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| 00:41.12 | Upthorn | !numapps |
| 00:41.12 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 00:43.02 | Upthorn | is there a displays the number of unique students? |
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| 00:49.38 | Dark_Shikari | !next |
| 00:49.38 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 00:49.54 | BHSPitMonkey | Upthorn: 276 < num_students < 5539 |
| 00:50.23 | ojwb | 276? |
| 00:50.40 | BHSPitMonkey | floor(5539/20.0) |
| 00:50.46 | Upthorn | BHSPitMonkey: I am hoping to get an estimate of average applications per student. |
| 00:50.49 | ojwb | Upthorn: I don't think that number has been announced yet |
| 00:51.05 | ojwb | Upthorn: it was less that two last year, if that helps |
| 00:51.20 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah, I wouldn't assume the average to be any higher than 2 or so |
| 00:51.52 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: should be ceil - it there are 21 applications, there must be at least 2 students |
| 00:51.58 | Upthorn | ojwb: I know what it was last year. I was hoping to compare, but if the number of applicants hasn't been announced yet, I guess I will have to wait. |
| 00:52.10 | Upthorn | ojwb: he said < not <= |
| 00:52.27 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah, I was careful with my inequality operators |
| 00:52.28 | ojwb | so he did |
| 00:52.37 | Upthorn | though, he errored on the second one |
| 00:52.39 | ojwb | I guess he submitted two himself then |
| 00:52.52 | Upthorn | or submitted two himself |
| 00:52.53 | BHSPitMonkey | (I heard someone say they did two applications, so I know it's not <= 5539) |
| 00:53.05 | ojwb | I've seen at least 3 from one applicant |
| 00:53.14 | Upthorn | (unless it is you, they could be lying :P) |
| 00:53.19 | BHSPitMonkey | then it's < 5538 |
| 00:53.22 | BHSPitMonkey | we're getting closer |
| 00:53.37 | ojwb | still, asking carols would be quicker |
| 00:53.50 | BHSPitMonkey | show of hands! |
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| 01:00.33 | J3RL31 | !timeline |
| 01:00.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 01:02.21 | ojwb | hmm, no floor() is wrong - if there are 20 applications, it's >= 1 not > 1 |
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| 01:13.13 | BHSPitMonkey | ojwb: the floor comes into play with uneven divisions of 20 |
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| 01:14.08 | ojwb | BHSPitMonkey: yes, but it gets it wrong for exact divisions |
| 01:14.14 | ojwb | you want ceil() |
| 01:14.36 | ojwb | and either <= or subtract one |
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| 01:16.19 | BHSPitMonkey | ah |
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| 01:25.44 | bawr | Wait, what? Why would floor be wrong for exact divisions? |
| 01:26.18 | ojwb | sighs |
| 01:26.29 | ojwb | this isn't really worth so much discussion I feel... |
| 01:26.44 | Catfish_Man | bawr: to negative, hurts morale. If you always round up, your DIVs will feel happier and work faster |
| 01:26.46 | Catfish_Man | *too |
| 01:26.48 | ojwb | but 20 apps => floor(20/20) = 1 |
| 01:27.01 | ojwb | 21 apps => floor(21/20) = 1 |
| 01:27.09 | ojwb | but the bound in those cases should be different |
| 01:27.22 | Catfish_Man | nobody wants mopey depressed divide operators |
| 01:27.26 | BHSPitMonkey | a happy division is a productive division |
| 01:27.28 | bawr | Catfish_Man: :D |
| 01:27.32 | ojwb | with ceil, you get 1 and 2 |
| 01:28.09 | bawr | Ah, so it's not so much floor being wrong as floor being a wrong tool for the job. |
| 01:29.16 | bawr | Oh my. I estimate spending $30 in the near future. |
| 01:29.18 | bawr | http://www.pinpoet.com/ |
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| 01:39.28 | Code_Z | does anybody would have an extra google wave invitation ? |
| 01:39.50 | Code_Z | I need to test somme apps within it and I can't find any |
| 01:40.14 | MatthewWilkes | Code_Z: Sure, PM me your email |
| 01:40.26 | MatthewWilkes | Code_Z: You are a SoC applicant/mentor, right? |
| 01:40.57 | BHSPitMonkey | I have extras, too (I think everyone does...) |
| 01:41.25 | Code_Z | thanks guys |
| 01:41.32 | Code_Z | l'll PM you |
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| 01:52.30 | bawr | Hmm. Am I alone in that I want to "bet on Google" with my technology decisions, such as learning AppEngine and getting to know Android, but do so only because it's better than the immediate alternative (Microsoft and friends)? |
| 01:52.50 | bawr | Google is too big for comfort as far as I'm concerned, I think. |
| 01:53.37 | sreich | I doubt you are alone |
| 01:54.02 | sreich | although I personally like them. but yeah, too big for comfort is a concern |
| 01:54.29 | bawr | That said, AppEngine >>>>>> ASP.NET, going with my example. ;) |
| 01:54.56 | sreich | in fact, I specifically go out of my way to *not* buy microsoft products |
| 01:55.17 | sreich | but then again, I know how ruthless and entirely anti-opensource they are |
| 01:55.21 | bawr | And I say it with the full conviction of someone who never had to use ASP.NET, but was on the receiving end of some questions about it. So I gave in, I've had a look... and never looked again. |
| 01:55.25 | sreich | and anti-competitive, for that matter |
| 01:55.46 | sreich | couldn't be worse than the WIN32 API |
| 01:55.48 | sreich | shudders |
| 01:56.20 | bawr | Well, they realised too late that software-as-service is the way to go... now vendor lock-in is the only valid strategy for them, I guess. |
| 01:56.20 | MatthewWilkes | hWnd ftw |
| 01:56.36 | sreich | and patents ;) |
| 01:57.25 | bawr | sreich: This isn't fair, but stil... makeWindow(NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, "title", NULL, -1, -1, NULL, -1, 0) is pretty much how I see winapi. :) |
| 01:57.51 | sreich | yep |
| 01:57.56 | sreich | Qt API design principals ftw |
| 01:58.08 | sreich | no deceiving bools or integers |
| 01:58.17 | sreich | enums all the way :) |
| 01:58.49 | Landon | enum {TRUE, FALSE} exists; |
| 01:58.56 | Catfish_Man | named infix arguments ftw |
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| 01:59.02 | sreich | Landon: haha |
| 01:59.13 | bawr | I wouldn't know, actually. As much as I'm not a Gnome fanboy, GTK was as close as I got to a "real" thing. wxPython otherwise. :) |
| 01:59.13 | sreich | or the infamous isTrue(bool) |
| 01:59.21 | sreich | makes things so much easier |
| 01:59.44 | bawr | Landon: This is so wicked, starting from true... :( |
| 01:59.49 | sreich | bawr: well, it's definitely an excellent read, whether you cute or not :) |
| 02:00.07 | sreich | if you ever end up designing API |
| 02:00.17 | Landon | bawr: the fun part is TRUE=0,FALSE=1 |
| 02:00.18 | Landon | :) |
| 02:00.24 | sreich | haha |
| 02:00.39 | bawr | Landon: I know, just what I ws pointing out. Still have that C in me. :D |
| 02:01.35 | bawr | Well, as an avid reader (in my time, anyway) of comp.lang.c, I feel compelled to check if true being 0 here is in the standard, or just what every compiler does. :) |
| 02:01.47 | bawr | Luckily, I'm too lazy to do that, |
| 02:01.49 | bawr | . |
| 02:01.54 | Catfish_Man | true is defined as nonzero |
| 02:01.58 | Catfish_Man | iirc |
| 02:02.03 | sreich | yup |
| 02:02.08 | Catfish_Man | which is why !!foo occasionally makes sense ;) |
| 02:02.10 | Chetan | :) |
| 02:02.17 | Chetan | got into 3 orgs... |
| 02:02.17 | Chetan | :) |
| 02:02.18 | Landon | gets back to his paper :( |
| 02:02.36 | Landon | 9 more pages to write, hooray |
| 02:02.56 | sreich | ick |
| 02:02.57 | MatthewWilkes | Chetan: And you're smiling?! Just think of the extra work you've given them sorting out those dupes! ;) |
| 02:03.02 | sreich | contributes pity |
| 02:03.15 | sreich | on both accoutns ;) |
| 02:03.24 | bawr | Chetan: Wait, what? We don't have the results, do we? |
| 02:03.36 | MatthewWilkes | Landon: I know the feeling, I'm currently trying to decipher a text about chickens |
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| 02:03.43 | bawr | Or did I miss something? |
| 02:03.59 | Chetan | the duplicates have been informed.. |
| 02:04.02 | sreich | only conflictions know |
| 02:04.06 | Chetan | by their orgs.. |
| 02:04.13 | Landon | MatthewWilkes: could be worse, at least this is only the draft |
| 02:04.23 | Chetan | or are being informed... |
| 02:04.27 | bawr | Landon: I have ~40 more pages to write over the next 48 hours. Luckily, most of it will be console input/ouput copy-paste. |
| 02:04.37 | bawr | grumbles |
| 02:04.39 | ojwb | bawr: the first value in an enum will be zero, unless it is explicitly given another value |
| 02:04.40 | MatthewWilkes | AlÅ¿o haÅ¿tu Å¿ex Hennen: die legen dir in einem Monat Å¿o vil Eyer die wiltu verkaufen (kanÅ¿t dennoch wol vnterweilen ein hables eÅ¿Å¿en) vnnd das Geld ÊuÅ¿ammen legen. |
| 02:04.44 | Landon | and is peer-reviewed (aka "You pretend I have 10 pages, I pretend you have 10 pages" |
| 02:05.19 | Landon | sounds like a hoot |
| 02:05.21 | bawr | I'm not paid enough for thism, but hey... could be worse. At least it's about something remotely interesting, like SSH and OpenVPN. |
| 02:05.22 | MatthewWilkes | ^^^ Awesome, eh Germans? |
| 02:05.32 | sreich | Landon: margin & font adjustment ftw |
| 02:05.34 | sreich | ;) |
| 02:05.39 | Landon | hahaha |
| 02:06.02 | bawr | sreich: Which is why most people who choose your topic also choose your font and margins. :) |
| 02:06.16 | sreich | :) |
| 02:06.31 | Landon | I'll be lucky to get to 6 tonight |
| 02:06.36 | Landon | I don't have a lot to show for my research |
| 02:06.54 | Landon | (writing about dynamic terrain in vidyagames) |
| 02:07.09 | bawr | So erh, enough of this break, I need to make more tea and get back to my writeup on making ssh secure and all. *sigh* |
| 02:07.51 | MatthewWilkes | We've had to give up one of our slots because of duplicate resolution. Very glad the remaining 4 didn't apply elsewhere. |
| 02:08.30 | bawr | What? Losing a duplicate makes you lose his slot? :( |
| 02:08.45 | ojwb | only if you don't have another proposal you want to fund |
| 02:08.50 | MatthewWilkes | Exactly |
| 02:09.06 | MatthewWilkes | We'd been given the number we asked for so had nobody waiting in the wings |
| 02:09.13 | MatthewWilkes | It's a nice problem to have, that's certain. |
| 02:09.30 | bawr | Ah. |
| 02:09.50 | Chetan | MatthewWilkes: which org? |
| 02:09.53 | MatthewWilkes | Chetan: Plone |
| 02:09.56 | ojwb | yeah, it's nicer to have the number you want and have to give one back than have a week of discussion about which 4 of the 5 to keep only to discover you only have 4 |
| 02:11.08 | bawr | Heh, that would be painful. |
| 02:11.32 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Or to be trying to get another slot. A couple of years ago we managed to get a spare during the duplicate meeting and that student was very successful. Same thing has happened and not got the extra, though |
| 02:13.06 | MatthewWilkes | and hopefully this slot will go to an org that really needs it |
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| 03:07.32 | durin42 | dberkholz: yo |
| 03:07.42 | durin42 | dberkholz: I'm an org admin for mercurial |
| 03:07.48 | dberkholz | durin42: hi there -- get my email? |
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| 03:07.51 | durin42 | Indeed |
| 03:08.02 | durin42 | I'm going to try and get feedback from the rest of the hg people |
| 03:08.07 | durin42 | most of them are in Europe and so asleep |
| 03:08.46 | durin42 | I'm extremely torn for my own part between his preference for Gentoo and the relative high profile of the feature work he wanted to do for us |
| 03:09.01 | dberkholz | yeah, i was kinda thinking the same thing |
| 03:09.06 | dberkholz | durin42: do you guys have fallback proposals that you didn't have slots for? |
| 03:09.13 | durin42 | dberkholz: nothing superb |
| 03:09.49 | durin42 | We've got one that I think is workable, but the domain expert for that feature wasn't sold, so I'm going to try and get in touch with him tomorrow AM |
| 03:09.57 | durin42 | (Not sure what TZ you're in) |
| 03:10.05 | dberkholz | central US |
| 03:10.08 | durin42 | ah, same as me |
| 03:10.16 | dberkholz | minnesota |
| 03:10.28 | Catfish_Man | hey Augie :) sup? |
| 03:10.34 | durin42 | Chicago here |
| 03:10.37 | durin42 | hola Catfish_Man |
| 03:11.00 | durin42 | Catfish_Man: can you feel tremors from the office of His Jobsness? |
| 03:11.09 | Catfish_Man | nope |
| 03:11.15 | Catfish_Man | I liked Gruber's picture of SJ's office though |
| 03:11.21 | durin42 | Indeed. |
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| 03:11.47 | dberkholz | durin42: in case you didn't know, the student's on irc -- so feel free to talk with him directly about what you're thinking |
| 03:11.53 | durin42 | dberkholz: what's his nick? |
| 03:12.11 | dberkholz | durin42: firstnamelastname |
| 03:12.14 | durin42 | ah, ok |
| 03:12.42 | maveriick | !log |
| 03:12.43 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 03:12.45 | Catfish_Man | offtopic, but something that might be relevant to folks here ;) http://annies-eats.com/2010/02/09/cookie-dough-truffles/ |
| 03:12.51 | durin42 | dberkholz: found him, thanks |
| 03:13.27 | maveriick | !logs |
| 03:13.27 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 03:13.33 | dberkholz | np |
| 03:13.49 | durin42 | !ircstats |
| 03:13.50 | socinfo | Error: "ircstats" is not a valid command. |
| 03:13.57 | durin42 | hm, that doesn't exist anymore |
| 03:14.08 | skbohra | !stats |
| 03:14.08 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 03:14.24 | Mahfuz_CSE_05 | !timeline |
| 03:14.24 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 03:17.07 | araujo | mm.. is the website down? |
| 03:18.42 | mmadia | here too, araujo. |
| 03:19.14 | durin42 | dberkholz: ok if I go to query? |
| 03:19.15 | mmadia | *cough*, err, no, just slower than normal. |
| 03:19.21 | dberkholz | durin42: go ahead |
| 03:24.17 | araujo | mmadia, :( |
| 03:25.53 | mmadia | araujo : this is handy site too, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
| 03:27.43 | ojwb | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
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| 03:34.24 | adimania | mmadia: this site is crap. It is saying the website is up for the domains which are not even booked yet! |
| 03:35.17 | mmadia | *shrugs* it's not my site and it's worked for me. |
| 03:36.09 | sreich | adimania: no.. |
| 03:36.15 | sreich | adimania: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/somecrazydomainsalkdjslkdjtdoesntexist.com |
| 03:36.26 | sreich | served. |
| 03:36.49 | adimania | hmm |
| 03:37.02 | dberkholz | maybe their isp is one of those sites that gives you their special page for invalid domains |
| 03:37.21 | [mharrison] | Don't click ojwb 's link, lest you want to create a black hole |
| 03:37.41 | Landon | http://www.google.com/search?q=google |
| 03:37.48 | ojwb | [mharrison]: no, you're thinking of typing google into google |
| 03:37.53 | Landon | I have it on good authority that the above link will break. the. internet. |
| 03:37.57 | Landon | so please, don't do it |
| 03:37.59 | Landon | not even as a joke |
| 03:38.24 | [mharrison] | no u |
| 03:38.47 | [mharrison] | You'd actually expect them to easter egg that |
| 03:39.00 | sreich | yes, surprisingly they didn't.. |
| 03:39.02 | bawr | Landon: Well... As a faithful Discordian it is my duty: |
| 03:39.09 | sreich | I guess it's because people *actually* do google google |
| 03:39.13 | ojwb | an easter egg isn't an algorithm... |
| 03:39.16 | bawr | a) Not to believe what you just wrote. |
| 03:39.24 | bawr | b) To cause as much chaos as possible. |
| 03:39.30 | bawr | So yeah, I'm clicking that. |
| 03:39.32 | sreich | a really old teacher in my school does.. |
| 03:39.41 | bawr | Well, tomorrow. I need Google today. |
| 03:39.53 | [mharrison] | sreich, you can still get the hits for googling google, but there should be easter eggs! |
| 03:39.55 | dberkholz | hmm, all the conflicts just vanished. |
| 03:40.01 | sreich | yeah |
| 03:40.34 | sreich | [mharrison]: maybe display side image results that show black holes |
| 03:40.38 | mmadia | dberkholz : iirc, when the script is being run, all students appear as conflicts. |
| 03:40.49 | dberkholz | it's the opposite -- no conflicts, instead of all |
| 03:41.29 | dberkholz | maybe the script got changed |
| 03:41.32 | ojwb | perhaps they changed the ... |
| 03:41.33 | ojwb | yes that |
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| 03:41.51 | dberkholz | sure would be nice to have a status window up top letting me know that |
| 03:42.23 | dberkholz | along with room service and a personal masseuse |
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| 03:58.12 | mmaruseacph2 | !next |
| 03:58.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 04:08.04 | _silentAssassin | when will the IRC meeting be announced to resolve duplicate students ? |
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| 04:09.07 | Gaurav___ | !slots |
| 04:09.08 | socinfo | "slots" is Slots are allocated after student proposals are all submitted. The final count of slots are unknown until the accepted students are announced. Please see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations for further information on how slots are allocated. |
| 04:09.12 | firc | hey guys |
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| 04:09.36 | Gaurav___ | !numapps |
| 04:09.36 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 04:09.50 | mmadia | _silentAssassin : http://tinyurl.com/gsoc2010-duplication-meeting it's also in the timeline. |
| 04:09.54 | Gaurav___ | hi firc |
| 04:10.18 | firc | i had a query |
| 04:10.35 | Gaurav___ | trough it here :) |
| 04:10.41 | _silentAssassin | mmadia: on timeline it was mentioned TBD that is why |
| 04:10.58 | firc | suppose I have got positive from 2 org. |
| 04:11.13 | firc | and I get to choose from between those two. I like em both, btw |
| 04:11.30 | firc | But suppose I choose one project over the other, it still doesn't gurantee being selected by google right? |
| 04:11.40 | Catfish_Man | firc: google does not do selection |
| 04:11.52 | Catfish_Man | if the organization has N assigned slots, and you are in the top N, you're selected |
| 04:11.53 | firc | Catfish_Man: oh! I thought google does some ranking too |
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| 04:12.04 | firc | ah, I see. |
| 04:12.07 | ojwb | firc: no, not unless the orgs really can't resolve it between them |
| 04:12.13 | firc | I see |
| 04:12.23 | firc | ok I think I get it now. Thanks a lot guys :) |
| 04:12.23 | _silentAssassin | firk: if you are in top N of both org, you will get to choose which one you want |
| 04:12.26 | ojwb | nothing is finalised until the list of accepted students is announced |
| 04:12.41 | firc | yep, Just hoping for the best :) |
| 04:12.47 | ojwb | but it's pretty unlikely you'd lose out if 2 orgs want you I think |
| 04:13.02 | ojwb | _silentAssassin: no, you won't necessarily |
| 04:13.07 | firc | ah |
| 04:13.30 | _silentAssassin | ojwb: I guess it is, in case of duplicate accepted students, they know the results earlier IMO |
| 04:13.41 | _silentAssassin | ojwb: so what ? |
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| 04:13.56 | ojwb | _silentAssassin: you may not be asked |
| 04:13.57 | _silentAssassin | ojwb: does org decide upon themselves ? |
| 04:14.07 | ojwb | even if you are, you may not get your preference |
| 04:14.19 | ojwb | if you didn't want to do a project, why did you apply? |
| 04:14.27 | _silentAssassin | ojwb: ok, thanks for the info, I did not knew that |
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| 04:14.56 | firc | thats the question |
| 04:14.59 | ojwb | for example, if you are the only student org A wants, it's really unlikely org B would get you |
| 04:15.06 | firc | I wanted to do both since both are pretty interesting |
| 04:15.16 | firc | heh it'll be tough to choose one if asked |
| 04:15.21 | ojwb | less extreme, org A may want you more |
| 04:15.38 | _silentAssassin | ojwb: I get it now :) |
| 04:15.40 | ojwb | or org B may have many other good applications |
| 04:15.45 | maveriick | firc: you are free to do both. Choose one for soc, do the other after soc. |
| 04:17.47 | movicont | how many duplicates are there usually every year? |
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| 04:19.07 | _silentAssassin | movicont: last year 4 cases were resolved via IRC meeting AFAIK |
| 04:19.47 | movicont | _silentAssassin: ahh, I see.. so basically there were very few that reached that point |
| 04:20.22 | _silentAssassin | movicont: can't say for sure. I guess some cases were resolved without the meeting |
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| 04:21.45 | movicont | _silentAssassin: do the meetings usually involve the student? or are they just the two orgs? |
| 04:22.14 | Catfish_Man | if the student can be contacted, they often are |
| 04:22.36 | _silentAssassin | movicont: last year it involved students and both org respective mentors |
| 04:22.56 | movicont | ah, okay, I see. thanks! |
| 04:23.51 | _silentAssassin | Catfish_Man: it is safe to assume that those lucky fellas, get to know their results beforehand |
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| 04:24.49 | dberkholz | i suppose they could be so hostile about it that both orgs decide they no longer want the student =P |
| 04:25.02 | Catfish_Man | _silentAssassin: theoretically, no, but basically... yeah |
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| 06:43.38 | firc | yo! |
| 06:45.06 | bawr | Hello. |
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| 06:54.28 | robbyoconnor | socinfo: I missed you!!! |
| 06:54.28 | socinfo | Error: "I" is not a valid command. |
| 06:54.39 | robbyoconnor | !cake |
| 06:54.39 | socinfo | "cake" is Cake used to be a lie, until lh got us some. |
| 06:54.43 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 06:55.06 | thiago_home | what? lh got us cake? |
| 06:55.15 | thiago_home | damn, just the year I didn't attend the summit... |
| 06:55.24 | robbyoconnor | thiago: neither did I |
| 06:55.29 | robbyoconnor | lh always got us cake |
| 06:55.35 | robbyoconnor | e-cake, but it's still cake! |
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| 07:03.58 | bawr | I don't know what I did in my previous life, but I must have been quite a bastard. Everything fails lately. |
| 07:04.19 | thebolt | hehe |
| 07:04.33 | aghisla | bawr: stay quiet then, so nothing more will fail :P |
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| 07:04.52 | Ophiuchi | bawr: I've had weeks like that too, everyone does. It passes. |
| 07:05.47 | bawr | But I need to get this paper done so I get a wad of money so I get a decent computer at last so I can stop cursing my current setup and maybe even play a game or two. Can't exactly wait it out. *sigh* |
| 07:05.58 | bawr | Ah, well. I'll give it a fair fight. |
| 07:06.23 | thebolt | bawr: be happy it is just a paper you need to finish ;) |
| 07:06.40 | robbyoconnor | bawr: i had to do some refactoring before i could release my 2009 project |
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| 07:06.43 | thebolt | has 6 months of 24/7 work until he hopefully can start to see some payback of his work.. |
| 07:06.50 | robbyoconnor | and just when i was ready to release, SOMETHING went wrong |
| 07:06.56 | robbyoconnor | a obscure bug would appear |
| 07:07.08 | robbyoconnor | just as mysteriously, all bugs vanished... |
| 07:07.54 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: a Heisenbug :) |
| 07:07.58 | aghisla | fathy, another tale please! |
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| 07:08.16 | bawr | thebolt: I hear ya, but it looks like I'll need to pull off 40h straight for this, so try as I might, I can't be too happy. Also - power outages, fan malfunctions, telephone losing reception, everthing is a bucket of fail. |
| 07:08.22 | bawr | Well, there's always tea/ |
| 07:08.43 | bawr | Except when there's a power outage. Then it's tricky to pull off. :) |
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| 07:09.12 | kblin | there's an ancient discovery called "fire" |
| 07:09.34 | kblin | it seems pretty low-tech, but you can use it to heat water |
| 07:09.38 | bawr | kblin: But they didn't backport all of the patches I like about electricity. ;) |
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| 07:09.44 | aghisla | gives bawr a bear fur to keep warm |
| 07:09.58 | robbyoconnor | kblin: office space. Melvin. |
| 07:09.59 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 07:10.04 | bawr | *any of the patches |
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| 07:10.55 | kblin | robbyoconnor: huh? |
| 07:11.00 | bawr | More seriously though, I'm done whining for the moment. Power and internets are back, music is playhing, life is good. |
| 07:11.09 | robbyoconnor | kblin: you dont remember the scene where he burns down the building? :) |
| 07:11.17 | aghisla | bawr: kitchen stove is a good backport imho |
| 07:11.30 | aghisla | i used to heat, cook and bake bread with it |
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| 07:11.37 | robbyoconnor | for some reason i thoight of that |
| 07:11.40 | aghisla | and boil tea :) |
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| 07:12.10 | bawr | I love cooking with gas. Presto, boiling water. |
| 07:13.05 | bawr | Hm. Wait a minute! I have gas here... and I have matches. Nothing shall stand between me and my tea! |
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| 07:13.17 | aghisla | bawr wins |
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| 07:13.38 | kblin | robbyoconnor: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 07:13.41 | kageiit | i dont drink tea pfft |
| 07:13.45 | adimania | hands bawr some cookies. :) |
| 07:13.59 | robbyoconnor | kblin: surely you've seen the move Office Space! |
| 07:14.04 | bawr | Awesome, cookies. |
| 07:14.09 | kageiit | ya awesome movie |
| 07:14.09 | kblin | nope |
| 07:14.14 | robbyoconnor | FAIL! |
| 07:14.24 | kageiit | uber phail! |
| 07:14.33 | kblin | shrugs |
| 07:14.39 | robbyoconnor | awesome movie dude |
| 07:14.43 | robbyoconnor | watch it when you get a chance |
| 07:14.48 | bawr | kblin: You should fix that. Well, consider it, anyway. It's a nice movie, seems fairly popular in the coder demographic. |
| 07:15.01 | MetalDust_flopZz | "I'll put stricknine in the guacamole." |
| 07:15.02 | kageiit | ya and just after that watch Amelie |
| 07:15.24 | scorche | aghisla: AGH!....one should not *ever* boil tea! |
| 07:15.26 | bawr | kageiit: Does not compute. |
| 07:15.46 | kageiit | ur hardware is too old to comprehend |
| 07:15.49 | kageiit | @bawr |
| 07:15.52 | robbyoconnor | anyways |
| 07:16.08 | robbyoconnor | Melvin is this guy they basically laid off but forgot to tell |
| 07:16.19 | adimania | scorche: why so? |
| 07:16.49 | bawr | Please don't do twitter quotes, they make me a sad sparrow. :< |
| 07:16.49 | robbyoconnor | so they kept moving him around (ultimately into the basement) and he threatens to and follows through with his threat to burn down the building |
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| 07:17.03 | bawr | adimania: Boiling water for the tea is not the same as boiling tea, I guess. ;) |
| 07:17.11 | robbyoconnor | he's also the "Swingline Stapler" guy in the movie :) |
| 07:17.14 | robbyoconnor | that i wont give away :) |
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| 07:17.25 | scorche | adimania: boiling the tea tends to extract much more bitter flavors, spoil the taste, and other negative effects |
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| 07:18.10 | bawr | scorche: All I needed to know about making tea I learned from George Orwell. :) |
| 07:18.16 | kblin | it's a short movie? |
| 07:18.25 | robbyoconnor | kblin: -ish |
| 07:18.32 | adimania | some people actually like that taste but ya harmful effects are there for sure |
| 07:18.35 | robbyoconnor | not too long |
| 07:18.40 | kblin | looking at imdb right now |
| 07:19.21 | kblin | it took eight years for this movie to show up in germany, with a title that's so boring that I wouldn't watch it if it was the only program on |
| 07:19.22 | robbyoconnor | it's not titantic |
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| 07:19.40 | robbyoconnor | whta? |
| 07:19.43 | robbyoconnor | "Office Space"? |
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| 07:20.19 | scorche | different types of tea should be steeped in different tempteratures for different periods too |
| 07:20.37 | robbyoconnor | o/ |
| 07:20.41 | robbyoconnor | im gonna go back to bed |
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| 07:23.09 | adimania | never thought that much before having a cup of tea. |
| 07:23.27 | bawr | scorche: Perhaps, but I'm a lazy bastard who likes his tea strong, so I go with Orwell's "water should be boiling at point of impact" pretty much uniformly. |
| 07:23.29 | adimania | I guess making a *proper* cup of tea is not my cup of tea |
| 07:23.47 | adimania | :D |
| 07:24.08 | bawr | I can only add that perhaps making a nice cup of tea is more palatable for you. :) |
| 07:24.25 | scorche | boiling water is fine for herbal, black, and dark oolong teas....as long as you dont boil the tea itself...just pour boiling water in it |
| 07:24.55 | scorche | likes to treat tea as more of a ritualesque thing....to each their own =) |
| 07:25.06 | thebolt | agrees with scorche |
| 07:25.23 | scorche | waves at thebolt |
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| 07:26.14 | thebolt | I'm happy I have a private supplier of tea atm.. cannot get any Taiwanese teas in this country (and I really like some of those) |
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| 07:26.19 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:26.30 | bawr | I'm currently developing a pipe habit for my ritualistic needs. ;) |
| 07:27.25 | thebolt | in fact, right now I have more taiwanese mountain-oolong than I can possibly finish before I move.. have to find someone to give one packet to :P |
| 07:27.31 | scorche | thebolt: mmmm...the girlfriend brought me a bunch of nice handwrapped blooming pieces last time she was down there |
| 07:27.33 | scorche | <3 |
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| 07:28.25 | kageiit | the girlfriend? |
| 07:28.28 | kageiit | lol |
| 07:28.39 | scorche | thebolt: this is my favorite supplier of tea: http://www.adagio.com |
| 07:28.39 | thebolt | scorche: heh, well, after I move I will have infinite access to it :P |
| 07:28.44 | bawr | Oolong, you say? To each their own, I've never been to fond of it myself. |
| 07:28.59 | scorche | perhaps you might like this one? (though i ahve never tried it) http://www.adagio.com/oolong/formosa.html |
| 07:29.01 | Landon | is a Swiss Miss hot cocoa man himself |
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| 07:29.46 | Landon | boiling at point of impact and should be consumed as soon as it's mixed with a teaspoon |
| 07:29.53 | scorche | well, it seems ther are bette ones than the #8, but still....i <3 adiago teas |
| 07:30.06 | Landon | sidenote: my mouth hates me, hasn't seemed to adapt yet |
| 07:30.17 | thebolt | scorche: well, feels a bit uneccesary right now (given I am in a bit of an economic pinch) to order taiwanese tea from US (I live in europe).. when I am moving back to Taiwan in 6 months (and have two really good taiwanese oolongs in my kitchen already) |
| 07:30.27 | scorche | true |
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| 07:30.51 | scorche | are you planning on hitting the mentor summit? |
| 07:31.04 | thebolt | nah, i won't be a mentor or admin this year |
| 07:31.11 | thebolt | I don't have time, unforutnately :/ |
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| 07:31.37 | thebolt | Finishing my own MSc thesis and starting a company.. and then moving, is taking all my time |
| 07:31.40 | scorche | ah....nevermind then...i was going to say that you should feel free to offload some to me ;) |
| 07:31.45 | thebolt | haha :) |
| 07:31.46 | scorche | i can imagine |
| 07:32.10 | thebolt | in fact, i should get going now.. going to the bank to setup accounts for said company (or well, one of two I am about to start.. :P) |
| 07:32.16 | thebolt | cya |
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| 08:39.58 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 08:47.56 | Waren | yo |
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| 09:00.05 | CiswatiC | wow this is fun using my phone to connect irc! |
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| 09:01.06 | yevlempy | CiswatiC, you are using what to connect your phone to irc? |
| 09:01.26 | CiswatiC | jmirc |
| 09:01.31 | aghisla | uses a spork to connect to IRC |
| 09:01.47 | CiswatiC | for java handsets |
| 09:02.02 | yevlempy | hmmm |
| 09:03.13 | CiswatiC | load shedding from morning to night so searched this app. |
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| 09:04.14 | krkhan | the last modified date on my proposal isn't changing regardless of whether the mentor or i comment on it. is this the expected behavior? |
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| 09:05.33 | firc | CiswatiC: where do you live? india? |
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| 09:10.14 | bawr | krkhan: Same here, so it appears so., |
| 09:10.23 | bawr | After all, comments are not the same as edits. |
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| 09:14.08 | firc | CiswatiC: heh, i guess india? |
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| 09:15.09 | CiswatiC | yes |
| 09:15.34 | firc | CiswatiC: load sheddings, where else :D |
| 09:16.09 | CiswatiC | thats true;-) |
| 09:16.51 | CiswatiC | firc: u? |
| 09:17.11 | firc | then they want India to do more with regards to global warming. The govt. does it part. Refuse electricity to the people, most part of the day :P |
| 09:17.16 | firc | CiswatiC: india! |
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| 09:18.15 | aghisla | there was something ecological like that in south africa as well |
| 09:18.48 | firc | oh? South africa has power cuts too? |
| 09:18.56 | CiswatiC | ya i just saw you over the indian channel |
| 09:19.24 | aghisla | firc: not always but i experienced some of them. |
| 09:19.43 | CiswatiC | i thought it dint have at all |
| 09:20.06 | firc | aghisla: ah, then we're way ahead of them. The administration here religiously cuts power supply for 2 hours ( or more! ) daily |
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| 09:20.07 | CiswatiC | just kidding |
| 09:20.59 | aghisla | do they warn people about cuts in India? in SA they just cut |
| 09:21.05 | firc | and thats just because I'm in a city. The folks in rural areas live without electricity for 4 hours or more. heh. |
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| 09:21.34 | firc | aghisla: when its a planned cut, ex. the 2 hour daily.. yes, they announce it beforehand. But apart from them, its all according to their will |
| 09:21.43 | firc | *that |
| 09:22.06 | aghisla | same there, then, except that planned cuts are NOT announced :D |
| 09:22.25 | firc | hehe |
| 09:22.30 | CiswatiC | ya in the morning they say ppl have lots of fun today is black day... damn politicians cant invest our money in some nuclear power plant. |
| 09:22.36 | aghisla | i went to the office one morning, they cut power at 9, we just got home. Power came back at 4pm. |
| 09:23.53 | firc | CiswatiC: they're investing it in IPL investigation! |
| 09:24.15 | firc | aghisla: to top it all, the temperature here is soaring nowdays. Its 41C outside! |
| 09:24.46 | aghisla | firc: D: |
| 09:24.51 | CiswatiC | firc: ya but i think it will help control money laundering. |
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| 09:25.26 | firc | it's still an allegation CiswatiC. Modi is running around to prove that all this is false. heh. |
| 09:25.47 | CiswatiC | firc: u sound like a south indian. r u? |
| 09:25.53 | firc | Nope. |
| 09:26.01 | firc | what makes you think that? |
| 09:26.52 | CiswatiC | firc: but its open truth the matches are fixed. |
| 09:27.37 | firc | Hmm. what makes you think that? CSK winning over KXIP? I'm not entirely convinced that the matches are fixed. |
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| 09:30.00 | CiswatiC | firc its how modi filled his pocket. and thats what all say. |
| 09:30.35 | firc | yep. Lets see what this probe comes out with. If the matches were fixed, it'd seriously hurt the IPL brand. |
| 09:31.29 | CiswatiC | firc: in news channel they where showing the catch drops. count them you will get to know. |
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| 09:32.10 | firc | ah yes, the dropped catches. They've increased by quite a factor in this edition. |
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| 09:34.34 | CiswatiC | firc: its a shame to india and cricket:( |
| 09:35.22 | firc | yes, it would be, if the charges are proved. Before that, I wouldn't want to accept these charges. |
| 09:37.22 | CiswatiC | firc: thats true. have to wait & watch. |
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| 10:18.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 10:35.52 | enthus | !next |
| 10:35.52 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 10:42.37 | firc | hi |
| 10:42.44 | firc | how do i withdraw my application? |
| 10:43.00 | Ivanovic | firc: there should probably be some button somewhere |
| 10:43.20 | Ivanovic | firc: at least you could/should leave a public comment that you don't want to participate with this org |
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| 10:44.06 | Ivanovic | (in case the withdraw button is not there or that you don't find it as well as making sure that those subscribed to updates do get notified about it) |
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| 10:57.42 | firc | Ivanovic: Hmm, it seems I can't withdraw my application before the results are announced? |
| 10:57.57 | firc | or does google do the duplicate resolution? |
| 10:58.01 | Ivanovic | firc: at least tell the org where you want to retreat |
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| 10:58.11 | Ivanovic | the duplicate resolution is done between the orgs |
| 10:58.21 | Ivanovic | where google does hold a "final meeting" tomorrow |
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| 11:00.48 | firc | ah ok. |
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| 11:12.14 | ojwb | firc: um, if you're a duplicate, withdrawing your application is probably unwuse |
| 11:12.16 | ojwb | unwise |
| 11:12.30 | ojwb | it'll confuse things, and you might end up not accepted by anyone |
| 11:12.30 | firc | how come? |
| 11:12.36 | firc | oh! |
| 11:13.17 | ojwb | well, admin at org A agress to let admin at org B have you, and meanwhile you withdraw application from org B |
| 11:13.38 | firc | hmm, it seems there is no option to withdraw.. |
| 11:13.45 | firc | so this case wouldn't arise. |
| 11:14.02 | ojwb | ok |
| 11:14.11 | infinity0 | there is a withdraw option somewhere, or at least there was before applications closed |
| 11:14.14 | ojwb | you can withdraw at some points, perhaps only before the deadline |
| 11:14.45 | firc | yep. I don't think we can withdraw now. |
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| 11:16.00 | CiswatiC | the only way is to add to comment. But if your comment is not read then it can happen like how ojwb said. |
| 11:16.25 | CiswatiC | so its not worth the risk.:) |
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| 11:17.38 | ihalip | !countdown |
| 11:17.39 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 11:17.44 | firc | hmm |
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| 11:35.43 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 12:01.58 | CiswatiC | !logs |
| 12:01.58 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 12:04.37 | mayanks43 | :-( |
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| 12:04.51 | mayanks43 | socinfo bk gr8 |
| 12:04.52 | socinfo | Error: "bk" is not a valid command. |
| 12:05.55 | CiswatiC | ;-) |
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| 12:08.11 | ihalip | socinfo wb |
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| 12:08.17 | ihalip | meh. |
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| 12:09.24 | idrissdev | hey everybody ,Do you need someone to help you on your project , i am her to be a partener ;) |
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| 12:15.41 | ojwb | idrissdev: that's not permitted |
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| 12:17.41 | skbohra | idrissdev: in gsoc project ? or in general |
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| 12:18.34 | aghisla | idrissdev: i have dishes to wasj |
| 12:18.35 | aghisla | wash |
| 12:19.12 | skbohra | aghisla: hehe |
| 12:20.17 | aghisla | idrissdev: you're most welcome to help in opensource projects, but not in specific gsoc student applications - sorry. |
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| 12:28.24 | bawr | Arrgh. Still six days until results are in. |
| 12:29.45 | qrng | Have patience and perseverance, young man. |
| 12:30.24 | qrng | Thou shalt endure. |
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| 12:30.40 | skbohra | and this year around too, i went without comments |
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| 12:32.18 | qrng | nods. |
| 12:33.33 | qrng | I must admit that curiosity kills me, too. Curiosity, in general, is actually quite deadly, especially having in mind that it killed the proverbial cat. |
| 12:35.06 | adimania | is searching on internet for a book named "Philosophy by qrng (Vol. I)" |
| 12:35.42 | aghisla | i got it in pdf! |
| 12:35.44 | aghisla | nice reading |
| 12:36.51 | adimania | yay! pass on the link for the greater good of mankind :P |
| 12:37.24 | skbohra | temperature 46 degree centigrade here! :-( |
| 12:37.29 | DCSatyajeet | help |
| 12:37.37 | DCSatyajeet | !help |
| 12:37.37 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 12:37.48 | aghisla | !cooling |
| 12:37.48 | socinfo | Error: "cooling" is not a valid command. |
| 12:37.48 | Bamieater | Slaolie! http://home.wanadoo.nl/melvin.r/casemod/P3300014.JPG |
| 12:37.57 | DCSatyajeet | !botabuse |
| 12:37.57 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 12:38.08 | DCSatyajeet | !next |
| 12:38.08 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 12:38.17 | DCSatyajeet | !advice |
| 12:38.17 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 12:38.19 | qrng | adimania: You would be surprised, but I have written an article or two on queer theory and gender issues in the major discourse of society. |
| 12:38.45 | qrng | Ermm... 7, actually. |
| 12:39.13 | adimania | woa! you can actually write a book. |
| 12:39.56 | qrng | Writing books, my dear adimania, is very easy. The hardest part is to write an INTERESTING book. |
| 12:40.12 | adimania | we'll tell the bot to add your book under !advice command. |
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| 12:40.26 | adimania | well said qrng |
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| 12:41.41 | mayanks43 | is 2day the final day of proposal ranking? |
| 12:42.09 | qrng | Elucidate, please? |
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| 12:42.43 | danderson | also, please don't use sms speak. Unlike SMS messaging, extra characters will not cost you more money on the internet. |
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| 12:43.07 | qrng | I concur wholeheartedly. |
| 12:43.14 | mayanks43 | danderson, habit :P |
| 12:43.21 | mayanks43 | sry |
| 12:43.24 | mayanks43 | sorry |
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| 12:44.12 | mayanks43 | is today the final day when orgs rank ur proposal? |
| 12:44.18 | mayanks43 | *your |
| 12:44.20 | ojwb | you are still doing it... |
| 12:44.23 | ojwb | no it isn't |
| 12:44.34 | danderson | !timeline |
| 12:44.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 12:44.37 | ojwb | changes can happen up until the announcement on 26th |
| 12:44.40 | mayanks43 | k |
| 12:44.59 | ojwb | otherwise we wouldn't have another ~6 days to wait, would we/ |
| 12:45.00 | ojwb | ? |
| 12:45.13 | mayanks43 | i thought it must be for dispute rsolution |
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| 12:45.22 | ojwb | and that can change the rankings |
| 12:45.30 | mayanks43 | ok |
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| 12:48.35 | qrng | By torture driven, in open day, I've been reading the invaders. Convulsed upon the text I lay, -- in anguish sorely jaded. |
| 12:48.55 | qrng | tuts tuts. |
| 12:51.46 | qrng | For some curious reason, those English users, whose mother tongue is (surprisingly!) English, are the hardest to read. |
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| 13:20.28 | aghisla | carols! hope all well. Have a cup of $your_favourite_drink. |
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| 13:20.44 | carols | aghisla: thank you! i'm in an internet cafe right now trying to catch up on email :-) |
| 13:21.54 | aghisla | are you still in europe? |
| 13:22.10 | carols | yes, in amsterdam |
| 13:22.13 | carols | taking three trains and a ferry to london tomorrow |
| 13:22.19 | aghisla | :s |
| 13:22.32 | ojwb | is london any betteR? |
| 13:22.35 | carols | and then the Tube once I'm in london |
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| 13:22.51 | carols | ojwb: in that there's a london office and corporate housing if I need to stay in london, yes. |
| 13:23.02 | ojwb | carols: ah, that's a definite plus |
| 13:23.10 | carols | ojwb: i agree. :-) |
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| 13:24.23 | Ophiuchi | carols: they'll be flying out of FRA soon but the planes will be crammed for a while yet |
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| 13:25.26 | carols | Ophiuchi: yeah, and I know schipol is open but they're only allowing a few flights out. I'm sure getting a Googler home is not their priority right now :-) |
| 13:26.02 | Chainsaw | carols: You may want to check VLM (now KLM, but the logo is still separate). |
| 13:26.12 | neXyon | how does the mentor meeting about duplicate students work? is there a coin thrown? xD |
| 13:26.14 | Chainsaw | carols: They fly turbo-prop Fokker 50 planes that fly quite a bit lower. |
| 13:26.15 | carols | Chainsaw: cool, thanks for the advice |
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| 13:26.27 | Chainsaw | carols: (So they might get a slot; you could try Rotterdam to London City) |
| 13:26.44 | Mek | ams->sfo was among the flights that flew today at least... |
| 13:27.02 | carols | Chainsaw: I've actually already bought my passage to london for tomorrow, so at least that's assured. then its a matter of getting the transatlantic flight |
| 13:27.13 | Ophiuchi | carols: otoh, going to London will make you fly from Heathrow, and there's few worse airport experiences :-} |
| 13:27.18 | Chainsaw | carols: Ah, okay. |
| 13:27.49 | Chainsaw | Ophiuchi: They're likely to be prioritised over AMS because they have fewer runways though. |
| 13:28.01 | Chainsaw | Ophiuchi: So as much as I dislike the Heathrow experience, you might leave earlier. |
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| 13:28.17 | carols | we shall see. I'm not counting on anything right now. i'm assuming i'm taking up residence in london as it is. :-) |
| 13:28.39 | Chainsaw | carols: Quite likely. But at least you then have Shannon as another option as well. |
| 13:28.57 | qrng | What's wrong with Heathrow? |
| 13:29.05 | Chainsaw | qrng: It has a single set of runways. |
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| 13:29.06 | Ophiuchi | Chainsaw: I've only done the self-propelled freight (aka passenger) thing :) |
| 13:29.23 | Chainsaw | qrng: So any problem that makes a plane miss a slot, any at all, has huge knock-on effects lasting the entire day. |
| 13:29.33 | carols | Chainsaw: yes, good point. |
| 13:29.44 | qrng | nods. |
| 13:30.20 | Ophiuchi | from the daft passenger perspective, it's .. lacking in being lovely, and what they do to luggage there is worrying |
| 13:30.33 | aghisla | i realise how we need planes - when we not have them |
| 13:30.52 | Chainsaw | Ophiuchi: Terminal 5 is supposed to be a bit better now. We all know it wasn't off to a good start; but I've since heard positive reviews from people I trust. |
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| 13:31.31 | Chainsaw | Ophiuchi: I prefer to fly from London City; but unfortunately my only option from City is an all-business 737ER to New York with a stop-over in Shannon. |
| 13:31.43 | ojwb | Chainsaw: "terminal 5 working well" doesn't make for such great headlines |
| 13:31.55 | Chainsaw | Ophiuchi: Provided BA still fly that. |
| 13:32.12 | Chainsaw | ojwb: This is true. |
| 13:32.13 | David_Honeynet | pretty much nothing has moved in the UK for days, so going to be messy for a while... |
| 13:32.24 | David_Honeynet | was cancelled UK to US :( |
| 13:32.38 | Chainsaw | We have an employee stuck in the US, yes. |
| 13:32.44 | aghisla | milan malpensa reopened today |
| 13:32.50 | neXyon | nobody able to answer my question? :| |
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| 13:32.59 | Ophiuchi | Chainsaw: Munich-London is to Heathrow, I had the pleasure ~every 3 months for a while |
| 13:33.19 | Chainsaw | neXyon: Consider it like binding arbitration. |
| 13:33.21 | aghisla | neXyon: yes, or dice, at choice |
| 13:33.36 | Chainsaw | neXyon: If the two organisation can't figure it out, carols will decide for you. |
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| 13:33.55 | Chainsaw | neXyon: Ideally the two of you work it out amongst yourselves. |
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| 13:34.31 | neXyon | Chainsaw: the two mentors? |
| 13:34.32 | Ophiuchi | asking the student might be considered :) |
| 13:34.52 | neXyon | because I'm the student and got asked xD |
| 13:35.19 | Chainsaw | neXyon: The two organisations, yes. |
| 13:35.24 | aghisla | i was the subject of a duplication last year and they didn't ask me my advice |
| 13:35.30 | Chainsaw | neXyon: If *you* have a preference, that'll help. |
| 13:35.46 | Chainsaw | neXyon: You can be proactive about this. |
| 13:35.52 | neXyon | Chainsaw: well I'd love to do both, cannot really decide, that's why I ask :) |
| 13:36.12 | Chainsaw | neXyon: Right, it may come to the meeting then. |
| 13:36.34 | Chainsaw | neXyon: But if you have a sudden epiphany and realise, *that* one is right for me, contact both organisations and tell them how you feel about it. |
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| 13:43.07 | neXyon | Chainsaw: well, as that's not fixed yet, if I decide for one, is it then possible that I don't get a slot there and would have got one for the other? |
| 13:43.44 | Chainsaw | neXyon: It's always a possibility, yes. Which is why you should express your preference as soon as you can, should you have one. |
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| 13:44.50 | neXyon | Chainsaw: I see that differently. If I pick the wrong one, it's my fault :) |
| 13:45.30 | Chainsaw | wb carols |
| 13:45.53 | carols | Chainsaw: thanks. to add insult to injury for this whole thing, my internet connection has been..sketchy at best. |
| 13:45.59 | carols | worst possible time. |
| 13:46.05 | Chainsaw | carols: It's strange though, XS4ALL is normally quite good. |
| 13:46.41 | Chainsaw | carols: neXyon seems concerned about doing preemptive duplicate resolution. |
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| 13:47.03 | carols | neXyon: is there a question you wanted me to answer? |
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| 13:48.48 | toad_ | how do i tell which orgs a duplicate conflict is with? |
| 13:49.27 | borja | toad_: if you're an admin, you can see in the proposal itself |
| 13:49.30 | borja | toad_: down by the comments |
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| 13:50.21 | toad_ | borja: where exactly? and yes i am admin... |
| 13:50.39 | neXyon | carols: well, I wrote that if I choose a project and then not get a slot although I would have got one for the other, I'd shoot myself in the foot |
| 13:50.52 | borja | toad_: ah, take into account that "The duplicates are being calculated, please note that what you are seeing might be incomplete." |
| 13:51.02 | borja | toad_: So some proposals might show up as duplicates when they actually are not |
| 13:51.20 | toad_ | all of our students show up as dupes but there is no info on who the conflict is with :| |
| 13:51.22 | borja | toad_: wait until the message at the top of the list of proposals changes to "Duplicates were last calculated at ..." |
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| 13:51.46 | toad_ | borja: which will happen tomorrow? |
| 13:52.20 | borja | toad_: no, my understanding is that the deduplication algorithm runs every hour or so. When it is running, Melange shows funky data. |
| 13:52.28 | toad_ | ah okay |
| 13:52.31 | toad_ | so just reload |
| 13:52.34 | borja | toad_: /me nods |
| 13:52.37 | borja | err |
| 13:52.40 | borja | nods |
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| 13:53.53 | carols | ...and we're back! |
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| 13:54.01 | Ophiuchi | applies some instant glue to carols |
| 13:54.37 | carols | Ophiuchi: thanks. i can use it. :-) |
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| 13:55.14 | Ivanovic | hi carols |
| 13:55.17 | neXyon | carols: what's you opinion to that? |
| 13:55.18 | Ivanovic | you are back where? |
| 13:55.22 | Ivanovic | back in the US? |
| 13:55.27 | borja | waves to carols |
| 13:55.35 | Ivanovic | if yes: how have you managed this? |
| 13:55.39 | neXyon | <neXyon> carols: well, I wrote that if I choose a project and then not get a slot although I would have got one for the other, I'd shoot myself in the foot |
| 13:55.53 | carols | Ivanovic: no, im in amsterdam. waiting ofr a series of trains and a ferry to london |
| 13:55.58 | carols | waves to borja |
| 13:56.29 | carols | neXyon: sorry, im not understanding. are you a mentor or a student? |
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| 13:56.36 | toad_ | how long does duplicate recalculation take? |
| 13:56.41 | anirvana | hi everyone, Is the final slot allotment to the orgs done? |
| 13:56.41 | neXyon | carols: student |
| 13:56.52 | toad_ | if it happens once an hour logically it shouldn't take a long time, right? |
| 13:56.54 | carols | neXyon: so you have two projects competing for you now? |
| 13:57.07 | neXyon | carols: I'm marked duplicate yeah |
| 13:57.14 | borja | anirvana: almost final; orgs are currently resolving duplicate students, so there might still be some minor changes in slot allotments |
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| 13:57.19 | neXyon | carols: at least the mentors told me so |
| 13:57.36 | carols | neXyon: ok, then i have told the orgs and i can reiterate to them that they must be clear with each other who is taking you. one of them has to. |
| 13:57.46 | Ivanovic | carols: and you hope to eventually be able to flee europe via london? |
| 13:57.58 | anirvana | borja : Do the students know that they have been selected in 2 orgs? |
| 13:58.01 | carols | Ivanovic: yes, although im wondering now if im taking up temporary residence in lond |
| 13:58.05 | Ivanovic | or have the british reestablished the connection of the titanic? |
| 13:58.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:58.14 | neXyon | carols: but it's still not sure if I get a slot, when that's decided, right? |
| 13:58.25 | carols | lond |
| 13:58.25 | carols | london |
| 13:58.25 | carols | needs more sleep |
| 13:58.29 | Ivanovic | anirvana: they don't see it themselves |
| 13:58.37 | borja | anirvana: if that has happened, typically the orgs will contact the student to ask what org they prefer. |
| 13:58.38 | anirvana | ok |
| 13:58.42 | Ivanovic | anirvana: they only know it, if an org admin/mentor tells them |
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| 13:58.50 | toad_ | only if the duplicate detection cod works ... |
| 13:59.01 | borja | toad_: I think it takes a long time to run |
| 13:59.02 | toad_ | how long does it take to update? |
| 13:59.03 | Ivanovic | *but* even if you have a duplicate it does *not* mean that you are asked about your preferences, it can happen |
| 13:59.22 | toad_ | borja: so it runs once an hour and takes 58 minutes? ;) |
| 13:59.28 | borja | heh |
| 13:59.31 | ojwb | or 61 minutes |
| 13:59.42 | toad_ | guesses it didn't start on the hour |
| 13:59.42 | dberkholz | durin42: any word yet? |
| 13:59.54 | carols | neXyon: ok, nothing is for sure in this world. but one of the orgs should take you. |
| 14:00.49 | borja | toad_: fwiw, I checked earlier this morning (less than an hour ago) and it wasn't running |
| 14:00.55 | neXyon | carols: and from the point of view of the orgs, how should they decide which one takes the student? throw a coin?! |
| 14:01.15 | toad_ | borja: ok thanks |
| 14:01.16 | borja | neXyon: in most cases, the orgs will ask the student what org he/she prefers |
| 14:01.19 | aghisla | who shouts louder |
| 14:01.22 | borja | neXyon: It just isn't a strict requirement |
| 14:01.24 | Ivanovic | neXyon: they should communicate |
| 14:01.24 | carols | neXyon: no, not throwing a coin. they need to decide between them where you would fit best for your summer. |
| 14:01.47 | toad_ | | The duplicates were last calculated on 20th April 2010 14:01 UTC |
| 14:01.49 | toad_ | yay |
| 14:02.07 | toad_ | yay no dupes |
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| 14:02.57 | Ophiuchi | quit all clicking reload when I do ;-P |
| 14:03.18 | dberkholz | it appear to be doing the dupe calculation now anyway, so don't bother if that's what you need |
| 14:03.20 | borja | hurrah! no dupes here either |
| 14:03.32 | borja | dberkholz: no, it finished a few minutes ago |
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| 14:04.56 | dberkholz | ah. i haven't been reloading every 60 seconds to check |
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| 14:10.00 | topfs2 | !timetable |
| 14:10.00 | socinfo | Error: "timetable" is not a valid command. |
| 14:10.05 | topfs2 | !timeplan |
| 14:10.06 | socinfo | Error: "timeplan" is not a valid command. |
| 14:10.11 | topfs2 | ah heck, google then |
| 14:10.25 | SukhE | !timeline |
| 14:10.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 14:10.39 | topfs2 | doh, thx mate :) |
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| 14:11.16 | maheshs | !logs |
| 14:11.16 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 14:13.52 | dberkholz | carols: we're going to have a fair number of slots to return, as dupe resolution just isn't going our way |
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| 14:16.30 | carols | dberkholz: ok, thanks for letting me know. im sorry to hear that. :-( |
| 14:17.56 | kai | meh |
| 14:18.39 | dberkholz | carols: although disappointing, it's for the best -- it's always gone the student's way and we want what's best for them |
| 14:18.55 | carols | dberkholz: ok, that's good. I'm glad to hear that. |
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| 14:21.02 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: and you don't have enough good backup students? |
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| 14:21.51 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: not for those projects, unfortunately |
| 14:21.59 | Ivanovic | :( |
| 14:22.00 | dberkholz | we've got backup students for the non-duped projects |
| 14:22.06 | dberkholz | sometimes it just works out that way |
| 14:22.14 | sfb | kai: hi |
| 14:22.31 | kai | hi sfb |
| 14:22.50 | Ophiuchi | dberkholz: oh, that's unfortunate |
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| 14:22.52 | dberkholz | we actually had 7 backup students, but all of our first picks for those projects are good |
| 14:23.32 | dberkholz | c'est la vie |
| 14:23.38 | Ophiuchi | dberkholz: and "sorry for pilfering" (but I think our project for them is better, too) |
| 14:24.05 | maveriick | !logs |
| 14:24.05 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 14:24.18 | dberkholz | Ophiuchi: no worries, like i was saying, i'm happy to see things go the student's way |
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| 14:35.08 | durin42 | carols: around? |
| 14:35.14 | carols | durin42: yes |
| 14:35.16 | carols | for now :-) |
| 14:35.22 | carols | until the internet cafe drops the wifi again |
| 14:35.32 | durin42 | carols: so, for Mercurial, we've lost 3 of our top 4. Is there any way to tell if some of our backups are duplicates? |
| 14:35.57 | dberkholz | carols: i just dropped you an email regarding slots |
| 14:36.29 | carols | durin42: ouch. well, the deduplication algorithm only searches for dupes that are ranked and have a mentor assigned, so you'll need to do that for the backups and then wait until the algorithm runs again (once/hour) |
| 14:36.33 | carols | dberkholz: thanks |
| 14:36.43 | durin42 | carols: ok, great |
| 14:36.52 | carols | durin42: sorry to hear about losing your top candidates. :-( |
| 14:37.07 | durin42 | carols: it happens, one isn't even a duplicate |
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| 14:40.04 | Ivanovic | carols: with "ranked" you mean "among the top X", where X is the number of slots allocated to the org, correct? |
| 14:41.18 | carols | Ivanovic: exactly right. |
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| 14:41.58 | durin42 | dberkholz: um, Rafael is now showing as pending acceptance for us, is that a bug? |
| 14:42.17 | dberkholz | durin42: should be. i haven't touched his app |
| 14:42.21 | dberkholz | reloads |
| 14:42.33 | durin42 | maybe start of a new dedupe run |
| 14:42.48 | dberkholz | durin42: yep, see note at the top of the page |
| 14:42.59 | dberkholz | "The duplicates are being calculated, please note that what you are seeing might be incomplete. " |
| 14:43.03 | durin42 | ah, ok |
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| 14:43.25 | mayanks43 | what is the meaning of duplicate?? :P |
| 14:43.34 | durin42 | mayanks43: accepted to multiple projects |
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| 14:49.04 | skbohra_ | how many slots freifunk.net got? I know I should ask them, but they are just too silent :) |
| 14:49.24 | dberkholz | perhaps because they aren't supposed to talk about it. =P this is like fight club |
| 14:49.40 | skbohra_ | haha |
| 14:49.47 | mayanks43 | tru |
| 14:49.51 | mayanks43 | its all hidden |
| 14:49.54 | mayanks43 | :P |
| 14:49.59 | Ivanovic | skbohra_: >0 |
| 14:50.05 | ojwb | skbohra_: telling you the number of slots wouldn't really tell you anything useful |
| 14:50.08 | Ivanovic | yeah, i love exact numbers |
| 14:50.20 | ojwb | you'd need to know the number of applications, and how they compare to yours |
| 14:50.25 | mayanks43 | the oath of secrecy and all |
| 14:50.28 | Ivanovic | but hey, in roughly six days you will see how many slots they got at the end |
| 14:50.45 | skbohra_ | omg |
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| 14:50.59 | skbohra_ | I knew it all already :) |
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| 14:52.45 | skbohra_ | ojwb: number of good applications is not hard to guess, giving the active discussion on mailing list :) |
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| 15:01.37 | kai | skbohra_: I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you ;) |
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| 15:08.39 | Fdf | wht shall a person do after taking a dedicate membership in foss.in |
| 15:09.12 | Ivanovic | what is the relation of this to gsoc? |
| 15:09.18 | Ivanovic | that is: what *is* foss.in? |
| 15:09.24 | Ivanovic | is it a participating org? |
| 15:09.27 | Ivanovic | if yes, ask them! |
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| 15:09.52 | skbohra_ | kai: :) |
| 15:09.58 | Fdf | i couln't get the right reply frm foss.in chanell |
| 15:10.25 | kai | skbohra_: that is, I could tell you a number. I don't have any idea about freifunk's slot count |
| 15:10.33 | Fdf | foss.in is the largest open source festival in india |
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| 15:10.51 | kai | Fdf: so what gave you the idea this channel would be more relevant to your question? |
| 15:11.14 | Fdf | both r releted open source coding |
| 15:11.20 | Fdf | thats the reason |
| 15:11.26 | kai | !gsoc |
| 15:11.26 | socinfo | "gsoc" is GSoC refers to the Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums. |
| 15:11.33 | ojwb | Fdf: so are probably half the channels on freenode |
| 15:11.38 | Ivanovic | Fdf: so are several hundred other chans on freenode |
| 15:12.18 | borja | Fdf: if you don't get an answer on the foss.in channel, you may want to try contacting them through other means. They probably have a mailing list set up for that purpose. |
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| 15:12.53 | borja | Fdf: The bottom line is you should try to contact *them*. It's unlikely you'll find help in other channels. |
| 15:13.04 | Fdf | k |
| 15:13.13 | kai | arguably there might be more indians here than in many other channels, but still, what borja said |
| 15:14.12 | Fdf | m leaving |
| 15:14.56 | jprvita | carols: hello! I saw you posted the info about the infosession at Unicamp on the google open source blog |
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| 15:15.07 | jprvita | nice! |
| 15:15.15 | jprvita | carols: all the links are broken, tho |
| 15:15.29 | carols | jprvita: ah, i see. let me check that |
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| 15:16.04 | jprvita | carols: BTW, on the original post there are links to the speakers personal blogs |
| 15:16.15 | jprvita | if you want to add |
| 15:16.31 | carols | jprvita: sure |
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| 15:16.48 | jprvita | or just put the link to the original post: http://jprvita.wordpress.com/ |
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| 15:17.14 | jprvita | hum, actually the 2nd post: http://jprvita.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/gsoc10-infosession-numbers-and-pictures/ |
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| 15:22.52 | kasun | !next |
| 15:22.52 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 15:37.46 | Chainsaw | carols: Balloons over Stansted due to the restrictions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JqrA0BUHlk |
| 15:37.51 | Chainsaw | carols: At least something nice came of it. |
| 15:37.57 | carols | Chainsaw: cool, thanks |
| 15:38.36 | MatthewWilkes | Nothing good ever happens in Stansted |
| 15:39.14 | Chainsaw | MatthewWilkes: Except today. Only zeppelins would be a prettier sight then this :) |
| 15:39.44 | MatthewWilkes | I've slept on the floor of stansted too many times. I even have a favourite place. |
| 15:40.04 | Chainsaw | MatthewWilkes: Wow. |
| 15:40.26 | MatthewWilkes | There's a pillar next to the internet cafe in checkin with adverts on it and a staff-only door behind it. One side is covered, secluded and has a power socket. It's the best place in the airport to have a nap. |
| 15:40.44 | MatthewWilkes | You can pug your phone in and set an alarm so the battery won't die, nobody steps over you, etc |
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| 15:41.27 | mlankhorst | there, now my keyboard is wireless again |
| 15:41.37 | mlankhorst | \o/ |
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| 15:41.52 | mlankhorst | carols: did you make it to mtv? |
| 15:42.12 | carols | mlankhorst: nope. i have a series of trains and then a ferry and then more trains to get from here to london |
| 15:42.15 | lolfrenz | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/linkid/tID |
| 15:42.19 | lolfrenz | is this how a proposal should look like? |
| 15:42.28 | lolfrenz | sorry |
| 15:42.30 | lolfrenz | a proposal link |
| 15:42.35 | mlankhorst | carols: what's the point? It'd be the same anywhere in europe :) |
| 15:42.37 | lolfrenz | don't open that website, it's a sample link |
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| 15:42.46 | Alexia_Death_ | hmm... Has something changed in melange and students no longer get email on comments of their proposals? |
| 15:42.46 | lolfrenz | ID means the propsal ID and linkid means the link id |
| 15:42.48 | carols | mlankhorst: there's a google office and corp housing in london |
| 15:42.53 | mlankhorst | ahh |
| 15:43.05 | lolfrenz | I want to give the link to my proposal to the org's mailing list |
| 15:43.10 | carols | mlankhorst: and an internet connection for tomorrow's IRC meeting |
| 15:43.10 | lolfrenz | is this a good idea? the proposal is private |
| 15:43.38 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: isnt it too late? |
| 15:43.43 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Wow, you going in via Newcastle or around to calais? |
| 15:43.50 | skbohra_ | things are finalized already |
| 15:44.19 | carols | MatthewWilkes: calais |
| 15:45.08 | mlankhorst | carols: sweet :) |
| 15:45.25 | dberkholz | David_Honeynet: hi there -- let me know if you want to talk real-time instead of email |
| 15:45.35 | mlankhorst | wasn't there a small sales office in amsterdam you could stay at instead though? |
| 15:46.02 | MatthewWilkes | carols: At least the trains will be the fast ones then, not like the crosscountry ones we have here |
| 15:46.24 | carols | mlankhorst: yes, there was. and i was there yesterday. but the london office is bigger, my original flight was from london, and if im there indefinitely i dont have to keep racking up the hotel bill |
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| 15:46.31 | MatthewWilkes | 208 miles in only 6.5 hours the other week. Damn awful trains. |
| 15:46.31 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yes, for sure |
| 15:46.51 | mlankhorst | carols: shrug, google pays ;) |
| 15:47.06 | epps | its too late lolfrenz |
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| 15:47.23 | mlankhorst | to lose a day's worth doing nothing but travelling would probably cost them more |
| 15:47.27 | carols | mlankhorst: yes, but I try not to spend money I dont need to if possible. :-) |
| 15:47.48 | carols | mlankhorst: oh, ill be working tomorrow. they're getting their productivity out of me |
| 15:47.59 | carols | also, i think the mentors list needs some tending to. |
| 15:48.12 | carols | so i'm working |
| 15:48.13 | mlankhorst | carols: I kinda flipped the bozo bit on that list |
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| 15:48.16 | mlankhorst | :) |
| 15:48.28 | MatthewWilkes | mlankhorst: I did that last year, then gave up and came back |
| 15:48.39 | lolfrenz | skbohra_, too late to ask for an opinion on my proposal? |
| 15:48.39 | MatthewWilkes | My spam filter has learnt about filtering some of the worst mails, though |
| 15:48.44 | carols | mlankhorst: can't leave the mentors alone for even 12 hours unsupervised :-) |
| 15:49.01 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: yeah , probably |
| 15:49.02 | mlankhorst | sure you can ;P |
| 15:49.09 | mlankhorst | well maybe not the mentors at this stage |
| 15:49.56 | mlankhorst | carols: btw ty for slot :) |
| 15:50.07 | lolfrenz | skbohra_, I thought I have until the 26th |
| 15:50.15 | carols | mlankhorst: yw. happy to help. |
| 15:50.30 | carols | lolfrenz: no, you missed the deadline. students accepted are announced on the 26th |
| 15:50.54 | epps | fail |
| 15:51.07 | MatthewWilkes | mlankhorst: Use it wisely! |
| 15:51.25 | lolfrenz | what deadline have I missed? the timeline says the deadline is april 21st |
| 15:51.27 | mlankhorst | :) |
| 15:51.30 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 15:51.30 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 15:51.41 | carols | thanks mlankhorst |
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| 15:52.09 | lolfrenz | you are aware that I was not referring to posting an application, aren't you? |
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| 15:52.37 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: organizations have already decided on whom to choose, by now |
| 15:52.46 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: but you can try |
| 15:53.01 | lolfrenz | okay, I won't post on their ml then |
| 15:53.21 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: there's no harm posting |
| 15:53.23 | spectie | carols, hey |
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| 15:53.34 | lolfrenz | well, I could look stupid xD |
| 15:53.36 | carols | spectie: hey |
| 15:53.39 | spectie | may i send you an /msg ? |
| 15:53.46 | MatthewWilkes | lolfrenz, skbohra_: They will have made preliminary choices but they can still change. There's nothing at all wrong with keeping in touch with them |
| 15:53.50 | spectie | if you are busy |
| 15:53.50 | spectie | it can wait |
| 15:54.18 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: what MatthewWilkes said |
| 15:54.27 | lolfrenz | sweet |
| 15:54.31 | lolfrenz | thanks |
| 15:55.12 | epps | better luck next year |
| 15:55.33 | skbohra_ | epps: you never know :) |
| 15:55.52 | epps | heh |
| 15:57.16 | lolfrenz | I wonder if it's a good idea for one to purposely fail college just to be a student longer as to earn more money via GSoC |
| 15:57.38 | lolfrenz | or maybe high-school! |
| 15:57.48 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: that would be disaster i think |
| 15:57.51 | MatthewWilkes | I'd go with "no" |
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| 15:58.24 | lolfrenz | skbohra_, why? |
| 15:58.47 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: if you are good enough to get into gsoc, you could probably get a full time job |
| 15:58.51 | skbohra_ | paying you more |
| 15:58.56 | skbohra_ | all round the year |
| 15:59.19 | skbohra_ | and you can contribute to oss in your free time ;) |
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| 15:59.22 | lolfrenz | yes but one can live in a failcountry/failtown |
| 15:59.54 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: what is that ? |
| 16:00.01 | lolfrenz | a country or town that fail |
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| 16:00.17 | bawr | skbohra_: I don't think that's true. Many people are good, but not on paper, making them unhireable. |
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| 16:00.55 | skbohra_ | bawr: become a freelancer :) |
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| 16:01.45 | bawr | I did. Then it made me hate programming for like half a year, so I'm very picky now. |
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| 16:15.26 | borja | carols: are you around? |
| 16:15.28 | skbohra_ | lolfrenz: ah, no country is perfect |
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| 16:15.46 | epps | except denmark |
| 16:15.52 | skbohra_ | epps: :P |
| 16:16.51 | skbohra_ | epps: denmark has more cows then humans ? |
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| 16:18.51 | epps | don't know |
| 16:19.19 | epps | I'll find out when I start my masters in september :D |
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| 16:38.00 | skbohra_ | this time specific greetings never works on irc :) |
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| 16:39.08 | smtms | it always works |
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| 16:40.57 | skbohra_ | smtms: for most of us it doesnt :D |
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| 16:44.18 | smtms | skbohra_, you are most of us? |
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| 16:45.03 | Ophiuchi | happy $localtime :-P |
| 16:45.05 | skbohra_ | smtms: i mean rest of us, comeone someone come to support me :) |
| 16:45.13 | skbohra_ | Ophiuchi: thanks :) |
| 16:45.54 | firc | skbohra_: g'evening! |
| 16:45.56 | Chainsaw | skbohra_: It totally works. This channel is in UGT. |
| 16:46.09 | Chainsaw | skbohra_: Universal Greeting Time. It is morning when you come in and evening when you leave. |
| 16:46.18 | anirvana | yes |
| 16:46.26 | skbohra_ | Chainsaw: my bad |
| 16:46.33 | Ophiuchi | Chainsaw: :) |
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| 16:49.32 | mlankhorst | have you read the email? |
| 16:49.32 | skbohra_ | no |
| 16:49.41 | smtms | krkhan, her nick is 'carols' |
| 16:49.46 | smtms | krkhan, she obviously isn't here |
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| 16:50.12 | krkhan | smtms: okay, thanks |
| 16:50.13 | Chainsaw | krkhan: She's expected back online tomorrow for the deduplication meeting. |
| 16:50.37 | Chainsaw | krkhan: Because of the volcanic ash cloud over Europe, she's having to take trains & ferries to get to the UK instead of a flight. |
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| 16:51.40 | krkhan | Chainsaw: thanks for the info. i wanted to ask if i have enough time to discuss duplication with both mentors |
| 16:52.11 | smtms | Chainsaw, then a submarine - one of Google's - to get to the US? |
| 16:52.14 | Chainsaw | krkhan: You do, yes. If you get it sorted between the two organisations, just e-mail her a confirmation. |
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| 17:28.54 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 17:36.30 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 17:36.39 | reddragon | !botabuse |
| 17:36.40 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 17:48.52 | hprateek | hey will the students be consulted for their preference in case their proposals are up for deduping |
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| 17:52.09 | Chetan | not necessarily.. |
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| 18:03.03 | vyas021 | ? |
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| 18:07.18 | micahcowan | hprateek, such consultation is encouraged, and we (GNU) make a policy of always getting the student's preference. But it's not required. |
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| 18:08.20 | pygi | hprateek, it sucks if you don't get asked - especially if you sent proposals "just in case" :P |
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| 18:12.24 | emmanuelp | what I don't understand is how then orgs will decide who keeps who? I mean, what if both orgs really liked your proposals? how do they decide if it's not by asking you? mentors of each will fight to the death? |
| 18:13.07 | kageiit_ | ya, lets put the mentors in the Colosseum |
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| 18:13.24 | dho_plan9 | It really only gets hairy when the student applied to two orgs; a really large one and a fairly small one, and the student prefers the application for the large one. |
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| 18:13.51 | Ophiuchi | emmanuelp: yes! fear my awesome claws of +20 tickling! ,-)) |
| 18:13.59 | Ophiuchi | rotfl |
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| 18:14.13 | dho_plan9 | It's harder for a small org to lose a student with a good application. They're much less likely to have someone to fall back on. |
| 18:14.26 | SukhE | I clearly mentioned in my proposal the preference I had for the second org (I applied to two). I wonder whether it is a good practise or not. I did give sound reasons though! |
| 18:14.38 | emmanuelp | lol a wild mentor appears |
| 18:15.17 | hprateek | but itll be unfair on the student if he got selected for an org he really wanted to work for desperately, got selected and then dropped since his other proposal was also selected |
| 18:15.43 | mayanks43 | ? |
| 18:15.52 | kageiit_ | well, the compensation is the same in both cases, so its all good |
| 18:16.16 | xiainx | well, the student should only write proposals for orgs he is really interested in... |
| 18:16.22 | SukhE | hprateek: I guess this is something you would have to live with if you applied to more than one org. |
| 18:16.50 | emmanuelp | yes in the end I guess the fair thing to do would be to ask the student his preference, orgs already got to choose if you / your proposal is worthy or not, the student should have the same opportunity to decide as well |
| 18:16.54 | dho_plan9 | We had a potential duplicate that we worked out prior to the dupe detection phase. |
| 18:17.00 | dberkholz | dho_plan9: yeah, we're on the large side of that equation right now for one student. it's really a bummer, neither org is really happy about it |
| 18:17.13 | dberkholz | we're thrilled to have the student but feel guilty about it |
| 18:17.38 | dberkholz | still, i think going with what the student wants is the best approach |
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| 18:17.53 | dberkholz | it's been a net loss for us, but that's ok |
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| 18:17.59 | dho_plan9 | You have to keep in mind that we're all reasonable people. We aren't going to make decisions purely out of self-interest. |
| 18:18.05 | Ophiuchi | the more motivation, the better the result |
| 18:18.13 | dho_plan9 | dberkholz: We got pretty lucky this year. |
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| 18:18.39 | dho_plan9 | We had to lose a couple proposals we really liked last year, IIRC, and that definitely hurt. |
| 18:18.44 | dberkholz | dho_plan9: i know, you nabbed another of our students. (Ophiuchi did too) |
| 18:19.02 | dho_plan9 | :( |
| 18:19.07 | emmanuelp | lol |
| 18:19.11 | dho_plan9 | /nick studentsnatcher |
| 18:19.21 | trirnoth | Hello all. Apologies for logging onto this IRC to ask, but searching a particular search engine or freenode didn't help. Anyone know of an IRC channel for google hosted API ? |
| 18:19.41 | Catfish_Man | I don't think google tends to have irc channels for any of their products |
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| 18:19.51 | Catfish_Man | (#chromium excepted, but that's really for the project not the product) |
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| 18:20.54 | trirnoth | Problem driving me nuts, forums don't have enough immediacy. Thanks for the replies. I had a feeling since nothing was showing up. |
| 18:21.00 | dberkholz | oh hey, i just got my first notification by email |
| 18:21.06 | dberkholz | after some 500 that never showed up... |
| 18:21.10 | dho_plan9 | Heh. |
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| 18:21.59 | trirnoth | That being the answer, anyone familiar with the Google Hosted API. Writing my interface in Perl though I believe my problem is not language specific. |
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| 18:31.18 | emmanuelp | anyone knows if the rating that orgs gave to your proposal(s) will be made public once the selection process is over? It would be nice to see how well did you do, and asking directly to the orgs you applied for might be a bit of an overhead for them since they probably had 100's or 1000's proposals |
| 18:31.46 | borja | emmanuelp: this is dealt with on a per-organization basis |
| 18:31.56 | micahcowan | emmanuelp, it's not automatically made public, no. |
| 18:32.01 | rez_les | according to last year's experience, I think they won't make it public |
| 18:32.03 | micahcowan | And it would probably be unwise, in many cases. |
| 18:32.34 | rez_les | I think that Google might be trying to avoid 'lawsuit' :P |
| 18:32.43 | borja | emmanuelp: asking the orgs directly is the only way of getting feedback. |
| 18:32.46 | micahcowan | I think it's much more informative to explain the _reasons_ why a proposal was or wasn't accepted, rather than the actual scores involved |
| 18:33.11 | micahcowan | And quite a bit of the scoring is for purely administrative purposes, as well. Though very high and very low scores do tend to be indicators. |
| 18:33.24 | rez_les | yeah, I think that would be a good idea |
| 18:33.35 | emmanuelp | ahh such a shame :( you always think you wrote a super kickass proposal, it would be nice to fin out why it wasn't so greate in the end :) |
| 18:34.06 | rajat | isnt knowing which proposals were accepted enough? |
| 18:34.09 | rez_les | however, right now we can only ask the orgs directly about the feedback |
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| 18:34.28 | rajat | you go look at those of people who got thru and then figure out what lacked in yours |
| 18:34.31 | dho_plan9 | emmanuelp: The ranking is mostly administrative. |
| 18:34.38 | micahcowan | There are, of course, some proposals where an explanation won't be helpful, because the student could not really come to grips with why it wasn't acceptable. |
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| 18:34.45 | emmanuelp | yes I think you are right, it would be better to speak directly to the org, hopefully they will agree even if there are 100's of students whining and asking why they were not selected he, he |
| 18:34.45 | micahcowan | rajat, I don't think the other proposals are made public? |
| 18:34.59 | dho_plan9 | Last year, we just artificially gave the ones we decided collectively that we wanted just got artificially ranked. |
| 18:35.16 | rez_les | rajat : for some people, that is quite good logical things to do. But, not many people think the same thing |
| 18:35.37 | borja | emmanuelp: Some orgs have ways of dealing with this. e.g., we are going to set up a Google Form for students to indicate that they'd like to get some feedback on their proposal, so we can deal with all those requests in a single batch (instead of a trickle of e-mails) |
| 18:36.06 | borja | However, in many cases the feedback will just be "Your proposal was very good but, regrettably, we did not have enough slots to accept it" |
| 18:36.09 | rajat | yes they arent but I have previously requested successful students for a copy of their proposal, and never been declined |
| 18:36.31 | emmanuelp | dho_plan9: I see, I thought ranking would let me know on what "place" I was vs other students, like I ranked # 50 of 500, then my proposal wasn't *that* bad |
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| 18:37.08 | emmanuelp | borja: That's very nice, hopefully most other orgs will do something similar |
| 18:37.21 | rajat | emmanuelp: making the ranking avilable is still a just idea. |
| 18:37.22 | dho_plan9 | It all depends on how the org does that stuff. We'll likely post to our general gsoc mailing list |
| 18:37.50 | rajat | micahcowan: it would be far too difficult to explain why some proposal did not make it |
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| 18:38.59 | kblin | I don't think we'll publish rankings |
| 18:39.02 | ABCEDEFGHIJKLMNO | hello |
| 18:39.10 | maheshs | Can we students also be a spectator in de-dedup process? |
| 18:39.16 | kblin | what's the point? either you're in or not |
| 18:39.23 | kblin | maheshs: maybe? |
| 18:39.30 | emmanuelp | yes, I guess there are a lot of factors, technical and contextual, it would be hard to even remember all of them for all the proposals of each student |
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| 18:40.02 | maheshs | @kblin : when is it and on which channel? |
| 18:40.04 | rajat | someone has trouble with alphabets |
| 18:40.04 | kblin | I can't even remember how this was handled before |
| 18:40.18 | adimania | hi CyberTooth |
| 18:40.20 | mlankhorst | sure |
| 18:40.31 | mlankhorst | maheshs: here tomorrow |
| 18:40.38 | micahcowan | maheshs, it's at 19:00 UTC |
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| 18:40.51 | CyberTooth | adimania:hello |
| 18:40.57 | micahcowan | And having students present might be helpful, because the student's preference for one org or another might way in the debate. |
| 18:41.00 | thebolt | Evening all |
| 18:41.01 | micahcowan | *might weigh |
| 18:41.03 | emmanuelp | kblin: Well, yes for this year, but it would be nice to know what you did wrong and work on it before the next GSoC (not my case though, last year of collegue, not sure if I'll do my master's next year so I probably won't be around for the next GSoC) |
| 18:41.09 | asmeurer | last year, students were allowed to watch the meeting |
| 18:41.25 | adimania | CyberTooth: had any word with your mentor? |
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| 18:41.44 | mlankhorst | does anyone here run solaris? |
| 18:41.51 | CyberTooth | adimnia:ather come to my room I will tell you about the details |
| 18:41.53 | kblin | emmanuelp: what's a ranking going to help you with? |
| 18:41.53 | adf | on which channel is the meeting for resolving duplicate students taking place?? |
| 18:41.57 | CyberTooth | *rather |
| 18:42.06 | kblin | mlankhorst: I might have an opensolaris vm somewhere |
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| 18:42.19 | Catfish_Man | the duplicate resolution meeting takes place inside each of us. Search your feelings |
| 18:42.20 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 18:42.23 | Catfish_Man | heads out to lunch |
| 18:42.27 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: :) |
| 18:42.28 | adimania | adf: #secret-gsoc :) |
| 18:42.32 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 18:42.34 | mlankhorst | kblin: can you check for audioio in /usr/include ?? |
| 18:42.43 | emmanuelp | kblin: Yeah I realize now that the ranking would not be usefult, I was just talking about some kind of feedback, though I understand now too how difficult would it be to provide accurate feedback |
| 18:42.57 | adf | adimania: is it a joke? |
| 18:42.59 | adimania | Catfish_Man: Yes, I can feel it! :P |
| 18:43.03 | asmeurer | last year it was #gsoc-resolve |
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| 18:43.11 | adf | thank you asmeurer |
| 18:43.15 | adf | any idea what it is this year |
| 18:43.18 | asmeurer | nope |
| 18:43.19 | mlankhorst | and year before #duplicate-resolutions ;p |
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| 18:43.26 | adimania | adf: yes. actually no one is supposed to know. |
| 18:43.30 | mlankhorst | just here, we'll create a channel on the fly |
| 18:43.56 | asmeurer | but it was public, and students were allowed to idle in it |
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| 18:44.07 | kblin | emmanuelp: well, most mentors (maybe excluding the big orgs that get hundreds of proposals) will be happy to provide feedback |
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| 18:44.15 | asmeurer | (I mean the name of the channel was public) |
| 18:44.20 | thebolt | kblin: how's it going? |
| 18:44.23 | asmeurer | or else I wouldn't have known what it was :) |
| 18:44.29 | adf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.33 | adf | from the linux kernel mailing list |
| 18:44.40 | adf | looks like it will be here itself |
| 18:44.44 | dho_plan9 | Unless there's overflow. |
| 18:44.50 | kblin | thebolt: good, good |
| 18:44.55 | dho_plan9 | In which case it will move to a currently unannounced channel. |
| 18:45.09 | asmeurer | likely that will happen |
| 18:45.18 | kblin | thebolt: trying to work up some motivation to port more of s3's build system to waf |
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| 18:45.27 | adimania | hands out cookies to thebolt, kblin and others |
| 18:45.33 | adf | its 1745 UTC |
| 18:45.41 | adf | isn't the meeting supposed to have started already |
| 18:45.42 | adf | here |
| 18:45.50 | kblin | huh? |
| 18:45.52 | emmanuelp | hopefully we students will be able to join as well, just in case that suddenly 50 orgs realize how badly they want me to work for them, even if I didn't apply for all :D |
| 18:46.06 | micahcowan | adf, (a) it doesn't start until 1900 UTC (b) it's on Apr 21 (tomorrow) |
| 18:46.08 | kblin | adf: check your maths |
| 18:46.14 | kblin | and your calendar |
| 18:46.31 | kblin | but last I checked 1745 < 1900 |
| 18:46.39 | adf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.40 | kblin | and 20 < 21 |
| 18:46.44 | adf | that was from Carol's mail to the admins |
| 18:46.51 | adf | its 1700 utc |
| 18:46.51 | micahcowan | adf, right. Now read it again. |
| 18:46.53 | adf | not 1900 |
| 18:46.58 | micahcowan | It's also not Wednesday |
| 18:47.16 | cao | and it's 1845 UTC, not 1745 |
| 18:47.16 | thebolt | kblin: hehe okay, good luck with that ;) |
| 18:47.20 | adf | kindly check carols' letter |
| 18:47.20 | adf | here |
| 18:47.21 | adf | http://readlist.com/lists/vger.kernel.org/linux-kernel/157/787690.html |
| 18:47.21 | micahcowan | adf, read it again, and then again. It clearly states 19:00, right in there. |
| 18:47.27 | micahcowan | Right where you quoted. |
| 18:47.30 | dho_plan9 | All duplicates not resolved by 17:00 UTC tomorrow, Wednesday, April |
| 18:47.31 | dho_plan9 | 21, will be taken to the duplicate meeting in IRC at 19:00 UTC. |
| 18:47.35 | dho_plan9 | That's what it says |
| 18:47.37 | dho_plan9 | period. |
| 18:47.37 | adf | yeah |
| 18:47.38 | kblin | adf: rtfm :) |
| 18:47.38 | adf | that's right |
| 18:47.44 | thebolt | kblin: trying to get some food and see if i can find some energy to write a bit more on my report.. tried to after lunch today but felt ill so I had to go and sleep instead.. |
| 18:47.46 | adf | but the resoltuion is to be completed |
| 18:47.50 | adf | by 1700 |
| 18:47.51 | adf | which means |
| 18:48.01 | dberkholz | which means roughly 22 hours from now |
| 18:48.06 | micahcowan | adf, that's not remotely what it says |
| 18:48.12 | kblin | dberkholz++ |
| 18:48.15 | adf | that a. either your case has been decided b. you will be the subject of discussion |
| 18:48.20 | micahcowan | It says rankings can't be changed after 1700 (tomorrow, not today) |
| 18:48.30 | adimania | adf: Dude, what time is your clock showing? |
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| 18:49.01 | micahcowan | kinda hopes this is a troll, coz if it is, it ain't bad |
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| 18:49.49 | adf | ok |
| 18:49.54 | adf | you are right |
| 18:49.56 | adf | all of you |
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| 18:51.03 | kblin | micahcowan: hehe |
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| 18:54.50 | adf | how do we access the archives of this channel |
| 18:55.02 | kblin | !logs |
| 18:55.02 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 18:55.57 | neugens | hi all |
| 18:56.06 | krkhan | hello, is the duplicate resolution meeting a mentors-only event? |
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| 18:57.30 | kblin | yeah, we meet for a cage fight to death in the ashes of Eyjafjalla |
| 18:58.09 | kblin | or, for the people who have a hard time getting a flight to iceland, we'll just meet here on irc |
| 18:58.23 | kblin | students can attend, as long as they keep silent |
| 18:58.32 | kblin | it's not that interesting, though |
| 18:58.44 | kblin | 2008 was rough, 2009 was pretty boring |
| 18:58.44 | mlankhorst | well, students can attend :) |
| 18:58.54 | mlankhorst | kblin: 2008 was insane ;) |
| 18:59.08 | mayanks43 | time:1900 UTC 21 april?? |
| 18:59.09 | mlankhorst | remember what happened after we unmuted for 5 seconds? |
| 18:59.13 | sfb | Was 2008 a cage match? |
| 18:59.26 | krkhan | it'll be on a different channel or this one? |
| 18:59.31 | borja | had forgotten about the epic 2008 deduplication meeting |
| 18:59.33 | kblin | mlankhorst: fastest. scrolling. channel. ever. |
| 18:59.39 | sfb | hahah |
| 18:59.52 | kblin | sfb: a cage match would have been fun as well |
| 19:00.11 | mlankhorst | set off every single botnet alarm in freenode ;) 5 opers watching |
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| 19:01.00 | kblin | mlankhorst: wasn't the botnet alarms triggering on the day the accepted proposals were announced? |
| 19:01.25 | kblin | mlankhorst: just because of the number of joins/s |
| 19:01.53 | mlankhorst | kblin: but the amount of text too |
| 19:02.34 | sfb | That's crazy awesome. |
| 19:02.47 | thebolt | must have been the most active freenode channel where all activity was by humans |
| 19:03.19 | mlankhorst | 5 mb of logs for just a few days.. |
| 19:03.26 | mayanks43 | lets see this time ;) |
| 19:03.52 | kblin | thebolt: and socinfo |
| 19:04.14 | kblin | thebolt: I think 49% of the lines was !next |
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| 19:04.37 | thebolt | kblin: well, i mean 08 deduplication meeting |
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| 19:05.20 | kblin | thebolt: oh, yeah |
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| 19:06.43 | thebolt | kblin: i still have the logs ;) |
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| 19:14.18 | noirin | Any admins know: if there's a student who's a duplicate between two orgs, and we all get together and agree she should work with the other org, what am I meant to do for her app to my org? Do I just set the proposal rank to (num_slots+1)? |
| 19:15.37 | dho_plan9 | Yep |
| 19:15.51 | micahcowan | noirin, that, and also remove the mentor from the proposal, so there's no chance it could accidentally bump back up into an accepted spot. |
| 19:16.09 | micahcowan | Oh, hey noirin, is that my org's proposal you're talking about? :) |
| 19:16.44 | noirin | micahcowan: Yours is one of them - but we've won some and lost some :-) |
| 19:17.32 | micahcowan | So yeah, basically I've been doing what I just described: unassigning the mentor is probably the easiest way to ensure it stays "not a dupe", but I also usually downscore (just so it doesn't clutter with the rest of the accepted proposals). |
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| 19:18.06 | noirin | Yep, that makes sense |
| 19:19.03 | ihalip | !countdown |
| 19:19.03 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 19:19.10 | Ivanovic | regarding the mailling list you are meant to mark those students that you "lost" due to a duplication as "ineligible" |
| 19:19.57 | Ivanovic | mentioning in a comment that this happens because of a duplicate resolution |
| 19:19.57 | micahcowan | Ivanovic, okay. I thought that might also be possible. |
| 19:20.05 | Ivanovic | this way it is impossible to get those students in again, no rescoring and removing of mentors required |
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| 19:20.21 | Ivanovic | but do make sure that you really lost the student, otherwise things can be *really* problematic |
| 19:20.40 | micahcowan | Yeah, that's why I usually avoid the "ineligible" button. Though commenting helps. |
| 19:20.43 | micahcowan | I hadn't seen that message though. |
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| 19:22.30 | Ivanovic | micahcowan: start of this mail thread: "Duplicate Detection Available Today" |
| 19:22.36 | Ivanovic | by carols |
| 19:22.51 | micahcowan | Wow. I've read that one, just must have missed that particular, then. |
| 19:23.03 | Ivanovic | third paragraph |
| 19:25.33 | micahcowan | Yeah, I see it now. |
| 19:25.49 | micahcowan | Maybe I saw it, but still decided personally to go with the de-mentoring thing, and then promptly forgot about it. :) |
| 19:26.22 | noirin | Anyone from OpenMRS around? |
| 19:27.11 | dberkholz | marking ineligible will make it a little annoying to go back to past years and look at how many "real" proposals you had |
| 19:27.47 | kblin | yeah, not assigning a mentor should be sufficient |
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| 19:51.29 | lolfrenz | 6 more days! |
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| 20:00.36 | mkarnicki | lolfrenz: too long! |
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| 20:02.01 | mkarnicki | knowing I wish the day duration was 30 hrs everytime I need more time, now it is quite the opposite ;) |
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| 20:15.37 | aghisla | downeym: stop sending ashes in the atmosphere :D |
| 20:15.50 | downeym | no :P |
| 20:16.41 | aghisla | and don't wake your huge friend there |
| 20:16.52 | aghisla | s/wake/wake up/ |
| 20:17.01 | danderson | yeah, plz, kthx |
| 20:17.12 | danderson | I want to be able to fly and be warm in the next year or two |
| 20:17.20 | downeym | no kidding .... |
| 20:17.46 | Kosma | wow |
| 20:17.50 | Kosma | downeym: you're a volcano? |
| 20:17.51 | Kosma | awesome |
| 20:18.03 | Kosma | I want to be one too when I grow up |
| 20:18.12 | downeym | yeah it's a real hot job market right now |
| 20:18.22 | aghisla | he's concealing under an anonymous nick |
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| 20:18.48 | Kosma | but I don't like the lava stuff. it's not cool at all |
| 20:19.14 | thebolt | hehe |
| 20:19.27 | thebolt | so many bad puns in such short time.. wonder if that is legal even :P |
| 20:19.27 | downeym | humor is the best way to cope with sleeping in airports |
| 20:19.39 | aghisla | better lava than ashes or exploding volcanoes imho |
| 20:19.54 | thebolt | downeym: i tend to like just closing my eyes ;) |
| 20:20.13 | sarav1919 | hi :) |
| 20:20.14 | thebolt | (i am however an airport-sleeper of class..) |
| 20:21.20 | mlankhorst | hell I could sleep at the airport, but i force myself to stay awake since i wouldnt be sure id wake up |
| 20:22.28 | thebolt | mobile phone alarm works for me |
| 20:22.45 | thebolt | spent the night at Taoyuan airport four times in the 10 months I lived in Taiwan last time around |
| 20:23.09 | thebolt | had flights at or before 8 in the morning, and no way but cab to get from where i lived to there after midnight |
| 20:23.14 | mlankhorst | m a chronic oversleeper.. |
| 20:23.26 | thebolt | good thing though, last flights where usually at 0030 or so. .then the terminals were totally empty |
| 20:23.54 | kblin | I only spent a night on st. louis airport once |
| 20:24.23 | kblin | had a 5:00 flight, so had to be at the airport at 4:00 |
| 20:24.45 | thebolt | heh |
| 20:24.51 | kblin | spending the night at the airport was cheaper than getting a hotel room I wasn't going to use much anyway |
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| 20:25.24 | thebolt | i've spent nights at the airports in Taoyuan, Stockholm, Amsterdam.. slept 8 hours in Kuala Lumpur (but was during the day) hm.. probably somewher emore |
| 20:25.29 | aghisla | i slept twice on the plane - 11 hours flight mainly during night. I'm not young anymore and had terrible ache all over for several days after :D |
| 20:25.43 | thebolt | only place where i got to the airport and decided not to sleep was Manilla |
| 20:25.54 | thebolt | not a single chair, and it felt like someone would steal everything I had if i fell asleep |
| 20:26.20 | aghisla | thebolt: D: |
| 20:26.21 | kblin | I actually wanted to spend that week-end with some worldforge people, but they had to rush to a family emergency |
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| 20:26.57 | kblin | so that put quite an unexpected dent into my budget |
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| 20:28.11 | thebolt | kblin: how could sleeping at airport put a dent into budget? |
| 20:28.32 | thebolt | i have yet to see one airport that charge you for sleeping.. |
| 20:28.44 | kblin | no, I had a whole weekend in st.louis |
| 20:28.49 | thebolt | ah, okay |
| 20:28.54 | thebolt | shitty place to spend a weekend .P |
| 20:28.59 | kblin | yeah |
| 20:29.06 | thebolt | st louis isn't fun |
| 20:29.19 | thebolt | spent 2*3 weeks or os in a best western hotel in st louis |
| 20:29.35 | kblin | why'd you do that? |
| 20:29.44 | thebolt | Ageia had their main and biggest office there |
| 20:30.04 | kblin | wait, there's actually jobs in that area? |
| 20:30.17 | thebolt | apparently there are in medical technology.. |
| 20:30.19 | thebolt | and Ageia ;) |
| 20:31.51 | thebolt | and crime I guess ;) |
| 20:31.52 | kblin | didn't really look that way, but wikipeia claims they had been around in 2003 when I was there myself |
| 20:32.14 | thebolt | (st louis being the most dangerous city in US) |
| 20:32.35 | kblin | well, I did sightseeing on saturday, and spent my sunday at the motel |
| 20:32.52 | kblin | not counting a trip to the 7/11 across the road to get some food |
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| 20:33.16 | kblin | it was pretty boring, though |
| 20:34.24 | kblin | 300 tv channels and nothing on ;) |
| 20:34.34 | thebolt | it doesn't get better after 3 weeks |
| 20:34.43 | kblin | I guess so |
| 20:34.46 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:34.51 | kblin | was a fun trip anyway |
| 20:34.56 | kblin | overall, I mean |
| 20:35.07 | thebolt | spent most of december 2005 there.. went home december 22nd, great day for flying :P |
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| 20:52.23 | pdelgallego | !next |
| 20:52.23 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 20:54.43 | yonij | hai |
| 20:55.10 | yonij | should we expect something frm tommorow or from 26th? |
| 20:56.04 | thiago_home | 26th |
| 20:56.25 | yonij | ok |
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| 21:34.42 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 21:47.14 | downeym | !timeline |
| 21:47.14 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 22:12.17 | emmanuelp | does any one know if there's some king of list of GSoC '09 accepted students? just being curious |
| 22:13.17 | xiainx | like this? : http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 22:14.08 | emmanuelp | exactly like that, thanks :) |
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| 22:39.14 | stephh | hi |
| 22:39.48 | stephh | simple question |
| 22:40.05 | Catfish_Man | hi stephh |
| 22:40.32 | stephh | I live in France, and I applied for the GSoC, and I also plan to make a 2 month trip to the US this summer |
| 22:40.35 | stephh | hi Catfish_Man ! |
| 22:40.44 | stephh | should I ask for a working visa or seomthing ? |
| 22:40.52 | Catfish_Man | hmm |
| 22:40.54 | stephh | I'm not visiting my mentoring organisation or anything |
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| 22:41.10 | Catfish_Man | I *think* the answer is yes. GSoC counts as contracting legally, if memory serves |
| 22:41.43 | stephh | well thanks |
| 22:41.53 | stephh | but in a way, GSoC is freelance work |
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| 22:42.10 | Catfish_Man | if you want to doublecheck, I would ask the mailing list or ask carols directly |
| 22:42.19 | Catfish_Man | legal issues are always annoyingly subtle and nonsensical |
| 22:42.23 | stephh | carols ? |
| 22:42.26 | stephh | I agree :) |
| 22:42.31 | baer | i doubt that you'll get a working visa |
| 22:42.37 | Catfish_Man | carol smith, she's in charge of gsoc |
| 22:42.39 | baer | there is so much more paperwork involved... |
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| 22:42.48 | stephh | well, I'm going to write to the mailing list |
| 22:42.50 | stephh | thanks guy |
| 22:42.54 | stephh | s |
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| 23:06.52 | meonkeys | (prolly offtopic, but a few google searches didn't help me on this one) anyone have advice for students with intermittent connectivity who wish to participate in IRC? I use irssi/screen on a remote server, but the student doesn't have one of those... maybe an irc proxy or something? |
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| 23:08.41 | blast007 | meonkeys: there are various shell hosts that might be suitable for that (if they allow that kind of thing) |
| 23:08.57 | blast007 | could run screen+irssi on those, I mean |
| 23:09.02 | meonkeys | ah, just like one of those cheap accounts like bluehost or something? |
| 23:09.17 | meonkeys | s/like//g |
| 23:09.23 | meonkeys | d'oh. |
| 23:09.27 | meonkeys | s/g// |
| 23:09.28 | meonkeys | :) |
| 23:09.37 | blast007 | there are some free ones too, but there are probably relatively cheap ones that might even be better (less of a target for abuse) |
| 23:09.52 | meonkeys | right. Good idea, thanks, blast007. |
| 23:13.13 | Kosma | doesn't the org have any server? |
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| 23:14.22 | meonkeys | in fact, yes... good call. I'll just give them a shell on there, and point them to irssi/screen. |
| 23:14.44 | meonkeys | I was just wondering if there was some magic portal out there that makes IRC messages durable. |
| 23:15.00 | meonkeys | that's the achilles heel of IRC, IMHO. |
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| 23:16.19 | JSund | there are public logs for some IRC channels, making it possible to read up on missed messages when you get back online |
| 23:16.21 | Kosma | there are IRC bouncer services available |
| 23:16.31 | Kosma | they might or might not do what you want |
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| 23:18.05 | meonkeys | Kosma: wow, interesting. I've never heard of that! |
| 23:18.19 | Kosma | meonkeys: IMO, bouncers are annoying |
| 23:18.37 | Kosma | esp. when someone sets one up to change the nickname upon connecting/disconnecting |
| 23:19.00 | meonkeys | ah, the annoying part is seeing lots of extra join/part messages? |
| 23:19.10 | Kosma | yeah |
| 23:19.15 | meonkeys | good to know, thanks. |
| 23:19.18 | Kosma | or, rather |
| 23:19.58 | Kosma | the 'is now known' ones |
| 23:19.58 | meonkeys | right |
| 23:19.58 | Kosma | 00:35 -!- bwinton_away is now known as bwinton |
| 23:19.58 | Kosma | 00:39 -!- stephhh_work is now known as stephh |
| 23:19.58 | Kosma | like that |
| 23:19.59 | meonkeys | gotcha |
| 23:19.59 | Kosma | but apart from that, bouncers are rather OK |
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| 23:20.24 | bwinton | Kosma: Wha? Huh? |
| 23:20.50 | bwinton | Oh, yeah, I guess I could fix that if it really bothered you. I try to keep it down to once or twice a day, though. |
| 23:21.34 | Kosma | it doesn't really bother me, at least not here |
| 23:22.06 | Kosma | but on small channels it makes the signal-to-noise ratio less pleasant |
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| 23:24.53 | bwinton | Yeah, I could see that. Part of the reason I switched to using my current bouncer (well, it's not a bouncer, it's weechat in a screen session,) was because it would drop me too often, so I would have 10-20 "bwinton has left the chat/bwinton has entered the chat" messages per day. |
| 23:25.05 | bwinton | It really sucked. |
| 23:25.17 | Kosma | well, if you're changing the nick manually, that's okay |
| 23:25.41 | Kosma | not so much if it happens automatically and the user likes to reboot a lot |
| 23:25.45 | meonkeys | Kosma: can your client filter certain messages? I filter JOIN/PART/NICK/QUIT, for instance |
| 23:25.48 | bwinton | I've got a plugin that changes it for me when I disconnect my screen session. But that's only once or twice per day. ;) |
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| 23:26.17 | meonkeys | bwinton: that's actually nifty... nice |
| 23:26.41 | meonkeys | I just use the "autoaway" plugin. |
| 23:27.08 | Kosma | meonkeys: yes, I tend to filter a lot now |
| 23:27.21 | Kosma | join/part/quit on most busy channels, at least |
| 23:28.22 | Kosma | well, maybe I've expressed it incorrectly. they are not the bouncers that cause the problems, but their users |
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| 23:34.50 | bwinton | meonkeys: Yeah, I was pretty happy to find it. And the plugin was written in Python, so I contributed back some patches. :) |
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