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| 00:00.36 | ojwb | carldani: what a number of people do is just to file away any mail which isn't from @google.com or a small whitelist |
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| 00:03.26 | carldani | ojwb: hm. I am subscribed to way too many mailing lists already, and I started to send all non-interesting mail to /dev/null without warning. |
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| 00:04.31 | carldani | Besides that, Google won't let me sign in to change subscription options with the login I used for GSoC, so I'm very interested of getting rid of that list. |
| 00:04.56 | carldani | ojwb: Your suggestion does have merit. |
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| 00:11.14 | carldani | Good night everyone! |
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| 03:01.20 | ashish_mittal | hay all |
| 03:01.38 | ashish_mittal | im a gsoc accepted student |
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| 03:03.11 | ashish_mittal | i got an invitation for mailing list, but when i was redirected to the page , it displayed i cannot join the list. It is for invitees only |
| 03:03.18 | ashish_mittal | can anyone help me out |
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| 03:11.47 | ojwb | ashish_mittal: it seems the invite is specific to the email address you used in the webapp |
| 03:12.10 | ojwb | so try being signed into a google account for that address rather than any other google accounts you may have |
| 03:13.06 | ojwb | if that doesn't work, the best bet is to email them at: |
| 03:13.08 | ojwb | !contact |
| 03:13.08 | socinfo | Error: "contact" is not a valid command. |
| 03:13.11 | ojwb | hmm |
| 03:13.55 | blast007 | !support |
| 03:13.55 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
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| 03:13.57 | blast007 | that one? |
| 03:14.04 | ojwb | yes, thanks |
| 03:14.07 | blast007 | :) |
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| 03:18.04 | ded | Hello |
| 03:18.26 | ded | anyone in US with J1 or F1 visa ? |
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| 03:31.55 | ashish_mittal | thanks a ton |
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| 04:05.31 | asmeurer_ | Sweet! My blog post about being accepted into GSoC is at the top of the Python org page blogroll. |
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| 04:08.09 | ded | asmeurer_, url? |
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| 04:17.19 | asmeurer_ | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/python |
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| 04:53.51 | raphael | !next |
| 04:53.51 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) STOP BUGGING ME! |
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| 06:15.32 | kblin | morning thebolt |
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| 06:42.16 | rohitr | !next |
| 06:42.17 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) STOP BUGGING ME! |
| 06:42.59 | kblin | !forget next 2 |
| 06:42.59 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:43.41 | robbyoconnor | kblin: that was me, i'll stop |
| 06:43.41 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 06:43.52 | robbyoconnor | wag your finger at me |
| 06:44.01 | robbyoconnor | beat me with a rolled up newspaper |
| 06:44.47 | thebolt | robbyoconnor: what is your problem with people using the bot? it is there to be used ffs :P |
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| 06:44.59 | thebolt | hi kblin , how do you do today? |
| 06:45.07 | robbyoconnor | thebolt: it gets old quick |
| 06:45.17 | kblin | robbyoconnor: it's neither helpful nor funny, so I removed it |
| 06:45.23 | kblin | shrugs |
| 06:45.41 | robbyoconnor | kblin: wasn't meant to be helpful nor funny |
| 06:45.43 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 06:47.16 | ojwb | feels that people do rather overuse some factoids |
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| 06:47.31 | ojwb | it's not like you should expect !next to change every day |
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| 06:48.16 | ojwb | but adding semi-abusive stuff to the replies isn't really likely to change that |
| 06:48.31 | robbyoconnor | it's just that !next was being used DAILY... and I'm pretty sure it wasn't new users. |
| 06:48.43 | robbyoconnor | People should pay attention the timeline.. seriously |
| 06:48.45 | robbyoconnor | </rant> |
| 06:48.53 | ojwb | it was, but ranting won't change that |
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| 06:50.21 | ojwb | and although some projects tend to be somewhat ranty, we don't really want to encourage that here where a lot of people are learning about FOSS |
| 06:50.26 | smtms | if !next would return a link to the timeline... |
| 06:50.43 | ojwb | smtms: if only there was a way to change it... |
| 06:51.17 | ojwb | but we get nearly as many !timeline requests |
| 06:52.29 | robbyoconnor | !learn !next as For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 06:52.30 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:52.33 | robbyoconnor | !next |
| 06:52.33 | socinfo | "next" is The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24. |
| 06:52.41 | robbyoconnor | !learn next as For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 06:52.42 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:52.45 | ojwb | !!next |
| 06:52.45 | socinfo | "!next" is For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 06:52.45 | robbyoconnor | !forget !next |
| 06:52.47 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:52.55 | robbyoconnor | !next |
| 06:52.56 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 06:53.09 | robbyoconnor | informative? |
| 06:53.29 | ojwb | not abusive at least! |
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| 06:54.41 | kblin | thebolt: doing fine, catching up with my todo list, while waiting for ubuntu to install |
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| 06:55.22 | kblin | thebolt: as my install tends to fail on the last step, there seems to be no really quick way to try... if it fails again, though, I'm getting a server install cd and will retry with that |
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| 06:56.57 | rohitr | btw I used next precisely to piss robby off :D |
| 06:58.00 | thebolt | kblin: :) I've been too busy lately to write a todo-list :P |
| 06:59.11 | kblin | thebolt: I spent sunday-tuesday sitting in talks |
| 06:59.37 | robbyoconnor | punches rohitr |
| 06:59.41 | robbyoconnor | I did that to piss rohitr off :) |
| 07:00.10 | thebolt | kblin: ok :) |
| 07:00.21 | rohitr | I had my shield on |
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| 07:01.06 | robbyoconnor | I hate you rohitr |
| 07:01.26 | thebolt | chill out guys/girls :) |
| 07:01.41 | robbyoconnor | rohitr: I'm from NY -- I knock people like you over if I ever find myself in NYC. :) |
| 07:01.46 | robbyoconnor | tourists :) |
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| 07:02.33 | mlankhorst | moin |
| 07:03.06 | thebolt | hi mlankhorst |
| 07:03.52 | rohitr | robbyconnor: I am from India. Do you have any clue how many NYians we rob and con everyday? :P |
| 07:04.13 | kblin | ok, enough with that |
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| 07:04.52 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I'm only half serious |
| 07:04.57 | kblin | go play in another channel please, this is getting annoying |
| 07:05.18 | robbyoconnor | I'll go invade ##gsoc-india |
| 07:05.27 | ojwb | robbyoconnor: you've actually become more irritating than the overuse factoids... |
| 07:05.47 | robbyoconnor | ojwb: you dont know me do you :) |
| 07:05.48 | ojwb | overused |
| 07:06.10 | *** mode/#gsoc [+q robbyoconnor!*@*] by mlankhorst |
| 07:06.20 | ojwb | pardon? |
| 07:06.36 | kblin | man |
| 07:07.08 | kblin | I wonder if there's a support channel for advanced problems with ubuntu |
| 07:07.15 | mlankhorst | nope :( |
| 07:07.20 | mlankhorst | they redefine 'advanced' |
| 07:07.40 | rohitr | lol |
| 07:08.10 | kblin | my crypto/lvm install works using the guided partitioning, but I don't want to keep my VMs on a crypto disk |
| 07:08.44 | kblin | if I manually set up the partitions so I have an unencrypted data partition, the grub setup fails |
| 07:08.46 | ojwb | kblin: #debian-devel will be glad to assist I'm sure |
| 07:09.18 | kblin | ojwb: not if I want to keep using ubuntu, I'm sure |
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| 09:39.40 | __goo__ | clea |
| 09:40.14 | __goo__ | Hi, any statistics on how many participated , how many accepted, accepted by country? |
| 09:40.34 | mlankhorst | at the end of year those statistics will be published |
| 09:40.46 | __goo__ | a rough idea? |
| 09:41.32 | mlankhorst | look for gsoc 2009 numbers? |
| 09:41.38 | mlankhorst | www.google.com/search |
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| 09:42.28 | __goo__ | :) ok |
| 09:42.52 | __goo__ | i was wondering what the diff was b/w 2009 and 2010 |
| 09:43.02 | __goo__ | mlankhorst, thanks neways |
| 09:43.05 | skbohra | journalist ? |
| 09:44.28 | rohitr | 1025 accepted. I think I read that somewhere, but not sure :) |
| 09:44.45 | mlankhorst | !accepted |
| 09:44.45 | socinfo | "accepted" is Accepted students are listed at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 |
| 09:45.22 | rohitr | and yes I now realize that you can export into CSV and count :) |
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| 09:45.40 | mlankhorst | or just wait, it says 1025 after it finished loading :) |
| 09:46.04 | __goo__ | rohitr, wanted to know no of submitted proposals ? (accepted or not) |
| 09:46.20 | ojwb | !numapps |
| 09:46.21 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
| 09:46.36 | rohitr | @mlankhorst: :) that is where I must have read it, then |
| 09:47.32 | rohitr | did orgs get nearly as many slots as last year? |
| 09:47.37 | Waren | yo |
| 09:48.01 | rohitr | Osgeo got just 10 this year :( . |
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| 10:00.44 | __goo__ | !numapps |
| 10:00.45 | socinfo | "numapps" is In 2010, 367 mentoring orgs applied and there were 5539 proposals submitted by students |
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| 10:01.03 | __goo__ | !accepted |
| 10:01.03 | socinfo | "accepted" is Accepted students are listed at http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 |
| 10:01.09 | __goo__ | !rejected :) |
| 10:01.10 | socinfo | Error: "rejected" is not a valid command. |
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| 10:30.01 | pauloricardomg | has anyone received the student group invitation yet? |
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| 10:30.59 | kai | !patience |
| 10:30.59 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 10:31.01 | rohitr | nope I dont think so |
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| 10:33.45 | stas` | hey, durinbot needs an update, still spamming about faqs and guides |
| 10:34.26 | ojwb | stas`: did you connect with the *exact* same username before? |
| 10:35.08 | stas` | ojwb: nope, is a secondary nickname |
| 10:35.21 | ojwb | stas`: well, that's why then... |
| 10:35.41 | stas` | hmm, i think we got over the faqs and guides phase :) |
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| 10:35.58 | ojwb | you'd be amazed how many questions are asked which are in the faq... |
| 10:36.11 | stas` | ok, my bad :| |
| 10:36.13 | ojwb | the guides aren't so relevant at this stage though |
| 10:36.26 | stas` | thats what i thought first |
| 10:36.33 | ojwb | I think it's run by durin, but he/she isn't here |
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| 10:46.17 | ihalip | pauloricardomg: i didn't receive an invitation either, but i've been added to the student mailing list |
| 10:47.15 | matek | hmm, what with planec-soc? It is exist? |
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| 11:03.22 | rohitr | ihalip: joined the students list without an invitation email! That sounds strange |
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| 11:04.08 | kai | shrugs |
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| 11:04.20 | kai | I seem to remember just being added myself |
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| 11:06.49 | ojwb | given the hassles people have reported with the invites, I wouldn't be surprised if they switched how they were doing them |
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| 11:10.36 | rohitr | Just checked http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list. Apparently I am still not a member. :| |
| 11:11.13 | ojwb | rohitr: we can't fix that |
| 11:11.47 | skbohra | rohitr: you havent missed anything yet, there will be enough of fun |
| 11:11.47 | ojwb | a little more patience might |
| 11:11.48 | rohitr | :ojwb Yes of course. I was merely informing that some people still havent been added, including me. |
| 11:11.58 | ojwb | we're more than aware of that |
| 11:12.41 | ojwb | appreciate the quite inbox while you still can! |
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| 11:23.22 | Jun | !next |
| 11:23.22 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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| 11:39.57 | maheshs | !bored |
| 11:39.58 | socinfo | Error: "bored" is not a valid command. |
| 11:40.58 | maheshs | !happy |
| 11:40.58 | socinfo | Error: "happy" is not a valid command. |
| 11:43.58 | mlankhorst | !botabuse |
| 11:43.58 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 11:50.13 | vineeth | hi |
| 11:50.33 | skbohra | you are late |
| 11:50.42 | skbohra | aah |
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| 12:37.18 | r0bby|android | pokes mlankhorst |
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| 12:40.27 | kai | r0bby|android: try to relax a little, ok? you're really more irritating than people asking !next every day |
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| 12:43.51 | r0bby|android | !next |
| 12:43.51 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 12:43.54 | r0bby|android | :) |
| 12:44.01 | r0bby|android | Teehee |
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| 12:53.39 | ojwb | doing something annoying as a joke doesn't make it less annoying |
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| 13:18.00 | mlankhorst | still noon here |
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| 13:25.10 | kdaks | hi is there a mail from goolgle about adding to the GSoC student mailing lits for accepted student? |
| 13:25.20 | kdaks | *google |
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| 13:28.43 | ojwb | kdaks: it's happening, be patient |
| 13:29.02 | kdaks | ojwb ok thanks :) |
| 13:29.04 | ojwb | they know who you are! |
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| 14:55.02 | RoAkSoAx | hi all... I was wondering when/where the documentation on how to request documents to obtain CPT will be available |
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| 14:56.07 | danderson | later, watch your email. |
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| 14:58.38 | RoAkSoAx | danderson, ok thanks |
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| 15:14.38 | rohitr | I was just wondering; why would Google stagger the invites for the student mailing list. Why not send them all at the same time ? |
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| 15:19.21 | dberkholz | it's probably a matter of a human typing in data |
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| 15:23.47 | ojwb | it might be so if there is a problem they aren't overwhelmed |
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| 15:25.55 | rohitr | aha plausible! But dberkholz, I think Google has robots to type in data ;) |
| 15:26.38 | asmeurer | guys, the Google Groups servers aren't the fastest in the world |
| 15:27.09 | rohitr | :O 1025 new entries is not exactly a heavy workload |
| 15:28.18 | asmeurer | no, but it can take some time to clear the queue |
| 15:28.28 | ojwb | not days though |
| 15:28.58 | rohitr | 1025 entries shouldn't even take a second?? |
| 15:29.18 | rohitr | I think ojwb was right in saying they stagger it so that they can control errors |
| 15:29.23 | ojwb | they may limit the rate at which you can bulk subscribe addresses to a group (to avoid spam), though you'd think they could waive that for internal use |
| 15:30.09 | skbohra | rohitr: which project ? |
| 15:30.18 | rohitr | aha but if the owner is inviting people to his own group, shouldn't they allow that? |
| 15:30.30 | rohitr | skbohra: Mapguide Opensource |
| 15:30.42 | ded | Hello |
| 15:31.08 | ojwb | (1) spammer creates list (2) spammer bulk subscribes 1000 addresses (3) spammer sends mail to list (4) Google delete list, but damage is done... |
| 15:31.49 | skbohra | discussing here makes no point , imho |
| 15:32.05 | ojwb | not a lot, we can only really speculate |
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| 15:32.12 | ojwb | discuss it on the student mailing list! |
| 15:32.19 | rohitr | of course it doesnt, but we can discuss anyway? Can't we? |
| 15:32.28 | danderson | may I humbly suggest that you're currently building theories grounded on a worse than wild guess |
| 15:32.37 | danderson | and that it's a complete waste of time that could be spent hacking |
| 15:32.44 | skbohra | +1 |
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| 15:32.55 | asmeurer | personally, I am not to sad about it, because it means the wave of "hello world" emails is offset for one more day |
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| 15:33.32 | danderson | feel free to keep talking, as long as you're aware that you are in fact turning into the tech equivalent of a committee deciding whether or not the company pens should have the full company phone number on them |
| 15:33.36 | skbohra | i am sure, hanging around on org's irc is even more useful |
| 15:33.51 | piyushmishra | :P |
| 15:33.52 | piyushmishra | :) |
| 15:34.13 | skbohra | danderson: good one |
| 15:34.35 | rohitr | for the record, I dont have anything to do right now, except a term ending exam tomorrow :) |
| 15:35.41 | skbohra | Ok@ |
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| 15:35.52 | piyushmishra | rohit what org had you applied for? |
| 15:36.08 | skbohra | Mapguide Opensource |
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| 15:45.49 | bawr | Ah, bikeshed discussions. :) |
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| 15:53.29 | darklrd | hello any1 online? |
| 15:53.41 | piyushmishra | ya |
| 15:53.48 | piyushmishra | :) |
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| 15:54.25 | BarryCarlyon | No. |
| 15:54.30 | darklrd | my gsoc proposal has been accepted.. can i participate in codejam simultaneously? |
| 15:55.17 | piyushmishra | danderson ping |
| 15:56.05 | jbartosik | darklrd: probably you need to read some terms of use |
| 15:56.16 | danderson | piyushmishra: what |
| 15:56.21 | jbartosik | darklrd: and asking you org may b a good idea |
| 15:56.37 | jbartosik | it's just my guess tho' |
| 15:56.53 | piyushmishra | darklrd has a question i thought you would knw :) |
| 15:57.09 | danderson | "You are eligible if you meet the following requirements at the time of registration: |
| 15:57.12 | danderson | You are not a current employee/intern of Google Inc., an employee of any Google affiliate or subsidiary. |
| 15:57.16 | danderson | " |
| 15:57.24 | danderson | as a Google contractor during SoC, I believe this may disqualify you. |
| 15:57.25 | danderson | !support |
| 15:57.25 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 15:57.34 | danderson | email that address to have an authoritative answer |
| 15:57.41 | darklrd | they have mentioned that ppl doing intern in google can't participate |
| 15:57.54 | darklrd | is gsoc considered as intern? |
| 15:58.08 | svaksha | darklrd: yes, afaik |
| 15:58.34 | danderson | no |
| 15:58.35 | danderson | a contractor. |
| 15:58.37 | danderson | not an intern. |
| 15:58.42 | piyushmishra | i dnt think so |
| 15:58.48 | piyushmishra | :) |
| 15:58.51 | svaksha | ah |
| 15:58.55 | darklrd | so i wont be able to participate? |
| 15:58.56 | danderson | but that does make you a current employee of google, or a google affiliate or subsidiary |
| 15:59.11 | danderson | which makes you ineligible according to the rules of codejam |
| 15:59.13 | danderson | read what I said. |
| 15:59.15 | danderson | !support |
| 15:59.15 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 15:59.15 | piyushmishra | lol |
| 15:59.22 | piyushmishra | :) |
| 15:59.38 | danderson | email that address. That is where the authoritative answer is located. Asking here will get you only opinions, not answers. |
| 15:59.43 | darklrd | ok, thanx :) |
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| 16:11.19 | BarryCarlyon | I have an opinion! |
| 16:11.25 | BarryCarlyon | Your should email that address! |
| 16:12.03 | Jun | Does anyone get invited to the students talk list? |
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| 16:14.40 | ns3|alina | hello. I want to edit the style of the mentor/student list and gmap for an organization home page at appspot. Is here a good place to ask how to do this? |
| 16:15.21 | mlankhorst | no |
| 16:15.24 | mlankhorst | !melange |
| 16:15.24 | socinfo | "melange" is http://code.google.com/p/soc/ |
| 16:15.55 | ns3|alina | mlankhorst, socinfo: tnx |
| 16:16.14 | ns3|alina | bye |
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| 16:23.16 | lolfrenz | hey |
| 16:23.30 | lolfrenz | are our mentor's email addresses public yet? I can't seem to be able to find it |
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| 16:28.58 | schumaml | lolfrenz: from which point of view - student? |
| 16:29.09 | lolfrenz | schumaml, yes, sorry |
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| 16:31.02 | drt24 | Will the fact that although I have been invited to the GSoC students list I can't join it because the invite was sent to the 'wrong' email address (i.e. not one of my gmail ones) be a problem? BWIM will there be vital information sent using it? (I can't see anything on the FAQ about this and the gsoc-discuss list response is unfortunately wrong). |
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| 16:35.26 | jkwood | drt24: you can sign up using your email address as a google account, and request to have the invite sent there. |
| 16:35.38 | jkwood | I had to do that for the mentors list. |
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| 16:49.40 | kimelto | morning! |
| 16:51.02 | drt24 | jkwood: sign up to the sudents list? It is a little late to sign up to GSoC with a different email address? |
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| 16:53.06 | jkwood | drt24: I wouldn't think so. Send an email to the admin explaining the situation, and I'm sure that they'll be happy to resend the invite. |
| 16:53.20 | jkwood | It's easy to sign up for a google account using any email address you'd like. |
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| 17:00.02 | drt24 | ok. I already have several gmail accounts and I don't really want to accumulate any more :-) |
| 17:00.05 | drt24 | thank you. |
| 17:02.11 | jkwood | No problem. |
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| 17:06.25 | bawr | Oh, also - if any students from Poland want to have a chat in our beautiful language, a few bored souls started #gsoc-pl. :) |
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| 17:17.17 | carols | serves some tea and cookies for everyone |
| 17:17.57 | Catfish_Man | sips his tea dainti--who am I kidding. |
| 17:18.04 | Catfish_Man | gulps his life-giving nectar down |
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| 17:21.44 | brik | cookies! |
| 17:21.50 | gevaerts | drinks some tea |
| 17:22.00 | gevaerts | gives carols some stroopwafels :) |
| 17:22.11 | carols | munches stroopwafels |
| 17:22.13 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
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| 17:25.04 | Rostislav | Is there anyone from Russia? Russkie est' kogo prinyali? Íàøèì ëþäÿì - çàéäèòå êî ìíå ÷òî ëè, ïîîáùàåìñÿ! |
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| 17:28.22 | mkarnicki | carols: Is it still normal I'm not invited to the student mailing list? |
| 17:28.39 | carols | mkarnicki: yes, please have patience. there are 1,000s of you and only 1 of me |
| 17:28.40 | carols | :-) |
| 17:28.53 | carols | it will happen, i promise. |
| 17:28.58 | mkarnicki | carols: sure thing, just checking. i have loads of patience :) |
| 17:28.59 | gevaerts | clones carols |
| 17:29.08 | carols | gevaerts: don't i wish :-) |
| 17:29.15 | carols | mkarnicki: thank you :-) |
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| 17:29.38 | mkarnicki | carols: no, thank you :)! |
| 17:30.11 | carols | :-) |
| 17:30.39 | gevaerts | carols: the big problem would of course be whether you have enough tea and cookies for more than one of you :) |
| 17:30.59 | carols | gevaerts: this is a good point, my friend. i can consume *a lot* of tea and cookies |
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| 17:32.09 | schumaml | [x] everyone bring some cookies for mentor summit |
| 17:33.10 | bawr | carols: wait, what. You're doing it manually? |
| 17:33.32 | carols | bawr: its a process I have to do with the Google Groups team since there's so many additions |
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| 17:34.30 | bawr | Ah. In that case, let me state my sentiments this way. carols->karma++; :) |
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| 17:34.56 | carols | :-) |
| 17:34.57 | carols | thank you |
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| 17:51.00 | mlankhorst | noon |
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| 17:53.16 | carols | mlankhorst: 1pm :-) |
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| 18:32.47 | jkwood | Portuguese people are from Portugal. |
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| 18:45.40 | bawr | It took a while, but finally my netbook sort of works well enough. |
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| 18:52.36 | mlankhorst | :) |
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| 19:13.49 | thebolt | hi carols |
| 19:13.56 | carols | hey thebolt, how's it going? |
| 19:14.33 | thebolt | carols: fair |
| 19:14.35 | thebolt | and you? |
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| 19:15.21 | carols | thebolt: fair as well. got too much to do and too little time to do it in, but what else is new? :-) |
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| 19:16.48 | bawr | carols: I don't get it. Why don't you just get cloned in the secret bio-vats? Or is it a clearance thing? :) |
| 19:17.13 | thebolt | carols: thats the story of my life ;) But at least I have learned what to prioritize and what not to prioritize nowdays :) |
| 19:17.25 | Jeff_S | carols: hi, sorry we missed you last week :) Any chance you'll be at OSBridge? |
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| 19:18.01 | carols | bawr: clearance, mostly. unfortunately we've had some...incidents. security's a little tighter now |
| 19:18.13 | carols | thebolt: good to hear. i'm trying to do the same. :-) |
| 19:18.24 | carols | Jeff_S: yes! in fact, i'll be speaking. im so excited |
| 19:18.53 | Jeff_S | carols: great! |
| 19:19.12 | Jeff_S | carols: I think most of the OSL staff (and likely many students) will be there |
| 19:19.13 | carols | Jeff_S: yes, im really looking forward to it. i <3 os bridge |
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| 19:35.26 | RoAkSoAx | carols, Quick question. In melange I've entered my @ubuntu.com as contact information. However, I'm registered to it with my @gmail.com address (log in). So I'm guessing that whenever I get subscribed to the Students Mailing List, I'll be subscribed with the @ubuntu.com address. Would it be possible to change that? |
| 19:35.49 | carols | RoAkSoAx: yes, thats fine. send me an email and i'll fix it for you |
| 19:36.04 | RoAkSoAx | carols, will do then. Thanks :) |
| 19:36.13 | carols | RoAkSoAx: yw. welcome to gsoc :-) |
| 19:36.31 | RoAkSoAx | carols, thank you :) |
| 19:36.37 | carols | :-) |
| 19:36.44 | kblin | hm, damn |
| 19:36.57 | carols | all hail kblin |
| 19:37.01 | kblin | I just realized I haven't done anything for _my_ talk next week |
| 19:37.05 | kblin | hi carols :) |
| 19:37.09 | carols | hey :-) |
| 19:37.25 | kblin | I blame it on android.. and python |
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| 19:37.42 | carols | kblin: a good policy, methinks |
| 19:37.51 | carols | :-P |
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| 19:38.22 | kblin | yeah.. if android (or rather bionic) was close enough to POSIX so Python would compile, I'd have something to talk about.. |
| 19:38.24 | bawr | Heh, all this talk about talks made me remember my local uni interest group is setting up a download thing for videos of our talks... I wonder if it'll be up this year. ;) |
| 19:38.50 | kblin | or if Python was a little easier to cross-compile |
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| 19:39.42 | thebolt | kblin: apparently takes som non-official patches to compile it at all on arm.. sucks |
| 19:39.49 | bawr | kblin: Does Android still use some weird shared memory thing instead of /etc/passwd, out of interest? |
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| 19:41.20 | kblin | bawr: dunno |
| 19:41.44 | kblin | thebolt: I think python compiles fine on arm |
| 19:42.07 | kblin | thebolt: however, I'm running a normal ubuntu install on all my arm systems, so I wouldn't know |
| 19:42.33 | kblin | "aptitude install python" is all it takes to get a working python there |
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| 19:43.20 | bawr | Why not apt-get? :) |
| 19:43.44 | jkwood | kblin: Remember, Ubuntu has no problem with patching the living daylights out of software to get it "running", official or not. |
| 19:43.55 | kblin | because I find the super cow powers icky |
| 19:44.10 | bawr | Ah, there's that. |
| 19:44.24 | thebolt | kblin: well, my co-worker had some problem compiling it |
| 19:44.25 | kblin | jkwood: I doubt they changed the debian upstream package |
| 19:44.34 | kblin | thebolt: natively? |
| 19:44.46 | jkwood | Same position there. |
| 19:44.58 | thebolt | kblin: apparently if you tell it to compile for ARM it assumes ARM11 or so (similar) and you had to have some patches for an ARM9 processor |
| 19:45.07 | kblin | jkwood: I don't care as long as it works :) |
| 19:45.11 | thebolt | kblin: well, what do you mean by "natively"? |
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| 19:45.21 | bawr | jkwood: Well, let me put it this way. Ubuntu's grep has -P, Debian's doesn't, at least not by default... that's kind of symptomatic. ;P |
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| 19:45.44 | kblin | thebolt: not cross-compiling to arm but compiling on the arm system itself |
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| 19:45.58 | thebolt | kblin: no, all our stuff is cross-compiled |
| 19:46.16 | thebolt | the ARM systems run on maybe 8 MB of flash, so don't want compiler on there |
| 19:46.31 | kblin | thebolt: well, positive on it being a huge pain to cross-compile |
| 19:46.59 | jkwood | kblin: It just makes it more difficult to track down just how they did it. |
| 19:47.11 | thebolt | kblin: thing is we use OpenEmbedded for most building which helps.. but for python it even took something more |
| 19:48.10 | kblin | jkwood: given that the android c library is pretty broken anyway, you have to fight on two fronts in any case |
| 19:48.40 | jkwood | Given. I haven't messed with it enough to know. |
| 19:49.12 | Dark_Shikari | jkwood: correction about ubuntu |
| 19:49.24 | Dark_Shikari | it has no problems with patching software to do _what they think it takes_ to get it running |
| 19:49.32 | Dark_Shikari | even if it already works fine and the only problem is their stupidity |
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| 19:49.36 | Dark_Shikari | ;) |
| 19:49.52 | thebolt | Dark_Shikari: i have a feeling you have an example for us? :P |
| 19:50.05 | Dark_Shikari | though this is both ubuntu and debian really |
| 19:50.11 | Dark_Shikari | and you know very well of a good debian example ;) |
| 19:50.40 | thebolt | heh, true |
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| 19:50.55 | jkwood | Dark_Shikari: I'm trying not to be inflammatory, but one of the reasons that I use Slackware instead is that it's not subject to the same kind of thing. ;) |
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| 19:52.02 | kblin | jkwood: guess bionics definition of "struct lcov" |
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| 19:53.00 | kblin | jkwood: or, to save you the googling, it's "struct lcov {};" |
| 19:53.25 | kblin | which is not quite right if you try to have i18n in your software |
| 19:53.28 | jkwood | Wow... |
| 19:54.16 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 20:37.33 | kblin | hm.. |
| 20:38.05 | kblin | I'm not sure I like kubuntu 10.04 any better |
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| 20:38.55 | bawr | kblin: Arrgh. That's... wow. |
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| 20:39.25 | kblin | yeah, no kidding. and I'm sure it's full of other traps like that |
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| 20:43.52 | mlankhorst | oo, awesome lcov struct :) |
| 20:46.17 | Kosma | what the... you can even make instance of it |
| 20:46.21 | Kosma | is puzzled |
| 20:49.00 | lolfrenz | as a student, when can I expect to be added to the student discussion list? also, is there any way I can find my mentor's email address? |
| 20:49.47 | mlankhorst | kblin: I don't like kubuntu 10.4 either, but I kinda have to watch the audio situation there, since ubuntu 9.10 literally broke pulseaudio in every way possible.. |
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| 20:51.11 | Kosma | still uses 9.04 in hope that 10.04 will not suffer from pulseaudio problems |
| 20:51.18 | Kosma | lolfrenz: google it |
| 20:52.01 | mlankhorst | they broke alsa->pulse, openal->pulse and even the pulse package itself :) |
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| 20:53.15 | gevaerts | lolfrenz: doesn't the org have mailing lists or irc channels? |
| 20:53.31 | dmj726_n9001 | mlankhorst: you mean the performance issue? |
| 20:54.01 | danderson | mlankhorst: not sure how you find it broke stff |
| 20:54.17 | mlankhorst | danderson: because i have to support it :\ |
| 20:54.23 | danderson | huh? |
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| 20:54.39 | mlankhorst | people filing bugs against wine for it |
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| 20:55.18 | danderson | oh |
| 20:55.22 | danderson | well, bleh |
| 20:55.32 | danderson | since 9.10, I haven't had the slightest problem out of linux sound |
| 20:55.40 | danderson | which is an amazing accomplishment, frankly :) |
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| 20:55.45 | mlankhorst | then you got really lucky |
| 20:56.29 | danderson | and yet I do try to mistreat it |
| 20:56.45 | danderson | I even use a git version of xmms2, with a pulse output plugin I wrote :) |
| 20:57.05 | dmj726_n9001 | 9.10 worked really well for sound except for some apps (music composition app in wine and blender alpha using openal) used lots of cpu. |
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| 20:57.52 | mlankhorst | actually it's worse, sound can get choppy and the only way to fix it is to restart pulseaudio, or disable sound card and re-enable it |
| 20:57.56 | dmj726_n9001 | ...and flash would sometimes go silent, but I blame flash. |
| 20:58.11 | danderson | flash and sound hate each other |
| 20:58.16 | danderson | but this has nothing to do with pulse :) |
| 20:58.58 | danderson | but it's nothing that a chrome can't cure (kill plugin, refresh page, pure sandboxed bliss) |
| 20:59.28 | dmj726_n9001 | I'm perfectly ready to see html5 with an open codec kill flash |
| 21:00.05 | danderson | it wouldn't kill flash |
| 21:00.41 | dmj726_n9001 | It's wishful thinking on my part. |
| 21:00.52 | danderson | it would eventually displace flash for audio/video playback, assuming the html5 spec works out right |
| 21:01.27 | dmj726_n9001 | games are a different story, but I care less about those. |
| 21:01.30 | danderson | but flash still has other uses |
| 21:01.35 | danderson | yeah, same here. |
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| 21:02.01 | danderson | (and a combination of canvas, audio and video may yet displace that use as well - but that'd take much longer) |
| 21:02.39 | Catfish_Man | dmj726_n9001: there *are* other uses of it... |
| 21:02.57 | Catfish_Man | I wrote a rather nice (imo) IM client in AS3/Flex |
| 21:03.16 | dmj726_n9001 | I suspect it would take html5 game engines/libraries/content creation software to supplant the games aspect. |
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| 21:03.47 | gevaerts | games don't need flash either if you have html5+ |
| 21:03.56 | gevaerts | Didn't you see the QuakeII demo? |
| 21:04.11 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: nothing needs anything except asm, if you want to be technical |
| 21:04.24 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: in a browser context :) |
| 21:04.45 | gevaerts | http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2010/04/look-ma-no-plugin.html |
| 21:05.06 | Catfish_Man | gevaerts: having written the same program in both JS+HTML+CSS and AS3+Flex, the latter was much much less painful |
| 21:05.45 | gevaerts | Catfish_Man: sure, but you don't have to. IIRC the quake thing is java compiled to JS with the GWT tools |
| 21:06.11 | kblin | hm, I wish the mute button would actually display notifications |
| 21:06.12 | Catfish_Man | sure. I'd love to see an as3->js translator |
| 21:06.23 | Catfish_Man | they're similar enough languages that it might not be *that* bad to write |
| 21:06.35 | dmj726_n9001 | I've never seen a browser do im well (compared to pidgin on my phone or desktop) |
| 21:06.59 | Catfish_Man | dmj726_n9001: sadly my project got canned |
| 21:07.07 | dmj726_n9001 | the last time I used a flash im client it was painful and ate my cpu for dinner. |
| 21:07.47 | ScottMac | carols: ping |
| 21:07.54 | carols | ScottMac: pong |
| 21:08.09 | dmj726_n9001 | pidgin has never used half my cpu, except momentarily when logging in on my phone. |
| 21:08.15 | ScottMac | one of our students was disqualified because they graduated prior to April 26th |
| 21:08.24 | ScottMac | what happens now |
| 21:08.24 | dmj726_n9001 | of course yours might be better |
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| 21:08.33 | carols | ScottMac: please email me :-) |
| 21:08.38 | Catfish_Man | dmj726_n9001: believe me, if it was what you describe, I would not be bragging |
| 21:08.41 | mlankhorst | danderson: audio plugins are easy though |
| 21:08.41 | ScottMac | what address? |
| 21:08.47 | Catfish_Man | dmj726_n9001: I'm quite obsessed with performance |
| 21:08.55 | carols | ScottMac: carols@google.com |
| 21:09.06 | ScottMac | ok its coming from macvicar@facebook.com |
| 21:09.18 | ScottMac | in case you have any secret blocks from us :P |
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| 21:09.36 | Catfish_Man | dmj726_n9001: regardless, these days I'm working far far away from the web, so all these things are distant memories :) |
| 21:09.42 | carols | ScottMac: no worries, ill keep a look out :-) |
| 21:10.14 | dmj726_n9001 | side note: pidgin is an excellent im client for mobile phones |
| 21:10.30 | dmj726_n9001 | *smartphones |
| 21:10.50 | mlankhorst | is there any im that allows you to webcam to google talk on linux? :p |
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| 21:11.24 | dmj726_n9001 | n900 with the new firmware I think. |
| 21:12.16 | dmj726_n9001 | or did you mean on the desktop? |
| 21:12.27 | mlankhorst | desktop |
| 21:12.42 | dmj726_n9001 | ah...not sure |
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| 21:13.04 | mlankhorst | i tried to write a plugin for the webmail to see how far i could get it on gmail.com, but i suspect i have to communicate with a flash plugin for it |
| 21:13.10 | dmj726_n9001 | my phone runs pulseaudio pretty well by the way |
| 21:13.14 | mlankhorst | else i probably would have hacked something up |
| 21:13.33 | smtms | "Down for unexpected maintenance." <- the webapp |
| 21:13.42 | dmj726_n9001 | seems they configured it right. |
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| 21:15.52 | ScottMac | carols: sent, thanks |
| 21:16.04 | carols | ScottMac: got it, thanks. ill followup in a few |
| 21:16.07 | dmj726_n9001 | so pulse performance can't be a universal issue |
| 21:16.31 | ScottMac | we'll probably take the student on as an intern here for a try out though |
| 21:16.50 | ScottMac | since he seemed pretty awesome and enthusiastic |
| 21:16.52 | carols | ScottMac: cool, good idea. |
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| 23:51.19 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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