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| 01:06.16 | obvio171 | is it ok for me to post my submitted proposal online (like on my blog) before the accepted ones are announced? |
| 01:06.53 | summatusmentis | as far as I'm aware, yes |
| 01:07.01 | summatusmentis | do bear in mind, I'm not an official answer |
| 01:07.33 | sreich | why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:07.53 | sreich | you own it :) |
| 01:08.14 | obvio171 | just to make sure :) |
| 01:08.16 | obvio171 | is leslie still working on this gsoc or has she left already? who's in charge now? |
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| 01:09.40 | summatusmentis | I'm fairly certain carols is in charge now |
| 01:10.36 | ojwb | leslie left about 2 weeks ago now |
| 01:11.08 | ojwb | obvio171: yes, that's fine - you wrote it after all |
| 01:11.21 | ojwb | well, hopefully - if you didn't, there's something very wrong going on... |
| 01:11.26 | obvio171 | heheh |
| 01:11.32 | obvio171 | i did :) |
| 01:11.51 | sreich | lol |
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| 01:12.19 | ojwb | it's good to have examples of proposals public - it helps new students know what they should be aiming for |
| 01:12.28 | summatusmentis | I mean, make sure that you don't present it as "my proposal that got me accepted" |
| 01:12.36 | summatusmentis | but that sort of goes without saying |
| 01:12.39 | obvio171 | sure |
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| 03:05.19 | anth_x | we have a student proposal roughly in the middle of our "accepted" field. the proposal has an assigned mentor, and the student has only one proposal with us. yet it's marked as pending rejection. any way of determining why? |
| 03:06.12 | jkwood | Not enough people voted, perhaps? That would be the only thing I can think of. |
| 03:06.26 | jkwood | I could be very wrong, though - haven't experienced that. |
| 03:07.12 | zooko | Maybe it moved around after it got that flag. |
| 03:07.21 | zooko | Just guessing. I think I might have seen some lag on mine today. |
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| 03:13.24 | anth_x | hrm. i'd assumed that was dynamic. |
| 03:13.30 | anth_x | i don't *think* it moved, but it's possible. |
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| 03:18.47 | skbohra | good morning world! |
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| 03:43.32 | codestasher | !timeline |
| 03:44.17 | adimania | Hello World |
| 03:44.29 | mmadia | <!socinfo> http://socghop.appspot.com |
| 03:45.10 | mmadia | codestasher : looks like socinfo's away on vacation or for repairs |
| 03:45.48 | codestasher | yeah |
| 03:47.54 | adimania | I wonder what is the most popular bot holiday location |
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| 03:48.52 | ojwb | Newton Abbot? |
| 03:49.03 | mmadia | maybe some place where lug nuts grow on trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Bot_Planet |
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| 04:23.48 | rajat | is the official number of slots assigned out yet? |
| 04:25.02 | skbohra | rajat: imo its not something that students need to know :) |
| 04:25.19 | skbohra | i may be wrong :) |
| 04:25.23 | dberkholz | rajat: the total? pretty sure that's in the faq |
| 04:25.36 | dberkholz | if you mean for all orgs, not just the one you applied to |
| 04:26.02 | rajat | i think atutor got only four |
| 04:26.05 | ojwb | faq says 1000 |
| 04:26.11 | dberkholz | anth_x: it's below the number of slots you got |
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| 04:26.32 | dberkholz | anth_x: but i have seen some sporadic glitches too. seems better for me now |
| 04:26.36 | mmadia | [13:38] <socinfo> "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 04:26.43 | ojwb | rajat: the numbers aren't finalised yet |
| 04:27.07 | ngupta | Hi! Anyone here applied to Linux Foundation? Received any application reviews/comments from them till now? |
| 04:27.35 | mmadia | and no, 13:38 is not utc ;) |
| 04:27.37 | skbohra | socinfo we really miss you, come back soon |
| 04:28.10 | rajat | ojwb: not yet? they said we'd know on tuesday |
| 04:28.11 | mmadia | we should socinfo learn hug as "i missed you too." :) |
| 04:28.28 | ojwb | rajat: there are preliminary allocations made |
| 04:28.39 | ojwb | but it can (and will) change in the coming days |
| 04:29.27 | anth_x | dberkholz: maybe, kinda. |
| 04:29.28 | dberkholz | it is really hard to make these deadlines when you've got a lot of proposals to get through... |
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| 04:29.43 | anth_x | i was confused by the fact that there are two which show up visually below it on our list. |
| 04:30.09 | anth_x | but they're the same score. i guess at that point melange decides randomly (after accounting for things like assigned mentors) |
| 04:30.40 | dberkholz | alphabetical by name of student, mentor, or proposal title? =) |
| 04:31.18 | anth_x | i can't find a pattern. |
| 04:31.28 | anth_x | but whatever, doesn't really matter. i'd missed that they're the same score. |
| 04:32.02 | anth_x | we'll figure out our desired order and make sure there's no score overlap. if it still shows up then i'll look into it more. |
| 04:32.57 | anth_x | i like this year's presentation a lot better. allowing for openings (high-ranked proposals w/ no mentors, duplicated students, &c) makes it much nicer than just having the "magic line" like last year. |
| 04:33.58 | dberkholz | what i really want is exclusive groups -- where if multiple people apply to the same idea, i can say i only want 1 to get picked |
| 04:34.34 | dberkholz | i'll end up doing basically that by force-ranking at the end |
| 04:35.00 | anth_x | yup, same. |
| 04:35.37 | anth_x | but i think this makes faking the "exclusive groups" easier, as i can just unassign a mentor rather than mucking with the rankings. |
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| 04:42.23 | mmadia | !socinfo can be found on socghop.appspot.com |
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| 04:57.43 | siri1 | Did anyone know how many slots kde got this year?? |
| 04:58.10 | jkwood | I bet the KDE people do. |
| 04:58.19 | jkwood | And if you use their official channels to ask, they might tell you. |
| 04:59.06 | siri1 | jkwood: ok.. |
| 04:59.07 | ojwb | even if they do, it's not useful information unless you know how many applications they have which they think are better than yours... |
| 04:59.36 | ojwb | probably better not to distract them from the task of digging through their pile (kde are a big org) |
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| 05:00.18 | ojwb | the numbers aren't finalised yet either |
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| 05:00.43 | anth_x | prior to the lists we'll be getting from carol's folks, is there a way of telling which students have applied to multiple orgs? (besides asking them, obviously) |
| 05:00.48 | jkwood | Hopefully they're kind and donate some slots to us. |
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| 05:00.59 | jkwood | anth_x: Nope. |
| 05:01.07 | anth_x | k. i'll be patient. :-) |
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| 05:05.26 | irahul | how many students have applied for gsoc this year ? |
| 05:06.09 | irahul | any statistics ..?? |
| 05:06.14 | asmeurer | !numstudents |
| 05:06.16 | rajat | irahul: 5539 |
| 05:06.27 | asmeurer | or something like that |
| 05:06.35 | asmeurer | !stats |
| 05:06.41 | rajat | thats the number of proposals btw. not students necessarily |
| 05:06.43 | irahul | !stats |
| 05:06.43 | skbohra | bot is on holiday |
| 05:06.52 | asmeurer | I noticed :| |
| 05:07.09 | asmeurer | wasn't it around the same last year? |
| 05:07.20 | asmeurer | with around 3000 actual students |
| 05:07.27 | BHSPitMonkey | 12:10 < socinfo> "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 05:16.29 | BHSPitMonkey | Hmm. So approximately 1 in 5.5 proposals will be accepted. |
| 05:16.45 | skbohra | if i submitted 2 ? |
| 05:16.48 | BHSPitMonkey | That's promising, I suppose! :P |
| 05:16.57 | BHSPitMonkey | skbohra: your chances are doubled! |
| 05:17.08 | skbohra | hehe |
| 05:17.28 | ashitosh | :) |
| 05:17.33 | BHSPitMonkey | If you submitted 4430, you would be guaranteed at least one |
| 05:17.42 | ojwb | you can't submit more than 20 |
| 05:17.44 | skbohra | we can only submit 20 |
| 05:17.47 | skbohra | :( |
| 05:17.49 | BHSPitMonkey | That's what aliases are for! |
| 05:17.55 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 05:17.57 | skbohra | i see , smart |
| 05:17.58 | ojwb | and if you did, I'd be impressed if you got any accepted |
| 05:18.24 | BHSPitMonkey | You could get that many Google Voice numbers probably |
| 05:18.26 | ojwb | writing one good proposal takes time |
| 05:18.27 | BHSPitMonkey | Make it seem more legit |
| 05:19.25 | BHSPitMonkey | Though I suppose if you wrote 4440 proposals, the total would be 9979, and the odds would be much worse |
| 05:19.43 | BHSPitMonkey | -And- you'd be back to having no guarantee :P |
| 05:19.50 | skbohra | hack into melange and do some goodies :) |
| 05:19.56 | BHSPitMonkey | Heh |
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| 05:20.16 | BHSPitMonkey | Could you propose to spend the summer hacking a backdoor into Melange so that you could guarantee acceptance in 2011? |
| 05:20.36 | skbohra | not a bad idea |
| 05:21.12 | BHSPitMonkey | If they reject it, they're clearly against innovation |
| 05:21.29 | coppro | I'll help |
| 05:21.52 | BHSPitMonkey | coppro: group projects are against the rules, and I won't work with a cheater. |
| 05:22.06 | coppro | :P |
| 05:22.13 | BHSPitMonkey | ;) |
| 05:22.22 | coppro | I won't be in the program next year |
| 05:22.30 | coppro | well, maybe as a mentor |
| 05:22.44 | coppro | but I will have a job, because co-op programs are awesome |
| 05:23.20 | skbohra | I was just wondering, did Mark mark zuckerberg |
| 05:23.44 | skbohra | ever contributed to some open source project? |
| 05:24.17 | skbohra | did this make any sense ? |
| 05:29.29 | BHSPitMonkey | it would make more sense if it had less marks |
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| 05:30.20 | BHSPitMonkey | zuckerberg isn't a coder, but his company obviously gives back |
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| 05:30.41 | skbohra | ah that was typo |
| 05:30.50 | BHSPitMonkey | wait, maybe he was. I don't remember. |
| 05:31.16 | skbohra | he hacked into Harward student directory , i heard some where |
| 05:31.40 | LawnGnome | skbohra: Honestly, not that I can recall. Facebook didn't seem to interact much with the OSS world until relatively recently (a year, maybe two, ago). |
| 05:32.03 | skbohra | they are learning rules of the game ;) |
| 05:33.12 | skbohra | this is interesting |
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| 05:47.54 | reddragon | Anyone who has applied for berkman here? |
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| 05:49.12 | skbohras | reddragon: I heard that no one get to hear anything from them |
| 05:50.02 | reddragon | skatteola, hmm.. not always, but you have to push a lot to get someone to talk to |
| 05:50.14 | reddragon | i meant skbohras |
| 05:50.36 | skbohras | :) |
| 05:52.32 | reddragon | what have you applied for? |
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| 05:53.48 | skbohras | freifunk.net |
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| 05:55.38 | bawr | berkman.slots--; // In keeping with the tradition. |
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| 05:59.35 | bawr | skbohras: Freifunk seems to have a ton of interesting projects, which did you apply for? |
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| 06:01.04 | skbohras | bawr: yeha, I am a web guy, CMS plugins for web radio project it is |
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| 06:01.51 | bawr | Aha. What's your tool of choice? Python? Ruby? PHP? |
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| 06:02.00 | skbohras | PHP |
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| 06:04.36 | bawr | yawns |
| 06:04.42 | bawr | Oh man. I really need a nap. |
| 06:04.52 | bawr | crashes on the open source coach |
| 06:05.45 | Landon | I wish it were that easy |
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| 06:06.49 | skbohra | I must say Mark Zuckerberg is smart |
| 06:06.55 | skbohra | hides |
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| 06:07.55 | bawr | Of course he is. Facebook is incredibly pointless, and yet it made him immensely rich. |
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| 06:08.26 | Catfish_Man | Facebook isn't pointless at all. Human interaction is a great deal of what makes us who we are |
| 06:08.39 | skbohra | Catfish_Man: i agree |
| 06:08.39 | Catfish_Man | moreso than the vast majority of software, facebook taps into basic human drives and needs |
| 06:08.44 | bawr | shrugs |
| 06:08.58 | Catfish_Man | I dislike it, but that's a different story :) |
| 06:09.06 | bawr | Sorry, I don't do social networking. It seems very pointless to me personally. |
| 06:09.19 | bawr | s/do/do or get/ |
| 06:09.35 | skbohra | but its not much of a use in country like us |
| 06:10.02 | Catfish_Man | bawr: well, as an example of its usefulness (it being social networking), during conferences my friend Colin can tweet which restaurant we're at, and an impromptu party will form |
| 06:10.04 | Catfish_Man | it's rather fun |
| 06:10.52 | bawr | That works, I guess. |
| 06:12.05 | skbohra | its just ridiculous searching my name on google , gives an ad from facebook , with my name :( http://bit.ly/ciSaKV |
| 06:12.16 | skbohra | can i sue them ? |
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| 06:12.47 | bawr | Don't pay much attention to me, really. I kind of missed my time - where computers were still scary and usenet wasn't popular. |
| 06:12.54 | bawr | *when |
| 06:14.23 | ojwb | perhaps it's just me, but computers now seem scary and usenet unpopular |
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| 06:15.23 | bawr | I said "unpopular", not "spammed and abandoned". |
| 06:15.44 | coppro | skbohra: if you could prove it was your name and not anyone else's, probably |
| 06:16.45 | skbohra | hmm |
| 06:17.35 | bawr | Catfish_Man: But erh, Twitter for instant parties? More power to ya. Twitter for inane drivel and listing your meals? Not so much. Again, my very biased view. :) |
| 06:17.59 | ojwb | google won a court case about being allowed to sell trademarks as keywords, so I suspect names are fair game too |
| 06:19.16 | skbohra | in this case, face book is breaching my privacy , i think |
| 06:19.23 | skbohra | or something like that |
| 06:19.30 | Catfish_Man | bawr: also seen in twitter recently (i.e. today) for me: a paper on graph isomorphism, news that a friend of mine is ill, the bitbucket page for a new OSS project a friend started, and a great picture of an *enormous* ball of honeybees in my mom's yard :P |
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| 06:21.25 | bawr | Hm. If I grant you that it does have its uses (Well, Twitter, anyway, I'm still not convinced about Facebook. :P), can I have the isomorphism link? :) |
| 06:21.48 | Catfish_Man | bawr: http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.1808 |
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| 06:23.29 | shuvro | !numapps |
| 06:23.34 | dholbach | good morning |
| 06:24.09 | skbohra | shuvro: the bot is on holiday |
| 06:24.18 | skbohra | i am acting like a bot :D |
| 06:24.31 | shuvro | skbohra: :) |
| 06:24.40 | skbohra | 12:10 < socinfo> "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 06:26.29 | bawr | Catfish_Man: Wait, what. Isomorphism testing is in P now? |
| 06:26.48 | Catfish_Man | bawr: hacker news comments indicate that the paper is somewhat suspect |
| 06:26.52 | Catfish_Man | but if it's correct... :) |
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| 06:31.09 | bawr | Hmm. Self-promotion on Wikipedia... I remain sceptical. |
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| 06:31.37 | Catfish_Man | indeed |
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| 06:42.03 | qrng | Good morning! |
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| 06:45.53 | firc | Hi guys |
| 06:46.13 | firc | When do organizations come to know of the slots being alloted to them this year? |
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| 06:46.31 | gvallarelli | !numapps |
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| 06:47.13 | coppro | firc: I know of at least one organization that claims to know |
| 06:47.46 | firc | So google gives them the number right? |
| 06:48.05 | coppro | yeah |
| 06:48.19 | firc | hmm, then I guess they would do it before 21 |
| 06:48.40 | skbohra | its done yesterday , the initial numbers |
| 06:48.45 | ojwb | the provisional allocations have been made, but can (and will) change over the next few days |
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| 06:49.46 | firc | ah. so all organizations know the slots now? |
| 06:49.55 | firc | *number of slots |
| 06:50.25 | skbohra | yes |
| 06:50.34 | firc | cool |
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| 07:02.04 | BHSPitMonkey | Hmm. So, each org gets /on average/ slightly less than 3 slots |
| 07:02.05 | spsneo | !next |
| 07:02.22 | spsneo | BHSPitMonkey: slot distribution done? |
| 07:02.25 | spsneo | !logs |
| 07:02.57 | BHSPitMonkey | spsneo: they were sent to the orgs yesterday, but I'm just basing my average off of <total slots=1000>/<total orgs=367> |
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| 07:03.12 | spsneo | total orgs = 150 |
| 07:03.16 | spsneo | BHSPitMonkey: |
| 07:03.19 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: no, just over 6 |
| 07:03.34 | ojwb | spsneo: 151 actually I think |
| 07:03.45 | spsneo | ojwb: yeah |
| 07:03.47 | ojwb | 367 *applied* |
| 07:03.48 | BHSPitMonkey | ohhh, 367 mentoring orgs *applied* |
| 07:03.53 | BHSPitMonkey | misread |
| 07:04.04 | spsneo | ojwb: but the distribution is not uniform, I guess |
| 07:04.13 | ojwb | not even slightly |
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| 07:04.26 | BHSPitMonkey | no it's not, which is why all we know right now is an average :P |
| 07:04.33 | ojwb | the big umbrella orgs can get 30 or more |
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| 07:05.09 | ojwb | but then they also get huge numbers of applications |
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| 07:08.30 | BHSPitMonkey | are slots just in proportion to the volume of applications received? |
| 07:08.35 | BHSPitMonkey | or do they do some tweaking |
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| 07:09.12 | reddragon | BHSPitMonkey, It differs from organization to organization |
| 07:09.35 | reddragon | BHSPitMonkey, Someone like PHP might get many more slots than the newbie StatusNet |
| 07:09.53 | BHSPitMonkey | reddragon: right, I'm saying: if org x gets 50 proposals, and org y gets 500 proposals, does org y get 10 times as many slots as org x |
| 07:10.05 | BHSPitMonkey | in general |
| 07:10.14 | reddragon | BHSPitMonkey, No, not necessary at all |
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| 07:11.07 | BHSPitMonkey | I guess I see how that wouldn't be a very sound system, as it leaves an organization able to take more slots by fabricating proposals for themselves |
| 07:11.47 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: there's trust involved |
| 07:12.14 | ojwb | and if you're spotted gaming the system, you're not going to be in next year... |
| 07:12.19 | BHSPitMonkey | ojwb: obviously, but yes |
| 07:12.42 | ojwb | there's a lot of human adjustment AIUI |
| 07:14.03 | BHSPitMonkey | it's great how the human brain can fill in acronyms like that without having seen them prior. |
| 07:14.07 | reddragon | AFAIK, there is some preferential treatment to popular projects like say PHP and those who have been part of the GSoC program for quite some time (Google must obviously be happy with their results) |
| 07:16.09 | qrng | nods. |
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| 07:16.35 | qrng | Some organizations simply give more for the general betterment. |
| 07:20.12 | kai | yay, great, just what I need to get started for the day.. our dns is b0rked |
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| 07:33.39 | qrng | I love quasi random number generators. |
| 07:34.10 | Catfish_Man | that seems an appropriate irc nick then |
| 07:34.18 | qrng | Precisely. |
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| 07:37.35 | qrng | Just yesterday I was dreaming about some curious lattice that would give efficient numerical integration rules in many Bayesian statistical problems where the posterior distribution can be transformed into periodic functions on the n-dimensional hypercube. |
| 07:39.03 | mkarnicki | hi guys. my pal told me his org got 3 slots. did we have that sort of stats today? |
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| 07:41.56 | Chetan | which org? |
| 07:41.56 | BHSPitMonkey | mkarnicki: the orgs were each told their number of slots yesterday |
| 07:42.07 | mkarnicki | I see! ubuntu that is :) |
| 07:42.25 | BHSPitMonkey | Ubuntu only got 3? |
| 07:43.07 | mkarnicki | no xD |
| 07:43.14 | bawr | That would be weird. :) |
| 07:43.25 | mkarnicki | my org is ubuntu, his is.. bawr what was it :D ? |
| 07:43.40 | kai | how many slots did berkman get? |
| 07:43.45 | kai | ;) |
| 07:43.46 | BHSPitMonkey | Though I guess Ubuntu doesn't really -need- that much help, between 1) receiving trickle-down benefits from upstream changes and 2) Canonical |
| 07:43.58 | BHSPitMonkey | relative to other projects, that is |
| 07:44.07 | bawr | kai: Don't. Please, don't. |
| 07:44.47 | Chetan | ubuntu got just 3 slots? |
| 07:45.03 | kai | no |
| 07:45.05 | mkarnicki | no no ;D |
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| 07:45.15 | Chetan | ok.. |
| 07:45.20 | mkarnicki | osuosl? bawr, that was it? |
| 07:45.27 | bawr | OSUOSL. I know it decodes to noun adjective University Open Source Lab. |
| 07:45.42 | bawr | But I'm hazy on the details. |
| 07:45.50 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 07:45.52 | mkarnicki | Chetan: I was asking for ubuntu slots :) |
| 07:46.32 | kai | that's the UOSL part, I guess |
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| 07:46.52 | kai | which university is this? |
| 07:47.08 | kai | ah |
| 07:47.25 | kai | reparses bawr's sentence and decides to get a coffee first |
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| 07:47.33 | bawr | :D |
| 07:47.39 | Catfish_Man | kai: OSUOSL is the oregon state university open source lab |
| 07:47.47 | kai | yeah |
| 07:47.51 | kai | figures |
| 07:48.01 | bawr | Well, I did get the noun and adjective part right, then. :) |
| 07:48.10 | kai | my first guess was Ohio State ... |
| 07:48.27 | kai | but that didn't sound quite right |
| 07:48.49 | kai | and then my pre-coffee knowlede of US states starting with O failed me |
| 07:49.47 | bawr | I now proudly know two US states in all. |
| 07:50.56 | reddragon | LOL Uttering the B-word seems to annoy everyone here :D ;) |
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| 07:53.49 | bawr | Yeah well. |
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| 07:56.24 | qrng | kai: This is only natural having in mind that we live on the other side of the Pond. |
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| 07:57.58 | qrng | And, besides, personally I have never put my foot on the American soil, and as far as I am concerned, it could be a 'Here be dragons' land. |
| 07:58.23 | Ophiuchi | qrng: that culd be kind of cool :) |
| 07:58.26 | Ophiuchi | could |
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| 08:00.05 | qrng | Verily. |
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| 08:01.24 | qrng | Nevertheless, pardon my Euro-centric views. |
| 08:02.23 | kai | qrng: well, given that oregon isn't even flyover country, I should have thought of that :) |
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| 08:02.55 | Catfish_Man | heh. When I was in Germany I always ended up saying that Portland was "between Seattle and California" |
| 08:03.02 | Catfish_Man | it was easier than trying to be more precise ;P |
| 08:03.04 | kai | though in my recent life, everything except the bay area has been flyover country |
| 08:03.21 | kai | Catfish_Man: that was my first thought when I looked it up on the map |
| 08:03.36 | kai | oh, it's between santa clara and redmont :) |
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| 08:04.16 | qrng | chortles. |
| 08:04.18 | mlankhorst | I know where washington is, i know where california lies, alaska florida ny minneapolis and thats about it ;p |
| 08:04.29 | thiago | which washington? |
| 08:04.35 | qrng | DC, I guess. |
| 08:04.44 | scorche | mlankhorst: not hawaii? ;) |
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| 08:04.55 | thiago | knows it's in the East, but doesn't know if it's North or South of NY |
| 08:05.11 | mlankhorst | roughly, i dont know which one of the islands would be hawai |
| 08:06.37 | Catfish_Man | g'night everyone |
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| 08:08.16 | qrng | Alors, so I remembered one discussion with a dear friend of mine who lives in LA. 'Twas during that time when the war in Iraq was at its pique and bushonomics run unabashed. So I told her that it is very unfortunate that Americans think of their country as if it were a navel of the world. She looked apologetically and told me "Oh, I am not from NY!" |
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| 08:10.26 | kai | qrng: Ephraim Kishon once said that the USA is nothing but a clean suburb of New York ;) |
| 08:11.09 | qrng | Gh gh. :-) |
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| 08:14.30 | qrng | Anyhow, we can poke fun and all, but it is a great country. |
| 08:15.02 | qrng | Probably except the middle belt of it. :-D |
| 08:15.49 | qrng | I.e., the southern belt or whatever it is called. |
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| 08:20.08 | _Samo | should we mail Carol to get in the waiting list? |
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| 08:21.47 | kai | hi carols |
| 08:21.54 | carols | hi kai |
| 08:22.14 | carols | _Samo: yes, as it said in my email, mail me offlist and I can get you on the waitlist |
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| 08:22.36 | carols | do you ever sleep, kai? it seems like you are up no matter what hour of the day it is :-) |
| 08:22.40 | Ophiuchi | carols: doesn't everybody? :) |
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| 08:23.10 | carols | Ophiuchi: yes, i guess I am one of those silly people who actually needs 8 hours every night :-) |
| 08:23.17 | skbohra | :) |
| 08:23.43 | Ophiuchi | carols: not sleep, sorry for being unclear (me too on that count), I mean asking for more slots |
| 08:24.03 | kai | carols: I get by with aroud 6-7 hours, but yes, I do sleep |
| 08:24.25 | carols | Ophiuchi: oh, well, yes. but I would much rather people emailed me so that I can handle it without spamming the mentors list :-) |
| 08:25.54 | |Kev| | You'd rather people emailed you sleep? |
| 08:26.00 | |Kev| | That sounds like a fabulous idea :) |
| 08:26.41 | qrng | Absolutely. |
| 08:28.08 | BHSPitMonkey | Is it too late to change my proposal to that? |
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| 08:28.21 | |Kev| | What, sleep distribution over SMTP? |
| 08:28.27 | BHSPitMonkey | Yeah, SoIP |
| 08:28.32 | |Kev| | I don't know, but if you do it over XMPP, I'd be interested :) |
| 08:28.58 | BHSPitMonkey | I'm saving implementation details for week 1. |
| 08:29.22 | Ophiuchi | belly-aches about having to deny good proposals |
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| 08:29.41 | |Kev| | Ophiuchi: yeah, we'll have to deny a good number of good proposals. |
| 08:30.17 | mkarnicki | :( |
| 08:30.21 | mkarnicki | too bad |
| 08:30.32 | |Kev| | Ophiuchi: what's especially unpleasant for us is that we have fewer slots than we have projects with good proposals (umbrella org), so some people won't be getting any slots for their projects this year. |
| 08:31.32 | |Kev| | But hey-ho, the slots are getting good use somewhere else, and there's always the donation pool. |
| 08:31.59 | qrng | Where could I look up how many slots Boost C++ libraries got? |
| 08:32.11 | |Kev| | qrng: unless you're a Boost mentor/admin, you can't. |
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| 08:32.39 | mkarnicki | he could ask one of the mentors |
| 08:32.53 | |Kev| | Who may not answer, but yes you can always ask. |
| 08:33.01 | qrng | nods. |
| 08:33.02 | Ophiuchi | |Kev|: it's great to get any, ack. |
| 08:33.52 | Ophiuchi | qrng: be aware that that number may not be final yet (unless the project says it should be) |
| 08:34.24 | qrng | Yes, yes. Numbers are preliminary. |
| 08:34.57 | reddragon | Ophiuchi, Which organization are you a part of? |
| 08:35.10 | Ophiuchi | plus some students may have applied with a similar project at another org, and get a project there .... hmmm. I think I have work to do. |
| 08:35.19 | Ophiuchi | reddragon: I'm admin for NetBSD |
| 08:35.27 | reddragon | Okk |
| 08:36.20 | qrng | Never used NetBSD personally, but if it is anything similar to FreeBSD, it must be cool. |
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| 08:37.00 | Ophiuchi | qrng: different kernel and internals, mostly feeling the same userland. Related packaging system. |
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| 08:37.52 | qrng | Advantages? |
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| 08:38.22 | |Kev| | Fewer characters to type in the name. Saves RSI. |
| 08:38.33 | qrng | Gh, gh. :-D |
| 08:39.25 | Ophiuchi | qrng: the blurp is 'portability', but there's also interest in networking and kernel internals research |
| 08:39.57 | Ophiuchi | qrng: cross-pollination between the BSDs is not insignificant :) |
| 08:40.48 | Ophiuchi | qrng: so if one dreams up something that doesn't totally clash with an other BSDs internals, it'll likely migrate sooner or later |
| 08:40.48 | qrng | There is a school of thought is picking up steam that kernels must be as modular as possible, the holy Grail being those microkernels; it is my understanding that BSDs are slowly converging to that direction, no? |
| 08:40.53 | reddragon | Ophiuchi, Is this the first year of NetBSD at GSoC |
| 08:41.02 | mlankhorst | nah :) |
| 08:41.13 | qrng | *that is picking up |
| 08:41.20 | reddragon | I don't see it in the 2009 list |
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| 08:41.37 | Ophiuchi | reddragon: I think we've been participating every year since it started, but it's my first year as main admin |
| 08:41.44 | reddragon | Okk |
| 08:42.27 | qrng | Felicications, Ophiuchi. |
| 08:42.36 | qrng | Erm... Congratulations. |
| 08:43.48 | Ophiuchi | qrng: thanks (moving the off-topic off) |
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| 08:45.23 | qrng | Anyway, pardon my French. |
| 08:45.48 | qrng | (Albeit I don't feel especially sorry, because I think that tout le monde devrait savoir la langue de la culture et de l'education. :-D) |
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| 08:48.34 | kai | qrng: I disagree |
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| 08:48.49 | kai | qrng: if this was 1710 maybe ;) |
| 08:49.30 | qrng | What can I say, I am stuck in the XVIIIth century. ;-D |
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| 08:51.50 | yonij | hai...Is the total no of slots still around 1000 or have they reduced it? |
| 08:52.13 | kai | !slots |
| 08:52.33 | kai | nooo |
| 08:52.46 | aghisla | no slots? |
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| 08:53.22 | yonij | ? |
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| 08:54.02 | kai | who the heck allowed socinfo to take time off in the hot phase of gsoc? |
| 08:54.50 | Mkop | he's on his 20% time |
| 08:55.01 | yonij | kai,I was talking about the initial alloc which was supposed to be yesterday |
| 08:55.16 | yonij | thats wat carols said |
| 08:55.31 | Ophiuchi | s/no/number/ |
| 08:55.36 | carols | yonij: yes, all allocations are out and visible to the orgs now |
| 08:55.40 | Ophiuchi | (may help) |
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| 08:57.10 | yonij | Ophiuchi,I was just wondering wether there has been any reduction in no of slots....my org wont be online for anthr 5 hrs |
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| 08:57.16 | mlankhorst | morningg |
| 08:57.21 | yonij | so cant ask them abt slots now |
| 08:57.33 | mlankhorst | carols: shouldn't you be asleep? ;) |
| 08:57.53 | carols | mlankhorst: well, i'm in the netherlands, so nah, I'm good. It's 11:00 :-) |
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| 09:01.03 | |Kev| | Haha. |
| 09:01.16 | |Kev| | I've just read the mail our other org admin sent to Carol. |
| 09:01.30 | svuorela | plzgivemoreslots ? |
| 09:01.38 | |Kev| | Signing emails "your humble servant in the realm" is possibly the best thing ever. |
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| 09:01.50 | Mkop | just went to check exactly how much more efficient my storage mechanism is than the old way, and was sorely disappointed. |
| 09:02.43 | |Kev| | Mkop: storage of what? |
| 09:02.53 | Mkop | images. |
| 09:02.57 | Mkop | fonts, rather |
| 09:03.10 | Mkop | it's for a microcontroller |
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| 09:03.31 | Mkop | storing it as a list of pixels vs. a bitmap |
| 09:03.31 | |Kev| | Ah, I have a solution. |
| 09:03.39 | |Kev| | Write only in Welsh. |
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| 09:03.50 | dockside | lol |
| 09:03.56 | |Kev| | Granted, you'd need 28 letters of the alphabet, but several are composites of other letters. |
| 09:03.59 | |Kev| | You're welcome. |
| 09:04.27 | dockside | there must be fonts that are composed from a few set of elements you can use |
| 09:04.46 | dockside | rather then uniqe pixelmaps for each one |
| 09:05.12 | Mkop | you see, the cool thing about my method is that it's very easy to change to a new font |
| 09:05.27 | yonij | can anyone help me out a bit on next page (next page detection) problem in a crawler pls |
| 09:05.28 | mlankhorst | carols: Where? :O |
| 09:05.35 | Mkop | I have a matlab script that generates the microcontroller's data file from a monochrome bitmap |
| 09:05.43 | carols | mlankhorst: Delft. hanging out with the awesome Melange guys :-) |
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| 09:06.27 | |Kev| | wonders if 'awesome' is used as a description, or a subset-selection. |
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| 09:07.06 | kai | |Kev|: description, they're all cool, except for Lennie |
| 09:07.09 | kai | oh, hi Lennie |
| 09:07.10 | |Kev| | Heh. |
| 09:07.13 | mlankhorst | carols: so, you gave an impersonal apology to an impersonal reply? ;) |
| 09:07.19 | Mkop | so using a new font requires: 1) opening MSPaint (or GIMP, as you wish) 2) creating text with the desired character set 3) saving as monochrome bmp, 4) changing one parameter at the top of the m-file (unless you used the same file name as before), and 5) clicking run. Tada! |
| 09:07.24 | Lennie | hello |
| 09:07.49 | carols | mlankhorst: i'm trying to be considerate. i know being told you're on a waitlist on someone's computer somewhere isn't very satisfying :-) |
| 09:07.50 | |Kev| | Mkop: I worry about any instructions where the first step is 'open MSPaint' :) |
| 09:07.56 | dockside | sounds like a long bothersome toolchain :) |
| 09:08.17 | Mkop | I actually tried to make matlab automatically create the bitmap, but it was too hard |
| 09:08.21 | dockside | i like to practice zero clicks in mine |
| 09:08.23 | kai | |Kev|: you need the Gimp branch then |
| 09:08.58 | |Kev| | I was about to make a joke about "No, I'd rather edit the bitmap in emacs", until I realised that there probably is a major-mode for that, somewhere. |
| 09:09.29 | dockside | hm, there is no easy way to make matlab render a bitman with text? |
| 09:09.31 | kai | vim has syntax highlighting support for XPM, I bet macs has the same ;) |
| 09:09.37 | yonij | can anyone help me out a bit on next page (next page detection) problem in a crawler pls (in perl) ? |
| 09:09.55 | Mkop | dockside: you can create an empty image and draw text in it |
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| 09:10.00 | kai | ew |
| 09:10.31 | Mkop | but then you need to grab the figure from the screen and somehow get that back to a bitmap representation |
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| 09:11.54 | Mkop | this isn't good. it's 5am, I have 8 hours of class today (starting at 9), and I'm on IRC |
| 09:12.02 | dockside | nice |
| 09:12.07 | Mkop | nice?! |
| 09:12.15 | dockside | hehe |
| 09:12.23 | dockside | got a lot of work done this night? |
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| 09:12.49 | Mkop | not really |
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| 09:12.57 | dockside | ah then =( |
| 09:13.15 | Mkop | I made progress with my font script |
| 09:13.18 | Mkop | but that wasn't urgent |
| 09:13.30 | Mkop | I didn't finish the homework that's due tonight |
| 09:13.35 | Mkop | i.e. Wed. night |
| 09:13.37 | dockside | he |
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| 09:16.37 | Mkop | the question is, do I go to sleep now, or do I go for a quick run, get a shower, and officially declare that Tuesday has become Wednesday and I'm up early rather than late? |
| 09:16.51 | Mkop | add "drink a red bull" in there somewhere |
| 09:17.09 | aghisla | :s |
| 09:17.15 | dockside | tbh sleep 2h if you can |
| 09:17.26 | dockside | it but not more |
| 09:17.49 | Mkop | problem is, I won't wake up |
| 09:18.26 | |Kev| | Sleep 20 minutes, then. |
| 09:18.40 | dockside | yeah, stay out of the deep sleep |
| 09:18.43 | Lennie | don't sleep 2 hours |
| 09:18.45 | Lennie | REM is bad :P |
| 09:18.57 | Mkop | let me try 20 minutes on my desk |
| 09:19.16 | dockside | time for uberman sleepcycle :) |
| 09:19.18 | Mkop | after that, a run, a redbull, a shower, and I'm OFF! |
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| 09:27.41 | kai | carols: thanks for the quick reply. :) |
| 09:28.30 | carols | kai: of course. thanks for the updates from your end :-) |
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| 09:31.48 | mlankhorst | carols: I know, it was just amusing, I know how much work you have on gsoc :) |
| 09:33.12 | carols | mlankhorst: it'll get a lot quieter in a few weeks here. :-) |
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| 09:33.43 | mlankhorst | carols: so naive ;) |
| 09:34.13 | carols | mlankhorst: well, i got to have some sort of hope, yes? |
| 09:34.17 | mlankhorst | :D |
| 09:34.29 | Lennie | only 339 people here :p |
| 09:34.35 | Lennie | will be a lot more on April the 26th :D |
| 09:34.36 | mlankhorst | carols: just make sure you have tons of coffee |
| 09:34.46 | kai | actually, I guess it will get quieter |
| 09:35.04 | aghisla | carols: you can always join #gsoc for a tea :) |
| 09:35.14 | carols | mlankhorst: yes, lots of coffee. ;-) |
| 09:35.18 | carols | aghisla: i can! |
| 09:35.22 | carols | plops down on the couch |
| 09:35.27 | carols | has some tea |
| 09:35.29 | carols | :-) |
| 09:35.47 | mlankhorst | well whatever keeps you bouncing around |
| 09:36.09 | mlankhorst | have some of our finest wiet while you're here ;) |
| 09:36.18 | kai | with an activity peak around the mid-term |
| 09:36.20 | kai | anyway |
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| 09:36.23 | kai | 0xf00d now |
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| 09:36.51 | |Kev| | What a good idea. |
| 09:37.01 | |Kev| | If only it wasn't still only 10:30 |
| 09:37.38 | Waren | yo |
| 09:37.42 | Ophiuchi | color++ |
| 09:37.45 | scorche | points tea lovers to http://sellout.woot.com/ (though he hasnt tried either the tea or pot...but will soon) |
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| 09:38.27 | |Kev| | scorche: that looks concerning. |
| 09:38.44 | scorche | why? |
| 09:39.20 | |Kev| | I don't quite know. |
| 09:39.25 | scorche | ... |
| 09:39.34 | |Kev| | Flowers in your drink just seems odd to me. |
| 09:40.11 | |Kev| | I'm not a tea-drinker, though :) |
| 09:40.11 | scorche | have you never heard of blooming teas? |
| 09:40.11 | |Kev| | Nope, never. |
| 09:40.11 | scorche | then you werent pointed to it in the first place ;) |
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| 09:40.30 | |Kev| | :( |
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| 09:42.00 | scorche | blooming teas are actually quite neat (at least i think so) |
| 09:42.22 | scorche | has some handmade ones direct from china |
| 09:42.51 | mlankhorst | still can't drink even the simplest of teas |
| 09:43.17 | aghisla | prefers rooibos |
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| 09:43.48 | scorche | herbal tea counts in my opinion |
| 09:43.53 | scorche | <3 rooibos |
| 09:44.17 | mlankhorst | wait, it's actually called rooibos in english? |
| 09:44.19 | mlankhorst | o_o |
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| 09:46.05 | scorche | well, some call it red bush or african red bush, but generally it is rooibos |
| 09:46.17 | mlankhorst | cute |
| 09:46.55 | mlankhorst | ah, afrikaans, no wonder it sounded dutch-ish |
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| 09:59.00 | Lennie | it is exactly the same in dutch |
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| 10:06.00 | killerchicken | As a mentor, I cannot add private comments to a proposal nor give it a score. Is this a known problem? Any idea what I can do about it? |
| 10:06.49 | |Kev| | It's not known to me, but that doesn't mean much. |
| 10:07.07 | Lennie | killerchicken: Try loggin out and logging in again |
| 10:08.41 | killerchicken | ah! Now I get it. If I follow a link from the notifications area, I cannot score nore add a private comment. |
| 10:08.43 | killerchicken | heh. |
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| 10:09.45 | Lennie | give me the link you are using |
| 10:09.49 | Lennie | please :) |
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| 10:10.16 | killerchicken | hm? |
| 10:10.28 | Lennie | the url |
| 10:10.31 | killerchicken | ah, you have +o. I'll assume you're not a bad person then :) |
| 10:10.38 | killerchicken | Just a second |
| 10:10.47 | Lennie | you can post the link publicly |
| 10:10.50 | Lennie | it is not like anyone can see it :P |
| 10:11.01 | Lennie | *everyone can see the contents of the proposal and comments |
| 10:11.18 | killerchicken | I am leaking who applied, though. |
| 10:11.24 | killerchicken | Not a nice thing. I'll pm you. |
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| 10:49.58 | |Kev| | is pondering whether it's wrong to get lunch before midday. |
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| 10:52.09 | Lennie | no |
| 10:52.15 | Lennie | because it is midday somewhere else in the world :) |
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| 10:52.36 | |Kev| | Works for me ): |
| 10:52.37 | |Kev| | :) |
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| 10:55.32 | lolfrenz | has anyone received comments on their proposals yet? |
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| 10:56.18 | firc | lolfrenz: that would depend on your organization. |
| 10:56.44 | lolfrenz | for any organization. |
| 10:57.17 | |Kev| | Yes, students have received comments. |
| 10:57.41 | lolfrenz | but there's no need to worry if one hasn't received any is there? |
| 10:57.59 | |Kev| | No. |
| 10:57.59 | epps | maybe your organization doesnt like you lolfrenz |
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| 10:58.35 | ojwb | lolfrenz: you could try asking your org... |
| 10:58.46 | Lennie | wow |
| 10:58.47 | Lennie | flashback |
| 10:58.53 | Lennie | someone asked the same thing yesterday :P |
| 10:59.05 | ojwb | and several times in between... |
| 10:59.07 | lolfrenz | flashback reminds me of watching Lost |
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| 11:00.37 | Snashaptak | i have not received any comments. how should i contact my organisation ? |
| 11:01.00 | killerchicken | your organization should have some contact information published |
| 11:01.04 | Chainsaw | Snashaptak: IRC, telephone, smoke signals. |
| 11:01.07 | Chainsaw | Snashaptak: In that order. |
| 11:01.27 | Snashaptak | they don't have an IRC |
| 11:01.42 | Snashaptak | telephone looks so obsolete |
| 11:01.47 | ojwb | their page in the webapp should give contact info |
| 11:02.18 | Snashaptak | and i have tried somke signals many times but the power plants around here baah ! |
| 11:03.22 | Snashaptak | i was not asking of the means but what should i ask them ! :D |
| 11:03.53 | ojwb | "is there anything I can do to improve my proposal" |
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| 11:04.16 | Snashaptak | can we improve the proposal now ? |
| 11:04.23 | Lennie | nope |
| 11:04.26 | Lennie | proposals are locked |
| 11:04.31 | Lennie | you can leave a comment though |
| 11:04.34 | Lennie | for the org to read |
| 11:04.45 | Snashaptak | oh! |
| 11:06.12 | Snashaptak | @ ojwb than your suggestion is void ! :) |
| 11:06.51 | ojwb | Snashaptak: no, you can make a copy and improve that |
| 11:07.04 | ojwb | or put improved sections in comments |
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| 12:06.21 | Lennie | carols, took my water! |
| 12:06.24 | Lennie | gief back :p |
| 12:06.51 | carols | sticks out her tongue at Lennie |
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| 12:07.02 | Lennie | you got that one back in RL :) |
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| 12:14.37 | kai | Lennie: now now, you're supposed to be an example for the students in here |
| 12:14.45 | Lennie | hmm |
| 12:14.47 | Lennie | I'm not a student :P |
| 12:15.12 | kai | Lennie: although being a negative example probably works as well |
| 12:15.17 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 12:15.29 | killerchicken | I look up to Lennie as the sole role model. I strive to match his behaviour in any situation that I find myself in. |
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| 12:16.59 | aghisla | http://www.snorgtees.com/beawarning-p-1094.html?osCsid=ef92eae9880750ba88a6079fa82b26f9 |
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| 12:17.22 | carols | aghisla: i like that shirt. i may have to buy one :-) |
| 12:17.26 | Lennie | back |
| 12:17.28 | aghisla | :D |
| 12:17.32 | Lennie | I missed the part where I was crowned king :P? |
| 12:17.43 | Lennie | thanks killerchicken :P |
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| 12:20.09 | Dark_Shikari | prefers http://www.snorgtees.com/maythemassxacceleration-p-903.html |
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| 12:20.50 | kai | hehe |
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| 12:27.57 | kai | actually my favourite is the pi and i one :) |
| 12:28.32 | aghisla | hahahaha |
| 12:30.43 | qrng | What do I choose if I prefer starched shirts and bowties. :-/ |
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| 12:34.00 | YuviPanda | 7.5$ for international shipping... |
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| 12:34.31 | Dark_Shikari | http://www.snorgtees.com/idrinkyourmilkshake-p-486.html |
| 12:36.34 | kai | in #gsoc, I'd probably wear the "I am disappointment in you're grammar" one, though |
| 12:36.41 | YuviPanda | means over a 1000k INR for anything from snorgtees :( |
| 12:37.28 | aghisla | kai :D |
| 12:38.45 | reddragon | YuviPanda, 1000k INR? Do you mean 1000 INR? :P |
| 12:38.45 | qrng | kai: I don't think this applies to GSoC members. |
| 12:39.08 | kai | but I'm actually not buying t-shirts these days, I get so many free ones each year |
| 12:39.18 | qrng | For free? |
| 12:39.23 | YuviPanda | reddragon: ugh, yeah. |
| 12:39.34 | kai | free shirts usually are free :) |
| 12:39.36 | YuviPanda | reddragon: we aren't zimbabwe.... yet. |
| 12:39.48 | reddragon | YuviPanda, LOL I was just kidding :P |
| 12:40.07 | reddragon | YuviPanda, Where did you apply? |
| 12:40.11 | YuviPanda | reddragon: GNOME |
| 12:40.19 | YuviPanda | reddragon: working on Cheese, the webcam application :) |
| 12:40.19 | qrng | Cheese in the mousetrap is for free. |
| 12:40.38 | kai | yeah, and useless |
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| 12:41.16 | YuviPanda | reddragon: you? |
| 12:41.25 | kai | most mice here prefer bacon or chocolate |
| 12:42.12 | Chainsaw | Can't say I blame them :) |
| 12:42.15 | reddragon | YuviPanda, GNOME is awesome! I applied at Berkman.. :) |
| 12:42.18 | qrng | Coffee and cigarettes. |
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| 12:42.30 | qrng | LOTS of them. |
| 12:42.33 | kai | reddragon: oh, indeed? |
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| 12:43.18 | reddragon | YuviPanda, yeah.. I guess a lot of people did. And all of them come to this channel, since there is hardly any activity there. So Berkman applicants have been annoying everyone here :P |
| 12:43.33 | reddragon | there = in the Berkman channel |
| 12:43.48 | YuviPanda | reddragon: what was your application about? |
| 12:43.54 | reddragon | reddragon, Asset Tracker |
| 12:44.09 | reddragon | kai, yes |
| 12:44.23 | kai | good luck then :) |
| 12:44.45 | qrng | Asset Tracker, hmm... sounds similar to GNU Cash. |
| 12:44.47 | reddragon | kai, Am I missing something? I hope Berkman has sufficient slots :) |
| 12:45.15 | reddragon | They prefer it to be in Ruby on Rails, because anything else would infeasible :) |
| 12:45.21 | kai | reddragon: no idea actually |
| 12:45.28 | YuviPanda | reddragon: infeasible? |
| 12:46.16 | reddragon | YuviPanda, they are familiar with Rails and prefer everything in Ruby.. so they said any other language would be 'infeasible' |
| 12:46.25 | YuviPanda | reddragon: ah, org choice |
| 12:46.44 | reddragon | YuviPanda, yeah.. |
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| 12:49.57 | adimania | Hello! |
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| 12:50.18 | danderson | carols_: ping? |
| 12:50.24 | carols_ | danderson: pong |
| 12:50.33 | kai | danderson: do you happen to remember who runs socinfo? |
| 12:50.37 | danderson | carols_: isn't it early in your place? |
| 12:50.39 | r0bby|android | Good morning carols_ |
| 12:50.44 | kai | danderson: she's in delft |
| 12:50.48 | danderson | kai: that would be mem. And yes, I accidentally nuked my server. |
| 12:50.50 | carols_ | danderson: im in .nl with the melange guys :-) |
| 12:50.51 | r0bby|android | Why on gods green earth are you up? |
| 12:50.58 | danderson | s/mem/me/ |
| 12:51.02 | carols_ | r0bby|android: goog morning :-) |
| 12:51.07 | r0bby|android | Er nvm |
| 12:51.13 | danderson | kai: socinfo will be restored as soon as I've restored the rest of the system from backups |
| 12:51.17 | danderson | don't panic. |
| 12:51.18 | kai | danderson: ah, ok, fair enough, so the person responsible is aware of it |
| 12:51.31 | danderson | yeah |
| 12:51.41 | danderson | this is how a kernel update turns into a complete system reinstallation... :( |
| 12:51.43 | r0bby|android | I may do a melange patch and scratch an itch I had |
| 12:51.57 | kai | r0bby|android: knock youself out |
| 12:52.01 | kai | or do the patch |
| 12:52.04 | kai | your pick |
| 12:52.07 | danderson | carols_: so, I have an org mentor that's confused by a change to the melange UI. He says all their proposals are now pending approval/rejection |
| 12:52.07 | kai | ;) |
| 12:52.15 | danderson | but the timeline says nothing about this, and he doesn't know what this means |
| 12:52.20 | r0bby|android | I wanna save progress of a proposal w/o submitting it |
| 12:52.25 | danderson | halp? |
| 12:52.33 | kai | danderson: that's just the new status |
| 12:52.44 | danderson | carols_: also, if you're in europe, you should drop by zrh for a bit! |
| 12:52.48 | carols_ | danderson: yes, the ones that are ranked such that they will be accepted based on slot allocations are in green, the ones that are ranked below their allocations are in red |
| 12:52.50 | kai | danderson: ever since the preliminary number of slots was announced |
| 12:52.56 | danderson | carols_: aha, ok. |
| 12:53.03 | danderson | kai: they were announced? |
| 12:53.09 | danderson | (you see how closely I'm following) |
| 12:53.12 | carols_ | danderson: i also reiterated this in the email yesterday |
| 12:53.23 | carols_ | danderson: slots were released to orgs yesterday, yes |
| 12:53.36 | carols | grumbles at colloquy |
| 12:53.44 | danderson | carols: ah, yeah, got it. Missed that email while scanning my inbox. |
| 12:53.47 | danderson | thanks! |
| 12:53.58 | r0bby|android | I hope I get accepted :( |
| 12:53.58 | carols | danderson: yw. when should i come to zurich? :-) |
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| 12:54.30 | danderson | carols: whenever you want? :P |
| 12:54.33 | tobier | aw, no comments yet |
| 12:54.38 | tobier | I wonder if that's a good thing xD |
| 12:54.48 | danderson | just a suggestion, since we have an awesome office and all that :) |
| 12:54.49 | kai | tobier: talk to you mentors |
| 12:54.51 | r0bby|android | carols: when openeverything nyc happens you must come to ny |
| 12:54.56 | carols | danderson: tempting! |
| 12:55.07 | carols | r0bby|android: a great idea. when is it? |
| 12:55.08 | kai | carols: and fondue ;) |
| 12:55.24 | carols | kai: mmm...fondue. |
| 12:55.28 | tobier | kai: you mean email the project? :P |
| 12:55.33 | r0bby|android | John britton is still working it out |
| 12:55.50 | kai | tobier: yeah, or catch them on IRC or whatever communication channels they use |
| 12:55.59 | danderson | also rösti, and there's a place in town that serves a mean flaming beer |
| 12:56.00 | r0bby|android | tobier: yes |
| 12:56.11 | aghisla | rösti rules |
| 12:56.27 | carols | mmmm beer |
| 12:56.29 | kai | tobier: most of my mentors are pretty pre-web2.0, so they don't like the webapp much |
| 12:56.49 | danderson | carols: http://www.youtube.com/trilussa#p/a/u/0/V2vfiowDBzI |
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| 12:57.00 | tobier | yeah well the project I applied for is chrome os, so I do hope they like webapps :) |
| 12:57.08 | danderson | setting fire to a glass and putting it out with beer is just metal. |
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| 12:57.28 | r0bby|android | I got positive feedback on mine, I emailed the mentor |
| 12:57.33 | r0bby|android | Make yourself known |
| 12:57.53 | r0bby|android | Don't be afraid to say hey look at me and do a silly dance |
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| 12:58.24 | tobier | hehe |
| 12:58.26 | tobier | I will, thank you |
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| 12:59.35 | r0bby|android | I need to do wire frames |
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| 13:00.50 | JSund | tobier: nice to see someone else from the CS chapter at KTH here |
| 13:01.39 | tobier | JSund: hehe |
| 13:01.46 | tobier | JSund: where did you apply? |
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| 13:02.38 | JSund | tobier: I proposed to implement the StrSafe.h library for OpenAFS |
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| 13:05.24 | Snashaptak | hey anybody out here who has applied for GeoGebra ? |
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| 13:11.51 | Lennie | I'm sure there is someone |
| 13:12.02 | Lennie | unless they got only 1 app :) |
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| 13:19.59 | YuviPanda | are the number of slots public? |
| 13:20.08 | YuviPanda | or is that mentor-admin only knowledge? |
| 13:20.09 | kai | not yet |
| 13:20.13 | Lennie | not public |
| 13:20.13 | Lennie | nor final |
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| 13:20.31 | kai | well we don't really _know_ either until the accepted proposals are announced |
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| 13:22.12 | YuviPanda | so what does everyone do in the intervening time? |
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| 13:22.23 | YuviPanda | is trying to fix some bugs in the application he applied for |
| 13:22.36 | Lennie | trying to make sure socghop is still running :P? |
| 13:22.39 | Lennie | making Carol happy |
| 13:22.42 | Lennie | etc :) |
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| 13:35.14 | yonij | !numapps |
| 13:35.36 | yonij | thats removed??? |
| 13:35.41 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !next |
| 13:35.45 | carols | sad bot is sad. |
| 13:35.48 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Someone killed the bot! |
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| 13:35.59 | SRabbelier|Lappy | socinfo is gone! |
| 13:36.08 | Merio | who killed the bot?!??! :P |
| 13:36.16 | Merio | SRabbelier, you did! |
| 13:36.17 | kai | upgrades |
| 13:36.18 | Merio | :P |
| 13:36.29 | Merio | You robot killer! |
| 13:36.29 | yonij | no one has a clone? |
| 13:36.34 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: Is it getting 1337 hardware? |
| 13:36.34 | Lennie | omg, the bot is dead? |
| 13:36.40 | kai | will be back as soon as danderson has his machine back up |
| 13:37.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: don't we have a bot CLA? |
| 13:37.06 | aghisla | who wants to substitute the bot in the meanwhile? |
| 13:37.27 | kai | Lennie: want an issue for making the "pending acceptance" proposals float up to the top of the list, all other rankings being equal? :) |
| 13:37.40 | kai | SRabbelier|Lappy: we have, we get what we pay for |
| 13:37.59 | Merio | aghisla: you can :P |
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| 13:38.13 | Lennie | kai...? |
| 13:38.47 | aghisla | Merio: ok - as test for 5 minutes |
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| 13:38.58 | Merio | !next |
| 13:39.30 | aghislabot | next is.. |
| 13:40.17 | SRabbelier|Lappy | I think the bot is still broken :( |
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| 13:40.17 | Lennie | Turing Test anyone? :) |
| 13:40.17 | kai | there, now it looks more important |
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| 13:40.29 | Merio | aghislabot seems a real bot, I think there is no human at all behind that nickname ;) |
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| 13:41.00 | kai | Lennie: it's kind of confusing to see the "pending acceptance" spread all over the lsit |
| 13:41.03 | kai | list |
| 13:41.07 | Lennie | then assign mentors :P |
| 13:41.07 | aghislabot | ah ok next is Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site, on April 26 |
| 13:41.20 | Lennie | not going to make them float up ^^ |
| 13:41.40 | SRabbelier|Lappy | kai: sort by status |
| 13:41.46 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !help |
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| 13:41.52 | Lennie | because others will say the opposite |
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| 13:41.54 | Lennie | and don't want it :P |
| 13:41.54 | aghislabot | !help is read the faq |
| 13:42.01 | SRabbelier|Lappy | !faq |
| 13:42.07 | epps | do the organization know the final accepted student proposals (with slots) before 26 April ? |
| 13:42.17 | aghislabot | !faq is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 13:42.25 | yonij | !when |
| 13:42.29 | ojwb | epps: not by much |
| 13:42.31 | aghislabot | !when is later. |
| 13:42.31 | SRabbelier|Lappy | epps: no |
| 13:42.33 | yonij | ;) |
| 13:42.35 | kai | Lennie: they have mentors assigned |
| 13:42.52 | kai | Lennie: fair enough, though |
| 13:43.02 | Lennie | we can't make everyone happy L( |
| 13:43.03 | Lennie | :( |
| 13:43.08 | kai | Lennie: that's why I asked before filing the issue |
| 13:43.10 | ojwb | epps: it's only completely finalised once it's announced, and there have been really late changes in previous years |
| 13:43.16 | Lennie | kai: thanks though |
| 13:43.19 | Merio | !timeline |
| 13:43.25 | epps | ok, thanks for the info |
| 13:43.27 | Lennie | !catherder |
| 13:43.32 | kai | Lennie: I'll just add some dud scores |
| 13:43.54 | aghislabot | catherder is meow!! |
| 13:44.04 | Lennie | kai: ok |
| 13:44.12 | Lennie | !LHC |
| 13:44.14 | aghislabot | !timeline is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline |
| 13:44.23 | aghislabot | !LHC rules :) |
| 13:44.25 | Lennie | out of order response :P |
| 13:44.29 | aghislabot | yeah sorry |
| 13:44.57 | |Kev| | aghislabot just failed the turing test, backwards :) |
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| 13:45.02 | aghislabot | D: |
| 13:45.06 | aghislabot | lol |
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| 13:45.38 | aghislabot | can i turn into aghisla again? |
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| 13:45.48 | Merio | no you can't :P |
| 13:45.57 | aghislabot | alakazam! |
| 13:45.59 | kai | |Kev|: in more aspects, actually |
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| 13:55.42 | aghisla | !next is ... now! |
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| 14:35.18 | kai | sighs |
| 14:35.28 | kai | how very annoying |
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| 14:37.50 | kai | our dns servers are still working, but the org. records seem to fail to redirect look-ups for worldforge.org to our servers |
| 14:37.59 | smtms | would that affect mail delivery? |
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| 14:38.22 | kai | likely |
| 14:38.43 | kai | it brings down all our servers, as you can't resolve their IPs anymore |
| 14:39.35 | kai | all individual machines are still alive and kicking :/ |
| 14:40.05 | drt24 | :-( |
| 14:40.21 | drt24 | has the domain expired or something silly like that? |
| 14:40.59 | kai | nope, it was renewed correctly yesterday |
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| 14:41.39 | kai | but I do have the suspicion that the renewal is related |
| 14:41.51 | Ophiuchi | Status:CLIENT HOLD |
| 14:41.51 | Ophiuchi | Status:AUTORENEWPERIOD |
| 14:42.05 | Ophiuchi | pir.org doesn't know that yet |
| 14:43.44 | kai | that might be the problem then |
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| 14:53.42 | neh | will google blog about slots allocated to various organizations before 26? |
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| 14:55.00 | yonij | !numappss |
| 14:55.10 | yonij | bot is still dead |
| 14:55.32 | neh | yonij, yep it is |
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| 14:59.08 | kai | neh: of course not |
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| 14:59.35 | kai | neh: the numbers will be official when the accepted students are announced |
| 14:59.52 | kai | slot numbers can change up to the very last minute |
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| 15:00.33 | neh | @kai, k.. thanks for info :) |
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| 15:06.34 | kai | there, git and wiki are live again |
| 15:06.47 | kai | gets back to real work |
| 15:07.24 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 15:10.06 | aghisla | !next is ... now! |
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| 15:10.33 | YuviPanda | !next |
| 15:10.50 | aghisla | !next is when the real bot will wake up again |
| 15:10.55 | Ophiuchi | YuviPanda: not a black cube :-P |
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| 15:11.17 | YuviPanda | :D |
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| 15:27.44 | adimania | any one applied for kde? |
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| 15:28.10 | smtms | noone |
| 15:28.15 | Ivanovic | no, you are most likely the only stdent who has done so |
| 15:28.40 | adimania | I am saying is anyone here who has applied? |
| 15:29.16 | Ivanovic | you should ask in the respective kde chans |
| 15:29.23 | Ivanovic | you are more likely to find someone *there* |
| 15:29.23 | dho_plan9 | adimania: They're likely being sarcastic. It's possible that there are other applicants, but this isn't the right forum for that. |
| 15:29.32 | Ivanovic | and then you can directly talk to your possible mentors, too |
| 15:29.39 | Lennie | only 1 proposal for kde |
| 15:29.42 | Lennie | therefore 0 slots :P |
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| 15:30.05 | Lennie | but yeah, you are better off in a KDE channel |
| 15:30.57 | Mek | we even have a special #kde-soc channel |
| 15:31.05 | Lennie | +1 |
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| 15:32.01 | adimania | Mek: Thanks. That is what i was looking for. |
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| 15:36.55 | YuviPanda | is sad that gnome's #soc channel is just a bunch of people idling all the time :( |
| 15:37.39 | smtms | try #kde-soc ;-) |
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| 15:39.17 | YuviPanda | tries #gnome-soc |
| 15:39.19 | anirvana | YuviPanda : can you tell me how do you write it in 'italic' ? |
| 15:39.45 | YuviPanda | anirvana: you mean an action? prefix it with /me |
| 15:40.02 | smtms | anirvana, it's not in italic here |
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| 15:40.25 | anirvana | thanks everybody |
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| 15:42.48 | YuviPanda | smtms: he's using chatzilla |
| 15:43.14 | kai | yay, we're alive again |
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| 15:43.24 | YuviPanda | !next |
| 15:43.33 | YuviPanda | !alive |
| 15:43.37 | YuviPanda | kai: nope :D |
| 15:43.40 | killerchicken | kai: who was dead? |
| 15:43.43 | aghisla | !next is YuviPanda, wait a bit |
| 15:43.46 | aghisla | !alive is False |
| 15:43.52 | Lennie | !next |
| 15:44.00 | aghisla | !next is Lennie, :P |
| 15:44.12 | YuviPanda | !prev |
| 15:44.19 | killerchicken | !prev is not !next |
| 15:44.20 | kai | not socinfo, but worldforge.org |
| 15:44.21 | YuviPanda | Turing Complete bots are so much more fun |
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| 15:44.32 | aghisla | killerchicken++ |
| 15:44.43 | smtms | YuviPanda, bots that are equivalent to turing machines? |
| 15:44.43 | killerchicken | 1up |
| 15:45.08 | aghisla | killerchicken jumps to next level |
| 15:45.16 | YuviPanda | smtms: okay, caught me there. I meant Bots that pass the Turing Test |
| 15:45.18 | kai | turing complete? |
| 15:45.22 | kai | ah |
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| 15:46.40 | spsneo | !logs |
| 15:46.42 | spsneo | !log |
| 15:47.05 | killerchicken | !logs are not available. |
| 15:47.08 | killerchicken | a !log is not kept. |
| 15:47.19 | tobier | hmm, chill out or write paper on spanning trees? |
| 15:47.33 | killerchicken | come work on Tor with me |
| 15:48.54 | aghisla | all come and work on Tor with killerchicken |
| 15:49.13 | Lennie | as long as my identity is safe :P |
| 15:49.31 | tobier | my beard is itching |
| 15:49.43 | killerchicken | Lennie: Feel free to contribute code anonymously, or attach your identity. It sure doesn't matter to us ;) |
| 15:49.48 | smtms | tobier, shave! |
| 15:49.52 | killerchicken | nah |
| 15:49.54 | killerchicken | bears are awesome |
| 15:49.56 | Lennie | :P |
| 15:50.00 | killerchicken | you can store foodz in them |
| 15:50.03 | killerchicken | erm |
| 15:50.06 | killerchicken | beards even |
| 15:50.16 | tobier | I can haz foodz in me beardz |
| 15:50.32 | killerchicken | I suppose one is able to store food in a bear, too. |
| 15:50.45 | tobier | indeed |
| 15:50.50 | killerchicken | Getting it out might be even trickier than with a beard, though |
| 15:50.51 | aghisla | i wish i had a bear(d) |
| 15:50.52 | YuviPanda | extracting it wouldn't be very pleasant, would it? |
| 15:50.58 | tobier | if you aren't careful, you'll get stored in the bear |
| 15:51.00 | killerchicken | haha YuviPanda |
| 15:51.07 | YuviPanda | had gotten rid of his beard and moustache a week or so ago |
| 15:51.15 | killerchicken | checks out several Collections implementations for the bearStore |
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| 15:51.36 | YuviPanda | killerchicken: fast inserts, but leaky removes? |
| 15:51.54 | YuviPanda | killerchicken: and messes up garbage collection too. |
| 15:51.57 | killerchicken | yeah, and they might corrupt your objects |
| 15:52.05 | tobier | *facepalm* |
| 15:52.06 | Kosma | inserts are pretty messy, to be honest |
| 15:52.32 | killerchicken | I think tobier just remembered he might not have locked his bear's cage |
| 15:53.03 | killerchicken | or he gets out his razors. Which would be a terrible, terrible mistake. |
| 15:53.04 | tobier | if you can count my girlfriend a bear, then yes, I forgot to lock her in |
| 15:53.17 | tobier | don't tell her I called here a bear though |
| 15:53.35 | killerchicken | does she consume lots of foodstuffs rapidly? |
| 15:53.46 | killerchicken | she might just qualify if she's furry all over, too. |
| 15:53.54 | tobier | neither actually |
| 15:54.04 | killerchicken | hm. Then don't go locking her in :/ |
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| 15:54.32 | YuviPanda | killerchicken: all mammals are supposed to be furry all over, no? |
| 15:54.36 | YuviPanda | killerchicken: atleast in a technical sense |
| 15:54.41 | nfl | it seems socinfo has left the channel |
| 15:54.46 | Lennie | yes |
| 15:54.46 | smtms | YuviPanda, especially dolphins |
| 15:54.50 | Lennie | robot wars have started |
| 15:54.54 | Lennie | it has been called in for duty |
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| 15:55.05 | YuviPanda | smtms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal |
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| 15:55.05 | tobier | we ain't no biology-people |
| 15:55.15 | Lennie | so we are biology people? |
| 15:55.22 | YuviPanda | smtms: "while both males and females are characterized by sweat glands, hair and/or fur, three middle ear bones used in hearing, and a neocortex region in the brain." |
| 15:55.27 | tobier | grammar fail |
| 15:55.33 | Kosma | facepalms |
| 15:55.55 | killerchicken | I'm happy to hear that my sweat glands set me aside from other beings |
| 15:56.06 | aghisla | and ear bones too |
| 15:56.21 | YuviPanda | not to mention the neocortex in the brain |
| 15:56.32 | aghisla | we could have scales on our body and cold blood |
| 15:56.35 | Lennie | give me a google brain implant and I'm ready to go :) |
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| 15:56.48 | YuviPanda | I was selectively quoting though |
| 15:56.51 | YuviPanda | "air-breathing animals whose females are characterized by the possession of mammary glands " |
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| 15:57.14 | killerchicken | Well, that's not useful |
| 15:57.19 | killerchicken | first, how do I know whether I'm female |
| 15:57.22 | meanburrito920 | Lennie: where can I get one of those? :) |
| 15:57.40 | Lennie | Come and get them at the OnSite Store Beta ^^ |
| 15:57.43 | killerchicken | and second, once I've established that I'm male, how do I know whether females have mammary glands :/ |
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| 15:57.46 | Lennie | in Mountain View :P |
| 15:58.35 | smtms | YuviPanda, I didn't get what you are trying to prove |
| 15:58.51 | YuviPanda | smtms: that all mammals have fur or hair |
| 15:59.00 | YuviPanda | smtms: dolphins don't have fur, but they do have hair |
| 15:59.17 | YuviPanda | smtms: and you did say fur |
| 15:59.23 | YuviPanda | smtms: rather, wait |
| 15:59.25 | YuviPanda | smtms: nevermind |
| 15:59.38 | smtms | YuviPanda, you said fur, I never mentioned that word |
| 16:00.26 | tobier | huh, it's actually warm out here today |
| 16:00.53 | YuviPanda | smtms: yes, you didn't. I don't know why I assumed you did |
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| 16:05.02 | killerchicken | I just love pretty colors in a diff |
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| 16:06.42 | smtms | killerchicken, if the colors aren't pretty, the diff is incorrect? |
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| 16:07.26 | killerchicken | smtms: not at all |
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| 16:08.00 | killerchicken | But I wrote a configure.in/Makefile.am patch, with lots of one-line hunks all over the place ;) |
| 16:08.38 | yonij | what is the gsoc perl chanel if any? |
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| 16:09.15 | smtms | Perl has their own IRC network AFAIK |
| 16:09.26 | smtms | and you don't need a SoC channel to talk with developers of X about X |
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| 16:11.01 | yonij | smtms.i would like to talk with some fellow gsocs..they suggested a module (perl ppl)...i want to know wether anyone who has tried it |
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| 16:11.44 | smtms | yonij, so, you've talked to them and they suggested a module (whatever that means); you can talk to them and ask them about their GSoC channel ;-) |
| 16:12.35 | yonij | oh cmon |
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| 16:28.19 | mdc | Anybody else at LFCS? |
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| 17:26.28 | yonij | Is it possible to get more than 1 slot for a single project to implement more than one idea ?? |
| 17:27.02 | |Kev| | I don't understand the question |
| 17:27.12 | |Kev| | are you asking if one student can receive more than one stipend? |
| 17:27.20 | yonij | no..no |
| 17:27.52 | yonij | see if there are many ideas that can be done for a single main project |
| 17:28.10 | yonij | and there are many students appling 4 different ideas |
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| 17:28.40 | thebolt | each mentoring organisation gets N slots, which they distribute among their students/applications |
| 17:28.41 | yonij | so will that main project get multiple slots to implement more than 1 idea |
| 17:29.03 | thebolt | not sure what you refer to as "main project".. some mentoring organisations is just one project, some cover many |
| 17:29.37 | thebolt | (and for those covering many, ie umbrella orgs, it is up to them how they distribute their slots) |
| 17:29.38 | yonij | just look into berkman...they have a proj called mediacloud |
| 17:30.01 | yonij | it has many options to implement in it |
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| 17:30.13 | yonij | many ideas i mean |
| 17:30.42 | drt24 | yonij: I think the answer to the question you are trying to ask is yes. |
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| 17:30.54 | yonij | cool |
| 17:31.02 | yonij | drt24:thanx |
| 17:31.06 | Catfish_Man | it's hard to tell for sure though |
| 17:31.09 | Catfish_Man | the question is unclear |
| 17:31.12 | yonij | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/gsoc/MediaCloud |
| 17:31.28 | yonij | there are many ideas for that project |
| 17:31.33 | yonij | 5 actually |
| 17:31.59 | yonij | so is it possible for the org to give slots for say 2 ideas |
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| 17:32.19 | |Kev| | the org can give slots to anything they want to, up to the number of slots they have. |
| 17:32.26 | |Kev| | Go ask in the berkman IRC channel >:) |
| 17:32.33 | yonij | ;) |
| 17:32.41 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: not strictly true. Orgs are discouraged from having multiple students work on the same thing |
| 17:32.47 | Catfish_Man | and in particular having one student's work depend on another |
| 17:32.58 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: Oh, I read a mail from Chris yesterday saying he'd encourage it. |
| 17:33.05 | yonij | they are independent modules |
| 17:33.08 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: really? hm, that may have changed then |
| 17:33.13 | Catfish_Man | yonij: that's fine then :) |
| 17:33.38 | yonij | yonij:great |
| 17:33.42 | yonij | ops |
| 17:33.59 | yonij | Catfish_Man:great |
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| 17:37.07 | |Kev| | Catfish_Man: I can't find it now, though. |
| 17:37.18 | |Kev| | It seems unlikely I'd be dreaming of Chris, but I suppose it's possible... |
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| 17:37.41 | Catfish_Man | |Kev|: the latter bit is the really problematic one. The former just leads to morale issues sometimes |
| 17:38.00 | |Kev| | Yes, interdependencies are begging for trouble. |
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| 17:58.37 | neurodrone | !deadline |
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| 17:58.45 | yonij | bot is dead |
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| 17:59.17 | danderson | yeah, the machine it was on got nuked. |
| 17:59.38 | danderson | I'm reinstalling it now. Socbot is safely in stasis on my backup storage. Don't panic. |
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| 18:01.50 | YuviPanda | didn't we have a human bot around.... |
| 18:03.59 | bawr | So... is he "socbot flatline" now? :) |
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| 18:07.27 | aghisla | the pseudobot was having a large slice of bread and nutella :D |
| 18:07.36 | aghisla | what did I miss? |
| 18:07.46 | YuviPanda | <neurodrone>!deadline |
| 18:07.49 | YuviPanda | <neurodrone>!next |
| 18:07.58 | aghisla | !deadline is passed. *POW* |
| 18:08.07 | aghisla | !next is ... now! |
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| 18:08.24 | YuviPanda | !bot |
| 18:08.31 | gvallarelli | !lol |
| 18:08.37 | aghisla | !bot is socinfo, not me |
| 18:08.41 | aghisla | !lol is rotfl! |
| 18:08.51 | YuviPanda | !botsnack |
| 18:09.00 | Catfish_Man | only in #gsoc could a nonexistent bot be abused |
| 18:09.11 | smtms | !botsnack is your proposal has been successfully deleted |
| 18:09.18 | aghisla | hahaha |
| 18:09.25 | gvallarelli | <:D |
| 18:09.57 | aghisla | annouce: italian would-be gsoccers, join #gsoc-it! |
| 18:10.33 | danderson | please stop that. |
| 18:10.41 | danderson | (abusing the bot when it's down) |
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| 18:10.55 | danderson | it's not cool when it's up, it's even less cool when it's down, and I can still kick and ban people without the bot. |
| 18:10.59 | danderson | now, be nice. |
| 18:11.21 | aghisla | ok |
| 18:12.05 | bawr | Grumpy, eh? Ah, well. I've created 8 pages' worth of solid content today... time for a silly movie. Speed 2 works. |
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| 19:07.37 | kageiit_ | Linux Collaboration Summit Live! - http://events.linuxfoundation.org/live/media-viewer?id=1 |
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| 19:07.54 | Airwhale | Just out of curisosity, has anyone gotten comments on their proposals? I haven't gotten any on mine since the deadline |
| 19:08.28 | killerchicken | Airwhale: people have gotten comments. Whether you get one depends on your org and on your mentors. |
| 19:08.29 | kageiit_ | nothing here |
| 19:09.01 | kageiit_ | wow Airwhale and killerchicken, what a combo |
| 19:09.03 | killerchicken | If you want feedback, I'd suggest you politely contact your org |
| 19:09.03 | kageiit_ | hehe |
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| 19:09.55 | Airwhale | Cool. Well, I've contacted potential mentors and they have told me everything looks fine, so I suppose nothing left to do but try and sit patiently for 12 days |
| 19:10.23 | mkarnicki | Airwhale: yeah I know the feeling, but I have similar situation. did all I could, now we can wait. |
| 19:10.44 | kageiit_ | yeah |
| 19:10.51 | kageiit_ | or u cud... |
| 19:10.52 | Airwhale | well, thanks guys. that helps, actually |
| 19:10.53 | kageiit_ | nvm |
| 19:10.54 | arun_ | you can also try to impress your respective org by sending in patches, being active on mailing lists, irc, etc. |
| 19:10.54 | killerchicken | Hint: Mentors usually notice when you're active in their community beyond your gsoc project |
| 19:11.04 | Airwhale | kageiit.. =) |
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| 19:11.25 | merwok | I’ve got no specific comment on my application, but the mentor said all proposals looked good and he set us a coding task. |
| 19:11.39 | Airwhale | okay, I'll go and hang out on the R list. Thanks! |
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| 19:12.34 | kageiit_ | some of the mentors say, u get one bonus point for every Euro u put into their bank account :D |
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| 19:12.45 | kageiit_ | hehe |
| 19:12.51 | Airwhale | =) |
| 19:13.10 | mkarnicki | lol, misconduct :D |
| 19:13.27 | schumaml | they can get the orgs USD 500 for their project and that's it :) |
| 19:13.30 | kageiit_ | weel considering the trade off, its not a bad bargain actually |
| 19:13.39 | kageiit_ | lolz |
| 19:14.17 | kageiit_ | *well |
| 19:14.22 | mkarnicki | I feel bad that mentor gets just a t-shirt.. that's kind of sad, you know? |
| 19:14.38 | dho_plan9 | ...and code. |
| 19:14.41 | dho_plan9 | from the student. |
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| 19:14.55 | kageiit_ | well said dho_plan9 |
| 19:14.56 | mkarnicki | well.. yeah :) |
| 19:15.02 | dho_plan9 | And something to put on a resume. |
| 19:15.09 | mkarnicki | the org gets the code :) |
| 19:15.14 | merwok | If I’m chosen, I’ll make cookies for my mentor. |
| 19:15.15 | dho_plan9 | I certainly have my org admin / mentoring on my resume. |
| 19:15.15 | mkarnicki | true, also. |
| 19:15.16 | kageiit_ | what a mentor? ... naaaah! |
| 19:15.23 | mkarnicki | merwok: :D |
| 19:15.24 | Airwhale | Mentor also gets $500, right? |
| 19:15.26 | dho_plan9 | no. |
| 19:15.36 | dho_plan9 | The mentor volunteers his / her time. |
| 19:15.41 | mkarnicki | true. |
| 19:15.42 | Airwhale | ah, gotcha |
| 19:15.54 | dberkholz | the org gets 500, it may choose to distribute that to the mentor |
| 19:15.55 | schumaml | Airwhale: the org gets it |
| 19:15.55 | kageiit_ | yeah but the student is the one who toils |
| 19:16.22 | dho_plan9 | Mentoring can in many cases take a *lot* of time. Org adminning certainly does. |
| 19:16.48 | schumaml | it does? |
| 19:16.51 | Airwhale | thanks again everyone... |
| 19:16.54 | dho_plan9 | (You need to make sure you know what's going on with *every* project, what communication issues are happening, what successes you're having) |
| 19:17.04 | dberkholz | admining is definitely a huge time sink right now. in my experience it's a bit easier once the summer starts |
| 19:17.07 | mkarnicki | I do certainly hope they know how much students appreciate that possibility and their support. |
| 19:17.10 | kageiit_ | hmm |
| 19:17.11 | dho_plan9 | dberkholz: Yes. |
| 19:17.19 | dho_plan9 | mkarnicki: We do :) |
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| 19:17.31 | dho_plan9 | That's why we do it. |
| 19:17.37 | mkarnicki | dho_plan9: *thumbs up!* |
| 19:17.42 | schumaml | dho_plan9: you make me feel lazy. what exactly are the admin's duties in your org? |
| 19:17.53 | kageiit_ | to save the org some trouble, the students could mentor themselves and take the remaining 500 USD too what say? |
| 19:18.08 | kageiit_ | hehe |
| 19:18.09 | mkarnicki | xD |
| 19:18.12 | dho_plan9 | schumaml: Apart from the obvious, we've traditionally kept in contact with students, read all progress reports, discussed issues with mentors, discussed issues with students |
| 19:18.26 | schumaml | ah |
| 19:18.48 | dberkholz | i usually send out periodic emails to the mentors and the students giving advice and checking in, asking for questions, etc |
| 19:18.51 | dho_plan9 | (The obvious being the general administrative tasks, coming up with the project home page, setting up the ideas page, kicking mentors to review apps, etc) |
| 19:19.01 | dberkholz | then the majority of your time goes to fixing problems with a small minority of projects |
| 19:19.26 | dho_plan9 | We required weekly status updates last year, and that didn't happen with most of the projects. This year, I'm going to be much more annoying about it. |
| 19:19.28 | schumaml | well, it certainly helps a lot to only have two mentors this year |
| 19:19.43 | merwok | dho_plan9, what org are you from? |
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| 19:19.49 | dho_plan9 | points at nick |
| 19:20.11 | schumaml | what's "dho"? |
| 19:20.16 | schumaml | ;) |
| 19:20.33 | dho_plan9 | Devon H. O'Dell :P |
| 19:20.57 | dberkholz | dho_plan9: seen killerx around lately? |
| 19:21.05 | dho_plan9 | Ummmm, not lately, no. |
| 19:21.09 | dberkholz | gentoo's got a plan 9 proposal i need to catch him on |
| 19:21.12 | dho_plan9 | The majority of the problems we've had in the past years were related to lack of communication, so making sure that all stays transparent is a big task. |
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| 19:21.17 | dho_plan9 | dberkholz: Aha, what about? |
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| 19:21.26 | kageiit_ | yeah, he asked me to fill up for him! |
| 19:21.37 | dho_plan9 | (Feel free to talk to anth_x or I as well; we're the Plan 9 admins) |
| 19:21.39 | schumaml | it's mostly pointless for me to keep in contact with the students, the mentors are much more qualified in their areas of expertise |
| 19:21.46 | dberkholz | dho_plan9: The overall objective on the Gentoo side is to provide update or built a series of Plan 9 related ebuilds. On the Plan 9 side it is to provide a simple package manager. |
| 19:22.09 | merwok | I didn’t know Plan 9 still lived. |
| 19:22.26 | dho_plan9 | Plan 9: A "failure" for 20 years, and still "failing" |
| 19:22.44 | dho_plan9 | schumaml: Sure, I don't mean getting tendrils into the project... just making sure that there's a good high-level idea of what's going on with the project |
| 19:22.58 | cbeck | Glenda still roams the night, feasting on stray snippets of code |
| 19:24.03 | dho_plan9 | Making Plan 9 a "general purpose" operating system just isn't that high of a priority for anyone who uses it. |
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| 19:24.37 | merwok | How can an OS include another OS? (Gentoo making packages of Plan 9) |
| 19:24.58 | cbeck | Just the compiler suite? or is it more? |
| 19:25.38 | dho_plan9 | merwok: We have a port of Plan 9 utilities to unix-like systems |
| 19:26.03 | dho_plan9 | Additionally, there is 9vx, which is a Plan 9 kernel that runs in userspace using the vx32 i386 instruction execution library |
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| 19:26.52 | dho_plan9 | cbeck: There's a port of kencc to FreeBSD that happened in 2007, but it hasn't been maintained. The Plan 9 C compilers live on in "Unix" with the C compilers provided by Google's Go programming language |
| 19:27.06 | merwok | Ok. |
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| 19:28.44 | dho_plan9 | And also gccgo's -fplan9-extensions flag which adds support for some C extensions that Plan 9 supports. |
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| 19:37.01 | ebo | dho_plan9, dberkholz: should I comment on my project ans why I'm looking at dealing with the package management? If you look at the HPD proposal (plan9) and think of trying to manage dozens to hundreds of interelated application models then it might make more sense in that context. |
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| 19:39.08 | dho_plan9 | ebo: Anthony's going to be in touch |
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| 19:41.24 | ebo | dho_plan9: ok. |
| 19:41.50 | mayanks431 | !next |
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| 19:42.06 | dho_plan9 | The bot is out |
| 19:42.09 | mayanks431 | k |
| 19:42.11 | mayanks431 | :) |
| 19:42.17 | merwok | Out for a drink? |
| 19:42.22 | mayanks431 | 1 |
| 19:42.30 | smtms | I don't know what people will do without the bot |
| 19:42.42 | ebo | probably searching for love in all the wrong places. |
| 19:42.49 | mayanks431 | bot was soul of the channel |
| 19:42.51 | kageiit_ | ha... unlikely |
| 19:43.26 | ebo | the bot heard about spanish fly and found botfly (sorry couldn't resist) |
| 19:43.49 | aghisla | \o/ |
| 19:43.56 | mayanks431 | we miss u durinbot |
| 19:44.06 | mayanks431 | :P |
| 19:44.24 | kageiit_ | durinbot? that sounds like some f**ked up jap mech anime bot name |
| 19:44.43 | mayanks431 | hey it sounds like a bot from LOTR |
| 19:44.51 | mayanks431 | remember hurin and durin |
| 19:44.58 | mayanks431 | :P |
| 19:45.04 | ebo | Domo Arigato, Mr. Roboto |
| 19:45.10 | kageiit_ | hmm, whatever it is it is still a bot, so stop repenting for it has no soul |
| 19:45.54 | mayanks431 | bots will soon hav souls |
| 19:46.13 | Catfish_Man | kageiit_: mayanks431 is correct; it's named because it's durin42's bot, and his nick is from lord of the rings |
| 19:46.22 | Catfish_Man | so more middle english bot than japanese ;) |
| 19:46.30 | kageiit_ | oh i see |
| 19:46.39 | kageiit_ | it sounded like one to me though |
| 19:46.56 | mayanks431 | btw durin was some dwarf?? |
| 19:47.02 | ebo | how about a LOTR/Japanese Aname mashup? |
| 19:47.13 | merwok | mayanks431, http://xkcd.com/413/ |
| 19:47.33 | merwok | mayanks431, It’s the name given to the oldest of Dwarves. |
| 19:47.38 | mayanks431 | k |
| 19:47.43 | merwok | Also to his six reincarnations. |
| 19:47.59 | mayanks431 | O.o |
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| 19:48.56 | ebo | ahhh... import soul... |
| 19:49.13 | mayanks431 | LOL |
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| 19:51.22 | aghisla | we miss durinbot even more now. |
| 19:51.39 | thebolt | as far as I can tell durinbot is still here and alive :P |
| 19:51.44 | thebolt | its socinfo that is dead.. |
| 19:51.49 | mayanks431 | :D |
| 19:52.13 | mayanks431 | maybe its asleep |
| 19:52.27 | thebolt | no, the machine that used to host it is down.. danderson is working on it though |
| 19:52.32 | aghisla | oops |
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| 19:57.32 | dennda | !timeline |
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| 19:58.17 | Catfish_Man | dennda: did you miss all the discussion just now about the bot being gone? |
| 19:58.22 | dennda | Yes |
| 19:58.33 | dennda | I'm not following all of my channels obviously... :-) |
| 19:58.35 | dennda | Sorry |
| 19:58.44 | aghisla | why not adding a note in the topic? |
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| 19:59.02 | smtms | dennda, do you need help finding the timeline? |
| 19:59.09 | Catfish_Man | aghisla: if people aren't reading current in-channel discussion, they definitely won't read the topic ;) |
| 19:59.10 | dennda | I found it already, thanks |
| 19:59.17 | schumaml | add a temporary bot which responds with "socinfo will be back" to all commands? |
| 19:59.22 | dennda | There's this thing called google.com :) |
| 19:59.50 | aghisla | shrugs |
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| 20:02.13 | kblin | evening folks |
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| 20:04.24 | aghisla | evening kblin |
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| 20:06.27 | mkarnicki | evenig :) |
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| 20:15.29 | thebolt | hi kblin |
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| 20:16.52 | kblin | wth? |
| 20:16.59 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:17.18 | thebolt | what's up? |
| 20:17.20 | kblin | why does no shop selling thinkpads sell us keyboards anymore? |
| 20:17.39 | smtms | because of improved localization |
| 20:17.55 | aghisla | kblin: try das keyboard |
| 20:18.10 | kblin | built-in, joker |
| 20:19.07 | kblin | meh |
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| 20:22.46 | kblin | so it looks like the only laptop I can get here that has a us layout illuminated keyboard is a macbook pro :p |
| 20:23.02 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 20:23.06 | jmole | the best laptop you can get* |
| 20:23.08 | thebolt | just looked at the new macbook pros |
| 20:23.08 | dberkholz | kblin: pick one up at the mentor summit =) |
| 20:23.14 | Mek | it's not like the software cares what is printed on the keys... |
| 20:23.29 | thebolt | pretty decent.. but still a bit too expensive given the spec :/ |
| 20:23.42 | smtms | kblin, do you look at the keyboard when typing? |
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| 20:26.14 | kblin | smtms: sometimes |
| 20:26.51 | kblin | Mek: but germany keyboards have the \ key in funny places and the enter key is too big |
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| 20:27.18 | kblin | I don't care about the letters too much, but they key layout is different |
| 20:28.26 | YuviPanda | kblin: \ next to a much smaller backspace, and enter in an inverted L shape? |
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| 20:28.52 | kblin | YuviPanda: no, the shift key is smaller I think |
| 20:29.04 | kblin | but yeah, the enter key is l-shaped |
| 20:29.15 | kblin | so I end up hitting enter when I want \ |
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| 20:29.29 | YuviPanda | kblin: so / and \ are next to each other? (since shift is smaller) |
| 20:29.32 | kblin | annoys the heck out of me |
| 20:29.47 | YuviPanda | kblin: many keyboards like that over here (India) too. |
| 20:29.55 | YuviPanda | kblin: thankfully the laptops aren't so wacko |
| 20:30.06 | kblin | YuviPanda: I don't remember |
| 20:30.25 | kblin | I've still got a german keyboard at work, it's driving me nuts |
| 20:30.43 | kblin | but I expect the new keyboard to arrive any day now :) |
| 20:31.26 | smtms | what new one did you purchase? |
| 20:31.40 | kblin | dberkholz: yeah, I'm really beginning to wonder if I can get warranty on a thinkpad I got in the states |
| 20:32.13 | kblin | smtms: no idea, I just told my boss that if he wants me to programm stuff for him, I want a keyboard that has the brackets in the right place |
| 20:36.49 | mlankhorst | kblin: can't you just set keyboard layout and ignore the keys?? :) |
| 20:37.36 | kblin | mlankhorst: no, because as I said before the stupid enter key is all wrong |
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| 20:38.06 | Mek | buy a replacement keyboard :P (hmm, those go for around 100 euros, so might not be the cheapest solution) |
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| 20:38.52 | thebolt | kblin: even on laptop? |
| 20:38.59 | kblin | yeah |
| 20:39.06 | mlankhorst | there's a certain amount of irony that the savings on computer parts will cost you more in lost time.. |
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| 20:39.30 | Landon | kicks svn in the gut, or at least websvn |
| 20:40.18 | kblin | mlankhorst: dunno. I just sent a mail to the computer store I got my old thinkpad from and asked them if they could sell me an R500 with more than 1000 pixels screen height, as much ram as they can fit in and a US keyboard |
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| 20:42.38 | arielh | hi :) |
| 20:42.53 | Catfish_Man | hi arielh |
| 20:43.23 | arielh | i just heard about this program. such a shame the deadline has passed |
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| 20:43.37 | arielh | next year i'm not gonna be a student :( |
| 20:43.52 | Catfish_Man | unfortunate :/ |
| 20:44.04 | Catfish_Man | gsoc is pretty heavily publicized, but there's no way to ensure everyone hears |
| 20:44.10 | blast007 | arielh: sign up for more schooling ;) |
| 20:44.24 | arielh | lol |
| 20:44.34 | Catfish_Man | blast007: the more fun thing to do is get involved in an OSS project, become a core contributor, then mentor someone in gsoc :D |
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| 20:45.10 | mlankhorst | turning from student to mentor/org admin? I'd never do that |
| 20:45.20 | arielh | and i'm new to irc. just installed xchat to be able to enter this channel :) |
| 20:45.49 | blast007 | Catfish_Man: hehe, true :) |
| 20:45.59 | arielh | how can i join some open sorce project anyway? |
| 20:46.32 | Catfish_Man | arielh: generally, download the code, look around their bug tracker, and start posting patches |
| 20:46.44 | jkwood | arielh: Find one you like, start contributing patches and hanging out in the communication channels. |
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| 20:47.01 | arielh | do they usually have irc channels like this? |
| 20:47.13 | Catfish_Man | very often |
| 20:47.29 | arielh | nice |
| 20:48.20 | jkwood | Anything in particular you're looking to work on? There's a whole universe of projects out there. |
| 20:48.23 | arielh | i don't know where to begin... |
| 20:48.44 | arielh | i love python |
| 20:49.54 | arielh | but i'm a beginner |
| 20:50.19 | jkwood | Everybody starts somewhere. |
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| 20:51.28 | arielh | sorry if i'm bothering, i just think this is a place where i can find code-loving people like me |
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| 20:52.20 | jkwood | Not a problem, just trying to keep track fo other things as well. |
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| 20:52.31 | arielh | how do you "nick: ...." ? |
| 20:52.45 | Catfish_Man | type the first few characters then hit tab |
| 20:53.14 | arielh | Catfish_Man, foo |
| 20:53.17 | arielh | nope |
| 20:53.32 | arielh | what's the commend |
| 20:53.42 | arielh | *command |
| 20:53.46 | Catfish_Man | what? |
| 20:53.54 | dho_plan9 | Depends on the client. You're using Xchat for Windows. I don't use that, so I don't know. |
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| 20:54.28 | arielh | waiting for ubuntu 10.4 to go out... i don't like windows |
| 20:54.37 | |Kev| | Install 9.10 |
| 20:54.52 | |Kev| | but only if you're on a slow 'net connection. |
| 20:54.56 | jsd | arielh: at worst just type in the nick followed by a colon ":" |
| 20:54.56 | arielh | i had it on my prev computer |
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| 20:55.05 | |Kev| | Time-proven technique to guarantee a new release of software. |
| 20:55.35 | arielh | jsd: .... |
| 20:56.12 | |Kev| | xchat? surely that does tab-completion. |
| 20:56.13 | mkarnicki | man, I know irc for like 2 weeks, and I didn't know about tab-completion xD |
| 20:56.17 | mkarnicki | feels dumb |
| 20:56.31 | jkwood | mkarnicki: It's not exactly something you see people do all the time. |
| 20:56.32 | mkarnicki | btw I'm on irssi+screen setup |
| 20:56.43 | mkarnicki | jkwood: :) |
| 20:56.46 | dho_plan9 | has been using IRC since 1993 : |
| 20:56.55 | mkarnicki | oh man.. this is comfortable xD |
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| 20:57.02 | |Kev| | More shameful is that I only found out about C-r in bash a few months ago. |
| 20:57.30 | mkarnicki | dho_plan9: impressive :D |
| 20:57.42 | arielh | jkerihuel__ ... |
| 20:57.48 | mkarnicki | |Kev|: what does C-r do? |
| 20:57.57 | arielh | tried /say |
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| 20:57.58 | jsd | reverse search |
| 20:57.58 | |Kev| | reverse search through history |
| 20:57.59 | killerchicken | search history |
| 20:58.15 | mkarnicki | ah, cool |
| 20:58.27 | killerchicken | uses vi mode in his shell ;) |
| 20:58.30 | mkarnicki | jkwood |Kev| killerchicken thanks :D |
| 20:58.48 | |Kev| | killerchicken: now why would you do a silly thing like that? :) |
| 20:58.51 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: I use vim to code, but vi mode in shell ? :) |
| 20:59.01 | josipl | killerchicken: there's a vi mode for shell? link please |
| 20:59.05 | jsd | my fave is typing +++ath0 |
| 20:59.09 | |Kev| | Even when I used vi as my editor, I used emacs mode in the shell. |
| 20:59.11 | killerchicken | josipl: set -o vi |
| 20:59.26 | jsd | thats fast search in bash |
| 20:59.34 | killerchicken | |Kev|: I like my ninjas |
| 21:00.07 | killerchicken | mkarnicki: it's awesome |
| 21:00.26 | Landon | MUTT |
| 21:00.27 | jsd | too bad the channel is in conference mode |
| 21:00.29 | Landon | argh |
| 21:00.30 | jsd | we could see who left |
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| 21:00.55 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: interesting |
| 21:01.04 | jkwood | wat |
| 21:01.13 | killerchicken | (this might be relevant to your interests: http://philosecurity.org/2009/03/23/pirates-and-ninjas-emacs-or-vi ) |
| 21:01.19 | mkarnicki | :D |
| 21:01.27 | arielh | trying some commands |
| 21:01.46 | mlankhorst | ln -sf emacs /usr/bin/vim |
| 21:01.58 | neo01124 | guys any ideas as to what all the google allocation algorithm takes in consideration while allocating slots to mentoring orgs ? |
| 21:02.12 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: haha good link :) |
| 21:02.16 | jsd | what if you use both emacs and vi but are good at neither |
| 21:02.37 | jkwood | neo01124: The phase of the moon. |
| 21:02.44 | mkarnicki | jsd: hahha |
| 21:02.57 | dberkholz | neo01124: there's a page dedicated to the topic |
| 21:03.03 | thebolt | only decent way to use emacs is in VIP-mode ;) |
| 21:03.05 | jkwood | jsd: You must play a shaman in WoW. |
| 21:03.07 | killerchicken | jsd: then you should play with notepad some more, and consider rewriting pong in Visual Basic |
| 21:03.25 | BHSPitCSP | Out of curiosity, can anyone say how common it is for original proposals to be accepted? (That is, proposals not based on an idea list) |
| 21:03.52 | dberkholz | neo01124: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/studentallocations |
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| 21:04.17 | jkwood | BHSPitCSP: Pretty uncommon, for the most part. It's hard to come up with something that the developers haven't already considered. |
| 21:04.31 | neo01124 | dberkholz, thanks |
| 21:04.35 | schumaml | BHSPitCSP: original and discussed with the org prior to submitting them or not? |
| 21:04.54 | mkarnicki | jkwood: no it's not :) |
| 21:04.55 | killerchicken | I was accepted for a proposal that was not part of the ideas list two years ago |
| 21:04.58 | BHSPitCSP | jkwood: that's my assumption. The ideas on the lists usually get there because they are important |
| 21:05.06 | killerchicken | not that this is in any way statistical data or anything ;) |
| 21:05.26 | mkarnicki | jkwood: I had my own proposal, and it was so simple it it's form, that I was surprised nobody else had this idea |
| 21:05.31 | kblin | hm, not my day today |
| 21:05.35 | Mek | I'd say if you have a good idea and are passionate about it you have a bigger chance of getting accepting then if you just copy an idea of the idea list |
| 21:05.48 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: cool! |
| 21:05.57 | kblin | I'm beginning to really hate android |
| 21:06.05 | BHSPitCSP | schumaml: I don't fit either scenario; I was wondering at a more general level :) |
| 21:06.07 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: what was that project two years ago? |
| 21:06.22 | mkarnicki | kblin: why is that? |
| 21:06.24 | killerchicken | I worked on Tor the past two years as a student, and am a mentor this year. |
| 21:06.39 | jkwood | mkarnicki: Depends on the organization. We've thought about and rejected hundreds of thousands of ideas. ;) |
| 21:06.40 | mkarnicki | awesome :D |
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| 21:07.13 | mkarnicki | jkwood: you're probably right. depends on the org. the 'ubuntu' was so big it was impossible to list all ideas for mentors. that's understood :) |
| 21:07.47 | kblin | mkarnicki: I've been trying to get python to build for it for days now |
| 21:07.51 | mkarnicki | kblin: what don't u like about android? |
| 21:08.00 | mkarnicki | kblin: ahh.. |
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| 21:08.24 | kblin | I don't actually give a damn about python, apart for the fact that it's a dep for the software I actually want to build |
| 21:08.25 | mkarnicki | kblin: nothing a regular user would complain about then :D |
| 21:08.30 | jkwood | If your idea was "Fix critical bugs that are found in previous or current releases", then they've already thought about and rejected it. |
| 21:08.39 | killerchicken | mkarnicki: you should work on Tor, too. |
| 21:08.40 | killerchicken | ;P |
| 21:08.58 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: http://tinyurl.com/AndroidU1 |
| 21:09.09 | kblin | no, but if java doesn't work for you beause you don't want to re-write all of Samba, android really, really sucks |
| 21:09.42 | killerchicken | hm? |
| 21:09.43 | kblin | I'll look into getting a maemo crossbuild set up tomorrow, hopefully that'll work better |
| 21:09.46 | mkarnicki | jkwood: right. |
| 21:09.52 | jsd | later all - gotta run |
| 21:09.52 | killerchicken | we have native tor (written in C) running on android |
| 21:09.57 | killerchicken | with a very small java gui |
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| 21:10.05 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: my proposal ;) and it's not Tor, so to speak ;) |
| 21:10.09 | mkarnicki | later jsd |
| 21:10.18 | killerchicken | mkarnicki: yeah, the hm? wasn't for you, sorry |
| 21:10.31 | mkarnicki | killerchicken: ah, no probs :) |
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| 21:10.45 | mkarnicki | kblin: i hope you'll have more luck with that |
| 21:10.47 | killerchicken | I was wondering about kblin's complaints |
| 21:10.57 | kblin | killerchicken: yeah, I can crossbuild some of my deps just fine |
| 21:11.28 | kblin | killerchicken: but I need python, and android's libc replacement isn't posix-compliant enough to build python |
| 21:11.53 | killerchicken | ah, yeah |
| 21:11.56 | killerchicken | sad |
| 21:12.08 | kblin | like the locales struct python is trying to use in bionic is "struct locales {};" |
| 21:12.10 | mkarnicki | yup :? |
| 21:12.13 | mkarnicki | * :/ |
| 21:12.20 | kblin | and there's lots of syscalls missing |
| 21:12.31 | killerchicken | We're bitten by iptables being crippled beyond reasoning |
| 21:12.33 | killerchicken | it's sad |
| 21:13.16 | kblin | it'd be cool to demo a samba4 AD DC running on an andy, but it looks like it's not going to happen |
| 21:13.34 | kblin | I'll just get a bigger breast pocket for my shirt and stuff a beagle into that |
| 21:14.13 | jkwood | How does putting a dog in your pocket solve any problems at all? |
| 21:14.48 | kblin | if that dog is an ARM SoC, it solves a lot of problems |
| 21:15.02 | kblin | espeacially as I can run a pretty vanilla ubuntu linux on that |
| 21:15.04 | killerchicken | it also keeps you warm |
| 21:15.31 | kblin | _that_'s a set-up I've had working for quite a while now |
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| 21:16.55 | kblin | killerchicken: I've built my experiments on the excellent Tor guide for compiling stuff for android, but the python dep is really a pain |
| 21:17.20 | killerchicken | heh |
| 21:17.22 | killerchicken | :) |
| 21:17.47 | mkarnicki | have a nice evening guys, gotta to do some studying before tomorrow. |
| 21:18.34 | mkarnicki | went to challenge sequential circuits |
| 21:18.38 | arielh | mkarnicki: bye |
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| 21:18.51 | mkarnicki | bye arielh ! |
| 21:19.09 | kblin | if it was just some cross-compiling issue (python doesn't like being cross-compiled), I'd have tried rooting an andy phone, installing a debian chroot in there and building natively on the phone |
| 21:19.38 | kblin | but as I'm missing at least one syscall, native builds won't help much |
| 21:22.22 | killerchicken | kblin: lots of people seem to like our stuff, be it docs or code. When you configure maxmind's C api stuff and don't have zlib headers, it tells you that Tor needs those to compile. ;P |
| 21:23.39 | kblin | killerchicken: well, I mainly used the Tor guide because I heard about that one on the mentor summit post-conf hot tub session |
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| 21:23.55 | killerchicken | okeee |
| 21:24.32 | kblin | that's when I first toyed with the idea of having an active directory install on your phone |
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| 21:27.49 | thebolt | kblin: which syscall is missing? |
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| 21:28.43 | kblin | I_PUSH |
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| 21:32.22 | arielh | so, can anyone give me some tips to how to join an oss project? |
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| 21:33.16 | Catfish_Man | arielh: already did... |
| 21:33.57 | kblin | there's a guide on how to build python for android, but the patches are in an unreadable diff format and don't apply |
| 21:34.28 | killerchicken | I see a good solution |
| 21:34.31 | killerchicken | drop python ;) |
| 21:34.40 | killerchicken | scnr & good night |
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| 21:35.19 | kblin | not my decision |
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| 21:55.09 | BarryCarlyon | Anyone watching Chirp? |
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| 22:22.22 | pygi | josipl, what are you doing here? |
| 22:22.53 | smtms | pygi, what are *you* doing here? |
| 22:22.55 | josipl | pygi: you can guess only once |
| 22:23.14 | pygi | smtms, what kind of question is that? :D |
| 22:23.32 | pygi | josipl, bugging people? |
| 22:24.11 | josipl | was that your answer to smtms, or? |
| 22:24.18 | josipl | :P |
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| 22:25.43 | pygi | josipl, no, that was to you :P |
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| 22:28.13 | pygi | josipl, you think I'd be rude to people I don't know? :P |
| 22:30.02 | josipl | pygi: I don't see why not, it's even funnier than with people you know :D |
| 22:30.14 | pygi | josipl, explain yourself |
| 22:30.57 | josipl | pygi: I'm a busy man, I don't have time for that :P |
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| 22:31.19 | pygi | josipl, lol |
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| 22:31.21 | josipl | there's a task I have to memorise for tomorrow's programming class :D |
| 22:31.26 | pygi | LOL |
| 22:31.28 | pygi | C++? |
| 22:31.33 | pygi | what are you doing this time? |
| 22:33.02 | josipl | yep, sorting algorithms |
| 22:36.43 | Catfish_Man | josipl: bool sorted = false; while (!sorted) { for (int i = 0; i < count; i++) { if (array[i] > array[i+1]) { sorted = false; break; } else { sorted = true; } } } |
| 22:36.52 | Catfish_Man | (note: relies on cosmic rays) |
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| 22:37.29 | smtms | sorting in C++: std::sort(v.begin(), v.end()); |
| 22:37.36 | smtms | ;-) |
| 22:38.25 | Catfish_Man | smtms: mine's better. It requires O(1) swaps |
| 22:38.38 | josipl | smtms: Unfortunately we have to write those functions on our own |
| 22:38.57 | smtms | Catfish_Man, you don't know how mine is implemented! |
| 22:39.26 | Catfish_Man | smtms: true, you could be using some weird libstdc++ that uses my algorithm ;) |
| 22:39.55 | josipl | pygi: I don't have the problem with writing the code, I just have to know it by heart so I could finish before those perky girls |
| 22:40.18 | pygi | josipl, ... |
| 22:40.21 | LawG | wait... what? |
| 22:40.22 | pygi | childish |
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| 22:40.54 | josipl | pygi: are you calling me childish? I'm so 'gonna sue you to my mum! |
| 22:41.18 | pygi | josipl, cool :D |
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