02:15.12 | bawr | [mharrison]: Oh, I know. Hence the ";". I was half-alluding to the fact that sftp would work instead. |
| 02:16.28 | [mharrison] | Normally I would, but it's a PITA to type the address/login/pass for the server I'm connected to, and it's already bookmarked in Cyberduck |
| 02:16.47 | [mharrison] | Now, the bigger question is, why doesn't Cyberduck just call sftp... |
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| 02:18.52 | bawr | Because (nearly) nobody does Unix(ish) programs in the Unix spirit anymore? |
| 02:18.55 | bawr | Actually, wait. |
| 02:19.00 | bawr | s/Unix/Plan9 |
| 02:19.19 | bawr | And even then it only half-parses, but hey, it's been a long day. |
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| 02:44.02 | MatthewWilkes | Hey, has anyone seen comments by 'richie' marking proposals as withdrawn? |
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| 02:44.06 | MatthewWilkes | Confusing the hell out of me |
| 02:44.35 | ojwb | perhaps he/she is the student? |
| 02:44.41 | MatthewWilkes | nope |
| 02:44.47 | MatthewWilkes | the student ID is in the url |
| 02:45.27 | jkwood | But it will show a different name from that on comments or withdrawals. |
| 02:45.35 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, will it? |
| 02:45.55 | jkwood | I have no idea what name it uses, though. |
| 02:46.10 | MatthewWilkes | Also, should withdrawals be ineligible? They're not spam and it affects us |
| 02:46.21 | jkwood | I noticed that on one proposal the student accidentally withdrew. |
| 02:46.45 | jkwood | Well, if they student withdraws it, it's no longer a valid proposal. |
| 02:47.43 | jkwood | But, as happened in our case, I marked it valid again because the withdrawal was an accident. |
| 02:48.44 | MatthewWilkes | I'm checking this, it looks good and the student is at the same uni as the devs working on this feature |
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| 02:50.09 | jkwood | Contact the student then. |
| 02:50.26 | MatthewWilkes | I'm asking the people at his uni to see if they know anything before sending off an email |
| 02:51.28 | jkwood | Wouldn't it make as much sense to ask the student directly? People at his university may not know anything about it - he will. |
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| 02:51.31 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, feel stupid, it was a dupe |
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| 02:52.18 | MatthewWilkes | jkwood: They will, I know them. It's no coincidence that he applied for the thing that his uni's web department has been pushing |
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| 02:56.41 | ojwb | sighs at having to wade through just a week of backlog on the mentor list |
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| 03:08.27 | robbyoconnor | dances |
| 03:08.51 | bawr | Dancing? Dancing!? We're still waiting for that rant, you know. ;P |
| 03:09.13 | ojwb | that's clearly not the real robby |
| 03:09.53 | bawr | The next time robby rants, we need to ask him for a PGP key. Only way to be sure. Well, reasonably sure. |
| 03:17.47 | robbyoconnor | I actually registered the channel LOL |
| 03:17.49 | ankitg | robbyoconnor: who are you and what have you done with r0bby ... |
| 03:17.57 | robbyoconnor | he's in a box |
| 03:18.08 | ankitg | maybe I should ask lh instead ... |
| 03:18.17 | robbyoconnor | lh doesn't know |
| 03:18.25 | robbyoconnor | speaking of lh she better show up @ openeverything |
| 03:18.29 | robbyoconnor | I wanna see her again |
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| 07:36.03 | nano- | Are the proposals in melange locked? |
| 07:36.19 | nano- | One of our students can't edit his application. Saying the page is inactive at the time. |
| 07:36.26 | nano- | And melange introduced horrible formatting. |
| 07:36.42 | |Kev| | Yes, applications were locked when they were closed. |
| 07:36.49 | nano- | melange-- |
| 07:38.03 | |Kev| | I'm not sure that's any fault of melange, students knew they wouldn't be able to submit, or edit a submission after the deadline - it's what a deadline's for. |
| 07:38.08 | bawr | Why is this a surprise to everybody? :( |
| 07:38.47 | nano- | I don't see the point in locking the application. Can someone explain? (i'm a mentor, and i look at ugly proposals, monkey-patched via comments) |
| 07:39.09 | nano- | Insane amounts of empty lines. :( |
| 07:39.39 | LawnGnome | nano-: I think it's pretty much so that students don't try to subvert the deadline by lodging an empty application and then edit it later. |
| 07:40.10 | bawr | nano-: Insane amounts of empty lines? The student didn't think to turn TinyMCE off. |
| 07:40.25 | nano- | But then the mentors would have noticed that... and it wouldn't really be a big deal anyway. If the proposal is good, it doesn't really matter if it's one second before we select it, or two weeks before we select it. |
| 07:40.34 | Catfish_Man | bawr: working around the webapp isn't really *supposed* to be part of admission criteria :P |
| 07:40.39 | bawr | Comment monkey-patching? The student didn't think to plan well. |
| 07:40.52 | bawr | Either way, mark them down and move on. :) |
| 07:40.55 | Catfish_Man | nano-: I suggest bringing it up on the mentoring list |
| 07:40.59 | Catfish_Man | bawr: that's silly |
| 07:41.11 | nano- | The students are students. Many times it's their first job-like kind of experience. |
| 07:41.15 | Catfish_Man | bawr: copy-pasting into a text document to read it without the formatting would be a much saner idea |
| 07:41.34 | bawr | Catfish_Man: Hey, it shows how they deal with buggy software. Ideally they'll patch it, failing at that, working around it is the next best thing. ;) |
| 07:42.01 | bawr | I mean, we had this one guy here who couldn't get anchors to work and just fixed it himself. |
| 07:42.30 | bawr | That said, TinyMCE needs to die. It should be off by default. |
| 07:42.37 | nano- | It's not :( |
| 07:42.45 | nano- | Anyways.. thanks for clearing it up. |
| 07:42.51 | Catfish_Man | nano-: really, I'd email the mentors list |
| 07:42.54 | ojwb | NO!!!! |
| 07:42.55 | Catfish_Man | there will be others in the same situation |
| 07:42.57 | nano- | Catfish_Man: I probably should. |
| 07:43.00 | Catfish_Man | and perhaps a solution can be found |
| 07:43.03 | ojwb | still wading through the last week |
| 07:43.17 | Catfish_Man | nano-: (or carols directly, if the list is too much of a disaster ;) ) |
| 07:43.27 | nano- | I |
| 07:43.37 | bawr | ojwb: Why the shriek of anguish? |
| 07:43.42 | nano- | I'll give the list a try. Thanks, should have mailed there directyl. |
| 07:43.57 | ojwb | too many threads rambling way off topic |
| 07:44.04 | bawr | Ahh. |
| 07:44.13 | ojwb | stuff which really isn't relevant to 3600 subscribers |
| 07:44.18 | ojwb | who then complain that it isn't relevant |
| 07:44.48 | ojwb | remember, if it takes everyone a second to delete your mail, that's a whole (wo)man hour of open source development time you just wasted |
| 07:44.58 | ojwb | and a second is pretty conservative... |
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| 07:45.13 | bawr | Catfish_Man: Now, just to be clear - when I said "mark them down", I meant "make a note of the irritation caused", not "put it in the trash". |
| 07:45.52 | bawr | ojwb: Preaching to the choir here. I have the bikeshed post in my bookmarks. :) |
| 07:46.08 | ojwb | IIRC, they can edit again once proposals are accepted |
| 07:46.27 | bawr | Only two weeks from now, eh? |
| 07:46.40 | bawr | I don't think that would help the mentors. |
| 07:46.56 | ojwb | well, it helps the mentors with accepted students, at that point |
| 07:47.16 | ojwb | i'm not sure there's an ideal solution to the issue at this point |
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| 07:47.34 | ojwb | if students can edit, many will stick in a dummy applications |
| 07:47.38 | ojwb | (since many already try to) |
| 07:48.01 | ojwb | and you can get them to edit on your wiki, etc if you really want them to be able to edit at this point |
| 07:48.21 | bawr | I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that ~90% of accepted students took the time to review their proposals and make sure they're not a train of mal-formatted fail to begin with, anyway. |
| 07:48.35 | bawr | *will have taken |
| 07:48.39 | ojwb | bawr: I want to mentor for your org next year... |
| 07:48.47 | bawr | I think. It's too late for correct grammar. |
| 07:48.53 | bawr | ojwb: Wait what? |
| 07:49.34 | ojwb | well, that's certainly not my experience with proposals i've seen |
| 07:49.51 | bawr | I'm just this guy. I've sent a proposal to #osuosl, that's it. I'm mostly basing my opinions on what I've heard. |
| 07:50.17 | bawr | And #1 thing I've heard time and again is that applicants who get in start on their proposals very early. |
| 07:50.39 | ojwb | oh, of *accepted* students |
| 07:50.43 | bawr | Yes. |
| 07:51.12 | ojwb | i suspect it varies between orgs quite a bit |
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| 07:51.59 | bawr | Also, supposedly they turn in multiple revisions. So somehow, I don't think they're prone to formatting failures or excessive comment patching. |
| 07:52.05 | bawr | Just what I've heard, though. |
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| 07:55.45 | ojwb | the early applications tend to be better than the later ones |
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| 07:56.03 | ojwb | though some of the later ones are just being worked on outside of melange |
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| 07:56.32 | robbyoconnor | I think im gonna tackle a melange feature i requested |
| 07:56.40 | robbyoconnor | to ease my anxiety |
| 07:57.24 | bawr | I'm learning Go to help me with that, myself. I'm just not big on web apps. |
| 07:58.53 | robbyoconnor | I've worked on one webapp |
| 07:58.59 | robbyoconnor | (OpenMRS) |
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| 08:03.14 | kai | !timeline |
| 08:03.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 08:08.50 | robbyoconnor | sighs |
| 08:10.21 | dreimark | daniel svensson here |
| 08:10.28 | dreimark | ? |
| 08:10.49 | dreimark | i just wanted to note please use the melange bug tracker for bug reports |
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| 08:11.56 | robbyoconnor | dreimark: uhm ok? |
| 08:12.54 | dreimark | dislikes bug reports on the mentor maling list |
| 08:13.18 | dreimark | also mixing bug reports and questions is no good style |
| 08:13.38 | Catfish_Man | dreimark: what was being discussed wasn't a bug report. The editor issues are well known already |
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| 08:14.01 | dreimark | "empty lines in proposals" |
| 08:14.08 | dreimark | sounds like a bug report |
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| 08:14.18 | Catfish_Man | has that not been filed already? |
| 08:14.27 | Catfish_Man | 'cause it's been reported here probably a dozen times at least |
| 08:14.39 | Catfish_Man | and I'm reasonably certain people were told to go to #melange |
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| 08:15.09 | _Samo | is there a place where we can make suggestions and feature requests for melange? |
| 08:15.24 | Catfish_Man | _Samo: as dreimark just said, yes, melange has a bug tracker |
| 08:15.36 | ojwb | and this has been reported already |
| 08:15.41 | _Samo | ok |
| 08:16.13 | Catfish_Man | dreimark: the question being sent to the list is not "why are there empty lines", it's "what should students do now?" |
| 08:16.18 | Catfish_Man | which is a policy decision not a technical one |
| 08:16.19 | dreimark | i guess too, but also there is no reason to send a mail to the mentor list if one is annoyed by something. this mail compared to a changest would be a huge one which I would revert. |
| 08:17.10 | dreimark | it is mixing many things together |
| 08:17.33 | Catfish_Man | no, it really isn't. |
| 08:17.38 | robbyoconnor | dreimark: rant much? |
| 08:17.39 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 08:17.46 | Catfish_Man | what to do about the empty lines bug is completely separate from this |
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| 08:18.18 | dreimark | robbyoconnor: i didn't reply to the mail i am here |
| 08:18.50 | Catfish_Man | dreimark: I suppose I should amend my statement earlier. s/the question being sent to the list/the question I recommended be sent to the list/ |
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| 08:19.35 | robbyoconnor | dreimark: Over the 2 years i been around i've noticed a few things: 1) nobody ever reads 2) people will spam the lists -- best to just ignore them (ask any student around in 2008) |
| 08:19.56 | Catfish_Man | sighs |
| 08:20.07 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: what! |
| 08:20.10 | robbyoconnor | i'm not being mean |
| 08:20.31 | Catfish_Man | no, but the "ignore the lists" meme is sorta counter to having lists at all :( |
| 08:21.07 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: unfortunately, since people INSIST on spamming CONSTANTLY and not reading the archives -- it becomes necessary |
| 08:21.18 | robbyoconnor | and besides anything he says will fall on deaf ears |
| 08:21.37 | robbyoconnor | I dunno what the state of affairs on the mentors list is -- but students list is pretty f'en bad |
| 08:21.59 | robbyoconnor | "Ohhh a mailing list, let's spam it!" |
| 08:22.00 | ojwb | it's bad in different ways I think |
| 08:22.44 | robbyoconnor | anyways good night |
| 08:23.29 | robbyoconnor | dreimark: my point is this: save your blood pressure and health and just only pay attention to posts by Carol or the Google OSPO staff |
| 08:23.39 | ksinkar | !timeline |
| 08:23.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 08:23.40 | dreimark | robbyoconnor: night |
| 08:23.46 | robbyoconnor | have a good night dreimark |
| 08:23.51 | ksinkar | !info |
| 08:23.51 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids.info). |
| 08:23.51 | dreimark | robbyoconnor: i am here since 4-5 years |
| 08:23.56 | robbyoconnor | I didn't mean to come off mean |
| 08:24.14 | ksinkar | !rules |
| 08:24.15 | robbyoconnor | just pessimistic |
| 08:24.15 | socinfo | Error: "rules" is not a valid command. |
| 08:24.23 | robbyoconnor | !botabuse |
| 08:24.24 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 08:24.25 | ksinkar | !commands |
| 08:24.26 | socinfo | Error: "commands" is not a valid command. |
| 08:24.31 | ksinkar | !help |
| 08:24.32 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: STOP |
| 08:24.32 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 08:24.40 | ojwb | ksinkar: please use query to play with socinfo |
| 08:24.47 | robbyoconnor | holy mother of god |
| 08:24.50 | ksinkar | thanx |
| 08:24.58 | ksinkar | holy mary |
| 08:25.13 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: in general, people don't like it when irc channels are flooded with useless content :P |
| 08:25.18 | ksinkar | !query |
| 08:25.19 | socinfo | Error: "query" is not a valid command. |
| 08:25.24 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: WTF |
| 08:25.25 | *** kick/#gsoc [ksinkar!~david@adium/CatfishMan] by Catfish_Man (ksinkar) |
| 08:25.28 | robbyoconnor | idiot |
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| 08:25.51 | robbyoconnor | "people don't like it when you flood the channel with useless content" |
| 08:25.58 | robbyoconnor | "let's do it one more time for good measure!" |
| 08:26.02 | Catfish_Man | actually I shouldn't have kicked him |
| 08:26.06 | robbyoconnor | you should have |
| 08:26.09 | ojwb | felt it was a little harsh |
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| 08:26.10 | dreimark | you should have warned |
| 08:26.22 | Catfish_Man | dreimark: I did ;) but it was an honest mistake that time |
| 08:26.25 | robbyoconnor | dreimark: to be honest he was testing his limits. |
| 08:26.31 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: he just doesn't know about / commadns |
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| 08:26.34 | ojwb | (/query vs !query was probably a mistake) |
| 08:26.35 | dreimark | now he know |
| 08:26.35 | ojwb | yeah |
| 08:26.39 | robbyoconnor | put your hand in a shark's mout, you're gonna get bit! |
| 08:26.43 | robbyoconnor | mouth* |
| 08:26.46 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: I'm a catfish not a shark |
| 08:26.53 | robbyoconnor | likely gonna get eatten |
| 08:27.02 | robbyoconnor | figure of speech |
| 08:27.04 | ksinkar | well i was kicked out |
| 08:27.14 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: use /query |
| 08:27.16 | Catfish_Man | not !query |
| 08:27.18 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: future reference; don't test your limits |
| 08:27.24 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: go to bed dude |
| 08:27.29 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: you're getting hysterical |
| 08:27.37 | ojwb | "getting"? |
| 08:27.37 | robbyoconnor | how so?! |
| 08:27.50 | robbyoconnor | ojwb: ??!!?!? you saying i'm crazy? |
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| 08:28.49 | ksinkar | hey the commands are not working when i did /query socinfo |
| 08:29.01 | ksinkar | all commands are coming as invalid |
| 08:29.11 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: from the "!botabuse" command earlier: "When in a query with me, use whatis irc://chat.freenode.net/#gsoc <factoid> to get the best use." |
| 08:29.25 | ksinkar | !botabuse |
| 08:29.26 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 08:29.35 | bawr | sighs |
| 08:29.44 | robbyoconnor | facepalm |
| 08:29.50 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: …that wasn't a request for you to do that |
| 08:29.50 | dreimark | ksinkar: don't you have a client where you can scrollback? |
| 08:29.56 | ksinkar | 1 |
| 08:30.00 | robbyoconnor | that's work. |
| 08:30.07 | ksinkar | ok |
| 08:30.21 | ksinkar | but i am on a private channel with socinfo |
| 08:30.29 | ksinkar | but none of the commands are working |
| 08:30.37 | ksinkar | i am new with this stuff |
| 08:30.37 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: READ what that says... |
| 08:30.40 | ksinkar | so please help me |
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| 08:30.52 | ojwb | instead of !foo use: whatis #gsoc foo |
| 08:30.55 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: I just tried it, it works |
| 08:30.56 | svaksha | ksinkar: which irc client are you using? |
| 08:31.03 | ksinkar | konversation |
| 08:31.12 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: I did /query socinfo whatis #gsoc botabuse |
| 08:31.17 | ojwb | it is moronic that !foo isn't recognised in query mode |
| 08:31.23 | ojwb | but i didn't write the bot... |
| 08:31.28 | Catfish_Man | ojwb: yeah, the bot is pretty bad sometimes :/ |
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| 08:32.14 | robbyoconnor | it's supybot what do you expect |
| 08:32.20 | svaksha | ksinkar: type these commands in the same window that you use to join the channel |
| 08:32.27 | robbyoconnor | ojwb: and ! is just the character to denote you're addressing the bot |
| 08:32.29 | svaksha | not in the channel |
| 08:32.32 | ksinkar | it says that they are not valid commands |
| 08:32.35 | Catfish_Man | svaksha: works in-channel too, with no ill effects |
| 08:32.43 | dreimark | don't we have a wiki page? |
| 08:32.47 | bawr | It's not moronic. Usually one bot serves many channels, and !something in a quesry doesn't give it enough context. |
| 08:32.52 | dreimark | brb |
| 08:32.55 | Catfish_Man | ksinkar: in the channel with the bot, try whatis #gsoc botabuse |
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| 08:33.06 | bawr | That said, yeah, for one channel it should be nice to be able to give a default. |
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| 08:33.15 | optiplex | hello |
| 08:33.21 | Catfish_Man | hi optiplex |
| 08:33.25 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: works for me |
| 08:33.30 | ksinkar | ok |
| 08:33.30 | robbyoconnor | "whatis #gsoc help" |
| 08:33.33 | ojwb | bawr: indeed - have a "set the channel context" command, not an entirely different syntax |
| 08:33.45 | ksinkar | the commands are working in this window |
| 08:33.58 | robbyoconnor | then "whatis #gsoc ..." where ... is the factoid |
| 08:34.08 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: in your pm window |
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| 08:35.14 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: http://pastie.org/private/g2drr9wfp3bwksogtfqejg |
| 08:36.03 | robbyoconnor | all the factoids you'd need to play with anyways. |
| 08:36.40 | ksinkar | robbyoconnor: thanx for the factoids |
| 08:36.52 | robbyoconnor | ksinkar: it's how the bot needs to be used |
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| 08:37.01 | robbyoconnor | the "next" changes with each phase of the program |
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| 08:37.34 | optiplex | the FAQ says that I can get credits from my university, but for that my university requires the employer to fill some forms, should I send them to the mentor or is there someone else responsible for this kind of stuff? |
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| 08:37.54 | thiagoss | !next |
| 08:37.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 08:38.37 | Catfish_Man | optiplex: officially the employer would be Google in this case |
| 08:39.28 | robbyoconnor | speak w/ carol *AFTER* you get accepted and actually finish the program |
| 08:39.37 | robbyoconnor | cross that bridge when you get there |
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| 08:40.39 | optiplex | Catfish_Man, is there some contact person? |
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| 08:41.12 | Catfish_Man | optiplex: as robbyoconnor mentioned, carols (who is often here, in sane-awake-for-PST people hours) is in charge of gsoc |
| 08:41.15 | Catfish_Man | and is a good person to talk to |
| 08:41.30 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: PDT |
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| 08:41.53 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: turns out sane awake hours for PST people are remarkably similar to PDT ones |
| 08:42.38 | robbyoconnor | optiplex: but you should probably relax and 1) talk w/ your university to ensure it fits into your program 2) actually ensure you finish (a good chunk will fail probably ~20% or so) |
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| 08:43.02 | robbyoconnor | (that's what *I* would do) |
| 08:43.19 | optiplex | ok |
| 08:43.37 | robbyoconnor | hell ensure you get *ACCEPTED* |
| 08:43.53 | robbyoconnor | nevermind finishing you're not even in the program as of right now |
| 08:44.45 | kasun | hello, |
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| 08:45.42 | optiplex | robbyoconnor, so I'll wait until they accept me and then ask about these forms and documents |
| 08:45.54 | Catfish_Man | hi kasun |
| 08:46.00 | robbyoconnor | optiplex: read what i said before that... |
| 08:46.00 | Catfish_Man | optiplex: that seems like a reasonable approach |
| 08:46.13 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: advance planning is useful |
| 08:46.16 | robbyoconnor | you could also fail |
| 08:46.18 | kasun | hello Catfish_Man |
| 08:47.05 | optiplex | robbyoconnor, I hope I won't |
| 08:47.15 | robbyoconnor | we all do |
| 08:47.33 | kasun | can I know how google decide how many projects allocate for a given organization? |
| 08:47.46 | bawr | Klingon blood rituals. |
| 08:48.00 | Catfish_Man | kasun: it's a mixture of number of mentors, number of requested slots, number of proposals, and arbitrary decisions |
| 08:48.04 | Catfish_Man | robbyoconnor: consider: if optiplex succeeds, but the university *isn't* prepared to accept gsoc |
| 08:48.10 | LawnGnome | Catfish_Man: Don't forget the bat'leths. |
| 08:48.21 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: good pt |
| 08:48.27 | robbyoconnor | night |
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| 08:48.31 | robbyoconnor | for real |
| 08:48.31 | Catfish_Man | 'night robbyoconnor |
| 08:48.46 | kasun | okay Catfish_Man |
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| 08:49.29 | kasun | Catfish_Man, is the minimum projects allocated is 2 in this year too? |
| 08:49.43 | Catfish_Man | kasun: not sure |
| 08:49.53 | kasun | okay |
| 08:50.05 | optiplex | Catfish_Man: afaiu my university just care about those forms and documents, so as long as I find someone that can fill them, the university should be fine |
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| 08:51.04 | kasun | thanks Catfish_Man |
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| 08:52.12 | robbyoconnor | optiplex: where would it even fit? |
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| 08:52.42 | robbyoconnor | mmm rice krispie treats |
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| 08:53.59 | optiplex | robbyoconnor: we have something called "Work placement" where we have to work for 10 weeks for some company, if this is what you were asking for |
| 08:54.15 | robbyoconnor | ahh |
| 08:54.19 | tag800 | hello students! Anyone getting some new notifications.. |
| 08:54.24 | robbyoconnor | no |
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| 08:55.24 | kasun | And Catfish_Man, can you please tell me, how proposals are marked. Is there a recommended marking scheme is given to orgs and google select the best proposals, |
| 08:55.46 | Catfish_Man | kasun: it's a simple numerical ranking |
| 08:55.49 | bawr | tag800: Not here. I'm getting restless. |
| 08:55.56 | tag800 | same here |
| 08:56.19 | robbyoconnor | bawr: do stuff |
| 08:56.30 | robbyoconnor | I can't and won't say what im suggesting but it relieves stress |
| 08:56.30 | tag800 | 26th is too far away.. |
| 08:56.36 | tag800 | waiting for results |
| 08:56.36 | x` | how do you tell if a rock is from space? |
| 08:56.39 | robbyoconnor | tag800: practice! |
| 08:56.49 | robbyoconnor | submit patches |
| 08:56.53 | bawr | I am. I'm writing a small PaddedReader / PaddedWriter in Go. |
| 08:57.00 | robbyoconnor | slaps bawr |
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| 08:57.05 | robbyoconnor | FASTER FASTER! |
| 08:57.26 | bawr | I'm sorry! |
| 08:57.26 | robbyoconnor | ... er I should go to bed Catfish_Man is gonna slap me with his paddle soon |
| 08:57.32 | Catfish_Man | mhm |
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| 08:57.47 | robbyoconnor | Catfish_Man: but you can't be sure I wouldn't enjoy it :P |
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| 08:58.00 | kasun | so the organization decides which proposals will ride with gsoc, right? |
| 08:58.00 | robbyoconnor | (yes, i went there!) |
| 08:58.06 | Catfish_Man | kasun: yes |
| 08:58.06 | robbyoconnor | kasun: yes |
| 08:58.14 | robbyoconnor | kasun: relax |
| 08:58.16 | robbyoconnor | drink tea |
| 08:58.26 | robbyoconnor | have cake (jt's not a lie, lh left some for us!) |
| 08:58.37 | kasun | robbyoconnor, okay :D |
| 08:58.39 | robbyoconnor | but i eated it |
| 08:58.41 | bawr | x`: I'd give it to a friendly astronomer. I'm sure he'd have friends who would find out. |
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| 08:59.16 | bawr | Not very creative and all, but that's how *I* would do it. |
| 09:00.08 | x` | bawr: sensible. i do have one analytical chemistry lab at my disposal, so I could do U/Th isotope ratios for it ... and determine how old it is. but i don't really know how old space rocks generally are :) |
| 09:00.31 | x` | and i don't want to google it, because i feel it will ruin this sense of exploration, hehe |
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| 09:01.19 | bawr | Ah, you have a lab! |
| 09:01.27 | bawr | That changes the playing field, now doesn't it. |
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| 09:02.57 | x` | it's not my lab ... it's the place where i watch reruns of Battlestar Galactica, you see ... a.k.a. "work" |
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| 09:03.39 | x` | the rocks smashed into my paps attic window and broke it... :) |
| 09:04.12 | x` | but the thing is, both the lab and paps are thousands of miles away atm, so some simple visual clues or stuff like that would be really helpful |
| 09:04.24 | x` | i'm gonna go find myself an astronomy channel :) |
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| 09:04.37 | bawr | Good plan. |
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| 09:38.40 | qrng | Good morning! |
| 09:38.58 | Chainsaw | Morning qrng :) |
| 09:39.10 | J3RL3 | morning! although its afternoon here |
| 09:39.34 | qrng | Depends on one's subjective sense of "morning", I guess. |
| 09:39.44 | Chainsaw | J3RL3: We could just declare the channel to be in UGT. |
| 09:40.14 | qrng | Nevertheless, I had this itching question: when do we know if your proposals are accepted or not? |
| 09:40.19 | J3RL3 | ah, that would be -8 hours for me |
| 09:40.20 | qrng | *our |
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| 09:40.33 | al1943 | !next |
| 09:40.33 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 09:40.36 | J3RL3 | 26th April |
| 09:40.55 | Chainsaw | J3RL3: Not UTC, UGT :) |
| 09:41.04 | Chainsaw | J3RL3: Universal Greeting Time. It is morning when you enter and evening when you leave. |
| 09:41.22 | J3RL3 | oic, thanks for clarification :) |
| 09:41.32 | qrng | Aha, I imagine the question bores to the marrow. :-D |
| 09:42.02 | qrng | Chainsaw: Precisely. :-D |
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| 09:43.09 | qrng | By the way, how will they ask questions about our proposals? |
| 09:43.28 | qrng | (If they have any, that is) |
| 09:43.51 | Chainsaw | qrng: Generally through (public) comments on your proposal, which you will receive by e-mail. |
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| 09:44.12 | Chainsaw | qrng: But it's always a good idea to seek out the IRC channel of the project and engage with the developers directly. |
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| 09:45.50 | smtms | Chainsaw, you will only receive them by e-mail if you *subscribe* |
| 09:46.08 | qrng | Ah, you mean in the project mailing list, yes? |
| 09:46.12 | Chainsaw | qrng: According to smtms, it would be good practise to check the proposal page. |
| 09:46.43 | Chainsaw | qrng: I stand by my advice to seek out the developers on IRC and solicit feedback there. |
| 09:46.43 | smtms | qrng, open your proposal and look for "Subscribe for Updates" button |
| 09:47.33 | qrng | Excellent. |
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| 09:48.38 | qrng | Thank you for putting up with obviously noobish questions. :-D |
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| 10:00.08 | _Samo | do you know if students can edit their proposals in the interim period? |
| 10:00.22 | Chainsaw | _Samo: You can only amend using comments right now. The proposal text is frozen. |
| 10:01.04 | _Samo | thanks |
| 10:01.18 | _Samo | can students comment in their own proposals? |
| 10:01.48 | Chainsaw | _Samo: Yes, they're able to add comments just like mentors can. |
| 10:01.55 | _Samo | ok |
| 10:02.06 | _Samo | thanks I will pass this info to our students |
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| 10:02.32 | Chainsaw | _Samo: And you might want to tell your mentors as well, they'll have to take the full comment-stream into account before they reply. |
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| 10:03.21 | Ivanovic | Chainsaw: they *should* |
| 10:03.35 | Ivanovic | Chainsaw: if the comment arrives after the review and ranking is done: bad luck for the student! |
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| 10:04.00 | Ivanovic | Chainsaw: especially since this year there is not too much time before the duplication stuff will be tackled |
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| 10:05.32 | Ivanovic | (and of course the comments do count, that is mentors should explicitly *ask* for comments and updates from the student unless the proposal is already perfect, which is seldom the case...) |
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| 10:13.41 | Sannya | !help |
| 10:13.41 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 10:13.47 | Sannya | !advice |
| 10:13.47 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 10:13.55 | Sannya | !botabuse |
| 10:13.55 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 10:14.09 | Sannya | !next |
| 10:14.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 10:14.23 | Sannya | uhm.. |
| 10:14.28 | Sannya | sorry for being noob |
| 10:14.46 | Sannya | but how do I get the public link to my proposal? :) |
| 10:15.17 | Sannya | !wiki |
| 10:15.17 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
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| 12:07.03 | _Samo | to what exted does GSoC admins take into account application scoring, is it a two backend systems, for organisations and for GSoC admins? |
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| 12:09.06 | _Samo | also how does other organisations do the scoring? |
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| 12:09.55 | _Samo | for instance, every mentor in the project score and application, or only the mentor mentoring it? |
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| 12:16.57 | ojwb | _Samo: the google folk don't take it into account at all, except that it's the top N applications which get selected |
| 12:17.06 | ojwb | where N is the number of slots your org ends up with |
| 12:17.22 | ojwb | as to how to use them, that's largely up to you |
| 12:17.30 | _Samo | ok so rank is the important thjing |
| 12:17.34 | _Samo | *thing |
| 12:17.42 | ojwb | getting every mentor to review every application doesn't actually tend to work |
| 12:17.53 | ojwb | people lose interest after a handful |
| 12:17.56 | _Samo | I see |
| 12:18.05 | ojwb | and then you get a few reviewed more times than others |
| 12:18.33 | ojwb | or at least, that was my experience with SWIG the last two years |
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| 12:18.56 | ojwb | and we were quite small (4 and 5 slots) |
| 12:19.31 | ojwb | and yes, the ranking is what matters - the actual scores are only important relative to scores in your own org |
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| 12:19.49 | ojwb | you can fix ranks, but the interaction between that and scores was a bit odd last year |
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| 12:22.16 | ojwb | _Samo: roughly how many applications are you dealing with? |
| 12:22.28 | _Samo | 23 |
| 12:22.44 | _Samo | six mentors, one backup |
| 12:25.11 | ojwb | well, without knowing what you have, I'd suggest trying to pick out any which are clearly outstanding, and any which are clearly not going anywhere |
| 12:25.29 | ojwb | then ask the mentors about the rest |
| 12:26.54 | David_Srbecky | How does the initial slot alocation algorithm work? Is the mentor count important? |
| 12:27.23 | ojwb | well, the number of applications with assigned mentor gives an upper bound on the slots you can get... |
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| 12:28.35 | ojwb | apparently they may look at signed up mentors as a positive indication outside of the algorithm |
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| 12:30.07 | ojwb | !slots |
| 12:30.07 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 12:30.21 | ojwb | David_Srbecky: that gives the basic idea ^^ |
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| 12:31.32 | David_Srbecky | Thanks. One more thing - we have one developer who will be either mentor or student depending on the number of slots we get. I know he can not be both in the end, however, would it be ok to sign him up for both for the time being? |
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| 12:33.31 | danderson | yes, although he'll need two different google accounts to do that |
| 12:33.38 | danderson | since you can't sign up as both a student and a mentor in the app. |
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| 12:36.52 | adimania | is slot allocation done? |
| 12:37.59 | aghisla | adimania: not yet |
| 12:40.29 | David_Srbecky | danderson, so it is ok to do that... thanks |
| 12:41.03 | danderson | David_Srbecky: as long as the person is one XOR the other by the time the program starts |
| 12:41.18 | yonij | which is the link that we should provide others to veiw our proposal if we have made it public? |
| 12:41.19 | David_Srbecky | indeed |
| 12:41.20 | danderson | and that you have another mentor to take his place if it turns out he's going to be a student |
| 12:41.59 | David_Srbecky | yes, sure |
| 12:42.03 | David_Srbecky | thanks |
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| 12:42.45 | yonij | danderson:which is the link that we should provide others to veiw our proposal if we have made it public? |
| 12:42.56 | danderson | no idea. |
| 12:43.01 | danderson | if I had, I would have repliec. |
| 12:43.03 | danderson | -c+d |
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| 13:21.25 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 13:22.59 | dberkholz | quaid: just sent ya an email |
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| 13:30.16 | bdilly | hey folks. I can't comment proposal. A server error msg is displayed when I try to submit my comments. |
| 13:30.57 | J3RL3 | try again later? |
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| 13:32.48 | CyberTooth | folks:heard that today google will allocate slots to the mentoring organisations. Is that true |
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| 13:34.10 | kai | !slots |
| 13:34.10 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 13:34.29 | kai | CyberTooth: if you're a mentor, see the mailing list for details |
| 13:34.55 | CyberTooth | nope I am a student |
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| 13:37.14 | CyberTooth | kai:so you are referring to the mailing list of GSoC |
| 13:38.13 | ojwb | CyberTooth: then it isn't something that you need to worry about |
| 13:39.02 | CyberTooth | ojwb:ok, fine:) |
| 13:39.05 | ojwb | but kai is referring to the mentor list |
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| 13:40.58 | lolfrenz | have any of you received any comments on your proposals? |
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| 13:42.38 | konst | How can I tell how many slots in the project? |
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| 13:44.22 | konst | ? |
| 13:44.31 | Ivanovic | konst: as student: you can't untill the list of accepted students is published on april 26th |
| 13:44.46 | Zimbo | i'm just querying, how many apps does gsoc achieved this year ?? |
| 13:44.51 | Ivanovic | as admin/mentor: there will "soon" be a mail to the mentor list stating how many slots you will most likely get |
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| 13:45.09 | Ivanovic | ('you' as in 'your org') |
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| 13:46.35 | ojwb | Zimbo: I don't think that's been announced yet |
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| 13:53.08 | J3RL3 | Zimbo: Could be the same as last year, which is around 1k |
| 13:53.42 | Zimbo | ojwb, J3RL# thnks |
| 13:53.47 | J3RL3 | or do you mean how many applications they received? |
| 13:54.04 | Zimbo | J3RL3 : xactly |
| 13:54.45 | J3RL3 | in that case its not known to us yet, but could be roughly around 6-7k |
| 13:54.45 | kai | what ojwb said |
| 13:55.29 | ojwb | the trend has been slightly fewer applications (both for orgs and students) each year, but of higher quality |
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| 13:56.54 | lolfrenz | can we know how many students have subscribed? |
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| 13:57.00 | lolfrenz | i.e. sent at least one proposal |
| 13:57.45 | kai | shrugs |
| 13:58.02 | kai | probably not, mainly because the folks running gsoc are busy with real work :) |
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| 13:59.45 | J3RL3 | yeh, probably all these statistics will be done at the later stage |
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| 14:33.09 | Sn4il | ! |
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| 15:00.23 | Snashaptak | when are the slots to be announced for different organisation ??? |
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| 15:01.08 | Snashaptak | ne body ?? |
| 15:01.18 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 15:01.18 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 15:03.57 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 15:04.07 | skbohra | Snashaptak: ^ |
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| 16:25.31 | mayanks43 | !next |
| 16:25.31 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 16:26.36 | ebo | just an FYI, I turned on "subscribe for updates" and then posted a little test comment to see if I got a notification... I did not. Should I post a bug report with melange, or just mention it here? |
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| 16:27.33 | mayanks43 | ur comments i dont think go to ur mailbox |
| 16:27.42 | mayanks43 | if others comment they shud go |
| 16:27.47 | J3RL3 | ebo: "subscribe for updates" only gives notification if mentors give comments, not your own comments |
| 16:28.11 | ebo | ok. |
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| 16:32.32 | ebo | as a note, I often archive both sides of such negotations. That is why I was expecting to see my own comments. That might be another check box in the configuration menue. |
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| 16:37.08 | d4ddi0 | In an ideal world, "subscribe to updates" would get you all comments and any changes to the document body(during the open editing phase). |
| 16:37.25 | d4ddi0 | maybe a diif from old->new |
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| 17:51.29 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 17:56.43 | gayan | hi |
| 17:56.50 | gayan | Anyone from Sahana.lk |
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| 17:57.53 | int3 | !anyone |
| 17:57.54 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 18:07.38 | safal_soni | cmurillo good wishes |
| 18:07.57 | safal_soni | cmurillo:good wishes |
| 18:08.19 | OsamaK | durinbot is annoying. |
| 18:08.51 | OsamaK | It's enough to ask people to type 'durinbot, help' if they wanted to get these messages. |
| 18:08.59 | rbuels | does the presence or absence of a mentor assigned to a given proposal affect the allocation of slots to orgs? |
| 18:09.20 | Catfish_Man | OsamaK: it should only message you once |
| 18:09.38 | Catfish_Man | after that it will remember and ignore you |
| 18:09.55 | dho_plan9 | rbuels: You should assign at least as many mentors as projects you'd like to accept, and fill out the requested slot allocations accordingly. |
| 18:09.59 | dho_plan9 | (apparently) |
| 18:10.54 | OsamaK | Catfish_Man, is it that important? |
| 18:11.14 | OsamaK | I have never seen a channel with such a bot. |
| 18:11.17 | Catfish_Man | OsamaK: given the massive floods of repeated questions from the FAQ we get here, yes |
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| 18:11.40 | safal_soni | @Catfish_Man:sir has the process of selecting and contacting students started? |
| 18:12.29 | Catfish_Man | safal_soni: student proposal submission is over; now it's time for ranking |
| 18:12.48 | Catfish_Man | once proposals are ranked, slots will be assigned, and then accepted students will be notified |
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| 18:13.35 | safal_soni | @Catfish_Man:slots mean? |
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| 18:14.23 | Catfish_Man | safal_soni: number of students google will fund for each organization |
| 18:14.38 | Catfish_Man | also the @ is not part of my nick; it just means I have ops |
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| 18:15.34 | jkwood | ops == OverPowering S...ensibility. |
| 18:16.15 | YuviPanda | ops -> Cops without C |
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| 18:18.14 | schumaml | and if you want to learn about the special ops powers, just annoy someone with an @ |
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| 18:23.47 | YuviPanda | schumaml: how exactly do you annoy them? |
| 18:23.51 | YuviPanda | is new to IRC Trolling |
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| 18:26.30 | schumaml | run countless bot commands, ask one FAQ after the other, use abbreviations like "r", "u", "c", don't listen when being told to stop this, ... :) |
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| 18:26.48 | YuviPanda | schumaml: oic |
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| 18:27.02 | YuviPanda | schumaml: uv bn kkd b4? |
| 18:27.11 | YuviPanda | bah, that's lame. I'll stick to idling |
| 18:28.38 | jkwood | YuviPanda: Joining the channel and immediately asking why $CHANNELSUBJECT is not as good as $ALTERNATIVETOCHANNELSUBJECT is also a popular option. |
| 18:28.48 | jkwood | Although, I can't really think of any heavy rivalry to GSoC. |
| 18:29.09 | bawr | So. I've decided to watch the Da Vinci Code for the first time (boredom does things to you), and the very first scene I see has me thinking about George Carlin instead. There's an old fart running there that looks just like him. |
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| 18:29.58 | YuviPanda | Digital Fortress is utter crap. THAT GUY CALLED ZIP AN ENCRYPTION ALGORITHM! |
| 18:30.10 | yonij | \ |
| 18:30.54 | jkwood | YuviPanda: You have to show up out of nowhere moments before in order to be effective. |
| 18:31.40 | bawr | Asking why is nobody talking and leaving after one minute is an old, timeless trick. |
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| 18:32.39 | ImagineCup | GSoC is for losers, Imagine Cup is so much better! |
| 18:32.41 | ImagineCup | haha! |
| 18:32.58 | ImagineCup | and look, nobody's talking! |
| 18:33.02 | ImagineCup | what a lame channel this is |
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| 18:33.09 | bawr | I HAVE CREATED... A MONSTER! |
| 18:33.12 | bawr | I am so sorry. |
| 18:33.13 | schumaml | bawr: Illuminati showed me that I don't like Dan Brown's books |
| 18:33.14 | bawr | ;( |
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| 18:33.59 | bawr | schumaml: I don't like them either. I've never read them, but a friend told me that there's one full chapter when they're trying to figure out that Da Vinci wrote backwards. |
| 18:34.06 | bawr | So yeah. |
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| 18:34.48 | bawr | Now, Illuminatus! is something I can appreciate. |
| 18:35.08 | YuviPanda | bawr: I read Da Vinci Code a long time back, but I don't remember any of it now. BOok not good enough I guess |
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| 18:35.16 | schumaml | (Angels and Demons in en_*) |
| 18:35.29 | schumaml | "omg, what |
| 18:35.41 | schumaml | 's the internet?!" -> case closed |
| 18:35.43 | YuviPanda | bawr: my mind was too feeble for Illuminatus!. Had to C-x C-c when I was 1/3 into it |
| 18:35.54 | bawr | Aww. |
| 18:36.08 | bawr | schumaml: Wait, what? They say that in that book? |
| 18:36.18 | schumaml | and Vatican guards that act like morons |
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| 18:36.47 | bawr | My mind's just insane enough for Illuminatus!, I'd say. :) |
| 18:36.51 | micahcowan | : same as YuviPanda |
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| 18:37.28 | YuviPanda | bawr: I gave it to a girl in my class before I came across the .... steamy scenes |
| 18:37.39 | YuviPanda | bawr: she said she loved the book. :| |
| 18:37.43 | schumaml | wireless cameras that can't be triangulated |
| 18:37.43 | bawr | Well, let's get this over with. Yes, RAW is one of the men I'm officially gay for. |
| 18:38.05 | bawr | schumaml: Wow, I'm glad I didn't read that. I nerd rage a lot with these things. |
| 18:38.08 | YuviPanda | bawr: RAW who? |
| 18:38.57 | bawr | Robert Anton Wilson. The Illuminatus! guy. |
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| 18:39.50 | bawr | Also, it probably helps that I'm a Discordian. |
| 18:40.00 | YuviPanda | I have a microprocessor semester exam tomorrow. Haven't touched books till now. |
| 18:40.05 | YuviPanda | make that today - clock just crossed midnight |
| 18:40.12 | bawr | That's the way to do it, really. |
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| 18:40.44 | yonij | I have an operating system tommorow |
| 18:40.51 | yonij | exam |
| 18:40.57 | schumaml | one of my profs claimed that he never read anything, just paid attention during the lectures |
| 18:41.14 | bawr | I always plan to learn ahead, and end up starting after midnight and finishing my exams high on caffeine. |
| 18:41.15 | schumaml | said that if you don#t get it there, you'll never do |
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| 18:41.35 | micahcowan | schumaml, hm, that hadn't been my experience. Inept teachers ftw! |
| 18:41.49 | micahcowan | Of course, my major was in music, so maybe it's different there. |
| 18:41.55 | YuviPanda | meh, i've stuff like 'add two 8-bit numbers using 8086' |
| 18:41.57 | YuviPanda | how hard can it be |
| 18:42.05 | schumaml | well, that was 10 years ago |
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| 18:42.24 | micahcowan | Likewise. |
| 18:42.29 | schumaml | so maybe the teachers degraded |
| 18:42.40 | jkwood | schumaml: It depends on the teaching style. |
| 18:42.51 | micahcowan | But I'm sure it depends on the school too. And yes, the teaching style, and one's own learning style |
| 18:42.57 | micahcowan | I've always learned best from books/documentation. |
| 18:43.07 | bawr | I've been lucky enough to meet mostly good teachers. So I'm big on paying attention on the lectures and just having an insane review session right before the more theoretical exams when all is said and done. |
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| 18:43.25 | micahcowan | Of course, I was homeschooled most of my life, which may bear a lot of the responsibility for my favored learning style. |
| 18:43.46 | jkwood | I'm a kinetic learner - if I don't do it, I don't learn it. |
| 18:43.59 | jkwood | (Well, that's not entirely true, but it's very close to it.) |
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| 18:44.13 | micahcowan | I think that's true for most. |
| 18:44.13 | bawr | Man, they have names for everything these days. |
| 18:44.37 | jkwood | Kinetic - "Motion-related." |
| 18:44.42 | YuviPanda | jkwood++ |
| 18:44.44 | micahcowan | I can pick up a new programming language in a few days, but if I don't start using it, it'll be mostly gone in a week or so. |
| 18:45.29 | schumaml | yeah, but syntax is easily looked up |
| 18:45.52 | schumaml | besides, if your CS, then you're actually looking forward to do less programming yourself |
| 18:45.55 | schumaml | you're |
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| 18:46.14 | bawr | Syntax is the least important part of most programming languages, really. |
| 18:46.29 | dho_plan9 | of programming maybe |
| 18:46.36 | dho_plan9 | it's pretty important for languages :) |
| 18:46.41 | micahcowan | Well, but to be productive with it, a good chunk of the syntax needs to be in easily accessible memory. |
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| 18:47.03 | akashv | what do you think is important while writing a high quality code? |
| 18:47.11 | bawr | No. My point is that "knowing Python" is more about thinking in the language's idioms, not being able to type them out correctly on the first try. |
| 18:47.14 | bawr | Same with any language. |
| 18:47.31 | bawr | Otherwise you end up writing C in Python / Lisp / Ocaml / Java / whatever. |
| 18:47.35 | schumaml | akashv: as testing framework |
| 18:47.37 | schumaml | -s |
| 18:47.50 | micahcowan | True, but my statement still stands. You can't be _productive_ in them without the syntax in easy-access mem. |
| 18:48.13 | schumaml | yes |
| 18:48.15 | jkwood | akashv: There's too many variables to answer that question in one sitting. |
| 18:48.16 | micahcowan | akashv, Knowledge of algorithms, code-organization, and of the idioms and (especially) quirks of the language you're using. IMO. |
| 18:48.22 | bawr | True enough, but syntax is cached by repetition and persistence. That's the easy part. |
| 18:48.36 | schumaml | that's why you create the specs, and hire a programmer who's fluent in the language to code it |
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| 18:49.43 | bawr | I mean, it's similar to learning a new "human" language - you need to start actually thinking in it, not just translate into it. |
| 18:49.50 | yonij | can anyone tell is it compulsory to know the language well to take up a project in gsoc |
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| 18:50.03 | micahcowan | Yeah. But that's the hardest part, in human languages. |
| 18:50.11 | bawr | Depends on the organisation. Mostly, yes. |
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| 18:50.21 | schumaml | yonij: the organization will tell you |
| 18:51.09 | yonij | am supposing a situation i which they like the design but not the laguage ...will they through away the application |
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| 18:51.35 | bawr | See, this is why I love being Polish. I get one of the world's trickier languages for free. Learning english after that was a breeze. :) |
| 18:51.48 | schumaml | I don't think that you even get to start in the wrong language |
| 18:52.21 | bawr | Plus, there's some wicked puns to be had where Polish and English intersect. ;) |
| 18:52.25 | schumaml | yonij: you should be talking to potential mentors now, you know? |
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| 18:53.17 | yonij | schumaml:ya..i ahve tried...he says he ned to review the rest of the application to actually say that |
| 18:53.40 | bawr | So? Wait until he does. |
| 18:53.57 | yonij | hm |
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| 18:55.30 | kblin | yonij: so assuming you applied for my project and wanted to implement features in C++ or Java, I'd probably throw out the proposal, as we explicitly listed the programming languages to use on the ideas page |
| 18:55.48 | kblin | but for other orgs, YMMV |
| 18:56.06 | Arc | ditto |
| 18:56.08 | schumaml | our ideas page doesn't list them, but the home page: C |
| 18:56.13 | yonij | kblin:unfortunately in my case they have only said bnot in python |
| 18:56.15 | bawr | kblin: He's applying for berkman, and we all know how clear and accessible those guys are. |
| 18:57.05 | kblin | schumaml: well, samba is written in C, but there's some plugins that may be written using python |
| 18:57.16 | kblin | so we decided to make the language to use extra-clear |
| 18:57.23 | kblin | bawr: yeah |
| 18:57.32 | YuviPanda | and I applied to move parts of cheese to vala - but that was specifically listed on the ideas page |
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| 19:02.16 | bawr | Well, in keeping with the tradition that seems to surround these maters... |
| 19:02.23 | bawr | --berkman.slots; |
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| 19:03.14 | ImagineCup | quiet? |
| 19:03.33 | bawr | Oh you. |
| 19:03.52 | ImagineCup | oooo! Someone's talkin! |
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| 19:04.20 | kimelto | really? can we talk on irc? |
| 19:05.07 | ImagineCup | kimelto: dunno, i can't hear anyone. can u? |
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| 19:08.17 | ImagineCup | bah, too quiet |
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| 19:08.54 | aghisla | by chance it's a 10line/hr channel. |
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| 19:10.13 | kimelto | with 400nicks |
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| 19:11.20 | yonij | does any one know the no: of proposals that will be taken by google in total? |
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| 19:11.32 | yonij | this year |
| 19:11.49 | YuviPanda | yonij: i believe it's hard limited at 1k |
| 19:12.02 | bawr | Hmm. It would make a useful activity measure. Absolute activity - lines per hour, and relative activity - lines per hour divided by the number of nicks. |
| 19:12.07 | bawr | *nocks on the channel |
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| 19:12.41 | yonij | last time it was around 1200 rit |
| 19:13.15 | schumaml | I seem to recall 1.5k slots, mentioned in a mail to the -discuss list |
| 19:13.32 | yonij | so this time they reduced it? |
| 19:13.36 | schumaml | but this should be easy to verify |
| 19:14.59 | YuviPanda | bawr: we have public logs? |
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| 19:15.11 | aghisla | patience, lads - we will know all the truth soon. |
| 19:15.28 | bawr | Oh, I know I could compute it. I'm just too lazy, throwing off ideas is simpler. :) |
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| 19:16.41 | schumaml | "We've funded 1,000 student projects in 2009 and expect the same number of student participants in 2010." |
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| 19:16.44 | schumaml | from the FAQ |
| 19:17.27 | yonij | k...thats like 1:8 chance 4 every one...not bad |
| 19:17.37 | schumaml | !odds |
| 19:17.37 | socinfo | "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 19:18.00 | yonij | still...u get the idea |
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| 19:18.09 | bawr | Again, even if you want "odds", you want the number of *applicants*, not *proposals*. >:| |
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| 19:19.04 | yonij | 8000 is proposals or applicants ? |
| 19:19.15 | cronco | 8000? |
| 19:19.17 | danderson | proposals |
| 19:19.20 | yonij | around |
| 19:19.27 | yonij | k |
| 19:19.28 | danderson | but, again, "odds" doesn't mean a thing here. |
| 19:19.30 | cronco | doesn't the google open source blog say they got about 5500? |
| 19:19.38 | danderson | If your proposal was a piece of crap, your odds are exactly zero. |
| 19:19.38 | cronco | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/9J1thv62SGw/google-summer-of-code-student.html |
| 19:19.48 | yonij | true |
| 19:19.52 | danderson | If your proposal was awesome and you've already discussed it with the org, the odds are close to 1 |
| 19:19.59 | danderson | it's not a lottery. |
| 19:20.03 | yonij | :) |
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| 19:21.33 | schumaml | wow, we got 0.4% of all proposals |
| 19:21.46 | bawr | Well, technically, odds could be found. You just need to quantify the effort and skill put into the proposal and its discussion, and find odds of acceptance for the same effort quotient. ;) |
| 19:21.58 | schumaml | I would have expected that it was a much smaller share |
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| 19:22.04 | bawr | How you do that is another matter. |
| 19:22.18 | micahcowan | danderson, well... "close to 1", if not for the limited number of slots available. |
| 19:22.21 | danderson | bawr: yes, but the error bars on those variables are so big that you might as well quantify the odds in oranges per space station |
| 19:22.24 | danderson | it's meaningless. |
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| 19:22.48 | yonij | ya...wat about the no of limited slots |
| 19:23.19 | cronco | it's only (sort of) a loterry if the competing proposals are closely matched in quality, am I right? |
| 19:23.33 | schumaml | danderson: this can be answered with a simple phone call or mail to nasa, though |
| 19:23.45 | cronco | and even then, mentors are assumed to take the best of the crop |
| 19:23.54 | schumaml | and maybe the russians, too |
| 19:23.57 | jkwood | I always quantify odds in oranges per space station. Is that wrong? |
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| 19:24.50 | bawr | danderson: Oh, I agree it's quite meaningless. But I'm a nerd, thinking about problems like that is what gets me going. :) |
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| 19:26.39 | schumaml | well, it's not a simple slots/proposals change for sure |
| 19:26.43 | schumaml | chance |
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| 19:28.02 | schumaml | and it'd also be naive to assume that the selection is only based on objective quality |
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| 19:29.11 | jenred | cfs were you supposed to take them out of the plastic or something? |
| 19:29.23 | bawr | Not really. Get an AI and ask mentors to rate faux applications to derieve a selection function for each org. ;) |
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| 19:32.56 | yonij | does gsoc have projects for google? |
| 19:33.30 | kimelto | I guess |
| 19:33.37 | danderson | some open source projects started by google are participating, if that's what you're asking |
| 19:33.41 | danderson | eg. Chromium |
| 19:33.47 | danderson | !orgs |
| 19:33.48 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 19:35.42 | yonij | k |
| 19:35.58 | kimelto | google-caja? never heard of it:) |
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| 19:40.37 | anth_x | my backup admin and i have a disagreement over reading carol's instructions for where we need to be right now. |
| 19:41.18 | anth_x | if our org profile is requesting N slots, and we have >N proposals with assigned (not just "willing") mentors, but they might not be the top N, are we okay? |
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| 19:42.23 | Catfish_Man | anth_x: yes, that's fine |
| 19:42.29 | Catfish_Man | just make sure it's the top N by the deadline |
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| 19:43.13 | anth_x | the april 21 "everyone matched up" deadline, yes? |
| 19:43.36 | Catfish_Man | probably? I haven't been watching the timeline much |
| 19:43.54 | anth_x | but not the slot allocations done between tuesday and thursday. |
| 19:44.32 | Catfish_Man | right |
| 19:44.37 | anth_x | awesome, thanks. |
| 19:44.40 | anth_x | off to dinner. :-) |
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| 20:30.51 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 20:30.51 | socinfo | "numapps" is 367 mentoring orgs applied in 2010. |
| 20:31.54 | yonij | do we have smthing like this for no: of applicants :) |
| 20:31.57 | ojwb | !learn numapps as In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals |
| 20:31.57 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:32.11 | ojwb | yonij: we do now |
| 20:32.22 | ojwb | well, we don't for number of *applicants* |
| 20:32.31 | ojwb | just the number of applications they submitted |
| 20:32.55 | ojwb | !learn numapps as In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 20:32.55 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:33.00 | yonij | so only 5539 proposals? |
| 20:33.13 | ojwb | so said carols on the ospo blog |
| 20:33.26 | ojwb | the trend for the last few years has been fewer applications of better quality |
| 20:33.31 | ojwb | from both orgs and students |
| 20:33.38 | ojwb | which I think is healthy actually |
| 20:33.41 | bawr | ojwb: Link? |
| 20:33.47 | yonij | ya it is |
| 20:34.05 | ojwb | we're improving our ability to weed out poor applications completely |
| 20:34.06 | schumaml | there's no way to count the number of students who submitted applications? |
| 20:34.20 | ojwb | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:34.51 | ojwb | schumaml: we've had that statistics for past years, but it's not yet public AFAIK |
| 20:35.02 | bawr | ojwb: Thanks. |
| 20:35.07 | ojwb | I'd guess about half that from past years |
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| 20:36.01 | yonij | 2500 applicants then.. |
| 20:36.21 | schumaml | "well, we don't for number of *applicants*" is a weird way of saying "this has not been published yet" ;) |
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| 20:37.58 | yonij | does 1st time gsoc 'rs get any previleges chrome://chatzilla/skin/images/face-wink.png |
| 20:38.05 | yonij | ops |
| 20:38.32 | schumaml | interesting |
| 20:38.43 | Catfish_Man | yonij: no |
| 20:38.44 | bawr | The hell. |
| 20:38.47 | schumaml | how did you managed to the the chrome:// url of the icon pasted there? |
| 20:39.01 | bawr | Precisely what I'm wondering. |
| 20:39.02 | jkwood | Ctrl+V. |
| 20:39.03 | yonij | mouse draged... |
| 20:39.10 | yonij | mistake |
| 20:39.28 | mlankhorst | chrome://chatzilla/skin/images/face-wink.png |
| 20:39.35 | schumaml | Catfish_Man: depends on the org, doesn't it? |
| 20:39.50 | Catfish_Man | schumaml: sure, I suppose |
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| 20:40.08 | ojwb | some orgs do have a policy not to accept people who have done gsoc before |
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| 20:40.39 | ojwb | it's possible some seek out such people |
| 20:40.56 | bawr | Really? I only know OpenMRI asked robby to go for a different org after he applied for 2 or 3 years in a row. |
| 20:41.27 | ojwb | bawr: you've talked to robby too though... |
| 20:42.15 | bawr | Yes. Yes I did. Why? |
| 20:42.23 | yonij | ha well...veteran gsoc'rs are any way better of than us(1st timers ) .. ;) |
| 20:42.41 | jkwood | Not necessarily. |
| 20:42.49 | ojwb | i don't have examples to hand, but I've certainly seen org admins mention it in the past |
| 20:44.07 | ojwb | yonij: well, you aren't likely to need to teach them how open source works much, but I've heard some people try to just coast through the second time |
| 20:44.34 | bawr | Coast through? |
| 20:44.42 | ojwb | do as little as they can get away with |
| 20:44.50 | bawr | Ahh. That'd suck. |
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| 20:45.10 | downeym | If someone wants to modify their subscription to the mentors list, who can they contact? |
| 20:45.30 | yonij | but there will be very less ppl like that i suppose |
| 20:45.32 | ojwb | downeym: carols probably |
| 20:45.44 | ojwb | I think it's probably unusual |
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| 20:46.00 | ojwb | my student last year was a "second timer", and excellent |
| 20:46.08 | downeym | ojwb: that's what i guessed, but wanted some confirmation :) thanks |
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| 20:50.10 | kblin | my second year _was_ easier for me. I was done half-way through.. because then I had to rewrite everything using a different technology :) |
| 20:50.19 | kblin | gotta love license issues |
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| 20:51.48 | bawr | Argh. |
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| 20:51.59 | kblin | but I'm actually glad I did my third gsoc for a different org.. new challenges make you learn new stuff |
| 20:52.14 | kblin | and then people told me you'd get two shirts for mentoring :) |
| 20:52.32 | bawr | Well, considering I don't fail horribly this year, I think I'll go for Plan9 next year. Or try to, anyway. |
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| 20:52.53 | thebolt | evening kblin |
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| 21:00.42 | Wolf_OSGeo | midnight (again) and again I need to sleep :S |
| 21:00.56 | Wolf_OSGeo | day's are too short :( |
| 21:03.27 | thebolt | hey Wolf_OSGeo |
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| 21:13.12 | Kosma | ? |
| 21:13.34 | Kosma | and how do they treat newlines? |
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| 22:13.44 | _ke | !seen carols |
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| 22:13.57 | _ke | socinfo, help |
| 22:13.57 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 22:25.15 | ScottMac | when should we use Mark as Ineligible? |
| 22:25.42 | Catfish_Man | ScottMac: completely irrelevant or spam proposals |
| 22:25.52 | ScottMac | ok |
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| 22:25.59 | mmadia | and asap. |
| 22:25.59 | ScottMac | the proposal I got was so weak |
| 22:26.10 | ScottMac | he didn't describe how he was going to implement the task |
| 22:26.20 | Catfish_Man | if it's just bad, downvote it |
| 22:26.21 | xb95 | weak ones I just marked -4 |
| 22:26.24 | ScottMac | and what he was really going to do |
| 22:26.32 | ScottMac | i'd just like to hide it to save the other 10 mentors reading it :) |
| 22:26.37 | ScottMac | rather than waste their time |
| 22:26.46 | Catfish_Man | could do that, yeah |
| 22:26.49 | Catfish_Man | there's no hard rule |
| 22:27.12 | ScottMac | ok |
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| 22:27.19 | ScottMac | most of our mentors are on company time :P |
| 22:27.25 | ScottMac | don't want them to waste it |
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| 22:31.20 | ojwb | ScottMac: carols described the criteria in a post to the mentors list |
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| 22:32.12 | ojwb | what you describe wouldn't be "ineligible" by those |
| 22:32.43 | ScottMac | ok |
| 22:33.00 | ScottMac | i'm just marking them down for now |
| 22:33.22 | ojwb | paraphrasing from memory, "spam" is "buy viagra from me" and "here's my project idea for working on <something totallly unrelated to PHP>" |
| 22:33.40 | ojwb | (PHP specifically for your case of course) |
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| 22:34.15 | summatusmentis | "all submissions must indicate that students plan to use PHP" :-P |
| 22:34.36 | prat | lol |
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| 22:45.14 | bawr | summatusmentis: do they outright reject all submissions which lack that? |
| 22:45.55 | summatusmentis | bawr: I have no idea, that was a joke :) |
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| 22:46.10 | bawr | Aww. |
| 22:46.20 | Landon | dang, it's that time of year again |
| 22:46.24 | Landon | when my hard drives start failing from heat |
| 22:46.25 | Landon | :( |
| 22:46.31 | bawr | Would have been the quickest reading comprehension negative test ever. |
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| 22:46.43 | summatusmentis | don't say that Landon, I've had too many drives die :( |
| 22:46.52 | Landon | mine always get flaky around the summer |
| 22:46.57 | summatusmentis | tah all, presentation to give |
| 22:46.58 | Landon | and this time it's my backup drive |
| 22:47.14 | ScottMac | ojwb: I work at Facebook now |
| 22:47.15 | ScottMac | :P |
| 22:47.28 | ScottMac | so its a bunch of projects |
| 22:48.32 | ojwb | ScottMac: oh right |
| 22:48.53 | ojwb | ScottMac: are you in the US now then, or do they have a UK office? |
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| 22:50.03 | ScottMac | ojwb: i moved to SF |
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| 23:55.54 | coppro | How come I can't find the public link to my proposal anymore? |
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