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| 02:23.21 | jimbozhang | !next |
| 02:23.22 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 02:30.17 | sploving | !numapps |
| 02:30.17 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 02:33.50 | Gracenotes | weren't there 7000 last year? |
| 02:35.03 | bawr | Not that I've heard. |
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| 02:36.32 | Gracenotes | don't recall where I've heard 7000 from |
| 02:36.53 | Gracenotes | seems to be #of proposals in 2008 |
| 02:36.56 | ojwb | it was 7090 in *2008* |
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| 02:37.10 | ojwb | 2009 was ~5900 from ~3500 students |
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| 02:37.48 | Gracenotes | hm |
| 02:38.14 | Gracenotes | looks trend-like |
| 02:38.21 | ojwb | but the trend is also towards higher quality, so it seems we mostly just have less dross to wade through |
| 02:38.33 | ojwb | same for number of mentoring orgs applying |
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| 02:39.07 | ojwb | (500, 395, 367) |
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| 02:53.26 | tixxdz | hi, simply want to know if there will be an IRC meeting for students ? no a fixed ? |
| 02:54.07 | tixxdz | no fixed time ? |
| 02:54.35 | ojwb | there's a duplication resolution meeting for orgs, not for students |
| 02:55.38 | Dark_Shikari | oh quick question about duplicate resolution |
| 02:55.45 | Dark_Shikari | suppose we have two students applying for project X |
| 02:55.51 | Dark_Shikari | both are good, we accept student A and reject B |
| 02:55.56 | Dark_Shikari | A is lost due to duplicate resolution |
| 02:56.01 | Dark_Shikari | can we go back and accept B instead? |
| 02:56.16 | ojwb | yes |
| 02:56.19 | Dark_Shikari | ah k |
| 02:56.32 | ojwb | well, you may then find B is a duplicate, but you can try... |
| 02:56.48 | ojwb | the process iterates until there are no dups (new or old) |
| 02:56.56 | Dark_Shikari | suppose B got accepted by nobody |
| 02:57.10 | ojwb | then you should be able to rank them up during the meeting |
| 02:57.15 | Dark_Shikari | k |
| 02:57.18 | tixxdz | thx ojwb |
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| 03:16.41 | Opsrc | There is a meeting for gsoc'ers at chicago.Is that mandatory ? |
| 03:17.16 | Opsrc | what about travelling charges and staying ? own expenses ? |
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| 03:18.26 | ojwb | Opsrc: it's not mandatory; I imagine you have to pay your own way |
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| 03:28.27 | Opsrc | ojwb: Can you please tell me what's that meeting all about ? |
| 03:29.12 | ojwb | knows nothing more than what was on the mailing list |
| 03:29.23 | ojwb | it's probably just a chance to meet and chat |
| 03:29.32 | ojwb | if you want to know more, ask whoever is organising |
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| 04:04.09 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 04:04.38 | Upthorn | !timeline |
| 04:04.38 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 04:11.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 04:25.01 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
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| 04:25.14 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 04:25.26 | ojwb | is what you probably wanted... |
| 04:26.04 | wwff | yes, thank you |
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| 05:39.45 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 06:12.23 | maheshs_ | !logs |
| 06:12.23 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 06:12.28 | maheshs_ | !help |
| 06:12.28 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 06:12.35 | maheshs_ | !advice |
| 06:12.36 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 06:26.03 | thebolt | Morning |
| 06:26.39 | kai | morning thebolt |
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| 06:29.57 | ihalip | !countdown |
| 06:29.57 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 06:32.07 | thebolt | hi kai , how do you do? |
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| 06:38.28 | Dark_Shikari | why is melange so broken |
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| 06:38.48 | Dark_Shikari | socghop.appspot.com won't even load |
| 06:38.58 | Dark_Shikari | just sits there "transferring data" |
| 06:40.59 | Ophiuchi | Dark_Shikari: I suspect a slight case of "not everybody at once! aaaargh!" ;-P |
| 06:41.46 | Ophiuchi | loads fine here btw, right now |
| 06:42.07 | Ophiuchi | I wonder whether users on IPv6 get a privileged version |
| 06:42.51 | Ophiuchi | hm no, just a v4 address |
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| 06:43.04 | kai | Ophiuchi: google doesn't have a lot of stuff on v6 |
| 06:43.19 | kai | thebolt: fighting with mumble/murmur |
| 06:43.36 | Ophiuchi | kai: depends on which DNS whitelists you are on. |
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| 06:48.46 | thebolt | kai: which is? |
| 06:49.25 | Dark_Shikari | bah. I hate this. |
| 06:49.34 | Dark_Shikari | two incredibl qualified students who give me nigh-identically-good patches |
| 06:49.39 | Dark_Shikari | *incredibly |
| 06:49.42 | Dark_Shikari | and I have to reject one. |
| 06:50.03 | ojwb | one patch or one student? |
| 06:50.23 | kai | thebolt: voip system |
| 06:50.32 | thebolt | kai: ah ok |
| 06:50.36 | kai | Dark_Shikari: yeah, same here |
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| 06:53.27 | Dark_Shikari | ojwb: student |
| 06:53.49 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: hmm, awkward |
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| 06:54.23 | ojwb | sometimes gsoc does seem like a series of step each of which will disappoint a significant number of worthy applicants |
| 06:54.36 | ojwb | s/step/steps |
| 06:54.58 | hypatia | ojwb: isn't that like most of life :/ |
| 06:54.59 | Dark_Shikari | the worst part is when you have basically two equal students signed up for one task |
| 06:55.08 | Dark_Shikari | both of which invested a good hacking night or three in the qual task |
| 06:55.18 | thebolt | yea, it sucks |
| 06:55.32 | Dark_Shikari | And you basically have to judge based on the proposal, personality as expressed through 30 minutes of IRC, and a wild guess as to which will work out better. |
| 06:55.53 | ojwb | hypatia: i guess so |
| 06:55.58 | Dark_Shikari | And if it doesn't work out well... it sucks even more |
| 06:56.03 | Dark_Shikari | because you think "Wait, what if we went with the other guy?" |
| 06:56.35 | ojwb | going with both is an option, though I don't like it myself |
| 06:56.51 | movicont | ojwb: hm, going with both is possible? |
| 06:56.57 | ojwb | chris dibona seemed to think it was a good idea, but I feel it's going to be demotivating |
| 06:57.06 | ojwb | movicont: the faq explicitly says so |
| 06:57.28 | Dark_Shikari | er, what? |
| 06:57.30 | movicont | ojwb: ah. I thought I remember reading somewhere that it was only 1 student per project |
| 06:57.32 | Dark_Shikari | two students for one project is explicitly banned |
| 06:57.34 | ojwb | but you have two students who will know that one's code won't get committed |
| 06:57.48 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: working together is |
| 06:57.54 | ojwb | working on the same idea isn't |
| 06:57.57 | Dark_Shikari | oh god, two students duplicating each other's work? |
| 06:57.58 | Dark_Shikari | that's even dumber |
| 06:58.05 | ojwb | I feel so |
| 06:58.34 | ojwb | if you're going to duplicate, better to wait a year and see if the first attempt works out |
| 06:58.44 | xb95 | I agree, but chris dibona encouraged it |
| 06:58.47 | ojwb | but chris dibona posted on the mentors list supporting it |
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| 06:59.14 | ojwb | i'd be interested to hear from any students who have been in that situation |
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| 06:59.31 | ojwb | perhaps it stimulates competition |
| 06:59.45 | kai | Dark_Shikari: well, I'd let them both work on their projects if I had the slots for it |
| 06:59.50 | hypatia | that was like the entire business model at Data General |
| 07:00.00 | hypatia | read "The Soul of a New Machine" |
| 07:00.16 | hypatia | Apple has also done product development that way too in the past... two competing teams |
| 07:00.21 | ojwb | the fact I nearly have to ask "Data who?" perhaps suggests what a good idea it is... |
| 07:00.22 | hypatia | seems crazy but it also seems to work |
| 07:00.34 | xb95 | i'd say for smaller periods of time -- a week or two, sure |
| 07:00.40 | xb95 | but for three months of work? |
| 07:00.42 | hypatia | nah DG was huge in their time, disappeared through a string of acquisitions |
| 07:00.48 | hypatia | xb95: years |
| 07:00.51 | xb95 | yeah |
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| 07:07.40 | Dark_Shikari | kai: it's a waste imo :/ |
| 07:08.13 | porter1 | I think I would be incredibly frustrated if I knew that another student was duplicating my work. I understand that it would make students potentially better, but it would end up with more messy code because students would feel hurried, and poor quality. |
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| 07:09.23 | Dark_Shikari | porter1: Yeah, I would feel the same way |
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| 07:09.31 | Dark_Shikari | also, the students would copy each other anyways |
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| 07:24.14 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:29.29 | Ophiuchi | yes and no. if they came up with distinct solutions the end result might be a merge |
| 07:30.37 | anirvana | hello everyone, Is there a program similar to gsoc in winters ? |
| 07:32.12 | Ophiuchi | not that I'd be aware of |
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| 07:42.57 | maheshs | !bored |
| 07:42.57 | socinfo | Error: "bored" is not a valid command. |
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| 07:46.46 | Unhammer | anirvana, http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=winter+of+code&hl=ka =P |
| 07:47.35 | kai | anirvana: well, you could move to the southern hemisphere |
| 07:47.36 | ojwb | anirvana: there's gsoc in the southern hemisphere |
| 07:47.42 | ojwb | snap! |
| 07:47.45 | kai | :) |
| 07:48.11 | anirvana | is laughing |
| 07:49.02 | anirvana | Is there a program similar to gsoc after 6 months? |
| 07:49.12 | anirvana | :P |
| 07:50.04 | ojwb | the summer is a natural time for them, since students tend to have a longer break then |
| 07:50.18 | Kosma | how about Summer of Code on the southern hemisphere? :D |
| 07:50.19 | kai | hehe, there's a chemical structure called "loline" |
| 07:50.57 | aghisla | kai: lol :D |
| 07:53.07 | kai | yeah |
| 07:53.28 | kai | the stuff you learn when reading papers looking for something completely different |
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| 07:54.13 | thebolt | kai: whats the formula? ;) |
| 07:55.43 | thebolt | kai: nm, found it on wikipedia :P |
| 07:56.09 | kai | well, technically it's a group of substances |
| 07:57.32 | thebolt | yep, found it |
| 08:00.23 | maheshs | How many hours till the dedup meet starts? |
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| 08:02.07 | topfs2 | !next |
| 08:02.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 08:02.21 | topfs2 | dang, maheshs I think its 11h |
| 08:02.46 | topfs2 | sorry, 10h, so 20 gmt+2 but I'm not sure |
| 08:03.17 | kai | hm? |
| 08:03.28 | kai | 19 gmt |
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| 08:04.47 | maheshs | 12.30 IST ! 11 hrs to go. |
| 08:05.07 | maheshs | *00.30 |
| 08:06.03 | Ivanovic | the duplication meeting is, according the mails from carols, schduled for 19:00 GMT which is 21:00 in the heart of europe |
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| 08:07.01 | Ivanovic | so yes, just some lovely 11h left |
| 08:07.05 | Ivanovic | !countdown |
| 08:07.05 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 08:07.25 | Ivanovic | ah, okay, the !countdown is just for what !next is, too |
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| 09:02.20 | jimbozhang | !countdown |
| 09:02.20 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 09:22.16 | brion | hey all... I'm still a bit volcano-addled ;) Did the IRC meeting for de-duping get scheduled yet? |
| 09:22.47 | Waren | yo |
| 09:22.56 | brion | timeline page still says "IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students - timing TBD, will be announced well in advance" |
| 09:23.15 | Mek | it has been announced multiple times on the mentors list I think |
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| 09:23.30 | brion | yeah i'm way behind on reading that, checking archives... |
| 09:23.50 | brion | there we are, 19:00 UTC |
| 09:24.34 | brion | i think we'll be clear before then, so shouldn't be a problem |
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| 09:32.15 | j-b | hello |
| 09:32.28 | j-b | Is it possible to rename a proposal title |
| 09:32.29 | j-b | ? |
| 09:33.09 | Ivanovic | at the very moment: no |
| 09:33.19 | brion | j-b: i think those are frozen now, but if there's a typo needing fixing i'm sure it can get cleaned up at some point |
| 09:33.21 | Ivanovic | later on, once the accepted students are out: might be |
| 09:33.37 | x`_ | how did the dedup go? |
| 09:33.43 | mlankhorst | !next |
| 09:33.43 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 09:33.52 | Ivanovic | x`_: in many more hours we might now |
| 09:34.12 | Ivanovic | at the moment you will have to ask someone with psychic abilities so that they can foresee the future |
| 09:34.15 | x`_ | Ivanovic: oh I thought the meeting was yesterday |
| 09:34.21 | x`_ | sorry about that |
| 09:34.35 | j-b | brion: Ivanovic: thanks |
| 09:34.36 | Ivanovic | the meeting happens in about 9:30 |
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| 09:39.43 | movicont | Ivanovic: where is the meeting at? |
| 09:39.55 | Ivanovic | will be announced in here |
| 09:40.05 | Ivanovic | either it is in this chan or in a chan to be created for the meeting |
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| 09:42.11 | movicont | ahh, okay, thanks |
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| 09:44.14 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 11:48.39 | robbyoconnor | !countdown |
| 11:48.40 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 11:48.55 | robbyoconnor | COMEEEEE ONNN |
| 11:48.59 | robbyoconnor | :( |
| 11:49.14 | ihalip | 5 more days, hm? |
| 11:49.18 | ihalip | dies |
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| 11:49.52 | aghisla | is already dead |
| 11:50.08 | skbohra | is it heaven ? |
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| 11:51.09 | YuviPanda_ | has exams in 26th. |
| 11:51.16 | YuviPanda_ | or 28th. Not really sure :| |
| 11:51.33 | skbohra | YuviPanda_: you are already in , right ? |
| 11:52.16 | YuviPanda_ | skbohra: how would I know? |
| 11:52.29 | skbohra | you were among the dupes ? |
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| 11:52.33 | skbohra | i thought |
| 11:52.34 | YuviPanda_ | skbohra: since I don't know, I assume i'm not in. yet. |
| 11:52.41 | YuviPanda_ | skbohra: nope - applied to only one org |
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| 11:52.44 | infinity0 | !timeline |
| 11:52.44 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 11:52.55 | skbohra | YuviPanda_: oh ! |
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| 12:08.27 | j-b | !next |
| 12:08.27 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 12:21.51 | Sylvestre | If some projects have some unused slots. We (Scilab) accept donations ;) |
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| 12:22.05 | Sylvestre | We will take good care of them |
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| 12:55.09 | Nightrose | borja: our shared student is all good with you now? |
| 12:56.18 | Nightrose | ah no - he's with us |
| 12:56.28 | Nightrose | sorry - too many dupes here... :D |
| 12:56.52 | Ivanovic | poor nightrose... |
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| 12:57.15 | Nightrose | Ivanovic: hehe yea - looking forward to the end of the day when it's all solved |
| 12:57.28 | Nightrose | we still have one dupe open and the other org isn't responding |
| 12:57.31 | Nightrose | yay... |
| 12:57.31 | Ivanovic | i hope that we don't suddenly get dupes |
| 12:57.49 | Ivanovic | that is: no dupes for us so far, third year in a row |
| 12:58.00 | Nightrose | hehe lucky you |
| 12:58.13 | x`_ | wesnoth demands full attention! |
| 12:58.20 | Ivanovic | small org with not this many slots and a high barrier regarding what we expect from students |
| 12:58.20 | Adityab | Nightrose: So if there is a dupe student, he/she'll know if he/she's selected bfore 26th, right? |
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| 12:58.28 | Ivanovic | Adityab: not always |
| 12:58.34 | Nightrose | Adityab: if the orgs ask him/her |
| 12:58.37 | Nightrose | otherwise no |
| 12:58.43 | Ivanovic | Adityab: it is not mandatory that the orgs talk to the student |
| 12:58.44 | Nightrose | we've resolved one dupe already without asking |
| 12:58.52 | Nightrose | since the other org didn't really need the student |
| 12:58.56 | Nightrose | but we did |
| 12:59.11 | Adityab | Ivanovic: although he may monitor IRC channels, and figure out even if the org doesn't talk to him |
| 12:59.33 | Ivanovic | yes, can be |
| 12:59.53 | Ivanovic | but even if you are in a duplicate sitution it can happen that you are not in at the end due to some "strange things" happening |
| 12:59.58 | adimania | Adityab: yeah but so far no hints from Nightrose :( |
| 13:00.02 | Ivanovic | yes, this is normally by accident, but it has happened |
| 13:00.09 | Adityab | adimania: yep :( |
| 13:00.20 | Nightrose | heh yea - i'm keeping my mouth shut |
| 13:00.23 | Nightrose | sorr |
| 13:00.24 | Nightrose | y |
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| 13:00.33 | Ivanovic | with other words: you will know on 26th if you are in or not and with org you will be working |
| 13:00.58 | Adityab | adimania: altho we try our best to read between the lines in her statements |
| 13:01.05 | Nightrose | haha |
| 13:01.18 | Adityab | Ivanovic: hmm |
| 13:01.39 | adimania | still no use man! she is very careful. Almost all the mentors at KDE are. |
| 13:01.53 | Adityab | yep :( |
| 13:02.16 | Adityab | adimania: what've you applied for? |
| 13:02.23 | Ivanovic | adimania: not only at kde! |
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| 13:02.36 | adimania | Adityab: KDE ownCloud. |
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| 13:02.45 | Adityab | ah ok |
| 13:03.01 | adimania | Ivanovic: A lot of them are careful but I only hang out on kde irc |
| 13:03.10 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 13:04.15 | adimania | Ivanovic: Wesnoth sounds extremely interesting but sadly I think I won't be good enough for you. |
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| 13:04.37 | Ivanovic | not good enough for wesnoth but good enough for kde? |
| 13:04.52 | Ivanovic | in fact we have *really* relaxed rules regarding getting commit access and the likes |
| 13:05.08 | Ivanovic | (that is: everyone can anytime easily get commit access and help work on wesnoth) |
| 13:05.13 | adimania | I know how to work with Qt and I am familiar with ownCloud |
| 13:05.29 | kageiit | isnt everyone? hehe |
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| 13:05.38 | Ivanovic | okay, wesnoth is not written in qt, but which games are written in qt? |
| 13:05.43 | Nightrose | Ivanovic: same at kde |
| 13:05.55 | kageiit | games arent written in qt exactly |
| 13:05.58 | kageiit | its just the UI |
| 13:06.04 | Nightrose | and wrt not good enough for X: we hardly have anyone who isn't "good enough" for KDE |
| 13:06.13 | kageiit | most games use an opengl based screen for options etc |
| 13:06.14 | Ivanovic | in general there are not many written in the frameworks like gtk and qt since you want to have the ui look "nice" and not like "this is an X prog" |
| 13:06.16 | Nightrose | it's more a matter of other proposals being stronger |
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| 13:06.50 | adimania | KDE is also very cool. and ownCloud is very interesting. Plus I have spent a lot of time understanding it. |
| 13:06.51 | Adityab | Ivanovic: Tell you what, Wesnoth's site is blocked by my univ's firewall :P |
| 13:06.59 | Ivanovic | Adityab: complain! |
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| 13:07.16 | Ivanovic | Adityab: since you want to do summer of code stuff which might count as internship |
| 13:07.17 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:07.31 | Adityab | Ivanovic: I did |
| 13:07.31 | adimania | Ivanovic: Same here. It is categorized under category games and is blocked. |
| 13:07.43 | kageiit | oh they wont change it |
| 13:07.52 | cao | censorship at a university? :X |
| 13:07.54 | kageiit | i guess u guys are from IITs? |
| 13:07.57 | Adityab | adimania: Which univ? Do you have cyberoam? |
| 13:08.07 | Ivanovic | wesnoth is a game, but mainly dedicated to educate coders in open source work |
| 13:08.09 | adimania | yeah. We have cyberoam |
| 13:08.19 | Adityab | adimania: same hear |
| 13:08.19 | Adityab | *here |
| 13:08.21 | Ivanovic | sure, there are some users that concentrate on providing test feedback |
| 13:08.27 | pattu | kageiit: have u done gsoc earlier? |
| 13:08.35 | kageiit | nope |
| 13:08.42 | Ivanovic | but an important part about developing a project is also testing the result, beta tests *are* important... |
| 13:08.42 | Adityab | Ivanovic: I tried explaining that to the admin |
| 13:08.43 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 13:09.02 | adimania | Ivanovic: I tried telling them that its for education but these guys just don't understand :( |
| 13:09.34 | kageiit | its the same as telling pornography is for sex education according to them i guess |
| 13:09.50 | cao | pornography is for sex ed |
| 13:09.52 | kageiit | :D |
| 13:09.57 | adimania | kageiit: you got the point! :D |
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| 13:10.02 | cao | that's a fact! |
| 13:10.39 | Adityab | marvels at the turn this conversation has taken, sigh |
| 13:11.21 | pattu | kageiit: where have you applied this yer |
| 13:11.26 | pattu | *year |
| 13:11.32 | kageiit | thats a secret! |
| 13:11.35 | Ivanovic | Adityab: for many users wesnoth is most likely "just a game available for free" |
| 13:11.35 | kageiit | :) |
| 13:11.42 | pattu | y |
| 13:12.08 | kageiit | lol, ur from kgp too |
| 13:12.14 | kageiit | pattu: whos this |
| 13:12.27 | Ivanovic | Adityab: so it is hard to convince admins that you want to do more than just play but that you want to work on things and by doing so improve your own hard (coding) and soft skills (communicating in english, working on a worldwide project, ...) |
| 13:12.34 | pattu | i am a girl |
| 13:12.37 | Adityab | Ivanovic: True. And when you have to talk to a sysadmin who doesn't know about open source, maybe hasn't even written a hello world, sigh |
| 13:12.39 | pattu | :P |
| 13:12.54 | kageiit | pattu: i thought u were extinct in kgp hehe |
| 13:13.02 | pattu | :) |
| 13:13.07 | maco | im surprised your uni's firewall blocks anything at all |
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| 13:13.43 | Ivanovic | Adityab: something like this does suck especially if you don't have "normal broadband internet" available |
| 13:13.45 | maco | maybe inbound port 80 so you dont run a server and some smtp stuff so you dont have an open relay, but web filtering? |
| 13:14.02 | Ivanovic | Adityab: if you got broadband internet at home anyway, this is no real problem |
| 13:14.39 | Adityab | Adityab: Sure. Although it might be interesting to note that my college has "broadband" with 2kBps |
| 13:14.39 | Ivanovic | maco: yeah, some lovely tunneling via port 80 |
| 13:14.57 | kageiit | tunneling is possible |
| 13:15.06 | kageiit | but speeds are slow |
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| 13:15.22 | Adityab | Ivanovic: Sure. Although it might be interesting to note that my college has "broadband" with 2kBps |
| 13:15.25 | Ivanovic | kageiit: "slow" is still faster than "unreachable" |
| 13:15.35 | kageiit | true LOL |
| 13:15.36 | Ivanovic | uhm, this is really high speed |
| 13:15.42 | maco | yipes. i think the only thing my school blocks is unencrypted smtp |
| 13:16.18 | pattu | so how much time left for the deduplication meeting folks |
| 13:16.37 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 13:16.37 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 13:16.58 | kageiit | thats so long |
| 13:17.02 | mayanks43 | 6 hrs |
| 13:17.09 | Ivanovic | the duplicates are meant to be solved in 4h since the meeting happens in 6 |
| 13:17.20 | Ivanovic | in 4h a list with the currently existing dupes (that |
| 13:17.28 | mayanks43 | isnt it 1900 hrs |
| 13:17.32 | Ivanovic | *will* be solved at the meeting) will be send to the list |
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| 13:18.29 | Ivanovic | and considering how well and good last years meeting went i assume that there will be less than 30 entries in the mail |
| 13:18.56 | Ivanovic | i think last years meeting was over in less than 30mins |
| 13:19.03 | kageiit | wow |
| 13:19.08 | kageiit | that was fast |
| 13:19.16 | kageiit | anyone else from kgp here? |
| 13:19.31 | mayanks43 | so wht do they discuss in dedupe meeting |
| 13:19.38 | mayanks43 | do all orgs attend? |
| 13:19.41 | Ivanovic | mayanks43: simply who gets the student |
| 13:19.45 | Ivanovic | and yes, all orgs attend |
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| 13:19.59 | Adityab | kageiit: I guess most Indians in GSoC are from IITs, right? |
| 13:20.01 | Ivanovic | those not around when a dupe for them arrises simply lose that student |
| 13:20.10 | kageiit | hmm |
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| 13:20.18 | kageiit | the org who uses the best threats usually gets the student |
| 13:20.26 | Ivanovic | uhm, no |
| 13:20.33 | adimania | I am from BIT, Mesra |
| 13:20.41 | kageiit | incase a desicion cannot be reached, the mentors are pitted against each other in mortal combat to the death |
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| 13:20.51 | Ivanovic | uhm, no |
| 13:20.57 | mayanks43 | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-new-google-summer-of-code-stats.html |
| 13:20.59 | kageiit | j/k :D |
| 13:21.03 | mayanks43 | read this for info |
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| 13:21.15 | Adityab | adimania: DA-IICT, gandhinagar, :D |
| 13:21.21 | adimania | nope, kblin said a cage fight takes place! :) |
| 13:21.22 | mayanks43 | me from BITSG |
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| 13:22.07 | kageiit | its basically the same |
| 13:22.17 | kageiit | until one tears the othr apart, it wages |
| 13:22.41 | toad_ | we can drop a slot during the duplicate resolution meeting, right? |
| 13:22.41 | sanjoyd | kageiit, me from KGP. |
| 13:23.37 | kageiit | hi sanjoyd |
| 13:23.45 | ojwb | toad_: yes |
| 13:23.57 | sanjoyd | kageiit, Hey! Are you Akshit? |
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| 13:23.58 | ojwb | well, give away |
| 13:24.14 | kageiit | sanjoyd: no i aint Akshit |
| 13:24.19 | kageiit | sharma |
| 13:24.33 | mayanks43 | y will an org drop a slot? |
| 13:24.38 | sanjoyd | kageiit, Huh? Never mind, not relevant who you're in real life. |
| 13:24.40 | ojwb | toad_: if you know for sure it's not needed now, it might make the meeting easier to mail carols beforehand |
| 13:24.45 | sanjoyd | What have you applied for? |
| 13:24.49 | kageiit | lol thats rude |
| 13:25.09 | pattu | why don't we just say whom we applied for |
| 13:25.14 | pattu | and maintain a nice decorum |
| 13:25.15 | Adityab | kageiit: Nope, that's GSoC etiquette :P |
| 13:25.18 | pattu | i applied to kde |
| 13:25.23 | Ivanovic | toad_: one important part of dupe solution is asking which project is "better" as well as which org does have another candidate they could take |
| 13:25.30 | danderson | no, please don't say who you applied for. |
| 13:25.37 | pattu | ok |
| 13:25.46 | danderson | have you ever seen 378 people all say "I appled for ..." ? |
| 13:25.48 | sanjoyd | danderson, is there a policy against it? |
| 13:25.49 | Ivanovic | toad_: and if both orgs don't have a good "alternative", one org is likely to give their slot away |
| 13:25.54 | danderson | it's random noise, and gives you *zero* useful information |
| 13:25.58 | pattu | it'd be fun though na as long as it ain't against the rules |
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| 13:26.08 | marti1125 | pattu, what idea kind? |
| 13:26.13 | kageiit | pattu: pst |
| 13:26.13 | danderson | sanjoyd: no, it's just useless and very noisy. This channel gets noisy enough around deadlines without help. |
| 13:26.18 | kageiit | u already know who i applied to |
| 13:26.19 | Ivanovic | pattu: useless noise does not help in a rather noisy chan |
| 13:26.25 | pattu | who |
| 13:26.30 | sanjoyd | danderson, makes sense. |
| 13:26.53 | pattu | ok danderson |
| 13:26.53 | Ivanovic | if you want to say which org maybe consider visiting #gsoc_the-org-i-selected |
| 13:26.54 | marti1125 | pattu, which idea? for KDE? |
| 13:26.56 | kageiit | pattu: btw u cant use private queries or wat |
| 13:27.02 | sanjoyd | kageiit, I can't place you. You're not Andy, Sanket, Akshit or Ram. I don't know anyone else who's applied for GSoC. Unless you're Abhaas. |
| 13:27.10 | mlankhorst | danderson: doubt it would get as bad as in 2008:) |
| 13:27.18 | pattu | sanjoyd |
| 13:27.19 | pattu | :) |
| 13:27.26 | pattu | it's not like those 4 are the only studs on campus |
| 13:27.27 | pattu | :P |
| 13:27.35 | kageiit | exactly my thoughts pattu |
| 13:27.38 | sanjoyd | pattu, it is nothing about being studs. |
| 13:27.39 | pattu | :) |
| 13:27.43 | pattu | ok |
| 13:27.51 | sanjoyd | It is really my fault that I'm not more aware. |
| 13:27.53 | pattu | "whomever you consider worthy applicants for GSOC" |
| 13:28.07 | pattu | it's just that |
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| 13:28.10 | pattu | the rest of them |
| 13:28.14 | pattu | are not that sociable |
| 13:28.16 | pattu | and interactive |
| 13:28.20 | pattu | so maybe you wouldn't know them all |
| 13:28.27 | kageiit | lol wut? |
| 13:28.30 | kageiit | sanket wud know me |
| 13:28.30 | sanjoyd | pattu, as I said, entirely my fault. |
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| 13:28.34 | kageiit | but i cant place pattu |
| 13:29.09 | firc | hey guys |
| 13:31.34 | pattu | yeah |
| 13:31.47 | pattu | sanjoyd: maybe i am one of those unsociable people |
| 13:31.48 | pattu | :) |
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| 13:32.31 | kageiit | btw whos is sanjoyd |
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| 13:32.55 | pattu | Sanjoy Das |
| 13:32.58 | kageiit | ya |
| 13:33.03 | kageiit | i mean who is sanjoy das |
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| 13:34.17 | aghisla | pattu: you are Sanjoy Das? *The* Sanjoy Das? |
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| 13:37.11 | Adityab | pattu: If you've applied for KDE, why aren't you on #kde-soc and #kde-in ? |
| 13:37.33 | kageiit_ | is that a strict requirement? |
| 13:37.53 | YuviPanda_ | pops into #kde-soc just to see how active it is compared to #soc on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:38.24 | Adityab | not really, but sort of important |
| 13:38.44 | kageiit_ | naah, being on the channel is over rated |
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| 13:39.26 | Adityab | actually, you can ask the mentors for suggestions on your proposal, so its a good idea |
| 13:39.40 | Adityab | and get to know everyone better |
| 13:40.03 | kageiit_ | yeah but what if ur proposals are so EPIC that they can very well be the next big FOSS project |
| 13:40.10 | kageiit_ | i kid, hehe |
| 13:40.30 | Adityab | kageiit_: Is yours such? :P |
| 13:40.40 | kageiit_ | lol, not really |
| 13:40.41 | kageiit_ | :D |
| 13:41.34 | Adityab | YuviPanda_: You a GNOME guy? |
| 13:41.56 | kageiit_ | no Im pretty sure hes an elf |
| 13:42.01 | kageiit_ | or maybe a dwarf |
| 13:42.42 | Adityab | reminds himself to start reading some of his old fairy-tale magic books after the exams end |
| 13:42.51 | YuviPanda_ | Adityab: yeah :) |
| 13:43.12 | Adityab | Adityab: Shall I disclose this blasphemy on #kde-soc ? :P |
| 13:43.30 | Adityab | YuviPanda_: Shall I disclose this blasphemy on #kde-soc ? :P |
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| 13:43.37 | YuviPanda_ | Adityab: I don't mind :P |
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| 13:43.51 | YuviPanda_ | Adityab: One of my hobbies is KDE Nerd Sniping :P |
| 13:44.10 | YuviPanda_ | okay, not exactly the best description |
| 13:44.19 | kageiit_ | better get back to muggin, exams from tomoro |
| 13:44.25 | Adityab | YuviPanda_: Then I shall do so promptly :P |
| 13:44.28 | kageiit_ | ciao guys |
| 13:44.42 | kageiit_ | and gals :) |
| 13:44.45 | maco | heh i have svn access on kde and got it at a time when i didnt know how to do anything with qt/kdelibs, just gtk/glib |
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| 13:45.06 | Nightrose | yea - we should have been more careful with maco |
| 13:45.14 | Nightrose | might have been a traitor after all :D |
| 13:45.15 | YuviPanda_ | Adityab: started with buggering kstar offline, and has been a fun sport ever since :) |
| 13:45.18 | maco | hi lyds |
| 13:45.22 | Nightrose | heya |
| 13:45.40 | maco | i was a traitor...to gnome :P |
| 13:45.41 | Nightrose | kstar rocks |
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| 13:45.48 | Nightrose | maco: *lol* |
| 13:45.49 | Nightrose | true |
| 13:45.55 | YuviPanda_ | Nightrose: you're talking about kstar the guy or the program? |
| 13:46.01 | Nightrose | both |
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| 13:46.12 | YuviPanda_ | Nightrose: agreed on the guy, haven't used the program |
| 13:46.43 | Nightrose | you should change that then ;-) |
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| 13:47.40 | YuviPanda_ | Nightrose: just did |
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| 13:48.50 | YuviPanda_ | Nightrose: it doesn't look too ugly on my GNOME desktop, but since I know jack about astronomy, sadly pretty useless to me :( |
| 13:49.12 | Nightrose | heh ok |
| 13:49.23 | Nightrose | talk to kstar then and let him show you some stuff |
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| 13:50.07 | banjo | any news on tie break up? |
| 13:50.35 | danderson | !patience |
| 13:50.35 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 13:50.36 | danderson | !next |
| 13:50.36 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 13:50.57 | banjo | Do anybody know about the slot allocation of osgeo? |
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| 13:51.05 | danderson | !anyone |
| 13:51.05 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 13:51.58 | banjo | danderson: thanks |
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| 14:08.38 | toad_ | okay, I might need to drop a slot, but it would be unfair to decide right now as it is *possible* that our student's test-code will significantly improve in the next few hours |
| 14:08.55 | toad_ | most likely we will want to drop our fourth slot, but we can't say that for certain yet |
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| 14:14.22 | rajat | toad_ :some other org will be mighty thankful to you if u do |
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| 14:14.50 | manu___ | have mentoring organisation been informed about how many slots did they get this time? |
| 14:15.19 | infinity0 | yeah, about a week ago |
| 14:15.25 | Chainsaw | manu___: Nothing is final until after de-duplication though. |
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| 14:15.41 | Chainsaw | manu___: So don't go out buying yachts yet please. |
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| 14:18.24 | mozilla_gerv | !timeline |
| 14:18.24 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 14:22.24 | arvind_khadri | Hi is there a specific help channel for gmail ? #gmail says invite only ? |
| 14:22.54 | tag296 | hi, anyone here who applied for pidgin? |
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| 14:23.23 | sanjoyd | ;ra: |
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| 14:24.12 | sanjoyd | Sorry. |
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| 14:25.15 | Ivanovic | tag296: have a look at this one: |
| 14:25.17 | Ivanovic | !anyone |
| 14:25.17 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 14:25.29 | Ivanovic | yeah, this applies most likely for students, too |
| 14:25.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 14:26.24 | tag296 | thank you |
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| 14:36.32 | anirvana | Is anyone aware of the number of slots Mozilla has got? |
| 14:37.12 | borja | !anyone |
| 14:37.13 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 14:41.37 | skbohra | anirvana: its a fail question here :) |
| 14:41.57 | anirvana | oh |
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| 14:51.53 | allad | !anyone |
| 14:51.53 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 15:19.52 | ebo | kageiit_: if you cannot tell the difference between elves and dwarfs you have a real problem. |
| 15:20.07 | kblin | ebo: depends |
| 15:21.16 | ebo | A word of warning. Never walk into a dwarf bar and ask for a "short beer", and never walk into an elf bar and shout "timber" |
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| 15:21.16 | kblin | I'd never do either |
| 15:21.24 | kblin | regardless of the bar |
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| 15:23.30 | straydawg | ebo: how about a "stout beer" in a dwarf bar? |
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| 15:26.11 | ebo | I never heard of a problem with stout, just short. Make sure you dod you trip over your tongue though. |
| 15:26.20 | aghisla | http://instantrimshot.com/ |
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| 15:27.55 | kapila | !help |
| 15:27.55 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 15:31.37 | Opsrc | The ranked list is now with google ..? |
| 15:31.51 | unknown_had | !timeline |
| 15:31.52 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 15:33.57 | felipevieira | !next |
| 15:33.58 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 15:39.34 | Opsrc | would anyone have any kind of hint from the organisation about their selection ? |
| 15:39.51 | Ivanovic | no |
| 15:39.59 | downeym | no |
| 15:40.01 | Ivanovic | wait for !next to happen |
| 15:40.02 | aghisla | no |
| 15:40.17 | ojwb | Ophiuchi: google ask us not to preempt their announcement |
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| 15:40.33 | ojwb | so please don't try to undermine that |
| 15:40.38 | ojwb | um |
| 15:40.45 | ojwb | Opsrc: ^^ (not Ophiuchi) |
| 15:41.04 | ojwb | the current selections aren't final anyway |
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| 15:41.47 | Ivanovic | Opsrc: that is: you should probably already have an idea if you might end as accepted |
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| 15:44.25 | emmanuelp | ojwb: what do you mean they are not final? will those be final after today's meeting? |
| 15:44.46 | ojwb | they are not final because they may change |
| 15:44.55 | ojwb | they can still change right up until they are announced |
| 15:45.00 | ojwb | at that point they can't change |
| 15:45.11 | ojwb | wonders why this seems so hard to understand |
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| 15:46.00 | ojwb | after the meeting today there are likely to be very few changes, because any change which introduce an new duplicate is a problem |
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| 15:46.33 | Lennie | Some here from the Linux foundation? |
| 15:46.36 | Lennie | *Someone |
| 15:46.52 | emmanuelp | exactly, that's why I didn't think they could change after today, I guess only very special / rare cases |
| 15:46.59 | Lennie | And PLSE at UW organization ? |
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| 15:47.29 | c_schmitz | only, RSA at VW |
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| 15:48.32 | ojwb | emmanuelp: there's 1000 student slots, so rare changes do happen |
| 15:49.18 | FernandoC8 | the admins at CGAL won't make it due to timezones, so I as a mentor will attend the meeting. Will I be able to see all I could need to see, in case I need to resolve a duplication? Or I need to ask them to promote me to admin or some before the meeting? |
| 15:50.04 | Lennie | Well, you can do what you need to do as mentor. Easier if you are an org admin though |
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| 15:51.27 | FernandoC8 | ok, perfect.. I just feared that I won't be able for instance to see the contact details of the other org, for instance, or some such... but I guess I should be able to talk to them here anyway, so... |
| 15:51.36 | Lennie | yeah |
| 15:51.38 | Lennie | you will not see those details |
| 15:51.44 | Lennie | but they should be here :) |
| 15:51.48 | mayanks43 | !countdown |
| 15:51.48 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
| 15:51.58 | FernandoC8 | ok but I should see them here. ok got it |
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| 15:53.25 | emmanuelp | ojwb: Ok, thanks for the heads up, sigh still 5 days to go |
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| 15:53.40 | FernandoC8 | just to ghet myself organized, any idea how long the meeting could last? |
| 15:53.40 | mayanks43 | ya very tense |
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| 15:55.41 | Lennie | hmm |
| 15:55.57 | Lennie | !logs |
| 15:55.57 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 15:56.07 | ojwb | FernandoC8: last year it was really short - hopefully people have again resolved most of the duplicates beforehand |
| 15:56.30 | FernandoC8 | oh, perfect |
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| 15:57.31 | Lennie | 18 minutes last year :) |
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| 15:57.39 | Lennie | well |
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| 15:57.44 | Lennie | there are still a number of duplicates |
| 15:57.50 | Lennie | even within an organization :S |
| 15:58.00 | Lennie | which personally I think is fail |
| 15:58.08 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 15:58.22 | ojwb | hmm |
| 15:59.30 | mlankhorst | amazing :> |
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| 16:00.32 | maheshs | !next |
| 16:00.32 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 16:01.48 | FernandoC8 | (still) *within an organization*? that's funny (for lack of a better word) |
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| 16:02.43 | Lennie | yeah |
| 16:02.52 | mozilla_gerv | Lennie: It's easy to not notice, particularly if you are like GNOME and have 40+ slots. |
| 16:03.03 | mozilla_gerv | We had one for a few days before I noticed it. |
| 16:03.08 | Lennie | not really hard |
| 16:03.11 | Lennie | status == Duplicate |
| 16:03.16 | mozilla_gerv | Oh, I see. |
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| 16:03.19 | mozilla_gerv | well yes, there is that. |
| 16:03.31 | downeym | but the status changes as students are ranked above or below the cut-off line |
| 16:03.31 | mozilla_gerv | But perhaps some orgs get things organized early, and then ignore it... |
| 16:03.33 | mozilla_gerv | shrugs |
| 16:03.47 | jkridner | I *just* found I had a duplicate.... |
| 16:03.57 | jkridner | all previous runs of the duplicate search algorithm didn't find it. |
| 16:03.59 | downeym | so if another org moves one of your students above their line, then you suddenly see a duplicate |
| 16:04.06 | Lennie | Beagleboard jkridner :)? |
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| 16:04.47 | jkridner | yeah. |
| 16:05.04 | alakanara | @Lennie are you a GSoC administrator? |
| 16:05.22 | alakanara | i mean a Google representative? |
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| 16:05.30 | Lennie | No, I do not speak for G :) |
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| 16:05.48 | alakanara | ok |
| 16:05.49 | Lennie | However I do work closely with them on GSoC |
| 16:05.59 | alakanara | in organizing it? |
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| 16:06.10 | Lennie | Yeah I work on the website |
| 16:06.16 | maheshs | waiting for dedup meet to start :) |
| 16:06.17 | alakanara | oh, Melange? |
| 16:06.20 | alakanara | cool |
| 16:06.38 | Lennie | correct |
| 16:06.45 | alakanara | :logs |
| 16:06.49 | alakanara | !logs |
| 16:06.49 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 16:08.12 | LetterRip | dedup is in 3 hours right? |
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| 16:08.22 | Lennie | yeah |
| 16:10.02 | alakanara | @Lennie: I hope you don't mind, but do people get paid to work on Melange by Google outside the GSoC program? |
| 16:10.07 | Lennie | no |
| 16:10.13 | alakanara | ok... |
| 16:10.23 | Lennie | I might be rich if that was the case :P |
| 16:10.29 | Lennie | all volunteers :) |
| 16:10.36 | alakanara | I'm just trying to think of incentives for developing Melange if Google wasn't paying you... |
| 16:10.41 | Lennie | well |
| 16:10.42 | alakanara | hehe that's great |
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| 16:10.45 | Chainsaw | alakanara: Eternal glory. Your name in lights. |
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| 16:10.51 | Lennie | there is the fact that you get contacts within Google :) |
| 16:10.52 | Chainsaw | alakanara: Thousands of grateful people mailing you every day... |
| 16:11.00 | alakanara | But Chinsaw, isn't that with all open source projects! :) |
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| 16:11.00 | nbdarvin | hello to all |
| 16:11.04 | Lennie | as well as meetings |
| 16:11.09 | Lennie | Had a week long meeting last week with Carol |
| 16:11.11 | alakanara | ohhhh |
| 16:11.11 | Lennie | in Netherlands |
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| 16:11.23 | alakanara | a week long meeting last week in Netherlands! |
| 16:11.27 | alakanara | ! |
| 16:11.29 | alakanara | like 24*7 |
| 16:11.30 | alakanara | :) |
| 16:11.31 | Lennie | Speak about Carol, lets hope she can get to London :D |
| 16:11.36 | Lennie | all those ashes |
| 16:11.41 | Chainsaw | Lennie: She's on her way now. |
| 16:11.42 | alakanara | you just code on melange and you get contacts??? |
| 16:11.53 | Chainsaw | Lennie: Train & ferry; not a flight. |
| 16:11.58 | Lennie | I know Chainsaw |
| 16:12.03 | Lennie | she just texted me :P |
| 16:12.15 | maheshs | If carol doesn't make up then no dedup meet? :P |
| 16:12.21 | Lennie | there will be |
| 16:12.25 | Lennie | arrangements have been made alread :) |
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| 16:12.45 | alakanara | who will takeover if Carol isn't there? |
| 16:12.46 | alakanara | you? |
| 16:12.56 | Lennie | Someone else from Google will join in |
| 16:12.59 | Lennie | don't worry :) |
| 16:13.03 | alakanara | ok great |
| 16:13.22 | alakanara | really it'd been damn nice to know if one was in the running at this point or not |
| 16:13.37 | Lennie | might be nice to know |
| 16:13.42 | alakanara | coz the slots have been out for quite some time now...and there are still 5 days to go |
| 16:13.46 | alakanara | after the dedup |
| 16:13.47 | alakanara | meeting |
| 16:13.52 | Lennie | but someone might get very angry if they werent accepted afterwards |
| 16:14.06 | Lennie | It is all at the orgs disgression anyway |
| 16:14.07 | alakanara | why not schedule the dedup just a day before the final results? |
| 16:14.09 | alakanara | why the 5 days gap |
| 16:14.22 | Lennie | well |
| 16:14.28 | Lennie | just in case something happens :) |
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| 16:14.57 | alakanara | ahhh |
| 16:14.58 | alakanara | :P |
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| 16:15.10 | jkridner | are we meeting here for it? |
| 16:15.16 | alakanara | yes |
| 16:15.17 | alakanara | here |
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| 16:15.24 | alakanara | at 1900 UTC |
| 16:15.25 | alakanara | today |
| 16:15.40 | emmanuelp | my guess is that after the dedup meeting te only reason you would not be chosen is that you actually withdraw your proposal or something |
| 16:15.50 | alakanara | exactly |
| 16:15.58 | emmanuelp | will students be able to atend after all? |
| 16:16.04 | alakanara | i think so yes |
| 16:16.07 | alakanara | though students won't benefit |
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| 16:16.12 | alakanara | or gain any secret info |
| 16:16.19 | alakanara | unless they were one of the students being talked about |
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| 16:16.32 | emmanuelp | crossing fingers :) |
| 16:16.35 | alakanara | in which case you would already know since both orgs would contact you for your choice already |
| 16:16.39 | alakanara | so on the whole |
| 16:16.45 | alakanara | no point for those not being talked about |
| 16:16.50 | alakanara | and even for those being talked about |
| 16:16.50 | alakanara | :) |
| 16:17.07 | tonfa | Lennie: is there someone from gsoc program we can chat with while carol isn't there? |
| 16:17.17 | Lennie | well ask away here |
| 16:17.17 | Lennie | wassup? |
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| 16:17.46 | alakanara | @Lennie |
| 16:17.48 | tonfa | how can we give slots back to another org |
| 16:17.55 | alakanara | can we have at least some unharmful stats |
| 16:17.56 | alakanara | like |
| 16:18.04 | alakanara | what was the max any organization got in terms of slots |
| 16:18.07 | alakanara | and what was the min |
| 16:18.11 | alakanara | general harmless info |
| 16:18.14 | alakanara | with no names taken |
| 16:18.15 | tonfa | alakanara: afaik min is 2 |
| 16:18.21 | alakanara | yeah |
| 16:18.25 | alakanara | so max this year? |
| 16:18.26 | tonfa | at least from the initial allocation |
| 16:18.31 | tonfa | no idea :) |
| 16:18.39 | alakanara | @Lennie would know :) |
| 16:18.43 | Sylvestre | tonfa, to mine ? :) |
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| 16:19.00 | Lennie | tonfa, best to wait till the dedup meeting so you can tell the person from the GOSPO team |
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| 16:19.24 | tonfa | Lennie: ok, I was just wondering if one of them was around here before the meeting |
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| 16:19.26 | tonfa | Lennie: thanks |
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| 16:19.38 | alakanara | @Lennie what say? can we have that sort of info? |
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| 16:19.55 | Lennie | you can, but I'm not telling you ^^ |
| 16:20.09 | alakanara | but why come on |
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| 16:20.12 | alakanara | it's not harmfu |
| 16:20.13 | alakanara | l |
| 16:20.16 | alakanara | in anyway |
| 16:20.18 | matthias[dfbsd] | moin |
| 16:20.19 | alakanara | you know it... |
| 16:20.23 | Lennie | well |
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| 16:20.27 | thebolt | Evening |
| 16:20.36 | alakanara | at least the max no of slots any org got |
| 16:20.38 | alakanara | this year |
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| 16:20.46 | Lennie | Just wait and be patience |
| 16:20.46 | alakanara | that can't harm anyone or any student or mentor or org |
| 16:20.52 | alakanara | if we don't know what the org is |
| 16:21.05 | alakanara | 5 days of patience is a bit too much! |
| 16:21.11 | Chainsaw | That still won't be final until *after* de-duping, alakanara. |
| 16:21.12 | smtms | alakanara, if you were reading, and not only writing, you would have learned that slot counts may change during the dedup meeting |
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| 16:21.23 | alakanara | yeah |
| 16:21.25 | alakanara | but it's like |
| 16:21.26 | alakanara | +-2 |
| 16:21.31 | mayanks43 | !patience |
| 16:21.31 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 16:21.31 | alakanara | not more than that by large |
| 16:21.39 | smtms | alakanara, shall I /ignore you? |
| 16:21.43 | alakanara | why |
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| 16:22.01 | gevaerts | alakanara: there aren't *that* many candidates for the org with the largest amount of slots, so it's not anonymous information |
| 16:22.03 | Lennie | lets keep it at this, I'm not telling you. Feel free to ask once carols joins IRC :) |
| 16:22.13 | alakanara | Jordan, I'm just talking here... |
| 16:22.42 | Lennie | Chances are it is either apache or KDE, they were very big last year iirc |
| 16:22.54 | alakanara | ok |
| 16:23.01 | alakanara | how many did they have last year |
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| 16:23.14 | alakanara | is it available in any blog post etc? |
| 16:23.19 | alakanara | or should we go and count on the gsoc site |
| 16:23.19 | Sylvestre | somethings like 38 I think |
| 16:23.24 | alakanara | nice |
| 16:23.27 | danderson | who cares? |
| 16:23.28 | danderson | seriously |
| 16:23.33 | alakanara | and the total is still fixed at 1000 this yar |
| 16:23.34 | alakanara | ? |
| 16:23.36 | alakanara | *year |
| 16:23.43 | karma_ | Still unknown when duplication resolve meetings will take place? |
| 16:23.44 | alakanara | just whiling away time |
| 16:23.45 | danderson | the answer provides zero information |
| 16:23.57 | danderson | !patience |
| 16:23.57 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 16:24.22 | danderson | asking this sort of question around deadlines is a sign that you should be doing something more useful |
| 16:24.23 | mgamal | @karma_: The dedup meeting is on 19:00 UTC |
| 16:24.43 | danderson | the emails will go out, whether or not you're here asking if they will |
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| 16:24.51 | danderson | likewise for all other milestone events of SoC |
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| 16:25.03 | danderson | so, please, relax, and go do something productive :) |
| 16:25.09 | alakanara | ok danderson |
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| 16:25.13 | alakanara | no more questions from me |
| 16:25.27 | mlankhorst | what's a question???!!!11 helpplx |
| 16:25.27 | Lennie | tempted to reopen http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=611 |
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| 16:26.01 | danderson | Again, nothing personal. It's going to get so ridiculously noisy in here during the dedup meeting even without people asking this sort of question |
| 16:26.12 | danderson | speaking of which, hmm, should probably practice |
| 16:26.31 | mlankhorst | Lennie: i think its fragments like that that kept lh sane :) |
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| 16:27.07 | Ivanovic | danderson: will the meeting be in here or better in a dedicated chan for it? |
| 16:27.15 | Ivanovic | this way the "idle chatter" in here does not matter |
| 16:27.27 | danderson | Ivanovic: yes it will, people will go whereever the dedup meeting is. |
| 16:27.33 | alakanara | no no i will keep quiet |
| 16:27.36 | danderson | whether it's here or elsewhere, they will go where the authority is |
| 16:27.40 | alakanara | you can have meeting here |
| 16:27.44 | alakanara | i won't do anything |
| 16:27.54 | mayanks43 | :D |
| 16:27.54 | danderson | which is why, during meetings, I have +q handy |
| 16:27.56 | Ivanovic | alakanara: it is not just about you |
| 16:28.00 | danderson | to maintain the efficiency :) |
| 16:28.12 | mlankhorst | or +m |
| 16:28.20 | noirin | +m during the meeting would be nice |
| 16:28.31 | danderson | +m prevents mentors from speaking up unless we do a costly /query + /voice for each of them |
| 16:29.00 | noirin | That would make the meeting go so much quicker though :-p |
| 16:29.05 | danderson | unless someone has an idea of how to make that work? |
| 16:29.08 | danderson | yes, it would. |
| 16:29.23 | danderson | I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that I don't see how to scale it |
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| 16:30.13 | Ivanovic | danderson: i'd guess that the normal $orgname|$nickname principle should simply be used |
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| 16:30.38 | Ivanovic | that is: $orgname being the shortname or something like this |
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| 16:31.02 | Ivanovic | would easily allow you to mute/unmute using tab completion |
| 16:31.03 | danderson | sounds about right |
| 16:31.15 | danderson | and I can voice people who have that nick form |
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| 16:31.21 | danderson | (I and/or other ops) |
| 16:31.27 | Ivanovic | exactly |
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| 16:31.57 | Ivanovic | still 150mins left though |
| 16:32.05 | ahuillet | or a simple "don't talk if you are not from one of the orgs currently in discussion" rule - wouldn't people shut up? |
| 16:32.14 | danderson | ahuillet: history suggests that no. |
| 16:32.24 | Ivanovic | ahuillet: experience says that that does not help |
| 16:32.33 | danderson | depending on how widespread the problem is, +q could suffice |
| 16:32.36 | Ivanovic | ahuillet: eg people joining and saying "hi" and teh likes (plus asking socinfo) |
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| 16:33.04 | tonfa | is the number of remaining dups known? (order of magnitude) |
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| 16:33.33 | danderson | not to me. |
| 16:33.38 | tonfa | k |
| 16:33.56 | LetterRip | so what is the purpose for the nonduped folks to be here? do 'vote' or such on resolutions between conflciting orgs? |
| 16:34.06 | Lennie | no |
| 16:34.11 | danderson | I suspect the number is a fraction of a percent, based on historical data |
| 16:34.12 | Ivanovic | LetterRip: if you get a dupe after another one is solved |
| 16:34.13 | tonfa | Lennie: in case new dups happens |
| 16:34.13 | Lennie | new dupes might come up if others are solved |
| 16:34.16 | Ivanovic | then you are around |
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| 16:34.20 | tonfa | *letterip |
| 16:34.26 | LetterRip | Ivanovic: ah makes sense |
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| 16:34.59 | LetterRip | so if someone bumps theirs up the list due to a dup |
| 16:35.02 | danderson | assuming you meant mentors and org admins of orgs with no dups |
| 16:35.13 | LetterRip | then it might resulit in ours now being a dup |
| 16:35.14 | LetterRip | got it |
| 16:35.20 | LetterRip | obvious now :) |
| 16:35.23 | danderson | yup. |
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| 16:37.16 | danderson | Lennie: honestly don't know if it's better to run the dedup thing here or in another channel |
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| 16:37.57 | mlankhorst | could just do it here |
| 16:38.27 | danderson | yeah. Only downside is the +m while it lasts |
| 16:38.49 | danderson | and having to figure out who of 434 nicks need voicing |
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| 16:39.02 | smtms | so, the time of the meeting is announced, but not the place? |
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| 16:39.11 | noirin | Anyone from OpenMRS here btw? |
| 16:39.11 | Lennie | time of the meeting was on the mentors list |
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| 16:39.17 | danderson | !anyone |
| 16:39.17 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
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| 16:41.09 | noirin | Thanks, forgot that had IRC channels listed |
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| 16:42.53 | Arc | I vote for another channel. |
| 16:43.12 | danderson | any particular reason? |
| 16:43.16 | Arc | too noisy in here |
| 16:43.33 | Arc | the meeting will be noisy enough |
| 16:43.45 | danderson | yeah, that was my impression as well. |
| 16:44.08 | Arc | is carol around? |
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| 16:44.31 | Arc | moinmoin is giving us 2 slots, but that hasnt been executed yet. id like to get them assigned to ensure no dups result in it before the meeting |
| 16:44.40 | Lennie | Arc, read the mentor group |
| 16:44.48 | Lennie | she is traveling and therefore her reply is delayed |
| 16:45.01 | Lennie | trying to get to london is not easy :0 |
| 16:45.26 | Arc | got it. |
| 16:45.31 | Arc | can anyone else execute that change? |
| 16:45.44 | Arc | i'm not predicting problems from it, but would like to get it done |
| 16:45.49 | kblin | hey Lennie |
| 16:45.56 | Lennie | well you have to wait, I can but I'm not actually allowed to :D |
| 16:46.02 | Lennie | just hold on till the dedupe meeting |
| 16:46.05 | Arc | ok |
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| 16:46.19 | Chetan | It doesnt works like this ...right? |
| 16:46.21 | Chetan | as in |
| 16:46.21 | Arc | i'll go through and verify our current approved slots then untli the meeting |
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| 16:46.28 | mlankhorst | Lennie: ironically, schiphol already opened so if she didn't try to get there by train ;) |
| 16:46.29 | Lennie | Hi Gamara |
| 16:46.37 | Chetan | Slots cant b transferred directly from 1 org to other right? |
| 16:46.41 | Lennie | mlankhorst: yeah it is irony :D |
| 16:46.47 | tonfa | Arc: you're the PSF admin? |
| 16:46.48 | Arc | Chetan: yes they can. |
| 16:46.50 | Arc | tonfa: yes. |
| 16:46.53 | Gamara | hi |
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| 16:47.05 | danderson | okay, so, assuming we're going to go elsewhere for the actual deduping, #gsoc-dedup is all configured. |
| 16:47.12 | tonfa | Arc: mind if I query you? |
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| 16:47.17 | Chetan | as in extra slots go to a pool...from which they are redistributed according to popularity |
| 16:47.32 | Arc | if its about why a student wasn't selected, no, not until after the meeting |
| 16:47.40 | danderson | Chetan: nope. It just depends. Sometimes it makes more sense to transfer to another relevant org |
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| 16:47.56 | Chetan | oh..k slots trading :) |
| 16:47.58 | danderson | eg. student A applied to both, org 1 doesn't want him, org 2 does want him but has no more slots |
| 16:48.01 | kblin | Gamara: hey there :) |
| 16:48.03 | tonfa | Arc: I'm an org admin |
| 16:48.07 | danderson | org 1 gives slot to org 2, everyone wins. |
| 16:48.10 | Arc | ok |
| 16:48.13 | Arc | hit me up then |
| 16:48.30 | Chetan | danderson: got it, thanks |
| 16:48.35 | Arc | PSF really needs the slots too. |
| 16:48.41 | tierra | my org just barely ran into another duplicate after resolving one (giving up a student put the next in line in direct fire, heh), so I'll definitely need to be at this meeting |
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| 16:51.05 | Ivanovic | Arc: regarding the two slots an org donated to your org: just make sure that the ones you want to have there are ranked correctly and mentors are assigned |
| 16:51.18 | Ivanovic | (so that once the move is done you can directly see any upcoming dupes) |
| 16:51.40 | Arc | Ivanovic: im working on it. lack of a public api has made it very mind-numbing to get students into proper ranking order |
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| 16:52.02 | Arc | i have them ranked in my spreadsheet, but getting that data back into melange would take longer than we have |
| 16:52.11 | Ivanovic | Arc: i have done this stuff by increasing the score to a "high enough value" by hand |
| 16:52.23 | Arc | for 33 students? |
| 16:52.29 | Ivanovic | since you don't have to rank all proposals you have but lets say only the top X*2 it should be okay |
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| 16:52.37 | Lennie | Arc, just move the two down to place 100 :P? |
| 16:52.38 | Ivanovic | (where X is the desired slot number) |
| 16:52.44 | dbrashear | you only care about N slots. just "pump" N scores. |
| 16:53.10 | danderson | even so, that's 33 clicks minimum, probably a multiple of that |
| 16:53.15 | Ivanovic | dbrashear: slightly more are required |
| 16:53.18 | Arc | exactly. |
| 16:53.19 | Ivanovic | danderson: no |
| 16:53.23 | Arc | and melange is slow. |
| 16:53.33 | Arc | and the "rank" doesn't work as it should for getting students separated out |
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| 16:53.36 | Ivanovic | danderson: only if you desire >17 slots |
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| 16:53.57 | danderson | Arc appears to be saying PSF desires 33 of them so far |
| 16:54.12 | danderson | I think we're all in violent agreement :) |
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| 16:54.20 | Arc | it appears we'll have 33 slots by this meeting. |
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| 16:54.42 | Arc | its enough work figuring out which to put in which order. its a whole other level of work to get that data into melange. |
| 16:54.49 | Ivanovic | uhm, you don't even have to make sure that those top 33 are in a real order, they "just" have to be at the top |
| 16:54.59 | Arc | id rather just apply manually (bump back up to "0") once the slots are applied |
| 16:55.05 | Ivanovic | Arc: but yeah, for bigger orgs it is a real mess |
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| 16:55.17 | Arc | next year we need a public API. |
| 16:55.28 | Lennie | You are the only one needing a public API |
| 16:55.31 | Lennie | there are other solutions too :) |
| 16:55.42 | Ivanovic | Arc: personally i would prefer a different way to score |
| 16:55.55 | Ivanovic | as in: allow org admins to enter score to give |
| 16:56.02 | Ivanovic | (eg "+100 points") |
| 16:56.07 | Arc | we keep more data than Melange exposes to us. |
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| 16:56.32 | slingshot | hello, is it possible that a proposal in top-n of an organisation is rejected by google? |
| 16:56.51 | Ivanovic | slingshot: google normally does not review the applications |
| 16:57.01 | Ivanovic | slingshot: that is: they request forms like enrollment and the likes |
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| 16:57.26 | Ivanovic | but if you are from a country that is allowed in and eligible since you are entrolled as student, you should be perfectly fine, that does only depend on the org |
| 16:57.37 | LetterRip | Arc - you can rank something 4 times |
| 16:57.42 | LetterRip | for an admin |
| 16:57.57 | LetterRip | so can bump something 16 pts |
| 16:58.07 | LetterRip | also only stuff with assigned mentors |
| 16:58.09 | slingshot | Ivanovic: oki thank you |
| 16:58.10 | LetterRip | i think |
| 16:58.14 | LetterRip | are counted |
| 16:58.25 | LetterRip | everything else is 'pending rejection' |
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| 16:59.01 | LetterRip | Ivanovic: mentors can do a score assignment i think |
| 16:59.12 | LetterRip | where they do the mentor assignment |
| 16:59.19 | LetterRip | er admins can do a score assignment |
| 16:59.19 | kblin | Arc: yeah, just don't assign mentors to the proposals you won't take |
| 16:59.22 | sttwister | !logs |
| 16:59.22 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 17:00.59 | LetterRip | oops can't assign a score but you can assign a rank |
| 17:01.09 | LetterRip | just rank them all 1 |
| 17:01.14 | LetterRip | if you like |
| 17:01.27 | LetterRip | 33 way tie for first :) |
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| 17:02.16 | Arc | oh awesome, i miscalculated the time of the dedup meeting. seems i have another hour. |
| 17:02.36 | Arc | er, two hours? |
| 17:02.49 | mlankhorst | yes |
| 17:02.54 | danderson | two, according to my google. |
| 17:02.59 | downeym | I don't think you can manually rank proposals at the same level. The system won't allow it and instead will move the others down (i.e., change score) to put the proposal where you want it. |
| 17:03.00 | Arc | oh then i do have time to sort this mess out. |
| 17:03.01 | mlankhorst | !utc |
| 17:03.01 | socinfo | Error: "utc" is not a valid command. |
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| 17:03.10 | mlankhorst | !learn utc as date -u on a unix system |
| 17:03.10 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:03.37 | danderson | (and here I was thinking the meeting was in 1 hour - can we just adopt stardates worldwide once and for all and stop the madness? |
| 17:03.46 | rez_les | !utc |
| 17:03.46 | socinfo | "utc" is date -u on a unix system |
| 17:03.59 | x`_ | i always likes @beat time |
| 17:04.02 | x`_ | liked* |
| 17:04.07 | LetterRip | what i thought 2 hours away also |
| 17:04.13 | LetterRip | and i checked utc |
| 17:04.23 | dbrashear | TZ=UTC date is more reliable |
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| 17:04.35 | LetterRip | oh wait it is 2 hrs |
| 17:04.37 | LetterRip | so i'm good |
| 17:04.39 | LetterRip | hehe |
| 17:04.43 | danderson | "google://UTC time" also works |
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| 17:05.10 | kblin | I just switched the clock in my task bar :) |
| 17:05.33 | YuviPanda | is still very nervous |
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| 17:07.47 | ashubham | are the slots already alloted to the mentoring orgs ? |
| 17:07.58 | dbrashear | preliminary |
| 17:08.03 | tonfa | ashubham: not the final allocation |
| 17:08.05 | dbrashear | not final, yet |
| 17:08.07 | bear | quick - somone with leet coding skills write us a UTC bot |
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| 17:08.41 | ashubham | neone who applied to ESA ? |
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| 17:08.48 | kblin | dbrashear: why's TZ=UTC more reliable? |
| 17:08.55 | kblin | ahrg |
| 17:09.06 | dbrashear | not all "date" support swittches |
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| 17:09.51 | kblin | ashubham: that anyone you messed up saved you one measly character and made a lot of people's eyes hurt |
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| 17:10.36 | ashubham | "y" on mY keyboard hurts to press :) |
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| 17:10.55 | kblin | dbrashear: linux and bsd seems fine |
| 17:10.58 | dbrashear | that's going to make programming kind of hard, isn't it? |
| 17:11.18 | dbrashear | i hear there are platforms other than linux and bsd. openafs probably supports them :) |
| 17:11.46 | kblin | dbrashear: it's the only ones I have around to test |
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| 17:12.04 | kblin | not sure if the env var is more portable |
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| 17:12.39 | gevaerts | thinks that if you're capable to run an OS that's not linux or bsd *and* had the date command, UTC should be an easy concept to handle anyway |
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| 17:12.56 | tonfa | kblin: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/utilities/date.html :) (-u is posix) |
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| 17:13.28 | dbrashear | heh. sunos 4 supports it but says: Wed Apr 21 17:13:08 GMT 2010 |
| 17:13.32 | aku_ | test |
| 17:13.56 | kblin | tonfa: kind of my point :) |
| 17:14.06 | kblin | tonfa: not that posix means anything |
| 17:14.11 | tonfa | yeah |
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| 17:15.43 | meonkeys | is it ok to discuss the number of slots my org has in here? |
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| 17:16.43 | downeym | meonkeys: that's kind of been kept quiet |
| 17:16.44 | kblin | meonkeys: well, it could still change, right? |
| 17:17.09 | meonkeys | right, ok. it's not crucial to my question, so I'll just leave it out. |
| 17:17.11 | Chetan | theres no harm.. |
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| 17:17.25 | Chetan | i know slots of a couple of orgs.. |
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| 17:17.43 | Chetan | as in it has been discussed in public.. |
| 17:17.53 | ajuonline | Chetan: are you a mentor/org admin? |
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| 17:17.59 | Chetan | student.. |
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| 17:18.10 | meonkeys | On Monday Carol said we (Grameen Foundation - Mifos) were given an additional slot, but on our list of proposals, it doesn't show we have the extra slot. Can anyone help? I'm happy to forward on an email from Carol saying that we should have 7. |
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| 17:18.32 | meonkeys | If it can wait and won't affect our final allocation, nevermind. |
| 17:19.05 | downeym | i know carol has been super backlogged with e-mail due to travel challenges |
| 17:19.09 | ajuonline | Chetan: I am pretty sure that students opinion on issues that relate to the private mentor list, is not taken seriously.. |
| 17:19.10 | aghisla | oh right the renaming - should it be org_nick or nick_org? |
| 17:20.17 | Chetan | ajuonline: it was an obvious fact... |
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| 17:21.01 | ashubham | Chetan: whose slots do u know ? |
| 17:21.21 | MatthewWilkes | meonkeys: We gave up a slot and it was reflected as soon as carol emailed us, probably a mistake, I'd probably try pinging her when she gets online for the conflict resolution |
| 17:21.22 | danderson | oh for zark's sake |
| 17:21.23 | Chetan | ashubham: shhhh :) |
| 17:21.25 | danderson | it doesn't sodding matter |
| 17:21.30 | Chetan | right.. |
| 17:21.55 | danderson | and I swear the next person to ask who has what slots, I'm hacking into melange and rejecting all their applications |
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| 17:22.05 | meonkeys | MatthewWilkes: thanks, that helps. |
| 17:22.09 | pygi | danderson, :D |
| 17:23.24 | jkwood | danderson++ |
| 17:23.25 | dennda | hacks into all other participants' accounts and asks who has what slots |
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| 17:23.51 | MatthewWilkes | dennda: ? |
| 17:24.08 | dennda | That was supposed to be a joke. Nevermind me, I got too much coffee. |
| 17:24.19 | mlankhorst | coffee+ |
| 17:24.25 | blast007 | MatthewWilkes: went along with what danderson said |
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| 17:24.48 | MatthewWilkes | ah |
| 17:25.00 | ashubham | how man slots do the first time orgs usually get ? |
| 17:25.19 | toad_ | this year you get as many slots as you have mentors |
| 17:25.20 | jkwood | ... |
| 17:25.28 | ashubham | sure ? |
| 17:25.37 | danderson | you get none. |
| 17:25.39 | danderson | and a boot to the head. |
| 17:25.55 | toad_ | errrm i meant total, sorry danderson :| |
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| 17:27.03 | Ophiuchi | toad: hardly. my org doesn't have that many applications :) |
| 17:27.25 | ashubham | Ophiuchi: what ur org ? |
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| 17:27.35 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: NetBSD |
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| 17:28.09 | toad_ | Ophiuchi: you have more mentors than students? |
| 17:28.28 | ashubham | Ophiuchi: that means everyone who applied gets selected ? |
| 17:28.36 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 17:28.44 | Ophiuchi | toad: yep. of course not assigned mentors. |
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| 17:29.03 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: my point was that we did not get as many slots |
| 17:29.20 | toad_ | did you get slots = mentors with assigned students? that was what somebody said ... |
| 17:29.33 | MatthewWilkes | ashubham: There's the question of quality of the application too, of course |
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| 17:30.16 | Ophiuchi | toad_: no, you cannot get more slots than you have mentored allocations, but you can get -less- slots than you have mentored applications |
| 17:30.33 | merwok | So, 26 gets closer :D |
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| 17:31.06 | ashubham | everyone who posts comments on the proposal is an assigned mentor ? |
| 17:31.14 | tonfa | no |
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| 17:31.59 | ashubham | tonfa: then who are the assigned mentors |
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| 17:32.31 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: those that are supposed to actually mentor the resulting project |
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| 17:33.15 | tonfa | ashubham: as a student you won't know unless you're being told |
| 17:33.19 | dreimark | moin |
| 17:33.25 | dreimark | !meeting |
| 17:33.25 | socinfo | Error: "meeting" is not a valid command. |
| 17:33.36 | andreaa | !help |
| 17:33.36 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 17:34.00 | dreimark | knows too |
| 17:34.04 | ashubham | Ophiuchi: So if the probable mentor for the project for which I applied, isn't an assigned mentor then I am screwed ???? |
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| 17:35.11 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: if your project gets taken you'll have a mentor assigned to it. The org admin will have to hunt down likely victims^W^W^W^Wassign the right mentor |
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| 17:36.38 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: "assigned mentor" as in the person from the list of possible mentors for that org who got picked to be the responsible mentor for a given project |
| 17:36.59 | ashubham | Ophiuchi: does Google have a say on which projects get taken ? or its the org itself |
| 17:37.13 | tonfa | ashubham: the latter |
| 17:37.13 | ashubham | Ophiuchi: i get that |
| 17:37.16 | gevaerts | ashubham: google also mentors students, so both :) |
| 17:37.27 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: there's no different classes of mentors. Just mentors who got saddled with a specific project, and those who escaped (or got another project) |
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| 17:37.53 | ashubham | Ophiuchi: what do mentors get out of this ? just $500 ? |
| 17:38.05 | tonfa | new contributors |
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| 17:38.08 | downeym | mentors don't get $500, the organization does |
| 17:38.10 | ahuillet | the organization gets 500USD |
| 17:38.29 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: in my org, mentors get no money, just a load of work and good feelings :) |
| 17:38.43 | dbrashear | openafs has used the aggregate 500 dollarses to fund an extra student in the past |
| 17:38.43 | mmadia | and a t-shirt! |
| 17:38.49 | ashubham | that means the mentor only gets free ice cream at google summit |
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| 17:38.57 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: for the latter, the student should be successful and stick around afterwards, too |
| 17:38.59 | yonij | isnt that a bit unfair |
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| 17:39.03 | Mek | most mentors don't get to the google summit either |
| 17:39.05 | dbrashear | the mentors aren't doing it for the money |
| 17:39.07 | downeym | t-shirt is worth way more than US$500 :) |
| 17:39.15 | Ophiuchi | ashubham: most mentors never get there |
| 17:39.19 | maco | mentors get a t shirt |
| 17:39.32 | toad_ | two t shirts some years :) |
| 17:39.33 | maco | Ophiuchi: i assume you have to fly yourself if you wanna go to it? |
| 17:39.36 | Ophiuchi | right, there's the t-shirt :) |
| 17:39.47 | toad_ | no, google pay flights, but only for 2 people from each org |
| 17:39.53 | maco | ah |
| 17:39.58 | Ophiuchi | maco: Google sponsored two people per org last year |
| 17:40.06 | toad_ | some orgs have a lot more than 2 mentors |
| 17:40.17 | tonfa | and sometimes what is being reimbursed is not enought to pay the flight anyway |
| 17:40.18 | maco | yeah in ubuntu we have 10 slots, so probably about that many mentors |
| 17:40.21 | tonfa | -t |
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| 17:40.55 | pygi | !duplicate |
| 17:40.56 | socinfo | Error: "duplicate" is not a valid command. |
| 17:40.58 | j-b | we have 15 slots, and 15 mentors the same |
| 17:40.58 | pygi | sigh :D |
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| 17:41.13 | mlankhorst | wine has 12 mentors or so, 5 slots ;P |
| 17:41.28 | MatthewWilkes | Plone was about the same as wine |
| 17:41.29 | j-b | wine people are awesome... :) |
| 17:41.35 | aghisla | pygi: duplicate is http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/128297925696563750tehcloningmach.jpg |
| 17:41.55 | jkwood | thinks all the orgs throwing out their slot allocations should automatically lose one |
| 17:41.57 | pygi | aghisla, was just looking at which channel will the duplicate resolution take place |
| 17:41.58 | pygi | that's all |
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| 17:42.02 | aghisla | :D |
| 17:42.07 | mlankhorst | jkwood: shrug, still have 2 unused ones :D |
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| 17:42.15 | tk | we have 2 mentors per project (unofficially) -- but very few applications this year |
| 17:42.22 | micah_gnu | here, until they decide to move it |
| 17:42.23 | Ophiuchi | maco: if Ubuntu's wise, they set up with more than one mentor per project too. |
| 17:42.55 | ashubham | why less applications this year ? |
| 17:42.55 | MatthewWilkes | What worked out well for one of our projects last year was assigning a community member as a customer for the project, going to extend that to all of them this year |
| 17:42.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | hey pygi! :) How goes? |
| 17:43.09 | j-b | MatthewWilkes: clever idea. |
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| 17:43.15 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, its great, thank you! :) You wouldn't believe what happened :D |
| 17:43.21 | j-b | I wish our community was that important |
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| 17:43.29 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, care to take it to pm? |
| 17:43.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | pygi: the dupes resolution will be here if there are not too many people, or else it will be in some other channel (at least that is what was said on the mentor mailing list) |
| 17:43.44 | micah_gnu | MatthewWilkes, "customer", as in, "guy who defines requirements (and determines whether they're being met)?" |
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| 17:43.53 | pygi | Wolf_OSGeo, yea, I'm reading the list :P |
| 17:44.05 | ajuonline | Hi Wolf_OSGeo pygi :) |
| 17:44.24 | MatthewWilkes | micah_gnu: yeah |
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| 17:44.24 | micah_gnu | (of course, more accurately it'd be something more like "guy who completely changes the requirements around on you every week, without expecting to pay any differently") |
| 17:44.38 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 17:44.39 | ashubham | are the students invited to the dups meeting ? |
| 17:44.58 | jmole | they aren't gonna kick you out of the channel |
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| 17:45.00 | MatthewWilkes | ashubham: No, but it's recommended that they're around if they want to have a say |
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| 17:45.17 | CyberTooth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.40 | dho_plan9 | CyberTooth: The meeting isn't until 19:00 UTC |
| 17:45.43 | ashubham | MatthewWilkes: a say in what ? |
| 17:46.02 | dho_plan9 | so another 2.25 hours |
| 17:46.03 | Arc | we'll still be able to shift mentors around after the meeting, right? |
| 17:46.05 | MatthewWilkes | ashubham: If you turn out to be a duplicate and you're online the mentors will ask what you prefer |
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| 17:46.17 | MatthewWilkes | dho_plan9: 1.25 |
| 17:46.20 | dho_plan9 | er |
| 17:46.21 | dho_plan9 | yes |
| 17:46.22 | dho_plan9 | that. |
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| 17:46.25 | dho_plan9 | Arc: My understanding is that needs to be done by Friday |
| 17:46.37 | CyberTooth | dho_plan9:so there they will resolve the dupes? |
| 17:46.38 | killerchicken_ | decoupling in one hour 14 minutes? |
| 17:46.38 | Arc | we have all our students assigned, but some of the mentors are still signing up |
| 17:46.39 | Arc | ok. |
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| 17:46.49 | killerchicken_ | erm |
| 17:46.57 | killerchicken_ | deduplication* |
| 17:47.08 | dho_plan9 | the meeting, yes |
| 17:47.16 | killerchicken_ | thx |
| 17:47.37 | ashubham | MatthewWilkes: So we also get a hint of whether one is selected or not ? |
| 17:47.54 | [particle] | puts on his hat |
| 17:48.02 | CyberTooth | dho_plan9:so people from different organisations will rwill be therre in the meeting? |
| 17:48.06 | [particle]_tpf | howdy, dho_plan9! |
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| 17:48.34 | dho_plan9 | hi |
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| 17:48.42 | MatthewWilkes | ashubham: If you've submitted multiple excellent applications you'll already have had a hint. If you've submitted at least one excellent application and some good ones you might get a hint. |
| 17:48.43 | dho_plan9 | CyberTooth: Yes. |
| 17:48.57 | micah_gnu | CyberTooth, they're expected to be, yes. Orgs that don't have responsive representatives tend to get the short end of the stick. |
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| 17:49.14 | dho_plan9 | [particle]_tpf: (Forgive me, where do I know you from?) |
| 17:49.36 | [particle]_tpf | msys |
| 17:49.41 | dho_plan9 | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 17:49.42 | [particle]_tpf | briefly |
| 17:49.46 | dho_plan9 | righto |
| 17:49.59 | adimania | thinks that CyberTooth is getting all anxious about the slots :) |
| 17:50.03 | CyberTooth | dho_plan9:will some information about the meeting will leak on the IRC? |
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| 17:50.17 | dho_plan9 | CyberTooth: The meeting is to be held here in slightly over an hour. |
| 17:50.23 | CyberTooth | Adimania guessed it right :P |
| 17:50.46 | adimania | CyberTooth: The meeting will start at 00:30 IST :) |
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| 17:51.42 | dho_plan9 | [particle]_tpf: How're your applications this year? |
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| 17:52.22 | CyberTooth | Wolf_OSgeo:how were the applications this year? |
| 17:52.35 | [particle]_tpf | dho_plan9: very high quality, with more applications, more mentors, and more slots than last year. quite happy with that. |
| 17:52.37 | [particle]_tpf | you? |
| 17:53.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | CyberTooth: quite good. We'd like to sponsor more thant the number of slots we got, but that's the story eery year |
| 17:53.30 | dho_plan9 | We got 1 less slot than last year, half the applications, but higher quality than last year too. |
| 17:53.34 | Wolf_OSGeo | CyberTooth: actually I'd very good in general. I'm happy |
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| 17:53.43 | LetterRip | Wolf_OSGeo: unlimited wants, limited resources :) |
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| 17:53.51 | ashubham | how many slots did ESA get , does anyone have an idea ? |
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| 17:53.54 | x` | hey Wolf_OSGeo, like the map? :) |
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| 17:54.49 | jkwood | ashubham: Why don't you try asking in the ESA official channels, rather than the #gsoc official channel? |
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| 17:55.45 | ashubham | jkwood: becuz this info is not to be given out officially... ESA channel is official for ESA... but gsoc channel is not |
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| 17:56.15 | Wolf_OSGeo | x`: yea! Thanks! :D |
| 17:56.40 | x` | Wolf_OSGeo: you should definitely watch that BBC series, it is awesome! |
| 17:56.44 | schumaml | ashubham: the number of slots? |
| 17:56.49 | jkwood | So essentially, you're looking for a leak of information that the organization doesn't want you to have? |
| 17:57.01 | Wolf_OSGeo | LetterRip: no, not unlimited. Only 65% of our slots or so ;) |
| 17:57.06 | ashubham | jkwood: yeah |
| 17:57.08 | LetterRip | heh |
| 17:57.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | x: I sure will! |
| 17:57.14 | downeym | ashubham |
| 17:57.21 | downeym | ashubham: are you a student? |
| 17:57.35 | schumaml | were we supposed to keep that secret? |
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| 17:57.43 | merwok | Whatâs this dup thing youâre talking about? |
| 17:57.49 | sxw_ | We haven't been telling people this year. |
| 17:57.52 | LetterRip | !dub |
| 17:57.53 | socinfo | Error: "dub" is not a valid command. |
| 17:57.56 | LetterRip | !dup |
| 17:57.57 | socinfo | Error: "dup" is not a valid command. |
| 17:57.59 | LetterRip | !dupe |
| 17:58.00 | socinfo | Error: "dupe" is not a valid command. |
| 17:58.07 | jkwood | You're very lucky that I'm not a representative of ESA, or you'd lose points with me for that kind of nonsense. |
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| 17:58.19 | x` | Wolf_OSGeo: just a heads up, the first episode is about this ancient map, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hereford_Mappa_Mundi_1300.jpg :) |
| 17:58.21 | AhtiK | sry, what is the irc channel for duplication resolution? |
| 17:58.26 | sxw_ | Last year, IIRC, the list of slot allocations was public. This year, as far as I can see orgs only know their own slot counts. |
| 17:58.26 | LetterRip | if two projects rank a student as a potential accepted candidate |
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| 17:58.35 | LetterRip | then only one of them can metor him |
| 17:58.38 | LetterRip | or her |
| 17:58.44 | jkwood | schumaml: That's up to the organization I suppose. |
| 17:58.45 | anirvana | !next |
| 17:58.45 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 17:58.50 | LetterRip | thus resolving which project gets the studedent |
| 17:58.52 | LetterRip | student |
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| 17:59.46 | schumaml | the "respond to comments" was very poor for us this year, except for students who had already been communicating |
| 17:59.57 | schumaml | anyone else experienced the same? |
| 17:59.59 | x` | @danderson: do you think it would be prudent to disable the bot (i.e. make it ignore channel commands) in the coming hour? |
| 18:00.03 | sxw_ | schumaml: Yes |
| 18:00.05 | Wolf_OSGeo | x` neat! |
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| 18:00.27 | ensonic | hi Wolf_OSGeo |
| 18:00.37 | sxw_ | We found that Melange email notifications were very intermittent. But we had asked students for alternative contact details and pinged them that way. |
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| 18:00.53 | bobbens | I believe melange email notifications weren't enabled by default |
| 18:00.55 | Chetan | schumaml: may be they forgot to suscribe to notifications |
| 18:00.57 | bobbens | I didn't get a mail at all |
| 18:01.01 | Chetan | that happened to me last year |
| 18:01.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | hi ensonic |
| 18:01.19 | schumaml | Chetan: well, but they could always check manually |
| 18:01.21 | sxw_ | I got a few emails, at seemingly random intervals. But I just check the site every day, so catch up that way. |
| 18:01.30 | jkwood | Heya, bobbens. Long time no see. |
| 18:01.48 | schumaml | and there were others who did that, so there was no need to ping the others |
| 18:01.51 | slingshot | i remember last year it subscribed to updates automatically. this year it didnt |
| 18:01.55 | bobbens | hello jkwood |
| 18:02.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | how's it going ensonic? |
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| 18:03.54 | ashubham | what are the chances of getting selected if you get no communication at all from the organisation ? |
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| 18:04.11 | adimania | depends in irg |
| 18:04.20 | plone_mwilkes | ashubham: Somewhere between 0 and 1 |
| 18:04.22 | tk | ashubham: as ironic as it sounds... you' d have to ask that org :P |
| 18:04.22 | Wolf_OSGeo | also depends on the org :P |
| 18:04.23 | adimania | s/in org/on org |
| 18:04.56 | DJWillis | ashubham: no contact? Hmmm, so no comments on your app, I guess it depends on the org but I know we look for a lot of communication with the prospects. |
| 18:04.59 | aditya_ | depends on proposal |
| 18:05.18 | jkwood | I'd call it poor protocol on the part of the org if they didn't respond (we've communicated with every student, even if they had a horrible application), but maybe they would have good reasons for never communicating. |
| 18:05.24 | ensonic | Wolf_OSGeo: dupes :/ |
| 18:05.43 | pygi | jkwood, there's not good reason for that imho |
| 18:05.44 | tonfa | jkwood: depends on the org I guess |
| 18:05.57 | pygi | s/not/no/ |
| 18:06.07 | tk | sadly, we've communicated with the horrible apps too... something to be said about students who want to do projects that are completely unrelated to your organization and see no problem with not even attempting to follow your application process |
| 18:06.07 | dmitrig01 | can i still sign up mentors? |
| 18:06.08 | tonfa | if they students don't bother to follow the guidelines the org sets up, why would you? |
| 18:06.17 | tonfa | dmitrig01: I think so |
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| 18:06.49 | Wolf_OSGeo | I'd hate to be a student. Not knowing what goes on... I guess that's one of the reasons I'm an admin :P (full cotrol FTW) |
| 18:06.59 | Wolf_OSGeo | control even... |
| 18:06.59 | LawG | I haven't received any comments or emails about my proposal :/ |
| 18:07.11 | kimelto | same here |
| 18:07.13 | tk | tonfa: maybe they submitted the wrong info to you (they can apply for multiple orgs) |
| 18:07.17 | Wolf_OSGeo | LawG: did you subscribe? |
| 18:07.22 | merwok | Me neither, apart from a generic âall proposals look goodâ |
| 18:07.31 | jkwood | pygi: I agree, but then I've seen dozens of successful open-source project management styles, some of which dictate minimum interaction with those who aren't members of the team. |
| 18:07.34 | merwok | The mentor set us with a coding task, though. |
| 18:07.35 | plone_mwilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: I dunno, students have the most control, they choose if they're going to write a good app or not based on if they put effort in |
| 18:07.41 | tonfa | tk: we expect students to at least bother reading our GSOC page ;) |
| 18:07.44 | LawG | Wolf_OSGeo: Yes, and even checked the proposal page almost daily :P |
| 18:07.52 | pygi | jkwood, *perhaps*, but you lose on potential students outside gsoc as well IMHO |
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| 18:07.55 | CyberTooth | Wolf_OSgeo:heard that OSGEO got one more chat than last year, is that tue? |
| 18:08.05 | tk | tonfa: and like I said, maybe they mixed up their proposals when finally submitting them |
| 18:08.05 | CyberTooth | chat -slots |
| 18:08.07 | plone_mwilkes | Wolf_OSGeo: We accepted all students who clearly made an effort. If you obviously spent less than an hour on an application you had no chance, for example. |
| 18:08.18 | tk | submitted rather |
| 18:08.22 | tonfa | tk: no they clearly submitted to us |
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| 18:08.29 | LawG | plone_mwilkes: What org? |
| 18:08.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | CyberTooth: chat? slot? |
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| 18:08.37 | plone_mwilkes | LawG: Plone |
| 18:08.38 | pygi | LawG, plone obviously :D |
| 18:08.42 | pygi | duh |
| 18:08.53 | Wolf_OSGeo | CyberTooth: no comment |
| 18:08.53 | LawG | :o |
| 18:08.57 | CyberTooth | Wolf_OSgeo:heard that OSGEO got one more slots than last year, is that tue? |
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| 18:09.03 | Wolf_OSGeo | CyberTooth: no comment |
| 18:09.07 | CyberTooth | Wolf_OSgeo:ok :) |
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| 18:09.15 | tk | tonfa: well it was just an idea :P |
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| 18:09.17 | Wolf_OSGeo | is not commenting anything about slots |
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| 18:09.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | nor chances of making it |
| 18:09.37 | ashubham | plone_mwilkes: I will apply to your org next year :) |
| 18:09.42 | plone_mwilkes | pygi: Well, only people that hang around here a lot would recognise my normal nick, it's an easy mistake to make |
| 18:10.02 | plone_mwilkes | ashubham: Oh? How come? |
| 18:10.26 | josip | are the chosen students going to get some kind of notification today? |
| 18:10.30 | tonfa | no |
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| 18:10.37 | ashubham | plone_mwilkes: As, you said you accept everyone who makes an effort |
| 18:10.42 | tonfa | josip: only on the 26th |
| 18:10.42 | LetterRip | josip 26th afaik |
| 18:10.44 | pygi | josip, no |
| 18:10.48 | tonfa | josip: before that it's not official |
| 18:10.49 | josip | jeez, one more week :( |
| 18:10.53 | josip | okay, thanks |
| 18:11.01 | jkwood | Next year, I'm putting "Asking about things like how many applicaants, applications, slots, or mangos we have will result in an automatic disqualification of your proposals" on our GSoC page. |
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| 18:11.12 | LetterRip | heheh |
| 18:11.16 | Chetan | hehe |
| 18:11.17 | downeym | For the meeting, is there a convention to follow for our nick to represent our org? |
| 18:11.18 | stefans_ | Where and when is that deduplication meeting going to take place ? |
| 18:11.43 | LetterRip | in 39 minutes |
| 18:11.54 | plone_mwilkes | ashubham: Of course, we might not get enough slots to do that in general. Also, we'd discourage people from applying if they weren't interested in content management systems or had no experience whatsoever in Python. SoC is about learning about open source, not learning a new language |
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| 18:12.45 | plone_mwilkes | Gamara: I believe I saw an interview you gave a while ago about the reasoning behind summer of code being about getting students to do a meaty project of their own and find out about open source, but I couldn't find the link the other day. Do you recall the one I mean? |
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| 18:13.00 | wesnoth|ivanovic | downeym: look at my nick |
| 18:13.08 | wesnoth|ivanovic | downeym: this is basically the convention |
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| 18:13.23 | wesnoth|ivanovic | $orgname|$nick |
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| 18:13.28 | OpenMRS|downeym | wesnoth|ivanovic: thanks :) |
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| 18:13.57 | ashubham | plone_mwilkes: a language is only a tool, Unless you have a definite objective why would you use that tool, having a project is a motivation enough to use anything available on earth |
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| 18:14.16 | rajat | !countdown |
| 18:14.16 | socinfo | "countdown" is for a countdown till results are announced see http://is.gd/bxZkB |
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| 18:14.54 | plone_mwilkes | ashubham: I don't understand what you just said, sorry. |
| 18:15.36 | kblin | mlankhorst: yay, one irc client less to join |
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| 18:17.05 | adimania | kblin: How many kblins do we have today? :D |
| 18:17.43 | Ivanovic | i would have expected 4 (one his normal client and three for some orgs) |
| 18:17.50 | merwok | ashubham, a language shapes thought, though. See http://jacobian.org/writing/syntactic-sugar/ or any good linguistics textbook (not chomskyan) |
| 18:17.54 | AhtiK | Is there a dedicated irc channel for Duplicate Resolutions? A channel just for mentors or org admins? |
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| 18:18.15 | Ivanovic | AhtiK: if there will be one, it will be announced in here |
| 18:18.33 | AhtiK | Ivanovic, ok, thanks! thought i might have missed something. |
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| 18:18.58 | danderson | The deduplication channel is #gsoc-dedup |
| 18:19.24 | micah_gnu | Had that been mentioned before? |
| 18:19.28 | danderson | it's open to all, but please refrain from speaking unless you are called upon to resolve conflicts |
| 18:19.46 | danderson | about an hour ago, yes. But not widely yet. |
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| 18:19.53 | danderson | I was going to step up announcing it as the meeting draws close |
| 18:20.07 | micah_gnu | Better put it in the topic in CAPS |
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| 18:21.00 | freenet|toad | is it acceptable to wait until the dupe meeting stats before giving up our last slot? |
| 18:21.04 | freenet|toad | or should we do it now? |
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| 18:21.15 | ashubham | merwok: nice thought! |
| 18:21.21 | freenet|toad | it is conceivable that our weakest student will come through with a white rabbit in the remaining time ... |
| 18:21.28 | freenet|toad | it is increasingly unlikely though |
| 18:21.36 | micah_gnu | I doubt extra slots matter now, freenet|toad; I doubt they'll be redistributed |
| 18:21.40 | josip | so as it happens, some organizations have extra slots? |
| 18:21.43 | danderson | I'd say feel free to hold onto it until the meeting starts |
| 18:21.46 | kblin | freenet|toad: I don't think it makes a big difference |
| 18:21.46 | micah_gnu | (since that could result in extra dupes) |
| 18:21.52 | freenet|toad | okay, thanks |
| 18:21.54 | danderson | at that point, if nothing has happened, I'd say the student loses. |
| 18:22.05 | freenet|toad | right |
| 18:22.09 | kblin | micah_gnu: they will be at the meeting |
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| 18:22.21 | freenet|toad | but there will be an opportunity in the meeting to dump it |
| 18:22.22 | kblin | micah_gnu: I know we did that in 2008 and 2009 |
| 18:22.31 | micah_gnu | kblin, okay, couldn't remember if that was the case |
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| 18:23.28 | kblin | danderson: thanks for running the show :) |
| 18:23.39 | kblin | bawr: oh, lookie there :) |
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| 18:24.18 | Ivanovic | any news regarding carols and her travaling to london? |
| 18:24.36 | Ivanovic | was it successful or is she currently busy swimming though the channel? |
| 18:24.57 | emmanuelp | lol |
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| 18:26.10 | adimania | Ivanovic: Channel perhaps. She would have joined today otherwise. |
| 18:26.19 | rockbox|scorche | wine_mlankhorst: hi! =) |
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| 18:26.36 | Ivanovic | adimania: she already said that she will be traveling today so that she gets to london |
| 18:26.50 | Ivanovic | adimania: so she has not expected to be around much in advance |
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| 18:27.27 | adimania | Ivanovic: I hope she makes it on time. |
| 18:27.35 | Ivanovic | so do i |
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| 18:27.48 | [particle]_tpf | otherwise you'll have to run the meeting. |
| 18:27.57 | [particle]_tpf | ;) |
| 18:28.30 | danderson | Org representatives, a reminder: you should join #gsoc-dedup for the dedup meeting, which should start in ~30 minutes. |
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| 18:29.05 | rockbox|scorche | keep in mind that a representative from each org should be in attendance...even if you are not marked as having any duplicates |
| 18:29.19 | adimania | [particle]_tpf: We have 4 kblins to run the meeting. Also there is one each of danderson, scorche and Lennie. |
| 18:29.27 | adimania | :D |
| 18:29.29 | [particle]_tpf | :) |
| 18:29.32 | kblin | 4 of me? |
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| 18:29.44 | kblin | no wine_kblin this year :) |
| 18:29.51 | Arc | ok i figured out that if i set our lowest app to a positive number, then set them (in reverse order) to rank 1, it gets them all spread out |
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| 18:30.30 | fdrpg|jkwood | Wouldn't putting the org name first in the nick help facilitate tab-completion? |
| 18:30.32 | adimania | kblin: you are kai, worldforge and samba.. of course you are yourself, total 4 :) |
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| 18:30.43 | fdrpg|jkwood | For you me_org people. |
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| 18:31.16 | rockbox|scorche | fdrpg|jkwood: that is the idea, yeah |
| 18:31.23 | kblin | fdrpg|jkwood: what rockbox|scorche said |
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| 18:31.50 | fdrpg|jkwood | =) |
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| 18:32.40 | fdrpg|jkwood | Oh look, it's in the channel topic. How about that. |
| 18:32.46 | kblin | adimania: unfortunately I don't scale up like that :) |
| 18:32.53 | rockbox|scorche | fascinating, no? ;) |
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| 18:32.56 | gentoo|nirbheek | OpenMRS|nribeka, your name is... scarily similar to mine |
| 18:33.05 | rockbox|scorche | fdrpg|jkwood: same from #linode, i presume? |
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| 18:33.24 | fdrpg|jkwood | Yup. =) |
| 18:33.31 | gentoo|nirbheek | OpenMRS|nribeka, I thought someone was impersonating me :S |
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| 18:34.06 | kblin | hi ellen |
| 18:34.14 | Ivanovic | hi ellen |
| 18:34.23 | Ivanovic | koe: [20:28:30] <danderson> Org representatives, a reminder: you should join #gsoc-dedup for the dedup meeting, which should start in ~30 minutes. |
| 18:34.31 | koe | Hello everyone! |
| 18:34.39 | minix3|straydawg | hi ellen :) |
| 18:34.45 | wine_mlankhorst | koetjee :D |
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| 18:34.52 | OSGeo|aghisla | hi ellen! |
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| 18:34.53 | minix3|straydawg | wine_mlankhorst: ;) |
| 18:34.53 | rockbox|scorche | koe: come join us in #gsoc-dedup ! ;) |
| 18:35.00 | koe | geting ready for the dedup meeting? |
| 18:35.03 | kblin | koe: I hope you brought popcorn :) |
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| 18:35.11 | dberkholz_gentoo | hi koe! |
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| 18:35.38 | drupal|dmitrig01 | "Even if you are one of the lucky orgs to not have any duplicates with a fellow org immediately preceding the meeting, you are still required to have someone attend the meeting...." vs. "This means you can skip the meeting unless if you are representing one of the following 12 orgs:" |
| 18:35.44 | dberkholz_gentoo | hmm, good idea. |
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| 18:36.24 | drupal|dmitrig01 | which one is right? :D |
| 18:36.30 | minix3|evdk | drupal|dmitrig01: seems safer to attend |
| 18:36.30 | smtms | what's the longest possible sequence of cascading duplicate resolutions? |
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| 18:36.44 | minix3|evdk | Carol specified that several times |
| 18:36.58 | gchaix|osuosl | drupal|dmitrig01: yeah, I think it'd be good to stick around just in case |
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| 18:37.09 | drupal|dmitrig01 | ok |
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| 18:37.10 | rockbox|scorche | smtms: maybe make hat a qualification task for next year? ;) |
| 18:37.16 | rockbox|scorche | s/hat/hat |
| 18:37.19 | rockbox|scorche | grrr |
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| 18:37.27 | plone_mwilkes | smtms: Many times more than the total number of organisations |
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| 18:37.53 | gentoo|nirbheek | gentoo|db, you probably want to join #gsoc-dedup |
| 18:37.54 | ashubham | what %age of students are dups ? |
| 18:38.06 | kblin | small? |
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| 18:38.15 | koe | 6 students / 1000 |
| 18:38.30 | koe | so .6% |
| 18:38.44 | ashubham | only 6 are duplicates this year ? |
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| 18:38.51 | kblin | fyodor_nmap: we're in #gsoc-dedup for deduplication |
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| 18:38.53 | wine_mlankhorst | the rest have been resolved :) |
| 18:39.06 | emmanuelp | WOW 6 students? |
| 18:39.10 | emmanuelp | I was expecting way more |
| 18:39.14 | Lennie | well |
| 18:39.21 | anirvana | can we see the names of those 6 students? |
| 18:39.24 | Lennie | it helped that the system told you a few days ago already :0 |
| 18:39.43 | rockbox|scorche | anirvana: it is in the mentors mailing list |
| 18:39.49 | OpenMRS|downeym | anirvana: if you're a mentor you can see it |
| 18:39.56 | emmanuelp | so that some orgs could bribe others in order to give up a student :) |
| 18:39.57 | anirvana | i am not :( |
| 18:40.05 | rockbox|scorche | anirvana: then you dont need to worry about it ;) |
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| 18:43.57 | ashubham | why not just ask the 6 students their choice ?? |
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| 18:44.18 | rez_les | that is the main idea |
| 18:44.22 | dreimark | that anyway will happen, |
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| 18:44.29 | rez_les | but, sometimes it's not that simple |
| 18:44.31 | danderson | not necessarily. |
| 18:44.34 | dreimark | also we need to know if we have any other new dups |
| 18:44.38 | dreimark | to resolve then |
| 18:44.45 | fdrpg|jkwood | ashubham: Because the orgs are the ones who need the studnets, not the other way around. |
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| 18:47.16 | dberkholz | could someone set the topic to point to the dupe channel? |
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| 18:47.42 | marcheu | I thought it was supposed to be here, as per the mailing list |
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| 18:47.44 | *** topic/#gsoc by wine_mlankhorst -> Duplicate resolution is at #gsoc-dedup |
| 18:47.49 | marcheu | aha |
| 18:48.02 | rockbox|scorche | wine_mlankhorst: bah...i was going to just do a topicappend, but... |
| 18:48.18 | wine_mlankhorst | rockbox|scorche: just pop topic afterwards :) |
| 18:48.32 | wine_mlankhorst | adding at the end wouldnt be visible |
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| 18:48.37 | Sanva | but who must be in #gsoc-dedup?? Only mentors or also students? |
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| 18:48.47 | kblin | only mentors |
| 18:48.47 | rockbox|scorche | mentors |
| 18:48.50 | Sanva | oks, thanks |
| 18:48.53 | rez_les | !dedup |
| 18:48.53 | socinfo | Error: "dedup" is not a valid command. |
| 18:48.54 | kblin | jkridner: -> #gsoc-dedup |
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| 18:49.14 | kblin | jkridner: hi, btw :) |
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| 18:49.32 | rez_les | !learn dedup as deduplication channel is #gsoc-dedup |
| 18:49.32 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:49.36 | rez_les | !dedup |
| 18:49.36 | socinfo | "dedup" is deduplication channel is #gsoc-dedup |
| 18:49.41 | int3 | are non-mentors allowed to join #-dedup? |
| 18:49.51 | smtms | int3, they are |
| 18:49.56 | wine_mlankhorst | yeah but please stay quiet :) |
| 18:49.56 | kblin | int3: yes, just keep quiet |
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| 18:58.02 | fdrpg|jkwood | dho_plan9: Might want to check the nick conventions, friend. |
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| 18:58.24 | dho_plan9 | fdrpg|jkwood: I've used this nick every summer since 2007 :P |
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| 18:58.47 | plan9|anth | and they'll find me, regardless. :-) |
| 18:58.55 | dho_plan9 | heh |
| 18:59.00 | fdrpg|jkwood | Ah, didn't see that. Carry on. |
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| 18:59.06 | plone_mwilkes | dho_plan9: Same, this nick is registered with nickserv, I'm not going through its allocation nuttiness again :) |
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| 18:59.13 | dho_plan9 | plone_mwilkes: exactly |
| 18:59.32 | dojotoolkit|tk | didnt know nickserv was so complicated :P |
| 18:59.36 | Ophiuchi | made it (*pant*) |
| 18:59.37 | rtems|DrJoel | Bart.. you probably want #gsoc-dedup |
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| 18:59.43 | Bart_Massey | Ah, thanks |
| 18:59.57 | dho_plan9 | It isn't. But you can't change your nick when you're in +R channels |
| 19:00.00 | rockbox|scorche | waves at rtems|DrJoel |
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| 19:01.30 | kblin | dedup in #gsoc-dedup |
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| 19:01.43 | kblin | and no, cat allman is running the meeting |
| 19:01.45 | moin|dreimark | psf|ArcRiley: read mail |
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| 19:01.54 | IngoRenner | hi ther |
| 19:01.55 | psf|ArcRiley | *which* mail |
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| 19:02.16 | rockbox|scorche | psf|ArcRiley: just join #gsoc-dedup please |
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| 19:02.30 | psf|ArcRiley | i am in #gsoc-dedup |
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| 19:02.36 | kblin | wine_mlankhorst: shush |
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| 19:02.45 | OSGeo|aghisla | wine_mlankhorst: :D |
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| 19:02.51 | kblin | psf|ArcRiley: so I see, nicklist too long, sorry :) |
| 19:02.52 | FernandoC8 | lol that's not the syntax |
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| 19:03.14 | haiku|mmadia | if we're not one of the orgs with dups, is it ok to idle here instead? |
| 19:03.24 | Melange|Lennie | please join in as an org |
| 19:03.26 | wine_mlankhorst | you want to be there, in case a new dup shows up |
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| 19:03.27 | Melange|Lennie | you never know what will happen |
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| 19:03.28 | plan9|anth | you should idle there, just in case |
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| 19:03.46 | wine_mlankhorst | Nightrose: kde|nightrose? ;) |
| 19:04.08 | bawr | Uhh, why is everyone renicking like crazy? |
| 19:04.08 | psf|ArcRiley | we (psf) are being gifted 3 slots from 2 orgs, we really need carol (or someone who can do so) to complete that before the end of meeting to ensure we dont get any new dups |
| 19:04.10 | Nightrose | wine_mlankhorst: hehe i'm in too many channels which need me as nightrose |
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| 19:04.14 | dberkholz | PSU|Bart_Massey: fyi, i already passed marcheu a slot from gentoo. not sure xorg's looking for any more |
| 19:04.17 | psf|ArcRiley | ive already put our three choices in order |
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| 19:04.33 | bawr | Ah, the dedup meeting? |
| 19:04.36 | Nightrose | wine_mlankhorst: and KDE|lfranchi is around too :D |
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| 19:04.48 | marcheu | dberkholz: yeah we have one more good student but it could go as VoC as well |
| 19:04.51 | Blender|LetterRi | if anyone wants to gift another to blender, we wouldn't turn it down :) |
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| 19:04.58 | Blender|LetterRi | not that we are desperate or anything |
| 19:05.05 | Shraier | One question, is this "meeting" today only for mentors? |
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| 19:05.13 | wine_mlankhorst | yes |
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| 19:05.18 | Blender|LetterRi | the dedup meeting is pretty much just mentors yes |
| 19:05.19 | piyushmishra | yes |
| 19:05.26 | Shraier | alright, thanks :) |
| 19:05.28 | int3 | Shraier: afaik, you can join but just keep quiet |
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| 19:05.59 | int3 | Shraier: according to kblin and smtms |
| 19:06.06 | *** topic/#gsoc by wine_mlankhorst -> Duplicate resolution is at #gsoc-dedup FOR MENTORS ONLY, ALL ORGS SHOULD ATTEND |
| 19:06.09 | Shraier | :) |
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| 19:07.05 | bawr | Blender|LetterRi: You know, this is why I postulated free-market economics for slots. Well, not really. I postulated that because I wondered what's their perceived worth. :) |
| 19:07.09 | Shraier | so we have to wait 26th april to get thelist of accepted students, right? |
| 19:07.20 | bawr | Pretty much, yeah. |
| 19:07.21 | Blender|LetterRi | bawr 5000$ |
| 19:07.33 | Blender|LetterRi | probably heavily discounted though :) |
| 19:07.36 | bawr | Blender|LetterRi: Not to orgs. |
| 19:07.40 | Blender|LetterRi | since without adequate mentoring capacity |
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| 19:07.49 | Blender|LetterRi | they are wasted a bit |
| 19:07.55 | bawr | Hard-cash value to orgs is more along the lines of $500. |
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| 19:08.18 | Blender|LetterRi | well depends on the org - orgs with a dual commercial nature they are likely worth more |
| 19:08.38 | Blender|LetterRi | and depends on the project and student proposal a lot |
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| 19:08.59 | kblin | Blender|LetterRi: not sure |
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| 19:09.48 | smtms | what is VoC? |
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| 19:10.15 | bawr | kblin: So... why aren't *you* wearing an org tag? |
| 19:10.17 | dojotoolkit|tk | is there a way to view Mentor contact info from mentor applications? (was it part of the application I forget) |
| 19:10.22 | pygi | ChipX86, poke |
| 19:10.23 | kblin | I am |
| 19:10.36 | kblin | points at worldforge_kblin and samba_kblin |
| 19:10.48 | Blender|LetterRi | ah aliases |
| 19:10.57 | gentoo|db | those of us with a real irc client can do such things |
| 19:11.01 | gentoo|db | points at dberkholz |
| 19:11.16 | kblin | Blender|LetterRi: with two orgs, that's the best solution |
| 19:11.56 | Blender|LetterRi | so how does that work - can someone representing two orgs mentor one project for each org? |
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| 19:12.10 | Blender|LetterRi | or does the one proposal per mentor still apply |
| 19:12.17 | kblin | hm? |
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| 19:12.28 | kblin | there's a one proposal per mentor rule? |
| 19:12.33 | Blender|LetterRi | ie can you mentor a project for worldforge and one for samba |
| 19:12.35 | bawr | gentoo|db: Meh. I'll see your real IRC client and raise you an IRC client that just opens pipes to read / write data for each channel. ;P |
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| 19:12.44 | Blender|LetterRi | kblin - hmm i was under the impression that that was the case |
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| 19:12.47 | Blender|LetterRi | could be mistaken |
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| 19:13.12 | PSU|Bart_Massey | allman: After further discussion, PSU wants to keep 6 slots, give one to X.Org, and return the other to the general pool. I think that resolves our only dup, so we should be good. |
| 19:13.23 | kblin | PSU|Bart_Massey: wrong channel |
| 19:13.32 | PSU|Bart_Massey | kblin: ? |
| 19:13.33 | smtms | Blender|LetterRi, kblin is an admin for these orgs; one mentor per proposal is a recommendation, not a rule |
| 19:13.42 | rockbox|scorche | PSU|Bart_Massey: #gsoc-dedup |
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| 19:13.48 | Blender|LetterRi | smtms ah ok |
| 19:13.50 | PSU|Bart_Massey | oops. thanks |
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| 19:14.03 | Blender|LetterRi | smtms assumed he was the admin, but often admins mentor also |
| 19:14.06 | globus|borja | globus|mk: who are you? |
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| 19:14.07 | Blender|LetterRi | so was just curious |
| 19:14.14 | globus|borja | globus|mk: if you are not a GLobus mentor, please change your nick |
| 19:14.36 | kblin | Blender|LetterRi: I wouldn't suggest to mentor more than one student, but if you have more time to deal with mentoring, you certainly can do so |
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| 19:14.43 | lolfrenz | I don't like how mentors pay no attention to the proposals because they have too many of them |
| 19:14.49 | kblin | Blender|LetterRi: nmap's fyodor mentored 5 students in 2006, iirc |
| 19:14.55 | Blender|LetterRi | heh will have my handsful with one :) |
| 19:14.56 | rockbox|scorche | lolfrenz: not nice to generalise.. |
| 19:15.01 | Blender|LetterRi | kbln crazy |
| 19:15.02 | lolfrenz | talking to my mentor, he has repeatedly proved that he has nearly no clue about what I've written in my proposal |
| 19:15.12 | Blender|LetterRi | lolfrenz: ouch! |
| 19:15.24 | dho_plan9 | It's a great idea to out that in a public forum, too. |
| 19:15.39 | Blender|LetterRi | lolfrenz: yeah i'd talk with the individual privately |
| 19:15.42 | dojotoolkit|tk | lolfrenz: pull a Donald Trump on them.... :P |
| 19:16.01 | kblin | scummvm|LordHoto: ah, thanks |
| 19:16.02 | lolfrenz | well, maybe I'm exagerating |
| 19:16.08 | kblin | I'm a bit blind today |
| 19:16.19 | scummvm|LordHoto | you're welcome :-) |
| 19:16.22 | lolfrenz | Blender|LetterRi, I am talking with the individual privately :) |
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| 19:16.40 | lolfrenz | I should quit bitching and gossipping tho, he's been really nice |
| 19:16.49 | Blender|LetterRi | yes |
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| 19:17.31 | GIMP|Death | gnu|micah: We would be interested in one more yes, if you have extra. |
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| 19:17.36 | dberkholz | GNOME|_ke: did you guys get that extra slot i sent your way a day or so ago? |
| 19:18.02 | dreamwidth|rah | we would love an extra slot or two if there are any available :) |
| 19:18.11 | GIMP|Death | gnu|micah: The one you already donated was appreciated very much :) |
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| 19:18.49 | GNOME|_ke | dberkholz, no? |
| 19:19.07 | bawr | Wait, so orgs can give away their slots directly? Now I really wonder if a trade system evolved. :) |
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| 19:19.38 | dberkholz | GNOME|_ke: huh. a couple of other orgs i requested slots for got 'em. you haven't gotten any new ones since ~2 days ago? |
| 19:19.49 | kblin | bawr: no-one paid me yet ;) |
| 19:19.53 | Ivanovic | bawr: it evolved around chocolate and beer |
| 19:19.57 | dreamwidth|rah | i don't know if our other admin requested more yet or not, hrm |
| 19:20.04 | GNOME|_ke | dberkholz, ah wait, we got one from gnu, sorry |
| 19:20.17 | dberkholz | GNOME|_ke: i'm gentoo... |
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| 19:20.24 | gnu|micah | GNOME|_ke, just now, or are you talking about the one before? |
| 19:20.28 | gentoo|db | perhaps this would be easier. |
| 19:20.42 | GNOME|_ke | GNOME|sandy, did we get from gentoo? |
| 19:20.52 | gnu|micah | nm, I read the scrollback :) |
| 19:21.49 | GNOME|sandy | GNOME|_ke: one came from gnu, I'm not sure where the other came from |
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| 19:21.50 | kblin | scales up danderson a bit |
| 19:21.50 | Blender|LetterRi | he needs to be forked |
| 19:21.51 | wine_mlankhorst | fires up 4 instances of danderson |
| 19:21.54 | GNOME|_ke | dberkholz, see the reply from GNOME|sandy |
| 19:22.13 | gentoo|db | GNOME|_ke: huh. sounds like everyone i wanted to get slots did, but our total never went down |
| 19:22.23 | freenet|toad | we can swap around our mentor assignments later on, right? |
| 19:22.25 | kblin | Blender|LetterRi: sounds painfull |
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| 19:22.42 | kblin | freenet|toad: I think so |
| 19:22.46 | aditya_ | next! |
| 19:22.54 | aditya_ | !next |
| 19:22.54 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
| 19:23.04 | aditya_ | !help |
| 19:23.04 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 19:23.29 | PSF|Arc | be kind to danderson he's overloaded |
| 19:23.34 | OSGeo|Wolf | PSU_percy: hey, try to admin rank it to your last, it should do it ;) |
| 19:24.06 | GNOME|_ke | gentoo|db, no idea then ;) |
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| 19:24.18 | gentoo|db | yeah, i'm discussing it with the slot guru in query. |
| 19:25.12 | kblin | allman needs a better irc client |
| 19:25.18 | dojotoolkit|tk | lol |
| 19:25.22 | gnu|micah | srsly |
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| 19:25.33 | dho_plan9 | rofl |
| 19:25.58 | dojotoolkit|tk | telnet is a bit outdated isnt it? :P |
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| 19:26.27 | dho_plan9 | I use it to IRC sometimes |
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| 19:26.41 | fdrpg|jkwood | It has its uses. |
| 19:26.53 | fdrpg|jkwood | Mostly for testing things, ircing in a bad spot. |
| 19:26.54 | dho_plan9 | last week even, forget why |
| 19:26.56 | dojotoolkit|tk | when I used Windows, I would just use DCC to spawn quick IRC users if I needed to do something short lived :) |
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| 19:27.06 | dojotoolkit|tk | well windows+mIRC |
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| 19:27.08 | dho_plan9 | Oh, testing an auto-op script for a channel, that's why |
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| 19:28.01 | dojotoolkit|tk | dho_plan9: people still use those? I thought all the major networks provide that these days |
| 19:28.11 | drupal|dmitrig01 | is getting bored... |
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| 19:28.25 | dho_plan9 | efnet doesn't have services. |
| 19:28.55 | observerbot | hehe EFnet |
| 19:29.14 | wine_mlankhorst | so how do you get ops if all ops are gone? |
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| 19:29.18 | dojotoolkit|tk | thought that hell hole finally imploded.... |
| 19:29.29 | rockbox|scorche | wine_mlankhorst: CHANFIX |
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| 19:29.50 | dho_plan9 | efnet's much nicer than freenode. |
| 19:29.52 | fdrpg|jkwood | dojotoolkit|tk: You're done trolling yet? |
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| 19:30.21 | dojotoolkit|tk | fdrpg|jkwood: I wasnt trolling, but are you? wow... so conversation is trolling |
| 19:30.22 | fdrpg|jkwood | IRC networks serve different purposes. It's not a war or popularity contest. |
| 19:30.47 | kblin | come on folks, stay nice :) |
| 19:31.01 | wine_mlankhorst | come on, we need some trolling kblin :) |
| 19:31.04 | smtms | all that really matters are the channels one visits |
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| 19:31.22 | dojotoolkit|tk | fdrpg|jkwood: and people are allowed to have opinions, I wasnt starting any flame wars, just casual conversation |
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| 19:31.30 | njweol | i came late because of the email thread. have the dups been resolved? |
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| 19:31.56 | dreamwidth|rah | one should really vist efnet in emacs while running netbsd and sending email via postfix |
| 19:32.00 | geeklog|vinny | njweol: #gsoc-dedup |
| 19:32.03 | dreamwidth|rah | there, did i miss any other perpetual flame wars? :) |
| 19:32.13 | njweol | #gsoc-dedup |
| 19:32.15 | njweol | oops |
| 19:32.26 | minix3|straydawg | dreamwidth|rah: heh |
| 19:32.27 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: gnome vs kde |
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| 19:32.41 | dojotoolkit|tk | dreamwidth|rah: you forgot to include the VirtualPC instance that netbsd is running in under WindowsME :P |
| 19:32.43 | dreamwidth|rah | oh right! and shell, i forgot shell |
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| 19:33.44 | kblin | GIMP|Death: np, we try to keep this to a callback-based push system instead of having people poll ;) |
| 19:33.45 | dreamwidth|rah | (by the way, hi everyone, i haven't stopped into #gsoc yet, but i figured i'd come over while at the dedup meeting) |
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| 19:34.27 | Sophira | Hi dreamwidth|rah :) (yes, I'm here too, I wanted to be here) |
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| 19:34.45 | Sophira | It's rather interesting being in a channel with 542 nicks in it... |
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| 19:34.57 | Melange|Lennie | User peak in #gsoc: 843 (20/04/09) |
| 19:35.00 | wine_mlankhorst | dedup is not over for those who ask |
| 19:35.02 | Melange|Lennie | that's what I can remebmer :) |
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| 19:35.08 | scummvm|LordHoto | /names output is long, hu? :-) |
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| 19:35.21 | rockbox|scorche | Melange|Lennie: i swore i set a factoid for that... |
| 19:35.25 | rockbox|scorche | !peak |
| 19:35.25 | socinfo | "peak" is Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 19:35.32 | Melange|Lennie | hehe even more nice :) |
| 19:35.36 | rockbox|scorche | =) |
| 19:35.45 | dreamwidth|rah | hee. #dreamwidth usually runs around 50-60 nicks |
| 19:35.58 | bawr | Hm. Discordianism vs FSM? Python vs Perl? (Okay, less perpetual.) C vs C++? Lisp vs everyone? I think you've got it covered, really. ;) |
| 19:36.07 | dreamwidth|rah | it's a good thing i don't mind public speaking. ;) |
| 19:36.11 | dho_plan9 | We're at like 89 right now. |
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| 19:36.43 | thebolt | bawr: vim vs emacs ;) |
| 19:36.53 | dho_plan9 | nvi vs. vim |
| 19:36.54 | dreamwidth|rah | dude, vigor all the way |
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| 19:36.55 | bawr | thebolt: Nah, he covered that. |
| 19:37.07 | bawr | dho_plan9++ |
| 19:37.09 | dreamwidth|rah | bawr: she actually :) |
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| 19:37.14 | smtms | why the duplication detection algorithm is so slow? |
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| 19:37.35 | bawr | Blame it on BigTable. And solar flares. |
| 19:37.35 | rockbox|scorche | patches welcome, im sure |
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| 19:37.46 | bawr | dreamwidth|rah: I stand corrected. |
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| 19:37.48 | dho_plan9 | Because it has to iterate over 5,000+ apps and AppEngine is slow for whatever it does. |
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| 19:37.52 | dojotoolkit|tk | smtms: you try doing all that in your head... you act like google has a million servers or something at their disposal :P |
| 19:38.09 | Melange|Lennie | well, on Google Servers it would be easier then on Appengine :) |
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| 19:38.15 | dreamwidth|rah | bawr: s'ok! it's that 2% thing, statistically speaking you were more likely to be correct |
| 19:38.16 | Sophira | uses vim herself. |
| 19:38.19 | Melange|Lennie | I'm sure MapReduce can do wonderous things |
| 19:38.24 | thebolt | Melange|Lennie: :) |
| 19:38.47 | rockbox|scorche | it is on AppEngine so it can be open source...if it was on google servers directly, it would have lots of google-specific bits |
| 19:38.51 | bawr | I have yet to find an editor I would truly like. |
| 19:39.11 | dreimark | danderson: the project name and my nick together is too long |
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| 19:40.06 | bawr | dreimark: I am truly glad this didn't devolve into another pronoun discussion, #gsoc has seen one too many. ;) |
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| 19:40.21 | smtms | bawr, "I have yet to write an editor I would truly like." |
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| 19:40.31 | bawr | And tab-completion failed me again. |
| 19:40.43 | kblin | Git|SRabbelier: git|spearce said so |
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| 19:40.49 | kblin | Git|SRabbelier: and chatter in here ;) |
| 19:40.49 | dreimark | PSF|Arc: thomas is offline |
| 19:40.52 | allad | #gsoc-dedup |
| 19:41.31 | OSGeo|aghisla | python vs. pardus. Nice. |
| 19:41.40 | bawr | smtms: I did say my secret dream is to pull a Knuth on editors, didn't I? Disappear for 20 years, come back with a holy grail of editing. ;) |
| 19:41.57 | minix3|straydawg | bawr: pull a knuth, nice concept |
| 19:41.59 | Git|SRabbelier | kblin: *mutters* |
| 19:42.15 | dreamwidth|rah | (speaking of pronouns, it's weird being in a channel where the gender balance is flipped back to mostly male) |
| 19:42.20 | kblin | Git|SRabbelier: not my fault if you show up late to the party |
| 19:42.28 | minix3|straydawg | http://xkcd.com/163/ fwiw |
| 19:42.43 | bawr | minix3|straydawg: yeah, he deserves some linguisting props for his Tex side-project. |
| 19:42.49 | minix3|straydawg | bawr: indeed so |
| 19:42.50 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: do you usually hang out on esper.net's #lothlorien channel? |
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| 19:43.17 | dreamwidth|rah | kblin: #dreamwidth here, we're 65-75% women on the dev team |
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| 19:43.27 | Git|SRabbelier | kblin: it is not, but I thought we had already resolved this issue via email |
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| 19:43.44 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: let me google that project |
| 19:43.57 | osuosl|gchaix | is there anyone from Pardus here? |
| 19:44.09 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: interesting demographics :) |
| 19:44.23 | osuosl|gchaix | If so, you're being paged for a dedupe |
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| 19:45.57 | bawr | minix3|straydawg: So basically yeah, now that you know, lodge "pull a Knuth on X" somewhere in your brain and use it the next chance you get. Kinda specific, but what the hell. |
| 19:45.57 | kblin | Git|SRabbelier: not required |
| 19:46.11 | kblin | Git|SRabbelier: shouldn't you like know that? |
| 19:46.14 | Git|SRabbelier | kblin: ah, right, that's only for the slot allocation algorithm |
| 19:46.19 | dreamwidth|rah | kblin: we're a code fork of livejournal.com, been running about two years now. started off at around-about 60/40 male/female, but we've brought in so many newcomers and the majority of them are women |
| 19:46.37 | minix3|straydawg | bawr: yes, it's a good (succinct) phrasing, and the meaning is crystal clear with the slightest context, hence my appreciation :) |
| 19:46.57 | dreamwidth|rah | it's really kind of awesome, our users are starting to really get used to "oh, hey, i want this fixed, let me try it out" even if they've never programmed before |
| 19:47.20 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: I hope you'll come to the mentor summit and tell all those people whining about not having women in their communities how it's done :) |
| 19:47.25 | marti1125 | who sent his proposal owncloud |
| 19:48.01 | marti1125 | who speak spanish? |
| 19:48.05 | Sanva | me |
| 19:48.10 | dberkholz | marcheu: xorg's up to 5 slots now. was that intended after discussion w/ bart? |
| 19:48.15 | dreamwidth|rah | kblin: we're speaking at web 2.0 expo and oscon |
| 19:48.22 | marcheu | dberkholz: yes |
| 19:48.30 | marti1125 | sanva, hola |
| 19:48.32 | marcheu | dberkholz: and now we're happy campers |
| 19:48.43 | dberkholz | marcheu: ok, cool. i wanted to make sure you didn't get double-slots from gentoo somehow, since there was some weirdness on our reallocations |
| 19:49.03 | rajat | dreamwidth|rah: did it ever occur to include tags for you org? |
| 19:49.27 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: ah, won't make to either of them, even without volcanoes acting up again |
| 19:49.29 | dreamwidth|rah | kblin: i'm pretty sure we'll do the mentor summit too, i'm in baltimore but my co-owner (who's the tech lead and usually the one handling these meetings) is in the bay area |
| 19:49.39 | jmagerh | martil1125: me |
| 19:49.47 | dreamwidth|rah | rajat: i didn't handle that part of the signup! |
| 19:50.05 | kblin | dreamwidth|rah: great |
| 19:50.05 | thebolt | dreamwidth|rah: baltimore is no distance to travel to mentor summit .P |
| 19:50.15 | rajat | dreamwidth|rah: make sure you point me to whoever did |
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| 19:50.44 | dreamwidth|rah | rajat: i just added some |
| 19:51.03 | marcheu | dberkholz: well I can't tell its provenance, but we certainly expected one from Bart, yes |
| 19:51.13 | dberkholz | ok. |
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| 19:52.02 | rajat | dreamwidth|rah: lol, wish that had happened earlier and i wouldnt have overlooked it. keeping an eye on your org next year |
| 19:52.20 | dreamwidth|rah | we'd love to have you come contribute with us! |
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| 19:52.39 | dreamwidth|rah | our channel is #dreamwidth |
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| 19:53.17 | ianmcorvidae | I, too, unfortunately looked past you guys (and then learned about you from Deb Nicholson from the FSF later, when she came to give a talk on women and FOSS) |
| 19:53.20 | dreamwidth|rah | we have a pretty good mentoring system already set up in a non-GSOC framework, and one of the cool things we do is offer hosted development environments, so people don't have to build their own LAMP dev server if they don't have it avilable |
| 19:53.39 | dreamwidth|rah | (Sophira actually runs that project) |
| 19:53.40 | ianmcorvidae | but I may come contribute anyway :) we'll see what happens with my summer otherwise |
| 19:53.50 | Sophira | o/ |
| 19:54.03 | dreamwidth|rah | but yeah, we'd really love to have anybody who wants to join |
| 19:54.16 | Sophira | Seriously, the hosted development environment thing has been one of the best things we've done. |
| 19:54.24 | dreamwidth|rah | if you want to create an account on dreamwidth.org itself you can use this link: https://www.dreamwidth.org/create?code=summerofcode10 |
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| 19:54.42 | dreamwidth|rah | (the service is using invites right now to cut down on spam/create a network effect) |
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| 19:55.24 | kblin | Sophira: what's tat about? |
| 19:55.35 | kblin | *that |
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| 19:56.20 | dreamwidth|rah | the dreamwidth code is kind of gnarly to install, since it's a 10-year-old legacy-perl codebase with dependencies hell |
| 19:56.25 | Sophira | kblin: http://hack.dreamwidth.net/ explains about it. Essentially, we know that the code isn't terribly easy to install for a lot of people, especially beginning devs. |
| 19:56.40 | bxyahoo | hi all |
| 19:56.42 | kblin | ah |
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| 19:56.50 | CrystalSpace|Xor | very pink |
| 19:56.53 | dberkholz | dreamwidth|rah: that's why package management was invented =) |
| 19:56.59 | dreamwidth|rah | so, we rent a machine from slicehost for like $250 a month and give people their own sandbox pre-installed |
| 19:57.16 | Sophira | kblin: So we have a VDS set up with everything set up already, and new deployments take only 5 minutes to install via an automatic script. |
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| 19:57.26 | dreamwidth|rah | people send sophira an email and they're hacking 10 minutes later :) |
| 19:57.48 | Sophira | Well, not necessarily 10 minutes, it depends on when I see my email ;p |
| 19:57.57 | kblin | nice idea |
| 19:58.15 | kblin | pity that doesn't work for all kinds of software |
| 19:58.44 | dreamwidth|rah | yeah, seriously. it was the best idea we had, hands down. |
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| 19:59.04 | Sophira | And I have plans to make it even better, too. |
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| 19:59.46 | dreamwidth|rah | that plus a policy of logging everything as a bug no matter how small, so there's always good beginner fodder that's well-labeled, means that people can get started really quickly |
| 20:00.37 | Sophira | Oh yes. |
| 20:01.02 | freenet|toad | dreamwidth|rah: nice one |
| 20:01.20 | dreamwidth|rah | we also make it really clear that people who are just starting out are explicitly welcome |
| 20:01.41 | dreamwidth|rah | our motto is "it doesn't matter, we'll teach you" :) |
| 20:01.47 | marti1125 | someone of KDE?? |
| 20:01.49 | dojotoolkit|tk | Sophira: setup an exim filter to fire off the script and you can just send a quick email from your phone to set them up then :P (that is of course if your email hits your phone too) :P |
| 20:02.06 | Nightrose | marti1125: yes |
| 20:02.08 | Nightrose | wasup? |
| 20:02.12 | rajat | this channel was just taken over by dreamwidth ladies |
| 20:02.17 | dreamwidth|rah | so we're getting a lot of people who always wanted to learn programming but never had time/reason/support |
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| 20:02.38 | Nightrose | dreamwidth|rah: rock on btw - very cool stuff you're doing |
| 20:02.45 | dreamwidth|rah | thanks! |
| 20:02.56 | marti1125 | Nightrose, i send mi proposal |
| 20:02.59 | marti1125 | :_D |
| 20:02.59 | dreamwidth|rah | we gave a presentation at linux.conf.au about some of it, let me dig up the slides ... |
| 20:03.17 | Nightrose | dreamwidth|rah: we're doing well wrt women in kde but not quite as good as you :D |
| 20:03.21 | dreamwidth|rah | http://www.slideshare.net/dreamwidth/build-your-own-contributors-one-part-at-a-time |
| 20:03.22 | Sophira | dojotoolkit|tk: To be honest, it's just as easy for me to do it the way I'm doing at the moment, and I prefer having a full-sized terminal :D |
| 20:03.36 | Nightrose | marti1125: cool - i probably read it then |
| 20:03.45 | dreamwidth|rah | nightrose: i think all positive movement in that direction is good! |
| 20:03.45 | marti1125 | Nightrose, thank you :D |
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| 20:04.03 | dojotoolkit|tk | Sophira: I like having options that dont rely on terminal access :P |
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| 20:04.20 | kblin | rockbox|scorche: ahrg, a popup beat me to it |
| 20:04.34 | kblin | shakes his fist at kde |
| 20:04.36 | rockbox|scorche | kblin: mark a check on my column |
| 20:04.46 | dreamwidth|rah | we were seriously surprised at how our gender composition shook out. we really eren't expecting it. but it's kinda cool :) |
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| 20:04.57 | Sophira | Kirrily Roberts gave a presentation that focused on us and AO3 - the Archive Of Our Own - as two F/OSS projects that are composed mostly of women, and why that was the case. |
| 20:05.19 | CrystalSpace|Xor | skip to the end, why was it the case? |
| 20:05.31 | CrystalSpace|Xor | (seriously curious) |
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| 20:06.04 | Sophira | Well, I think one of the things she says sums it up personally. |
| 20:06.09 | Blender|LetterRi | Sophira: the color choices for website? <ducks> |
| 20:06.10 | Sophira | "If you're working on a desktop app, recruit desktop users. If you\u2019re writing a music sharing toolkit, recruit music lovers. Don\u2019t worry about their programming skills. You can teach programming; you can\u2019t teach passion or diversity." |
| 20:06.13 | Nightrose | kblin: awww why are you shaking your fist at us? |
| 20:06.16 | Nightrose | is jurt |
| 20:06.19 | Sophira | Er. |
| 20:06.19 | Sophira | s/\\u2019/'/g |
| 20:06.19 | Nightrose | *hurt |
| 20:06.49 | dreamwidth|rah | CrystalSpace|Xor: it's a lot of different factors, but IMO it has to do with explicitly fostering collaboration, not competiton, and making an environment where 'stupid' questions are OK |
| 20:07.11 | kblin | Nightrose: because the "what do you want to do with the dvd you just popped into the drive" pop-up made me slower than rockbox|scorche on muting gsoc-dedup |
| 20:07.17 | dojotoolkit|tk | Sophira: makes sense actually |
| 20:07.26 | dreamwidth|rah | since a lot of women have been so discouraged from programming through a lot of factors, so there needs to be that extra little nudge |
| 20:07.26 | Nightrose | kblin: lol ok |
| 20:07.28 | Nightrose | sorry |
| 20:07.29 | Nightrose | :D |
| 20:07.50 | Nightrose | dreamwidth|rah: or just never encouraged |
| 20:07.59 | dreamwidth|rah | yeah, exactly |
| 20:07.59 | Sophira | dojotoolkit|tk: It totally does. You'd be surprised though at how many people think programmers are born that way. |
| 20:08.17 | CrystalSpace|Xor | When I was at uni, there were something like 5 girls in our class of 120. |
| 20:08.22 | dreamwidth|rah | so in a lot of cases all it takes is saying "yes! you can TOTALLY do this, come on, we'll show you" |
| 20:08.36 | dreamwidth|rah | i'm a case in point actually, i was originally the business manager of the project |
| 20:08.41 | CrystalSpace|Xor | Guess that doesn't help the no. of people coding for their job either |
| 20:09.00 | mkarnicki | CrystalSpace|Xor: at the uni I have studied before, there were 2 out of 120 girls ;) |
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| 20:09.13 | dreamwidth|rah | still am, but i got lured into trying a few really easy fixes and, uh, a year and a half later i'm #4 most active contributor :) |
| 20:09.13 | mkarnicki | *I meant 2 girls out of 120 students |
| 20:09.14 | dojotoolkit|tk | Sophira: well, some more or less are, but its definitely a teachable too -- we have a handful of women in our project, some of them actually work on the worst stuff for JS/web projects (a11y (not a person) being one of them) |
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| 20:09.40 | dreamwidth|rah | oh, good on you for caring about accessibility! |
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| 20:09.58 | dreamwidth|rah | so few people do, and the ones who do often don't know what they should be doing |
| 20:10.04 | dojotoolkit|tk | dreamwidth|rah: the first JS toolkit with full a11y support (in our base widgets) |
| 20:10.12 | thiago_home | CrystalSpace|Xor: 11 in 210 for me :-) |
| 20:10.15 | CrystalSpace|Xor | At my RL job there seems to be 3 women who aren't HR out of 700 people. |
| 20:10.25 | CrystalSpace|Xor | I've only seen 3 anyway |
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| 20:10.32 | dreamwidth|rah | dojotoolkit|tk: that utterly rocks. |
| 20:10.40 | dojotoolkit|tk | dreamwidth|rah: also supports i10n :) |
| 20:10.47 | dojotoolkit|tk | still working on more languages though :P |
| 20:10.49 | Sophira | dreamwidth|rah: Oh wow, is that something we could use? |
| 20:11.00 | dreamwidth|rah | hee, i was just googling for it |
| 20:11.32 | dojotoolkit|tk | dreamwidth|rah: what are you using (if anything) for clientside now? |
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| 20:11.45 | Sophira | jQuery, to an extent. |
| 20:11.59 | Sophira | But it's not globally used. |
| 20:12.00 | dreamwidth|rah | yeah, it's mostly homegrown stuff built over years |
| 20:12.11 | dreamwidth|rah | (see also: forked from livejournal, 10-year-old legacy codebase) |
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| 20:12.39 | dreamwidth|rah | but we're doing a lot of cleanup/modernization |
| 20:12.40 | marti1125 | Excuse me is here, Frank Karlitschek |
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| 20:12.56 | Nightrose | he is not online at the moment |
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| 20:13.01 | Nightrose | what do you need from him? |
| 20:13.20 | dreamwidth|rah | dojotoolkit|tk: thank you for the pointer, i will totally pass it along to the dw-dev community |
| 20:13.30 | Sophira | Oh, this is the other thing about Dreamwidth that makes it rock for beginning devs; lots of our devs have used LiveJournal for a long time and have their own itches about little bugs in the LJ experience that they've had to work around for years, and now we give them the opportunity to fix those in DW. |
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| 20:13.34 | marti1125 | Nightrose, thank you |
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| 20:13.58 | dojotoolkit|tk | dreamwidth|rah: I'd be happy answer any questions yall may have regarding it -- always love to see more adoption :) (expecially project based) |
| 20:14.01 | ianmcorvidae | oh man, that makes a lot of sense. and livejournal brings in everyone (and everyone has their itches, lol) |
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| 20:14.16 | Sophira | There is nothing better than having your first bug be fixing something that bugged the hell out of you for years, especially as you know lots of other people would have had the same itch. |
| 20:14.19 | marti1125 | Nightrose, about me proposal |
| 20:14.27 | marti1125 | I'm nervous |
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| 20:14.31 | Sophira | The number of little things we've fixed is huge, and it all adds up. |
| 20:14.42 | Nightrose | marti1125: heh all students probably are at this point |
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| 20:14.45 | dreamwidth|rah | dojotoolkit|tk: i've posted to the dw-dev community! we also have an accessibility project team (dw-accessibility.dreamwidth.org) |
| 20:14.52 | ianmcorvidae | five days *crosses fingers* |
| 20:14.56 | dreamwidth|rah | a lot of our users use assistive tech of some sort |
| 20:15.00 | ianmcorvidae | (i.e. Nightrose: yeah.) |
| 20:15.08 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 20:15.23 | Nightrose | take a deep breath and have a cookie |
| 20:15.26 | Nightrose | it'll all be fine |
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| 20:15.30 | Git|SRabbelier | cookie! |
| 20:15.36 | dreamwidth|rah | i'm a part time wheelchair user, our lead a11y programmer does nearly entirely voice interaction, we have a bunch of screenreader users, etc |
| 20:15.44 | marti1125 | ok :D |
| 20:15.51 | ianmcorvidae | that would be a great idea, except I'd probably have to make the cookies ;) |
| 20:15.54 | Nightrose | and even if you don't get accepted there are programs similar to gsoc that you can take part in |
| 20:15.59 | adimania | takes cookies from Nightrose and is looking for some milk :) |
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| 20:16.09 | dreamwidth|rah | i have cookie dough to share! |
| 20:16.12 | Nightrose | milk with your cookies? |
| 20:16.14 | Nightrose | ohnoes |
| 20:16.15 | Nightrose | :D |
| 20:16.20 | Nightrose | dreamwidth|rah: yay! |
| 20:16.26 | dreamwidth|rah | http://omnomnom.dreamwidth.org/56375.html |
| 20:16.37 | dreamwidth|rah | edible-raw chocolate chip cookie dough |
| 20:16.50 | marti1125 | wich programs similar to gsoc |
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| 20:17.03 | exor674 | rah; I am so getting the ingredients for that today |
| 20:17.06 | Nightrose | dreamwidth|rah: ah damn you - now i need to go shopping tomorrow... |
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| 20:17.07 | Nightrose | :D |
| 20:17.08 | adimania | Nightrose has SoK under the hood for those who don't make it to GSoC |
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| 20:17.15 | Nightrose | ;-) right |
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| 20:17.32 | Nightrose | there's also something being worked on at fedora |
| 20:17.43 | Nightrose | but of course i'm biased and think SoK is cooler |
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| 20:17.57 | dojotoolkit|tk | dreamwidth|rah: you would love to talk with our a11y person (Becky Gibson) from IBM... she does entire conf presentations using a11y software :P (she stands up there and switches screens heh) |
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| 20:18.03 | Nightrose | you even get a tshirt and certificate! |
| 20:18.15 | adimania | I can give update on Fedora if anyone wants. |
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| 20:18.46 | eocampos | !logs |
| 20:18.46 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:19.10 | adimania | SoK is cool :) I am a fedora ambassador though! |
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| 20:20.16 | CrystalSpace|Xor | Summer of Kode? :P |
| 20:20.26 | mayanks43 | :-* |
| 20:20.52 | adimania | Season of KDE actually |
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| 20:21.27 | wine_mlankhorst | restore topic please? |
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| 20:22.26 | kblin | wine_mlankhorst: you broke it, you go fix it |
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| 20:22.34 | *** topic/#gsoc by Lennie -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Accepted student applications announced on April 26 - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
| 20:22.38 | kblin | :) |
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| 20:22.45 | Lennie | happy now :)? |
| 20:22.54 | wine_mlankhorst | ty |
| 20:22.58 | wine_mlankhorst | !forget dup |
| 20:22.58 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 20:23.03 | wine_mlankhorst | !search *dup* |
| 20:23.03 | socinfo | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 20:23.10 | wine_mlankhorst | !find *dup* |
| 20:23.10 | socinfo | Error: "find" is not a valid command. |
| 20:23.17 | wine_mlankhorst | damned bot |
| 20:23.23 | kblin | wine_mlankhorst: query, dammit! |
| 20:23.25 | carlasouza | wine_mlankhorst: its !dedup |
| 20:23.26 | kblin | !botabuse |
| 20:23.26 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 20:23.30 | freedroid|jkwood | !forget dedup |
| 20:23.30 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:23.34 | rajat | !dedup |
| 20:23.34 | socinfo | Error: "dedup" is not a valid command. |
| 20:23.34 | carlasouza | =) |
| 20:23.37 | rajat | :) |
| 20:23.42 | kblin | bad mlankhorst, no cookie! |
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| 20:25.45 | j-b | !next |
| 20:25.45 | socinfo | "next" is Student applications are closed. Be ready to respond to comments on and about your proposal. Accepted student proposals will be announced at http://socghop.appspot.com on April 26: 19:00 UTC. |
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| 20:26.47 | Nightrose | smuggles a cookie to mlankhorst behind kblin's back |
| 20:27.05 | Nightrose | denying cookies is bad mkay? |
| 20:27.29 | Lennie | time to do the dishes now :P |
| 20:27.30 | Lennie | ttyal |
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| 20:27.37 | mlankhorst | nom nom nom |
| 20:27.37 | Nightrose | cya Lennie |
| 20:27.40 | mlankhorst | Nightrose: ty :D |
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| 20:30.25 | bxyahoo | hi all |
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| 20:30.32 | bxyahoo | abt gsoc time line |
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| 20:30.37 | bxyahoo | by this time |
| 20:30.44 | bxyahoo | wil the orgs |
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| 20:31.01 | bxyahoo | have decided the students they need for gsoc ?? |
| 20:31.03 | marti1125 | me voy a comer algo |
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| 20:31.50 | gcl | I've done some work with my student to refine his proposal. Does the proposal text need to be updated to reflect changes before the project list is announced on Monday? |
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| 20:32.11 | Ivanovic | gcl: it is impossible to update the proposal text at the moment anyway |
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| 20:32.17 | Ivanovic | gcl: you can only leave comments |
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| 20:32.42 | gcl | Ivanovic: okay, thanks. That's what we did. I just didn't know if I needed to do more. |
| 20:32.44 | Ivanovic | but yeah, before you accept a student you *really* should have a good idea about the proposal |
| 20:32.53 | Ivanovic | since you "hire" the student based on the proposal |
| 20:32.57 | gcl | :-) |
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| 20:40.46 | jkwood | bxyahoo: The student assignments will be available on the 26th. No sooner. |
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| 20:41.17 | bxyahoo | hi, |
| 20:41.36 | bxyahoo | by this time qil the orgs finalize the student they wanna select? |
| 20:41.49 | SRabbelier | bxyahoo: yes, that has been completed |
| 20:41.52 | bxyahoo | by this time will the orgs finalize the student they wanna select? |
| 20:41.58 | jkwood | Less enter key, more content. |
| 20:42.11 | bxyahoo | sorry. |
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| 20:43.00 | bxyahoo | ok, is it ok to ask any mentor abt if student is selected or not in this period? |
| 20:43.41 | rajat | its ok to ask |
| 20:43.43 | movicont | bxyahoo: I don't think they' |
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| 20:43.46 | rajat | only its not ok for them to tell |
| 20:43.50 | jkwood | Depends on the organization. |
| 20:44.20 | movicont | jkwood: really? |
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| 20:44.47 | emmanuelp | jkwood: how so? are some orgs allowed to discuss with studentd if they were picked or not? |
| 20:44.47 | Ophiuchi | bxyahoo: they can't give you a binding answer. Google does the offer, and Google could decide they won't take students with an 'a' in their name this year .. although that specific scenario is not terribly likely |
| 20:45.13 | jkwood | If you, for example, were waiting on the GSoC assignment to decide whether to take an internship for the summer and needed to know before the 26th, I'd be more considerate of telling. |
| 20:45.41 | jkwood | I might, on the other hand, decide to vote your application down because you were bugging me. |
| 20:45.51 | jkwood | And, as mentioned, it's really Google's decision. |
| 20:46.16 | emmanuelp | sigh, need to find a hobby for the next 5 days |
| 20:46.26 | rajat | jkwood: +1 |
| 20:46.30 | tk | jkwood: lets go with S since its more common and see how many people that would knock out :P |
| 20:46.49 | Ophiuchi | emmanuelp: get your laundry done, you might be too busy doing that afterwards ,-P |
| 20:46.57 | bxyahoo | emmanuelp, +1 :) |
| 20:47.01 | akshay07b | nervous 5 days |
| 20:47.09 | samuell | Got a question: If I think I need to resign as a student, is it better for the mentoring organisation to know that before the 26th? |
| 20:47.16 | emmanuelp | hehe, you're probably right |
| 20:47.31 | kblin | samuell: yes |
| 20:47.36 | jkwood | samuell: Definitely. |
| 20:47.40 | akshay07b | yup |
| 20:47.52 | kblin | if you quit after the 26th, the org will lose a slot |
| 20:48.01 | jkwood | emmanuelp: Submit patches to the project you applied to. That's both useful and ingratiating. |
| 20:48.02 | samuell | kblin, jkwood: Ok, thanks |
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| 20:48.17 | samuell | That's, what I needed to know. |
| 20:48.55 | emmanuelp | jkwood: well there's no project yet but I already kickstarted, took care of the basics and sent the code to the org |
| 20:49.07 | emmanuelp | I guess I should keep going |
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| 20:50.09 | svuorela | emmanuelp: and you might still be able to work on the project even if you don't get a slot. |
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| 20:51.19 | emmanuelp | svuorela: Yes, I am considering that too, I would not be able to spend as much time on it because I would probably get a job, but I would definitely contribute |
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| 20:52.16 | Arthurus | hi, i ve a question : I m a student, but i didn t understand the interest of the area "resign as student" !! could you explain me please |
| 20:52.18 | svuorela | I guess that's expected|accepted |
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| 20:53.48 | Ivanovic | Arthurus: you hit this button if you want to drop out |
| 20:53.49 | jkwood | Arthurus: If you for some reason can't fulfill your commitment as a student this summer, you should use that to let your mentoring organization know before the 26th so they don't have a wasted slot. |
| 20:54.08 | Ivanovic | that is: if you do want to participate: DO NOT CLICK THIS BUTTON!!! |
| 20:54.10 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:54.14 | jkwood | Don't use it if you don't fit that criteria. |
| 20:54.33 | Arthurus | alright !! thank's all |
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| 20:56.39 | SRabbelier | Arthurus: please help us understand; what did you think the button meant? |
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| 21:03.23 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, resign sounds similar to re-sign; which could mean "sign-in again" or "sign (agree to) this again" |
| 21:03.41 | SRabbelier | nirbheek: point |
| 21:03.46 | SRabbelier | nirbheek: idea's for a better one? |
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| 21:03.55 | movicont | "quit"? |
| 21:03.59 | smtms | is there a confirmation dialog when you click on it? |
| 21:04.11 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, nothing that immediately comes to mind |
| 21:04.14 | downeym | http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=resign |
| 21:04.46 | SRabbelier | movicont: you quite a game/program when you want to leave for now, it's not permanent engouh |
| 21:05.16 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, "Withdraw as a student" ? |
| 21:05.37 | SRabbelier | nirbheek: hmm, that does sound better |
| 21:05.43 | nirbheek | or "Withdraw from gsoc" or similar |
| 21:05.52 | downeym | "Withdraw this proposal" |
| 21:06.06 | jkwood | Any of those is going to be mainly confusing to non-native English speakers. |
| 21:06.06 | aghisla | Exit definitely from SoC <year> |
| 21:06.47 | jkwood | I'm 99% certain there's no clear way to expres it without writing a paragraph. |
| 21:06.53 | jkwood | *express |
| 21:06.54 | aghisla | a confirmation dialog with a longer explanation will be ok then |
| 21:07.07 | nirbheek | jkridner, a paragraph might end up being more confusing too :) |
| 21:07.11 | Gendalia | "remove yourself from gsoc 2010 permanently" |
| 21:07.16 | movicont | is there currently no confirmation dialog? |
| 21:07.19 | jkwood | nirbheek: Not if I wrote it. |
| 21:07.24 | Gendalia | dunno, not going to try it and find out. |
| 21:07.35 | movicont | yeah, same |
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| 21:08.01 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, I think hiding it deep inside some links might reduce accidents |
| 21:08.09 | nirbheek | ie, not having it "handy" in the side-bar |
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| 21:08.29 | movicont | agreed with nirbheek |
| 21:08.33 | SRabbelier | movicont: there is |
| 21:08.58 | aghisla | +1 from me too for deeping the link e.g. in profile page |
| 21:09.01 | movicont | SRabbelier: ah, that definitely lessens the problem of accidental clicking |
| 21:09.29 | SRabbelier | movicont: I don't think it's accidental clicks, it's people who don't know what it means purposefully clicking it |
| 21:09.35 | SRabbelier | adding more text won't fix anything |
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| 21:09.40 | SRabbelier | people don't read |
| 21:09.46 | SRabbelier | and they always press yes on dialogs |
| 21:09.53 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, would also reduce misunderstandings; if people really want to resign/withdraw; they'll figure it out, or ask someone |
| 21:10.02 | aghisla | s/people/people used to wizard installers/ :P |
| 21:10.07 | Arthurus | SRabbelier : it was really unclear for me, I tough that if I signed up as a mentor, by this button I can change my situation to become student |
| 21:10.21 | Arthurus | I know, it s stupid, but this was my idea about this button |
| 21:10.29 | rahaeli | "leave GSOC permanently" is probably the most concise i'd think would be not-easily-misunderstood |
| 21:10.44 | jkwood | Except that's not clear either. |
| 21:10.47 | SRabbelier | Arthurus: it's the other way around |
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| 21:11.06 | jkwood | Because you can resign this year and re-apply next year. |
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| 21:11.45 | movicont | how about "delete entire GSoC application"? |
| 21:11.46 | rahaeli | yeah :/ |
| 21:12.03 | Arthurus | SRabbelier : yeah, now I understand it ;) |
| 21:12.21 | jkwood | In the end, we can dance around this all day long by changing words, or we can accept the possibility that some people are going to use it anyway despite not knowing what it really means. |
| 21:12.29 | rahaeli | then maybe a modified version of nirbheek's one suggestion, "withdraw from gsoc <year>" |
| 21:13.01 | nirbheek | jkwood, right; then maybe we should hide it so that people don't get a chance to misunderstand it ;) |
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| 21:14.09 | jkwood | I had to reinstate a student application when they accidentally withdrew their proposal. I'm not about to ask for more confirmation dialog from Melange, though, because there's a way to fix it already in place. |
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| 21:14.51 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, my opinion is this: since resigning is not a commonly-done task; it shouldn't be grouped together with common tasks and placed in the side-bar |
| 21:15.00 | jkwood | nirbheek: No, because then a student can't figure out how to resign, they don't get hold of us until the 27th, and my organization loses that slot. No thank you. |
| 21:15.09 | SRabbelier | nirbheek: any suggestions on where it should go? |
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| 21:15.24 | SRabbelier | jkwood: they can still widthraw their proposal without resigning |
| 21:15.29 | Migi32 | so, if I didn't get a mail by now, I haven't been selected? |
| 21:15.46 | dberkholz | Migi32: see /topic |
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| 21:15.49 | JSund | Migi32: the announcement will be on the 26th |
| 21:15.51 | Migi32 | srry |
| 21:16.10 | SRabbelier | Migi32: if you haven't learned to read by now ... :P |
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| 21:16.28 | aghisla | 3..2..1.. |
| 21:16.33 | aghisla | night people |
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| 21:16.42 | harlan | The topic is truncated on my screen... |
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| 21:17.26 | jkwood | harlan: /topic |
| 21:17.26 | harlan | That's me being subtle about "Don't make assumptions" |
| 21:17.40 | SRabbelier | harlan: surely at least part of the first part ("Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Accepted student applications announced on April 26") is visible? |
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| 21:17.53 | harlan | Yes, I know, but there are folks out there with much less experience with IRC in general, and IRC clients in particular. |
| 21:17.54 | jkwood | That, or get a better client. |
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| 21:18.15 | harlan | SRabbelier: No, I see: "..announced on" |
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| 21:18.45 | Migi32 | ok, then I will rephrase my question: if all mentors must have assigned a student AND outstanding duplicates have been resolved by today, why do we have to wait 5 more days? |
| 21:18.49 | harlan | jkwood: You are still talking about a learning experience, and different people are on different part of that path. |
| 21:19.04 | movicont | Migi32: because not all dups are resolved today |
| 21:19.04 | SRabbelier | Migi32: to allow for things to go wrong? |
| 21:19.09 | SRabbelier | Migi32: for example, two orgs were missing |
| 21:19.14 | jkwood | Migi32: Bus factor. |
| 21:19.16 | SRabbelier | Migi32: so those have to be somehow contacted |
| 21:19.34 | SRabbelier | Migi32: also, additional slots may be allocated |
| 21:19.42 | SRabbelier | Migi32: so just be patient |
| 21:19.51 | harlan | thinks he has been lucky in that his org has had no duplicates in the 3 years' time he's been doing this. |
| 21:20.13 | movicont | harlan, which org are you with? :) |
| 21:20.18 | harlan | NTP |
| 21:20.31 | movicont | cool |
| 21:21.05 | SRabbelier | harlan: indeed you are |
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| 21:24.26 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, the best place I can think of moving the "resign" link is inside the "Edit my $role profile" page; at the bottom; in the row with "Save Changes" "Delete" etc buttons; at the right most edge of the page; and in the form of a (red?) link (not a button) |
| 21:24.38 | smtms | f |
| 21:24.46 | smtms | oops |
| 21:25.24 | nirbheek | SRabbelier, in this, I'm basically invoking the reverse of Fitt's Law |
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| 21:25.56 | ArthurLiu | nirbheek, "please click on this moving pixel to resign" ? |
| 21:26.38 | nirbheek | ArthurLiu, that would totally work as long as the "please click [...]" stuff was in 1px height font ;p |
| 21:26.45 | dberkholz | nirbheek: do you read the coding horror blog? |
| 21:27.04 | nirbheek | dberkholz, people I know link me to it sometimes |
| 21:27.29 | dberkholz | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/03/the-opposite-of-fitts-law.html |
| 21:27.58 | nirbheek | Aha! So that's where I got the idea :) |
| 21:28.33 | movicont | ArthurLiu: here lies a roaming marquee. please use your mouse to kill it, which, by the way, will also kill your application. :) |
| 21:28.40 | SRabbelier | nirbheek: ah, right :) |
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| 21:30.57 | movicont | 19:00 UTC is 12noon PDT, right? |
| 21:35.58 | xb95 | movicont: yes. |
| 21:36.57 | nirbheek | dberkholz, wow, surprising how much my brain assimilated from that page w/o remembering the source |
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| 22:59.11 | movicont | !logs |
| 22:59.12 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:59.35 | BBB | how do I give slots back to google? |
| 22:59.57 | borja | BBB: send an e-mail to Carol |
| 23:00.10 | BBB | still carol? ok - I thought maybe it was someone else since she's stuck in-air |
| 23:00.16 | BBB | thanks |
| 23:00.27 | borja | We're having another deduplication meeting tomorrow at 19:00 UTC |
| 23:00.30 | smtms | stuck in-air? :-) |
| 23:00.45 | borja | So Carol can be there to decide about extra slots |
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| 23:03.48 | Arc | should it be the policy that extra slots cannot be given to students that have already been accepted? |
| 23:04.08 | Arc | because we really need the next 48 hours to sort out our final mentor assignments |
| 23:04.54 | borja | Arc: not sure I understand your policy. How can an accepted student be given an extra slot? |
| 23:05.28 | Arc | if we (PSF) have accepted a student, and another project is given another slot and uses it to approve the same student for their project, a new dup is created |
| 23:05.36 | borja | ah, gotcha |
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| 23:05.52 | borja | well, the problem is it's hard to know if that is the case until the deduplication routine is run |
| 23:06.44 | Arc | when it is run, it'd be nice if the org that already approved the student didnt have to risk losing the student to the org that received an extra slot |
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| 23:07.42 | borja | ah, ok, I was misunderstanding. Yeah, I think it would be sensible to suggest that extra slots that result in a dupe should be resolved in a way that doesn't mess with the org that already accepted a student |
| 23:08.02 | borja | so, going back to your example, the other org should just give the slot to another backup student |
| 23:08.15 | Arc | or lose the slot if they didnt have one |
| 23:08.17 | MatthewWilkes | Arc: I think that's a fair request to make, we've gone through dedupe now. |
| 23:08.22 | borja | yup |
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| 23:13.05 | ruturaj | how do we know whether a mentor has been assigned to my proposal? |
| 23:13.27 | ruturaj | is there any notification? |
| 23:14.38 | killerchicken_ | ruturaj: no. You will need to wait until students are announced on the 26th |
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| 23:15.05 | ruturaj | ok! thanks! |
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| 23:44.33 | marti1125 | ok |
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