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05:18.19 | qrng | Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames. |
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10:56.24 | benny`work | hi! i heard my mentor needs to certify that we are in contact during the bonding phase...but i don't remember where I found that and what are the steps he needs to take |
10:57.44 | ojwb | if you are in contact, then that's his problem not yours... |
10:58.50 | schumaml | from the timeline: "May 24: Google begins issuing initial student payments provided tax forms are on file and students are in good standing with their communities." |
10:59.22 | schumaml | that's one place where you may have found it |
11:00.33 | dennda | !timeline |
11:00.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
11:01.04 | dennda | tax forms deadline are due on...? |
11:01.12 | dennda | s/deadline// |
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11:02.00 | schumaml | before that date? |
11:02.15 | schumaml | and given that this isn |
11:02.25 | schumaml | 't too far away, maybe asap? |
11:02.46 | benny`work | ojwb, he can't find it either, that's why i'm asking here |
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11:25.49 | ojwb | benny`work: i think last year the org admin had to actively tell google if any students weren't in good standing, but I may be misremembering and it may have changed this year |
11:26.04 | ojwb | the midterm and final are a checkbox in the survey the mentor fills out |
11:26.15 | ojwb | or drop down |
11:26.19 | ojwb | a boolean choice anyway |
11:26.47 | benny`work | ojwb, alright, maybe i remember this too from last year |
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11:38.19 | Waren | yo |
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11:43.26 | memowe | now to something completely different: my first steps on the xaphoon. Any open source musicians here? :) http://vimeo.com/11708992 |
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11:48.09 | h4xordood | hi! :) |
11:48.10 | dennda | description fits |
11:48.15 | dennda | (sorry) |
11:48.16 | memowe | :) |
11:49.28 | h4xordood | how can i know if my documents like proof are accepted by google ? |
11:51.11 | h4xordood | can anyone help me with my question? |
11:51.18 | h4xordood | carol: Ping :) |
11:51.51 | memowe | h4xordood: if not, they'll contact you. |
11:52.38 | h4xordood | ah :) actually i sent him my proof docs and carol replied that he has received! |
11:52.59 | h4xordood | but i dont know they are approved or not :) so asked |
11:53.39 | h4xordood | well memowe: thanks |
11:53.44 | h4xordood | :) |
11:54.15 | memowe | h4xordood: I thing, _she_ accepted your documents :) |
11:55.11 | h4xordood | ah okay :)) |
11:55.21 | h4xordood | i missed something |
11:55.48 | memowe | http://www.google.com/profiles/CarolSmith2 |
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11:56.15 | h4xordood | sorry confusion with name :)) Appologies |
11:56.40 | memowe | don't know if she's the one :) |
11:57.26 | memowe | that was the first google profile on the google results page. :/ |
11:57.36 | h4xordood | Smith and Carol no one can guess! :) |
11:57.42 | h4xordood | :/ |
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13:44.50 | h4xordood_ | ayeh :) |
13:46.43 | h4xordood_ | admins: when will i get my google Tshirt ? |
13:46.47 | h4xordood_ | :P |
13:47.05 | Ivanovic | several answers possible |
13:47.15 | Ivanovic | 1) never (if you have never participated) |
13:47.41 | Ivanovic | 2) end of this year (if you participate as student and are successful or are a mentor/org admin) |
13:47.49 | h4xordood_ | i am selected gsoc student for current year :) |
13:48.01 | Ivanovic | 3) hopefully soon (if you participated in the previous years and have not gotten the shirt yet) |
13:48.08 | Ivanovic | okay, then 2 does apply |
13:48.19 | Ivanovic | you have to successfully complete SoC to get a shirt! |
13:48.31 | h4xordood_ | Ivanovic: thanks! :) |
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16:29.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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17:00.58 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
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17:01.09 | carols | plops down on the open source couch |
17:01.26 | Catfish_Man | g'morning carols |
17:01.34 | carols | g'morning Catfish_Man :-) |
17:02.10 | ArthurLiu | day off in most of Europe, yay |
17:03.32 | bobbens | day off? that's crazy talk |
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17:05.45 | Kosma | most of Europe? |
17:06.29 | alexandru | speaking of, the first day of coding for GSoC is a stat holiday where I am :) |
17:07.23 | Kosma | btw, why day off? wikipedia doesn't give any hints |
17:10.13 | dhaun | Kosma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_day#Feast |
17:11.05 | bobbens | we don't have that in spain |
17:11.10 | Kosma | aah, WniebowstÄ
pienie PaÅskie ;) |
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17:27.33 | carols | munches stroopwafels |
17:27.52 | mlankhorst | hehehe |
17:28.01 | mlankhorst | hemelvaartsdaag |
17:28.39 | scorche|sh | <3 stroopwafels |
17:29.09 | skbohra | carols: hi |
17:29.12 | scorche|sh | usually brings a few packs back with him when he returns from europe |
17:29.22 | skbohra | carols: need you to add me to mentors list |
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17:32.56 | carols | skbohra: sure, send me an email request |
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17:33.54 | skbohra | carols: thanks, sending right away |
17:34.03 | carols | skbohra: cool :-) |
17:34.53 | mkarnicki | Kosma: heheh |
17:35.55 | mlankhorst | hehehe |
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17:47.07 | mlankhorst | if you want to have some fun with wikipedia, try the quantum physics article in 'simple english' :P |
17:48.27 | Kosma | hahaha |
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17:50.29 | Kosma | "Quantum entanglement is the name given to the things that a pair of particles do." |
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17:51.11 | mlankhorst | :D |
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17:52.20 | Kosma | Einstein was right |
17:52.28 | Kosma | it indeed *is* a 'spooky action at a distance' |
17:52.56 | mlankhorst | or is it |
17:53.24 | YuviPanda | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google |
17:53.34 | YuviPanda | "famous website for finding things" |
17:54.21 | YuviPanda | and is rather small |
17:54.38 | YuviPanda | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft |
17:54.53 | mlankhorst | evil corporation? :> |
17:54.56 | YuviPanda | "Very big company which makes computer software and videogames all over the world" |
17:55.01 | YuviPanda | videogames? :| |
17:55.09 | YuviPanda | Didn't know MS games was that big |
17:55.12 | mlankhorst | HALO, well, they bought it :p |
17:55.15 | YuviPanda | or maybe they were referring to Minesweeper |
17:55.41 | Catfish_Man | YuviPanda: Microsoft has a pretty large list of popular games |
17:55.46 | Kosma | how about Age of Empires? |
17:55.56 | YuviPanda | Age* |
17:55.58 | YuviPanda | Halo* |
17:56.03 | YuviPanda | and? |
17:56.12 | YuviPanda | FlightSim*, but is it really that popular? |
17:56.17 | Kosma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Game_Studios |
17:56.34 | scorche|sh | simple wikipedia is etirely amusing =) |
17:56.56 | mlankhorst | 1 googol is 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 |
17:57.00 | mlankhorst | :> |
17:57.26 | gevaerts | It should be simple.en.wikipedia.org! |
17:57.31 | Kosma | btw, it's way to cheesy |
17:58.12 | Kosma | it's about simple English, not about dumb explanations |
17:58.26 | mlankhorst | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract the picture :> |
17:58.40 | YuviPanda | "Functional programming looks at programming to be similar to a function in mathematics. Given an input, it will calculate an output. It will not have a state in between, and it will also not change things that are not related to the computation." |
17:59.03 | YuviPanda | Kosma: i've a feeling that picture's from india |
17:59.10 | Chainsaw | scorche|sh: *G* http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/simple.png |
17:59.15 | YuviPanda | nope |
17:59.17 | YuviPanda | wrong |
18:00.00 | Kosma | xkcd is always right :) |
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19:12.21 | Masca | carols: Where can I find the source data for the graph in your post? |
19:12.59 | carols | Masca: i had the melange guys run a script for me |
19:13.27 | Masca | =( do you know how many were from México? |
19:13.47 | carols | Masca: 7 |
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19:14.00 | gevaerts | How many from Liechtenstein? |
19:14.02 | gevaerts | runs |
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19:14.13 | Masca | you have the cities where they are from? |
19:14.13 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-P |
19:14.26 | carols | Masca: yes, but we dont release that data |
19:14.35 | Masca | I kinda want to contact them (not spamming the ml) maybe I know them. =P |
19:14.47 | Masca | ohh =( |
19:15.08 | carols | Masca: privacy concerns, im sure you understand |
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19:16.44 | Masca | carols: sure, it makes a lot of sense. |
19:16.51 | carols | :-) |
19:17.18 | Masca | Will try with my blog ot see if some of the followers applied. |
19:17.26 | carols | cool :-) |
19:17.59 | LunohoD | where is that post? |
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19:19.09 | carols | LunohoD: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/05/google-summer-of-code-2010-meet.html |
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19:21.12 | LunohoD | carols: thanks |
19:21.17 | carols | LunohoD: yw |
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19:56.15 | thebolt | Evening people |
19:59.03 | alexandru | thebolt: that's relative |
20:01.08 | thebolt | good <whatever-time-it-is-at-your-place> ;) |
20:02.15 | alexandru | hello to you too |
20:03.29 | carols | evening thebolt |
20:03.35 | carols | serves some tea |
20:04.38 | thebolt | hm, i need some dinner first.. been working 8 am to 9 pm (its 10pm here now, just got home) with just a short lunchbreak |
20:04.44 | thebolt | and today is public holiday :P |
20:06.24 | smtms | thebolt, do you work 24 hours a day when it isn't public holiday? |
20:06.50 | thebolt | smtms: no, fortunately not.. but usually around 11 to 12 hours |
20:06.52 | thebolt | (lately) |
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20:08.25 | smtms | I hope it's worth it |
20:10.32 | thebolt | so do i:) |
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20:25.35 | cantoma | hey .. can someone explain in a few sentences what is google summer code? |
20:26.00 | Catfish_Man | cantoma: google funding open source projects to mentor students |
20:27.54 | carols | cantoma: you might be interested in this too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
20:29.18 | Kosma | people... what we really do need is a Simple English version of that! |
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20:30.13 | cantoma | what is the scope of most projects ?? |
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20:30.24 | cantoma | are there research projects or just simple applications |
20:30.38 | Catfish_Man | cantoma: the gsoc website has a list of organizations participating |
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20:31.41 | Catfish_Man | cantoma: see http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
20:32.07 | Catfish_Man | I would say most of them fall in neither of your categories |
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20:33.20 | cantoma | Catfish_Man, i see they are mainly linux open source organizations |
20:33.43 | gevaerts | cantoma: not only linux things :) |
20:34.26 | Catfish_Man | cantoma: I see primarily cross platform ones glancing over it |
20:34.27 | cantoma | gevaerts, i didn't say all |
20:34.43 | Catfish_Man | abiword, boost, wesnoth, apache, blender, chrome, etc... |
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20:38.36 | schumaml | what is a "linux open source organization" anyway? :) |
20:38.54 | Catfish_Man | schumaml: I imagine the linux kernel would qualify ;) |
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20:39.14 | Kosma | linux kernel? o_O |
20:39.26 | Catfish_Man | Kosma: it is a gsoc mentoring organization... |
20:40.05 | Kosma | yep, I just looked at the org list |
20:40.15 | Kosma | but I wasn't previously aware they are taking part in gsoc too |
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20:49.56 | td123 | hello |
20:50.07 | td123 | do you know where I can get the form to fill out the tax information? |
20:50.19 | td123 | I heard people say melange, but I can not figure out where it is |
20:50.55 | td123 | I only found the foreign student form |
20:50.55 | carols | td123: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/studentinfo |
20:51.34 | td123 | ty |
20:51.41 | carols | yw |
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20:59.46 | gevaerts | Unless I miscounted, there are eleven accepted organisations that have their own kernel |
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21:00.11 | Kosma | pretty nice |
21:00.22 | Kosma | I've started doing some kernel development recently and I like it quite a bit |
21:00.43 | Kosma | although the amount of error checking can drive a sane person mad |
21:01.12 | Kosma | "unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address ..." |
21:01.19 | Kosma | kthx, reboot! |
21:01.27 | gevaerts | coreboot, dragonfly bsd, freebsd, haiku, linux, minix, netbsd, plan9, rockbox, rtems, xen |
21:01.49 | gevaerts | It can be debated whether some of those really count as kernels of course |
21:02.47 | Kosma | basically, not kernel matters, but low-level |
21:03.17 | Kosma | coreboot is particularly of interest because it tends to brick stuff |
21:03.39 | gevaerts | We've bricked stuff in rockbox too :) |
21:03.51 | gevaerts | Maybe not as much though. Hard to say |
21:08.28 | gevaerts | In those eleven there seem to be seven different kernels with no common ancestry that are meant to be the "end-user visible" kernel. Not bad... Who said there's no variation? |
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21:25.08 | hiddenpearls | may i know, how many students from Pakistan are accepted ? |
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21:30.09 | carols | hiddenpearls: 5 |
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21:42.37 | hiddenpearls | May I get the names of Students from Pakistan ? |
21:43.14 | carols | hiddenpearls: no |
21:45.57 | r0bby|android | You can email the meet ups list and organize a meet up. |
21:46.53 | r0bby|android | Creating that list was my finest gsoc contribution |
21:47.37 | summatusmentis | s/finest/only/ >_> |
21:47.43 | summatusmentis | I kid, I kid |
21:47.45 | summatusmentis | <3 r0bby|android |
21:48.54 | scorche|sh | r0bby|android: finer than the work you did for the orgs? ;) |
21:49.24 | r0bby|android | Should say ONE of them |
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21:52.43 | hiddenpearls | ok, thanks, I will use that list and organize the meetup. |
21:56.32 | td123 | when I fill out the w9 form, what do I put for the business name and the box under it? |
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21:57.32 | carols | td123: you're not a business, you're an individual. you can leave that blank |
21:58.55 | td123 | so I should check individual? |
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21:59.21 | carols | td123: yes |
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22:01.45 | td123 | and I should mark exempt payee? |
22:02.35 | td123 | since I remember google isn't going to automatically remove the taxes |
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22:04.42 | carols | td123: that depends on your particular tax situation, which i can't comment on |
22:07.49 | td123 | well, isn't that what it means? when google doesn't withhold the taxes? or am I misunderstanding this? |
22:08.42 | carols | td123: google does not withhold any taxes, that's correct |
22:08.54 | summatusmentis | but that's not the meaning of "exempt" on the tax form, iirc |
22:09.29 | td123 | oh, so I'm misunderstanding this.. |
22:10.55 | summatusmentis | I'm fairly certain the company decides if an employee is exempt or not |
22:11.05 | summatusmentis | and given that you're ont an employee... |
22:11.21 | summatusmentis | (bear in mind, I'm not a tax person, I'm just pulling from memory in past years) |
22:11.59 | td123 | ok, I got my answer on one of the threads, Thanks all! :) |
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22:27.05 | td123 | last question, do we just need to submit the first page of the w9 form? |
22:27.44 | td123 | since the rest of the pages don't need to be written on |
22:27.51 | dho_plan9 | carols: If we have participated in a previous year, are we thus necessarily already signed up as a supplier? |
22:28.06 | carols | dho_plan9: you can assume so if your org got paid :-) |
22:28.12 | dho_plan9 | Ok, thanks :) |
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22:28.17 | carols | yw |
22:28.33 | carols | dho_plan9: btw, if you're honestly not sure, i can check for you if you send me an email |
22:28.45 | dho_plan9 | -> pm |
22:28.50 | carols | sure |
22:29.47 | td123 | nvm, found my answer |
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23:10.31 | carldani | Wow. Chris DiBona is really fair. |
23:13.45 | carldani | Same standards for everyone, and bans for all survey posters. :-) |
23:21.58 | ArthurLiu | Chris has a personal grudge against surveys |
23:22.18 | ArthurLiu | they tormented him when he was little, don't hold it against him :) |
23:23.47 | gevaerts | proposes that surveys could be allowed if the survey-poster first fully documents an important bit of software that now lacks decent documentation |
23:24.07 | carldani | Oh, I'm really happy that he stops this survey crap. That's why I wrote "fair". |
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23:25.33 | carldani | gevaerts: Nice idea. At coreboot/flashrom, we tell people to send patches or documentation before they get write access to anything (e.g. the wiki). |
23:29.42 | gevaerts | carldani: you have the advantage of not having actual users though :) |
23:30.05 | gevaerts | Well, you might have had some, but they all bricked their PC |
23:30.36 | rrix | ouch |
23:30.47 | carldani | gevaerts: :-P |
23:31.35 | gevaerts | defines a "user" as someone who isn't a developer |
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23:32.21 | carldani | Dear everyone, please join my survey about how obnoxious you find surveys among open source developers. I promise I'll ignore all other surveys in that field, and I only need the easiest way to get course credits anyway, so you'll never see the results. |
23:32.39 | carldani | Please join me at http://totally.invalid/survey |
23:32.53 | rrix | kicks carldani |
23:32.55 | rrix | hard :) |
23:33.00 | carldani | ouch! |
23:33.12 | gevaerts | participates in carldani's survey |
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23:34.11 | carldani | gevaerts: If you can reach that host, your name server violates http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606 |
23:34.13 | gevaerts | also wishes that binutils had a documentation policy for new code |
23:34.29 | gevaerts | carldani: I use /etc/hosts for that :) |
23:35.24 | carldani | gevaerts: No, binutils needs to stay a heap of frequently breaking magic with version-specific workarounds in all projects using its more exotic aspects. |
23:36.03 | gevaerts | Yes, you may have a point there |
23:36.26 | rrix | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3164#section-6 |
23:37.47 | carldani | rrix: awesome! |
23:38.24 | carldani | gevaerts: To be honest, flashrom has a sizable number of non-technical users by now, and all of them just want to update their BIOS. |
23:39.15 | carldani | gevaerts: And the usual "$TOOL from $VENDOR bricked my device, now you have to help me recover because you know flash chips" |
23:39.28 | gevaerts | right, those |
23:40.07 | gevaerts | There's probably also people who expect coreboot to help them use defective hardware |
23:40.45 | carldani | Heh yes. "$MACHINE does not boot, how can I install coreboot?" |
23:41.25 | carldani | Heck, if that worked, I'd sell coreboot as magic fix-it kit for hardware. |
23:41.28 | scorche|sh | "my hard drive in $DIGITALAUDIOPLAYER seems to be dead...can i install Rockbox to fix it?" |
23:41.31 | scorche|sh | sighs |
23:41.38 | carldani | scorche|sh: for real? |
23:41.45 | rrix | LOL |
23:41.54 | scorche|sh | carldani: among other such questions, yes |
23:42.04 | rrix | wow |
23:42.49 | carldani | To be fair, one of the odd features of coreboot is that you can get a somewhat working machine (playing hangman) even if the computer has no RAM installed. |
23:43.03 | carldani | Heck, even tetris works. |
23:43.15 | scorche|sh | of course, it goes both ways...Rockbox also can be blamed for your hard drive dying, audio jack breaking, and other fun hardware smashings |
23:43.19 | carldani | And that leads people to believe coreboot is the magic cure for everything. |
23:44.21 | gevaerts | "I installed rockbox, and I dropped my player on concrete, and now it has loose solder joints. It's your fault!" |
23:44.21 | gevaerts | looks for the exact link |
23:44.21 | jenred | carols are you around? |
23:44.25 | sanjoyd | How about this survey - "If you had to blow away your entire 5k USD on hardware, what would you buy?" |
23:44.26 | rrix | gevaerts: users aren't *that* great now that you think about it, huh? ;) |
23:44.28 | carols | jenred: yep |
23:44.52 | Catfish_Man | sanjoyd: Ike's sandwiches |
23:45.06 | sanjoyd | was thinking on the lines of 10 iPads. :/ |
23:45.18 | gevaerts | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17229.0 |
23:46.20 | gevaerts | rrix: indeed :) |
23:47.09 | rrix | ew, Ipad |
23:48.06 | rrix | gevaerts: *facepalm* at that link |
23:48.45 | carldani | sanjoyd: I'd buy bananas (including the historic varieties (Gros Michel) no longer present in shops due to various problems) and really good cream without carrageenan. $5k would last for a while. |
23:49.30 | rrix | bananas == hardwar? ;) |
23:49.53 | Catfish_Man | bananas are more firmware |
23:49.57 | Catfish_Man | or software if overripe |
23:50.12 | Catfish_Man | but I suppose that mostly applies to my sandwiches as well |
23:50.29 | carldani | rrix: Sure. "If you can touch it, it's hardware." |
23:50.29 | rrix | frozen bananas... mmm |
23:50.35 | MostAwesomeDude | You put bananas on your sandwich? |
23:50.41 | MostAwesomeDude | Or you have a ripe sandwich? |
23:50.44 | MostAwesomeDude | I'm so confused. |
23:50.49 | rrix | MostAwesomeDude: banana+nutella sandwiches == GOD. |
23:50.57 | carldani | Bananas on a sandwich are actually delicious if you know how to prepare it. |
23:51.14 | rrix | We made those for breakfast every day when I went camping a few weeks ago.. mmm |
23:51.19 | Catfish_Man | MostAwesomeDude: I have a non-hard sandwich |
23:51.32 | carldani | gevaerts: You can't make that stuff up. Awesome link! |
23:54.06 | gevaerts | carldani: I wish we didn't have those though :) |
23:54.20 | carldani | Another terminally confused user (bitchchecker): http://www.stophiphop.com/modules/news/print.php?storyid=184 |
23:54.46 | carldani | Unfortunately I was unable to locate a translation to English of that epic chat log. |
23:54.52 | rrix | Why does that nick sound so familiar? |
23:55.28 | robbyoconnor | voices |
23:55.43 | rrix | in my head! |
23:55.46 | robbyoconnor | yeh |
23:55.47 | robbyoconnor | I know! |
23:55.51 | robbyoconnor | I wish mine would shut uP! |
23:56.00 | robbyoconnor | they keep telling me i'm stupid :-) |
23:56.13 | rrix | Mine do nothing but inflate my ego :( |
23:56.26 | gevaerts | carldani: nice! |
23:56.27 | carldani | rrix: You may have seen a translation of that log somewhere. It's famous in some parts of the internet. Heck, there even is a Chinese translation for it. |
23:56.46 | *** join/#gsoc Will07c5 (~Will07c5@c-67-173-127-196.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
23:57.00 | robbyoconnor | UGH |
23:57.10 | robbyoconnor | I WANT ENGLISH |
23:57.15 | rrix | carldani: I mean, I think I *know* that person, or someone who's used that handle |
23:57.17 | robbyoconnor | is a misfit |
23:57.26 | rrix | my irclogs beg to differ though |
23:57.27 | robbyoconnor | ...at 28 |
23:57.34 | gevaerts | has to work tomorrow... Goodnight! |
23:57.44 | robbyoconnor | gevaerts: I have to do some prep work :) |
23:57.47 | carldani | Ah, found the translation http://whatthehell.eu/hacker-story |
23:58.06 | carldani | good night gevaerts |
23:59.29 | rrix | oh, my friend copypasta'd this to me at some point. That'd be why ^_^ |