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| 01:44.15 | fakenamefakemail | guys, i have a php file with $word = "cook"; in it. this file reads from another large file and is supposed to show me every line where "cook" is mentioned. however, right now its also outputting cookING and cookS and cookER. how can i make it stick to "cook" alone ? |
| 01:47.37 | robbyoconnor | fakenamefakemail: not a support channel |
| 01:47.44 | robbyoconnor | the channel you want is #php |
| 01:48.08 | robbyoconnor | sorry ##php |
| 01:48.57 | felipevieira | i was about to say that |
| 01:49.50 | robbyoconnor | fakenamefakemail: also might wanna learn PHP -- you probably have something going on w/ variable scoping |
| 01:49.50 | sreich | what's the difference? |
| 01:49.56 | sreich | all the clients I've used redirect anyways |
| 01:50.09 | robbyoconnor | sreich: freenode policy |
| 01:50.20 | robbyoconnor | besides, more direct. |
| 01:50.38 | sreich | policy? which specifies what? |
| 01:50.47 | sreich | well, you could have saved time typing or thinking about it :) |
| 01:51.59 | robbyoconnor | sreich: channels which are not "official" are to have two "#" in front of the name; one "#" denotes an "official" channel. |
| 01:52.11 | sreich | ah ok |
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| 04:37.28 | rohitr | guys you were right, gsoc-students-list is a big load of spam!!! But how? |
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| 04:37.45 | rohitr | These students were selected. Shouldn't they know better? |
| 04:37.45 | mbait_ | hi there |
| 04:37.59 | rohitr | hey |
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| 04:38.06 | ojwb | the mentors list isn't great at times either |
| 04:38.10 | ojwb | and they really should know better |
| 04:38.24 | mbait_ | is that normal that students write "hello! I am from <country_name>" to students private mailing list? |
| 04:38.43 | ojwb | well, I've never been subscribed, but I think so |
| 04:39.09 | mbait_ | it is annoying a bit =( |
| 04:39.11 | rohitr | No, I don't think most people appreciate it, including me. |
| 04:39.14 | rohitr | yeah |
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| 04:40.00 | ojwb | it's good they are enthusiastic and excited, but there are better ways to direct it |
| 04:40.02 | mbait_ | It seems that those guys never heard about mailing lists or don't know what it is for... |
| 04:40.11 | ojwb | i think many people haven't |
| 04:40.19 | ojwb | web forums and twitter... |
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| 04:45.15 | rohitr | ohh you really can't appeal to their "newness". I am a "newbie" to the OSS world in the contributor sense, but surely a bit of common sense that your mail " Hi I am Justie Bieber from United States" is going to 3000+ mailboxes. |
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| 04:46.39 | rohitr | some of whom have attention disorders and jump up everytime they see an email notification ;) |
| 04:48.29 | ojwb | but the twitter mentality seems to be to broadcast every thought |
| 04:48.58 | ojwb | "release early, release often" applied to thinking, as Glyn Moody put it |
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| 04:49.06 | tridactyla | i'm amazed that in just 3 hours a thread accumulated with ~30 people telling us where they were from |
| 04:49.27 | ojwb | and once people see 30 people have done it, they join in |
| 04:49.44 | ojwb | 2 years ago we had a huge "introductions" thread on the mentors list |
| 04:50.00 | skbohra_ | i think gsoc is more like a festival ;) |
| 04:50.07 | ojwb | and there are more mentors than students (co-mentors, some mentors don't have students assigned) |
| 04:51.15 | thebolt | i don't regret my decision not to get nay mails from gsoc mailing lists but to read them online (web-archive) |
| 04:51.17 | skbohra_ | can i sign up as a co mentor now ? |
| 04:51.26 | skbohra_ | i think i cant |
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| 05:45.04 | dholbach | good morning |
| 05:45.15 | alexandru | that's relative |
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| 06:16.51 | firc | too much traffic on the list :/ |
| 06:17.14 | firc | i hope people get settled down soon. |
| 06:17.50 | robbyoconnor | firc: go abridged or web-only |
| 06:18.08 | robbyoconnor | it won't slow down |
| 06:18.25 | robbyoconnor | I've been around for 3 years and learned this |
| 06:18.35 | firc | robbyoconnor: yeah thinking so too. I was only added yesterday I think. I check my email in the morning, and lo! The mails are still coming in |
| 06:19.16 | robbyoconnor | firc: here's the mentality: "OHHH a mailing list!!!! let's send stupid shit repeatedly to over 3,000 people!" |
| 06:19.52 | firc | maybe some of them have never used a mailing list? |
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| 06:20.26 | firc | They should send a "General mailing list ettiquetes" mail when they add students in or something like that. |
| 06:20.41 | firc | *etiquettes |
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| 06:32.50 | alexandru | firc: have you seen those working well on forums? or digg/reddit/wherever? |
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| 06:33.31 | alexandru | there's no guide for common sense. 1000+ people on the ML. we're all supposedly computer people, so we should be able to do the simple math on that... |
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| 06:35.19 | thebolt | hi |
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| 07:02.28 | rohitr | People are chatting one-to-one on the list!!!! Baah! |
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| 07:07.42 | Kosma | alexandru: 5% ignorants/idiots is still 50 people |
| 07:09.01 | skbohra_ | wondering about those orgs :) |
| 07:09.02 | alexandru | accounting for ~100% of the traffic so far |
| 07:09.12 | rohitr | lol I think I pissed off some Chinese guys! My google account password was changed :( |
| 07:09.46 | skbohra_ | if you use gmail , just mute those threads |
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| 07:09.50 | skbohra_ | and you are good to go |
| 07:09.51 | rohitr | is that even possible!! How can somebody do that? |
| 07:10.00 | alexandru | rohitr: best to keep quiet and >/dev/null |
| 07:10.33 | skbohra_ | rohir: more actions-> mute |
| 07:10.44 | rohitr | alexandru : Should I do something about it? I mean my password was changed!!! |
| 07:11.02 | rohitr | skbohra: Yeah I wasnt talking about that, I know how to do that :) |
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| 07:11.36 | alexandru | you can contact google support if you think that's really the case. they usually x-ref IPs, so as long as it was sufficiently far from where you usually hang out, they might reset it |
| 07:11.47 | alexandru | or you've already recovered the account? |
| 07:11.49 | skbohra_ | rohitr: then use it :0 |
| 07:11.52 | rohitr | I just reset it myself |
| 07:11.56 | kblin | rohitr: well, several possibilities come to mind |
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| 07:12.33 | alexandru | rohitr: the weakest link is always the security question. if it's something someone can find out with a google search and maybe a phone call, you're not far from getting owned hard |
| 07:13.08 | rohitr | alexandru:yeah its not a google search away :) |
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| 07:13.42 | rohitr | maybe I should contact google support, I think this is serious |
| 07:15.00 | alexandru | any other services you use the same handle and password on, but with lower security standards than gmail? that's an avenue... |
| 07:15.25 | alexandru | doesn't gmail do a thing where they log what IPs were logged into your account? or is that a Labs feature? |
| 07:15.30 | ojwb | or less worryingly, was capslock on? |
| 07:15.57 | LawnGnome | alexandru: Yep, GMail has that. No need for Labs. |
| 07:16.17 | alexandru | ojwb: hah, good point |
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| 07:16.38 | alexandru | LawnGnome: good to know, thanks. i rarely hit the web interface nowadays but i remember reading about that |
| 07:17.47 | rohitr | ojwb: I checked the caps lock , of course. The ip logs dont show anything, maybe it was something else. <paranoid me > :) |
| 07:18.44 | rohitr | or somebody playing a prank. I live in a dorm with my door open all the time. |
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| 07:21.58 | LawnGnome | People in a university/college environment would never be that immature. I mean, I know nothing about the Facebook status update of one of my friends last week that implied he loved certain farm animals. *whistles* |
| 07:22.51 | rohitr | is laughing |
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| 07:23.08 | alexandru | LawnGnome: i think you shouldn't presuppose he meant anything besides making a FarmVille reference... maybe some animals that were making his farm... uh prosperous? |
| 07:23.18 | LawnGnome | That's exactly right! |
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| 07:43.15 | baer | is carols the only one administering the students mailing list? |
| 07:43.39 | baer | i'm having a funny problem... i'm receiving the spam but the list does not appear in my groups |
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| 08:01.09 | rohitr | baer : just a thought but have you checked that you are logged in using the same google account, when you access the group. Happens a lot with me. :) |
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| 08:02.42 | baer | ah first level support ;) |
| 08:02.45 | baer | of course ;) |
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| 08:06.09 | sploving | hi |
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| 08:06.31 | sanooj | hey sploving. |
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| 08:17.33 | tulcod | what's all the spamming on the student list about? |
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| 08:18.35 | sanooj | expected. it's going to get a lot more busy. |
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| 08:40.04 | ihalip | darn |
| 08:40.53 | ihalip | there are people spamming the mailing list with the purpose of asking others not to spam |
| 08:41.23 | sanooj | it's only natural. |
| 08:43.20 | ihalip | i miss summer-of-code-discuss :( |
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| 09:04.58 | aghisla | please stop spamming the chat talking about people spamming the ml with the purpose of asking others not to spam :D |
| 09:05.05 | aghisla | (I'm spamming) |
| 09:06.20 | tulcod | XDXD |
| 09:06.25 | tulcod | first the mailing list gets spammed |
| 09:06.36 | tulcod | then the mailing list gets spammed by people telling others not to spam |
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| 09:06.48 | tulcod | then #gsoc gets spammed by people telling people not to tell people not to spam |
| 09:07.07 | tulcod | s/telling/spamming/ |
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| 09:08.56 | sjhor | this is hilarious |
| 09:09.02 | sjhor | what's wrong with filtering @google.com |
| 09:09.21 | brik | tbh it's not quite as spammy if people say that here :P I don't get a popup going "mail!" if you talk here ;D |
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| 09:09.36 | rohith291991 | tulcod: the same things are going through my mind this very moment |
| 09:09.37 | rohith291991 | XD |
| 09:09.38 | rohith291991 | XD |
| 09:09.43 | ihalip | boycott google-summer-of-code-students-list! |
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| 09:09.51 | ihalip | yells |
| 09:09.58 | sjhor | hehe |
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| 09:12.19 | aghisla | s/boycott/digest/ ;) |
| 09:12.36 | alexandru | sjhor: even with filtering, I don't think it's an appropriate use of the ML |
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| 09:13.29 | LawnGnome | Meh, it happens every year. Actually, I think it's a bit quieter than the last couple of years at the moment. |
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| 09:15.27 | ihalip | Abridged summary of google-summer-of-code-students-list@googlegroups.com - 100 Messages in 8 Topics |
| 09:15.45 | alexandru | sheesh, we're getting "+1, me too" type emails now :D |
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| 09:16.04 | ihalip | how about a gsoc-spam mailing list then? |
| 09:16.15 | alexandru | +1 :D |
| 09:16.23 | ihalip | :P |
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| 09:24.16 | aghisla | it reminds me the zen story of the 4 young monks in a silent meditation session. One says: "How quiet!", the second "Ssshh! we must stay silent!" the third "Would you stop talking, you two?" the fourth "I'm the only one who respected silence" |
| 09:24.58 | Waren | yo |
| 09:25.02 | neo01124 | aghisla, :D |
| 09:25.36 | SukhE | Hehe. |
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| 09:27.52 | firc | spams the ml asking people not to spam the no-spam-ml threads. |
| 09:28.51 | ihalip | aghisla: so true |
| 09:29.10 | aghisla | :) |
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| 09:39.42 | drt24 | woke up to 105 gsoc-students emails, this was unexpected. |
| 09:40.18 | Mek | must be a new student then :) |
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| 09:42.03 | drt24 | :-) |
| 09:42.11 | drt24 | sets up mail filter |
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| 09:45.11 | ihalip | not sure it'll help that much |
| 09:45.20 | ihalip | better setup a daily digest |
| 09:46.19 | drt24 | well it stops them cluttering up my inbox (bringing the total in my inbox back down to 15 :-) |
| 09:46.22 | drt24 | but gp |
| 09:47.04 | rohitr | aghisla : Your zen story is on the mailing list :) |
| 09:47.18 | aghisla | :D :D |
| 09:47.23 | tulcod | jbartosik: that COULD have been funny, but it was not |
| 09:47.31 | tulcod | so tell me, WHY did you send that email? |
| 09:47.31 | aghisla | more Zen! |
| 09:47.33 | tulcod | i'd like to hear an answer |
| 09:48.03 | drt24 | I don't think I can setup a digest (as it is not going to a gmail account and so I can't login to the google groups and change options) |
| 09:48.09 | firc | so that there is NO combo-break! |
| 09:49.04 | ojwb | "kill thread" might help |
| 09:49.18 | tulcod | jbartosik: you DO realize that you just made a couple of thousands of people click about 3 times depending on their mail client, did you? |
| 09:49.21 | ojwb | though such people seem quite keen to break threads |
| 09:49.38 | jbartosik | tulcod: well... |
| 09:49.44 | jbartosik | nobody's perfect |
| 09:49.58 | jbartosik | I hoped it would be |
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| 10:28.48 | Jun | !next |
| 10:28.48 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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| 11:16.44 | yushen | hi all! |
| 11:16.55 | bawr | aghisla: Oh, that's your Zen story there? Congrats. :D |
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| 11:18.02 | aghisla | bawr: :) |
| 11:19.24 | bawr | Also, I don't really see a problem with the mailing list. I mean, the topic of the thread pretty much lets me decide if I want to see it or not. |
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| 11:20.05 | bawr | It's far from perfect, but far from a wretched hive of spam and villainy it's made out to be. |
| 11:21.32 | rohitr | sodom and gomorrah I'd say ;) |
| 11:21.54 | |Kev| | Quoting Star Wars > Quoting the Bible. |
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| 11:22.43 | rohitr | which is funnier, the bible or SW? |
| 11:23.01 | bawr | Thank you, thank you. *bows* |
| 11:23.49 | bawr | rohitr: I'm at a loss here. Star Wars is more consistently funny, but Bible has its peaks, too. |
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| 11:24.39 | bawr | "Oh hey, and by the way, to seal the deal, uh- well, you'll need to do some genital mutilation... yeah." |
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| 11:26.10 | rohitr | "Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead! So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths." |
| 11:26.29 | rohitr | 2 Kings 2:23-24 |
| 11:27.13 | bawr | And don't forget... Star Wars gave us all the nerd jokes and webcomics, but Bible gave us George Carlin and Brick Testament. :) |
| 11:27.49 | |Kev| | Point. |
| 11:27.50 | bawr | rohitr: Oh man, my favourite story. :> |
| 11:28.11 | rohitr | :) lets stop before people start complaining. |
| 11:28.16 | bawr | nods |
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| 11:43.32 | minix3|straydawg | lo |
| 11:43.42 | bawr | Hello. |
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| 11:52.58 | lolfrenz | wtf |
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| 11:53.11 | lolfrenz | 11k messages in the students mailing list? |
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| 11:53.14 | lolfrenz | when has that starteD? |
| 11:53.22 | marcosroriz | hello all \o/ |
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| 11:53.29 | Chainsaw | Hi :) |
| 11:53.33 | mkarnicki | hello \^ ^/ |
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| 11:53.57 | bawr | blinks |
| 11:54.02 | bawr | 11k? |
| 11:54.20 | lolfrenz | omfg the students list is mindfuck |
| 11:54.27 | mkarnicki | hahah |
| 11:54.42 | lolfrenz | how can I sort useful information when it's 99.9% useless talk? |
| 11:54.42 | mkarnicki | i head there's also an announcements list, right? |
| 11:54.52 | lolfrenz | I'm not aware of any |
| 11:54.57 | lolfrenz | I can't even find my mentor's email address |
| 11:55.02 | mkarnicki | lolfrenz: ppl have tried to make them calm down for a while now |
| 11:55.09 | mkarnicki | lolfrenz: lol? :D |
| 11:55.40 | lolfrenz | yeah, it's not on the ml and I dunno where to find it at all |
| 11:55.43 | bawr | lolfrenz: I just watch the meta-spam and enjoy the ride. |
| 11:55.59 | bawr | Then again - *my* mentors are available on IRC. |
| 11:56.08 | mkarnicki | mine also :) |
| 11:56.43 | ojwb | lolfrenz: I'd suggest a comment on your proposal if you can't think of a better way |
| 11:57.08 | lolfrenz | what would be a better way? :| |
| 11:57.21 | lolfrenz | I mean, how did you get it? |
| 11:58.13 | ojwb | isn't a student |
| 11:58.35 | ojwb | but I've talked to students on irc and got their address from their application in the past |
| 11:59.09 | ojwb | if you know the name, you may be able to find a post on the project mailing list |
| 11:59.13 | lolfrenz | oh, yeah |
| 11:59.16 | lolfrenz | I just did that and found it |
| 11:59.20 | lolfrenz | just thought of it myself |
| 11:59.20 | bawr | Hm... does the mentor mailing list have as much spam as the student mailing list? |
| 11:59.21 | lolfrenz | thanks |
| 11:59.26 | bawr | Just curious. |
| 11:59.28 | ojwb | internet stalking 101 |
| 11:59.34 | bawr | ojwb: :D |
| 11:59.44 | ojwb | bawr: it has its moments, but nowhere near as bad from the sound of it |
| 11:59.59 | bawr | See, that's three course credits roght there. ;) |
| 12:00.07 | ojwb | there's a fair bit of stuff that should go to the melange devs or carols directly |
| 12:00.24 | ojwb | not had much traffic for the last week or so |
| 12:00.33 | skbohra | missed the opportunity of being a mentor :/ |
| 12:00.41 | bawr | ojwb: Nah, the student ml isn't that bad. I dare say there's more meta-spam than actual spam. |
| 12:00.47 | ojwb | me too this year |
| 12:01.06 | skbohra | hah |
| 12:01.11 | ojwb | well, unless another mentor drops out perhaps, but I'm no expert on any of the selected projects |
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| 12:02.23 | skbohra | can we register as mentor now ? I doubt ? |
| 12:03.36 | lolfrenz | all students have already been assigned a mentor |
| 12:04.04 | skbohra | there are co mentors as well |
| 12:04.24 | skbohra | which are assigned after announcement |
| 12:04.43 | skbohra | but i think registering as mentors should be done before |
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| 12:05.41 | ojwb | I believe you can sign up as a mentor still |
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| 12:08.29 | mkarnicki | are accepted students added automatically to the announce-only mailing list? I read in those e-mails that there's such list. |
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| 12:11.23 | bawr | No, the announce-only list is run by one person who basically forwards the important stuff, or at least that's how I read it. |
| 12:12.21 | mkarnicki | bawr: but do you know the addres of this mailing lsit? |
| 12:12.23 | mkarnicki | *list |
| 12:12.53 | mkarnicki | I'd like to subscribe |
| 12:13.03 | bawr | Nah, it was all a blur. :) |
| 12:13.20 | SukhE | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce |
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| 12:14.00 | mkarnicki | SukhE: thanks! |
| 12:14.06 | SukhE | np :) |
| 12:14.09 | pauloricardomg | even worse than "stop spamming" e-mails is "I agree" e-mails |
| 12:14.30 | skbohra | and please stop stop spamming emails ;) |
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| 12:14.45 | pauloricardomg | I mean, everything was fine when people were just introducing themselves in one thread |
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| 12:15.00 | skbohra | true |
| 12:15.10 | mkarnicki | true. |
| 12:15.16 | pauloricardomg | who didn't want to read it, just ignore it, send it to /dev/null that only thread |
| 12:15.19 | pauloricardomg | but then war starts |
| 12:15.43 | bawr | pauloricardomg: As I said, meta-spam is the worst. :/ |
| 12:15.44 | mkarnicki | and "don't send "dont send ""dont send SPAM!" " " starts ;) |
| 12:15.58 | mkarnicki | bawr: you enjoy it xD! |
| 12:16.18 | mkarnicki | bawr: u where sarcastic then, or now xD I can imagine |
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| 12:17.53 | bawr | I am quite serious. On the list as it is, meta-spam is more of a problem than spam. The latter had been contained to one thread, the former *spawned* numerous new threads. |
| 12:18.12 | mkarnicki | Understood. |
| 12:18.36 | pauloricardomg | look at the last one "oh hi GSoC 2010!!!" |
| 12:18.38 | bawr | Now, seeing as I'm not really reading much on this list, I can sit back and have a laugh about it. |
| 12:18.40 | pauloricardomg | fuck that :P |
| 12:18.41 | gevaerts | Which in turn spawned some meta-meta spam hete :) |
| 12:18.42 | gevaerts | *here |
| 12:19.11 | bawr | gevaerts: Yeah, I think the record is meta-3-spam at the moment. |
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| 12:20.07 | bawr | Hm. Now given how we're deiscussing it, this IRC channel is doing some meta-meta-3-spam. ;D |
| 12:20.42 | ojwb | and now there's a discussion of that meta-3-spam here |
| 12:20.51 | ojwb | oh, you just said that |
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| 12:21.16 | rohitr | this recursion is taxing my memory. I may be out of memory soon ;) |
| 12:21.25 | bawr | Hm... "meta-meta-3-spam". By Eris, it's high-school chemistry all over again. |
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| 12:22.22 | bawr | I should probably shut up before someone punches me. ;) |
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| 12:23.52 | rohitr | lol yeah. But I always thought #gsoc should be "freer". We are not bothering anyone or drowning out important information. |
| 12:24.42 | Dark_Shikari | metathreads are amusing |
| 12:24.47 | Dark_Shikari | reminds me of 4chan |
| 12:25.04 | Dark_Shikari | "crappy thread" -> "threads on this board suck" -> "this board sucks because of threads complaining about how much this board sucks" |
| 12:25.15 | bawr | Yeah, but if left unchecked, with minimal encouragement I would get all the way up to meta-3-meta-meta-6-meta-42-meta-meta-meta-2-meta-spam, which would really eat my time. ;) |
| 12:25.52 | bawr | And I think we'd all rather avoid that. :) |
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| 12:29.14 | ojwb | gsoc is actually a secret google plan to stress-test google groups and gmail |
| 12:30.07 | bawr | Tha actually makes sense to me. I guess I'm qualified to be a conspiracy nut. :) |
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| 12:35.14 | cdngfrog | oh look, /dev/null... you like those mails? omnomnom |
| 12:39.41 | mkarnicki | ojwb: +1 hehe |
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| 12:48.47 | Jun | Have you noticed that the emails actually start from students in China, Singapore. NOw here comes to Europe... Maybe later to American west coast... |
| 12:49.02 | Jun | Totally by time difference, amazing ... |
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| 13:02.13 | kunalb | Hi! I was thinking we might as well try out a Wave to stop the Google Group Stress test (and do one on wave instead) |
| 13:02.24 | kunalb | https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B9yLS_dLhG |
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| 13:06.25 | kblin | sfb: pong |
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| 13:06.37 | bawr | What if I don't have an invite? :P (Yeah, lazy of me.) |
| 13:07.55 | kunalb | bawr: Hmm, well I have a few if required. I'm kind of interested in seeing how good a wave would be as a substitute for IRC, etc. |
| 13:08.26 | kunalb | Plus seeing 50 people introducing themselves live should be fun (if it doesn't crash) |
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| 13:14.16 | bawr | ...ARRGHH. I just read the student mailing list. The HTML! The horror! The top-posting! The full-quoting! |
| 13:14.21 | bawr | cries |
| 13:14.35 | gevaerts | Fail them all! |
| 13:14.35 | bawr | It's Eternal September all over again. |
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| 13:23.41 | kblin | bawr: now you understand why most alumni unsubscribe from the mailing list |
| 13:24.56 | kblin | however, with the help of a couple of filters based on "from", you can get to the meat quite easily |
| 13:25.59 | drt24 | quite likes the fact that there is an email sent from 05:16 tomorrow :-) |
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| 13:31.51 | bawr | kblin: Yeah, I gathered as much. |
| 13:32.51 | asmeurer | you guys haven't seen nothin yet |
| 13:33.07 | asmeurer | the student's list gets way more interesting |
| 13:33.11 | asmeurer | (or at least it did last year) |
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| 13:35.03 | Mek | last year and the two years before that :) in the three years I'm on that list I think it got worse every year |
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| 13:35.12 | x1user | Is there a list, or a map of the students's countries |
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| 13:35.41 | kblin | not yet |
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| 13:36.04 | kblin | but someone will probably compile some later in the program |
| 13:36.25 | asmeurer | I don't understand why they can't make a big one. They have small ones for every project. |
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| 13:37.04 | kblin | asmeurer: they have? |
| 13:37.09 | ojwb | just start a thread on the student list - post a map of the world and ask everyone to add a dot where they are and repost... |
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| 13:37.23 | ojwb | NB do NOT really do this (just in case) |
| 13:37.27 | asmeurer | yeah, on the project pages |
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| 13:37.35 | kblin | then it should be trivial to compile that list with a bit of old-fashioned data mining |
| 13:37.36 | asmeurer | *org pages |
| 13:37.57 | asmeurer | e.g. http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/python |
| 13:38.09 | ojwb | I believe those aren't complete though - people have to agree to make their location public |
| 13:38.16 | asmeurer | yes |
| 13:38.27 | asmeurer | but that's as far as complete as it can get |
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| 13:39.09 | ojwb | the totals by country, institution, etc are likely to appear at some point |
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| 13:39.38 | asmeurer | at least for institution, they only appear at the end, based on projects that passed the final examination |
| 13:40.00 | asmeurer | I think country counts should be coming out soon, though |
| 13:40.07 | carldani | The GSoC student mailing list is easily the worst mailing list I ever was on. It has a worse signal/noise ratio than de.talk.bizarre |
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| 13:40.27 | kblin | carldani: uh.. |
| 13:40.48 | asmeurer | carldani: are you referring to last year? |
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| 13:42.17 | carldani | asmeurer: no, this year. I was a mentor last year, and this year I'm a student. I heard that the mailing list was eating up lots of development time, but hey... I didn't expect it to be this bad. |
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| 13:42.32 | asmeurer | ah, so I was a student last year |
| 13:42.45 | asmeurer | things will quiet down a bit |
| 13:43.06 | carldani | One day I will finally snap and send an uuencoded powerpoint presentation containing a video of some powerpoint presentation with lolcats to the list. |
| 13:43.07 | asmeurer | but last year, it amazed me the shear stupidity of some of the members |
| 13:43.30 | gedex | hi all, anyone from Indonesia here? |
| 13:44.22 | asmeurer | you can search the archives if you are interested, but basically some people said some very insulting things, leading to a tidal wave of reaction |
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| 13:45.14 | asmeurer | and you would understand why we all miss lh. she was a very good ambassador |
| 13:45.42 | asmeurer | (I trust carols will be just as good, though :) |
| 13:46.17 | kunalb | https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%2B9yLS_dLhG |
| 13:47.53 | asmeurer | but yeah, if you care about noise, just subscribe to the announcements list |
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| 13:48.26 | asmeurer | frankly, though, the student's list occasionally contains some good advice on taxes, the payment card, etc. |
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| 13:48.48 | carldani | kblin: What amazes me most is that there is no official announcement list. Most projects I know have an official announcement list, and stuff posted there is moderated and automatically forwarded to the main discussion list. I just have trouble thinking of any reason to deviate from proven good procedures for GSoC. |
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| 13:49.18 | mck182 | there is such list, no? |
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| 13:49.24 | mck182 | annoucement-only |
| 13:50.33 | carldani | Sure, but apparently the announcement-only list is a private service by one volunteer who has to sift through thousands of mails full of noise and who will then forward the mails containing signal to a list he is managing in his spare time. |
| 13:51.32 | carldani | This strikes me as a waste of volunteer time. |
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| 15:03.12 | carols | serves tea, coffee, cookies, and stroopwafels for everyone |
| 15:03.18 | carols | oh...running out of stroopwafels |
| 15:03.27 | aghisla | NOM NOM |
| 15:03.33 | gevaerts | Don't keep handing them out then :) |
| 15:03.38 | thebolt | hi carols :) |
| 15:03.39 | carols | im going to need SRabbelier and the melange guys to send me more :-) |
| 15:03.42 | carols | hi thebolt :-) |
| 15:03.46 | carols | hey gevaerts :-) |
| 15:03.48 | aghisla | thanks carols! |
| 15:03.49 | carols | hey aghisla :-) |
| 15:03.57 | carols | yw. only the best for all of you :-) |
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| 15:04.41 | carols | munches some cookies |
| 15:04.44 | carols | mmm..chocolate |
| 15:05.05 | gevaerts | still has some stroopwafels in his desk drawer so he throws some on the plate |
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| 15:05.19 | carols | you are an awesome and giving person, gevaerts :-) |
| 15:05.29 | carols | munches stroopwafels with her coffee |
| 15:05.58 | carols | goes to see what she can do about the students list |
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| 15:07.25 | gevaerts | carols: it's easy if they're all virtual anyway :) (although I really do have some) |
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| 15:07.53 | carols | gevaerts: i'm tempted to see if i can get more sent to my office in exchange for stickers :-) |
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| 15:08.02 | carols | loves her some stroopwafels |
| 15:09.21 | gevaerts | noticed that :) |
| 15:10.01 | tulcod | did anyone from delft get accepted? |
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| 15:14.15 | pyry` | onko tässä suomalaisia? :> |
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| 15:16.57 | carols | pyry`: english only in this channel, please :-) |
| 15:18.32 | gevaerts | didn't know that "stroopwafel" was an english word ;) |
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| 15:18.39 | dho_plan9 | lekker. |
| 15:19.41 | Rostislav | pyry`, I live in Finland, but I don't know Finnish :-( I live in Turku, which city are you from? |
| 15:19.59 | shm | is now in Vaasa. |
| 15:20.04 | pyry` | gevaerts: there are plenty of non-english things which found their way into english... hehe |
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| 15:20.30 | pyry` | i'm actually in tromsø, norway, Rostislav, but i speak finnish. |
| 15:20.36 | pyry` | how's the weather in turku and vaasa? |
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| 15:20.50 | Rostislav | it's cloudy in Turku |
| 15:20.56 | tulcod | gevaerts: there's no better translation for it, plus, it's hilarious to listen at foreigners trynig to pronounce it correctly |
| 15:21.13 | shm | pyry`: Rainy and windy. |
| 15:21.15 | gevaerts | tulcod: not as hilarious as my name :) |
| 15:21.20 | tulcod | :) |
| 15:21.39 | tulcod | gevaerts: even some dutchmen will have difficulties with it, i'm sure |
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| 15:22.50 | carldani | hey carols |
| 15:22.54 | gevaerts | tulcod: I'd consider the way most Dutch would pronounce it to be wrong :) You have different ideas about how to pronounce "g" and "e"! |
| 15:22.55 | carols | hey carldani |
| 15:23.08 | deshantm_cosi | hey all |
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| 15:23.27 | tulcod | gevaerts: and the ae, i mean, woudl you pronounce it as aa, or as è, or....? |
| 15:23.35 | deshantm_cosi | I just thought I would drop by and see if there are any Chromium OS summer of coders in here |
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| 15:23.38 | pyry` | shm: ahh, spring. :P |
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| 15:24.12 | gevaerts | tulcod: "aa" |
| 15:24.27 | gevaerts | tulcod: I'm not German :) |
| 15:24.36 | tulcod | well, there's old dutch... |
| 15:25.01 | carldani | I guess I should start serving mushed bananas with cold liquid cream... excellent brain food |
| 15:25.04 | shm | pyry`: At least the sea is not frozen anymore. |
| 15:25.35 | tulcod | hm, ice cream... |
| 15:26.19 | rohitr | I have a friend named Hardik, a soft D. He is now at UCB. Needless to say he has many friends ;) |
| 15:26.32 | carldani | Admittedly I already started coding for GSoC yesterday to make sure some of the more difficult tasks will be completed on time. |
| 15:27.18 | shm | carldani: What are you working on? |
| 15:27.34 | bawr | carldani: That's probably a good idea just in case. I know I'm starting some simple tasks to get into it. |
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| 15:27.45 | carldani | shm: flashrom <http://flashrom.org/> |
| 15:28.25 | carldani | bawr: I know the codebase very well, but some of the task involve reverse engineering, and you just can't predict how long it will take. |
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| 15:29.55 | int3 | carldani: just curious, what org was flashrom listed under? |
| 15:31.45 | carldani | int3: coreboot. flashrom is a spinoff from coreboot, and coreboot is now an umbrella org. This reduces bureaucratic effort on Google's side, and as a side benefit flashrom only takes one slot (instead of the minimum two). |
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| 15:32.32 | ojwb | it's only a minimum if you want 2 |
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| 15:34.58 | int3 | carldani: ah, I see (: I'm trying to find interesting OSS projects using the list of GSOC organizations, but I'm realizing that several of them are umbrellas for quite a few subsidiary orgs. I wish there'd be an easy way to find all the subsidiaries as well. |
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| 15:35.24 | int3 | is not an eligible student this year, but hopefully will be participating in the next one |
| 15:36.10 | bawr | What happened? |
| 15:36.54 | carldani | int3: heh. coreboot and flashrom and other associated projects are very interesting. It's very low-level programming in C (and a few bits of asm) and a great way to learn about real hardware if you've written only userspace code before. |
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| 15:40.01 | int3 | carldani: yep, I'm quite interested in learning more low-level stuff. Unfortunately I don't have any spare electronics around that I can hack with. |
| 15:41.07 | carldani | int3: if you want to hack on coreboot with really cheap hardware, buy an old pentium II board on ebay (e.g. the asus p2b) |
| 15:41.37 | carldani | int3: if you want to hack on flashrom, pick any mainboard or some older network card and you're good to go |
| 15:41.38 | wiktor_b | int3: go further. get coreboot working on your own computer! :) |
| 15:41.43 | gevaerts | int3: another option could be rockbox |
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| 15:42.16 | gevaerts | doesn't see a reason to let coreboot get all the people who want to work close to the hardware :) |
| 15:42.36 | carldani | gevaerts: Ah yes, rockbox. I really need to install it on my Sansa MP3 player. |
| 15:43.07 | int3 | gevaerts: I did think of rockbox, actually, but it doesn't have any support for my current music player. I could try porting it, but starting from scratch seems a bit daunting |
| 15:43.23 | gevaerts | int3: that's a lot of work, yes |
| 15:43.25 | int3 | wiktor_b: but I only have one main computer, and I kind of like it working (: |
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| 15:43.50 | int3 | carldani: the old pentium II board idea sounds nice, maybe I'll do it |
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| 15:44.09 | wiktor_b | int3: great motivation to actually make it work ;) |
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| 15:44.23 | carldani | most epic rockbox forum thread ever: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=12937.0 |
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| 15:44.49 | gevaerts | oh yes, that one... |
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| 15:45.38 | carldani | "[I] take the .diff file and rename it rockboxpatch.c [...] I put the player in manufacture mode and renamed rockboxpatch.c to BL_SDboardSupport.rom and patched it to my player with e200tool. Now my player is bricked." |
| 15:45.46 | gevaerts | wiktor_b: with this kind of work a tiny mistake can mean the end of your chances to actually get things to work. Motivation isn't always enough :) |
| 15:46.19 | bawr | blinks |
| 15:46.33 | bawr | Why would anyone do .diff -> .c rename? |
| 15:46.39 | gevaerts | managed to brick the bluetooth adapter in his laptop while working on rockbox |
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| 15:46.47 | tulcod | wiktor_b: sup, you're doing g-pear, right? |
| 15:46.57 | wiktor_b | tulcod: yes i am |
| 15:47.04 | tulcod | wiktor_b: i'm doing g-cpan |
| 15:47.11 | tulcod | we should team up... there's a third guy doing g-pypi |
| 15:47.36 | gevaerts | bawr: rockbox doesn't only attract developers. We get our fair share of enthousiastic but not entirely technically qualified people too |
| 15:47.50 | bawr | Ah... Ouch. |
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| 15:48.17 | wiktor_b | tulcod: by "team up" you mean to make them all wark in a similar way? |
| 15:48.41 | wiktor_b | s/wark/work/ |
| 15:48.47 | tulcod | well, that would also be an option, but to keep in touch at the very least :) |
| 15:49.11 | carldani | bawr: even better is renaming the .diff to .c and then renaming it to .rom and force-flashing it to some piece of hardware |
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| 15:49.45 | tulcod | wiktor_b: i think in the long run gentoo needs a bit of a interface for it though, indeed |
| 15:49.58 | carldani | I mean, this is pure comedy gold. I couldn't have made that stuff up. |
| 15:50.00 | tulcod | i mean, the current situation with all the separate g-**** projects... it's a bit of a mess |
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| 15:50.15 | wiktor_b | tulcod: sure, i know what you mean |
| 15:50.42 | tulcod | wiktor_b: what part do you agree with, exactly? :P |
| 15:51.05 | wiktor_b | developing a common portage interface for all our g-* gools would be a nice thing ;) |
| 15:51.13 | tulcod | ah yes |
| 15:51.23 | wiktor_b | that it's a mess and that we should keep in touch :) |
| 15:51.34 | tulcod | ah, that too, good |
| 15:51.51 | tulcod | wiktor_b: shall i write an email to the three of us and our mentors? |
| 15:52.07 | wiktor_b | why not |
| 15:52.19 | carldani | gevaerts: Looks like rockbox suffers from the same kind of users as flashrom. "flashrom said I should not flash, so I used force because I really want to update the BIOS. Then it said the machine should not be rebooted, but I rebooted anyway because I wanted to run $SOMETHING. HELP!!!!!1!!!" |
| 15:52.49 | gevaerts | carldani: yes, we do get some of those |
| 15:53.22 | carldani | gevaerts: I now renamed --force to --force_I_want_a_brick |
| 15:53.34 | carldani | No idea if it will help. |
| 15:53.39 | bawr | carldani: hahahahaha. +1 |
| 15:53.40 | gevaerts | probably not :) |
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| 15:54.37 | carldani | I'm still undecided if I should add "We will laugh at you if you use --force_I_want_a_brick" to the man page. ;-) |
| 15:54.38 | gevaerts | There will always be accidents of course. For us, on some players just the right filename is enough, and the player does the flashing, so you can't warn people more |
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| 15:55.37 | carldani | gevaerts: indeed. flashrom has no way of checking if you're flashing the correct image. It will take extreme care to get flashing right, though. |
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| 15:56.44 | Chainsaw | carldani: The one thing it unfortunately doesn't understand is MAC addresses within images. |
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| 15:57.49 | anuragsharma | Hi. Is this the channel where the GSOC selected students can communicate? |
| 15:57.56 | carldani | Chainsaw: yes, because there's no standard for that. However, one of our developers is trying to reverse engineer the MAC address location (and any associated checksum), so I think there will eventually be a flashrom extension (or support tool) which takes care of this. |
| 15:58.05 | wiktor_b | anuragsharma: yes. hi! |
| 15:58.48 | Chainsaw | carldani: That would be awesome. It'd be perfect after that. |
| 15:59.28 | carldani | Chainsaw: of course you're invited to join us in #flashrom |
| 15:59.49 | carldani | Chainsaw: in fact, one of my gsoc goals is to have partial flashing which will make this possible |
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| 16:00.38 | Chainsaw | carldani: I'd also like to have suppot for a hardware flasher that can be bought over eBay. I can sponsor it to your mentor/student if they're interested. Serial port device. |
| 16:01.35 | carldani | Chainsaw: I'm basically mentoring myself, so send it to me and I'll look into it. Any detailed info about the hardware? |
| 16:01.58 | Chainsaw | carldani: Will find it now, will join #flashrom and continue the discussion there. |
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| 16:03.10 | carldani | Chainsaw: great. I wrote a programmer abstraction layer which makes adding support for most programmers a simple matter of ~20-40 lines of code. |
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| 16:03.43 | anuragsharma | wiktor_b: hi |
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| 16:10.41 | sanooj | carldani: out of context your last statement is awesome. my manager wants to talk to you asap. ;P |
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| 16:22.14 | cj | STOP SPAMMING! |
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| 16:22.43 | cj | PLEASE PUT A [NOT IMPORTANT] MARKER IN ALL UNIMPORTANT IRC POSTINGS |
| 16:22.50 | cj | ducks |
| 16:23.16 | bkgood | cj: I think this is the first time I've ever woken up with 60 new messages in kmail |
| 16:23.39 | wiktor_b | please stop spamming with all those join/part messages |
| 16:24.01 | cj | wiktor_b: joinpart.pl! |
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| 16:24.19 | bkgood | can't most proper irc clients disable those |
| 16:24.24 | cj | or maybe it's sjpq.pl |
| 16:24.39 | Landon | [NOT IMPORTANT] bkgood: only 60? |
| 16:24.49 | wiktor_b | cj: neither :) |
| 16:25.11 | bkgood | [NOT IMPORTANT] Landon: something like that, but I was only asleep for 4 hours or so |
| 16:25.11 | MostAwesomeDude | durinbot: Any reason for the PM? |
| 16:25.29 | bkgood | MostAwesomeDude: durinbot's a bot, probably won |
| 16:25.31 | bkgood | 't respond |
| 16:25.53 | MostAwesomeDude | bkgood: I figured. Does he PM on join or something? |
| 16:26.06 | bkgood | MostAwesomeDude: only your first time on #gsoc |
| 16:26.41 | carldani | sanooj: haha! |
| 16:27.06 | Jeff_S | MostAwesomeDude: I think he likes you |
| 16:27.33 | MostAwesomeDude | Jeff_S: My milkshake brings all the bots to the yard. |
| 16:27.39 | skbohra | since you are most awesome dude ;) |
| 16:27.41 | Jeff_S | spits out coffee |
| 16:27.42 | MostAwesomeDude | And they're like, "Hello! Welcome to my channel!" |
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| 16:28.11 | MostAwesomeDude | Haha, coffee expectoration achieved. |
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| 16:34.22 | redbrain | hey guys :) |
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| 16:35.05 | redbrain | any other guys from ireland on gsoc |
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| 16:48.07 | RoAkSoAx | hi all, who should I contact to ask about CPT questions? |
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| 17:01.34 | rohitr | wow, its a war on the mailing-list |
| 17:01.54 | lolfrenz | I was literally just about to write "maybe you should moderate the mailing lisT" |
| 17:01.58 | lolfrenz | list* |
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| 17:02.24 | rohitr | :O I dont think that is possible or advisable, IMHO |
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| 17:02.38 | rohitr | with the kind of traffic they have |
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| 17:03.24 | rohitr | and personally I was pissed off in the morning, but now maybe I have grown wiser and more patient ;) |
| 17:03.25 | lolfrenz | rohitr, I don't think that would be a problem, since they can easily just deny all unimportant emails |
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| 17:03.45 | lolfrenz | well, today when I opened my computer I was noted that I had ~150 new mails |
| 17:04.01 | cdcs | so did i.. |
| 17:04.02 | lolfrenz | I wasn't subscribed to the student ml yesterday |
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| 17:05.17 | rohitr | yeah me too, I faced the flood too. But come on, is it really that annoying |
| 17:05.23 | kdiverson | You've got to get those filters working, keep the mailing list stuff out of your inbox. |
| 17:05.50 | rohitr | a person just scolded a freshman first time contributor |
| 17:06.03 | cdcs | was there any important mail among the flood? |
| 17:06.08 | rohitr | nope |
| 17:06.22 | rohitr | I can tell because I read all of them, I have an exam tomorrow :) |
| 17:06.39 | cdcs | thanks.. yes that happens a lot |
| 17:07.03 | cdcs | when we study everything else seems so interresting |
| 17:07.11 | cdcs | even GSOC spam |
| 17:07.14 | cdcs | :) |
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| 17:07.19 | lolfrenz | I couldn't agree more |
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| 17:07.29 | rohitr | nods |
| 17:07.29 | lolfrenz | it's exactly why I'm wasting time here when I have a lot to study.. |
| 17:08.04 | cdcs | i think we all have that in common... |
| 17:08.43 | lolfrenz | well, I have to study for LITERATURE tomorrow. |
| 17:08.47 | lolfrenz | that's right. |
| 17:09.26 | cdcs | i don't have nothing similar to Literature in my course :) |
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| 17:10.14 | cdcs | lol the topic was moderated |
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| 17:29.55 | ajuonline | Total of 374 nicks only! ? |
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| 17:31.25 | schumaml | all of the important events are done for now |
| 17:34.06 | mlankhorst | for mentors, that is ;) |
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| 17:36.22 | kimelto | morning! |
| 17:36.26 | ihalip | hi |
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| 17:38.53 | bawr | lurks in the shadows |
| 17:39.12 | MostAwesomeDude | bawr: :3 |
| 17:39.17 | mkarnicki | is still here! |
| 17:39.33 | bawr | shh! |
| 17:39.40 | mkarnicki | sits at the corner, under the desk xD |
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| 17:39.42 | bawr | creeps toward the cookie jar |
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| 17:40.25 | bawr | Alpha One to Alpha Two, we clear? |
| 17:40.29 | kasun | hello, |
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| 17:40.47 | mkarnicki | bawr: Alpha Two to Alpha One, clear |
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| 17:40.56 | mkarnicki | bawr: sh*t, kasun is here! |
| 17:41.05 | bawr | snatches the jar and makes a run for it |
| 17:41.15 | mkarnicki | disappears in the shadows |
| 17:41.20 | wojtek_szkutnik | cookies? |
| 17:41.23 | bawr | mkarnicki: Damn, damn, get me a chopper NOW! |
| 17:41.39 | mkarnicki | bawr: Alpha One, it's on it's way xD |
| 17:41.46 | kasun | mkarnicki, whats the matter?? :) |
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| 17:41.56 | bawr | takes a wild dash through the streets |
| 17:41.59 | mkarnicki | kasun: shhh, we're in the middle of the action xD watch! |
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| 17:42.23 | mkarnicki | connects cuts the wires and shuts the power in the buliding |
| 17:42.23 | bawr | Alpha Two, get a move on it! |
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| 17:42.47 | kasun | mkarnicki, bawr: okay. now this has become your play ground huh!!! |
| 17:42.50 | mkarnicki | Alpha Two runs whereever he can xD |
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| 17:43.05 | mkarnicki | kasun: shhh.. want a cookie? |
| 17:43.25 | kasun | mkarnicki, sure. unless it is bribing ;) |
| 17:43.37 | mkarnicki | kasun: naaaah |
| 17:43.42 | mkarnicki | gives kasun two cookies! |
| 17:43.45 | jbartosik | flies here |
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| 17:43.56 | mkarnicki | bawr: chopper is here! |
| 17:43.58 | jbartosik | wassup? |
| 17:43.59 | bawr | jumps through a window and into the helicopter |
| 17:44.13 | jbartosik | flies away |
| 17:44.16 | bawr | We're clear, Alpha Three, ready for extraction! |
| 17:44.24 | mkarnicki | is in the chopper xD |
| 17:44.27 | bawr | :3 |
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| 17:44.37 | mkarnicki | has been almost forgotten |
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| 17:44.49 | jbartosik | flies around |
| 17:44.49 | bawr | So yeah, if anyone wants a cookie, you know who to contact. ;) |
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| 17:47.12 | Kosma | accepts all cookies |
| 17:47.14 | kasun | mkarnicki, it's yummyyy... thanks! remember that you have a new hideout now. :) |
| 17:47.27 | mkarnicki | kasun: thanks ^ ^! |
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| 19:11.07 | hiddenpearls | hi guys, My proposal have been accepted this year and I want to ask a question. |
| 19:11.20 | rohitr | sure fire away, I guess. |
| 19:11.45 | hiddenpearls | Is it compulsory to do the exact thing that we have proposed in the project ? |
| 19:12.15 | hiddenpearls | like if I have proposed 5 components to be done and In the end I do 4 |
| 19:12.27 | hiddenpearls | will it considered to be complete or not ? |
| 19:12.40 | dhaun | that's all between you and your mentor |
| 19:12.48 | rohitr | anyone?? I am new. But I think it depends on your mentor's evaluation, to a large extent. |
| 19:13.04 | hiddenpearls | If mentor is happy with 1 feature then ? |
| 19:13.40 | dhaun | if you promised 5 I doubt they would be happy with one - but if they are that'll be fine |
| 19:14.03 | dhaun | the orgs decide whether a project should be considered failed or passed |
| 19:14.26 | hiddenpearls | dhaun, i see |
| 19:15.12 | rohitr | yeah makes sense, because you cannot guarantee that you will do <this and this> There are a hundred things that can go wrong. Or your estimation may be wrong. |
| 19:15.43 | rohitr | I think whats important to your organization is that you *worked* hard |
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| 19:16.25 | hiddenpearls | rohitr, means we should impress our ORG with our efforts. after all they know that what we left was not possible in this time period :) |
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| 19:16.37 | schumaml | the real problem is that you're discussing this *here* instead of talking to your mentor and/or the org |
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| 19:17.09 | hiddenpearls | schumaml, I am just discussing as an option. I don't have the problem yet :) |
| 19:17.27 | hiddenpearls | but uncertainity is a factor in the development |
| 19:18.14 | rohitr | shumaml :I think he should discuss it here, because the question is about gsoc, isnt it? |
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| 19:18.36 | hiddenpearls | Exactly, rohitr |
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| 19:26.12 | CompBrain | howdy folks |
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| 19:54.06 | kgambrah | Hi am Kojo Gambrah will be working on Mifos - a micro finance software and I will be expanding the acceptance tests for this project. |
| 19:54.37 | rohitr | have a nice GSOC kgambrah :) |
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| 19:55.23 | kgambrah | Am from Ghana by the way. Where are all the other Africans? |
| 19:55.36 | kgambrah | rohitr: thanks |
| 19:56.00 | kgambrah | rohitr: which project are you working on? |
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| 19:56.36 | stephhh | hi |
| 19:56.43 | stephhh | is there any officiel admin here ? |
| 19:56.48 | Chetan_ | hi rohit |
| 19:57.37 | rohitr | kgambrah: mapguide opensource |
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| 19:57.46 | rohitr | Chetan: Hi :) |
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| 19:57.57 | schumaml | stephhh: carols |
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| 19:58.30 | kgambrah | rohitr: looking that up in my browser... |
| 19:59.20 | carldani | carols: thanks for your swift action on the student mailing list |
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| 20:01.19 | rohitr | lol somebody wrote," New threads coming up from uptown heros who got selected and can't hold their excitement back within themselves is something that pains my soul." |
| 20:01.28 | rohitr | "uptown heroes" !!!! |
| 20:01.49 | ajuonline | carols ++ |
| 20:02.31 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
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| 20:02.54 | robbyoconnor | I do love how students think "STOP SPAMMING" is gonna make students STOP |
| 20:03.00 | robbyoconnor | it's gonna make therm SPAM MOE |
| 20:03.24 | ihalip | i love how people spam threads to ask others to stop spamming |
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| 20:03.45 | rohitr | Interesting socialogical dynamics though |
| 20:03.48 | robbyoconnor | I still hold the top all time posting position on the list! LOL |
| 20:03.51 | me_ | this process multiplies rapidly, quickly overwhelming the ability of the internet to deal with email, of course. |
| 20:03.51 | rohitr | to see the ebb and flow of the list |
| 20:04.23 | bawr | rohitr: You know, this is why being a Discordian is nice. One can just sit back and marvel at all the squabbles. :) |
| 20:04.32 | robbyoconnor | ihalip: mine was just a mere, stop it's not worth it. |
| 20:04.34 | robbyoconnor | ask ajuonline |
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| 20:04.44 | robbyoconnor | he was unfortunate enough to be here in 2008 |
| 20:04.49 | ihalip | hah |
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| 20:05.27 | bawr | robbyoconnor: Oh, by the way - did you get in after all? |
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| 20:05.50 | robbyoconnor | yup |
| 20:06.00 | robbyoconnor | i still have some prep work to do :( |
| 20:07.07 | carols | ajuonline: -- ? |
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| 20:09.41 | diver_in_sky | good evening, guys |
| 20:09.59 | mlankhorst | eve |
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| 20:10.57 | bawr | Would anyone *shifty eyes* want a cookie? |
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| 20:11.52 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: as we all do :) |
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| 20:14.32 | rohitr | bawr: true true |
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| 20:15.08 | robbyoconnor | takes the cookies from bawr |
| 20:15.18 | stephhh | robbyoconnor: hi, are you an official ? |
| 20:15.28 | ihalip | yes he is |
| 20:15.30 | rohitr | almost ;) |
| 20:15.33 | bawr | hands robbyoconnor three cookies |
| 20:15.44 | jkwood | He's an official troublemaker. |
| 20:16.00 | mkarnicki | jkwood: haha |
| 20:16.00 | gevaerts | steals cookies from robbyoconnor |
| 20:16.03 | bawr | I thought robby was the official rant guy? |
| 20:16.10 | ihalip | official troll? |
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| 20:16.38 | bawr | Well... we have no idea who robby is, but he's official. |
| 20:16.40 | stephhh | okay cool, I already asked that question but never got an "official" answer |
| 20:17.01 | stephhh | I'm spending most of my summer (july 1st - august 31th) in the US |
| 20:17.04 | stephhh | and I'm from France |
| 20:17.13 | stephhh | I need to get a working visa then ? |
| 20:18.05 | rohitr | I think yes. |
| 20:18.19 | rohitr | Because I saw the tax form that you have to sign |
| 20:18.35 | baer | do you pay the taxes for it in france? |
| 20:18.45 | baer | if yes i wouldn't bother trying to get one |
| 20:18.52 | baer | you are probably not getting one anyway |
| 20:18.53 | rohitr | and you have to certify that you didnt do any development in US, or used a computer located in US :) |
| 20:18.55 | stephhh | rohitr: thanks. I haven't looked the tax form yet, I'm going to do ir right now |
| 20:20.16 | stephhh | rohitr: where is that form, actually :D ? |
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| 20:21.43 | rohitr | I accessed it by going to pages |
| 20:21.52 | rohitr | in the student group |
| 20:22.03 | rohitr | and its in the recent pages and files section |
| 20:23.30 | rohitr | see if this works |
| 20:23.32 | rohitr | http://google-summer-of-code-students-list.googlegroups.com/web/2009_foreign_certification.pdf?pli=1&hl=en |
| 20:24.05 | robbyoconnor | you're required to pay taxes on it |
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| 20:30.27 | rohitr | stephhh: Can you get a work visa easily? |
| 20:30.39 | tulcod | #gsoc-nl is now open |
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| 20:32.06 | stephhh | rohitr: |
| 20:32.11 | stephhh | it's kinda expensive |
| 20:32.13 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: i got your mail. do you think it is harmful to have those gsoc-xx channels? |
| 20:32.17 | stephhh | and it takes some time |
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| 20:32.44 | stephhh | but hopefully if I get my GSoC money |
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| 20:32.48 | stephhh | I can afford it |
| 20:32.50 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: I think ppl will benefit from that, and stop posting to the mailing list |
| 20:33.08 | mkarnicki | robbyoconnor: although naturally we (students) are not affiliated with google |
| 20:34.17 | rohitr | stephhh: I think you will have to pay tax for the money in US as well. At least for the work you did there. Perhaps somebody more qualified can chip in. Robby? |
| 20:35.20 | robbyoconnor | mkarnicki: this started in 2008 |
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| 20:36.15 | tulcod | hm, this is weird. i'm getting students-list messages, but i've never got a "you're now subscribed" email, and the googlegroups website tells me i'm not a member |
| 20:36.17 | tulcod | any ideas? |
| 20:36.29 | summatusmentis | rohitr: I'm not following the conversation, but you are required to pay taxes and have proper papers and things for each of the countries you're working in |
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| 20:36.54 | sanooj | tulcod: apparently there's both a discuss list and a general students list. have you checked both? |
| 20:37.14 | tulcod | i'm talking about -students-list here |
| 20:37.20 | tulcod | never been on -discuss |
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| 20:38.14 | stephhh | rohitr: ping me if you can find something, I tried writing on the mailing list, but didn't get a confirmed answer ("you might"), so I would really be grateful if some admin who knows about it tells me what to do |
| 20:38.45 | sanooj | righto. just a thought. |
| 20:39.26 | mkarnicki | tulcod: I neither received welcome message, but I was added to the list. That's the way, I guess :) |
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| 20:39.42 | tulcod | mkarnicki: hm, maybe i should contact the list admins, then... |
| 20:40.00 | mkarnicki | catch carols tomorrow |
| 20:40.09 | carols | mkarnicki: yes? |
| 20:40.13 | carols | can i be of help? |
| 20:40.16 | mlankhorst | we can not give you legal / tax advice though |
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| 20:40.41 | mkarnicki | tulcod: carols is here, go ahead |
| 20:40.48 | tulcod | ah, carols owns the list? |
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| 20:40.53 | carols | yes she does :-) |
| 20:40.57 | mkarnicki | ;) |
| 20:40.59 | tulcod | carols: see, i'm getting -students-list email |
| 20:41.03 | Kosma | carols owns this place ;-) |
| 20:41.10 | tulcod | but the gooogle groups app doesn't tell me i'm a member |
| 20:41.18 | tulcod | and i haven't had a "you're subscribed now" email |
| 20:41.21 | carols | tulcod: sure, i can fix that. send me an email |
| 20:41.34 | tulcod | via "contact the group owner"? |
| 20:41.41 | carols | Kosma: i own it with all of you :-) |
| 20:41.45 | carols | tulcod: i am. just email me |
| 20:41.49 | rohitr | summatusmentis: I think the situation is further complicated by "double taxation avoidance" laws. In some situations she may have to pay tax on the same income twice. and in some she doesnt. |
| 20:42.04 | stephhh | hey carols, you're an official right ? |
| 20:42.07 | tulcod | carols: yeah, but i mean, email you via the googlegroups.com "contact the owner" form? |
| 20:42.25 | carols | stephhh: i am the admin for gsoc. :-) |
| 20:42.42 | stephhh | great, can you help me out with me previous question |
| 20:42.46 | stephhh | hold on, I'm copying |
| 20:42.54 | tulcod | carols: i sent an email, thanks in advance |
| 20:43.06 | carols | tulcod: yw |
| 20:43.14 | stephhh | okay cool, I already asked that question but never got an "official" answer |
| 20:43.16 | stephhh | stephhh: I'm spending most of my summer (july 1st - august 31th) in the US |
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| 20:43.18 | stephhh | stephhh: and I'm from France |
| 20:43.20 | stephhh | stephhh: do I need to get a working visa then ? |
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| 20:43.42 | tulcod | also, now that i'm asking questions anyway, i technically own a one-man company, maybe it's financially advantageous to get paid via my company? |
| 20:43.47 | carols | stephhh: i can't give you legal advice on whether you need visas or not, thats between you and the US consulate |
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| 20:44.18 | mkarnicki | carols: question - there's still some confusion among students about the mailing lists. there's -announce (cool!), -discuss (to talk about project progress?) and -students-list (which is pretty busy). some ppl don't like the traffic on -students-list - but isn't it for students to do exactly what they do? communicate? |
| 20:44.27 | carols | tulcod: can't give you financial advice, there will be an email on the students list about payments soon |
| 20:44.34 | mkarnicki | carols: I think some clarification from an authority would do some good :) |
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| 20:45.03 | tulcod | alright, but would it be a problem with google (ie, you) to pay a company instead of "hiring" me, or however you usually do it? |
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| 20:45.35 | summatusmentis | you're an individual contracotr |
| 20:45.36 | carols | mkarnicki: the students list is for announcements and the occasional email that is only appropriate for the students list i.e. "im having an issue with my mentor." the discuss list if for discussions. i also sent an email about this this morning - i hope everyone saw it? |
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| 20:46.00 | summatusmentis | contractor* I'm fairly certain your company isn't the person "hired" by GSoC |
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| 20:46.27 | mkarnicki | carols: yes! thank you for that email. do you mind, if I paste also this clarification to the group? |
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| 20:47.08 | tulcod | summatusmentis: would that be possible, though? i'm pretty sure that would be a disadvantage for the government |
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| 20:47.26 | carols | tulcod: yes, it would be a problem. you're going to be made a contractor - you can read the payment info from last year here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2009/studentpaymentcards |
| 20:47.27 | mkarnicki | carols: perhaps I shouldn't.. I hope all of them read your e-mail :) Thank you. |
| 20:47.29 | summatusmentis | tulcod: I have no idea, I'm not a Google person |
| 20:47.44 | carols | tulcod: otherwise, as i said, i will be sending an email about this very soon |
| 20:47.58 | tulcod | carols: ah, then i'll read that and wait for your email :) thanks |
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| 20:48.03 | carols | mkarnicki: yes, please keep the noise on the list down. i would prefer we didn't add to it |
| 20:48.06 | carols | tulcod: yw |
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| 20:48.35 | summatusmentis | oh, I didn't realize carols was here, she should be the person answering these questions :) |
| 20:48.42 | mkarnicki | carols: understood, and well said. :) |
| 20:48.44 | carols | waves |
| 20:49.03 | carols | serves some tea and cookies for everyone |
| 20:49.11 | tulcod | yippy |
| 20:49.16 | tulcod | cookies ftw |
| 20:49.24 | carols | thanks summatusmentis :-) |
| 20:49.38 | summatusmentis | carols: sure thing :) |
| 20:49.38 | rohitr | gobbles everything. |
| 20:49.48 | mkarnicki | rohitr: it's infinite |
| 20:50.03 | carols | serves some more tea and cookies |
| 20:50.13 | tulcod | summatusmentis: your name... top / heighest point of knowledge? |
| 20:50.14 | rohitr | I am surprised that you drink tea :), I thought coffee was the American drink ;) |
| 20:50.24 | me_ | enough of us love tea too! |
| 20:50.32 | me_ | particularly in the afternoons. |
| 20:50.37 | carols | looks for stroopwafels from SRabbelier |
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| 20:50.47 | summatusmentis | tulcod: close :) "summatus" == supremacy "mentis" == of the mind, something I think everyone should strive towards |
| 20:50.54 | SRabbelier | carols: how many would you like? ;) |
| 20:50.55 | tulcod | rohitr: what they drink in america... well, it's black, but i don't think you can classify it as coffee |
| 20:50.57 | carols | im all out of stroopwafels to serve |
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| 20:51.04 | tulcod | for starters, it doesn't have a flavor |
| 20:51.04 | carols | SRabbelier: all of them :-) |
| 20:51.17 | tulcod | summatusmentis: "close" is "good enough" in latin ;) |
| 20:51.23 | summatusmentis | tulcod: that's an unfair generalization, some of us americans drink decent coffee |
| 20:51.24 | carols | serves more tea and cookies and waits for stroopwafels |
| 20:51.26 | summatusmentis | tulcod: indeed :-D |
| 20:51.54 | tulcod | summatusmentis: you kidding? if you order an espresso in america you get what europeans would call a watery cup of coffee |
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| 20:52.15 | summatusmentis | depends on where you order it from, etc. |
| 20:52.20 | tulcod | that could be |
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| 20:52.21 | caden | mmmm coffee |
| 20:52.30 | summatusmentis | Starbucks, absolutely you get what europeans would call a watery cup of coffee :) |
| 20:52.37 | tulcod | hehe |
| 20:52.39 | rohitr | meh thinks that European coffee is overrated |
| 20:52.56 | tulcod | rohitr: if you're from america, you have no say in this |
| 20:52.59 | caden | starbucks brewed coffee or espresso drinks? |
| 20:53.06 | tulcod | what you guys eat and drink out there... it's just disgusting, on average |
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| 20:53.12 | summatusmentis | caden: "all of the above" :) |
| 20:53.14 | caden | what if you're from the u.s. but you've had european coffee |
| 20:53.18 | summatusmentis | but I'm kinda anti-starbucks |
| 20:53.23 | Catfish_Man | tulcod: average is rarely a good indication of anything :P |
| 20:53.24 | caden | like in france |
| 20:53.29 | tulcod | caden: then i'd take your opinion with a fair grain of salt |
| 20:53.31 | rohitr | I am not, I am from the land of the *best* tea. |
| 20:53.35 | caden | ooh |
| 20:53.40 | Catfish_Man | tulcod: I defy you to call most of the food I eat disgusting ;) |
| 20:53.42 | summatusmentis | <3 tea |
| 20:53.43 | me_ | best? uhoh. |
| 20:53.45 | xnox | ProPlus is the best coffee =) |
| 20:53.53 | tulcod | Catfish_Man: point taken |
| 20:54.05 | caden | ben and jerry's coffee heath bar ice cream is the best coffee |
| 20:54.08 | Catfish_Man | mmm. Reminds me, I need to go back to Chloe's soon |
| 20:54.10 | caden | aren't catfish bottom feeders? |
| 20:54.11 | tulcod | rohitr: you know what i hate? tea with flavors |
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| 20:54.17 | tulcod | like, strawberry |
| 20:54.23 | tulcod | and ah - blueberry |
| 20:54.37 | Catfish_Man | caden: bottom of the plate at Flour + Water perhaps :D (reached by eating everything on top of it ;) ) |
| 20:54.37 | rohitr | tulcod: ouch!! I cringe at the thought |
| 20:54.38 | schumaml | tulcod: try pepper |
| 20:54.39 | tulcod | orange, for christ's sake |
| 20:54.46 | caden | heh heh |
| 20:54.47 | tulcod | the only thing i haven't seen is mushroom-flavored tea |
| 20:54.55 | caden | i think they have that |
| 20:55.04 | caden | i don't mind an occasional orange spice tea |
| 20:55.14 | caden | i don't like the berry ones though, they curdle milk... euw |
| 20:55.16 | tulcod | caden: see, that's why i still take your opinion with a grain of salt |
| 20:55.28 | caden | oh /that's/ why |
| 20:55.31 | carols | !couch |
| 20:55.31 | socinfo | "couch" is open source couch on which to chill |
| 20:55.40 | carols | goes and hangs out on the couch |
| 20:55.44 | caden | i can't stand it when they mix fruit flavors up with chocolate |
| 20:55.49 | tulcod | XDXD |
| 20:55.55 | caden | as if i want something healthy with my chocolate! |
| 20:55.57 | caden | get real! |
| 20:56.04 | tulcod | you could just as well take a pot of sugar and eat it |
| 20:56.07 | tulcod | that's sweet too |
| 20:56.16 | rohitr | caden: texture ??? |
| 20:56.30 | rohitr | isnt that important? |
| 20:56.33 | caden | sure |
| 20:56.41 | caden | i think i am missing your point |
| 20:56.54 | tulcod | rohitr: tea is usually consumed in liquidous form |
| 20:57.14 | rohitr | I was talking about fruit with chocolate :) |
| 20:57.19 | Catfish_Man | there is one bottled tea worth having, which is http://www.teaviews.com/wp-content/tejava.jpg |
| 20:57.21 | rohitr | and thanks for the info tulcod |
| 20:57.25 | Catfish_Man | it consists of: water, leaves |
| 20:57.26 | caden | hahahahah |
| 20:57.41 | Catfish_Man | none of these random impurities people add :P |
| 20:57.55 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: do they sell that in the states? |
| 20:57.56 | caden | which leaves? |
| 20:58.03 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: yup! |
| 20:58.06 | caden | what about stuff like chamomile and jasmine tea? |
| 20:58.09 | summatusmentis | intriguing |
| 20:58.10 | Catfish_Man | 's in the fridges at work |
| 20:58.18 | caden | where do /you/ work? |
| 20:58.21 | Catfish_Man | Apple |
| 20:58.27 | caden | sounds fancy! |
| 20:58.35 | summatusmentis | that would explain why it's in the fridges at work :) |
| 20:58.46 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: cider would make more sense ;) |
| 20:58.53 | caden | heh heh |
| 20:58.53 | tulcod | Catfish_Man: omfg, don't tell me you have apple-flavored tea ;) |
| 20:59.01 | Catfish_Man | ew |
| 20:59.02 | me_ | anyone favor chai? |
| 20:59.08 | rohitr | ok my recipe for an awesome cup. Boil water, add tea leaves to boiling water. Dont wait for long. Add just some drops of lemon. Strain and enjoy |
| 20:59.14 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: also, "in the states" seems to mean "in California" mostly :) |
| 20:59.20 | tulcod | a friend of mine once told me a recipe for spaghetti |
| 20:59.25 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: I was a portlander until last year |
| 20:59.26 | tulcod | it basically consisted of spaghetti and sugar |
| 20:59.27 | Catfish_Man | we have it there too :P |
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| 20:59.32 | tulcod | and you'd put it in the oven and wait, and then eat it |
| 20:59.37 | MostAwesomeDude | PDX? |
| 20:59.38 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: ok, ok, west coast |
| 20:59.44 | Catfish_Man | *best coast ;) |
| 20:59.52 | Catfish_Man | MostAwesomeDude: indeed |
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| 20:59.53 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 20:59.55 | rohitr | chai ftw, cutting :) |
| 21:00.00 | me_ | oh, also, seattle has an incredible tea! market spice orange! |
| 21:00.11 | bawr | rohitr: amazing! I'm using the same recipe! |
| 21:00.13 | MostAwesomeDude | Catfish_Man: im in corvallis :3 |
| 21:00.24 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: I hope to get into UWashington for grad school |
| 21:00.30 | summatusmentis | then I can be all elitest too :) |
| 21:01.12 | rohitr | so which is better, tea or coffee ;) |
| 21:01.36 | aamiruec | coffee |
| 21:01.37 | Catfish_Man | tea |
| 21:01.46 | MostAwesomeDude | soda |
| 21:02.07 | aamiruec | Bear:) |
| 21:02.18 | tulcod | aamiruec: eh, typo? |
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| 21:02.20 | Wolf_OSGeo | blood :[ |
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| 21:02.30 | mkarnicki | carols: just to mention, the mail you wrote to the list is indeed very informative. supplied links are a must-read, enough info provided :) thanks for clarification. |
| 21:02.31 | Wolf_OSGeo | whoops did I say that :P |
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| 21:03.17 | rohitr | where I am, its a 110 degrees right now, I'd rather prefer water to anything :( |
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| 21:03.28 | aamiruec | tulcod: yeah sorry about that |
| 21:03.48 | carols | mkarnicki: absolutely. thank you :-) |
| 21:03.53 | mkarnicki | :) |
| 21:04.10 | tulcod | aamiruec: cause ah - how were you planning on drinking... a bear? |
| 21:04.27 | MostAwesomeDude | with a straw, i expect |
| 21:04.45 | rohitr | or without one, if you are man enough :) |
| 21:04.45 | bear | hmm, not sure if I would like that |
| 21:04.54 | aamiruec | just got in mind from nowhere |
| 21:05.22 | aamiruec | tulcod: just got in mind from nowhere |
| 21:06.53 | aamiruec | Any suggestions for those who didn't make it for GSOC 2010 |
| 21:07.08 | aamiruec | i am need for that |
| 21:07.12 | rohitr | Fedora has their program coming up |
| 21:07.17 | rohitr | check that out |
| 21:07.19 | sanooj | aamiruec: pick an org now and cozy up to it for next year. :) |
| 21:07.52 | rohitr | KDE has one too, as does Apache, I think |
| 21:07.54 | aamiruec | so i contact them from now?? |
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| 21:08.23 | tulcod | rohitr: hm, what kind of programs are those? |
| 21:09.32 | sanooj | I meant more like get to know and work for a project that you'd like to apply to next year. you'll have a much better view of the project and can be a more effective socer then. |
| 21:09.41 | rohitr | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010#General_information |
| 21:10.21 | aamiruec | thanks rohitr for the link |
| 21:10.42 | tulcod | sanooj: join the IRC channel and fora, read up on bugs going on |
| 21:10.52 | tulcod | try fix some minor issues, if you can |
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| 21:11.26 | sanooj | yeah, exactly. |
| 21:11.43 | rohitr | http://rubysoc.org/ this is the ruby link, but I think the deadline is over |
| 21:11.56 | rohitr | ohh no it hasnt |
| 21:12.36 | rohitr | ruby is paying 5000USD too, "if" that is important for you. |
| 21:12.41 | aamiruec | the deadline is over for rubysoc.org |
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| 21:13.01 | rohitr | ahh yes, sorry my mistake |
| 21:13.03 | tulcod | rohitr: haha - of course it is |
| 21:13.55 | aamiruec | rohitr from where you are? |
| 21:14.12 | rohitr | aamiruec: I am from India, you? |
| 21:14.31 | aamiruec | rohitr: india IIT |
| 21:14.38 | aamiruec | u also from IIT |
| 21:14.46 | aamiruec | ? |
| 21:14.54 | rohitr | aamiruec: Yeah, IIT Kanpur, you? |
| 21:15.11 | aamiruec | I m from IIT Roorkee |
| 21:15.35 | rohitr | ohh good, many roorkee guys applied this year?? |
| 21:15.54 | aamiruec | Are u selected in GSOC 2010 |
| 21:16.18 | rohitr | yes. |
| 21:16.32 | aamiruec | i know only one who is selected from here IIT R |
| 21:16.53 | aamiruec | named Akshay Bhardwaj |
| 21:17.44 | aamiruec | rohitr can i have gmail address or any other permanent contact detail |
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| 21:24.40 | bawr | Okay, let's see if I can get that dream internship right after gsoc... that would be awesome. :) |
| 21:24.54 | summatusmentis | dream internship? |
| 21:25.09 | tulcod | dreaming internship... |
| 21:25.14 | tulcod | that would be neat |
| 21:25.17 | bawr | Mobile Systems' Lab at my university. |
| 21:25.26 | summatusmentis | oh cool :) |
| 21:25.28 | bawr | An extremely cool place. |
| 21:25.31 | tulcod | sounds cool |
| 21:25.31 | summatusmentis | can I ask what University? |
| 21:25.51 | bawr | Technical University of Poznan, Poland. |
| 21:25.56 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 21:26.08 | tulcod | woohoo, europe ftw |
| 21:26.09 | summatusmentis | so not a school I could get into for grad school :) |
| 21:26.40 | tulcod | summatusmentis: as long as you pay, i don't see why not... |
| 21:26.47 | summatusmentis | tulcod: I don't speak polish? |
| 21:26.55 | bawr | But I have it on good authority that there's only two more labs of that class in the world - one at MIT, one at Boeing. :) |
| 21:27.00 | tulcod | summatusmentis: a lot of universities in europe are international-oriented |
| 21:27.20 | ihalip | starting next year, all master courses will be in english at my faculty |
| 21:27.38 | summatusmentis | tulcod: I s'pose it's possible, I've heard european uni's have more intensive program than some US schools |
| 21:27.39 | tulcod | they all are in my university, and even some bachelor |
| 21:27.57 | bawr | Yeah, in Poland lots of universities earn lots of money by attracting foreign students. |
| 21:28.09 | bawr | One of the reasons education for Poles is free. ;) |
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| 21:28.36 | tulcod | well, education for europeans here is not particularly expensive, and the uni's not making great profit on the international students either |
| 21:28.41 | tulcod | it's the dorms that they get good money from |
| 21:28.58 | tulcod | people pay up to, i heard, thousands (!) of euros a month for about 30m^2 |
| 21:29.02 | pyry` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.04 | pyry` | ack, wtf |
| 21:29.05 | pygi | tulcod, o.O |
| 21:29.06 | pygi | weird |
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| 21:29.10 | ihalip | what the. |
| 21:29.13 | pyry` | stabs his IRC client |
| 21:29.22 | Catfish_Man | tulcod: jeez, that makes SF look cheap |
| 21:29.26 | bawr | tulcod: Wow, that's... ouch. |
| 21:29.31 | tulcod | yeah, it's sick |
| 21:29.38 | bawr | I like the Polish system better. :) |
| 21:29.42 | tulcod | the best part is that the foreigners actually pay that kind of money |
| 21:29.55 | ihalip | daaaaamn |
| 21:30.12 | ihalip | with that kind of money, you can buy an apartment in a few months time here |
| 21:30.25 | pygi | buy?! |
| 21:30.37 | ihalip | yep. |
| 21:30.38 | tulcod | ihalip: yeah, normal living spaces aren't expensive here, either |
| 21:30.51 | tulcod | but for some reasons the uni can ask way too much |
| 21:30.55 | pygi | ihalip, its that cheap? Where are you? |
| 21:31.09 | bawr | Hell, let's see... A dorm room in Poland is like what... under 100 euros. That's one hunred. |
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| 21:31.21 | tulcod | bawr: alright, that's pretty cheap indeed |
| 21:31.22 | ihalip | pygi: romania; and you can find decent 2-room apartments starting at 33.000 euros |
| 21:31.29 | tulcod | bawr: starts at about 200E a month here |
| 21:31.32 | tulcod | for a pretty small dorm |
| 21:31.35 | pygi | ihalip, well, thats a lot of months :D |
| 21:31.36 | tulcod | 10m^2 or so |
| 21:31.38 | ihalip | also, this is one of the largest cities in the country |
| 21:32.26 | bawr | Heh. |
| 21:32.36 | tulcod | then again, poland |
| 21:33.03 | bawr | As I said, I like the Polish system. Make foreigners pay tuition, keepd other stuff free or dirt cheap. :) |
| 21:33.11 | ihalip | bawr: still too much for a dorm room |
| 21:33.14 | mkarnicki | 380 euro for 3 room flat in Warsaw ;> |
| 21:33.17 | JSund | here in Stockholm, Sweden, the usual student dorms (singles with 16-18 m^2 bedroom and bathroom with a shared kitchen) are priced at about â¬260/month, 10 months/year |
| 21:33.20 | ihalip | out here's it's less than 25 euros |
| 21:33.44 | rohitr | subsidised food in Europe is yummm |
| 21:33.51 | ihalip | hell, i pay 280 euros/month for a 3-room apartment |
| 21:34.00 | tulcod | ihalip: lol, awesome |
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| 21:34.04 | bawr | Neat. |
| 21:34.20 | bawr | JSund: Wow. |
| 21:34.24 | Catfish_Man | ihalip: around here $2800USD/month will get you a rather nice 2 bedroom apartment in a not very nice area |
| 21:34.26 | ihalip | also, the salaries are waaay lower than the rest of europe, so it evens out |
| 21:34.37 | bawr | See, I like Poland more already. |
| 21:34.43 | tulcod | i pay... let's see... about 300E for a 16m^2 dorm with a sink, shared bathroom and shared kitchen, and uni's internet (==wicked) |
| 21:34.55 | JSund | I share a ~90 m^2 apartment with two other students for about â¬950/month |
| 21:35.06 | ihalip | Catfish_Man: damn! with 3000$/month, i'm going to be the next mayor in this city :P |
| 21:35.55 | tulcod | Catfish_Man: that means you'd need to do 7 gsoc projects a year :o |
| 21:36.05 | ihalip | JSund: where do you get that kind of cash? :/ |
| 21:36.08 | ChipX86 | Catfish_Man: and I thought my rent was bad |
| 21:36.16 | Catfish_Man | ChipX86: this is why I have a housemate :P |
| 21:36.23 | tulcod | ihalip: 950 / 3 = 313 |
| 21:36.24 | ChipX86 | I live alone, but have a 2 bed 2 bath |
| 21:36.41 | tulcod | err, 317 |
| 21:36.48 | ihalip | tulcod - still, 300 euros/month is still a lot for me |
| 21:36.53 | tulcod | it is? |
| 21:36.54 | rohitr | ok general perception here at IIT K. Europe is not rigorous when it comes to a PhD. Go there if you want a relaxed life. USA is extremely competitive academically. Go there if you want to make something out of your life. This is from a batch where 20-30% percent of the batch go on for higher education, abroad. Is this true? |
| 21:37.07 | ihalip | i don't think i ever held 300 euros in my hand |
| 21:37.40 | Kosma | and to think that I consider my Polish salary pretty low... |
| 21:37.48 | tulcod | rohitr: that's new to me. the only thing i know about the academic world in america is that they don't publish uninteresting researches, which means most of the researches are done in triple |
| 21:38.24 | JSund | ihalip: the Swedish government pays students about â¬850/month to students, of which 3/4 is a loan |
| 21:38.35 | tulcod | rohitr: i do know of some pretty dull PhDs here in the netherlands though |
| 21:38.54 | rohitr | ok I did my intern in Europe |
| 21:38.56 | Catfish_Man | rohitr: depends on the school a lot. There's also a good % of schools where people just drink a lot instead |
| 21:39.10 | tulcod | a relative was studying artificial intelligence, he basically built a robot which could drive through a room |
| 21:39.12 | rohitr | My proff came at 10 am and left at 2:30 pm |
| 21:39.21 | ihalip | JSund: wow. just wow. i could live like a king with that kind of ca$h |
| 21:39.25 | bawr | rohitr: Uhh, this is new to me. |
| 21:40.02 | rohitr | bawr: This is just the perception here. It could be wrong of course :) |
| 21:40.04 | JSund | ihalip: a bit more expensive to live around here I guess - not that I starve or anything, but it's not that much here |
| 21:40.18 | bawr | At my uni people aren't really competitive, some are just laying low, but I'd say at least one third work their ass off 24/7... so I'd disagree. |
| 21:40.24 | tulcod | JSund: well yeah, but you simply live differently, too |
| 21:40.32 | tulcod | i mean, the way you buy food, everything's different |
| 21:40.47 | tulcod | think about all the africans living off of 7$ a week |
| 21:40.58 | tulcod | that's not extremely hard at all, you just live differently |
| 21:41.16 | JSund | yeah |
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| 21:41.29 | bawr | I don't really think location matters much, especially the way you described it, rohitr. |
| 21:41.31 | tulcod | music time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tV11acSRk |
| 21:42.16 | JSund | tulcod: I'm quite thankful that the Swedish government actually finances the studies around here - you get money to study and no tuition fees <3 |
| 21:42.59 | bawr | JSund: Yeah, free education rocks. |
| 21:43.03 | tulcod | JSund: here in the netherlands, we're starting to run into money problems, so there's a bit of a discussion to change the gift of roughly 200E a month into a loan |
| 21:43.17 | tulcod | (you can get extra loan too, i think 400E a month) |
| 21:43.21 | pjlantz | yeah tou get the money that have to be paied back till unteriment |
| 21:43.39 | bawr | I could never quite wrap my head about the US system, really. |
| 21:43.50 | tulcod | JSund: and ah - there is tuition, but it's highly subsidized. this year, it's just 1620E |
| 21:44.01 | JSund | tulcod: sounds like the Swedish system with only part of it being an optional loan |
| 21:44.02 | tulcod | (international students pay roughly 14k) |
| 21:44.19 | tulcod | JSund: yeah |
| 21:44.34 | rohitr | bawr: Scholarship for the good ones. Everybody else pays through their nose, Works quite well though. :) |
| 21:44.45 | tulcod | JSund: but yeah, the weather is better out here, too, so it makes sens |
| 21:44.48 | tulcod | sense* |
| 21:45.45 | bawr | rohitr: The way I undertsand it, even the best need to pay up in the US, just not as much... was I misinformed? |
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| 21:45.59 | Catfish_Man | bawr: depends on the school |
| 21:46.09 | Catfish_Man | a lot of the top schools have "full ride" scholarships |
| 21:46.32 | rohitr | bawr: No I dont think so. I have had many friends/batchmates getting full scholarship including living expenses for their masters/phd |
| 21:47.10 | bawr | Hm... sounds like it could work, too... but erh, I like the idea of free education. |
| 21:47.29 | tulcod | bawr: i agree, but would leave out hte last word |
| 21:47.50 | bawr | tulcod: Hmm? |
| 21:47.54 | pjlantz | JSund: what will you be working on and where in sweden are you from ? |
| 21:47.55 | tulcod | i like the idea of free |
| 21:48.19 | bawr | If there's one thing it's better with... we don't get the customer attitude. None of it. |
| 21:48.36 | JSund | pjlantz: I'll be implementing a library for safe handling of C strings for OpenAFS, and I live in Stockholm |
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| 21:48.56 | pjlantz | JSund: from kth ? |
| 21:49.00 | bawr | tulcod: That, too. Stuff should be free or at least easy to steal. ;) |
| 21:49.11 | tulcod | hehe |
| 21:49.12 | JSund | pjlantz: yeah, how about you? |
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| 21:49.20 | pjlantz | JSund: lth :9 |
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| 21:49.34 | bawr | Yet another string library? Heh. |
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| 21:50.10 | pjlantz | JSund: what are the plans for "valborg" tomorroow in stockholm ? |
| 21:50.17 | JSund | pjlantz: Lund? Nice to see another Swede in here |
| 21:50.43 | JSund | pjlantz: some of my friends at the Computer Science chapter will get together in our chapter common area and play some board games :) |
| 21:50.48 | rohitr | Anyone from Croatia?? |
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| 21:52.24 | pjlantz | JSund: sounds nice, at our section nothing is reallty planned, people are just going to be wasted |
| 21:52.25 | bawr | Apparently no such luck, heh. |
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| 21:53.00 | rohitr | Anyone with a non CS major/background? |
| 21:53.01 | JSund | pjlantz: as usual during walpurgis night in Sweden then |
| 21:53.27 | pjlantz | JSund: yeah guess so, first time on gsoc ? |
| 21:53.53 | JSund | yeah, you? |
| 21:54.00 | pjlantz | yes same here |
| 21:54.09 | JSund | what's your project? |
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| 21:54.34 | tulcod | rohitr: sure, EE |
| 21:54.35 | pjlantz | JSund: i'll be writing a botnet monitor for the honeynet project |
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| 21:55.19 | pjlantz | JSund: i gotta go, see you around |
| 21:55.28 | JSund | pjlantz: okay, see you |
| 21:55.32 | tylercurtis | rohitr: I haven't chosen a major yet, although I'm leaning towards CS. |
| 21:55.45 | rohitr | tulcod: That almost the same :P. I am from Civil Engineering. |
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| 21:56.03 | tulcod | rohitr: ah, concrete! |
| 21:56.20 | Koutousov | rohitr: i dont have a CS background either, Geomatic Engineering here |
| 21:56.36 | tulcod | rohitr: but no, CS != EE |
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| 21:56.59 | tulcod | what we know as EE now is indeed what CS used to be about 40 years ago |
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| 21:57.32 | rohitr | tulcod: I am quite poor in structural engineering. I failed a course on concrete structures once. :| |
| 21:57.33 | tulcod | but CS is about algorithms and binary math |
| 21:57.44 | rohitr | true true |
| 21:57.46 | tulcod | EE is much more about calculus, physics and... electrical engineering, strangely |
| 21:57.55 | tulcod | continuous mathematics though |
| 21:58.00 | rohitr | I know, kidding but there is some overlap though |
| 21:58.24 | tulcod | rohitr: hehe, here in Delft we always greet civil engineering guys with "hey, concrete!" |
| 21:58.29 | tulcod | i guess it's a bit of an inside joke |
| 21:58.49 | tulcod | well, we don't greet them, but if they tell they're studying civil engineering, that's the first response they get |
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| 21:59.12 | bawr | I'm kind of doing a double major in CS/EE... it's neat :3 |
| 21:59.17 | tulcod | loads of people don't understand others' studies here... :D |
| 21:59.33 | tulcod | bawr: hm, a guy in my group is doing both AI and EE |
| 21:59.43 | tulcod | i guess it's pretty sweet |
| 21:59.46 | rohitr | tulcod: Its funny that people make fun of us here too. :) Is civil engineering really that funny ?? |
| 21:59.50 | tulcod | cause you get to see a lot of parts of the same technology |
| 22:00.03 | tulcod | rohitr: i think it's the "civil" that does it |
| 22:00.03 | bawr | Yup. Also, I like hardware. |
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| 22:00.15 | rohitr | why not "mechanical" engineering |
| 22:00.20 | tulcod | rohitr: but honestly, all studies are made fun of |
| 22:00.31 | tulcod | rohitr: well, civilian != student |
| 22:00.39 | tulcod | there's a big discrepancy between the two |
| 22:00.50 | tulcod | you're supposed to be a student, not a civilian... dunno man, just guessing |
| 22:01.44 | tulcod | bawr: what year are you in? |
| 22:01.56 | me_ | hmm what else are folks studying? |
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| 22:02.46 | rohitr | neways my focus area is geoinformatics and not structural. People of India should thank me for that ;) |
| 22:02.58 | tulcod | hehe |
| 22:03.02 | bkgood | I'm a mathematics undergrad :) |
| 22:03.05 | rohitr | I dont think a bridge or dam that I design would stand for long |
| 22:03.23 | tulcod | rohitr: meh, as long as you get paid before it collapses xD |
| 22:04.11 | bawr | tulcod: Second year so far. |
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| 22:05.27 | rohitr | tulcod: Its a criminal offense, I think. They would throw me in Jail. A civil engineer has to be registered like a doctor and is liable to be sued for negligence |
| 22:05.46 | tulcod | oh? |
| 22:05.51 | tulcod | rohitr: interesting |
| 22:06.01 | tulcod | i hope you don't have to be registered as an electrical engineer :P |
| 22:06.25 | rohitr | ahh well a TV failing is not important :P |
| 22:07.31 | bawr | Actually, if you design, say, a cabling plan for a factory and later all cables melt because you did it wrong, you're liable as an electrical enginner. |
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| 22:07.31 | tulcod | bawr: well yeah, but that's just the law |
| 22:07.31 | tulcod | i mean, doctors have to conform to some kind of oath |
| 22:07.48 | rohitr | and civil engineers to the code book :) |
| 22:07.55 | bawr | I don't think there's an Edison's Oath, no. ;) |
| 22:08.09 | tulcod | hehe |
| 22:08.16 | tulcod | rohitr: that sounds much like DnD |
| 22:08.18 | tulcod | ;) |
| 22:08.34 | rohitr | really its pretty mundane |
| 22:08.48 | rohitr | you have a book that tells you what size should be the beam |
| 22:09.02 | rohitr | how much should you reinforce it |
| 22:09.16 | tulcod | rohitr: wait, so if i just buy that code book, i can build my own bridges and stuff? |
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| 22:10.24 | rohitr | hehe not really, but along with a couple of courses in structural mechanics |
| 22:10.25 | rohitr | yeah |
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| 22:11.38 | rohitr | i like to think that, the course being mundane is the reason I failed that course ;) |
| 22:11.55 | rohitr | of course the truth is that I didnt study |
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| 22:12.03 | tulcod | hehe |
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| 22:14.04 | cj | [unimportant] anything interesting happening here? |
| 22:14.15 | cj | maybe I should /nick cj_unimportant |
| 22:14.16 | tulcod | no, it's extremely boring here |
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| 22:15.42 | rohitr | cj: define "interesting" |
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| 22:29.09 | rohitr | is off to sleep. good night everyone |
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| 22:36.04 | cj | hi carols :) |
| 22:36.15 | carols | hey cj :-) |
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| 22:37.28 | pygi | carols, do you distribute cookies and cocoa as well? |
| 22:37.58 | carols | serves cocoa and cookies and tea :-) |
| 22:38.10 | carols | looks at SRabbelier to serve stroopwafels |
| 22:38.11 | carols | :-) |
| 22:38.25 | SRabbelier | carols: Very well |
| 22:38.35 | SRabbelier | serves stroopwafels with soft ijs |
| 22:38.39 | carols | yay! |
| 22:38.47 | carols | munches stroopwafels and softijs |
| 22:38.49 | aamiruec | carols bring me one coce |
| 22:39.21 | rohitr | :O be more polite aamir |
| 22:39.41 | carols | thanks rohitr :-) |
| 22:39.48 | aamiruec | just doing some time pass |
| 22:39.59 | aamiruec | don't want ot hurt anybody |
| 22:40.28 | aamiruec | sorry carols |
| 22:40.59 | bawr | carols: Good cookies, those. |
| 22:41.09 | bawr | sneakily notes the position of a new cookie jar |
| 22:42.20 | mlankhorst | carols: haha :D you had that in the netherlands? |
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| 22:43.04 | carols | mlankhorst: lots. i love stroopwafels :-) |
| 22:43.13 | carols | no aamiruec, thanks |
| 22:43.18 | mlankhorst | what about drop? |
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| 22:43.59 | carols | mlankhorst: no, dont think so. doesnt sound familair |
| 22:44.02 | carols | *familiar |
| 22:44.31 | mlankhorst | http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=drop&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 22:46.44 | mlankhorst | if im going to the mentor summit, remind me to bring you some drop and stroopwafels, if customs let me :) |
| 22:47.05 | bkgood | mlankhorst: are you belgian? |
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| 22:47.33 | mlankhorst | dutch |
| 22:47.41 | bkgood | ah |
| 22:47.54 | mlankhorst | else it would have been google.be |
| 22:48.17 | bkgood | well quite different from stroopwafels but I really miss brusselse wafels... if I even spelled that right |
| 22:48.28 | bkgood | ah I didn't see a hostname |
| 22:49.04 | mlankhorst | bossche bollen :D |
| 22:50.10 | bkgood | haha yes please. what are the fried meat sticks (horrible description), you can buy them on the street out of little windows you put a euro in |
| 22:50.24 | bkgood | in the netherlands, I had whatever it was in rotterdam |
| 22:50.27 | mlankhorst | kroket/frikadel? |
| 22:50.40 | bkgood | kroket, ja |
| 22:50.54 | aamiruec | bkgood u were in netherlands |
| 22:51.16 | bkgood | a few years ago, only spent maybe a total of a week there |
| 22:51.28 | bkgood | spent quite a bit of time in flanders tho |
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| 22:51.55 | aamiruec | ok |
| 22:52.06 | mlankhorst | there are a few variants on it :) |
| 22:53.03 | mlankhorst | home made kroket = even more yummy |
| 22:53.12 | bkgood | is it beef? I don't think I ever asked |
| 22:53.42 | mlankhorst | don't ask :) |
| 22:54.15 | bkgood | oh one of those things |
| 22:54.27 | Neo-- | hm, did I smell cookies? |
| 22:54.40 | mlankhorst | well, everyone knows, but nobody wants to be reminded haha |
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| 22:56.32 | bkgood | I have a keychain from the netherlands :) not very dutch though, it was from hema and for children but I discovered it's a bottle opener if you're desperate |
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| 22:57.38 | bkgood | mlankhorst: do you know anything about studying in the netherlands as a foreign student? |
| 22:58.23 | Neo-- | are there any google folks around? |
| 22:58.43 | mlankhorst | mostly germans who do that :P |
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| 22:58.58 | mlankhorst | though some others too |
| 23:00.55 | bkgood | are graduate level courses generally taught in dutch? |
| 23:02.05 | nesciens | graduate is for Master's right? |
| 23:02.25 | bkgood | right, and phD |
| 23:03.53 | nesciens | I think it's mostly in English for computer science and maths at my uni, don't know about other studies |
| 23:04.36 | bkgood | ah well that's all I care about |
| 23:04.38 | bkgood | :) |
| 23:05.57 | bkgood | I'm thinking I'd like to study back at KU Leuven but I liked the netherlands well enough too |
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| 23:11.04 | mlankhorst | ow and of course, there can only be chocolademelk :P |
| 23:13.15 | mlankhorst | with fresh milk |
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