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| 00:15.14 | vshader | is back. |
| 00:15.30 | Catfish_Man | vshader: please don't use away announcements |
| 00:15.36 | Catfish_Man | if everyone here did it, the channel would be unusable |
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| 00:19.46 | ojwb | and indeed, so would any channel with a significant population |
| 00:20.05 | MostAwesomeDude | #python gives one warning, and then KB. |
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| 01:21.09 | fweisbec | hi |
| 01:21.39 | fweisbec | I wonder why I'm not listed as a student in my organization's page: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2009/linux_foundation |
| 01:23.43 | fweisbec | hmm may be that's because I check with my account and the list considers I don't need to see my own project, so it filters |
| 01:23.45 | fweisbec | whatever |
| 01:24.36 | ojwb | doesn't see anyone who's likely to be you there |
| 01:24.45 | ojwb | I assume you were actually accepted? |
| 01:24.57 | ojwb | fweisbec: ah, check the URL |
| 01:24.59 | ojwb | *2009* |
| 01:25.14 | fweisbec | ojwb: geeze |
| 01:25.24 | fweisbec | ok :) |
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| 04:30.33 | rohitr | Ok right side up would mean? "Correct" side up or the "right/dextro" side up? |
| 04:33.03 | rohitr | *not joking*. The documents should be vertical, right? |
| 04:38.52 | MatthewWilkes | rohitr: I don't know what you are quoting but that means "Oriented correctly" |
| 04:40.14 | rohitr | MatthewWilkes: The mail from carols. |
| 04:40.32 | rohitr | MatthewWilkes: and thank you. |
| 04:44.01 | MatthewWilkes | rohitr: We don't all get the same mails, there are multiple mailing lists for different things |
| 04:47.06 | rohitr | MatthewWilkes: I was quoting from the mail, that carols wrote to the students-ml, regarding document submission. It said that documents should be preferably, right side up. In hindsight my question was just a *little* silly, but better to ask than to not ask , eh? |
| 04:47.22 | rohitr | MatthewWilkes: and in my defense I just woke up. |
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| 04:50.35 | robbyoconnor | everybody |
| 04:50.40 | robbyoconnor | I love you |
| 04:51.17 | Catfish_Man | been out drinkin', eh? ;) |
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| 04:52.48 | svaksha | rohitr: on which list did carol mail this? |
| 04:54.59 | rohitr | svaksha: gsoc accepted students mailing list |
| 04:55.04 | svaksha | google-summer-of-code-students-list? |
| 04:55.12 | svaksha | looks |
| 04:55.15 | robbyoconnor | not to bitchand whine but Citi *AGAIN*?! |
| 04:55.37 | rohitr | whats wrong with citi |
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| 04:55.52 | summatusmentis | they put limits on how much you can withdraw per day |
| 04:55.55 | robbyoconnor | it's bad |
| 04:56.02 | MostAwesomeDude | Citi wasn't too bad. Prepaid cards, in general, are a pain, but when I went to drain mine, I was able to do it fairly painlessly. |
| 04:56.14 | robbyoconnor | and I have no use for the ACM membership :/ |
| 04:56.17 | rohitr | summatusmentis: so that if you lose your card |
| 04:56.19 | robbyoconnor | I gotta call them :/. |
| 04:56.24 | rohitr | you can salvage something :) |
| 04:56.27 | robbyoconnor | im not ungrateful, i'm very grateful |
| 04:56.33 | robbyoconnor | just have to call the ACM now :/ |
| 04:56.45 | svaksha | rohitr, got it on the archives, /me is on digest mode<--late |
| 04:56.48 | MostAwesomeDude | Yeah, being required to have an online login from which you can, among other things, freeze the card, is quite cool. |
| 04:56.59 | summatusmentis | rohitr: I understand the reasoning, it was just sort of annoying, because a lot of students try to withdraw all the money right away, for things like rent and so forth |
| 04:57.35 | rohitr | ACM membership is of no use to me :(. Can I transfer it to someone else? |
| 04:57.50 | summatusmentis | I have no idea |
| 04:58.11 | robbyoconnor | :/ |
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| 04:59.48 | rohitr | The Nexus one rumors were untrue :(. Damn those rumor mongerers. |
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| 05:01.03 | robbyoconnor | :| |
| 05:01.09 | robbyoconnor | throws stuff |
| 05:01.59 | rohitr | thinks that throwing *teddy bears* is not a tantrum ;) |
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| 05:04.01 | MostAwesomeDude | Seriously, though, the money can be used for so many things. |
| 05:04.13 | MostAwesomeDude | It's minimum wage, roughly, if you're planning on surviving off it. |
| 05:04.22 | MostAwesomeDude | You could stash it. (I socked roughly half of mine.) |
| 05:04.30 | MostAwesomeDude | You could go to Fry's and go to town. :3 |
| 05:04.52 | rohitr | MostAwesomeDude: Not if you are in the 3rd world. Living in the 3rd world has its perks, I guess ;) |
| 05:05.14 | rohitr | MostAwesomeDude: Its *much more* than minimum wage |
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| 05:12.20 | rohitr | is already making plans for the awesome trek routes he can do with this money including Everest Base Camp ;). |
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| 05:26.31 | MatthewWilkes | rohitr: My point was, as I'm not a student I don't see emails to the students mailing list |
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| 05:43.04 | vshader | is away: Gone away for now |
| 05:45.24 | vshader | is back. |
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| 05:56.57 | ojwb | vshader: seriously, turn that off |
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| 05:58.28 | Catfish_Man | got confused there |
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| 06:12.01 | GG | hi |
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| 06:24.27 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 06:34.49 | GG | !next |
| 06:34.49 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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| 06:37.10 | GG | j |
| 06:39.35 | GG | oh |
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| 11:03.46 | qrng | Good morning, monsieurs et mesdames. |
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| 11:04.16 | drt24 | how do I download the form at: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/web/2009_foreign_certification.pdf if my address for the mailing list is not a googlemail account? |
| 11:04.36 | qrng | drt24: It is the old form. |
| 11:04.40 | drt24 | is it possible that it be in melage rather than in the students list files? |
| 11:04.47 | drt24 | true... |
| 11:04.47 | qrng | Carol has promised to fix this Real Soon Now. |
| 11:04.51 | drt24 | :-) |
| 11:05.06 | drt24 | yes but if it is distributed in the same manner I still won't be able to access it |
| 11:05.15 | qrng | Me, too. |
| 11:05.19 | darkip | I just submitted the form with the year changed to 2010 |
| 11:05.26 | darkip | haven't heard back yet though |
| 11:05.42 | qrng | Hm, it is a PDF file, no? |
| 11:05.59 | darkip | I obviously took the text out and made a new one |
| 11:06.14 | qrng | Ah, too much work. |
| 11:06.42 | qrng | And, after all, I am a mathematician and I couldn't be bothered to learn how those silly word processors operate. |
| 11:07.02 | qrng | The pinacle of my computer knowledge is my skill with LaTeX. |
| 11:07.09 | drt24 | it is fairly easy to modify pdf files |
| 11:07.26 | qrng | Given the right tools, of course. |
| 11:07.55 | drt24 | Xournal works |
| 11:07.59 | drt24 | and is free |
| 11:09.19 | drt24 | wonders if it is possible for carols to email as an attachement to the list and have it arrive as a normal email attachment... (Yes I know this is Wrong but it might work). |
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| 11:27.34 | infinity0 | drt24: link your non-gmail account to your gmail account, then ask them to swap the subscription address |
| 11:27.37 | infinity0 | that's what i did last year |
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| 11:41.17 | ojwb | for simple fixes, or just filling in a few fields, importing PDF to inkscape works pretty well |
| 11:41.52 | ojwb | it's tedious for long forms as you have to do it one page at a time |
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| 11:58.34 | qrng | Hm, and this Foreign what-not form is long? |
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| 11:58.53 | ojwb | I doubt it |
| 11:59.03 | ojwb | the one I needed for mentoring payments wasn't |
| 11:59.33 | qrng | Thanks God for small mercies, I have administrivia with passion. |
| 11:59.41 | qrng | *hate |
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| 12:09.04 | infinity0 | mentors need to fill in forms? woops |
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| 12:10.44 | infinity0 | uh i don't see anything for 2010 on the groups page |
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| 12:16.24 | ojwb | infinity0: no, but someone at the org does if they want the $500/mentored student |
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| 12:17.11 | ojwb | but not until october or so |
| 12:17.18 | infinity0 | oh ok |
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| 12:26.40 | qrng | I bet 10$ it is not a girl. |
| 12:28.53 | igorlukanin | Better bet your further 505+2255+2255 =) |
| 12:31.29 | qrng | Be reasonable. |
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| 12:31.43 | qrng | There're always possibilities, however small. |
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| 12:33.03 | igorlukanin | There's always a possibility it was just a joke, huh ) |
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| 12:34.45 | drt24 | infinity0: thank you, that worked, I have now got my email-gsoc@domain address associated with my gmail account :-) |
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| 12:35.22 | infinity0 | cool, np |
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| 12:38.20 | Andrius | does gsoc get students who can't prove they are actually students? |
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| 12:42.30 | margiolas | Hello I am student this year for the omii_uk and I haven't recieved any invitation for the student list. I know that other students have been subscribed. How can i fix this problem? |
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| 12:43.05 | kblin | !support |
| 12:43.05 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 12:43.10 | kblin | or probably |
| 12:43.13 | kblin | !patience |
| 12:43.14 | socinfo | "patience" is very important in GSoC. Check !next and the !timeline and go code something useful. |
| 12:44.04 | margiolas | !next |
| 12:44.05 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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| 12:46.25 | drt24 | kblin: I think that all the students have been added now because vital information has been sent to the list |
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| 12:47.20 | SukhE | margiolas: I think you should contact the email address. As drt24 pointed out, you should have been added by now. |
| 12:48.02 | margiolas | ok thanks I will send an email |
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| 12:50.43 | ojwb | Andrius: i'd imagine if you are a student, a way can be found to prove it, and if you aren't you probably wouldn't go through all the work to get this far only to get chucked out without any payment |
| 12:51.01 | ojwb | given the numbers involved, it may have happened though |
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| 13:05.17 | drt24 | infinity0: which tax forms do I need for the UK? (I assume you had to fill in UK tax forms last year?) |
| 13:05.43 | infinity0 | i don't think you need to pay tax for gsoc, it's way under the taxable limit |
| 13:06.04 | drt24 | ahh ok, so I just tell them there is no tax form? |
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| 13:07.51 | infinity0 | drt24: tell who? google? last year iirc the only thing on the form that i signed, was to say "i'm not a US citizen so don't try to tax google" or something to that effect |
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| 13:08.10 | drt24 | gg |
| 13:08.20 | drt24 | thank you. |
| 13:08.46 | GG | drt24: ? |
| 13:10.04 | drt24 | sorry GG, I meant good good. :-( |
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| 13:14.02 | adifire_ | hi.. for the proof of enrollment, is it enough to state that I was enrolled in the university on any of the coming days? or is it specifically April 26 |
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| 13:16.53 | ojwb | adifire_: the FAQ answers that... |
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| 13:17.24 | adifire_ | ojwb, ok..thanks...lame Q.. :) |
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| 13:26.42 | qrng | adifire_: Send Carols whatever you get from your students' affairs department and see if that suffices. |
| 13:27.27 | qrng | They will certainly tell you if they find any issues. |
| 13:28.00 | adifire_ | qrng, ok..nice idea.. thanks!!! :D |
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| 14:30.40 | adifire_ | has new non-US tax forms come? |
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| 15:00.49 | |Rostislav| | can someone tell me, how the stuff (like debit cards) is shipped (by DHL, Fedex, etc. or by ordinary mail)? do I have to be at the place where stuff is shipped to? Can other people (like family members) pick up my stuff? |
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| 15:01.37 | MostAwesomeDude | It'll be Fedex for domestic. Not sure how they did it for international. |
| 15:01.50 | MostAwesomeDude | IIRC I had to sign for it. |
| 15:04.11 | |Rostislav| | if I write my mum's name in the shipping info, will she be able to pick up my stuff? or I will have too sign for it? |
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| 15:04.48 | mlankhorst | just wait with those questions till the time comes to collect money :) |
| 15:05.33 | |Rostislav| | afaik, the cards are sent on 24th may - and it's soon! |
| 15:05.43 | firc | hi! is the updated tax form out yet/ |
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| 15:10.06 | smtms | |Rostislav|, if her data's on the package label, she will be receiving it and signing for it |
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| 15:10.28 | smtms | |Rostislav|, I believe FedEx allows family members to receive your packages |
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| 15:23.23 | fig_ | !next |
| 15:23.23 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
| 15:24.34 | fig_ | !countdown |
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| 15:24.38 | ojwb | I think they ship with fedex for everyone, but it may arrive by a local courier if that's what fedex do in your country |
| 15:26.13 | Gracenotes | I put my home address on there, and I don't get home until the 17th |
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| 15:26.27 | Gracenotes | that shouldn't be a problem, I hope |
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| 15:28.02 | ojwb | not if they ship on 24th |
| 15:28.15 | Gracenotes | :o |
| 15:28.43 | Gracenotes | the mail's course may be mysteriously altered by my location a week earlier |
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| 15:30.27 | fig_ | hi all,, is this really the program timeline?? http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60325&topic=10729 |
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| 15:31.07 | ojwb | !timeline |
| 15:31.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 15:31.11 | ojwb | that is the timeline |
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| 15:44.24 | cdcs | hello, anyone knows if a international student identity card is a valid enrolement certificate? |
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| 15:48.23 | tulcod | cdcs: does it prove you're a student as of april 26th, 2010? |
| 15:49.20 | cdcs | it is a student card valid up to 2011, but it doesn't say that i was enrolled that particular year |
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| 15:51.04 | tulcod | cdcs: you'll anyhow need to send some sort of proof you were a student on april the 26th |
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| 15:56.49 | ajuonline | cdcs: if thats issued by your university. which I dont think it is, |
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| 15:59.38 | cdcs | ajuonline, it is emitted by a bank associated with my university |
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| 16:00.57 | ojwb | cdcs: I doubt anyone here can give you a reliable answer - if it's not in the FAQ or answered on the student list already, try asking carols: |
| 16:01.00 | ojwb | !contact |
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| 16:01.11 | ojwb | grr, can never remember that one |
| 16:01.15 | ojwb | gsoc@google.com IIRC |
| 16:01.25 | ojwb | !support |
| 16:01.25 | socinfo | "support" is available at gsoc@google.com |
| 16:01.28 | ojwb | ha, there |
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| 16:04.43 | ajuonline | cdcs: the one that I had, had a validity more than my University course duration. so thats the problem with such cards, |
| 16:04.51 | ajuonline | cdcs: but what ojwb said, |
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| 16:05.49 | cdcs | thanks. i will ask Carols |
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| 18:17.46 | RoAkSoAx | carols, Hi there. Is it possible for us to discuss what other options I have regarding my issue with CPT? |
| 18:18.22 | carols | RoAkSoAx: we're in contact via email, yes? |
| 18:19.16 | RoAkSoAx | carols, we are, but I mean in a faster means of communication since I have couple more days to work things out with my University (Due to course registering deadlines and stuff like that) |
| 18:20.00 | carols | RoAkSoAx: i appreciate that, but i dont really have the time to answer questions in IRC right now, i've got about 400 other things going on. i will respond to your email. |
| 18:20.36 | robbyoconnor | hey carols |
| 18:20.37 | RoAkSoAx | carols, ok then. Thanks though :) |
| 18:20.41 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 18:27.40 | gevaerts | gives carols some tea and cookies to help with the 400 things |
| 18:27.55 | robbyoconnor | sighs |
| 18:27.56 | carols | thanks so much, gevaerts :-) |
| 18:27.59 | carols | hey robbyoconnor :-) |
| 18:28.29 | robbyoconnor | carols: sorry for the email |
| 18:28.37 | robbyoconnor | just shocked me that citi is being used again |
| 18:28.47 | carols | robbyoconnor: no problem, dont have time to talk about this right now |
| 18:29.08 | robbyoconnor | have fun! |
| 18:29.09 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 18:29.33 | |Rostislav| | is there something wrong with citi??? |
| 18:29.56 | |Rostislav| | why did it shock you? |
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| 18:33.25 | anonymouse89 | robbyoconnor: I'm also curious, were there problems in the past? |
| 18:35.27 | robbyoconnor | |Rostislav|: they limited (quite badly) how much we could get out; charged us a fee to withdraw *FROM THEM EVEN* |
| 18:35.33 | robbyoconnor | all in all they're just not good. |
| 18:35.50 | smtms | they couldn't find a bank that will charge $12 + 7% per transaction, that's why we get Citi again |
| 18:35.52 | robbyoconnor | I know a fee-less ATM |
| 18:36.17 | robbyoconnor | smtms: so you're saying they wanted to f us over? lol |
| 18:36.22 | robbyoconnor | don't say that! |
| 18:36.45 | |Rostislav| | robbyoconnor: are you talking about USA or another country? |
| 18:37.02 | smtms | |Rostislav|, fees in USA, even larger fees in other countries |
| 18:37.36 | robbyoconnor | $1.50/transaction at an ATM |
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| 18:37.46 | robbyoconnor | to withdraw your money |
| 18:38.01 | anonymouse89 | robbyoconnor: do you know what the max withdrawl is on the citi card? |
| 18:38.21 | robbyoconnor | I never was able to test beyond $600 |
| 18:38.22 | joshthecoder | oh darn the Chicago Saturday meetup got called off :\ |
| 18:38.24 | pygi | anonymouse89, for us its $1000 daily |
| 18:38.40 | |Rostislav| | robbyoconnor: is that big for you??? just take 1000 together - it's less than 0.2% ! |
| 18:38.48 | robbyoconnor | anonymouse89: and that's not good considering this year we get $2250 at a time :) |
| 18:38.54 | smtms | oh, don't mention their ridiculous daily withdrawal limits, that blocked withdrawals for a week |
| 18:39.10 | anonymouse89 | robbyoconnor: so you're saying there's a $1.50 fee even at a citi ATM? |
| 18:39.18 | robbyoconnor | likely yes |
| 18:39.26 | robbyoconnor | anonymouse89: welcome to gsoc :) |
| 18:39.30 | robbyoconnor | congrats :) |
| 18:39.31 | sanjoyd | is thinking of transferring the money from his card to his other account ASAP after the money comes. |
| 18:39.39 | robbyoconnor | sanjoyd: good luck. |
| 18:39.47 | robbyoconnor | you have to FIRST take it out at an ATM |
| 18:39.51 | anonymouse89 | robbyoconnor: thanks |
| 18:39.51 | robbyoconnor | THEN transfer it. |
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| 18:40.01 | robbyoconnor | aka you're still gonna get bitten. |
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| 18:40.12 | sanjoyd | :/ |
| 18:40.16 | ThibG | sounds funny |
| 18:40.39 | sanjoyd | robbyoconnor, what do you suggest? |
| 18:40.42 | |Rostislav| | I wonder why won't they do a wire transfer without sending anything? |
| 18:41.05 | sanjoyd | Or give us 10 iPads? |
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| 18:41.08 | sanjoyd | :D |
| 18:41.13 | Mek | because they prefer to have a solution that works for everybody, not just a subset of students |
| 18:41.21 | gevaerts | |Rostislav|: that doesn't work in lots of parts of the world |
| 18:41.29 | robbyoconnor | sanjoyd: I don want an ipad |
| 18:41.36 | robbyoconnor | in fact I'd be happy if that thing never existed. |
| 18:41.45 | sanjoyd | Many of us would be, I guess. |
| 18:41.48 | robbyoconnor | android is getting flash -- when is the ipad getting it. |
| 18:41.58 | joshthecoder | never |
| 18:41.59 | |Rostislav| | is it a problem to open a bank account in China/India/etc ? |
| 18:42.19 | joshthecoder | I don't mind not having flash, but apple is such a control freak with the platform |
| 18:42.24 | robbyoconnor | |Rostislav|: The payment cards worked (for the most part) just caused a headache. |
| 18:43.55 | smtms | a thousand headaches |
| 18:44.27 | robbyoconnor | and these may have been the easiest to choose from |
| 18:44.36 | robbyoconnor | (I get it sort of) |
| 18:44.53 | robbyoconnor | they have their hands full |
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| 18:49.10 | smtms | wait, we got a notice some months ago that Google is closing its Citi account |
| 18:49.13 | drt24 | Hmm in the UK pretty much all ATMs are free... |
| 18:49.40 | drt24 | (except for private ATMs in train stations etc.) |
| 18:50.01 | smtms | drt24, no such thing as free ATM when the card issuer decides to charge you |
| 18:50.08 | drt24 | indeed |
| 18:50.37 | drt24 | but I don't think there are many debit card companies in the UK which would charge |
| 18:50.56 | drt24 | they wouldn't get any customers... |
| 18:50.57 | smtms | drt24, I bet they charge for transactions in foreign countries |
| 18:51.09 | drt24 | hmm possibly. |
| 18:51.20 | drt24 | though there are some which don't |
| 18:51.49 | smtms | no way - settling international transactions isn't free |
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| 18:52.26 | drt24 | I think it might work for EU internal ones... (I haven't tested this though) |
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| 20:55.19 | kaitos | would a screenshot of my 'active registrations' from my universitys online banner system be good enough for proof of enrollment? |
| 20:55.28 | thebolt | Evening all |
| 20:55.30 | kaitos | i have the screenshot if it helps |
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| 21:02.20 | smtms | kaitos, follow the recommended practice - send it and see |
| 21:02.41 | kaitos | smtms: thanks :) |
| 21:03.01 | kaitos | finished my finals today so now i'm trying to get all this stuff for the summer in order |
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| 21:15.31 | r0bby|android | kaitos: print out your transcript which you can get. |
| 21:15.44 | r0bby|android | Fax that. |
| 21:15.56 | r0bby|android | It'll be unofficial |
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| 21:43.14 | mkarnicki | carols: still here? |
| 21:43.56 | mkarnicki | carla: will the final document from google containt weekly average hours spent on the project? (for academic purposes) |
| 21:44.03 | mkarnicki | carla: sorry, typo |
| 21:44.18 | mkarnicki | carols: will the final document from google containt weekly average hours spent on the project? (for academic purposes)will the final document from google containt weekly average hours spent on the project? (for academic purposes) |
| 21:44.51 | Kosma | mkarnicki: better get some sleep :) |
| 21:46.17 | mkarnicki | Kosma: yeah.. my runny nose is killing me. but i didn't think I'd perform like a wreck already ;d |
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| 22:13.05 | Neo-- | a quick question - AFAIK my school doesnt issue english letters from collage and I will only have a copy in slovenian language - is it enough if I translati it myself (and maybe link phrases to google translate for verification?) or do I need to have it officially translated by a translator? |
| 22:13.22 | Neo-- | translate* |
| 22:13.57 | tulcod | Neo--: the documents are pretty clear - provide a translation. if it's not good enough, you'll be told... |
| 22:14.14 | r0bby|android | Nobody reads. |
| 22:15.02 | r0bby|android | Neo--: issue a transcript |
| 22:15.14 | r0bby|android | Also accepted (does not need to be official) |
| 22:16.02 | smtms | Neo--, you can translate it yourself |
| 22:16.14 | Neo-- | r0bby|android, I know I have to translate, I just wasn't sure if I am a valid source ;) |
| 22:16.20 | Neo-- | cool, thanks |
| 22:32.33 | RoAkSoAx | hey all quick questions. As F-1 students we have to fill the W8-BEN form correct? |
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