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| 00:46.01 | Arc | um |
| 00:46.14 | Arc | Melange's admin option to assign a mentor is broken |
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| 00:49.28 | Arc | i'm trying to assign a score, and its not taking. |
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| 02:00.57 | BHSPitMonkey | Is any of the Facebook mentorship represented here? |
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| 02:03.21 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 02:03.21 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 02:03.25 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: ^^^ |
| 02:03.30 | skbohra | BHSPitMonkey: ^ |
| 02:03.39 | skbohra | ojwb: hey, how you doing ? |
| 02:03.40 | ojwb | skbohra: ^^^ |
| 02:03.59 | ojwb | doing well |
| 02:04.14 | ojwb | skbohra: ^^ |
| 02:04.42 | BHSPitMonkey | ojwb: unfortunately, some of the Facebook projects aren't as well-unified as the bigger OSS projects are |
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| 02:05.08 | skbohra | BHSPitMonkey: as expected :) |
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| 02:06.11 | BHSPitMonkey | I'm lurking in #three20 and the Facebook-gsoc mailing list as well, but neither are too active. Figured I'd poke around here, too :) |
| 02:06.19 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: well, it's still true that you're basically lucky if you find a mentor for X here |
| 02:06.23 | bawr | They can't be worse than Berkman. (Okay, I could not resist.) |
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| 02:06.52 | skbohra | bawr: :D |
| 02:06.59 | BHSPitMonkey | ojwb: hey, there's 340 GSoC-focused people here. I liked the odds :) |
| 02:07.07 | skbohra | bawr: and PCIT are worst ever :P |
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| 02:07.24 | bawr | Haven't seen PCIT candidates in here, so I can't say. |
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| 02:08.17 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: many are students, some are the same person more than once, at least 2 are bots... |
| 02:08.22 | kwinz3 | hi |
| 02:08.32 | skbohra | ojwb: haha |
| 02:08.38 | kwinz3 | my irc shell provider had technical problems today |
| 02:09.04 | kwinz3 | issues seem to have been resolved but I have been banned from #gsoc |
| 02:09.12 | kwinz3 | could you please lift the ban |
| 02:09.14 | BHSPitMonkey | Hey, a blip on the mailing list. Now I'm getting somewhere |
| 02:09.20 | kwinz3 | kwinz@217.172.33.54 |
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| 02:09.56 | bawr | skbohra: And for the record, my org (osuosl) is awesome. I only know berkman sucks because of people who come in here. |
| 02:10.55 | skbohra | BHSPitMonkey: good luck |
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| 02:12.17 | skbohra | bawr: nice to hear good things about your org |
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| 02:13.50 | BHSPitMonkey | bawr is simply clever enough not to speak ill of his organization in a public forum :P |
| 02:14.06 | skbohra | BHSPitMonkey: haha well said ;) |
| 02:14.13 | tag608 | did anyone of you got notifications from your org after the deadline passed? |
| 02:14.46 | diofeher | tag608: yes... but i'm in constatly contact with devs in their channel |
| 02:14.58 | skbohra | tag608: what sort of / |
| 02:15.11 | BHSPitMonkey | I've heard nothing |
| 02:15.19 | tag608 | reviews on proposals |
| 02:15.28 | tag608 | none here |
| 02:15.52 | skbohra | tag608: they must be busy doing internal things |
| 02:16.05 | skbohra | tag608: or your app is good enough for them :) |
| 02:16.44 | tag608 | hah |
| 02:17.46 | bawr | BHSPitMonkey: Well, OSUOSL links to the RFC for Avian Carrier TCP/IP in their ideas page, so it's not like I could say something bad. I could try, but then my brain would be all "packets on pigeons! packets on pigeons! abort!", so it's pointless to try. :) |
| 02:18.24 | bawr | tag608: I've got a notification that my proposal had been received and is being reviewed. |
| 02:18.29 | tag608 | has anyone here applied for pidgin |
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| 02:19.01 | tag608 | bawr: you must be relieved |
| 02:19.30 | skbohra | tag608: for the note, none for me either |
| 02:19.42 | bawr | tag608: Well, I barely noticed. I'm on the org IRC all the time, so I knew what was going on before I checked mail. |
| 02:19.52 | BHSPitMonkey | I'd be so comforted if my org. sent out first round cuts or something this week |
| 02:20.49 | BHSPitMonkey | I'm having to turn down a full-time job because they can't wait until the 26th to fill the position >.< |
| 02:21.15 | tag608 | so is there nobody in this room who has applied for pidgin? |
| 02:21.42 | bawr | BHSPitMonkey: Google actually asked orgs not to do stuff like that, IIRC. |
| 02:21.47 | skbohra | BHSPitMonkey: hmm interesting |
| 02:22.01 | BHSPitMonkey | bawr: yeah :( |
| 02:22.03 | bawr | tag608: You have a better chance in the pidgin IRC channel / mailing list. |
| 02:22.22 | BHSPitMonkey | skbohra: but stupid! |
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| 02:23.03 | bawr | BHSPitMonkey: That's kind of a special case, though. You could try to get in touch with the mentors and ask them for a ballpark chance of you getting in. |
| 02:23.41 | skbohra | bawr: I think he is unable to contact them :) |
| 02:23.44 | BHSPitMonkey | bawr: I suppose it would be worth asking about, though my org. has yet to even assign mentors |
| 02:24.03 | bawr | s/mentors/gsoc coorginators/, then. |
| 02:24.45 | BHSPitMonkey | I feel like it would seem pushy this early into the review period |
| 02:25.51 | bawr | Well, it's all in how you say it. A polite request, saying that if they can't answer that's fine as well, outlining why you need to know... really shouldn't be a black mark, but of course it varies. |
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| 02:27.25 | bawr | I'm kind of in a different boat - if I get in, I'll be using GSoC to fulfill my university's summer internship requirement, and since the results come out on 26th, I'll only have a day or so to put the paperwork in. |
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| 02:28.22 | dberkholz | BHSPitMonkey: you're turning down a job because you have an application in for something else? that's a bit unusual. |
| 02:29.09 | bawr | dberkholz: Well, whatever students choose from GSoC for themselves is usually more interesting than work for hire, isn't it? |
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| 02:29.42 | dberkholz | bawr: if that's the case, maybe they're applying for the wrong jobs... |
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| 02:30.04 | dberkholz | i believe you should love at least 75% of what you do at work |
| 02:30.55 | anth_x | that's about right for my project time. |
| 02:31.07 | anth_x | unfortunately, it's the 25% that pays me. :-/ |
| 02:31.47 | bawr | dberkholz: I said "more interesting". That doesn't mean the work stuff is not interesting in its own right. |
| 02:32.08 | BHSPitMonkey | dberkholz: the job wouldn't be terribly exciting for me, but it pays well and would last me a few months or however long I needed to move on |
| 02:32.27 | BHSPitMonkey | however, I wouldn't ruin a shot a GSoC for it |
| 02:32.36 | sreich | what does said job involve? |
| 02:33.02 | BHSPitMonkey | being a httpd/drupal sysadmin more or less |
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| 02:35.23 | sreich | do you prefer to code, over anything else? |
| 02:36.51 | BHSPitMonkey | -anything- else? perhaps not, but it's the one passion of mine that I can get paid for :) |
| 02:38.40 | BHSPitMonkey | does milange have a page where you can browse public proposals? |
| 02:39.14 | skbohra | melange ? |
| 02:39.30 | BHSPitMonkey | erm, yeah |
| 02:40.16 | ojwb | not that I'm aware of |
| 02:40.20 | bawr | Hmm. I like coding, but I think I would prefer to be a sysadmin for my day job. |
| 02:41.30 | bawr | Or even better, something hardware related. |
| 02:42.26 | sreich | I'd like coding to be my day, night, and all between job :D |
| 02:43.01 | bawr | Well, if I got something interesting to work on, yeah. But statistics are against me. |
| 02:43.19 | bawr | I should poke my one responsible friend to fill the paperwork and do a startup with me. |
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| 02:43.37 | BHSPitMonkey | I'd like to climb and hike in the daytime, code pet projects in the evening, and somehow be given money so I can buy new toys when they come out :D |
| 02:43.42 | bawr | Genius plan, really. I get to code, he gets to code and, well, do the paperwork. |
| 02:44.35 | bawr | Hm. Only I'll have to build up his self-esteem before that. Looks like I have a project for the summer, then. |
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| 02:53.10 | Catfish_Man | hi |
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| 02:56.49 | Catfish_Man | no. I'm busy |
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| 02:57.24 | kwinz3 | mhm okay hf |
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| 03:56.40 | Arc | I'm really sorry to say this, but Melange either needs to radically improve or get dropped for next year. this is absolutely insane. |
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| 03:57.36 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: If it got dropped what would replace it? |
| 03:57.56 | Arc | I'm writing a system to manage PSF's mentoring program based on Python 3 |
| 03:58.23 | Arc | (we're running a GHOP-like program this summer, though Google's involvement as a sponsor is questionable now that LH isnt working there anymore) |
| 03:58.40 | BHSPitMonkey | Maybe this summer's Melange students will do a good job :) |
| 03:59.11 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: Google won't run a system they can't run on their systems, why not just improve melange? |
| 03:59.48 | Arc | because I see no value in melange. if i was going to use python 2, I'd use Trac as a base |
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| 04:00.31 | Arc | its slow, overly procedural and atomic in operations, doesn't have a public api, and has more rough edges than features |
| 04:01.07 | MatthewWilkes | *shrug* |
| 04:01.08 | Arc | the only saving grace is not having to use beautifulsoup to parse data out of it anymore, but even then, there's no way to get data back in automatically. ive given up trying to write a script to push my data back into it |
| 04:01.26 | MatthewWilkes | it wouldn't take you long to put those things in |
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| 04:02.34 | Arc | ive been clocking my use of the app, at present it takes almost two minutes per student to assign a mentor once i have the data in front of me, then a full minute to refresh the list, expand it so i can actually see all the data, and open the next student up |
| 04:03.16 | Arc | I haven't looked at the code, but I get the feeling that a lot of really bright people are working on improving it, so the problem must be fundamental to its design |
| 04:04.08 | MatthewWilkes | None of the core developers have finished university yet and are doing it in their spare time |
| 04:04.26 | MatthewWilkes | They're bright but they're inexperienced in real world development |
| 04:04.35 | Arc | you're not selling anyone :-) |
| 04:04.52 | MatthewWilkes | I'm not trying to sell them, I'm saying they need all the help they can get |
| 04:04.53 | Arc | seriously, both Titus and myself (PSF) have been trying to get people interested in melange, and everyone who's looked at it has backed away |
| 04:05.18 | MatthewWilkes | yeah, it's a django app running on app engine, I'm not surprised ;) |
| 04:05.56 | Arc | I haven't looked at it, I manage 4 Py3 projects already and dont have have time to pick up something new like this. at least the app for PySchool (our GHOP-like program) is based on one of the codebases i'm already working on |
| 04:06.01 | Arc | (http://concordance-xmpp.org/) |
| 04:06.19 | MatthewWilkes | When you get a group of intelligent enthusiastic people who don't have much experience they'll get something done |
| 04:06.27 | MatthewWilkes | it won't be great but it will work |
| 04:06.31 | MatthewWilkes | and that's exactly what we've got |
| 04:06.45 | Arc | I agree. I just don't think such an important project as GSoC should be relying on the output of that work |
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| 04:07.14 | Arc | I'm not poo-pooing Melange in general, its just inappropriate for something of this scale. |
| 04:07.46 | Arc | most orgs can overlook it because they have a half dozen, maybe a dozen or two at most, applicants and only a handful of students. we're working at a much larger scale |
| 04:08.26 | MatthewWilkes | Google's supplying one full time person, Carol, to work on SoC. Maybe that needs to be changed, but I don't see it happening soon |
| 04:08.28 | Arc | I still can't figure out why I, as admin, am not allowed to give students a score, or how we're suppose to order students without activating mentor voting |
| 04:09.03 | Arc | my complaint is over the software, not the staff :-) |
| 04:09.15 | MatthewWilkes | and the software is a direct consequence of the staff |
| 04:09.34 | MatthewWilkes | I've spent a lot of my time fixing bugs in melange that stopped me being productive |
| 04:10.08 | MatthewWilkes | so I feel quite strongly about this, if a few more people joined in with their pet-peeves it would free up some time for the core devs to work on feature requests |
| 04:10.40 | Arc | thank you for that. perhaps you can find time to add a public api so this code can be worked around entirely by those of us who need it |
| 04:10.44 | coppro | I think the other issue is running unstable software live |
| 04:10.52 | Arc | XMLRPC, anything |
| 04:11.19 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I'd quite like that too, but is it a feature request on the code website? |
| 04:11.40 | MatthewWilkes | I doubt I'll have time to and it's not enough of an itch for me to prioritise it past the things that stop *me* working |
| 04:11.53 | Arc | all I want to do is be able to sync my database with the melange database. I know what mentors go with which students, but the melange database doesn't hold all the fields I have nor allows me to do half a dozen necessary things in processing them |
| 04:12.00 | MatthewWilkes | but I'd be happy to star the issue and emphasise to others that it'd be important |
| 04:12.10 | Arc | well you're not managing 70+ mentors |
| 04:12.16 | MatthewWilkes | No, I'm not |
| 04:12.20 | coppro | Also, Google's willing to put $10-20k towards Melange for students; they could hire someone for a brief time to make sure the software runs smoothly during the month of application processing |
| 04:12.48 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I'm an org admin, same as you. I'm not a melange committer. I'm just working on the things that stop me doing me job |
| 04:12.50 | ojwb | complaining here isn't likely to do anything |
| 04:13.09 | ojwb | whether we agree or disagree, very few of us work for google |
| 04:13.15 | Arc | I'm just venting. ive been at this for hours and will be at it for hours more |
| 04:13.16 | coppro | that's true |
| 04:13.20 | Arc | i likely won't be sleeping tonight |
| 04:13.21 | ojwb | and those who do probably aren't in a position to influence this |
| 04:13.22 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I accept that it's stopping you doing your job and I *do* sympathise, but it's not my problem |
| 04:14.19 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I had the exact same thing with the HTML filter during the org application period, I literally spent 40 minutes per revision tweaking HTML and whitespace so it wouldn't get mangled |
| 04:14.25 | Arc | I think for most people, there's a certain threshold of software usability vs feature requests which draws their interest in working on it |
| 04:14.39 | coppro | I'm annoyed as a student that admins and mentors can't process faster, since it affects my getting a summer job |
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| 04:15.07 | ojwb | coppro: but we're not supposed to reveal ahead of the official announcement regardless of when we're "done" |
| 04:15.12 | MatthewWilkes | Wasted a LOT of my time, so I spent a lot more time trying to fix the issue. The melange guys were very helpful and applied my patches and rolled them out immediately |
| 04:15.16 | ojwb | and changes can happen at the last minute anyway |
| 04:15.19 | Arc | if software works well enough to want to use it, but lacks a feature or two, many of us will contribute time to add those features or close those bugs, but when software /really/ doesn't work well, and its clear that trying to get it to work would be a major undertaking, we go to something else |
| 04:16.21 | Landon | MUTT |
| 04:16.25 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I agree and there are some really nasty pain points in melange, but I do think it's an issue of manpower and a solvable one at that |
| 04:16.25 | Landon | argh |
| 04:16.30 | ojwb | it's slightly different here in that you have to use it if you want to participate in gsoc |
| 04:16.37 | ojwb | which nobody is forcing you to do... |
| 04:16.38 | Arc | as it is, we did look at melange to run PySchool, and its not ready for GHOP so certainly isnt ready for us - not to mention PySchool is entirely focused on Py3 projects, so it'd be laughable if the software used to run it wasn't |
| 04:16.48 | ojwb | plenty of orgs would love to have been accepted in your place |
| 04:17.32 | Arc | ojwb: we're an umbrella organization, we include more than a dozen other orgs in the program |
| 04:17.49 | ojwb | sure, but you still don't have to apply |
| 04:18.05 | ojwb | and you personally don't have to be involved even if your org applies |
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| 04:18.33 | ojwb | my take is that the old webapp was poor too, but at least I could try to fix this one |
| 04:18.53 | Arc | if that attitude was the way the program was running, rather than Google partnering with the mentoring orgs, we wouldn't have things like the mentors summit |
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| 04:19.30 | ojwb | I don't know python well enough to make it seem a good use of my time though |
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| 04:20.48 | Arc | and I don't work with Py2 or appengine, so we're about the same |
| 04:21.06 | ojwb | cool, let's form a club |
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| 04:22.02 | MatthewWilkes | I work with Py2 all the time, so the language was no surprise, but django and appengine are batshit insane at times so it felt like a different language ;) |
| 04:22.19 | Arc | django is fine. mixing it with appengine is insane. |
| 04:22.24 | ojwb | does wonder what melange does for appengine's reputation though |
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| 04:22.50 | Arc | likely about the same as google releasing Wave in pre-alpha state |
| 04:22.51 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I meant together they're insane :) |
| 04:22.55 | ojwb | if I had a boss and he told me we were going to deploy on appengine, I'd be nervous... |
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| 04:22.57 | Landon | thinks madewokherd's name looks familiar... |
| 04:22.59 | Arc | http://djangopony.com/ |
| 04:23.33 | MatthewWilkes | Although Django does remind me of some of the mistakes made by the Zope community years ago |
| 04:24.03 | Arc | Django is nice, i often pick up consulting gigs working in it, but its fairly antiquated overall |
| 04:24.57 | ojwb | Arc: you're clearly far ahead of me on this - I still think Django is a town in Colorado |
| 04:25.02 | Arc | if you're making a website full of dynamic pages, its fine. if you have any level of ajax/comet/bosh its kludgy |
| 04:25.24 | MatthewWilkes | appengine is the same. I've been trying to find a way to re-arrange the melange repo to look like a normal python project rather than having sys.path hacks everywhere |
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| 04:26.18 | MatthewWilkes | and the high-level methods in the appengine sdk are so huge it's hard to call them usefully, so you have to monkeypatch the http server for ftests, et |
| 04:26.19 | MatthewWilkes | c |
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| 04:29.40 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 05:26.00 | ritek | !next |
| 05:26.00 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 05:54.32 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Accepted student applications announced on April 26 - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
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| 06:38.48 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 06:45.23 | pygi | morning dholbach |
| 06:45.25 | pygi | up already? |
| 06:46.01 | dholbach | it's 8:45 |
| 06:46.37 | kai | yeah, people are already at work :) |
| 06:48.10 | pygi | kai, people need to work? :P |
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| 06:49.14 | thebolt | hi all (and yes, i am at work since ~40 minutes..) |
| 06:50.24 | mkarnicki | hi :) (and I attending a boring multimedia class :< ) |
| 06:51.18 | pygi | I have accounting soon :D |
| 06:51.30 | mkarnicki | yuck :d |
| 06:51.38 | pygi | haha see? |
| 06:51.42 | pygi | multimedia is better :P |
| 06:51.49 | mkarnicki | I have physics! |
| 06:52.08 | mkarnicki | well.. i think I indeed prefer multimedia over accounting :> |
| 06:52.10 | thebolt | mkarnicki: what kind of physics? it is pretty broad ;) |
| 06:52.50 | mkarnicki | thebolt: i know xD we're doing basic stuff, and implement it. looks like basic physics |
| 06:53.07 | mkarnicki | balls bouncing off other objects, gravity |
| 06:53.09 | thiago_home | quantum physics? |
| 06:53.16 | mkarnicki | huhuh :> |
| 06:53.19 | thiago_home | photoelectric effect? |
| 06:53.29 | thiago_home | uncertainty principle? |
| 06:53.43 | thiago_home | :-P |
| 06:53.51 | mkarnicki | basic phyyysics :D that's 4th semester of computer science course, and 1st semester of physics.. oh come on :D |
| 06:54.02 | thiago_home | but it would be fun |
| 06:54.13 | thiago_home | a physics package that would make random effects |
| 06:54.18 | thiago_home | "that's quantum physics for you" |
| 06:54.22 | mkarnicki | :D |
| 06:54.32 | thiago_home | btw, you can use that argument if your professor says you have bugs |
| 06:54.52 | mkarnicki | hahaha! "that's not a bug, that's quantum physics!" |
| 06:55.03 | mkarnicki | thiago_home: thanks for the hint :D |
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| 06:58.26 | thebolt | mkarnicki: aka newtonian mechanics :P |
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| 06:59.14 | thebolt | thiago_home: i've done some QM "simulation" code a few times.. but only on single-particle-scale stuff and pretty simple ;) |
| 06:59.34 | thiago_home | tunnelling? |
| 06:59.59 | thiago_home | hated those equations with imaginary numbers |
| 07:00.46 | thebolt | thiago_home: could simulate that yes (2d stuff though) |
| 07:00.58 | thebolt | define a potential well and let a particle move around in it :) |
| 07:01.11 | thebolt | "particle" and "move around" I should say ;) |
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| 07:03.57 | mkarnicki | mentors: good quality proposals this year? :) |
| 07:04.23 | kai | so-so, like every year |
| 07:04.44 | kai | some really good ones, some really bad ones, the rest between that |
| 07:05.03 | thebolt | :) |
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| 07:05.53 | Arc | we actually received two duplicate proposals with the only thing different being the contact info and name |
| 07:06.08 | ihalip | hah |
| 07:06.09 | mkarnicki | Arc: xD |
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| 07:06.25 | Arc | if the title was different, it'd be one thing.. |
| 07:06.33 | kai | man, some features in perl seem to be designed just to annoy people used to other programming languages |
| 07:06.45 | Arc | kai: or drive people to Python |
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| 07:07.46 | kai | Arc: I wish. we need a couple of features the BioPerl has but BioPython lacks |
| 07:07.59 | kai | otherwise I'd have switched already |
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| 07:08.28 | mkarnicki | kai: perhaps another project idea for GSoC? :) |
| 07:08.30 | kai | but BioPython lacks an exporter for our main data format, that's kind of a show-stopper |
| 07:08.39 | mkarnicki | aha |
| 07:08.39 | kai | mkarnicki: this is $dayjob |
| 07:09.10 | mkarnicki | kai: i meant expanding on BioPython. no? |
| 07:09.37 | kai | hm, I'm not sure if they're participating |
| 07:09.49 | mkarnicki | ah, that may be the case. |
| 07:10.22 | Arc | i really wish openoffice didnt crash so much |
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| 07:10.27 | kai | I somehow doubt the features I'm missing will take three months to implement |
| 07:10.43 | mkarnicki | kai: you mean less? |
| 07:11.13 | mkarnicki | or perhaps more.. |
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| 07:11.37 | kai | less, I think |
| 07:11.44 | mkarnicki | I see. |
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| 07:12.07 | kai | I doubt it'd take more than a week to support the file format I need |
| 07:12.32 | kai | but I don't currently have a week to work on it |
| 07:12.33 | mkarnicki | right :D hahah. i suggested that before you wrote you only lack the file export :D sure sure |
| 07:12.54 | mkarnicki | nods |
| 07:13.18 | kai | for mentoring orgs, finding tasks that have the right scope for gsoc isn't easy |
| 07:13.22 | mkarnicki | kai: just of curiosity, what format u're talking about? |
| 07:13.33 | kai | the EMBL sequence format |
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| 07:13.42 | mkarnicki | i'll google that. |
| 07:13.49 | kai | it's very similar to the GenBank format BioPython already can handle |
| 07:14.09 | kai | I think the development version of BioPython already supports exporting to EMBL as well |
| 07:14.20 | mkarnicki | :) |
| 07:15.06 | mkarnicki | looks cool |
| 07:15.10 | kai | but I'm not going to rewrite existing stable functionality based on a moving target |
| 07:15.50 | kai | not with a couple of labs of people out there who'd kill me if I break their tools |
| 07:15.57 | qrng | What's BioPython? |
| 07:17.21 | mkarnicki | qrng: http://biopython.org/ |
| 07:21.52 | mkarnicki | off to another lecture |
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| 08:13.48 | x` | morning |
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| 08:21.18 | x` | any word on preliminary slots? |
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| 08:25.18 | |Kev| | x`: no, Carol sorts those out today. |
| 08:25.58 | kai | not that any org will tell you preliminary counts, anyway |
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| 08:26.58 | Chetan | y not? |
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| 08:28.21 | x` | thanks |Kev| |
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| 08:29.13 | x` | I'm pretty sure it's low for small organizations anyway, if it's proposal percentage based |
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| 08:29.58 | x` | Anyway ... I dreamt about writing an awesome comment to my proposal, and now I'm waiting for the question ... :) |
| 08:30.53 | kai | Chetan: your w and h keys seem to be broken |
| 08:31.06 | kai | Chetan: but to answer the question, why should we? |
| 08:31.21 | Chetan | Sorry.. |
| 08:31.25 | Snashaptak | any one knows when the slots are being announced for org ? |
| 08:31.30 | kai | final counts will be released when the accepted proposals are announced |
| 08:31.45 | kai | anything before that is speculation, and pointless |
| 08:31.45 | Snashaptak | @kai thanks! |
| 08:31.53 | Chetan | I meant |
| 08:31.59 | Chetan | its upto the orgs |
| 08:32.04 | Chetan | whether they want to reveal it or not... |
| 08:32.34 | Kosma | some do |
| 08:32.47 | Snashaptak | any more updates from GSoC ? |
| 08:32.51 | Kosma | as a part of encouraning people |
| 08:33.03 | kai | Kosma: huh? how would this encourage people? |
| 08:33.08 | Kosma | "We only have one slot, so you better make your proposal good" |
| 08:33.13 | Kosma | ;) |
| 08:33.17 | Snashaptak | :) |
| 08:34.02 | Snashaptak | it can also be other way round ! |
| 08:34.55 | Kosma | well, too bad for the candidate if he can't stand one bit of competition |
| 08:35.24 | Kosma | after all, cooperation and competition do play a role in open source |
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| 08:36.01 | Kosma | I've found a "code it or someone else will" approach somewhat motivating for open source programmers |
| 08:36.41 | Snashaptak | but it is disappointing to rejected after putting in that much of hard work |
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| 08:38.50 | Kosma | well, it's life, right? |
| 08:39.10 | BHSPitMonkey | life, like Kosma, is not without a sense of cruelty ;) |
| 08:39.32 | Kosma | if I don't get accepted, I'll treat it like a lesson |
| 08:40.13 | BHSPitMonkey | if I don't get accepted, I'll have turned down a job for nothing :D |
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| 08:40.50 | Kosma | so, you do treat SoC purely as a way to earn money? |
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| 08:41.32 | BHSPitMonkey | where did you get that? |
| 08:41.59 | Kosma | I might have misunderstood you |
| 08:42.05 | Kosma | sorry |
| 08:42.18 | Kosma | I have a natural tendency to drift off topic and start nonsensical discussions |
| 08:42.27 | BHSPitMonkey | the job I turned down pays more than GSoC :P |
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| 08:42.43 | Kosma | aah, so yes, I got you wrong |
| 08:42.47 | Kosma | I have a job too |
| 08:43.02 | BHSPitMonkey | full-time? |
| 08:43.07 | Kosma | and I won't turn it down until 26th May |
| 08:43.15 | Kosma | err, April |
| 08:43.21 | Kosma | 3/4 |
| 08:43.38 | Snashaptak | he you guys are full time employee ? |
| 08:43.56 | Kosma | full time sucks *and* pays worse than SoC |
| 08:44.01 | BHSPitMonkey | I have a 1/2-time job, but I had the chance to trade it for a nice full-time job in the same org. |
| 08:44.02 | Kosma | at least here |
| 08:44.23 | BHSPitMonkey | but they're filling the position this week, and I can't commit to it without knowing about GSoC acceptance |
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| 08:44.32 | BHSPitMonkey | oh well |
| 08:44.55 | Snashaptak | but the GSoC websites says that you should be a student to apply for GSoC |
| 08:45.12 | Snashaptak | so how come you are an employee ?? |
| 08:45.13 | jackle | hi admins. I had a doubt. I have been accepted into an US university. However my class start in August end. Am I eligible for GSoC? |
| 08:45.34 | BHSPitMonkey | Kosma: sorry to hear that (and sorry to hear about your nation's recent loss, now that you tempted me to look at whois) |
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| 08:46.21 | BHSPitMonkey | Snashaptak: I'm graduating next month, and some people work while they're in school |
| 08:46.29 | Kosma | Snashaptak: it's pretty common for student to work :) |
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| 08:46.45 | |Kev| | jackle: the dates on which you must be a student are listed in the FAQ. |
| 08:46.55 | Snashaptak | at least it is not like that here |
| 08:47.04 | Kosma | also, it's very easy to become student again once you graduate. |
| 08:47.16 | BHSPitMonkey | Snashaptak: in some places, we have tuition and bills to pay :) |
| 08:47.31 | Kosma | cheaper tickets *and* possibility of SoC, yay! |
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| 08:47.57 | Snashaptak | oh I thought we are the only one who have to pay for these ! :P |
| 08:48.27 | jackle | Kev:I saw that. . But is there a way in which one can delay the payment till he is enrolled? |
| 08:48.48 | |Kev| | jackle: no. You have to be eligible on the days listed. |
| 08:48.57 | |Kev| | Are you currently a student somewhere else? |
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| 08:51.22 | Mek | you don't have to be a student on the day listed, if you can prove that you have been accepted on that date to be a student that is good too |
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| 08:52.29 | jackle | I am waiting for the joining date |
| 08:52.29 | jackle | no |
| 08:53.04 | LawnGnome | jackle: As long as you're actually accepted and enrolled by April 26 (and have the appropriate paperwork -- ie a letter of acceptance from your university/college), then you should be OK, per http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#not_attending |
| 08:53.05 | jackle | Mek: are you sure ? Because i read a clause . Accepted students will be asked by Google to provide proof of enrollment after acceptance. |
| 08:53.59 | Mek | jackle: "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution" enrolled OR accepted |
| 08:54.23 | Mek | also, it later says "proof of enrollment or admission status" |
| 08:54.24 | jackle | LawnGnome: problem is I just have the acceptance letter. Enrollment procedures will be completed 1 month prior ro joining date. |
| 08:54.39 | Mek | so the acceptance letter shold be enough proof |
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| 08:54.47 | jackle | Mek: but As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 26, 2010 |
| 08:55.06 | LawnGnome | jackle: You will need to double check with carols, but my feeling is that you should be OK. |
| 08:55.15 | LawnGnome | It is a bit of a grey area in the FAQ, though. |
| 08:55.15 | jackle | confused me |
| 08:55.22 | BHSPitMonkey | Yeah, since you're already accepted it seems fine |
| 08:55.28 | |Kev| | Yes, I take it back after reading the FAQ - if you have proof that you are going to be enrolled, that seems to be enough. |
| 08:56.25 | jackle | can some moderator confirm this please |
| 08:57.27 | jackle | I won't be enrolled by April 26th.. but I have already been accepted and I have that proof |
| 08:57.43 | ojwb | jackle: there are no "moderators" here to confirm that |
| 08:57.55 | |Kev| | It's carols you want. Send her an email. |
| 08:57.59 | ojwb | carols can give you the correct answer |
| 08:58.17 | ojwb | but my understanding is that a letter saying you've been accepted from an accredited institution is ok |
| 08:58.55 | LawnGnome | Yeah, that's how I remember it working in past years, but I'm not quite going to swear to it since it's never directly affected me. |
| 08:58.55 | jackle | ojwb:ok thanks |
| 08:58.55 | jackle | just confused. I don't want to be blacklisted for next year :) |
| 08:59.03 | BHSPitMonkey | the FAQ says "enrolled in or accepted into" |
| 08:59.13 | danderson | proof of acceptance is fine |
| 08:59.45 | jackle | danderson:thanks |
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| 08:59.50 | jackle | thanks to all for confirming this |
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| 09:42.05 | annag_ | are there any people here who were mentors for some organization last year? |
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| 09:43.42 | ojwb | annag_: yes |
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| 10:17.06 | skbohra | greetings |
| 10:17.14 | Chetan | hi |
| 10:17.26 | skbohra | hey Chetan |
| 10:17.31 | skbohra | whats up |
| 10:18.26 | Chetan | not much.. |
| 10:18.33 | Chetan | college stuff.. |
| 10:18.40 | skbohra | ah |
| 10:19.09 | Chetan | hw abt u? |
| 10:19.41 | skbohra | Its just too hot, I am just trying to keep things cool ;) |
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| 10:20.46 | Gaurav___ | hello friends, just want to know about the number of applications for gsoc this year, if google published it? |
| 10:20.52 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 10:20.52 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 10:21.02 | Mitar | and last year? |
| 10:21.11 | ojwb | a different number |
| 10:21.21 | Gaurav___ | !numapps |
| 10:21.21 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 10:21.32 | ojwb | more like 7000 IIRC, but the google open source blog will tell you |
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| 10:21.45 | Gaurav___ | and number of slots ? |
| 10:21.55 | skbohra | no one knows |
| 10:21.59 | ojwb | 1000 apparently |
| 10:22.19 | skbohra | so chances of my getting in is.. |
| 10:22.36 | ihalip | 1/5539 :) |
| 10:22.47 | skbohra | i submitted to 2 apps :D |
| 10:22.56 | ojwb | skatteola: actually, the faq answers exactly that question |
| 10:23.26 | ojwb | well, unless you managed to be exactly average, you can't just divide to work it out |
| 10:23.50 | Ivanovic | in fact your chance is definitely not done by division |
| 10:24.06 | Gaurav___ | !numapps |
| 10:24.06 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 10:24.06 | Ivanovic | since there is nothing connected to fair dice rolls and the likes |
| 10:24.19 | Ivanovic | ojwb: uhm, in fact "average application" tends to mean "not in" |
| 10:24.20 | skbohra | Gaurav___: ^_^ |
| 10:24.22 | ojwb | Gaurav___: please don't keep asking for the same factoid |
| 10:24.30 | ojwb | it won't change every few minutes |
| 10:24.34 | skbohra | :D |
| 10:25.04 | ojwb | Ivanovic: well, 0 / 5539 would give that |
| 10:25.09 | ojwb | but true |
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| 10:25.50 | Ivanovic | though "really good application, the knowledge required and good communication with the org" does result in a chance of "close to 1" for being accepted |
| 10:26.08 | Gaurav___ | ojwb: sorry it was just a mistake |
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| 10:27.22 | skbohra | I am just told to have patience :) I was like over excited |
| 10:28.03 | Ivanovic | currently a student should have a look at the comments their proposal gets from the mentors and org admins |
| 10:28.19 | Ivanovic | and of course keep communicating with the orgs and improve the proposal according to the comments |
| 10:29.12 | skbohra | True |
| 10:29.31 | ojwb | if you haven't already, make sure you can check out and build their code |
| 10:29.41 | Ivanovic | and yes, students not reacting at all when there are comments reduce their chance to get in |
| 10:29.42 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:30.08 | Ivanovic | in general: applying common sense does increase your chance to get accepted |
| 10:30.30 | aghisla | true :) |
| 10:30.34 | Ivanovic | that is: common sense should tell a student that the devs of the project got an idea what the project might be about and thus the comments might be very relevant |
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| 10:32.07 | ihalip | i haven't had a single comment yet, and i'm getting worried |
| 10:32.28 | skbohra | I am just waiting for comments, I am not sure , how many slots the org gets, my chances depends on that , to be honest |
| 10:33.01 | ihalip | i was told by the mentor that everything's ok, but i don't know if that is a good thing (as in everything is well exaplained and clear) or a bad thing (as in not too many people actually saw it) |
| 10:33.12 | Ivanovic | ihalip, skbohra: instead of plain waiting you could talk to the org directly and ask how to improve your proposal and if there is anything you could do |
| 10:33.18 | Ivanovic | (hint: patches are always welcome!) |
| 10:33.56 | Ivanovic | that is: patches to the projects code base have two good sides: |
| 10:34.03 | Ivanovic | 1) you show that you are able to code |
| 10:34.19 | Ivanovic | 2) the people in the project see that you are able to get into their codebase |
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| 10:41.21 | thebolt | Ivanovic: common sense is pretty.. uncommon ;) |
| 10:41.44 | Ivanovic | thebolt: yes, this really helps when selecting students |
| 10:41.50 | Ivanovic | since the number of those with common sense... |
| 10:41.52 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:42.22 | thebolt | :P |
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| 10:47.22 | enthus | Hi all.. On which date the orgs comes to know, how many slots they are going to get?? |
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| 10:51.03 | carols | enthus: the initial slot allocations are given out at the end of the day today |
| 10:51.16 | carols | enthus: i'm working on them now |
| 10:52.13 | enthus | carols: ok.. thank you for your reply ;) |
| 10:52.20 | carols | yw |
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| 10:53.00 | aghisla | yay! |
| 10:53.54 | skbohra | w00t |
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| 11:25.58 | qrng | Good morning, my lovely pumpkins! |
| 11:26.33 | ksinkar | good morning haloween |
| 11:28.00 | qrng | Anyhoo, it seems that this waiting athmosphere is a little bit depressing. |
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| 11:28.16 | skbohra | qrng: nah, we are enjoying it |
| 11:28.21 | aghisla | yup |
| 11:28.32 | qrng | Seems like this. :-] |
| 11:28.36 | aghisla | there's a lot to do while waiting |
| 11:28.53 | qrng | For example? |
| 11:29.19 | aghisla | getting involved into your chosen org's activities? |
| 11:29.19 | adimania | talk to the org mentors |
| 11:29.33 | aghisla | tweak your linux installation? |
| 11:29.39 | |Kev| | Write a patch. |
| 11:29.40 | skbohra | do some trekking |
| 11:29.43 | adimania | ask them what you can do. Try to show what you know. |
| 11:29.46 | skbohra | and relax :) |
| 11:29.56 | |Kev| | I can think of nothing more likely to help an application than having submitted a good patch for an open issue. |
| 11:29.57 | qrng | Done, done, done, done, done. |
| 11:30.02 | qrng | Been there, done that. |
| 11:30.07 | |Kev| | Write more patches :D |
| 11:30.09 | aghisla | so relax! |
| 11:30.26 | aghisla | study a bit? |
| 11:30.42 | qrng | And, frankly, you can 'tweak' your Linux installation only so many times before it gets awfully dull. |
| 11:30.48 | aghisla | enjoys the no-more-exams slice of life |
| 11:31.08 | aghisla | oh |
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| 11:31.13 | aghisla | you can write tests! |
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| 11:31.20 | thebolt | aghisla: me too :) or at least not until next winter or so.. |
| 11:31.22 | qrng | is giving birth to an article on isosurface area computation. |
| 11:34.06 | qrng | |Kev|: I think that substantial body of draft code (and documentation!) is even better recommendation. |
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| 11:37.16 | carols | skbohra, |Kev| : do either of you ever sleep? seems like you are up when im in the pacific timezone *and* you're up when i'm in the .nl timezone :-) |
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| 11:37.28 | yonij | hai |
| 11:37.40 | skbohra | carols: hehe , I do :D |
| 11:37.48 | |Kev| | carols: I do 8 hour work days, then typically ~=8 hours on OSS stuff. So I sleep, but not as much as I'd like. |
| 11:37.55 | carols | skbohra: ok, i'll take your word on that :-) |
| 11:38.17 | carols | |Kev|: ah, i see. that sounds like what i'd expect |
| 11:38.45 | yonij | I applied for student mailing list...do i need to do anything after that? |
| 11:39.03 | skbohra | wait to get selected in gsoc :) |
| 11:39.09 | yonij | k |
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| 11:40.23 | kai | carols: hey there |
| 11:40.32 | kai | carols: pm? |
| 11:40.32 | carols | kai: hey there |
| 11:40.35 | carols | yep |
| 11:42.03 | skbohra | carols: i sent you an email |
| 11:42.32 | |Kev| | carols: I'm finding this 'all mentors by today' thing quite odd, so I hope we've done the right thing, and apologise if not. |
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| 11:42.54 | qrng | Who does the selection? |
| 11:43.08 | carols | skbohra: cool, ill check, thanks |
| 11:43.30 | carols | |Kev|: no worries. it will all come out in the wash. this is why i review each orgs' allocations by hand :-) |
| 11:43.55 | |Kev| | Well, you know where I am if the XSF screwed up. |
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| 11:45.22 | carols | |Kev|: will do. im working on numbers now |
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| 11:54.39 | yonij | silence |
| 11:55.05 | yonij | followed by more silence |
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| 11:55.33 | _Samo | with GSoC adminds send us a e-mail when the first pre assignment of slots is done? |
| 11:55.45 | |Kev| | _Samo: is 'us' students or mentors? |
| 11:55.46 | kai | you could write a script to ask "are we there yet?" every five minutes |
| 11:55.56 | kai | then I could mute you |
| 11:55.59 | _Samo | * or a notification |
| 11:56.18 | kai | |Kev|: _Samo is an admin |
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| 11:56.22 | |Kev| | kai: XMPP: The Definitive Guide, Chapter 8, Page 95 ;) |
| 11:56.29 | |Kev| | ("Are we there yet?") |
| 11:56.44 | kai | !when |
| 11:56.44 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 11:56.46 | _Samo | yes I'm an admin |
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| 11:57.07 | ojwb | _Samo: last year provisional numbers went to the mentors list |
| 11:57.57 | _Samo | ojwb, do you mean mailing list? |
| 11:58.10 | ojwb | yes |
| 11:58.21 | _Samo | ok |
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| 12:01.15 | JanisB_127115436 | When stats about accepted/total application/applicant count will be published? After 26th? |
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| 12:03.05 | yonij | some one ws saying it was around 5500 yesterday |
| 12:03.18 | yonij | total applications |
| 12:03.42 | skbohra | !numapps |
| 12:03.42 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 12:03.50 | JanisB | less than in previous years... |
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| 12:04.01 | skbohra | JanisB: ^ |
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| 12:06.18 | Arc | well every year I can remember the deadline was extended, and a good % of the apps were submitted during the extended deadline |
| 12:06.21 | |Kev| | If our applications are anything to go by, fewer but much higher quality. |
| 12:06.30 | Arc | ditto, |Kev| |
| 12:06.52 | Ian_Corne | how is it determined how many students in total get accepted? |
| 12:06.59 | JanisB | Arc, yea, but not this year... |
| 12:07.08 | Arc | yep. |
| 12:07.38 | Arc | honestly, most (but not all) of the proposals ive seen submitted after the deadline were crap anyway |
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| 12:08.32 | |Kev| | Arc: I'd actually be vaguely interested to know what proportion of successful projects were submitted before/after the deadline in previous years. |
| 12:08.53 | Arc | that'd be a good statistic to have |
| 12:09.07 | Arc | ive been trying to increase my statistics gathering overall |
| 12:09.12 | _Samo | Arc, we 've have found that those final proposals were crap as well, made by people with very strong curriculum |
| 12:09.19 | _Samo | s |
| 12:10.05 | Arc | this year we're tracking native language, timezone, country, and how matching that with their mentor effects success |
| 12:10.10 | Arc | (we == python) |
| 12:10.29 | |Kev| | Sounds smart. |
| 12:10.43 | qrng | And as I imagine, selection will be done by mentoring organisations? |
| 12:10.44 | |Kev| | I can't honestly say we do anything like that. |
| 12:11.01 | Arc | you should see my spreadsheets |
| 12:11.04 | |Kev| | Although we do tend to try and work out why projects failed, and adapt next time, that's about it. |
| 12:11.06 | Arc | they've become insane |
| 12:11.25 | qrng | Use a DB. |
| 12:11.27 | Arc | we have 74 applicants and as many mentors |
| 12:11.39 | |Kev| | Blimey. |
| 12:12.04 | |Kev| | How many slots have you had in the past? |
| 12:12.27 | Arc | at most 45, at least 30, generally in that range |
| 12:12.33 | |Kev| | Ah, ok. |
| 12:12.37 | Arc | 74 is the fewest number of applications we've ever received |
| 12:12.43 | |Kev| | By how much? |
| 12:12.55 | Arc | last year we had 112, one year we had over 200 |
| 12:12.58 | |Kev| | (I'm wondering how your good proposal:slot ratio compares to ours) |
| 12:13.13 | Arc | i think we actually have more good proposals than last year |
| 12:13.16 | |Kev| | Similar then, probably. |
| 12:14.01 | |Kev| | Yeah, we've only got 18 applications this year. |
| 12:14.04 | Arc | keep in mind Python is an umbrella org. one of our functions is to let lots of smaller orgs work in summer of code without adding to google's burden |
| 12:14.41 | |Kev| | But then, all bar 2 of those deserve consideration, and at least a half dozen (number of slots we've requested) are rather strong. |
| 12:15.04 | |Kev| | Yes, the XSF is an umbrella org too - and a bit stranger than Python :) |
| 12:15.16 | Arc | oh wait, |Kev| |
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| 12:15.31 | Arc | duh. ok. |
| 12:15.36 | Arc | I'm a member of xsf |
| 12:15.48 | |Kev| | Yes, I'd suspected it was you. |
| 12:16.11 | Arc | you're up for reelection this quarter too, rigth? |
| 12:16.19 | |Kev| | Indeed. |
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| 12:17.11 | Arc | yea I just read yours last night |
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| 12:18.49 | |Kev| | I think this year was my biggest update for a few years. |
| 12:19.04 | |Kev| | I'd been using the same application for a few years before that. |
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| 12:20.48 | Arc | damned I need sleep. but now the crazy "every man is a potential child molester" women chaperoning a bunch of teenage girls downstairs from the hack space are up and running around crazy, and im not in a mood for another confrontation |
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| 12:21.42 | kai | ah, gotta love sexism |
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| 12:21.51 | Arc | they're guests, in the church that we rent an office from, and they were chasing us around yelling at us to leave through the fire escape and blocking the front doors because one of us could molest one of the girls on the way out |
| 12:22.15 | Kosma | lol |
| 12:22.22 | qrng | o_O |
| 12:22.26 | qrng | Tell 'em you are gay. |
| 12:22.38 | Kosma | qrng: +1 |
| 12:23.08 | Arc | it was seriously insane. the president of hacdc called the woman "creepy" to her face and explained their actions as illegal (blocking fire exits), that they are free to stay as guests but only so long as they dont interfere with renters like ourselves |
| 12:23.12 | kai | qrng: and have they church kick them out instead? most churches I know have a problem with homosexuals |
| 12:23.22 | aghisla | =_=' |
| 12:24.00 | Arc | the problem with that is crazy religious people who are paranoid of men molesting little girls often belive gay men are *more* prone to rape girls |
| 12:24.03 | Arc | is gay. |
| 12:24.05 | Chainsaw | qrng: This is true, they'd just send him off to "straight camp" instead. |
| 12:24.24 | qrng | It is curious how people who claim to aspire for heavenly things think so much about netherly issues. |
| 12:24.24 | Kosma | Arc: where do you live? |
| 12:24.29 | qrng | yawns. |
| 12:24.30 | Arc | washington, dc |
| 12:24.49 | Kosma | I'm left breathless |
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| 12:25.11 | Kosma | I live in Poland and haven't in my entire life seen such religious paranoia |
| 12:25.23 | kai | Arc: well, crazy people are just that. crazy. it's just that often being religious about it seems to be an excuse |
| 12:25.28 | Arc | I'm also a quaker, and one of the people who sometimes help with locking up/unlocking our meeting house with groups staying there much like this, so this whole situation is especially crazy. ive never seen guests of a church act like this |
| 12:25.50 | qrng | Ah, yes. :-D And Poland is FAMOUS for being the Virgin's Land. :-D |
| 12:26.03 | Chainsaw | Arc: Worth checking to see whether they're more of a sect then a church. |
| 12:26.13 | Kosma | qrng: I plan to use the SoC money to escape to Prague |
| 12:26.23 | qrng | Good plan! |
| 12:26.38 | kai | Kosma: well, I've heard about some Radio Maria broadcasts that seem to be on a similar line |
| 12:26.50 | Kosma | atheists live there! almost 60%! |
| 12:26.52 | Kosma | hahaha |
| 12:26.57 | Arc | well this group of crazy women are not locals, they're traveling here with a bunch of teenage girls from another state likely here to tour the national monuments/etc |
| 12:26.57 | Kosma | is it *that* famous? |
| 12:27.08 | Arc | likely just parents as chaperones |
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| 12:27.16 | qrng | Actually, I've never seen so many churches of various sizes and shapes than at those times when I went through Poland, be it from Warshava to Slovakia or from Warshava to Poznane. |
| 12:27.46 | kai | Kosma: I've got a lot of polish relatives |
| 12:28.15 | qrng | It always leaves me wondering: do those people have some crisis with creativity and have no idea what to do with money? |
| 12:28.45 | kai | qrng: money as in gsoc money or money in general? |
| 12:28.56 | qrng | Money in general. |
| 12:29.04 | qrng | Building churches cost, too, you know. |
| 12:29.24 | Kosma | I have exactly no crisis in creativity. I plan to go to Prague and drink for months. |
| 12:29.25 | kai | that's why there's so many small churchs |
| 12:29.35 | kai | churches, dammit |
| 12:29.44 | Kosma | well, there's *always* money for building/repairing churches |
| 12:29.56 | qrng | In Poland, that is. |
| 12:30.02 | Arc | a lot of people find value in religious community |
| 12:30.04 | Kosma | but globally, well |
| 12:30.15 | Kosma | when you can buy practically everything you want, money becomes meaningless |
| 12:30.24 | Kosma | I kinda enjoy not being rich |
| 12:30.32 | aghisla | thinks of the effort of Vikings for building proper churches in Greenland |
| 12:30.49 | aghisla | Kosma++ |
| 12:30.50 | kai | qrng: well, decades of being the pope's home country seems to make a difference |
| 12:31.03 | qrng | Aptly said. |
| 12:31.41 | kai | Kosma: well, you could use the to start your own linux distro ;) |
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| 12:31.45 | Kosma | there's one sure thing about churches: they shall not be made of wood |
| 12:31.47 | kai | man |
| 12:31.54 | kai | reloads his spell checker |
| 12:32.16 | kai | Kosma: there's some churches in poland that are made of wood |
| 12:32.19 | qrng | Kosma: And be bigger than a barn! |
| 12:33.19 | qrng | By the way, sincere condolences. |
| 12:33.33 | Kosma | to be honest, I have mixed feelings about the plane crash |
| 12:34.03 | Kosma | I feel sorry about all the people who died, but the president wasn't very popular |
| 12:34.10 | qrng | Nevertheless, all victims were the political elite and this does not add much to the general stability of the country. |
| 12:34.13 | Kosma | and suddenly, when he died, everyone claims he was a wonderful man |
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| 12:34.26 | qrng | And as the old adage says, running from a wolf you can always encounter a bear. |
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| 12:35.40 | Kosma | 'bout the wooden churches |
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| 12:36.15 | kai | Kosma: yeah, of course he's wonderful now that he's dead. he's not in anybody's way anymore and it's a very patriotic thing to say about your ex-president |
| 12:36.16 | Kosma | they burn just like witches (made of wood too!) |
| 12:36.21 | qrng | Wooden churches are mostly those older churches that left standing by a whim of some miracle since, umm... since like WWII. |
| 12:37.08 | Kosma | yeah |
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| 12:37.26 | kai | Kosma: and it gives you better press than saying "man, I'm glad that guy's dead" |
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| 12:37.54 | qrng | kai: His twin isn't much better. |
| 12:38.01 | Kosma | kai: it depends; some anti-presidental newspapers are not praising him |
| 12:38.33 | kai | qrng: but his twin was kicked out of the gouvernment, iirc |
| 12:38.36 | Kosma | there's a lot of critique, but to be honest, we still can't completely believe what has happened |
| 12:38.41 | kai | so he's out of the way, too |
| 12:38.42 | aghisla | there is a form of superstition that prevents most people from criticise a dead person |
| 12:39.03 | Kosma | well. he was a great man and a terrible president |
| 12:39.38 | qrng | kai: IIRC, he is a prime minister, so I don't see how this could be equated with being 'kicked out of the government', no? |
| 12:39.44 | Kosma | Jaroslaw Kaczynski is still ruling is party |
| 12:40.00 | Kosma | he's not the prime minister anymore, Donald Tusk is |
| 12:40.06 | qrng | Ah. |
| 12:40.28 | kai | qrng: ok, I didn't follow that closely, I just knew he wasn't prime minister anymore |
| 12:40.38 | Kosma | but after the president's death, there's much uncertainty whether the party will survive at all |
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| 12:41.10 | Kosma | it's too early to be sure |
| 12:41.26 | kai | Kosma: no big loss, speaking as somebody who thinks that poland should move closer to the EU not further away :) |
| 12:41.54 | Kosma | kai: I don't know what to think about EU, really |
| 12:42.08 | Kosma | everything has a price |
| 12:42.38 | Kosma | the EU regulations passed in Poland this year prohibit using open fire in public places |
| 12:42.43 | qrng | Actually, I liked the reign of those two brothers and all the scandals. :-D The most hilarious was when some minister at the time demanded for the experts' opinion whether those silly teletubbies are not spreading 'deviation' among children. :-D |
| 12:43.08 | Kosma | qrng: it's funny when it doesn't affect you |
| 12:43.09 | Kosma | :D |
| 12:43.16 | kai | qrng: that was fun... from far away |
| 12:43.23 | qrng | Yeah. :-D |
| 12:43.38 | Kosma | well, the Teletubbies thing was funny for us, too |
| 12:43.48 | Kosma | but it's also scary to think that those people rule the country |
| 12:44.13 | kai | Kosma: hey, most of the regulations may be implemented in a way that actually makes sense.. not that many national electives choose to do so |
| 12:44.21 | Kosma | kai: that's the problem |
| 12:44.35 | Kosma | Polish laws are completely absurd |
| 12:44.41 | qrng | Cheap and easy political dividends from all those menopausal old prudes that go to churches every day. |
| 12:44.45 | Kosma | they are counter-intuitive and unapplicable in real life |
| 12:44.47 | qrng | That's very practical. |
| 12:45.08 | kai | qrng: I also had a good laugh about that foreign minister of that time, who had been out of poland once before in his life |
| 12:45.09 | Kosma | qrng: they will die, eventually. |
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| 12:45.25 | aghisla | Kosma: also in italy |
| 12:45.37 | kai | aghisla: poland is the italy of eastern europe |
| 12:45.38 | aghisla | laws are weird and unapplicable, i mean |
| 12:45.51 | Kosma | kai: which one? |
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| 12:46.04 | kai | aghisla: both in catholicism and driving style |
| 12:46.19 | Kosma | kai: we don't drive that bad! |
| 12:46.21 | kai | food's different, at least |
| 12:46.26 | qrng | Italy is a whole different opera, when I was in Sicily I heard a lot of interesting stories how that part of the country is *actually* run. |
| 12:46.29 | aghisla | i've been in south africa and heard in the news about some berlusconi's joke |
| 12:46.43 | aghisla | disappointing |
| 12:47.01 | kai | Kosma: you need to be very religious to drive cross country |
| 12:47.15 | aghisla | italy has lot of great sides and others completely mad. |
| 12:47.22 | Kosma | kai: err... what? ;) |
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| 12:47.26 | qrng | nods vigorously. |
| 12:47.47 | kai | Kosma: or is there a polish law that only allows you to pass other cars in places where it's impossible to see if there's oncoming traffic? |
| 12:47.49 | qrng | Great food, great climate, great people, lots of laughs. |
| 12:48.14 | Kosma | kai: yes. you're not allowed to cross the dashed line :D:D |
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| 12:48.22 | Kosma | double straight line is OK |
| 12:48.28 | Kosma | also, red lights are a suggestion |
| 12:48.30 | kai | Kosma: yeah, that was my impression |
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| 12:49.05 | aghisla | hahaha |
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| 12:49.20 | Kosma | recently some dumbass started putting those poles on the road |
| 12:49.21 | Kosma | http://www.kosma.pl/tmp/wtf.jpg |
| 12:49.28 | qrng | Kosma: this law makes a lot of sense once you see the road to Warshava, where they use a 2 lane road as a 4 lane road and there is a heavy long-range truck traffic to boot. |
| 12:49.29 | Kosma | so we have to illegally cross the dashed line! |
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| 12:50.11 | Kosma | but really, the driving style varies greatly |
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| 12:50.26 | Kosma | in western cities drivers are very polite |
| 12:50.39 | Kosma | in central Poland (Warsaw etc) they drive like mad |
| 12:50.46 | qrng | Nevertheless, I finally understood why I was fined. |
| 12:50.51 | kai | Kosma: highways are fine, but the countryside roads from Zgorzelec to Wrocław was pretty bad |
| 12:51.08 | Kosma | and on the east there are much less cars and many drivers have no idea how to drive |
| 12:51.17 | Kosma | kai: no longer :) |
| 12:51.21 | Kosma | by the way, I live in Wrocław :) |
| 12:51.35 | Kosma | a new highway has been built |
| 12:51.37 | kai | Kosma: yeah, now that the highway is done, life is good |
| 12:51.43 | qrng | So returning from Slovakia I crossed the dashed line and imagine my surprise when I got stopped by the police, who tried in broken Russian to explain that I did some kind of "narushenija". |
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| 12:52.23 | aghisla | :o |
| 12:52.24 | kai | Kosma: but those poles look like an invitation for drives to slalom :) |
| 12:52.38 | aghisla | what's a dashed line for then?? |
| 12:52.46 | qrng | Precisely my question. |
| 12:52.50 | Kosma | aghisla: confusion, mostly. |
| 12:53.01 | qrng | Nevertheless, I gave them 50 euros and was again well on my way home. |
| 12:53.04 | Kosma | by the way, is "narushenya" Russian at all? |
| 12:53.09 | aghisla | :/! |
| 12:53.38 | Kosma | sounds pretty weird |
| 12:53.42 | kai | aghisla: it's the long stretch where you get to drive up close to the other car in front of you in preparation for passing it on the next turn of the road |
| 12:53.54 | aghisla | HAHA |
| 12:53.56 | Kosma | lol |
| 12:54.00 | Kosma | I like the explanation |
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| 12:54.25 | Kosma | by the way, the double straight line also double-serves as a separate driveway for motorcyclists :) |
| 12:54.39 | kai | right, who now get to slalom around the poles as well |
| 12:54.51 | aghisla | and I thought italians were the craziest drivers! |
| 12:54.59 | Kosma | aghisla: they are |
| 12:55.08 | Kosma | aghisla: I visited Italy once and was astonished |
| 12:55.20 | kai | aghisla: it's on par, I think, not counting italian taxi drivers and motorcyclists |
| 12:55.24 | Kosma | compared to Italian drivers, Polish ones drive very safely :) |
| 12:55.27 | aghisla | :D |
| 12:55.29 | Kosma | kai: yeah |
| 12:55.57 | Kosma | but seriously, it's not that bad. Poland really went a long way since joining EU |
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| 12:56.11 | kai | aghisla: I actually blame the similarity of driving style to the fact that they were driving fiats for a long time |
| 12:56.23 | kai | they = the polish |
| 12:56.33 | qrng | Aha, the anecdotal evidence suggest that italian taxi drivers rush through the red light at all times and stop at the green light. When asked why did he stop, he answered: "it is not only I who drive so cleverly!" |
| 12:56.44 | qrng | *suggests |
| 12:56.50 | Kosma | :D |
| 12:56.52 | kai | hehe |
| 12:56.54 | thebolt | haha |
| 12:57.02 | aghisla | lol |
| 12:57.30 | Kosma | in the north-east region of Poland there is a different assumption |
| 12:57.46 | Kosma | the faster you drive through the intersection, the less time you spend on it |
| 12:57.55 | Kosma | = less chance for a crash :D |
| 12:57.56 | aghisla | :D :D |
| 12:58.05 | Kosma | works, somehow |
| 12:58.13 | thebolt | Kosma: sin't that a general idea for all driving? :) |
| 12:58.23 | Kosma | thebolt: makes sense :) |
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| 13:00.20 | thebolt | Kosma: only if accident risk is a linear function of time ;) |
| 13:00.27 | thebolt | (linear or sublinear) |
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| 13:00.55 | thebolt | hm, function of speed rather |
| 13:00.59 | ksinkar | check out the bathtub curve |
| 13:01.05 | ksinkar | if you want to know about accident risk |
| 13:01.11 | Kosma | or the Ballmer Peak :D |
| 13:01.25 | ksinkar | btw |
| 13:01.27 | Kosma | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 13:01.35 | Kosma | if you've not heard bout it before |
| 13:01.44 | ksinkar | should i expect organizations to which i have applied to contact me? |
| 13:02.06 | Kosma | ksinkar: I received one comment on my proposal so far |
| 13:02.16 | Kosma | this varies by the org, probably |
| 13:02.24 | Kosma | have you approached them on the IRC, etc? |
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| 13:03.25 | ksinkar | no |
| 13:03.41 | Kosma | then you really should |
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| 13:03.50 | ksinkar | aghisla: were u ever contacted by osgeo for queries when you applied last year? |
| 13:04.06 | kai | yeah, what Kosma said. if you want feedback, ask your orgs |
| 13:04.07 | ksinkar | i would like to very much contact my possible mentors |
| 13:04.15 | aghisla | i was already in contact with the project, long before soc |
| 13:04.16 | ksinkar | but i dont know how to approach them |
| 13:04.19 | ksinkar | as in |
| 13:04.21 | kai | irc? |
| 13:04.22 | ksinkar | what should i say |
| 13:04.34 | aghisla | ksinkar: ask on #osgeo |
| 13:04.38 | ksinkar | "Hello mentors please give me your comments on irc" |
| 13:04.44 | ksinkar | sorry |
| 13:04.47 | aghisla | or on the chat of your project |
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| 13:05.04 | Kosma | or mailing list, or whatever |
| 13:05.07 | ksinkar | i dont know the protocol or rather the ettiquete required |
| 13:05.11 | ksinkar | what should i ask |
| 13:05.22 | Kosma | enter the channel |
| 13:05.27 | Kosma | watch for a few hours |
| 13:05.29 | Kosma | and you'll know |
| 13:05.33 | kai | ksinkar: just say hi and ask your question |
| 13:05.33 | ksinkar | ok |
| 13:05.41 | Kosma | generally, /msg-ing people is considered a bad idea |
| 13:05.49 | kai | and don't ask if you can ask a question |
| 13:05.52 | Kosma | (without their permission) |
| 13:05.56 | Kosma | kai: yes yes! that! |
| 13:05.56 | kai | that drives me nuts at least |
| 13:06.00 | Kosma | don't ask if you can ask a question |
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| 13:06.29 | ksinkar | ok |
| 13:06.42 | ksinkar | i am trying that right now |
| 13:06.47 | nmudgal | Nowadays gsoc teaching how to use irc channels uhmm impressive ! |
| 13:06.49 | ksinkar | will keep u psted |
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| 13:10.18 | qrng | Aha. Somebody joins a channel and spouts immediately: "May I ask a question?" |
| 13:10.33 | qrng | Good Lord, if you have questions, simply ask and you will be answered. |
| 13:12.48 | aghisla | if you're just impatient, take a deep breath/start coding/go out for a run.. |
| 13:13.02 | lut4rp | listen to music |
| 13:13.03 | aghisla | nothing can be done to speed up gsoc selection |
| 13:13.03 | lut4rp | :) |
| 13:13.11 | aghisla | lut4rp: too! |
| 13:13.26 | lut4rp | listens to My Chemical Romance |
| 13:14.11 | lut4rp | ohey, folks around San Francisco, is there a GSoC meetup or some kind of event during 16-23rd by any chance? |
| 13:14.24 | lut4rp | will be there for DrupalCon |
| 13:14.25 | qrng | And, frankly, there is a reason why a job done in haste is called a 'lousy job'. |
| 13:14.55 | kai | !later |
| 13:14.55 | socinfo | "later" is successful. Announcement of accepted proposals delayed by another minute. |
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| 13:22.49 | yonij | !numapps |
| 13:22.49 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 13:23.09 | sanjoyd | Interesting. |
| 13:24.15 | yonij | way less than last tme...but mentors feel wat ever they have got are quality ones |
| 13:28.36 | lut4rp | it is lesser because the deadline wasn't extended this year |
| 13:28.45 | lut4rp | the people who *really* wanted to put in proposals did. |
| 13:28.55 | lut4rp | erm, should've been "proposals, did." |
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| 13:34.24 | qrng | I am not a fan of stretching deadlines (time's not rubber after all), too, so Google's policy is very understandable. |
| 13:35.01 | qrng | And, besides, your typical student's behaviour to do everything the last moment is really irksome. |
| 13:35.36 | Kosma | googles 'irksome' |
| 13:35.51 | lut4rp | irritating :) |
| 13:35.55 | Ian_Corne | inducing irkness! |
| 13:36.12 | Kosma | being irky? |
| 13:36.16 | lut4rp | swears at J2ME apps >:O |
| 13:36.23 | Kosma | lut4rp: are they irksome? |
| 13:36.25 | Kosma | :D |
| 13:36.55 | lut4rp | Kosma, most certainly |
| 13:36.57 | lut4rp | :p |
| 13:37.14 | lut4rp | "#gsoc - now helping you with vocabulary!" |
| 13:37.24 | Kosma | this place is *so* social |
| 13:37.31 | lut4rp | all I want is a shopping list app :/ |
| 13:37.50 | lut4rp | contemplates writing one himself and the procrastination that is likely to result in |
| 13:38.02 | aghisla | lol |
| 13:38.07 | Kosma | hah |
| 13:38.49 | Kosma | I just got enlightened |
| 13:38.49 | Kosma | that's why programmers love to create problems! |
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| 13:38.50 | Kosma | so that they can procrastinate instead of solving them ;) |
| 13:39.02 | yonij | Is it true that the slots will be assigned today? |
| 13:39.36 | lut4rp | Mars is bright tonight. |
| 13:39.40 | qrng | lut4rp: lackadaisical attitude does not work, working works. :-D |
| 13:39.54 | qrng | So procrastination is not an option. |
| 13:40.01 | Kosma | googles |
| 13:40.01 | lut4rp | :D |
| 13:40.20 | qrng | chortles. |
| 13:40.23 | Kosma | lackadaisical (comparative more lackadaisical, superlative most lackadaisical) |
| 13:40.23 | Kosma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.25 | aghisla | Kosma++ |
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| 13:40.47 | Kosma | qrng: but yes, it's the working that works |
| 13:40.54 | lut4rp | aghisla, it is painful to code on S60 |
| 13:41.07 | Kosma | I have a motivational article about that, but it's well... slightly explicit and/or offensive |
| 13:41.12 | lut4rp | maybe this is the time I tried out that pys60 project for good. |
| 13:41.16 | lut4rp | hrm. |
| 13:41.51 | aghisla | lut4rp: i can't envy you :P |
| 13:41.56 | qrng | Kosma: I am pretty sure that most of us are not afflicted by this 'political correctness' virus. |
| 13:42.01 | Kosma | http://mm.soldat.pl/?p=493 |
| 13:42.06 | Kosma | qrng: +2 |
| 13:42.20 | lut4rp | aghisla, :) |
| 13:42.25 | lut4rp | goes out for a while |
| 13:43.54 | yonij | Is it true that the slots will be assigned today? ? |
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| 13:44.17 | aghisla | yonij! |
| 13:44.44 | aghisla | please, all students, wait for the announcement day like *christmas* |
| 13:45.07 | J3RL3 | be patience :-) |
| 13:45.10 | yonij | :) |
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| 13:45.16 | aghisla | santa doesn't come earlier than usual :D |
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| 13:46.10 | carols | yonij: yes, i am sending out initial allocations today, but there will still be changes. |
| 13:46.20 | yonij | cool |
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| 13:47.50 | bawr | carols: Any fixed direction of those changes? |
| 13:47.57 | bawr | Or can it go down or up? |
| 13:48.04 | smtms | both |
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| 13:48.15 | smtms | if one org looses a slot, it goes to another org |
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| 13:48.20 | smtms | s/looses/loses/ |
| 13:48.32 | carols | bawr: well, that's up to the orgs. :-) if everyone's happy with their initial allocations, then no changes will be made. but i assume some orgs will want more slots or to give up slots |
| 13:48.49 | bawr | Ahh. Roger. |
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| 13:49.24 | YuviPanda | carols: probably for the 100th time you were asked, but on what basis are slots alloted? |
| 13:49.56 | carols | YuviPanda: 1) popularity of the orgs 2) desired slots 3) assigned mentors 4) chris' opinion :-) |
| 13:49.58 | bawr | Klingon blood rituals. |
| 13:50.14 | danderson | yup, Klingon blood rituals |
| 13:50.32 | jasebo_at_home | I thought Klingon blood rituals might be involved, but I didn't want to be the first to say it :-) |
| 13:50.33 | carols | yup |
| 13:50.36 | aghisla | dice |
| 13:50.43 | YuviPanda | can't we just do it the human way and get everyone on IRC to vote? :P |
| 13:50.50 | danderson | no. |
| 13:51.07 | danderson | first of all, this is not a democracy |
| 13:51.09 | bawr | Democracy? Khah. |
| 13:51.14 | anth_x | org that can field the most bots wins? |
| 13:51.22 | danderson | second, there's enough drama going on on IRC without voting and politics, tyvm |
| 13:51.23 | YuviPanda | </sarcasm> |
| 13:51.26 | jasebo_at_home | robot wars for gsoc allocations? |
| 13:51.36 | YuviPanda | okay, that wasn't sarcasm |
| 13:51.41 | YuviPanda | but it was some form of attempt at humor |
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| 13:52.46 | kai | hehe |
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| 13:57.52 | qrng | Hm, where do I look up how many slots Boost C++ libraries get? |
| 13:58.28 | anth_x | in the future. |
| 13:58.37 | anth_x | the first draft of slot allocations hasn't been done yet. |
| 13:59.33 | qrng | [ 16:46:18] <@carols> yonij: yes, i am sending out initial allocations today, but there will still be changes. |
| 13:59.48 | Kosma | !when |
| 13:59.48 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 13:59.51 | carols | qrng: ill send a spreadsheet to the mentors list when i'm done |
| 14:01.09 | qrng | nods. |
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| 14:03.04 | bawr | So, this looks to be a good day. I'll go to sleep now, and when I wake up I'll know more. |
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| 14:08.57 | mlankhorst | noon |
| 14:09.04 | bua | Hi!! Am i supposed to reply to a public review through GSoC interface itself or through mail or IRC?? |
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| 14:09.16 | Ivanovic | bua: i'd recommend "both" |
| 14:09.30 | Ivanovic | bua: as in: do what is asked in the public review |
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| 14:09.56 | Ivanovic | while doing so you might want to ask for details via email/irc/forums or whatever else the org does use as prefered way of communication |
| 14:09.57 | bua | Ivanovic: Okay... |
| 14:10.12 | bua | thanks... |
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| 14:10.19 | Ivanovic | once it is done a public comment should follow to make sure that the mentos see it is done |
| 14:10.21 | bawr | mlankhorst: noon? Damn, I wish the whole world switched to UTC already. Having sunrise at different times on the globe isn't that big a deal. >:| |
| 14:10.43 | Ivanovic | bawr: you mean the chinese model? |
| 14:10.47 | Ivanovic | one timezone for all |
| 14:10.52 | Ivanovic | hmm, would be interesting... |
| 14:11.07 | bawr | Kind of. I mean no timezones at all. |
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| 14:11.24 | bawr | The world gets UTC and that's it. |
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| 14:11.39 | Ivanovic | do you really think all nations in the world would be able to agree upon one timezone? |
| 14:11.44 | bawr | Hell, we could just as well switch to metric time while we're at it. |
| 14:11.48 | bawr | Of course not. |
| 14:11.58 | Crofton | !timeline |
| 14:11.58 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 14:12.04 | bawr | Hence the "I wish" part. |
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| 14:13.45 | bawr | Also, I hope you do realise I'm not very serious, especially with the metric time comments. |
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| 14:14.06 | thebolt | bawr: there are advantages to 60-based time.. |
| 14:14.13 | thebolt | lots and lots of divisors :) |
| 14:14.19 | Ivanovic | when applying metric time we should sync it to the metric calendar, too |
| 14:14.48 | kai | 10 months, 100 days each, 10 hours per day? |
| 14:14.49 | bawr | Ivanovic: No, no no no. We want the Discordian calendar. Well, I do. |
| 14:15.32 | kai | then we're so messed up that no-one will be able to complain they're worse off than everybody else |
| 14:15.39 | Ivanovic | kai: won't work |
| 14:15.50 | kai | Ivanovic: why not? |
| 14:15.51 | Ivanovic | kai: it should be closer to the SI system with kilo and mega and the likes |
| 14:15.57 | bawr | thebolt: As much as I love the abundance of divisors with dozens and the like, it's a setback as soon as engineering is concerned. |
| 14:16.02 | Ivanovic | so: 1min = 1ks |
| 14:16.09 | mlankhorst | bawr: and even if you use utc it would still be noon.. |
| 14:16.20 | aghisla | "the deadline is in 1kday" |
| 14:16.24 | aghisla | i like it |
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| 14:16.46 | Ivanovic | where 1kday would be, hmm, a year |
| 14:17.01 | Ivanovic | the seperation of month and weeks would be easy |
| 14:17.07 | kai | see |
| 14:17.17 | kai | 10 months with 100 days |
| 14:17.21 | Waren | yo |
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| 14:17.26 | Ivanovic | 10 days = 1 week, 10 weeks = 1 month, 10 month = 1 year |
| 14:17.33 | mlankhorst | hell, just redefine the second |
| 14:17.34 | kai | that's what I said :) |
| 14:17.44 | bawr | Notice how "1 kilosecond" is very close to 15 minutes. |
| 14:17.58 | mlankhorst | 1 day - 10 hours = 10000 seconds |
| 14:18.01 | mlankhorst | ;p |
| 14:18.05 | bawr | So you wouldn't say "one minute", you'd say "1 kilosecond". :D |
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| 14:18.43 | mlankhorst | but a year would stay the same |
| 14:19.35 | qrng | Hm, the problem is that moon and sun cycles simply do not match, so what we have now -- Gregorian calendar -- is a product of looooong long twiddling with times until things began to work. |
| 14:19.55 | thebolt | qrng: well, lets give up one of them then ;) |
| 14:19.58 | qrng | So don't fix what ain't broken. |
| 14:20.01 | smtms | let's twiddle with Earth orbit around the Sun and the Moon's orbit around the Earth! |
| 14:20.20 | Ivanovic | smtms: sounds good to me! |
| 14:20.24 | kai | why bother about that daystar thing anyway? |
| 14:20.24 | aghisla | thebolt++ |
| 14:20.28 | bawr | qrng: We're engineers. We have to. |
| 14:20.30 | Ivanovic | qrng: but it is broken |
| 14:20.39 | bawr | Well, engineers at heart, if nothing else. |
| 14:20.44 | Ivanovic | qrng: the definition of a second is not exactly based on the decimal system |
| 14:20.55 | Ivanovic | it is based on something like atom movement and the likes |
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| 14:21.14 | mlankhorst | well, day star is important, people don't care really as much about months as they do about days ;p |
| 14:21.16 | Ivanovic | not a clear multiple of 10 available there! |
| 14:21.25 | bawr | Also. Are you implying that, you know, computers couldn't do that twiddling for us over a smoke break? |
| 14:21.36 | qrng | As a mathematician, I don't like that system, either, but do you honestly think that people should embark on the task to remake *everything* that even remotely deals with time? |
| 14:21.39 | mlankhorst | is laptopping outside ;) |
| 14:21.41 | kai | Ivanovic: just pick an isotope that decays at a speed you need |
| 14:21.42 | Ivanovic | so things can just be redefined so that the magical year with 1000 days is still as long as the 265 days year |
| 14:21.42 | thebolt | Ivanovic: well, it is an integer number of periods of the radiation from two hyperfine levels of ground state of caesium 133 ;) |
| 14:21.46 | qrng | Imagine all the factories and automated systems. |
| 14:21.50 | qrng | shudders. |
| 14:21.50 | mlankhorst | awesome weather here! |
| 14:21.52 | Ivanovic | we just got to correct the length of a second |
| 14:22.10 | Ivanovic | qrng: opens *great* options for the market |
| 14:22.16 | bawr | qrng: You do realise we're not very serious, don't you?? |
| 14:22.16 | Ivanovic | imagine all the date upgrade programs |
| 14:22.26 | Ivanovic | this will completely remove any unemployment! |
| 14:22.28 | thebolt | so, what should we keep? current length of a year? |
| 14:22.40 | qrng | bawr: Yes, of course; I simply couldn't resist being a voice of reason. |
| 14:22.42 | mlankhorst | what? If you use default system time functions, it wouldn't be any problem right? ;) |
| 14:22.47 | Ivanovic | thebolt: i think the current "absolute" length of the year might work nicely |
| 14:22.49 | bawr | thebolt: ABOLISH EVERYTHING. |
| 14:22.57 | bawr | MAN SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO NATURE. |
| 14:22.59 | Ivanovic | this way the seasons would still work and be at the same time of the year |
| 14:23.03 | thebolt | Ivanovic: yea.. |
| 14:23.08 | mlankhorst | votes for using planck units |
| 14:23.11 | thebolt | so, lets see what that ends us with |
| 14:23.19 | bawr | So yeah, pick something and run with it, synchronisation with the year be damned. |
| 14:23.38 | aghisla | bawr: NATURE SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO MAN. :D |
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| 14:23.53 | aghisla | we are part of nature, aren't we? |
| 14:24.16 | bawr | aghisla: Oh, it will. In a couple kilodays, we will adjust the very orbit of Earth to suit our new time! |
| 14:24.20 | bawr | mwahaahahaha |
| 14:24.25 | aghisla | :D :D :D |
| 14:24.35 | mlankhorst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJxZNeKuatY |
| 14:24.38 | thebolt | hm, i think a 1:10 scale gives too low resolution for general usage |
| 14:24.39 | aghisla | Earth, spin slower! |
| 14:24.39 | mlankhorst | fight the power! |
| 14:24.47 | thebolt | how about 100 seconds to the minute, 100 minutes to an hour? |
| 14:24.55 | mlankhorst | nah |
| 14:24.58 | mlankhorst | 10/10 |
| 14:24.59 | aghisla | ok a good idea for a flame |
| 14:25.00 | Ivanovic | thebolt: scaling always with 1000 |
| 14:25.07 | loufoque_ | thebolt: how many hours would a day be then? |
| 14:25.11 | aghisla | let's vote |
| 14:25.13 | Ivanovic | (regarding seconds, minuites and hours) |
| 14:25.30 | thebolt | Ivanovic: hm.. might work.. but then you can as well just use kS and MS |
| 14:25.31 | yonij | some one go and synchronize the computers |
| 14:25.34 | mlankhorst | who votes that the eaarth should be flat ;) |
| 14:25.38 | Ivanovic | thebolt: sure |
| 14:25.40 | thebolt | mlankhorst: ay! |
| 14:25.45 | aghisla | +1 |
| 14:25.51 | aghisla | no projection issues |
| 14:25.55 | Ivanovic | mlankhorst: i don't know |
| 14:25.58 | mlankhorst | hooray |
| 14:26.02 | Ivanovic | mlankhorst: where would the water of the oceans go to= |
| 14:26.03 | aghisla | let's blow up PROJ4 |
| 14:26.16 | mlankhorst | Ivanovic: DETAILS HERETIC |
| 14:26.16 | bawr | Ivanovic: *waves hand* magic! |
| 14:26.19 | Ivanovic | dry oceans sounds bad to me, holiday at the coast will be a little boring then |
| 14:26.33 | mlankhorst | so thats how chrrrristianity started ;) |
| 14:26.37 | kai | Ivanovic: you need a wall, like around a pizza |
| 14:26.52 | aghisla | LOL |
| 14:27.02 | Ivanovic | kai: hmm, makes sense |
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| 14:27.07 | kai | Ivanovic: and in the middle, where the olive usually is, we put rome |
| 14:27.20 | Ivanovic | bah, this is disgusting! |
| 14:27.24 | thebolt | Ivanovic: you didn't read discworld? ;) |
| 14:27.24 | Ivanovic | olives on pizza! |
| 14:27.33 | aghisla | parma ham |
| 14:27.49 | Ivanovic | thebolt: but i know that there are no elephants holding the world! |
| 14:27.59 | kai | Ivanovic: I'm quoting from Asterix, dammit :) |
| 14:27.59 | bawr | Ivanovic: You don't. |
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| 14:28.15 | bawr | Have you *seen* the space? |
| 14:28.30 | kai | bawr: I wonder where they're hiding |
| 14:28.47 | aghisla | weren't they tortoises? |
| 14:28.48 | thebolt | Ivanovic: no, thats just what you think :P |
| 14:28.49 | Ivanovic | bawr: of course i have |
| 14:29.00 | kai | probably always around the horizon |
| 14:29.04 | bawr | kai: Actually, the only reason scientists don't talk about it is, well... Remember Doctor Manhattan? |
| 14:29.06 | Ivanovic | bawr: that is: i have *not* seen them |
| 14:29.11 | bawr | Think bigger and gray. |
| 14:29.18 | Ivanovic | bawr: so either they are invisible elephants or they don't exist |
| 14:29.23 | kai | aghisla: one tortoise, four elephants |
| 14:29.31 | aghisla | correct |
| 14:29.34 | kai | aghisla: stacked |
| 14:29.39 | bawr | Earth is not ready for awkward elephant penii of doom. |
| 14:29.45 | Ivanovic | kai: not exactly |
| 14:29.51 | Ivanovic | the elephants are parallized |
| 14:30.06 | aghisla | a raid array of elephants |
| 14:30.27 | kai | Ivanovic: yeah, but it's tortoise<-(4 elephants)<-disk |
| 14:30.44 | kai | so it's stacked |
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| 14:31.07 | Ivanovic | i'd vote for an inhomugenius system design |
| 14:31.22 | aghisla | do we have backup elephants? |
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| 14:31.34 | aghisla | and more important, a backup tortoise? |
| 14:31.36 | kai | aghisla: ebay |
| 14:31.57 | aghisla | nah! |
| 14:32.03 | aghisla | we are ruined |
| 14:32.06 | bawr | Backup tortoises are being taken care of, actually. Not sure if they come with spare elephants. |
| 14:32.08 | Ivanovic | what if you get some chinese fake elephant? |
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| 14:32.56 | bawr | Also, in the event of forced disaster recovery, we could always switch out platform... I hear an Atlas is pretty cheap these days. |
| 14:33.35 | mlankhorst | g2g |
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| 14:37.33 | Ivanovic | bawr: to be honest i prefer the principle some folks in the universe of the dark eye believe |
| 14:38.01 | Ivanovic | there the people from an island named "maraskan" believe that the world is a discus |
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| 14:38.28 | Ivanovic | and two twins (aka "sisterbrother" since the gender is not clear) through the discus from one to the other |
| 14:38.51 | aghisla | what happens if they drop it? |
| 14:38.56 | aghisla | *crash* |
| 14:39.00 | Ivanovic | even better yet: they love the number '2' as base for their system |
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| 14:39.14 | Ivanovic | aghisla: they stand far apart, one way of the discus takes ages |
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| 14:40.47 | yonij | any one heard of sixth sense technology? |
| 14:41.34 | aghisla | nope - any link? |
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| 14:42.51 | yonij | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=video_result&cad=1827676151744994391&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAgQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pranavmistry.com%2Fprojects%2Fsixthsense%2F&ei=4ILES9_8DJCwrAfaiM2MDw&usg=AFQjCNHlHHao8nLwFnSvHOmOwdnp4fLdwA&sig2=6nZKa7htOJV8i4Oyt1Z18g |
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| 14:43.11 | yonij | awesome! |
| 14:43.49 | aghisla | http://www.pranavmistry.com/projects/sixthsense/ |
| 14:43.56 | yonij | yeps that |
| 14:44.02 | aghisla | that link is shorter :D thanks will read it |
| 14:44.18 | yonij | From MIT... heard he will be making it open source soon |
| 14:47.09 | bieb | OT: Does anyone know if there is an IRC channel for Google Apps? I have looked around, but I see that google channels don't always say they are google chans, ie, this chan is #gsoc and there is #appengine for discussion of the Google Apps Engine |
| 14:47.18 | aghisla | the pic of the newspaper with the video is very HarryPotterish :D :D |
| 14:48.10 | yonij | cool tech though |
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| 14:50.24 | bawr | I'll wait for the neural implants, though. ;) |
| 14:50.39 | Samwho | *looks around tentatively* |
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| 14:52.15 | yonij | did any one watched the videos? |
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| 14:53.45 | bawr | I'd rather see that technology switch VR glasses for the projector. |
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| 14:54.13 | yonij | VR? |
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| 14:54.43 | yonij | oh...virtual reality? |
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| 14:59.30 | kai | haha, downforeveryoneorjustme.com is wrong :) |
| 15:00.35 | thebolt | kai: oh? |
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| 15:03.46 | JanisB | <durinbot> Hi. I've never seen you before in #gsoc -- how to become visible for this floodbot? |
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| 15:21.26 | meonkeys | !next |
| 15:21.26 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 15:24.51 | meonkeys | have slot allocations been announced yet? |
| 15:25.08 | Lennie | nope |
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| 15:28.42 | meonkeys | I recall that was going to happen sometime today. Is that correct? |
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| 15:30.10 | carols | meonkeys: yes, some time today. :-) |
| 15:30.26 | meonkeys | ok, thanks! |
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| 15:31.35 | skbohra | we are all waiting ;) |
| 15:33.29 | meonkeys | It may be ironic to say this, but there's something I really like about a quiet IRC channel with hundreds of people. It's an intense silence. :) |
| 15:34.25 | skbohra | meonkeys: we are all in the state of nirvana ;) |
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| 15:36.37 | Gaurav___ | how many unique applicants this year for gsoc, any idea? |
| 15:36.59 | xiainx | they haven't released the numbers yer. |
| 15:37.05 | xiainx | s/yer/yet/ |
| 15:37.14 | xiainx | this question gets asked like... every 15 minutes at least |
| 15:37.41 | Gaurav___ | sorry xiainx I just logged in |
| 15:38.00 | skbohra | !logs |
| 15:38.00 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 15:38.07 | meonkeys | I don't think xiainx was blaming you Gaurav___, just stating the fact. |
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| 15:52.30 | Ishan | Hey guys.... |
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| 16:11.29 | emmanuelp | hi guys, at this point if none of my proposals have been commented, nor I've received any questios from the orgs via email etc, chances are that they will not pick any of them, right? :( |
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| 16:11.54 | Xav_ | I don't hope so =s |
| 16:12.25 | emmanuelp | Xav_ are you a student too? |
| 16:12.34 | Xav_ | yes |
| 16:12.50 | emmanuelp | have you gotten any comments or emails from the orgs about your proposals? |
| 16:12.55 | Xav_ | no |
| 16:13.02 | Xav_ | But I did a very complete proposal |
| 16:13.27 | Xav_ | I think there's lots of students here since nobody is talking ^^ |
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| 16:14.36 | jaxbrigs | Hi, Evereone |
| 16:14.36 | jaxbrigs | I am GSoC student and I have some problem with GSoC site. When I've tried to log in today I've seen that I don't have any roles. Now I can't access my proposals list. |
| 16:14.37 | jaxbrigs | I didn't do any changes in my profile. So I don't what to do. Can somebody help me with this trouble? |
| 16:14.41 | emmanuelp | lol yeah, in my case it wasa bit weird, I did get emails and Q's before the application deadline, but after friday I haven't gotten anything else, so I assumed they were just not that interested :) |
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| 16:15.24 | Xav_ | Or maybe they add all the info they need ? |
| 16:15.30 | Xav_ | had * not add ^^ |
| 16:16.06 | emmanuelp | I hope lol |
| 16:16.34 | Xav_ | Me too, really |
| 16:17.09 | emmanuelp | 2 weeks is too much :( |
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| 16:17.32 | Xav_ | Yes, but this week is still a holliday week in my country :p |
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| 16:18.26 | emmanuelp | cool, we have nothing here until May lol |
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| 16:19.10 | Xav_ | lol ^^ |
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| 16:33.00 | _Samo | hi I have created a document in GSoC site I want mentors and administrators only to see it |
| 16:33.23 | _Samo | what is the read access I have to set, admin or restricted |
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| 16:46.12 | rajat | when does the final list of slots come out? |
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| 16:47.15 | yonij | today |
| 16:47.24 | yonij | an initial list |
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| 16:49.59 | |Kev| | The /final/ list comes out when the final student acceptances are announced. |
| 16:51.15 | rajat | yeah i meant the initial one? what time |
| 16:51.58 | yonij | final means initial ? :) |
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| 17:05.43 | carla | zubin71, its up here =) |
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| 17:39.14 | yonij | !numapps |
| 17:39.14 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 17:51.13 | carla | !countdown |
| 17:51.13 | socinfo | "countdown" is The deadline for submitting a student project proposal has passed. |
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| 17:53.28 | anirvana | Where can get the list of all the shorthand commands like !numapps ? |
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| 17:54.56 | seer | !numapps |
| 17:54.56 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 17:55.14 | jmole | !help |
| 17:55.15 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 17:56.10 | anirvana | !botabuse |
| 17:56.10 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 17:56.54 | anirvana | !advice |
| 17:56.55 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 17:58.48 | carla | !next |
| 17:58.48 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 17:59.33 | anirvana | !wiki |
| 17:59.34 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
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| 18:04.07 | yonij | !org |
| 18:04.07 | socinfo | Error: "org" is not a valid command. |
| 18:04.19 | yonij | what was the command for org? |
| 18:04.23 | int3 | !orgs |
| 18:04.23 | socinfo | "orgs" is The list of accepted mentoring organizations is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 18:04.27 | yonij | ops |
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| 18:11.40 | dho_plan9 | carols: Is the slot running today preliminary or official pending actual assignments? |
| 18:12.09 | carols | dho_plan9: preliminary pending horsetrading between the orgs |
| 18:12.31 | dho_plan9 | Ok -- I guess that's what I meant by the latter part :) |
| 18:12.42 | carols | dho_plan9: fair enough :-) |
| 18:12.45 | dho_plan9 | Is that also TBA today? :) |
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| 18:33.46 | kdaks | !next |
| 18:33.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:33.48 | carla | how many slots will be this year? |
| 18:35.17 | pygi | carla, unlimited :P |
| 18:35.22 | pygi | we'll know when its time :p |
| 18:35.30 | carla | ok =) |
| 18:35.36 | carla | ty |
| 18:35.47 | Ivanovic | carla: the answer is clear: 'n' |
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| 18:35.56 | Ivanovic | and 'n' still has to be announced |
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| 18:36.15 | carla | Ivanovic, yeah =) |
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| 18:38.21 | dho_plan9 | The FAQ says they're planning for 1,000 again this year. |
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| 18:38.43 | Ivanovic | dho_plan9: exact numbers will be known on april 26 |
| 18:38.48 | dho_plan9 | Yep. |
| 18:39.02 | dho_plan9 | But that doesn't mean there's not an idea of the magnitude :) |
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| 19:02.50 | damonwang | !next |
| 19:02.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 19:06.45 | kasun | !next |
| 19:06.45 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 19:11.22 | gvallarelli | !numapp |
| 19:11.22 | socinfo | Error: "numapp" is not a valid command. |
| 19:11.49 | eppz | fail |
| 19:11.54 | gvallarelli | !numapps |
| 19:11.54 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 19:19.00 | kblin | whoa |
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| 19:19.37 | kblin | that was a well-engineered break-in |
| 19:19.53 | kblin | once more this shows me why I hate webapps |
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| 19:20.32 | drt24 | though admins should be more careful with passwords that can be used to gain root... |
| 19:21.35 | Kosma | what happened? |
| 19:21.50 | schumaml | client certificates + password, please |
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| 19:22.27 | drt24 | https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/apache_org_04_09_2010 |
| 19:22.27 | schumaml | (the common php programmer has no concept of certificates, though) |
| 19:24.18 | drt24 | also why use a good hash and then not use a random salt? |
| 19:24.40 | kblin | drt24: no idea |
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| 19:26.00 | kblin | love the commenters on that report, though |
| 19:26.02 | smtms | drt24, because 512 is so much security! |
| 19:26.03 | drt24 | had lots of fun writing a user management system as part of a webapp last summer (and then fixing lots and lots of bugs in it this spring :-) |
| 19:26.11 | kblin | "did they steal any code?" |
| 19:26.18 | drt24 | lol |
| 19:26.53 | johang | lol |
| 19:27.00 | Xav_ | XD |
| 19:27.03 | thebolt | wonders what kblin is refering to.. |
| 19:27.35 | kblin | thebolt: the apache break-in drt24 linked |
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| 19:28.24 | thebolt | ah, there |
| 19:28.33 | thebolt | i looked in the backlog for a link but didn't see any |
| 19:28.51 | kblin | smtms: that's why I always rot-520-encode my important data |
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| 19:29.04 | smtms | thebolt, it was posted after kblin's comments |
| 19:29.28 | thebolt | smtms: yea, found it when kblin told me who said it |
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| 19:32.34 | johang | kblin: too week. I recently switched up to rot-1024. |
| 19:33.13 | johang | weak* :( |
| 19:33.41 | kblin | johang: well, rot-520 has the obfuscation benefit |
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| 19:35.09 | johang | oh... I get it -_- |
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| 19:36.52 | Kosma | I use double rot13 for most things |
| 19:36.57 | Kosma | unbreakable |
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| 19:39.26 | GHF | I use negative bit length keys |
| 19:39.40 | GHF | nobody ever sees those coming |
| 19:40.29 | GHF | recently switched from fractional length keys because of performance reasons |
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| 19:49.53 | d4ddi0 | GHF: I have long asserted that there are no such things as negative numbers. You have a pretty good proof for my theorum started thre :) |
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| 20:18.07 | jaxbrigs | Hi, Evereone |
| 20:18.08 | jaxbrigs | I am GSoC student and I have some problem with GSoC site. When I've tried to log in today I've seen that I don't have any roles. Now I can't access my proposals list. |
| 20:18.08 | jaxbrigs | I didn't do any changes in my profile. So I don't know what to do. Can somebody help me with this trouble? |
| 20:18.54 | mkarnicki | try clearing the browser cache |
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| 20:19.06 | mkarnicki | I had some issues with chrome recently, but not this particular one. |
| 20:19.42 | jaxbrigs | it's not the browser's problem. I've already used another one. |
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| 20:21.14 | BHSPitCSP | jaxbrigs: hopefully your proposal was to fix melange :P |
| 20:22.23 | kblin | hm, weird |
| 20:22.37 | kblin | for some reason gvim decided to remove the menu bar today |
| 20:22.58 | bawr | Do we have the org numbers yet? :) |
| 20:23.41 | drt24 | !numapps |
| 20:23.41 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 20:24.09 | rajat | and the slot numbers? |
| 20:24.47 | kblin | !slots |
| 20:24.47 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 20:24.58 | kblin | !when |
| 20:24.58 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 20:25.06 | BHSPitCSP | !why |
| 20:25.06 | socinfo | Error: "why" is not a valid command. |
| 20:25.09 | BHSPitCSP | :P |
| 20:25.15 | bawr | B-but... Aww, foiled again. |
| 20:25.19 | Xav_ | XD |
| 20:25.20 | kblin | !learn why as Because! |
| 20:25.20 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:25.25 | BHSPitCSP | !why |
| 20:25.25 | socinfo | "why" is Because! |
| 20:25.30 | BHSPitCSP | :D |
| 20:26.32 | BHSPitCSP | I feel like the preceding '"$key" is' lessens the effect |
| 20:27.50 | mkarnicki | true :D |
| 20:28.03 | mkarnicki | yo bawr |
| 20:28.22 | bawr | What I specifically meant was if carols sent the initial allocation spreadsheet, but I guess the answer is the same. Hello. |
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| 20:29.32 | schumaml | socinfo, learn resistance as futile |
| 20:29.32 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:29.38 | mkarnicki | lol |
| 20:29.38 | janes | is there anyone from open afs |
| 20:29.41 | mkarnicki | !resistance |
| 20:29.41 | socinfo | "resistance" is futile |
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| 20:30.02 | bawr | janes: You're more likely to find someone on the openafs IRC / mailing lists/ |
| 20:30.02 | mkarnicki | i heard we weren't supposed to overuse socinfo :P |
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| 20:30.16 | schumaml | too bad there's not learn -plural |
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| 20:30.48 | janes | bawr:ya but ideas list is closed so i cant find there nsme |
| 20:30.54 | mkarnicki | !help |
| 20:30.54 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 20:30.57 | janes | *their name |
| 20:31.18 | schumaml | yep, bot play should happen in a private query |
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| 20:32.59 | bawr | janes: I hear there's this wobsite on the intertubular network where you type in words and it finds you related pages. Supposedly they call it Google or something. ;P |
| 20:33.26 | kblin | gnah |
| 20:33.38 | schumaml | nah, that's lmgtfy.com |
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| 20:36.02 | bawr | kblin: Sorry, it;s not entertaining enough for me just to link people to lmgtfy. :) |
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| 20:37.08 | schumaml | pointing to the smart questions guide can be more entertaining, but more and more people just read that and don't freak out |
| 20:38.23 | bawr | Well, I'm not an ESR fan, and the guide *is* kind of a dick move... but I essentially don't have a problem with it. |
| 20:39.19 | schumaml | I once had ESR's blog thrown from our rss aggregator for his strongly pro-gun articles ;) |
| 20:39.19 | jkwood | http://sweet.nodns4.us is a nice touch. |
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| 20:40.13 | bawr | jkwood: Bookmarked. |
| 20:41.05 | infinity0 | i need to translate that into chinese for my mum |
| 20:42.22 | bawr | I remember this article when someone was almost foaming at the mouth how ESR is condescending and how linking that to people is oh so horrible, but frankly... Boo hoo. If someone still hasn't figured these things [about asking questions] out, it's their problem, not mine. |
| 20:43.38 | jkwood | Also, http://xkcd.com/627/ |
| 20:44.46 | bawr | jkwood: I've actually written something very similar for my family a few years back. |
| 20:45.09 | schumaml | there have been days when I could provide support for gimp by just pasting links to our user manual on irc |
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| 20:45.34 | bawr | Adn now? :) |
| 20:45.43 | Ivanovic | the manual is down! |
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| 20:45.44 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 20:46.03 | schumaml | got bored, and others are doing it now |
| 20:46.37 | smtms | gimp has user manual? |
| 20:46.44 | smtms | I thought it is open-source |
| 20:46.49 | bawr | Hahahaha. |
| 20:46.50 | Ivanovic | smtms: and? |
| 20:46.52 | schumaml | something that's more alamring is that some people provide "help" without verifying that it is correct |
| 20:47.02 | Ivanovic | smtms: even wesnoth has a "real" manual, check manual.wesnoth.org |
| 20:47.19 | kblin | er, is that just me or is that "status" line on the students list a new thing? |
| 20:47.27 | bawr | Ivanovic: Open source having no manuals is a running gag. Welcome to the internets. ;P |
| 20:47.44 | infinity0 | the fact that some software doesn't have a user manual is dependant on how big the project is, i don't know how this stupid open source connection started |
| 20:47.45 | Ivanovic | what is this strange thing called "internet"? |
| 20:47.53 | Ivanovic | is it connected to spiderwebs? |
| 20:47.54 | infinity0 | there is plenty of crappy proprietary software with no user manuals |
| 20:48.08 | Ivanovic | damn, and i thought i killed all of those that were in my room... |
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| 20:48.30 | schumaml | Ivanovic: just check out those funnel-shaped ones |
| 20:48.30 | bawr | infinity0: Again, *most* people realise it's a joke. |
| 20:48.51 | carols | stands on the open source couch |
| 20:48.53 | infinity0 | yeah but it's always the same people making the joke (in my experience) |
| 20:48.54 | carols | hi everyone |
| 20:48.57 | Ivanovic | hi carols |
| 20:49.00 | jkwood | Hi carols |
| 20:49.01 | carols | slot allocations are out for orgs |
| 20:49.04 | bawr | waves |
| 20:49.05 | Ivanovic | HUI |
| 20:49.05 | carols | enjoy |
| 20:49.12 | carols | waves back |
| 20:49.17 | jkwood | cheers |
| 20:49.20 | infinity0 | cool |
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| 20:49.54 | dho_plan9 | carols: thanks |
| 20:50.06 | dho_plan9 | :) |
| 20:50.07 | carols | dho_plan9: you're quite welcome. |
| 20:50.10 | carols | :-) |
| 20:50.15 | |Kev| | Thanks. |
| 20:50.19 | carols | gets off the chair |
| 20:50.23 | carols | im going to bed now |
| 20:50.30 | |Kev| | gn. |
| 20:50.31 | carols | it's late where I am :-) |
| 20:50.38 | Ivanovic | where are you at the moment? |
| 20:50.38 | damonwang | carols: Are the allocations only available for orgs? |
| 20:50.42 | bawr | Have a good rest, then. :) |
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| 20:50.49 | damonwang | Or do students get to see them too? |
| 20:50.52 | carols | Ivanovic: delft, netherlands :-) |
| 20:50.54 | Ivanovic | probably further east than germany since here it is just 22:50 |
| 20:50.58 | schumaml | 22:50 then |
| 20:51.02 | carols | damonwang: yes |
| 20:51.05 | Ivanovic | carols: uhm, in this time zone it is not this late... |
| 20:51.13 | schumaml | add jetlag... |
| 20:51.17 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 20:51.20 | damonwang | Ah, sorry. Good night, then! |
| 20:51.22 | carols | Ivanovic: its past my bedtime and i'm on california time :-) |
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| 20:51.29 | Ivanovic | have a good night, carols |
| 20:51.32 | carols | have a nice day/night everyone |
| 20:51.33 | carols | thank you |
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| 20:51.41 | kblin | ah, that'd explain the status changes :) |
| 20:51.42 | myl-D-zazta | !next |
| 20:51.43 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 20:51.57 | Ivanovic | kblin: yes, it does explain the extra column |
| 20:52.10 | kblin | I managed to see that, but not the slot count |
| 20:53.10 | |Kev| | Half/Third the number of slots we've had in previous years - this is going to be hard to choose students :s |
| 20:54.21 | daimyo | |Kev|: in which organisation? |
| 20:54.28 | |Kev| | XSF |
| 20:54.53 | daimyo | Google published something like 'slots number' list? |
| 20:55.04 | |Kev| | daimyo: only to the orgs. |
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| 20:55.20 | smtms | what's this extra column about? |
| 20:55.50 | |Kev| | smtms: whether the students will be accepted or rejected based on current scoring/mentor allocation, and preliminary slot allocations. |
| 20:56.37 | Dark_Shikari | woohoo, slots |
| 20:57.01 | |Kev| | Quite. |
| 20:57.29 | daimyo | so is it any oportunity to check how much slots has my org? |
| 20:57.42 | |Kev| | daimyo: yes, if you're a mentor or admin, just login to melange. |
| 20:57.49 | |Kev| | If you're a student, no, be patient. |
| 20:58.02 | Dark_Shikari | sees 15 slots, cheers |
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| 20:58.10 | Dark_Shikari | fewer apps than last year and more slots, hmm |
| 20:58.11 | |Kev| | Dark_Shikari: which ord? |
| 20:58.15 | Dark_Shikari | videolan |
| 20:58.19 | |Kev| | Ah, nice. |
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| 20:58.41 | |Kev| | We got not many slots, and lots of good applications, sadly. |
| 20:58.44 | anirvana | where are you seeing the slot info from? |
| 20:58.48 | |Kev| | More good apps than we've had in previous years. |
| 20:58.50 | daimyo | |Kev|: I'm a student |
| 20:58.51 | Dark_Shikari | We may end up giving some away if we can't fill them all |
| 20:58.55 | |Kev| | anirvana: the top of the application list. |
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| 20:59.24 | daimyo | do you know how much slots has Java Path Finder? |
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| 20:59.33 | bawr | |Kev|: Don't worry. The Klingon blood rituals are only beginning. |
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| 20:59.38 | |Kev| | bawr: heh. |
| 20:59.38 | dho_plan9 | !timeline |
| 20:59.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 21:00.42 | anirvana | |Kev| : can you gimme the link? |
| 21:01.11 | |Kev| | anirvana: it's the top of the application list for your org in the mentor/admin interface. |
| 21:01.28 | anirvana | i am a student :( |
| 21:01.34 | |Kev| | Then be patient :) |
| 21:02.02 | anirvana | sure :) |
| 21:04.08 | smtms | anirvana, you can ask the people who know the number |
| 21:05.17 | anirvana | Can anyone tell me how many slots has mozilla got? |
| 21:05.23 | Xav_ | +1 |
| 21:05.31 | bawr | Yes. The Mozilla mentors can. |
| 21:05.34 | Xav_ | I'm also a potential student for mozilla |
| 21:06.07 | jkwood | Asking in the GSoC channel is kind of silly, when every open source project has other forums for communication. |
| 21:06.29 | bawr | realises something |
| 21:06.49 | kblin | I don't know the policy of other orgs, but I'm not talking about preliminary slot counts in a public forum |
| 21:06.52 | bawr | If I see a berkman person asking about their slots, I'm going to lose it. |
| 21:06.53 | Xav_ | yes ^^ the mozilla irc channel is irc://irc.mozilla.org/#developers |
| 21:07.09 | bawr | Xav_: So... try asking there? >_> |
| 21:07.30 | Xav_ | I'm not asking, it's anirvana ^^ :p |
| 21:07.48 | Xav_ | I would have asked to the mentor on I'm |
| 21:07.52 | Xav_ | on irc://irc.mozilla.org/#developers |
| 21:07.54 | anirvana | i am out of it now :P |
| 21:07.55 | bawr | Ahh. Sorry, I just woke up. |
| 21:08.06 | Xav_ | nope |
| 21:08.07 | jkwood | bawr: Berkman is the exception to my rule, that have a channel without communication. |
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| 21:09.02 | mlankhorst | yar |
| 21:09.08 | bawr | I'm actually more curious how many slots berkman got then how many slots my org got. |
| 21:09.19 | |Kev| | Why's that? |
| 21:09.20 | bawr | I wonder if all the pre-decrements did anything. :) |
| 21:09.43 | |Kev| | I think I'm missing something cricical in this conversation :) |
| 21:09.52 | bawr | Well, some people tried post-decrementing, but as someone pointed out, that's just silly. |
| 21:09.55 | Xav_ | bawr: what's ur org ? |
| 21:10.02 | jkwood | If they get more slots than we did, I'm going to cry. |
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| 21:10.40 | kblin | jkwood: hehe |
| 21:10.42 | bawr | |Kev|: About five times now - and that's only when I was around, mind you - people came to #gsoc because there's nobody on the berkman channel, and they don't respond to e-mails, etc. |
| 21:10.50 | |Kev| | Ah, ok. |
| 21:11.05 | bawr | |Kev|: And the standard response to that became something like "--berkman.slots;". |
| 21:11.12 | |Kev| | Ah. |
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| 21:11.21 | |Kev| | How did I miss this? It's not as if I sleep :) |
| 21:11.29 | kblin | so they of course assumed that we'd be able to answer project specific questions |
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| 21:11.55 | bawr | jkwood: I wouldn't blame you. |
| 21:12.01 | kblin | as people working in support all have access to google mind search (beta) |
| 21:12.01 | bawr | Xav_: I'm trying to get into OSUOSL. |
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| 21:12.27 | _Samo | if anyone org has any extra slot not needed at all we would graciously accept it |
| 21:12.30 | Xav_ | okay |
| 21:12.53 | Xav_ | Samo: ahaha |
| 21:12.57 | kblin | _Samo: that's probably true for many orgs |
| 21:13.12 | bawr | kblin: No, most orgs would *humbly* accept it. ;P |
| 21:13.18 | Xav_ | ^^ |
| 21:13.38 | jasebo_at_home | we're grateful for everything google does, but we're sad we didn't get more slots than last year and will be begging for more too :-) |
| 21:14.15 | kblin | jasebo_at_home: did you get more applications? |
| 21:14.19 | jasebo_at_home | humbly! |
| 21:14.25 | |Kev| | I suspect (although have no idea how the allocation system works) that us having a year out hasn't done us any favours. |
| 21:14.29 | bawr | Wait a minute. Each org only knows their own slots, right? So we still don't know the total? |
| 21:14.34 | jasebo_at_home | we got a few more, but of miuch higher quality |
| 21:14.34 | |Kev| | bawr: right. |
| 21:14.41 | bawr | Aww. |
| 21:15.26 | kblin | |Kev|: I doubt that, actually |
| 21:15.31 | bawr | Hmm. What's the risk factor that a student doesn't complete? 20%? |
| 21:15.43 | kblin | bawr: no idea |
| 21:15.43 | Xav_ | less |
| 21:15.50 | bawr | So, let's see... |
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| 21:15.53 | Xav_ | (i think less) |
| 21:16.11 | kblin | well, actually I have |
| 21:16.15 | |Kev| | kblin: You could be right - in previous years we've got the number of slots we asked for, though, and not this time, so I wonder what it is |
| 21:16.33 | kblin | we had slightly over 80% success rates in the past years |
| 21:16.34 | Ivanovic | |Kev|: just do some maths |
| 21:16.34 | |Kev| | It's not that I'm complaining about having less - they're going to good use somewhere, just that I wonder. |
| 21:16.50 | Ivanovic | it seems to (in the first round) be done depending on two parameters: |
| 21:16.56 | bawr | Going with 0.85 as the chance of success, it would be fair to trade your slots on the black market for anything under $425. ;) |
| 21:17.05 | |Kev| | bawr: haha. |
| 21:17.12 | Xav_ | XD |
| 21:17.15 | Ivanovic | 1) what is the ratio of eligible proposals to all eligible proposals submitted |
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| 21:17.20 | bawr | So I'd say ~$450 will be the black market price. |
| 21:17.54 | kblin | I accept bribes in form of embedded systems |
| 21:18.04 | smtms | notices that bawr knows a lot about the black market |
| 21:18.06 | Ivanovic | so if you got eg 1% of all submitted proposals (with the ~5500 socinfo talks about this would mean 550 applications) you would get about 10% of all slots available |
| 21:18.20 | Ivanovic | s/550/55 |
| 21:18.30 | Ivanovic | s/10%/1% |
| 21:18.47 | emcho | Ivanovic: I am not sure that's how it works |
| 21:18.48 | Ivanovic | so with 1000 slots overall and 1% of the proposals you would have 10 slots |
| 21:18.59 | bawr | Ivanovic: By all deities of chaos and thunder. It's about APPLICANTS, not PROPOSALS. Most people file more than one. |
| 21:19.01 | |Kev| | Ivanovic: Those numbers do work, good point. |
| 21:19.17 | kblin | bawr: why? |
| 21:19.18 | Ivanovic | though there is one boundery: if you only ask for 5 slots, you will only get 5 |
| 21:19.20 | bawr | Why does everyone use the number of proposals? :( |
| 21:19.32 | bawr | kblin: An applicant fills the spot. A proposal doesn't. |
| 21:19.39 | kblin | yeah, so? |
| 21:19.48 | |Kev| | I hadn't realised the 5500 was valid proposals. I hadn't thought about it. |
| 21:19.58 | jkwood | Two boundaries. 2 slots minimum, requested slots maximum. |
| 21:20.01 | jmole | i only filed one proposal |
| 21:20.13 | jmole | but it was a good one |
| 21:20.20 | Xav_ | jmole : me too |
| 21:20.23 | kblin | Ivanovic: jkwood has a good point |
| 21:20.30 | Ivanovic | jkwood: unless slots maximum is lower than 2 |
| 21:20.36 | Ivanovic | but right |
| 21:20.38 | Xav_ | I believe in "quality" |
| 21:20.38 | bawr | kblin: Ah, sorry, I let my pet peeve overtake my reading comprehension. :) |
| 21:20.41 | jasebo_at_home | you only get 1% of proposals? |
| 21:20.52 | dberkholz | anyone know what the slot total across all orgs is, this year? |
| 21:20.53 | Ivanovic | jasebo_at_home: this was an *example* |
| 21:21.00 | Ivanovic | everyone has to do the maths theirselves |
| 21:21.04 | jasebo_at_home | oh, ok |
| 21:21.07 | kblin | Ivanovic: so if you have 1% of the proposals, you're likely to get less slots |
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| 21:21.24 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 21:21.26 | Ivanovic | kblin: depends on how the proposals are split |
| 21:21.38 | Ivanovic | kblin: if every org at least has 11 proposals submitted: no |
| 21:21.40 | dberkholz | eh, i'll just assume the faq matches reality |
| 21:21.41 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:21.49 | jkwood | Ivanovic: Well, yes, but dealing with edge cases in statistics is usually done through confidence intervals. ;) |
| 21:21.55 | kblin | Ivanovic: fair enough |
| 21:22.09 | Ivanovic | and honestly 11 proposals is not *this* much to receive |
| 21:22.18 | bawr | smtms: You've heard nothing. ;P |
| 21:22.30 | Ivanovic | so i don't think it will happen more often than orgs not taking the amount they *could* get |
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| 21:23.05 | nfl | !botabuse |
| 21:23.05 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 21:23.17 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, I assume that there's a general tendency to give more slots to umbrella orgs |
| 21:23.42 | Ivanovic | kblin: yes, there is some tweaking by hand involved later on |
| 21:23.55 | Ivanovic | but for a rough idea regarding the slots this version does work |
| 21:24.08 | Ivanovic | and eg for |Kev| it seems to basically fit |
| 21:24.08 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:24.13 | Ivanovic | and so it does for wesnoth |
| 21:24.20 | |Kev| | (who is an umbrella org, fwiw) |
| 21:24.36 | Ivanovic | (as in: got the number we asked for which is lower than last years number because we don't have this many mentors this year) |
| 21:24.42 | kblin | works ok for some of my orgs |
| 21:24.42 | dberkholz | bawr: what are you applying to osuosl for? |
| 21:24.46 | Ivanovic | |Kev|: eg kde or python foundation |
| 21:24.54 | Ivanovic | or gnu |
| 21:24.56 | |Kev| | nono |
| 21:25.06 | |Kev| | < Ivanovic> and eg for |Kev| it seems to basically fit |
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| 21:25.06 | |Kev| | < |Kev|> (who is an umbrella org, fwiw) |
| 21:25.16 | |Kev| | As in: It works for Kev, and Kev is an umbrella org. |
| 21:25.27 | bawr | dberkholz: I want to code for- ah. Implementing stuff for Pydra. (A distributed computing thing.) |
| 21:25.37 | bawr | http://bit.ly/bawr-gsoc |
| 21:25.49 | Ivanovic | [23:23:55] <Ivanovic> but for a rough idea regarding the slots this version does work |
| 21:25.51 | Ivanovic | [23:24:07] <Ivanovic> and eg for |Kev| it seems to basically fit |
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| 21:25.58 | kblin | |Kev|: I was thinking about the bigger umbrella orgs like kde, asf and psf |
| 21:25.59 | Ivanovic | no, i have not called you umbrella org |
| 21:26.25 | kblin | Ivanovic: but XMPP is an umbrella org, for all I know |
| 21:26.27 | |Kev| | Ivanovic: no, you haven't - I was saying that we're an umbrella org - in reference to kblin's assertion that it works differently for umbrella orgs. |
| 21:26.42 | bawr | I don't think there's much tweaking with umbrella orgs. They get much more proposals, don't they? |
| 21:26.50 | Ivanovic | bawr: jepp |
| 21:26.57 | Ivanovic | bawr: the difference is probably in rounding |
| 21:27.05 | kblin | |Kev|: assumption, please, not assertion :) |
| 21:27.12 | Ivanovic | where other "normal" orgs go down at rounding they directly go up or the likes |
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| 21:28.01 | |Kev| | kblin: objection sustained. |
| 21:28.24 | kblin | and of course a corrective for the orgs that figured out which kind of chocolate carols likes best ;) |
| 21:28.36 | gevaerts | *already*? :) |
| 21:29.18 | gevaerts | had only expected those orgs next year or so! |
| 21:29.30 | Ivanovic | kblin: i think *this* part goes in later on |
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| 21:29.54 | Ivanovic | kblin: since this was the very first round and carols probably had not enough time yet to really go through the cocolate stack |
| 21:30.06 | svuorela | what's her favourite chocolate ? |
| 21:30.07 | kblin | Ivanovic: you think I sent that package to delft for fun? |
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| 21:30.46 | dberkholz | bawr: cool, i'm familiar with the work. it actually grew out of a research project we were collaborating with the osl on |
| 21:30.55 | Lennie | kblin: Thanks for the muffins this morning :P? |
| 21:30.57 | dberkholz | and then took on a life of its own! |
| 21:31.02 | gchaix | did it ever! |
| 21:31.24 | gchaix | bawr: blame dberkholz for anything you don't like. It's all his fault. ;-) |
| 21:31.29 | Ivanovic | kblin: i think she will never get this package |
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| 21:31.51 | Lennie | I will take that package Ivanovic, it is my city anyway :0 |
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| 21:31.51 | Ivanovic | calls the dutch post office to intercept the package |
| 21:31.54 | bawr | Duly noted. :) |
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| 21:32.06 | dberkholz | gchaix: hey now, don't be turning me into jforman |
| 21:32.13 | gchaix | too late ;-) |
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| 21:32.50 | ahf | gracelaw: hm? |
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| 21:32.58 | kblin | Lennie: you gave the one with rat poison to TinyMCE, right? |
| 21:33.00 | jasebo_at_home | do you think Carol likes vegemite? |
| 21:33.21 | Lennie | kblin: hehe, there was talk about sticking with tinymce because the cleaner is better now :p |
| 21:33.34 | kblin | jasebo_at_home: no idea. I still have a hard time imagining anybody could like that |
| 21:33.48 | jasebo_at_home | it's just I think we Aussies can't compete with dutch chocolate |
| 21:33.48 | bawr | dberkholz: What was that research project about, anyway? |
| 21:34.03 | kblin | note to self: send more poisoned muffins next time |
| 21:34.28 | gevaerts | jasebo_at_home: with *dutch* chocolate? Sure you can |
| 21:34.47 | Ivanovic | jasebo_at_home: if you said swiss or belgish chocolate: okay, difficult |
| 21:34.48 | dho_plan9 | lekker |
| 21:34.49 | dberkholz | bawr: analyzing the 3D structure of proteins to extract general principles and interesting features. the processing step took days on a single cpu, thus the idea of parallel processing ... and from that was born pydra |
| 21:34.58 | Ivanovic | even if you said german chocolate: hard but not impossible |
| 21:35.02 | Ivanovic | but *dutch*? |
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| 21:35.11 | Lennie | dutch chocolate is not that good tbh |
| 21:35.14 | Lennie | try belgium :0 |
| 21:35.22 | jasebo_at_home | dutch chocolate or australian chocolate.... which would you choose? |
| 21:35.33 | Ivanovic | jasebo_at_home: german, swiss or belgish |
| 21:35.34 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 21:35.35 | thebolt | belgium or switzerland ;) |
| 21:35.45 | gchaix | European chocolate > US chocolate, regardless |
| 21:35.48 | |Kev| | My wife allows me to go to FOSDEM only on condition that I bring back Belgian chocolate ): |
| 21:35.58 | Ivanovic | |Kev|: sounds like a fair trade |
| 21:36.00 | |Kev| | gchaix: right, no comparison |
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| 21:36.08 | bawr | I have never tried US chocolate, but I don't see why I'd want to. |
| 21:36.13 | gchaix | bawr: don't |
| 21:36.18 | gchaix | unless you like eazting paraffin |
| 21:36.18 | thebolt | European chocolate > US chocolate > Asian chocolate.. |
| 21:36.27 | Ivanovic | bawr: masochism might be a reason |
| 21:36.29 | dho_plan9 | mm, depends on who makes it. |
| 21:36.32 | d4ddi01 | We make money, no chocolate. (r) (tm) |
| 21:36.36 | gchaix | heh |
| 21:36.36 | thebolt | it was one of the few things i missed last time i lived there.. might miss it also when i move back :/ |
| 21:36.40 | d4ddi01 | s/no/not/ |
| 21:36.40 | |Kev| | US Steaks: Awesome. US: Burgers: Awesome. US Various other things: Awesome. |
| 21:36.41 | dho_plan9 | smaller confectionaries do a fine job. |
| 21:36.44 | |Kev| | US Chocolates: No. |
| 21:36.48 | bawr | dberkholz: Out of curiosity, did you consider using an existing stack for this? Boinc or something? |
| 21:36.52 | thebolt | have to setup a supply-chain from here :P |
| 21:37.05 | Ivanovic | US Beer: NO! |
| 21:37.13 | dho_plan9 | Ivanovic: same statement applies |
| 21:37.16 | thebolt | Ivanovic: definitely! :) |
| 21:37.16 | baer | same w/ cheese in the US |
| 21:37.22 | dberkholz | bawr: ask kreneskyp =) |
| 21:37.22 | dho_plan9 | there are some fantastic beers from smaller breweries |
| 21:37.40 | kblin | dho_plan9: yeah, unless you try the one in mountain view |
| 21:37.43 | |Kev| | Ivanovic: Anywhere Beer: No, for me :) |
| 21:37.52 | dho_plan9 | kblin: tied house? |
| 21:37.56 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:38.03 | bawr | dberkholz: Ahh, in that case I know. As I heard it, it was back when boinc had no good docs, so that's why it wasn't used. :) |
| 21:38.08 | dho_plan9 | *shrugs* i enjoyed their stuff, but that was also about 5 years ago. |
| 21:38.17 | dho_plan9 | Wouldn't call it top quality. |
| 21:38.29 | kblin | their dark beer tastes burnt :) |
| 21:39.21 | kblin | well, it's probably better than bud ;) |
| 21:39.21 | dho_plan9 | Ah, I think I went with their IPA and pilsener when I was there. |
| 21:39.21 | dho_plan9 | has been to california once since he lived there |
| 21:39.21 | Ivanovic | okay, with pilsener they probably brew it following german standards |
| 21:39.21 | Ivanovic | so it can't be *tooo* bad |
| 21:39.23 | kblin | Ivanovic: I'd doubt that |
| 21:39.44 | kblin | Ivanovic: their weissbier wasn't quite what I'd expect either |
| 21:40.04 | Ivanovic | okay, there are things i would not test outside of germany |
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| 21:40.15 | Ivanovic | eg i would not expect to get a tasty maibock outside of germany |
| 21:40.22 | thebolt | i think there are some decent american beers.. i have enjoyed some of Anchor Steams and some samuel adams.. |
| 21:40.29 | dho_plan9 | Anyway, I'm talking more to the extent of the 3 floyds dark lord |
| 21:40.40 | dho_plan9 | or Bourbon County |
| 21:40.50 | Catfish_Man | baer: you'd be surprised how good the cheese at my local hippy grocery store is |
| 21:40.57 | dho_plan9 | those are some delicious friggin' beers |
| 21:40.58 | Catfish_Man | 'course a good % of it is imported, but still |
| 21:41.07 | jkwood | checks to make sure he's not in #beersoftheworld |
| 21:41.08 | Ivanovic | prefers scots instead of bourbon |
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| 21:41.18 | dho_plan9 | Ivanovic: it's a beer |
| 21:41.19 | baer | Catfish_Man: i had a really hard time finding something decent |
| 21:41.23 | jasebo_at_home | whatever anyone says, it's clear that Australia makes the best vegemite in the world |
| 21:41.29 | kblin | you can tell I'm usually in the valley during "oktoberfest" time, so people assumed that I'd miss out if they didn't get me a weissbier |
| 21:41.43 | thebolt | kblin: ;) |
| 21:41.43 | dho_plan9 | http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1146/10672 |
| 21:41.47 | dho_plan9 | omnomnomnomnom |
| 21:41.51 | Ivanovic | poor kblin |
| 21:41.52 | kblin | jasebo_at_home: because no-one else is crazy enough to make that stuff ;) |
| 21:42.11 | Catfish_Man | baer: where in the US? |
| 21:42.15 | kblin | well, better than that burnt dark beer |
| 21:42.18 | Catfish_Man | baer: San Francisco is a bit of a special case ;) |
| 21:42.25 | bawr | Advice time. Don't, ever, eat three huge bags of sharp and spicy chips over three days. My whole mouth hurts. :( |
| 21:42.44 | baer | well i found something in sf ;) |
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| 21:43.06 | dho_plan9 | kblin: anyway, there are a few reasonably good breweries in the sfba area |
| 21:43.07 | Ivanovic | bawr: instead of eating them yourself you could have sent them to me |
| 21:43.07 | baer | but i lived in sunnyvale and well... |
| 21:43.15 | Catfish_Man | baer: oh, well the south bay is a wasteland |
| 21:43.17 | Ivanovic | would probably have been nice with a tasty beer |
| 21:43.19 | Catfish_Man | nothing good comes from there |
| 21:43.35 | bawr | Ivanovic: If only I had known! |
| 21:43.45 | Ivanovic | bawr: man, i am german |
| 21:43.51 | dho_plan9 | was a pretty good one in santa clara |
| 21:43.57 | Ivanovic | of course i got some tasty beer at hand! |
| 21:43.59 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:44.07 | dho_plan9 | I don't remember the name, but they had a restaurant there too. Not Gordon Biersch in any case. |
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| 21:44.56 | kblin | hm, I remember a mexican place with ok beer in santa clara |
| 21:45.15 | kblin | but then again, it was free beer, that tends to be better most of the time ;) |
| 21:45.19 | Ivanovic | mexican food combined with tasty food |
| 21:45.22 | Ivanovic | hmmm, sounds good |
| 21:45.23 | Catfish_Man | kblin: Tommy's, in SF, apparently has superb tequila |
| 21:46.02 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I don't recall where it was, as we had a suv stretch-limo taking us there |
| 21:46.22 | Catfish_Man | eww |
| 21:46.28 | kblin | but it was like a 10-15 minute drive from the santa clara hiatt |
| 21:46.51 | kblin | so I'm pretty sure that still was santa clara |
| 21:47.04 | kblin | I think I could still see a yahoo building |
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| 21:47.42 | rbuels | what are the 'pending acceptance' proposals in the listing based on? just Melange picking the N highest-scored proposals based on your org's slot allocation? |
| 21:48.00 | kblin | rbuels: that's my assumption |
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| 21:48.12 | jkwood | Mentor allocation and voting score. |
| 21:48.35 | rbuels | jkwood: oh, so proposals without an allocated mentor are blocked from 'pending acceptance'? |
| 21:48.40 | rbuels | that would make sense |
| 21:48.43 | jkwood | Exactly. |
| 21:48.50 | rbuels | nods |
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| 21:49.21 | Ivanovic | rbuels: n highest with mentor assigned |
| 21:49.27 | rbuels | and the 'pending acceptance' list updates automatically as scores changed, it's just based on the score ordering? |
| 21:49.28 | josipl | can students see if mentor was assigned to them? |
| 21:49.45 | rbuels | is just making sure of things so he can be sure to direct his org's mentors right |
| 21:49.49 | Ivanovic | josipl: if it is like last year: no |
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| 21:50.17 | Ivanovic | especially since assinged mentors mean almost zero regarding "accepted" |
| 21:50.54 | Ivanovic | what counts in the end is that there is a mentor assigned *and* that the student is in the top X (where X=slot number for project) |
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| 21:52.42 | josipl | Ivanovic: oh, good, I was already worried as I remembered someone talking yesterday about mentors column or something like that |
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| 21:56.25 | Lennie | josipl, the ammount of avaiable mentors influences your assigned slot count |
| 21:56.31 | Lennie | that is what the discussion was about |
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| 21:56.41 | Lennie | and yes only projects with a mentor will be accepted |
| 21:56.48 | Lennie | the top X with a mentor :) |
| 21:56.59 | LawG | students: Have any of you recieved comments/questions about your propsoal?? |
| 21:57.40 | kblin | LawG: wait, you haven't? let me check up on your proposal |
| 21:57.44 | josipl | LawG: I got two (positive ones) for one proposal and zero on the other |
| 21:58.03 | LawG | kblin: None that I can see |
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| 21:58.26 | kblin | LawG: you might want to try and catch up with tridge on IRC, I think |
| 21:58.31 | kblin | that usually works best |
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| 21:58.45 | LawG | kblin: Okay, sounds good, thanks! |
| 21:59.08 | LawG | josipl: nice, good work :) |
| 21:59.19 | kblin | long story short, depends on both org and mentors :) |
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| 22:04.29 | bawr | I've got some comments, but on IRC. I guess they don't want paper trail. ;) |
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| 22:14.44 | kblin | bawr: yeah, IRC is better |
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| 22:15.33 | kblin | bawr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 22:17.06 | bawr | kblin: Am I going to nerd rage when I see that? |
| 22:17.38 | kblin | it just explains why IRC is perfect for not leaving a paper trail ;) |
| 22:18.06 | baer | rofl |
| 22:18.10 | baer | nice vid ;) |
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| 22:18.38 | bawr | But... but... IT'S NOT A PROGRAM! IT'S A PROTOCOL- *chokes* |
| 22:18.47 | bawr | See, this is why I don't watch these things. |
| 22:19.10 | jmole | hahahahaha |
| 22:19.21 | sreich | haha, hilarious |
| 22:19.26 | jmole | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.27 | jmole | wow. |
| 22:19.29 | bawr | ... |
| 22:19.33 | sreich | yeah.. |
| 22:19.35 | bawr | Goddamn it, it got worse. |
| 22:19.52 | sreich | leetspeak with all kinds of backslashes and such, it seems :D |
| 22:20.11 | baer | 7nick the_fist |
| 22:20.13 | baer | ups |
| 22:20.48 | sreich | good thing she took a screenshot though, otherwise she would *never* be able to see that conversation again |
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| 22:21.42 | bawr | I loved the "suspense lol" comment. |
| 22:22.56 | bawr | ...and now I have this perverse urge to see some of those horrible horrible CSI shows. :/ |
| 22:23.07 | bawr | kblin: Damn you. |
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| 22:24.43 | d4ddi01 | That SO hot! |
| 22:24.51 | d4ddi01 | lulz |
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| 22:37.10 | bawr | kblin: Also, I object. The bad guys never use SSL and public key cryptography in those movies. :( |
| 22:41.33 | danderson | bawr: yes they do, but those bad guys never get caught |
| 22:41.46 | danderson | and thus make for a really bad CSI story. |
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| 22:42.03 | danderson | "Aw crap, they're using GPG. Oh well. How about that coffee?" |
| 22:42.13 | sreich | hehe |
| 22:42.34 | Crix- | !numapps |
| 22:42.34 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 22:44.10 | bawr | Actually, I fear it would be more like... |
| 22:44.31 | ojwb | or "drug him and hit him with this $5 wrench" http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 22:44.36 | bawr | "Aw crap, they're using GPG... I'll need a few hours." |
| 22:45.36 | bawr | ojwb: See, that's why you add a fake pass and chaff. |
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| 22:45.39 | baer | so its way healthier to use leet speak |
| 22:45.44 | bawr | Or a fake pass that destroys everything. |
| 22:45.49 | baer | and if you're lucky no one can "speak" it ;) |
| 22:46.17 | ojwb | just leads a very dull life |
| 22:46.28 | ojwb | ... by day |
| 22:47.23 | schumaml | quote from a security expert: "don't protect anything that worth more then EUR 5000 just by a finger print scanner" |
| 22:48.17 | schumaml | apparently "finger x from person y" has a price tag in that region |
| 22:48.57 | bawr | What. |
| 22:49.17 | bawr | Also, protecting anything just with a print scanner is retarded. |
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| 22:50.23 | sreich | would like to keep fingers |
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| 22:52.37 | schumaml | bawr: "we need this person's right index finger!" "ok, that's EUR 4500" |
| 22:53.06 | schumaml | he said that this is helpful when discussing the security strategy with the customer |
| 22:54.09 | schumaml | (might have been Lutz Donnerhacke - German usenet users may know him- but I'm not sure) |
| 22:54.55 | schumaml | at least I'm pretty sure that this has been discussed on de.alt.sysadmin.recovery |
| 22:55.18 | ojwb | so GSoC ~= 1 finger? |
| 22:55.21 | bawr | ASR has counterparts in other languages? Huh. |
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| 22:56.15 | ojwb | hmm, so from this we can conclude that the USA is worth less the EUR 5000 |
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| 23:03.16 | yonij | !timeline |
| 23:03.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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