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| 00:05.48 | xnox | erlehmann, nah you are ok =) i've just finished forwarding accept email to all relevant people I need to notify ;-) |
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| 00:08.45 | higer | depressed |
| 00:08.57 | Neo-- | xnox, twit it! :D |
| 00:09.19 | xnox | Neo--, well I'm google person so I buzz it =) |
| 00:09.35 | xnox | Neo--, but then my parents gonna find out that I'm up & aware at 1am |
| 00:09.54 | Neo-- | and why is that a problem? :D |
| 00:10.01 | xnox | says my mom become so hi-tech with Google Chrome. She is now on facebook & google buzz & all that jazz |
| 00:10.36 | Neo-- | huh - i keep other members of household on a bit more... tight leash :D |
| 00:10.44 | xnox | Neo--, I've had a pint & I'm not in the mood to have a drunk conversation with my mom as to why I haven't finished my dissertation yet at 1AM in the morning ;-) |
| 00:10.54 | Neo-- | hehe |
| 00:11.11 | xnox | Neo--, well "member of household" are about 1500km away ;-) |
| 00:11.39 | xnox | says damnit this channell is logged publicly |
| 00:11.49 | Neo-- | well... if they are on the east side, they are most surely sleeping at 1am so they wont notice it until its too late :D |
| 00:11.56 | xnox | hopes my mom will not start using IRC. She is quite happy with Skype ;-) |
| 00:12.17 | krejinator123 | if i go to a year-round university, does that mean my hopes of joining gsoc are instantly diminished? |
| 00:12.22 | xnox | Neo--, nah my mom looks at the time & date I post stuff online |
| 00:12.38 | Neo-- | krejinator123, year-round university? |
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| 00:12.42 | xnox | krejinator123, what's "year-round" |
| 00:12.57 | krejinator123 | we go to school all year |
| 00:13.37 | Neo-- | xnox, hehe... well my parents usually dont make a fuss even if i would be up at later hours... |
| 00:13.52 | krejinator123 | the way my university works is we switch back and forth between 3 months of work and 3 months of school, and we do that nonstop all year |
| 00:14.00 | Neo-- | krejinator123, if you can make the schedule and deliver |
| 00:14.06 | ojwb | krejinator123: if you don't have time for ~40 hours/week during the coding period, you'll probably struggle |
| 00:14.14 | xnox | krejinator123, well you are *eligible* but you would struggle |
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| 00:14.53 | krejinator123 | ah all right. i dont really want that then since i dont know how well i'd be able to balance that and my schoolwork. :( thanks though |
| 00:14.53 | ojwb | if you're studying or working full time over that period, it's really not going to work |
| 00:15.56 | Neo-- | o well, time for bed |
| 00:16.05 | Neo-- | cya guys |
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| 00:56.31 | Airwhale | Is it resonable to email mentors of projects you have been rejected from and ask if there is anything I can do to improve my chances for next year? |
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| 00:59.49 | Dark_Shikari | Airwhale: I had one ask me on IRC, and that's fine with me |
| 01:00.13 | mmadia | Some organizations also encourage it. |
| 01:00.34 | Dark_Shikari | Which was annoying, because he was one of two students for which both were extremely good and I was forced to arbitrarily reject one. |
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| 01:23.12 | marti1125 | send my proposal to an idea and not who is going to make |
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| 01:25.49 | robbyoconnor | marti1125: you're making no sense |
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| 01:26.26 | yonij | rahaeli: Hi Sir , are you there ? |
| 01:27.21 | zubin71 | phew! just got the email... i`m in .... wheee! ;-) |
| 01:27.25 | zubin71 | is excited |
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| 01:29.16 | Adola_Lap | Hello! What's all this "Suprise" business? |
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| 01:41.16 | marti1125 | i send my proposal to owncloud, photo gallery, i didnt recieved email |
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| 01:44.04 | ojwb | marti1125: look in the webapp |
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| 01:56.11 | kusum | where to check organisation wise selected students ? |
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| 01:57.35 | marti1125 | ojwb: can you give me url? |
| 01:57.46 | kusum | where to check organisation wise selected students ? |
| 01:58.00 | marti1125 | yes where? |
| 01:58.13 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 |
| 01:58.27 | ojwb | kusum: please don't just keep repeating your question |
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| 01:58.36 | kusum | ojwb: Sorry |
| 01:59.08 | ojwb | that URL may make your browser a bit unhappy though |
| 01:59.15 | kusum | :) |
| 01:59.27 | ojwb | firefox started to swap for me |
| 02:00.02 | kdaks | !next |
| 02:00.02 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) Don't ask me again! JESUS! |
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| 02:02.02 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next 2 |
| 02:02.02 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 02:05.23 | fweisbec | socinfo: I'm your father |
| 02:05.23 | socinfo | Error: "I'm" is not a valid command. |
| 02:05.42 | marti1125 | i have a question, i send me proposal to owncloud gallery photo, is not here |
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| 02:07.55 | Leftmost | Is there a particular reason that not all organization pages show the projects accepted for that organization? |
| 02:08.44 | mmadia | iirc, it's because the projects that lack that list never created a "homepage" document. |
| 02:09.45 | ojwb | slackers... |
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| 02:09.58 | Leftmost | How odd. |
| 02:10.06 | ojwb | if your org doesn't have the list, go and tell them to create a home page document |
| 02:10.21 | ojwb | instructions for how to are in the mentor list archive, if they can't figure it out |
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| 02:13.52 | Leftmost | Heh, more interested in browsing other orgs.:) |
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| 02:23.26 | gento_ | !log |
| 02:23.27 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 02:23.49 | gento_ | !logs |
| 02:23.50 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 02:37.12 | Adola_Lap | Guys, what is this "Surprise"? |
| 02:38.24 | ojwb | Leftmost: well, you can also go and prod other orgs if they haven't created a home page... |
| 02:39.04 | ojwb | Adola_Lap: what surprise? you're the only one to have mentioned it that I've seen... |
| 02:39.34 | diofeher | i saw this in student list too |
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| 02:41.38 | ojwb | shrugs, I'm not on the student list |
| 02:42.20 | ojwb | but if it's to be a surprise, then you'll probably have to wait |
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| 02:45.10 | marti1125 | who speak spanish |
| 02:48.22 | asmeurer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Spanish_is_an_official_language |
| 02:48.36 | asmeurer | ^They do |
| 02:49.07 | marti1125 | :S |
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| 02:53.59 | Adola_Lap | ojwb: Sorry, didn't see your response. I've justed noted it from the various pages. |
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| 03:09.54 | gento_ | how many people apply this year and how the student selected? |
| 03:10.01 | gento_ | the statistic has out? |
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| 03:10.49 | carlasouza | gento_, 1025 students this year :) |
| 03:11.12 | felipevieira | they will post something about that on the blog soon |
| 03:11.38 | gento_ | woo, it is more than last year |
| 03:11.59 | gento_ | 5500 application has received? |
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| 03:14.15 | ojwb | just over |
| 03:15.50 | gento_ | !logds |
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| 03:15.54 | gento_ | !logs |
| 03:15.54 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 03:19.15 | pogo11 | !next |
| 03:19.15 | socinfo | "next" is The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24. |
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| 03:38.22 | sanket | Where's the list of projects org wise ? |
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| 03:49.39 | svaksha | congratulations to all the students accepted into gsoc this year and better luck next time for those who didnt make it :) |
| 03:50.31 | skbohra | thanks |
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| 04:27.56 | thebolt | morning kai |
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| 04:40.29 | marti1125 | somebody speak spanish |
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| 04:43.11 | shevrondeluca | Good morning everyone! |
| 04:43.52 | shevrondeluca | Just a little question. Will there ever be a gsoc in Europe? (Netherlands/Germany) |
| 04:44.01 | thebolt | gsoc is international |
| 04:44.09 | thebolt | people from all over the world is participating |
| 04:44.55 | thebolt | I know several people from both Netherlands and Germany who participate this year :) |
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| 04:46.49 | skbohra | anyone into semantic web ? |
| 04:47.01 | shevrondeluca | thebolt but did i get it right that it's happening in the US? |
| 04:47.03 | marti1125 | anyone into owncloud |
| 04:47.16 | skbohra | marti1125: :D |
| 04:47.25 | marti1125 | skbohra you |
| 04:47.36 | thebolt | shevrondeluca: no, it is happening wherever the student is sitting.. it does not (neccesarily) involve physical proximity or meeting |
| 04:47.56 | skbohra | shevrondeluca: its online |
| 04:47.57 | thebolt | shevrondeluca: just like much open source it is organized and involves pure online collaboration |
| 04:48.12 | shevrondeluca | oh ok. then it didn't get it right ;) |
| 04:48.23 | ojwb | it is better aligned with typical the US university calendar than with that of some other countries though |
| 04:48.32 | shevrondeluca | then my first question could be forgotten :-D |
| 04:48.37 | svaksha | shevrondeluca: you need to have work permits for the country of residence during gsoc |
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| 04:49.05 | nsm | hi, I haven't received the mail about the private mailing list for students yet, is that a problem? |
| 04:49.15 | svaksha | shevrondeluca: the faq covers this |
| 04:49.26 | thebolt | svaksha: well, if you are citizen of any EU country you can work in any other without any extra paperwork, so less of a problem here |
| 04:50.10 | svaksha | thebolt: that too :) |
| 04:50.17 | ojwb | nsm: I'd give it a day or two before worrying |
| 04:50.42 | shevrondeluca | svaksha ja... sorry... i've got to admit that i only skip-read it |
| 04:51.58 | nsm | ojwb: ok thanks |
| 04:52.04 | thebolt | svaksha: i just wish that would be true for more places :P |
| 04:53.15 | mlankhorst | haha |
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| 04:53.48 | mlankhorst | i did that in 2007, no internet for 2 weeks, just a git repo and som games installed to test with at a nice lake in italy :> |
| 04:53.51 | skbohra | for those who couldn't make it to gsoc try gcj |
| 04:54.04 | skbohra | :) |
| 04:55.19 | thebolt | mlankhorst: i did most of my mentoring in 08 sitting by the lake at my parents summer house, 3g mobile internet.. fishing rod next to me and sun shining above :) |
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| 04:55.34 | thebolt | praise modern technology |
| 04:55.40 | mlankhorst | yeah but no internet whatsoever to distract your testing is just win ;P |
| 04:55.53 | mlankhorst | was awesome |
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| 04:56.25 | thebolt | well, when i say 3g i am just hypothetical.. the reception there is so bad you get GPRS at a few kb/s.. EDGE if you are lucky |
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| 04:57.08 | summatusmentis | I spent 2 weeks in 08 doing GSoC in the backseat of my parents car as we road-tripped half-way accross the country to various points |
| 04:57.13 | marti1125 | i send my proposal but ,i did not recieve email |
| 04:57.14 | mlankhorst | I mean, who needs internet if you have a fully checked out git tree ;) |
| 04:57.39 | thebolt | well, time to bike to the station to get to work .. bah |
| 04:57.56 | mlankhorst | did directsound capture support mostly on the way to italy haha |
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| 04:59.24 | marti1125 | hola, |
| 05:00.09 | skbohra | marti1125: please check summer of code website |
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| 05:00.19 | skbohra | marti1125: list of all selected projects is given there |
| 05:00.43 | summatusmentis | makes a mental note to remind himself about filtering the oncoming flood of emails |
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| 05:01.22 | skbohra | thanks summatusmentis for reminding him too |
| 05:01.34 | steev | woot off! |
| 05:01.34 | marti1125 | what happend if this proyect is not here, "owncloud photo gallery" , search yourself |
| 05:02.07 | skbohra | marti1125: that means it didnt get selected |
| 05:02.40 | marti1125 | why? |
| 05:02.48 | mlankhorst | !yes |
| 05:02.49 | socinfo | "yes" is You are going to have a better chance (and more visibility) with mentors over in your desired org(s)'s channels or mailing lists. Have a look around their website for info, use google search, or even just type /join #<org> as many projects have their channels on freenode. |
| 05:02.59 | mlankhorst | we dont know, ask them |
| 05:03.09 | skbohra | because not every project get selected, in general |
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| 05:04.16 | marti1125 | :( |
| 05:04.50 | mlankhorst | could be any number of factors, so ask the kde guys |
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| 05:06.46 | akila87 | Hi!! Does any one know the #of accepted student proposals from each institute ? |
| 05:06.57 | mlankhorst | !acceptance |
| 05:06.57 | socinfo | "acceptance" is You will receive one email per proposal, so you might receive multiple emails saying your proposal did not get accepted, and (at most one) mail saying your proposal got accepted. If one of your proposals got accepted, obviously, you are accepted! |
| 05:07.02 | mlankhorst | er wrong one :P |
| 05:07.04 | mlankhorst | !accepted |
| 05:07.05 | socinfo | "accepted" is Accepted students are listed at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 |
| 05:07.11 | mlankhorst | there ya go |
| 05:07.21 | skbohra | akila87: those statistics comes quite late |
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| 05:07.50 | skbohra | generally at the end of program, iirc |
| 05:09.51 | akila87 | skbohra, thanks :) |
| 05:10.27 | mlankhorst | you can look at orgs youre interested in at that link though |
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| 05:11.15 | skbohra | mlankhorst: i think he meant college/institute wise list |
| 05:11.43 | mlankhorst | hm, could be |
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| 05:15.41 | mlankhorst | !forget acceptance |
| 05:15.41 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:55.48 | maheshs | !stats |
| 06:55.48 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 06:58.25 | robbyoconnor | maheshs: 1,025 students |
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| 06:58.52 | maheshs | Nah, I was looking for yesterday's channel activity. |
| 06:59.03 | maheshs | It was crazy enough I saw :) |
| 06:59.25 | maheshs | 1025 is awesome no! Luckily its me+1024 :D |
| 06:59.44 | robbyoconnor | yehlol |
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| 06:59.53 | robbyoconnor | you better finish |
| 06:59.57 | robbyoconnor | no excuses. |
| 06:59.57 | maheshs | You student/mentor? |
| 07:00.01 | robbyoconnor | Student. |
| 07:00.20 | maheshs | Which project you applied? |
| 07:00.25 | maheshs | Selected? :) |
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| 07:03.45 | robbyoconnor | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/sahanafoundation/t127230768409 |
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| 07:07.45 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:13.53 | ihalip | morning everyone |
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| 07:14.08 | ihalip | do students get removed from google-summer-of-code-discuss mailing list ? |
| 07:14.46 | LawnGnome | ihalip: Nope. |
| 07:15.26 | sploving | google-summer-of-code-discuss mailing list? |
| 07:15.31 | ihalip | oh, perhaps i was signed out at home :) it's ok over here |
| 07:15.39 | ihalip | thanks |
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| 08:08.41 | jmagerh | !logs |
| 08:08.42 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 08:28.00 | kasun | !next |
| 08:28.00 | socinfo | "next" is The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24. |
| 08:29.14 | robbyoconnor | WHY does *EVER& student have do o !next |
| 08:29.18 | robbyoconnor | every time they get here |
| 08:29.22 | robbyoconnor | *EVERY* |
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| 08:29.29 | Dark_Shikari | !next |
| 08:29.29 | socinfo | "next" is The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24. |
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| 08:30.23 | robbyoconnor | karni-android: Community Bonding Period. Coding starts May 24 |
| 08:30.27 | robbyoconnor | no need for !next |
| 08:30.53 | harlan | annag: I have some questions about your survey |
| 08:31.52 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: well, the bot is there to answer such stuff so that you _don't_ have to think about it.. let it do that and think about something more producitve :P |
| 08:32.17 | robbyoconnor | true |
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| 08:33.21 | karni-android | Robby: eee... its me, mkarnicki, first time from the phone robby :) |
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| 08:33.33 | robbyoconnor | HEH |
| 08:33.37 | karni-android | Did i just do !next ? |
| 08:33.41 | robbyoconnor | NO lol |
| 08:33.42 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 08:33.50 | robbyoconnor | pre-emptive strke |
| 08:33.52 | robbyoconnor | strike* |
| 08:34.06 | karni-android | Lol hahhha ;D |
| 08:34.32 | karni-android | Sp u thought i'd do !next xD ? |
| 08:34.41 | karni-android | *so |
| 08:35.05 | karni-android | This AndChat is pretty cool robby :D |
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| 08:35.11 | robbyoconnor | yes it is |
| 08:35.14 | robbyoconnor | it's gotten better |
| 08:35.32 | robbyoconnor | he added logging (finally) |
| 08:35.55 | robbyoconnor | now if the douche adds ignore (he can't envision a an implementation but i can |
| 08:36.20 | karni-android | :) |
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| 08:37.58 | robbyoconnor | he refuses to open source it |
| 08:38.06 | robbyoconnor | I'll even sign a NDA to get what i want |
| 08:38.12 | karni-android | Maybe some day.. |
| 08:38.18 | robbyoconnor | the guy is an idiot |
| 08:38.20 | robbyoconnor | he won't do it |
| 08:38.25 | karni-android | ;D |
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| 08:39.00 | karni-android | I have to head to classes. C u later robby, c ya thebolt |
| 08:39.04 | danderson | so, stop using it |
| 08:39.15 | danderson | if you use it and put up with the crap the author gives you, YDI. |
| 08:39.18 | danderson | just saying. |
| 08:39.22 | robbyoconnor | have fun :) |
| 08:39.28 | karni-android | Tnx |
| 08:39.33 | robbyoconnor | danderson: it's the best client i'm afraid |
| 08:39.49 | robbyoconnor | he made a great program, just ignores feature requests |
| 08:40.06 | robbyoconnor | "It's just gonna be a massive headache to add. Not only |
| 08:40.07 | robbyoconnor | would I have find some way to store ignored nicks efficiently, but |
| 08:40.07 | robbyoconnor | also, there will be overhead from checking each time a message is |
| 08:40.07 | robbyoconnor | sent. Too much hassle to do. " |
| 08:40.07 | danderson | feh. |
| 08:40.13 | robbyoconnor | that was his rationale |
| 08:40.25 | danderson | connectbot and screen running on a remote server |
| 08:40.32 | danderson | that's the best IRC client for android. |
| 08:40.34 | robbyoconnor | he's an idiot i swear |
| 08:40.39 | danderson | and it has other awesome features |
| 08:40.42 | danderson | like being an ssh client |
| 08:40.46 | robbyoconnor | :P |
| 08:41.03 | robbyoconnor | danderson: that was his response |
| 08:41.16 | robbyoconnor | I seriously thought "WTF" |
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| 08:41.54 | robbyoconnor | it's the biggest load of BS i ever heard |
| 08:41.58 | robbyoconnor | the guys lazy plain and simple |
| 08:42.13 | robbyoconnor | </rant> |
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| 08:42.55 | robbyoconnor | Coding starts May 24 |
| 08:43.10 | robbyoconnor | deekay: ^ :) |
| 08:43.34 | deekay | I'm not participating this year. ;p |
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| 08:43.59 | robbyoconnor | why not :) |
| 08:44.11 | deekay | Not enough time, unfortunately. |
| 08:45.23 | deekay | Started classes covering my specialization at my uni, and these are quite demanding actually. |
| 08:45.37 | robbyoconnor | ok |
| 08:45.38 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 08:45.42 | robbyoconnor | adios |
| 08:46.00 | deekay | bye ;) |
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| 09:20.18 | harlan | If I want to post the URL to each of our projects, should I use the "comment view" URL, or is there a better one to use? |
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| 09:31.20 | drt24 | hmm my invite link to the GSoC students list results in: "You cannot view the group's content or participate in the group because you are not currently a member. Membership is invite only. |
| 09:31.25 | drt24 | " |
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| 09:32.23 | maveriick | drt24, I think you along with other students will be bulk added to list soon. |
| 09:32.57 | drt24 | ok. Why the invite email then? |
| 09:33.38 | maveriick | drt24, oops sorry, I thought you said you applied for the group membership... |
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| 09:35.21 | drt24 | No the invite email's link results in a message saying that I am not currently a member and so can't see anything... |
| 09:36.12 | drt24 | wonders whether it is trying to use the email address I gave for gsoc as the address that the subscribe link is valid for... as that is a differnet email address to my google account. |
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| 09:54.04 | ojwb | drt24: probably is |
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| 10:04.35 | aidecoe_ | hello! I've got a little problem with joining to GSoC List at Google Groups. I've got invitation, but clicked on in being signed to another account. I guess it blocked my invitation and that's why I cannot join from account corresponding to email address given in profile in webapp. Can I ask to resend me an invitation? |
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| 10:10.48 | aidecoe_ | and I think it would be better to change e-mail address to @gmail.com before, which would avoid similar problems, should I? :-) |
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| 10:31.16 | fat0ss | what was the selection criteria ? |
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| 10:35.29 | ojwb | fat0ss: if you mean for students, that's up to the org |
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| 10:38.45 | fat0ss | I try to contact the for 2 months .. but no one replied in that period :( |
| 10:39.07 | fat0ss | and still I don't know what I miss |
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| 10:39.27 | ojwb | which org? |
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| 10:40.27 | fat0ss | OpenCV |
| 10:41.24 | ojwb | well, I don't think I know anyone there, so it's hard to say |
| 10:41.37 | ChipX86 | fat0ss: often organizations receive a large number of proposals and some are simply a higher priority in their eyes. They only have so many slots, afterall. It's not always something you did wrong necessarily, though it would have been nice if they got back to you on it |
| 10:41.44 | ojwb | it's not helpful if they just don't respond to interested students though |
| 10:41.56 | ChipX86 | there are many proposals this year that we didn't select in my organization that I would have loved to have if we had the time, man-power, and slots available |
| 10:42.33 | fat0ss | There is no mentor On IRC.. |
| 10:42.52 | fat0ss | they replied very few times on Mailing List |
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| 10:50.30 | ojwb | all I can guess is they had a lot of proposals compared to the mentors they had to read through them |
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| 11:00.16 | pauloricardomg | did the students get an invitation to join the student list already? |
| 11:01.54 | ojwb | pauloricardomg: some seem to have |
| 11:02.12 | ojwb | it may take a while to do 1000 or so invitations though |
| 11:02.23 | sjhor | Yeah I've not been added yet |
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| 11:03.24 | pauloricardomg | ok, tnx :) |
| 11:04.28 | smtms | hmm, I may exceed my e-mail quota when students start the introductions thread |
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| 11:04.41 | aghisla | sounds like first day at Hogwarts :) |
| 11:06.15 | ojwb | thankfully we've been spared that thread on the mentors list this year |
| 11:06.21 | ojwb | and last year I think |
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| 11:59.22 | qw00t | why don't some of the organization pages on melange show the accepted students list? |
| 12:01.10 | ojwb | qw00t: because their admins haven't created a "home page" document |
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| 12:48.27 | Ivanovic | is there a way for accepted students to update the title of their project as well as the abstract? (me as org admin asking since their short abstracts and titles don't always tell casual visitors what the projects are about) |
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| 12:52.30 | kai | Ivanovic: -> #melange ? ;) |
| 12:52.31 | vgvgf | Ivanovic, yes, a student can modify the project title and abstract |
| 12:52.46 | pdelgallego | Which one is the mailing list for the Accepted Students ? |
| 12:52.54 | pdelgallego | and how I sign up? |
| 12:53.02 | ojwb | pdelgallego: you should get an invite soon |
| 12:53.07 | ojwb | if you haven't already |
| 12:53.27 | aidecoe | ojwb: by the, who could I contact if have problem with joining? |
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| 12:53.57 | pdelgallego | ojwb, Ok, I havent been invite yet, I will wait |
| 12:54.00 | kai | you'll notice once you're subscribed, as your mailbox will suddenly be filled with "I made it!!!!111eleventyone" mails |
| 12:54.00 | ojwb | aidecoe: carols probably |
| 12:54.04 | kai | !support |
| 12:54.04 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 12:54.11 | kai | aidecoe: ^^^ |
| 12:54.12 | j-b | Hello, How can I get easily the e-mails of all my accepted students ? |
| 12:54.13 | anirvana | hi, Can anyone tell me the documents i need to submit to google.Last year's link will do. Actually i want to have sufficient time to collect them! |
| 12:54.16 | ojwb | but if you just haven't had an invite yet, I'd wait a few days |
| 12:54.21 | kai | j-b: ask them |
| 12:54.33 | j-b | kai: that's the step I wanted to skip |
| 12:54.33 | kai | !fa |
| 12:54.33 | socinfo | Error: "fa" is not a valid command. |
| 12:54.39 | kai | !faq |
| 12:54.39 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 12:54.46 | kai | anirvana: should be covered in there |
| 12:54.46 | ojwb | j-b: as recently said on the mentors list, socghop doesn't currently tell you |
| 12:54.55 | aidecoe | kai: thanks |
| 12:55.05 | j-b | ojwb: oh, sorry, I must have been through that mail |
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| 12:55.17 | kai | j-b: We've put the email address into the application template to skip that step |
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| 12:55.20 | aidecoe | ojwb: I tried to contact Carols, but no reply for a long time |
| 12:55.27 | kai | j-b: I'm not aware of any of the other methods |
| 12:55.31 | kai | aidecoe: hm? long time? |
| 12:55.33 | ojwb | "a long time"? |
| 12:55.41 | zwj | hi ,everyone |
| 12:55.44 | j-b | kai: I'll live with it. Many thanks to you. |
| 12:55.46 | kai | !patience |
| 12:55.46 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 12:55.50 | ojwb | it was only announced yesterday! |
| 12:55.54 | zwj | i have some problem need you help |
| 12:56.05 | kai | j-b: sorry I can't give you any better answer :) |
| 12:56.08 | danderson | !support |
| 12:56.08 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
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| 12:56.20 | danderson | and if your question is answered in the FAQ and you still ask it, you will be shot |
| 12:56.30 | kai | j-b: but it's a convenience vs. privacy thing |
| 12:56.48 | ojwb | given how gsoc works, it does seem a little mad though |
| 12:56.56 | kai | j-b: I mean obviously you'll need a way to contact your student |
| 12:57.08 | ojwb | the students just need to be told when they sign up that if they are accepted, the org will be told <this data> |
| 12:57.16 | kai | yeah, true |
| 12:57.19 | zwj | today i change my google account and then i sign in using new account ,but i cannot see my any gsoc information |
| 12:57.20 | kai | patches welcome, I guess |
| 12:57.27 | danderson | ideally, melange would implement a project-students@ email alias, to preserve privacy |
| 12:57.35 | danderson | but that's, um, hard :) |
| 12:57.37 | kai | zwj: contact the melange folks |
| 12:57.43 | zwj | i am gsoc 2010 accepted student |
| 12:57.49 | danderson | well, not hard, but I don't know if app engine does incoming email |
| 12:58.05 | danderson | so, dunno if it can do this. |
| 12:58.09 | kai | zwj: yeah, contact the melange folks and send them an email from both your accounts |
| 12:58.34 | kai | and off home I go |
| 12:58.43 | ojwb | given the student can just create a gmail (or whatever) account for free if they really want to keep their email address private, it doesn't seem worth diverting effort to try |
| 12:58.52 | zwj | @kai how to contact the melange folks |
| 12:59.06 | ojwb | zwj: #melange |
| 12:59.17 | zwj | thank you |
| 13:03.04 | zwj | !support |
| 13:03.04 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
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| 13:09.51 | Mkools | Hello, I applied as a gsoc student but not got selected. Should I resign or still there are things which can help me in improving my technical skills? |
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| 13:10.03 | dennda | !timeline |
| 13:10.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 13:13.34 | ojwb | Mkools: most open source projects would be happy to help you get involved |
| 13:14.30 | Mkools | ojwb: Means I should remain as soc student. |
| 13:15.04 | ojwb | Mkools: um, there's not really anything to resign from in that regard |
| 13:15.19 | ojwb | you could delete your account in the webapp I guess, but there's not really a reason to |
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| 13:15.54 | ojwb | but generally most projects are interested in people joining, whether they are involved in gsoc or not |
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| 13:18.17 | Mkools | ojwb: I just wanted to know whether remaining as soc student now when I am not selected makes sense. |
| 13:19.06 | |Kev| | Right, but if you're not selected, you're not a soc student - there's no remaining or not to be done. |
| 13:19.24 | ojwb | Mkools: you might as well. if you're likely to apply in the future (as student or mentor) then it'll save you signing up in the webapp from scratch |
| 13:19.48 | |Kev| | Oh, I see - the flag on your account in the web interface? Ignore me then, it doesn't make much difference to you. |
| 13:20.31 | Mkools | ojwb: Yeah thanks, that was I was looking for. |
| 13:21.25 | mdc | Mkools: That's a difficult question. It depends on how you feel about the project(s) you applied to wrok with in GSoC. I can say, however, that in our experience top students differentiated themselves by their demonstrated knowledge of our codebase and helpful interactions with our community. We accepted 10% of our applicants. |
| 13:21.46 | ojwb | hi mdc |
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| 13:21.59 | mdc | hi ojwb! :) |
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| 13:23.23 | mdc | We're in the process of giving feedback to those unsuccessful candidates who request it. We want to help them to do better next time, but it's a tricky balance. We don't wish to directly compare students, so we speak in general terms about what characteristics top students displayed that differentiated them and made them desirable candidates. |
| 13:23.32 | mdc | ojwb: How are things in your part of the world? |
| 13:24.09 | ojwb | mdc: sliding towards winter sadly |
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| 13:25.17 | Mkools | mdc: Can I get a feedback, I had applied for ChromiumOs and Boost. |
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| 13:25.55 | ojwb | Mkools: you can ask - they may not have enough resources to respond to everyone though |
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| 13:26.18 | ojwb | if you get 10 applications, it's pretty easy; it you get hundreds, it's a struggle |
| 13:26.41 | mdc | ojwb: Yes, you are in NZ as I recall. we're heading toward summer here. |
| 13:26.50 | ojwb | is |
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| 13:27.05 | mdc | is in Cambridge (Boston) |
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| 13:27.48 | Mkools | ojwb: Whom to ask, to the organizations applied or to gsoc? And how to ask through email? |
| 13:27.57 | ojwb | to the orgs |
| 13:28.18 | mdc | Mkools: Remaining active in a community you desire to work with will say a lot about you to them. Even if you have limited time, I'm sure your help would be gratefully received. |
| 13:28.23 | ojwb | email would probably work |
| 13:28.42 | mdc | Mkools: Was there an email address for contacting the org? Perhaps on their ideas page? |
| 13:28.59 | Mkools | mdc: Yes there was. |
| 13:29.50 | thebolt | hey mdc |
| 13:30.21 | mdc | hi thebolt! :) |
| 13:30.30 | mdc | thebolt: How are things with you? :) |
| 13:30.59 | thebolt | mdc: learning a new definition of the word "busy" and at the same time the expression "not getting anywhere" :P |
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| 13:31.43 | thebolt | mdc: how about you? |
| 13:31.57 | mdc | thebolt: I hope there are areas in your life where you are happy and satisfied :) |
| 13:32.42 | mdc | thebolt: I'm busy as well, but am enjoying a voyage of discovery in a number of areas -- musical, writing, tai chi. |
| 13:33.01 | mdc | I find having a variety of activities helps keep things fresh. |
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| 13:33.54 | thebolt | mdc: well, i love my work.. outside of that stuff have went from "totally black" to "dark grey" but it is on the right path as well :P |
| 13:34.26 | mdc | Excellent :) |
| 13:34.30 | Nealindia | what is this conversation about? seems interesting... |
| 13:34.57 | mdc | Nealindia: Just a couple of mentors talking in general about their lives :) |
| 13:35.12 | thebolt | mdc: i guess i am at #030303 right now or so ;) |
| 13:35.23 | thebolt | but definitely better than #000000 |
| 13:35.40 | mdc | thebolt: en nui tous les chats son gris :) |
| 13:35.52 | Nealindia | Cool. :) Btw, I got rejected into the GSoC. Had high hopes :( |
| 13:35.55 | mdc | ( pardon the bad spelling, I don't know French well :) ) |
| 13:36.36 | mdc | Nealindia: Sorry to hear you were not selected this time. I hope you try again and are selected by a good organization and have a good experience. |
| 13:36.37 | thebolt | mdc: i don't know anything, so no idea what you tried to say :) |
| 13:36.53 | thebolt | s/anything/any French :P |
| 13:36.54 | mdc | thebolt: "At night all the cats are grey" :) |
| 13:37.05 | thebolt | mdc: ah :P |
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| 13:37.31 | Mkools | mdc: I am graduating this year would I be able to participate as soc student if have not joined any educational organizations. |
| 13:38.16 | thebolt | Mkools: no, gsoc is a program for (active) students.. |
| 13:40.36 | thebolt | I'm also graduating this year.. so now I don't have any chance of ever doing gsoc from the student-side.. |
| 13:41.59 | Mkools | thebolt: What if I will be M.E. or M.tech student? |
| 13:42.01 | mdc | thebolt: Well, I never have been a GSoC student, but we have two mentors who were students. It's really fun and helpful talking to them about how things look from that side :) |
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| 13:45.02 | thebolt | Mkools: if M stands for Master, well then that is of course ok (I'm just finishing my Msc myself) |
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| 13:45.23 | thebolt | mdc: well, you're older than me ;) I've been a (out-of-gsoc) student all years i've been a mentor in gsoc so technically i could participate ;) |
| 13:46.12 | thebolt | s/me/I :P |
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| 13:47.12 | mdc | thebolt: Life is about choices :) |
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| 13:47.39 | thebolt | mdc: yep, definitely |
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| 13:48.33 | Mkools | thebolt: mdc: Thanks. :) |
| 13:48.45 | mdc | Mkools: you're very welcome :) |
| 13:48.58 | thebolt | mdc: you make choices and suffer the consequences.. or gain the benefits :) |
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| 13:49.13 | mdc | thebolt: or both :) |
| 13:49.17 | aidecoe | I've messed up with my multiple e-mail accounts. :-/ I hope that Admins won't be very angry at me, since it's really my fault. I need to get rid of all of them and leave only one e-mail… |
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| 13:49.34 | mdc | aidecoe: sounds like a plan :) |
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| 13:51.24 | vjsamuel | has google started sending out the invites for the private mailing list and stuff??? |
| 13:51.25 | thebolt | mdc: well, yea :) |
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| 13:54.06 | mdc | vjsamuel: You might want to ask on the gosc-discussion mailing list. |
| 13:54.52 | ojwb | vjsamuel: they have, but there are 1000 or so students, so it may be a while before everyone gets one |
| 13:55.10 | vjsamuel | ojwb: have u recieved yours?? |
| 13:55.20 | ojwb | vjsamuel: no, but I'm not a student |
| 13:55.31 | vjsamuel | ojwb: oops sorry! |
| 13:56.07 | ojwb | some students have said they have got one, others haven't yet |
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| 13:56.44 | vjsamuel | ojwb: ok. how will thinks work during community bonding period? |
| 13:57.45 | aidecoe | vjsamuel: I've received and already messed up with them. Advice: if you have multiple accounts be sure, to be signed in the one given in your profile. |
| 13:57.49 | ojwb | vjsamuel: talk to your mentor, and prepare so you're reading to get coding productively when the coding period starts |
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| 13:58.06 | vjsamuel | ojwb: ok... |
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| 13:59.14 | ojwb | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/MindtheGap has some more about it, looking at it mostly from the mentors point of view |
| 13:59.15 | mdc | vjsamuel: Every organization is different, and it's a little like moving into a new community -- getting to know people, seeing how you can contribute, learning your way around. |
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| 14:01.47 | mdc | vjsamuel: My advice is to make yourself useful and help where you can. Take the time to familiarize yourself with the codebase, submit a patch or two, improve the documentation, and generally be helpful. Good things will follow :) |
| 14:02.02 | vjsamuel | ojwb,mdc: thank you |
| 14:03.02 | vjsamuel | mdc: ive already done these :) |
| 14:03.02 | mdc | vjsamuel: Sounds like a good beginning :) Keep going :) |
| 14:03.02 | vjsamuel | mdc: thank you... i hope to have a very fruitful summer this year... ^^ |
| 14:03.30 | mdc | vjsamuel: I wish you a great GSoC experience :) |
| 14:04.09 | vjsamuel | mdc: thank you and i want to thank google for such a wonderful opportunity. |
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| 14:04.58 | mdc | vjsamuel: It is my pleasure, and I agree GSoC is a wonderful opportunity for mentoring organizations as well as students :) |
| 14:05.42 | vjsamuel | mdc: this could be the big break that many students like myself require to take off and do great things... |
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| 14:11.10 | kblin | hm |
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| 14:15.22 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 14:15.25 | kblin | I wonder if I want to try kubuntu lucid or if I want to go for kde programms running in gnome like at work |
| 14:15.28 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 14:15.35 | kblin | just got my new thinkpad :) |
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| 14:15.50 | thebolt | nice |
| 14:16.08 | thebolt | just have to wait for his company registration to process to be able to get a new laptop |
| 14:16.27 | mdc | kblin: what model? |
| 14:16.33 | kblin | well, the thinkpad arrived just in time so I'll have a fast system to use at sambaxp next week |
| 14:17.10 | kblin | mdc: it's an R500 |
| 14:17.23 | kblin | I was too cheap to get a T-series |
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| 14:17.50 | Ivanovic | kblin: i'd go for kde4 |
| 14:18.21 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, so far I've been underwhelmed with kde as shipped with kubuntu |
| 14:18.37 | Ivanovic | ah, kubuntu is, uhm, not what i'd use |
| 14:18.45 | kblin | 9.04 was unuseable, 9.10 is just bearable |
| 14:18.57 | Ivanovic | from what i heard installing kde ontop of ubuntu does work better than installing a straight kubuntu |
| 14:19.04 | mdc | kblin: Sweet machine. I'm thinking of something like that. |
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| 14:19.11 | Ivanovic | though, if you want binary packages, i'd go for archlinux |
| 14:20.01 | kblin | mdc: my girlfriend got one, and then I got a little jealous still working with my R52 |
| 14:20.08 | kblin | so I got one as well |
| 14:20.41 | kblin | she still got a better deal, though |
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| 14:20.43 | Ivanovic | uhm, what hardware do you have in your r500? |
| 14:20.52 | Ivanovic | there seem to be myriads of different configurations... |
| 14:21.00 | kblin | yeah |
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| 14:22.45 | Ivanovic | heh, plenty choice available regarding http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R500 |
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| 14:23.12 | thebolt | thats the problem with buying a laptop today |
| 14:23.14 | thebolt | too many damn choices |
| 14:23.47 | kblin | I've got a T9550 dual core, 15.4 1680x1050 screen, 4 gigs of ram.. |
| 14:23.54 | kblin | oh, and a US keyboard |
| 14:24.24 | kblin | my girlfriend got a slower cpu, and a german keyboard |
| 14:24.40 | kblin | and she paid like 400 bucks less |
| 14:25.21 | kblin | oh, I've got a 250gig drive and she's got a 160gig drive, I think |
| 14:25.24 | mdc | It's amazing the difference dual-core makes. |
| 14:25.34 | kblin | yeah, that's the reason I got a new system |
| 14:25.38 | kblin | I run a lot of VMs |
| 14:25.39 | mdc | make -j4 anyone? :) |
| 14:25.46 | aghisla | i do! |
| 14:25.51 | gevaerts | Just wait until you try such a system with an SSD |
| 14:25.55 | kblin | that's no fun to do on a single core with one gig of ram |
| 14:25.56 | aghisla | make -j4 -l90 |
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| 14:26.08 | kblin | gevaerts: I was too cheap for that as well |
| 14:26.19 | kblin | I might look into that next year |
| 14:26.31 | gevaerts | kblin: I got a 160GB SSD for my T500 a few weeks ago. It's impressive |
| 14:26.39 | thebolt | i think i'll go one step further.. get a quad-core even |
| 14:26.46 | Ivanovic | mdc: better try make -j with a default kernel config |
| 14:26.58 | Ivanovic | that manages to put load onto most computers... |
| 14:27.07 | gevaerts | Openoffice needs three seconds from typing "ooffice" in an xterm to being usable, from a cold cache |
| 14:27.15 | kblin | thebolt: the dual core looked like a reasonable price/oomph tradeoff |
| 14:27.18 | gevaerts | Same with firefox |
| 14:27.34 | gevaerts | (possibly only two seconds) |
| 14:27.45 | thebolt | kblin: well, VMs + heavy CAD + work-station for a few years to come.. |
| 14:27.48 | kblin | gevaerts: yeah, but the thinkpad cost me more than a month's worth of pay already |
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| 14:28.26 | thebolt | kblin: but yea, a dual-core i5 or i7 might be enough already.. not 100% decided |
| 14:28.32 | kblin | which mostly is due to lousy grad student wages of course, but an SSD of reasonable size wasn't in the budget |
| 14:28.34 | gevaerts | kblin: yes, there is a downside :) |
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| 14:28.58 | mdc | Ivanovic: make -j4 is faster on my machines than make -j. I wonder if it's distro specific. |
| 14:29.11 | dberkholz | kblin: i added an ssd onto mine -- moved the original drive into the cd bay, and the ssd is where the original was |
| 14:29.16 | kblin | mdc: -j starts as many process as possible |
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| 14:29.26 | mdc | needs to look into ccache :) |
| 14:29.27 | Ivanovic | is still satisfied with his x60t with a 1400x1050 screen on 12" and the plain 1.5GHz low voltage core2duo cpu |
| 14:29.27 | josip | hello, is any of the admisn here? I didn't get invited to the mailing list |
| 14:29.38 | dberkholz | mdc: distcc too, if you've got a few boxes around |
| 14:29.44 | mdc | kblin: ah! got it :) |
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| 14:30.09 | mdc | dberkholz: That's a cool idea. I have a pair of servers that would be idea of that :) |
| 14:30.11 | kblin | mdc: which is a good way to bring down the speed of any system :) |
| 14:30.20 | kblin | mdc: ccache is great |
| 14:30.40 | kblin | mdc: and I'm not just saying that because tridge wrote it |
| 14:30.40 | _Samo | can selected students edit their proposal for completion? |
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| 14:30.47 | Ivanovic | mdc: -j without number as param won't help unless you got "many" cores available |
| 14:31.36 | kblin | I like waf in that respect |
| 14:31.44 | dberkholz | mdc: if you're wondering how to build stuff quickly, gentoo users are great resources =P |
| 14:32.17 | kblin | unless you tell it to do something different, it'll use as many processes as you have processors available |
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| 14:34.07 | mdc | dberkholz: That's for sure! :) I've also thought about playing with LInux From Scratch, just to learn about what it takes to bootstrap and play with Linux initramfs stuff. |
| 14:34.35 | dberkholz | gentoo is basically lfs with a package manager. so unless you want to get a lot of experience building software.. |
| 14:34.47 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: ah, no |
| 14:35.01 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: lfs is more about the lerning and having direct explainations at hand |
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| 14:35.07 | dberkholz | as is gentoo |
| 14:35.12 | Ivanovic | where gentoo is about having a real long term usable system |
| 14:35.15 | dberkholz | have you seen our handbook? |
| 14:35.30 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: it does not explain every tiny prog that will be installed! |
| 14:35.47 | Ivanovic | hey, i am using gentoo after learing linux stuff by using lfs as main system for a while |
| 14:35.56 | gevaerts | doesn't like JTL compilation |
| 14:36.24 | Ivanovic | mdc: but, uhm, who needs initramfs for a normal system? |
| 14:37.49 | Ivanovic | mdc: creating an initrd is too much useless hussle for me as normal user, i directly boot the system from my drive |
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| 15:12.09 | mdc | Ivanovic: I enjoy understanding things at a detailed level, which is my motivation for thinking LFS might be interesting. |
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| 15:12.40 | mdc | dberkholz: I haven't gotten deeply into Gentoo but I have to say that the people I know who like it _really_ like it :) |
| 15:13.38 | kblin | it was horrible in the one setup I used it at university |
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| 15:14.03 | kblin | but that was mostly due to the fact that people were allowed to install software when they needed it for development |
| 15:14.25 | kblin | so every system ended up using different versions of libraries and stuff |
| 15:14.35 | svuorela | tha's a gentoo feature |
| 15:15.14 | sfb | kblin: ping (= |
| 15:15.56 | kblin | sfb: pong, but I need to go buy some food now, unless it's really quick, can I get back to you in ~30 minuts? |
| 15:16.09 | kblin | hmmm, nuts :) |
| 15:16.10 | sfb | kblin: No rush. Just wanted to chat about the bonding period. |
| 15:16.20 | kblin | ah, sure, bbiaf then |
| 15:16.22 | dberkholz | mdc: that's the mark of a good product -- it's got lovers and haters instead of a bunch of ambiguous people who don't really care |
| 15:16.24 | sfb | ttyl. (= |
| 15:17.04 | dberkholz | anyone got a great welcome email they'd like to share? |
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| 15:17.14 | dberkholz | checks the wiki |
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| 15:29.09 | znik | i got this mail You've been invited to Google Summer of Code Students List but when i click on the accept invitation link "You must be signed in and a member of this group to view its content." clicking on sign in to google groups reloads the same page!! |
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| 15:36.38 | felipevieira | i didn't receive any invitation yet |
| 15:37.34 | znik | felipevieira: they might be working on it! ;) |
| 15:38.14 | felipevieira | znik i thought so (: |
| 15:39.27 | mkarnicki | felipevieira: I did neither, give them some time :) |
| 15:40.07 | znik | felipevieira: ohh.. sorry guys my mistake!!! i was using googlesharin addon!! |
| 15:40.25 | znik | and that wasnt allowing me. now i have accepted the invitation |
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| 15:40.46 | danderson | your exclamation mark key seems sticky. You might want to fix that. |
| 15:41.08 | znik | ironical how i am getting stiped from google and using googlesharing :) |
| 15:41.37 | felipevieira | znik, that happens.. |
| 15:41.51 | felipevieira | znik, what project? |
| 15:42.16 | danderson | I hope you trust all the random untrusted proxies that addon is using. |
| 15:42.46 | danderson | unlike Google, the people running those proxies have no privacy policy, no anonymization policy, and no government auditors making sure that they stick to it. |
| 15:42.49 | danderson | Just saying. |
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| 15:43.41 | kblin | what's googlesharing? |
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| 15:43.54 | znik | danderson: ok.. read about it on some site.. your words have now made me think again! ;) |
| 15:43.58 | danderson | kblin: a firefox extension that relays traffic to google services via anonymizing proxies |
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| 15:44.04 | znik | kblin: google it! ;) |
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| 15:44.15 | danderson | where "anonymizing proxies" are servers run by random people on the internet |
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| 15:44.44 | znik | kblin: basically what you search is not stored by google! |
| 15:44.50 | danderson | the only saving grace is that the addon strips authentication cookies from the requests. |
| 15:45.12 | kblin | aha |
| 15:45.15 | danderson | other than that, you've just transferred the log information from Google, a company which has strict privacy, data protection and anonymization policies, to random people on the internet. |
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| 15:45.30 | hypatia | that's kinda disingenuous, danderson |
| 15:45.33 | danderson | If that makes you feel safer, good for you. I wouldn't. |
| 15:45.33 | hypatia | that's not how googlesharing works |
| 15:45.35 | znik | danderson: ahhh.. now i am going to remove the addon |
| 15:45.38 | znik | :) |
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| 15:45.48 | danderson | hypatia: please clarify then. |
| 15:45.53 | hypatia | particularly, the googlesharing firefox extension strips your cookie before sending any data |
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| 15:46.04 | hypatia | so /all/ that you're sharing is an anonymized search query |
| 15:46.04 | kblin | shrugs |
| 15:46.05 | danderson | hypatia: reparse what I said. |
| 15:46.08 | danderson | I said exactly that. |
| 15:46.22 | hypatia | oh duh sorry i missed that :p |
| 15:46.27 | danderson | which, combined with your IP address, is already fairly interesting information |
| 15:46.32 | hypatia | for sure |
| 15:46.38 | danderson | which is why search engines now have anonymization policies for IP addresses |
| 15:46.44 | hypatia | haha |
| 15:46.52 | znik | final verdict: no google sharing |
| 15:46.54 | hypatia | "anonymization" as in "we strip the last octet" |
| 15:47.02 | hypatia | anonymization my ass. |
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| 15:47.48 | hypatia | a googlesharing proxy cloud run by trusted friends would be nice, instead of using moxie's |
| 15:47.52 | danderson | (a) sufficient to be useless in court, (b) better than trusting random proxies on the internet whose only guarantee is "we think we're nice people" |
| 15:48.10 | kblin | I wonder how many of the googlesharing users use... amazon.. or facebook |
| 15:48.28 | hypatia | kblin: "you're not doing it perfectly" isn't a reason to not try to do some things better |
| 15:48.56 | danderson | I also happen to know how incredibly hard it is to get to any user data, even anonymized, even as a google employee |
| 15:49.04 | hypatia | danderson: sigh |
| 15:49.07 | hypatia | maybe for you |
| 15:49.19 | hypatia | i've heard firsthand of enough sketchy things with gmail to not want to use it |
| 15:49.22 | danderson | unfortunately, the only stuff that filters to the press is what politicians understood of what we explained to them |
| 15:49.41 | danderson | ie. not terribly accurate :) |
| 15:49.43 | hypatia | this wasn't via the press |
| 15:49.46 | danderson | hypatia: do share. |
| 15:50.02 | hypatia | i'd rather not get my acquaintance fired. |
| 15:50.11 | hypatia | though i have considered it. |
| 15:50.12 | danderson | I'm not asking for names |
| 15:50.24 | danderson | I'm only wondering what you were told |
| 15:50.30 | danderson | and whether it's actually true. |
| 15:50.45 | danderson | that said, there's not much in it for you |
| 15:51.13 | gevaerts | thinks that it's a pity that the google search results get less useful if you're logged in |
| 15:51.13 | danderson | because I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny what you say without violating my own NDA |
| 15:51.27 | hypatia | i'm not saying any more in a publicly logged channel :/ |
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| 15:52.06 | danderson | fair enough. |
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| 16:40.15 | RoAkSoAx | hi all. I was wondering when are the procedures to obtain CPT letter and stuff gonna be posted? |
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| 16:50.52 | carols | serves tea and stroopwafels to everyone |
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| 16:51.05 | svuorela | carols: thanks. I'm getting hungry |
| 16:51.10 | gevaerts | would prefer cookies :) |
| 16:51.12 | carols | svuorela: yw :-) |
| 16:51.18 | thebolt | Hi carols |
| 16:51.21 | carols | serves some cookies just for gevaerts |
| 16:51.24 | carols | hey thebolt |
| 16:51.25 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 16:51.35 | merwok | Waffles \o/ |
| 16:51.42 | gevaerts | drinks tea and eats cookies |
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| 16:51.56 | carols | sips some tea |
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| 16:54.25 | thebolt | how do you do carols ? cannot be too bad if you are sipping tea? ;) |
| 16:54.50 | carols | thebolt: i am running around like a chicken with my head cut off. the tea is just for the energy to do so. :-) |
| 16:54.55 | carols | but I'm fine. i love my job. |
| 16:55.01 | carols | how are you, thebolt? |
| 16:55.04 | thebolt | that cannot be productive, stop it :P |
| 16:55.18 | thebolt | much better to run around like a chicken with your head still attached ;) |
| 16:55.45 | thebolt | Doing okay, totally stuck and non-productive at work but right now i am home eating dinner.. and soon a very very good friend is coming over for some dessert |
| 16:56.09 | qrng | Young love. |
| 16:56.12 | qrng | sighs. |
| 16:57.13 | thebolt | qrng: heh, well, a while ago I hoped so but didn't go that way... ;) |
| 16:57.31 | carols | thebolt: dessert is always a good thing :-) |
| 16:57.33 | qrng | One sided love, even. So much more dramatic. |
| 16:58.12 | thebolt | qrng: haha, nah, but feelings alone does not set the full agenda of life, unforutnately |
| 16:58.42 | qrng | As a mathematician, which, by definition, means that I belong to a whole different species of sapient creatures, I do not require anything of the sort. |
| 16:58.55 | qrng | I derive enough satisfaction from my formulae. |
| 16:58.59 | thebolt | qrng: heh, well, i am an applied physics/EE half-breed ;) |
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| 16:59.38 | qrng | thebolt: I have my opinion about physicists. |
| 16:59.55 | thebolt | qrng: haha, well, my focus is EE |
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| 17:01.25 | thebolt | qrng: and i think many people have their oppinions about mahematicians ;) |
| 17:01.33 | thebolt | qrng: at least it is better than economist :P |
| 17:01.35 | qrng | Especially what horrors they do to mathematical apparatus. It is unimaginable. They look at the formula and then they say: "Well, we don't need this stuff.", and happily throw out half of that formula, without bothering to check upper and lower limits of errors, whether the new function converges to the same value or not, etc., etc., etc. |
| 17:01.42 | qrng | I shudder everytime I see them at work. |
| 17:02.15 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 17:02.33 | thebolt | well, our Msc program is the one after the pure-maths students that study most "real" maths |
| 17:02.46 | thebolt | so it is not unknown subject to me |
| 17:03.09 | qrng | This abomination that they do, they have the gall to call 'simplification'. Bah. |
| 17:03.26 | thebolt | we have a special name for what is done at department of EE and department of physics when it comes to maths.. we say "ah, now he is doing ISY-maths" (ISY is the name of the department of EE) |
| 17:03.39 | thebolt | meaning "not real maths, but gives a close-enough answer for this application" ;) |
| 17:03.58 | merwok | http://diveintomark.org/archives/2008/06/11/purity |
| 17:04.30 | thebolt | merwok: :) |
| 17:05.36 | thebolt | qrng: i think there are times that call for mathematical rigor, and times that call for approximations |
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| 17:05.47 | thebolt | qrng: i guess that is where the engineer in me comes in ;) |
| 17:06.22 | qrng | I do understand approximations quite well, I am fairly sure. |
| 17:06.26 | kblin | hm, crap, the ubuntu lucid rc is broken |
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| 17:06.46 | merwok | Well, not every science builds on math. |
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| 17:07.01 | thebolt | merwok: of course they do.. question is if they acknowledge it or not |
| 17:07.03 | merwok | Math does not have the exclusivity of rigor. |
| 17:07.03 | qrng | I can even agree that probably physicits even derive valid approximations. |
| 17:07.09 | merwok | thebolt, please :) |
| 17:07.35 | qrng | What baffles me most is THE WAY how they arrive at them. |
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| 17:07.44 | thebolt | merwok: well, in part i am serious.. in most fields what you call "science" more or less builds on that half-breed part of maths called statistics ;) |
| 17:07.53 | thebolt | qrng: well, if it works, it works ;) |
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| 17:08.11 | qrng | How on earth can this work!? |
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| 17:08.21 | qrng | Don't bother. 'Twas a rhetorical question. |
| 17:08.23 | thebolt | qrng: its like a ODE.. sometimes if you have a solution that fullfills it, it doesn't matter how you got it ;) |
| 17:08.29 | thebolt | +n |
| 17:08.53 | merwok | ODE? |
| 17:08.59 | qrng | Dynamics. |
| 17:09.22 | thebolt | merwok: ordinary differential equation |
| 17:10.10 | thebolt | qrng: but yea, there are some really strange things going on in the connection physics<->maths |
| 17:11.09 | brik | thanks, carols :) |
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| 17:11.22 | carols | brik: you're quite welcome. welcome to gsoc :-) |
| 17:11.29 | qrng | thebolt: Explain things more down to earth for those mere mortals. Some of them don't even know what diff. equations may describe. :-D |
| 17:12.09 | Catfish_Man | ah I see. This is #gsoc. Somehow I mixed up my tabs and thought this was #llvm |
| 17:12.09 | thebolt | (like how euler beta-function shows up in the force strenght of the strong force..) |
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| 17:12.41 | brik | thank you :) |
| 17:12.49 | thebolt | qrng: bah :P to quote Rutherford.. all science is either physics or stamp collecting ;-) |
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| 17:14.04 | qrng | I know the version of the same adage that claims that all science is either physics or accountancy. |
| 17:14.29 | qrng | This accountancy part especially applies to biology and chemistry, of course. :-] |
| 17:14.35 | merwok | It must be nice to live in such a simple world. :) |
| 17:14.36 | schumaml | sounds like my physics teacher |
| 17:15.09 | schumaml | all other classes were either helpers for physics or inconveniences |
| 17:15.21 | thebolt | schumaml: heh, sounds like a wise man ;) |
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| 17:16.52 | qrng | Anyhow, all of this started from the unsuccessfull love life of young thebolt. |
| 17:17.16 | merwok | At least he has friends coming home. |
| 17:17.21 | Catfish_Man | makes sense. Love is biochem, and chemistry is physics ;) |
| 17:17.24 | Catfish_Man | (and physics is math) |
| 17:17.34 | merwok | If you find that unsuccessful, you don’t want to hear about my life :) |
| 17:17.36 | schumaml | "gentlemen, forget about your literature/religous/... grades - physics is about precision and brevity, so those will suffer" |
| 17:17.37 | qrng | Catfish_Man: Of course it isn't. |
| 17:17.58 | thebolt | qrng: hey, what do you know of my love life? :P |
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| 17:18.40 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: since when does love make sense? :P |
| 17:18.59 | qrng | I was happily generalizing from that stray remark that anything substantial failed to emerge from the relationship with this very very dear friend. |
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| 17:19.13 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: I'm doin' pretty well in not being confused, currently :) |
| 17:19.21 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: :) |
| 17:19.33 | qrng | And, besides, I like drama. :-D |
| 17:19.36 | thebolt | qrng: heh, yea :) but as you know, all generalizations are wrong :) |
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| 17:19.51 | qrng | Doesn't make drama less entertaining. |
| 17:20.40 | thebolt | hehe, sorry to disappoint then if i say there isn't much drama in my life at the moment :P |
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| 17:21.01 | qrng | Actually, if I weren't a mathematician, I could have been a drama queen. |
| 17:21.09 | qrng | Now, that's an idea to ponder. |
| 17:21.11 | thebolt | haha |
| 17:22.08 | qrng | Anyhow, enough. |
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| 17:23.16 | qrng | So, when do we get to deal with bureaucracy? |
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| 17:25.56 | qrng | !next |
| 17:25.56 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) STOP BUGGING ME! |
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| 17:26.29 | thebolt | qrng: try to avoid it as long as you can ;) |
| 17:26.41 | qrng | Right, community bonding period... I am more concerned about the necessary paperwork. |
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| 17:27.36 | merwok | Let’s bond. |
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| 17:28.20 | smtms | sleeping with members of your community is considered community bonding, isn't it? |
| 17:28.35 | Catfish_Man | smtms: also gluing yourself to them |
| 17:29.31 | thebolt | smtms: only if it is mutually consentual ;) |
| 17:29.36 | qrng | thebolt: That's exactly the worst strategy. I prefer to get unpleasantries out of my as soon as possible. |
| 17:29.42 | qrng | s/my/my\ way/ |
| 17:30.03 | thebolt | qrng: well, if you delay something long enough you might find you don't need to do it at all ;) |
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| 17:32.16 | qrng | thebolt: Yes, of course. One can delay one's exam so admirably that one can find oneself free from the uni at all. |
| 17:32.35 | thebolt | ok, rule with exceptions :) |
| 17:33.15 | merwok | There’s only one rule without exception. |
| 17:33.22 | thebolt | bah, now i have to do some stuff.. see you ladies and gentlemen later |
| 17:33.34 | qrng | merwok: We all have to pay taxes and then die? |
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| 17:34.05 | merwok | qrng, no. |
| 17:34.26 | qrng | Elucidate, please. |
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| 17:35.18 | merwok | Rule #34 of the Internet. |
| 17:35.42 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 17:37.31 | qrng | Would be curious to see porn with geese. |
| 17:37.46 | qrng | yawns. |
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| 17:44.50 | Kosma | qrng: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNoQEkmbmjM |
| 17:45.12 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 17:50.45 | qrng | Kosma: Thank you. Now I feel really informed about the peculiarities of avine copulation. |
| 17:51.33 | qrng | 'Twas exactly the piece of knowledge I was lacking in order to live my life to its fullest. |
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| 18:00.37 | BBB | how do I get the list of students on my organization's home page? |
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| 18:01.19 | Kosma | quaid: I'm glad your curiosity is fulfilled. :) |
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| 18:04.55 | dhaun | BBB: you need to create a homepage for your org - check the mentor's list, this was discussed today |
| 18:05.04 | BBB | dhaun: which thread? |
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| 18:06.14 | bawr | Good morning, people. I got in, my laptop kind of works, there's tea... life is good. |
| 18:06.54 | dhaun | BBB: ah, it was on the public list, actually, linking back to the mentors list: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/71eda5e7ddfa5e2e |
| 18:06.58 | safal_soni | ya bawr u r right |
| 18:07.03 | BBB | got it, thanks |
| 18:08.05 | bawr | Good morning, people. I got in, my laptop kind of works, there's tea... life is good.0 |
| 18:08.12 | bawr | sighs |
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| 18:08.47 | keeroy | hi there |
| 18:08.47 | bawr | Well, I still have to learn not to confuse shift and up keys on this laptop, though. |
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| 18:09.11 | BBB | is there a shortcut to list student documents in the organization homepage document? |
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| 18:11.46 | dhaun | BBB: no, you just need to create and set a homepage, the list should show up automatically |
| 18:12.39 | BBB | ah there we go |
| 18:12.40 | BBB | thanks!!! |
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| 18:12.54 | BBB | I was almost scared I had to type everything in this page :) |
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| 18:15.03 | davidL | when should we expect the invitation to the student mailinglist? |
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| 18:17.31 | carols | davidL: soon. i am one person and there are over 1,000 of you. :-) |
| 18:18.30 | kblin | hey carols :) |
| 18:18.32 | davidL | carols: alright. I wasn't sure if it required some interaction on our part. Thanks |
| 18:18.48 | carols | davidL: nope, all will be done for you. :-) |
| 18:19.01 | carols | hey kblin fine day for hacking :-) |
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| 18:23.38 | kblin | sights |
| 18:25.19 | kblin | -t |
| 18:25.33 | kblin | stupid ubuntu installer |
| 18:27.47 | pdelgallego | davidL, I create a facebook group open to students and mentors, feel free to join. |
| 18:28.19 | pdelgallego | http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=101698113208883&ref=ts |
| 18:28.56 | merwok | Your open group is closed to everyone that does not like Facebook. |
| 18:29.30 | Kosma | merwok: gsoc is closed to everyone that does not like open source ;) |
| 18:29.48 | merwok | I don’t like open source. |
| 18:29.59 | geoaxis | ? |
| 18:29.59 | merwok | I support free software. |
| 18:30.29 | geoaxis | merwok: do you have any particular reason for not liking open source |
| 18:30.30 | jbartosik | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html ? |
| 18:30.35 | pdelgallego | merwok, If you dont like FB dont use it. Life is simple |
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| 18:33.20 | merwok | geoaxis, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html |
| 18:34.00 | gevaerts | "Open Source" tends to attract GPL-version-as-crippleware people. Free software doesn't |
| 18:34.48 | schumaml | wheee, Open vs. Free battle! |
| 18:34.53 | schumaml | gets popcorn |
| 18:34.58 | Kosma | yes, the same old flame |
| 18:34.58 | shm | Beerware uber alles. |
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| 18:38.11 | Catfish_Man | I'm heading off to lunch now. Play nice, everyone |
| 18:45.27 | Dark_Shikari | gevaerts: never seen that |
| 18:45.37 | Dark_Shikari | but what I have seen is "open source" == "here's the sources under a crappy non-free license" |
| 18:45.52 | Dark_Shikari | e.g. a lot of reference software is open source, but not free or even close to GPL-compatible |
| 18:47.39 | gevaerts | Dark_Shikari: there's some companies that have a product with an "Open Source Edition", and a "Professional/Enterprise/Something Edition". They don't accept patches, the OS version is limited (yes, you can fork it and improve it, but that's not really fun), the pro version is closed, and they don't give support for anything but the pro thing |
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| 18:48.47 | Dark_Shikari | gevaerts: and by "some companies" we mean "whoever is selling mysql this week" |
| 18:48.50 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
| 18:49.20 | gevaerts | Dark_Shikari: actually, I wasn't referring to mysql :) |
| 18:49.33 | Dark_Shikari | Actually, I recall that Sun's CLA prohibits that anyways |
| 18:49.40 | gevaerts | Have a look at various "groupware" offerings |
| 18:49.44 | Dark_Shikari | one of the clauses says that all modifications to contributed code must be released under an open source license |
| 18:49.50 | schumaml | why is anyone still using mysql? ;) |
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| 18:49.53 | Dark_Shikari | so it is impossible to make a proprietary fork |
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| 18:51.59 | sfb | Dark_Shikari: There's a difference between |
| 18:52.13 | sfb | Dark_Shikari: There's a difference between "open source" "Open Source" and "Open Core" |
| 18:52.16 | sfb | (); |
| 18:53.07 | sfb | Open Core is also commonly known as fauxpensource (www.fauxpensource.com) |
| 18:54.01 | sfb | Altho I tend to agree with people like Tarus Balog that the ten tenants and four freedoms are mutually inclusive. |
| 18:54.33 | Dark_Shikari | Well one approach to the problem is to release an open source version under an unreasonably restrictive license |
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| 18:54.36 | Dark_Shikari | e.g. AGPL |
| 18:54.44 | Dark_Shikari | and require a license for the non-open-source version ;) |
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| 18:57.43 | qrng | curses in a most belligerent manner. |
| 18:58.03 | qrng | This silly OOo Impress thing will be the death of me. |
| 18:58.11 | merwok | OOo kills me. |
| 18:58.57 | qrng | Imagine my surprise when I found out that my PDF presentation does not resemble the original presentation that I edit at all. |
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| 19:00.00 | schumaml | use LaTeX |
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| 19:00.34 | qrng | And the situation seems so much sillier simply because the earlier OOo version exported the very same presentation without failure. |
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| 19:01.58 | qrng | schumaml: Thanks for the suggestion. I write my thesis with LaTeX, and I am very happy with it. I do not, however, going to make my presentations in LaTeX because I like those twirly-curly things and whistles-and-bells backgrounds. |
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| 19:02.39 | qrng | And LaTeX would require exponentially more work just to hack-up a simple presentation. |
| 19:04.23 | kimelto | S5 is fun too |
| 19:04.58 | qrng | S |
| 19:05.02 | qrng | S5? |
| 19:05.08 | sfb | What's unreasonably restrictive about AGPL? |
| 19:05.17 | kimelto | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/s5-intro.html |
| 19:05.19 | sfb | The fact that even server side code must be released? |
| 19:05.33 | kimelto | sfb: the fact that it is GPL? |
| 19:05.38 | kimelto | ;) |
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| 19:21.46 | Nightrose | carols: I sent Ellen an article about Season of KDE which she wanted to publish on google's open source blog close to after accepted students for gsoc were announced - you don't happen to know if that's still being worked on? |
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| 19:22.15 | carols | Nightrose: I can ping her about it, but I'm sure she's working on it. :-) |
| 19:22.22 | Nightrose | ok thx :) |
| 19:22.42 | Nightrose | no rush - just want to make sure it doesn't get forgotten |
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| 19:24.00 | carols | Nightrose: sure, i'll check in |
| 19:24.15 | Nightrose | thx |
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| 19:25.40 | pauloricardomg | !timeline |
| 19:25.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 19:38.04 | evanpro | That timeline needs to be more complete |
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| 19:38.17 | evanpro | 1077 -- Battle of Hastings |
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| 19:39.07 | gevaerts | Did they fight two battles there? |
| 19:39.29 | evanpro | 1933 -- repeal of Prohibition |
| 19:39.46 | evanpro | Crud, got the date wrong |
| 19:39.56 | evanpro | gevaerts, yeah, they had a reunion get-together 11 years after the "big one" |
| 19:40.03 | evanpro | "This time it's personal" |
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| 19:41.26 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 20:12.27 | marti1125 | is here Nightrose |
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| 20:32.33 | qrng | I have problems exporting this http://www.presentationmagazine.com/nuclear-physics-science-template-427.htm particular example file to PDF, using OOo Impress. |
| 20:32.58 | qrng | Is that repeatable? |
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| 20:34.37 | qrng | In my case, that background picture from the first page repeats throughout the whole presentation, whereas it should have been replaced by the more unassuming image from the second page. |
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| 20:48.42 | minix3|straydawg | lo |
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| 20:53.48 | harlan | Our student projects do not seem to be shown on our org home page - http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2010/ntp - do I need to do something different? |
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| 20:55.38 | dhaun | harlan: yes, you need to create a homepage for your org - you're still using the default one that Melange created |
| 20:55.43 | dhaun | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/userguide#depth_homepage |
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| 20:57.18 | harlan | dhaun: thanks, and where did I miss the part about needing to re-do the org homepage? |
| 20:57.53 | dhaun | that was posted on the mentors list weeks ago - shortly after the orgs were accepted ... |
| 20:58.10 | harlan | that;s when I created the other one. |
| 20:58.27 | harlan | Hmmm, I thought these were the steps I used back then, too. |
| 20:58.58 | dhaun | that url you gave looks like the default homepage that Melange creates from the data from the application form |
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| 20:59.03 | dhaun | maybe you missed a step? |
| 20:59.15 | harlan | NO idea. |
| 20:59.53 | harlan | but thanks, and I'm hoping that "the right people" are seeing this, and then this becomes easier next hear. |
| 20:59.57 | harlan | year |
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| 21:00.39 | kblin | !bugs |
| 21:00.39 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list, you can file a new bug at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry |
| 21:00.52 | harlan | was that a hint to me kblin? |
| 21:00.58 | kblin | harlan: file a bug there, don't complain here and hope the melange people see it |
| 21:01.02 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:01.03 | harlan | :) |
| 21:01.05 | harlan | thx |
| 21:01.19 | kblin | no problem :) |
| 21:02.13 | minix3|straydawg | hi ntpharlan |
| 21:02.22 | minix3|straydawg | (we met at the last two gsocs :)) |
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| 21:02.56 | harlan | hey minix3|straydawg - I'm pretty sure I remember! |
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| 21:03.05 | minix3|straydawg | oh that's a pleasant surprise :-) |
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| 21:13.00 | harlan | dhaun: that did it - thanks! |
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| 21:31.50 | robbyoconnor | carols: friend doesnrt wanna do it :( |
| 21:32.04 | mkarnicki | pjlantz: hey pjlantz! |
| 21:32.05 | Ivanovic | carols: i assume that the students will get a mail to the students list once they can alter and fix the topics/abstracts of their proposals, right? |
| 21:32.08 | carols | robbyoconnor: i'm sorry, i missed something? |
| 21:32.31 | Ivanovic | carols: that is billynux wanted to add an url to the verison of his proposal in our wiki today but was not able since edits ain't working |
| 21:32.41 | robbyoconnor | carols: no |
| 21:32.50 | robbyoconnor | the google office hosting :< |
| 21:32.51 | Ivanovic | (and we got one proposal where title and abstract say *nothing* about the project) |
| 21:33.08 | mkarnicki | pjlantz: just wanted to say hi, I have a test at 8 AM tomorrow ;) |
| 21:33.23 | carols | Ivanovic: yes, i'll have the melange guys send out a note |
| 21:33.23 | Ivanovic | ups, was gabba who tried to edit things |
| 21:33.28 | carols | robbyoconnor: ah, ok. sorry to hear that |
| 21:33.31 | Ivanovic | carols: thanks |
| 21:33.49 | robbyoconnor | I did ask if he knew anybody though |
| 21:33.51 | pjlantz | mkarnicki: hey, so ready for it ? :) |
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| 21:34.35 | Ivanovic | otherwise visitors of the wesnoth page will have no idea what this proposal really is about... |
| 21:34.38 | Ivanovic | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/wesnoth/t127230764281 |
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| 21:34.55 | Ivanovic | hmm, i think tomorrow i should write a new on the wesnoth homepage announcing the accepted students and projects |
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| 21:36.17 | mkarnicki | pjlantz: me and my friend, Carlberg, are working on it ;D |
| 21:36.24 | mkarnicki | *Carlsberg |
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| 21:44.20 | robbyoconnor | Ivanovic: how did he get selected? |
| 21:44.38 | Ivanovic | robbyoconnor: his proposal is basically a "my proposal is at" case |
| 21:44.46 | Ivanovic | and that one is good and his communications are great |
| 21:44.55 | Ivanovic | it is just the title and abstract in the google tracker that really suck |
| 21:45.13 | robbyoconnor | oh |
| 21:45.14 | robbyoconnor | ok |
| 21:45.19 | robbyoconnor | what is your project? |
| 21:45.20 | robbyoconnor | lol |
| 21:45.29 | Ivanovic | this one is his real proposal: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerofCode_Timotei21 |
| 21:46.11 | Ivanovic | though the most important part of his proposal is of course the extensive communication with him over the application period, this can be found in our irc logs |
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| 21:47.50 | Ivanovic | basically we left our students the choice, they could put everything of their application into our wiki and just link this in the tracker or do enter everything in the google tracker |
| 21:48.08 | Ivanovic | and yeah, for us the wiki is the better place, since then some stuff can be adjusted later on where required |
| 21:48.41 | Ivanovic | (of course we have mentioned that we don't expect them to enter personal information in the wiki, this could easily have gone into the google tracker if they wanted to keep that private) |
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| 21:49.49 | Ivanovic | robbyoconnor: as you see, the proposal is a little more than plain "will code for you if you give money and shirt!!!", just a bad abstract |
| 21:53.07 | Ivanovic | okay, again time for me to head off to bed, n8 |
| 21:53.25 | erlehmann_ | Ivanovic, this proposal is really detailed o.0 |
| 21:53.35 | Ivanovic | erlehmann_: ehm, no, it is not... |
| 21:53.57 | erlehmann_ | that in the wiki ? |
| 21:53.58 | erlehmann_ | it seems to be |
| 21:54.06 | Ivanovic | this one is detailed: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GSoC-WesnothWhiteboard_Gabba |
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| 21:56.40 | Ivanovic | we get proposals of this quality basically every year |
| 21:56.46 | erlehmann_ | s.0 |
| 21:57.10 | Ivanovic | (though yeah, not all are this good, but many, since we do spend quite some time providing feedback for the student proposals as well as answering questions) |
| 21:57.27 | robbyoconnor | Ivanovic: his proposal scares me |
| 21:57.41 | Ivanovic | robbyoconnor: okay, let me really scare you, just a second... |
| 21:58.06 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: it scares me even more.. |
| 21:58.13 | Ivanovic | take this one to get really scared: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab |
| 21:58.32 | Ivanovic | student from last year who really has done a *great* job on a huge project (yeah, really a *huge* one) |
| 21:58.52 | Ivanovic | he is now one of our core devs, our "one dev to smite all bugs" as well as a mentor in SoC1020 for us |
| 21:58.57 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: omfgoogle.. |
| 21:59.07 | mkarnicki | this is impressive |
| 21:59.32 | robbyoconnor | I sort "AI" and my body left my clothes |
| 21:59.45 | robbyoconnor | that sounds wrong |
| 22:00.02 | mkarnicki | that's like.. he knew he'd get accepted. hell, he'd get to your core dev team, sooner or later :D |
| 22:00.10 | Ivanovic | yes, we get many *really* impressive proposals every year |
| 22:00.27 | Ivanovic | mkarnicki: in general it is damn easy to get commit access with us |
| 22:00.38 | Ivanovic | two or three non trival patches and you got full developer status |
| 22:00.38 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: I'm sorry to be ignorant, but this game, is this really so popular? |
| 22:00.54 | Ivanovic | we got more than 3 million downloads via sf.net now |
| 22:01.05 | Ivanovic | and at basically any time there are >100 players on the official servers |
| 22:01.07 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: in a sense, that's great. especially, when u see such people coming to you, right? |
| 22:01.12 | robbyoconnor | Ivanovic: do any of these really impressive ones fail? |
| 22:01.21 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: O_O |
| 22:01.41 | schumaml | all of our support staff at work play Wesnoth |
| 22:01.49 | Ivanovic | robbyoconnor: two years ago 50% of our students failed (okay, 2 out of 4) and last year one student failed (though only due to personal problems) |
| 22:01.57 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: I feel like I belong to another world. these numbers are crazy.. |
| 22:02.00 | schumaml | the turn-based gameplay fits their "wiating for next call" workflow |
| 22:02.29 | robbyoconnor | that's... |
| 22:02.39 | Ivanovic | okay, the stats from the last weekend are not really good since we had some server probs after a ram upgrade |
| 22:02.48 | Ivanovic | http://www.wesnoth.org/cgi-bin/drraw/drraw.cgi?Mode=view;Dashboard=1243000622.8386;View=1;Filter= |
| 22:03.52 | Ivanovic | mkarnicki: and yeah, it is really great to see the potential many students show every year in SoC |
| 22:03.52 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: :) |
| 22:03.52 | mkarnicki | this is lovely |
| 22:03.52 | robbyoconnor | u feel sick |
| 22:04.17 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: I know turn-based games are quite popular. and though I'm not a fan of them, when I see the numbers, I really get speechless |
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| 22:04.38 | Ivanovic | we are probably one of the biggest open source games out there |
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| 22:04.47 | robbyoconnor | you know what a cool game is |
| 22:04.50 | robbyoconnor | Hdgewars :) |
| 22:04.54 | robbyoconnor | Hedgewars |
| 22:05.22 | Ivanovic | and hey, having a 270MB source tarball for a 2D turn based strategy game is huge, too |
| 22:05.47 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: I'll have a look at that |
| 22:06.01 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: I mean screenshots, I quite don't have time for gaming ;) |
| 22:06.12 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: dang.. that's pretty much indeed |
| 22:06.48 | Ivanovic | though what i think is *really* impressive is the number of contributors we got: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Credits |
| 22:07.06 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: hahah, actually 'worms' like games are the one I like. I know I said something opposite a moment ago ;) |
| 22:07.25 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: /me having a peek |
| 22:07.44 | mkarnicki | omg.. |
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| 22:07.59 | schumaml | Ivanovic: all of them active contributors? |
| 22:08.05 | Ivanovic | schumaml: no |
| 22:08.14 | Ivanovic | just a tiny fraction is currently active |
| 22:08.21 | schumaml | heh |
| 22:08.23 | mkarnicki | you've got 15 translators from my country :) Poland, that is |
| 22:08.32 | Ivanovic | and especially regarding translations you don't know how many are actively working at the moment |
| 22:08.42 | mkarnicki | schumaml: Ivanovic said, it's easy to get commit access |
| 22:08.49 | Ivanovic | but considering the amount of text we got... |
| 22:08.59 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: all in all, it *is* impressive as for a turn based game. really. |
| 22:09.03 | schumaml | Ivanovic: our experience is that such lists are dangerous, because people assume that all of them are active and thus development should be much faster than it is |
| 22:09.05 | Ivanovic | (yes, i consider that we got about as much text, maybe even more, than eg in kde) |
| 22:09.58 | mkarnicki | installs hedgewars ;> |
| 22:10.07 | Ivanovic | schumaml: if someone thinks that we are to slow, i recommend sending in patches |
| 22:10.09 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 22:11.12 | Landon | mkarnicki: heh, fancy that, I was researching worms games earlier :p |
| 22:11.27 | Landon | did a not-so-fun 20pg paper on dynamic terrain |
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| 22:12.24 | Ivanovic | anyway, really time for my bed... |
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| 22:16.24 | robbyoconnor | Landon: did you get in? |
| 22:16.34 | Landon | didn't apply |
| 22:16.49 | Landon | going to be working with KDD and trying to make an autonomous helicopter over the summer |
| 22:17.03 | Landon | is going to completely pwn the schools open house next year... |
| 22:17.05 | robbyoconnor | :( |
| 22:17.19 | robbyoconnor | for pay? |
| 22:17.43 | mkarnicki | Landon: wow, about that 20pg, nice ;) |
| 22:18.00 | Dark_Shikari | Landon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq_-Gf9rXhE ? |
| 22:18.04 | mkarnicki | Ivanovic: have a good night :) |
| 22:18.04 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
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| 22:18.25 | Landon | Dark_Shikari: why am I installing flash to watch this :P |
| 22:18.35 | Landon | must admit he's intrigued |
| 22:19.11 | Dark_Shikari | Landon: lol |
| 22:19.21 | Dark_Shikari | It's the best possible use of a remote control helicopter ;) |
| 22:19.29 | Landon | haha |
| 22:19.30 | gevaerts | tells Landon about youtube download tools |
| 22:19.36 | mkarnicki | Dark_Shikari: hhheheheh |
| 22:19.43 | Landon | gevaerts: I'd have to have downloaded those too :P on a public computer |
| 22:19.59 | Landon | http://courses.cit.cornell.edu/ee476/FinalProjects/s2006/rg242/webpage/ece%20476.htm |
| 22:20.04 | Landon | similar to that |
| 22:20.07 | Landon | but preferably untethered |
| 22:21.31 | Landon | got so frustrated at the rc helicopter he had because of the fiddly control |
| 22:21.40 | Landon | this is my revenge |
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| 22:22.17 | mkarnicki | have a good night guys, I'm out :) |
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| 22:39.22 | ded | carols, hello |
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| 22:46.47 | ded | carols, pls do you have a template for the offer letter ? thnks |
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| 23:45.45 | carldani | hi |
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| 23:46.24 | carldani | Can I unsubscribe from the GSoC student mailing list without missing important announcements from Google? |
| 23:46.26 | alexandru | is the GSoC mailing list blocking attachments of any and all sorts? |
| 23:46.39 | carldani | alexandru: I hope so. |
| 23:46.40 | alexandru | heh 2 ML questions at the same time :) |
| 23:46.55 | carldani | alexandru: yes |
| 23:47.03 | carldani | it's somewhat funny |
| 23:47.13 | alexandru | hmm unfortunate. must've dropped my message cause it had a PGP/MIME attc |
| 23:47.41 | carldani | (the "yes" referred to the 2 ML questions statement, and was not an answer for your question) |
| 23:47.48 | carldani | in case this was unclear |
| 23:48.00 | alexandru | no, i got it, thanks :) |
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| 23:48.46 | carldani | alexandru: To be honest, I fear that someone will eventually mail a powerpoint presentation containing a lolcate video to the mailing list. |
| 23:49.22 | alexandru | oh i understand the implications, i wasn't sure if it filters on all or has a whitelist of types allowed |
| 23:49.33 | carldani | Ah right. |
| 23:49.34 | alexandru | not that one couldn't forge that information |
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| 23:58.52 | carldani | oh well, I'll ask on the mailing list and increase traffic that way. |
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