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00:25.09MatthewWilkesmorning all :)
00:25.37rrixafternoon ;)
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00:30.08mkarnickiwhat the.. it's 02:29 AM here ;D
00:30.40rrixhere is highly subjective ;)
00:31.00mkarnickiand actually i'll be going soon, so have a good day Matthew, good afternoon rrix ;)
00:31.12mkarnickirrix: by here, I mean here ;D
00:31.54rrix:)
00:32.30mkarnickiok, c u guys :)
00:32.35mkarnickiwaves, goes afk
00:36.49blast007http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html  ;)
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00:38.20MatthewWilkesmkarnicki: So, morning! :P
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00:39.37mkarnickiMatthewWilkes: Good (UGT) Night! ;D
00:39.48mkarnickiblast007: lovely article :D i like it!
00:39.55blast007hehe
00:40.32mkarnickiok, since its (UGT) late, i'll go have some sleep ;)
00:40.35mkarnicki(UGT) night all
00:40.38mkarnicki:D
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03:07.20mmadiaworking late, carols?
03:12.35carolsalways, mmadia :-)
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03:19.11mmadiapasses a caffeinated beverage
03:21.44robbyoconnorwhoa carols is on from home?!
03:21.53robbyoconnorgoes to make coffee
03:22.08robbyoconnorgots me a date with physics... god I wish these laws never existed
03:22.50ojwbrobbyoconnor: you'd fall down without them
03:22.56ojwbor up
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03:23.04robbyoconnorojwb: I'm cool with that
03:23.11robbyoconnorUP WITH GRAVITY!
03:23.19ojwb*WITHOUT* them
03:23.32robbyoconnorI'm cool without them
03:23.45ojwbwithout them, temperature wouldn't exist
03:26.27robbyoconnorpfft
03:26.33robbyoconnorI'm cool w/ that existing
03:26.51robbyoconnor(I didn't have to deal w/ thermodynamics or heat or fluid mechanics/dynamics)
03:30.52rrixI wouldn't have to deal with it already being almost 100F here ;)
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05:40.10dholbachgood morning
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06:16.32lemmyHi, am I the only one who does not receive any emails on gsoc-student in the past 24h?
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06:18.01kimeltolisten to the silence ;)
06:18.09Dark_Shikaria lovecraftian monster ate the mailing list server
06:18.17Dark_Shikariit's currently feeding off the emails of distressed gsoc students
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06:19.14lemmyWell, I'm waiting for the updated foreign certificate form. The one that is for 2010
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06:22.35MatthewWilkesDark_Shikari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ftld7Ohojg is all I think of whenever someone mentions lovecraft these days :)
06:23.42Dark_ShikariMatthewWilkes: +1
06:24.05ojwblemmy: carols was still waiting for the lawyers a few hours ago
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06:25.24kimeltommmmmmhhhhh lawyers...
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06:44.25lemmyojwb: thanks
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09:03.09splovinghi all. Has the PDF of foreign attestation been updated to 2010?
09:04.20Bat`Oas far as i know, no
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09:08.23jdk2588Hi , I have downloaded the Foreign Certification but I am not able to open it
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09:36.37Peter17jdk2588: can you check the file size?
09:36.58Peter17if it is the same file as the one I've downloaded, then, it's a 0-byte file
09:37.15jdk2588Peter17: its 12.9 KB
09:37.25Peter17ah
09:37.32Peter17so, I don't know...
09:37.55jdk2588it doesn't open in neither my browser nor in document viewer
09:38.10Peter17but let's just wait for the official attestation to be updated
09:38.43jdk2588hmm
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09:51.02jbartosikGood mornin' (ugt) everybody
09:52.14ChainsawHello jbartosik.
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10:05.16eboHello...  With all this talk about high volume email trafic  I'm beginning to think that I have not signed up to all the lists that I am required to do.
10:05.44ebowhen is the emails from google comming out to send transcripts, etc.?
10:06.06jbartosikErr
10:06.31jbartosiklike "New Student Info: Tax Forms, Proof of Enrollment, and Welcome Packages" thread?
10:06.57jbartosikgroup is google-summer-of-code-students-list
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10:07.20jbartosikand sometimes there are loads of messages ( >100/day)
10:07.29jbartosikbut genereally it's rather silent
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10:09.01ebojbartosik: I've never seen that thread...  so I think that would be correct.
10:09.38jbartosikhmm
10:09.50jbartosikcheck if you are member
10:10.10jbartosikof the group
10:10.16jbartosikgo to groups.google.com
10:10.23jbartosiklogin
10:10.34jbartosikand all you groups will be listed there
10:10.39ojwb... with address you used to apply with
10:10.51jbartosik++
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10:20.43ebougggg... I think I see the problem.  I do not have a google account set up for my sourceforge email address (which is what I used for GSoC contact), and all that mail is forwarded to my primary account.
10:22.33viviaebo: you can login to your google account and add your SF email address as a secondary address
10:22.47viviathen setup a filter in gmail to forward gsoc mail to your SF
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10:36.43ebois this link the one I should sign up for?  http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss
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10:37.13ojwbebo: you need to be added/invited
10:39.20eboojwb: is that the correct group I should be signing up for.  I just did a search for the  google-summer-of-code-students-list and this is what showed up.
10:39.37ojwbthat's the one, but you can't just hoin
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10:39.47ojwbcarols (or someone) needs to invite or add you
10:40.00eboI'm a accepted student with the plan9 group.
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10:40.13ojwbyes, but you still need to be invited or added
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10:41.17ebook... how about this.  Can I change all my GSoC email addresses to my school account instead and get this fixed?
10:41.20jbartosikebo: if you are then login with your google account
10:42.01eboI now have 3 different google accounts that have different email addresses attached to them.  This has been a constant problem over the years.
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10:42.35qrngGreetings, mesdames et monsieurs.
10:42.38jbartosikebo: that's against TOS AFAIR ;)
10:42.59jbartosikwell sign up with the accoun you used to register with GSoC
10:43.04jbartosikgo to google groups
10:43.10jbartosikGoogle  Summer of Code Discuss
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10:43.45jbartosikedit my membershi[
10:44.02jbartosikand choose email you want to use
10:44.37jbartosiksorry wrong group it's             Google  Summer of Code Students List
10:44.49jbartosikTOS-> Terms of Service
10:44.58jbartosikAFAIR -> as far as I remember
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10:46.40qrngOtherwise, you can associate your GSoC e-mail with your google account, marking it as your secondary email address.
10:47.02qrngWhich is probably more convenient.
10:48.12qrngI had the question about Foreign Certificate form? It is my understanding that Carols has promised to publish it on Monday, no?
10:48.50jbartosikit was published
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10:49.00jbartosikbut there is some problem with it
10:49.07jbartosikwrong date or something
10:49.17jbartosikand now lawyers are processing a new one
10:49.32jbartosikI think..
10:49.38qrngYes, it was for the GSoC 2009 program. Different year was the problem.
10:50.39qrngAnyhow, whatever those lawyers are processing, I suspect that the result will be much more substantial body of administrivia.
10:51.07svakshaqrng: iirc, last date for submissions is 17may <==monday
10:51.08qrng'Tis almost a law unto itself.
10:51.27qrngI know.
10:56.35svakshaqrng: ok, /me thought you mentioned something about carol publishing it on monday , so.........
10:56.36eboI guess I need someone to invite me to join the group then.  Not sure how I missed it.
10:56.45svakshaebo: write to carol
10:58.36ebosvaksha: thanks.  is her email carol at google?
10:58.57svakshaebo: add an s
10:59.02igorlukanincarols
10:59.04svaksha"s" to her name
10:59.06ebothanks.
11:00.28qrngsvaksha: The 10th of April is Monday, too.
11:00.47qrngCarols is a she?
11:01.09svakshaebo: also check for your group settings. I had some groups adding me to the list so i had blocked it. In such cases she cant add you automatically
11:01.31svakshaqrng: it is may:)
11:01.41qrngYes, yes.
11:01.54qrngis very absent minded.
11:02.34qrngAnd, besides, this is probably the subconscious at work -- the final exams are coming soon.
11:02.50qrngThe crack of doom is coming soon. :-S
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11:20.13ebosvaksha: thanks.  I just found out that my settings were such that noone could invite me and noone could add me...  Uggg...
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11:43.06memoweHi GSoCers! :)
11:43.27qrngGreetings, collegue.
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13:06.01svakshaebo: yw :)
13:07.04GGhi
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13:20.12ebosvaksha: what does yw mean?
13:20.54ojwb"You're Welcome"
13:21.28eboahhh... some of the acronyms I can guess at, but others...
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13:25.42ojwbhttp://www.google.com/search?q=define:+yw
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13:26.53aghislahttp://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/
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13:27.28ojwbbets "define:" knows more, and not just acronyms
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13:34.10eboojwb: thanks that's useful to know ;-)
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13:34.51eboaghisla: the acronym dictionary is likewise useful
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13:41.25aghislaYW :D
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13:56.45eboaghisla: ;-)
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15:29.30dm9Hi everybody!
15:29.47dm9Is there any students from Russia?
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15:32.52dm9I have a question regarded the tax forms
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15:35.08svakshadm9: just ask, dont ask to ask :) Also if its specific to your country you may want to try the russian gsoc channel
15:35.43dm9svaksha: does this channel exist?
15:35.48dm9I dont know :(
15:35.57igridchyngsoc-ru
15:36.03svakshadm9: i dont know too, sorry
15:36.14dm9igridchyn: okay thanks!
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15:37.08carolsserves some tea and coffee
15:37.18kblinhi carols
15:37.26carolshey kblin, how's life?
15:37.47kblingood, got my demo for tomorrow's talk going
15:37.59carolscool! you're at samba xp, yeah?
15:38.09carolsor are you?
15:38.23kblinyeah, jra is sitting 7 chairs to my right
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15:38.45carolsawesome
15:38.49carolswe miss him in the office :-)
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15:49.03ihalipcarols: ping
15:49.12carolsihalip: pong
15:49.18ihaliphey :)
15:49.34ihalipi sent you a mail earlier today, about some proof of enrolment trouble
15:49.36carolshi there :-)
15:49.54carolsok, im still going through email, i did only get into the office about 20 minutes ago
15:50.01carolshave some cookies while you wait
15:50.04carolsserves cookies
15:50.10ihalipsits down
15:50.20scorche|shenjoy the free couch!
15:50.24scorche|shpats said couch
15:50.25carols!couch
15:50.26socinfo"couch" is open source couch on which to chill
15:50.50scorche|shcarols: good morning  =)
15:51.04carolsgood morning scorche|sh how are you on this lovely May day?
15:51.24scorche|shwould rather be sleeping, but otherwise, decent
15:51.49smtmswhat's the difference between free couch and open source coush?
15:52.13scorche|shfree in this context = as in speech
15:52.35scorche|shso, not much
15:53.16carolshmmm...
15:53.19carols*ponders*
15:53.58gevaertsspots tea and cookies!
15:54.03carolsi think this might be a conversation best left to another day when i can contemplate the free vs. open source debate. however, suffice to say that its a GSoC couch and GSoC is an open source program :-)
15:54.07carolsenjoy gevaerts
15:54.10scorche|sh!cheese
15:54.10socinfo"cheese" is (#1) don't forget to serve cheese at the mentor summit, or (#2) really really nice cheese. lots of different kinds. with apples, fuji, also granny smith. more fuji. cranberries, dried. walnuts - roasted. crackers also. perhaps some baguette slices
15:54.13gevaertsThanks!
15:54.22carolsmmm
15:54.27carolsmunches some cheese
15:54.58carolswill not forget to serve cheese and chocolate at the mentor summit
15:55.03carolslest we have a riot
15:55.23shm;x
15:56.22scorche|shlast mentor summit we had some delicious cheese with green marbling stuff throughout...i wish i could remember which type it was
15:56.27adifiremouth watering...
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15:59.26carolsihalip: PM?
15:59.26scorche|shwonders if it was this "sage-derby"
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19:07.37robbyoconnorcarols: when you get a chance -- add the nyc meet up to the calendar :)
19:07.41robbyoconnoreager
19:08.00carolsrobbyoconnor: its on the list of 35 things i need to do today
19:08.02carols:-)
19:08.10carolsill get to it
19:08.12robbyoconnorpssh
19:08.32robbyoconnordoesn't the world revolve around me?
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19:09.00carolsrobbyoconnor: do you want me to answer that?
19:09.10thebolthi carols
19:09.12theboltplease do :P
19:09.13robbyoconnorrhetorical :)
19:09.15carolshi thebolt
19:09.27carolswhistles and looks around
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19:21.09viviarobbyoconnor: the world revolves around google's lawyers atm i think
19:21.39carolsvivia: much to my chagrin
19:21.46robbyoconnorvivia: which doesn't affect me :)
19:21.53robbyoconnoras I'm a US citizen :)
19:21.58viviarobbyoconnor: but it affects the rest of the world :)
19:22.16robbyoconnorsee, this is where the ego-centric concept comes in :)
19:22.16carolsand affects what things i get done in a day :-)
19:22.19robbyoconnor:D
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19:22.53baerwell i think you should subscribe the lawyers to the students list. maybe a bunch of mails every day will speed them up ;)
19:25.01carolsbaer: they're working hard at keeping us all out of jail. im not going to force them to go faster and possibly miss something that will put me in handcuffs :-)
19:25.37robbyoconnorcarols: we need you!
19:26.02carolsrobbyoconnor: i would like very much to stay out of jail too :-)
19:26.05carolsthat would be totally awesome
19:26.12robbyoconnoryeh
19:26.15robbyoconnorjail = not cool
19:26.23robbyoconnoryou can't go out and have a social life in jail
19:26.35carolsnope! can't really do much of anything actually
19:26.40theboltsleep
19:26.45theboltyou can do that quite a lot i think
19:26.51Kosmaand you probably can't code, too
19:26.52theboltand right now that would mean loads to me .P
19:27.53carolsyeah, let's give the lawyers their time to keep us all out of jail, i say :-)
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20:22.31MostAwesomeDudeContract and employment law, right? Stuff's tricky.
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20:24.29_silentAssassinwhen can we see geographical information about GSoC students for this year, because AFAIK it was going to be released on Monday
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20:34.21mkarnicki_silentAssassin: it was, but it'll be published later. carols taking care of other things right now
20:34.46carols_silentAssassin: ive got the data, ill post it soon. :-)
20:34.50_silentAssassinmkarnicki: ok
20:34.58_silentAssassincarols: thanks
20:35.15carols_silentAssassin: im working on getting lawyers to approve tax forms right now
20:35.21carolsand about 33 other things as well :-)
20:35.27carolsof which one is statistics
20:35.32carolstrundles back off to email
20:36.21_silentAssassincarols: whoaa, sorry to kill your some time then
20:36.46carols_silentAssassin: it's fine. :-) all in the job description :-)
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20:42.23robbyoconnorcarols job description probably has a clause to deal w/ me :)
20:42.29robbyoconnorgiggles
20:42.41carolsrobbyoconnor: lh did a good job telling me about important people in the community
20:42.47carolsand that's all i'll say on the subject
20:43.26robbyoconnorthe conversation went something like this: now r0bby, he's a handful...
20:43.29nicksamcan I specify following: shipping adress in my student profile is the adress wellcome package and following correspondences will be sent to, isn't it?
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20:44.23scorche|shcarols: you should have seen robbyoconnor when he first came in here...  ;(
20:44.29scorche|sherrr....  ;)
20:44.53carolsnicksam: yes
20:45.07carolsscorche|sh: maybe im glad i didnt :-)
20:45.20Nightrosei need start and end of coding for gsoc 2005 and 2006 for a paper i'm writing but can't find it :( - someone here happens to know where i could look or who would know?
20:45.33nicksamcarols: OK, thanks!
20:45.35rohitrthinks that robbyoconnor loves it when people talk about him.
20:45.36scorche|shcarols: i consider myself grateful for not being on the student mailing list  ;)
20:45.44rohitralso thinks we shouldnt give him that pleasure
20:45.58rohitr;-)
20:46.05robbyoconnorrohitr: I'm an attention erm...
20:46.05carolsnicksam: yw. welcome to GSoC :-)
20:46.24robbyoconnorscorche|sh: i've calmed down :)
20:46.42rohitrrobbyoconnor:age?
20:47.02robbyoconnor27 going on 5
20:47.20robbyoconnorI'll be 28 next friday
20:47.40rohitrlol I meant is it because of you getting old, you calming down that is. :)
20:47.42rohitraha
20:47.44thiago_homecongrats in advance
20:47.54scorche|shNightrose: are you looking for dates?
20:48.07Nightrosescorche|sh: yes that'd be extremely helpful
20:48.45Nightrosei have it all for the following years but can't find a timeline or anything for 2005 and 2006
20:49.56gangilNightrose: you writing a paper on one of your GSOC projects ?
20:49.57scorche|shNightrose: this should help: http://web.archive.org/web/20050610233251/http://code.google.com/summfaq.html#what_are_the_deadlines_fo
20:50.36Nightrosegangil: no - writing a paper for Akademy on mentoring in open source specifically a review of gsoc in kde and season of kde
20:50.40Nightrosescorche|sh: rocking thanks
20:50.58scorche|shsounds like a worthy cause!
20:51.04Nightrose:)
20:51.15Nightrosedoing some number crunching right now
20:51.21Nightrosehope i'll get something useful out of it
20:51.31gevaertsprefers cookie crunching
20:51.36Nightroselol
20:51.40scorche|shlet us know when you finish  =)
20:51.45Nightrosescorche|sh: will do
20:51.55Nightrosepaper is due end of june
20:52.59Nightrosethe other problem: for anything before 2008 i only have data for passed projects
20:53.08Nightrosebut i guess i'll have to life with that
20:54.00scorche|shyou might have to, though i wonder if carols might be able to dig anything up...
20:54.12carolsscorche|sh: what am i digging up?
20:54.16carolsreads scrollback
20:54.26Nightrosenames for failed kde students for 2006 2006 and 2007 :)
20:54.37scorche|shNightrose: also, here is 2006: http://web.archive.org/web/20060810082358/http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#timeline
20:54.42Nightrose\o/
20:54.55carolsNightrose: send me an email and ill look into it. no promises but ill see what i can dig up
20:55.05Nightrosecarols: awesome - will do
20:55.29scorche|shNightrose: let me know if there is anything else i could help with  =)
20:55.38Nightrose:D will do
20:55.39Nightrosethx
20:55.48Nightroseyou already helped me a lot with that
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22:10.46tulcodso i got an email from ACM. will i get another one about my membership or should i manually create a web account or what?
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22:16.11carolstulcod: i believe the email should say something like, "As your first step, we strongly encourage you to create your free ACM Web Account
22:16.12carols(if you haven't already.)"?
22:16.50tulcodcarols: it's only about the spam filter
22:17.12tulcod"In partnership with Google Postini services, ACM offers you the latest tools to prevent dangerous viruses, and unwanted junk email, from reaching your computer. This service requires no additional software, and is included, at no charge, with your ACM Membership."
22:17.25carolstulcod: ah, then you'll get another
22:17.30tulcodoh, ok :0
22:17.31tulcod*:)
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22:19.50tulcodcarols: are the stats done yet? ;)\
22:20.03carolstulcod: really?
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22:20.12r0bby|androidPester her and she has no time to do them bc she's dealing with you
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22:20.42r0bby|androidneeds to call the acm
22:21.17tulcodhm, time to get some sleep, i guess...
22:21.45r0bby|androidcarols: for every time somebody asks for stats, delay their release by one hr
22:22.09r0bby|androidYou'll eventually not need to release them until the end :)
22:26.11carolsr0bby|android: good idea :-)
22:26.15carolsi think i may do that
22:27.03r0bby|androidThese students need to learn from my mistakes and stfu on the mailing list. Nobody reads anything
22:27.26carolsr0bby|android: it'll quiet down eventually. they're just excited right now
22:27.32r0bby|androidInstead of emailing problems privately they spam the list
22:27.39r0bby|androidIt won't quiet down
22:27.42r0bby|androidNever does
22:27.59r0bby|androidEvery mail you send has a thread that lasts 2 weeks
22:28.06r0bby|androidOr more.
22:28.10carolsr0bby|android: pessimist :-)
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22:28.41r0bby|androidNo, I been around for awhile
22:28.58r0bby|androidSociologically it's interesting
22:29.37r0bby|androidThe meetups list does cut down on noise...as I intended it to
22:29.59r0bby|android</rant>
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22:30.14tobiwcarols: do you have a gpg key? i might as well use it
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22:30.34carldanihi
22:31.43carolstobiw: not atm, but i can get one
22:32.41carldanistrange. I got a mail about an email address @acm.org which I don't own.
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22:34.40carldaniI suspect something with the ACM membership for GSoC students went wrong.
22:35.01carldaniShould I bug the ACM or is this something under Google's control?
22:35.48schlangencarldani: I think we all got this mail
22:36.10r0bby|androidcarldani: this was sent to the student list
22:36.14r0bby|androidGo read it.
22:36.16carldanischlangen: large-scale identity confusion?
22:39.04r0bby|androidcarldani: go to google groups and read the thread about tax forms, payments, etc.
22:39.34carldanir0bby|android: I read carols mail about the ACM membership, and it contradicts the current mail I got about some ACM mail address.
22:40.00r0bby|androidThat's part of your membership.
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22:42.12carldanir0bby|android: OK, let me rephrase. The only thing (except carols' announcement) I've seen so far about the ACM membership was a "please help fight spam" email for a mail account I don't know and where I don't have a password.
22:42.30carldaniThat is slightly suboptimal.
22:42.52r0bby|androidF'en relax
22:43.02r0bby|androidLol
22:43.20r0bby|androidEverybody needs to relax
22:43.53r0bby|androidFocus on their projects and not the acm membership...their are 1025 of us
22:44.41vivia1025?????
22:44.47ojwb1024 once robby finally explodes
22:44.57viviathen again, 1025 is a palindrome
22:45.08carldanir0bby|android: Hinting at the F-word is a supreme way to encourage relaxation. I bow down to your supreme usage of the English language, especially considering that the F-word indeed describes a recreational activity.
22:45.41carolseveryone playing nicely in here?
22:45.45carolsi hope so
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22:45.59r0bby|androidojwb: I won't explode :)
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22:47.15carldaniJust to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else: Nobody got any mail from the ACM with account info, and everybody just got the "please help fight spam" email from the ACM?
22:47.31copproyeah
22:47.32carolscarldani: i've emailed the acm ill let you know when i hear back
22:47.38carolsr0bby|android: keep the language down, yeah?
22:47.40copproyou can sign up for an online account on their website
22:48.05carldanicarols: Thanks for the info.
22:48.15carolsyw
22:48.48minix3|straydawglo
22:48.56carolshey minix3|straydawg
22:48.59r0bby|androidOk
22:49.00carolsserves some tea
22:49.13r0bby|androidis gonna be 28 going on 12 lol
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22:49.21r0bby|android....sad
22:50.15viviacarols: thanks c(_)
22:50.24carolsvivia: you're quite welcome
22:54.37r0bby|androidsnatches cookies
22:56.17viviar0bby|android: have some chocolate [###]
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23:06.05carldanicoppro: Signing up for the ACM online account did work. Thanks for the hint!
23:07.19carldaniApparently we get two email addresses from the ACM for free. One is the one you want and the other one is the address you were signed up with.
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23:21.07MostAwesomeDudeHow annoying. People are talking about SC2 on the list.
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23:26.15Dark_Shikarilol!
23:26.29Dark_Shikarimaybe I _should_ sign up for the list after all
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23:28.41rohitrDark_Shikari: "I have to say...Blizzard's announcement to set the release date for StarCraft 2 (July 27) is going to make the last few weeks of GSoC pretty interesting. I hope everyone can hold off temptation until the program concludes! Perhaps we should set up informal SC2 Support Groups to make sure we all stay on task? :P"
23:29.46Jeff_Slol
23:30.12ojwbGSoSC2
23:30.28rohitrhaha
23:31.03rohitrI wonder what would have been going in his/her mind?
23:31.06Dark_ShikariJuly 27th?  wow, that's pretty soon
23:31.17Dark_Shikarishouldn't the support groups already be out?
23:31.21Dark_Shikarithe beta has been going on for ages
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23:45.57carldaniI should really post "Hey, there's a new $WEBCOMIC episode out. Anyone interested in starting a support group?"
23:46.12carldaniOTOH, we already have enough spam, even with multi-megabyte attachments.
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23:53.15Landonis getting hooked on gvim
23:53.20Landonwonder if there's a gmutt....
23:53.21Landon:p

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