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00:24.47 | rrix | bwinton: Blake Winton? from OnBoardC way back wheN? |
00:25.04 | bwinton | rrix: Yup. |
00:25.13 | rrix | Whoa, wild :D |
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00:25.46 | bwinton | It's true. I'm sometimes amazed by how small the tech industry is. |
00:25.54 | rrix | No doubt. :) |
00:26.07 | rrix | It has been forever since I've seen you around. :) |
00:26.33 | bwinton | Indeed. What have you been up to? |
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00:26.56 | rrix | brb |
00:27.25 | rrix | bwinton: KDE and Fedora Linux |
00:27.41 | rrix | Doing some stuff in KDE's PIM stuff for summer of code |
00:28.11 | rrix | How about you? Mentoring? |
00:28.26 | bwinton | Nice. I'm working for Mozilla Messaging these days, and am co-mentoring two students on Thunderbird. |
00:29.03 | rrix | Oh, that's cool! |
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00:31.17 | rrix | bwinton: Working for, as in employeed by Mozilla Messaging? |
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00:35.02 | bwinton | Yup. :) |
00:35.46 | rrix | hehe, awesome |
00:38.39 | bwinton | Yeah, I was pretty happy when I got the job. |
00:38.53 | bwinton | (And I'm still pretty happy!) |
00:39.40 | rrix | I bet. I kinda want to do the same thing out of university, whether it's at Red Hat or one of the companies which sponsor KDE development, or... ya know, wherever :) |
00:40.07 | bwinton | :) |
00:40.42 | hiddenpearls | how many were the participants this year ? |
00:40.59 | rrix | Man, I haven't talked to any onboardc guys in forever... I think I even lost contact with John Wilund :( |
00:41.31 | rrix | hiddenpearls: I *think* we're still waiting on those numbers to be released |
00:41.51 | bwinton | Yeah, I don't think I've seen any of them in quite a while either. |
00:42.06 | hiddenpearls | there was a blog post which mentioned top 10 country participants |
00:42.17 | rrix | was there? o.O I missed that, i guess |
00:42.17 | hiddenpearls | did u guys noticed ? |
00:42.25 | bwinton | (My Palm TX broke a while ago, and I replaced it with an iPod Touch, and haven't really done any Palm development since then.) |
00:42.33 | hiddenpearls | find it on google open source blog |
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00:43.04 | rrix | same... TX broke, then my lifedrive, and it was kinda like "meh don't want to buy new palm hardware" |
00:43.21 | rrix | s/iPod Touch/laptop/ ;) |
00:43.37 | rrix | I want an n900 or similar device, though, I think. Something that runs Qt would be fun to hack on |
00:44.31 | bwinton | Yeah. I saw Fennec (the Firefox Mobile build) on an n900 a while ago, and it was really nice. |
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00:44.54 | bwinton | It made me want it on my iPhone, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. :) |
00:45.08 | rrix | heheh |
00:45.27 | rrix | well, if you guys get the javascript off of it somehow, you probably could get away with it like the Opera folks did |
00:47.03 | scorche|sh | bwinton: well, there is android some versions of the iphone...fennec is definitely a possibility...it just would likely require someone to do the effort ;) |
00:47.24 | Catfish_Man | scorche: eh? |
00:47.47 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: eh eh? |
00:47.52 | bwinton | scorche|sh: Yeah, that's part of what I'm talking about. I just can't see anyone wanting to put in the effort when the possibility that it won't be accepted in the AppStore is so high. |
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00:48.23 | Catfish_Man | scorche: what is "android some versions of the iphone"? I can't parse that |
00:48.26 | bwinton | (And if I wanted to run Android on a phone, I think I would just get an Android phone. Which I might do, once my contract expires.) |
00:48.41 | scorche|sh | bwinton: well, that is just something you will have to accept when you buy a closed device such as an iphone |
00:48.41 | bwinton | Catfish_Man: I read it as "android runs on some versions of the iphone". |
00:48.48 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: i forgot "on" |
00:48.48 | Catfish_Man | oh |
00:49.11 | Catfish_Man | I consider iPhones to be primarily software defined devices |
00:49.14 | bwinton | scorche|sh: Yeah. I knew that when I got it, and it sucks. But the it-just-works-ness of it was too hard to resist. |
00:49.17 | Catfish_Man | one running android isn't an iphone |
00:49.39 | bwinton | Also, I don't think I could buy an Android phone a year ago. (I'm in Canada.) |
00:49.52 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: so what about all of the digital audio players that rockbox runs on...same thing? |
00:50.07 | carldani | "to android sth.", verb. [comp] voiding the warranty |
00:50.30 | rrix | bwinton: I thought you were UK? |
00:50.32 | Catfish_Man | scorche: hard to say, it'd depend on the device I think |
00:50.44 | Catfish_Man | scorche: are you familiar with alan kay's writing about dynabooks? |
00:50.49 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: if you put linux on a Dell x543243tydf3 is it any less of a Dell whateveritypedasastring? |
00:51.06 | scorche|sh | i am not |
00:51.16 | Catfish_Man | scorche: http://dscoder.com/dynabook.html |
00:51.37 | scorche|sh | oh...i think i remember this |
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00:53.38 | bwinton | scorche|sh: That's a flawed analogy. Dell doesn't make its own operating system. If I put Windows on a Mac, does it make it less of a Mac? Yes. ;) |
00:55.10 | Dark_Shikari | being less of a mac is hardly a negative thing ;) |
00:56.08 | Catfish_Man | scorche: perhaps it would be better phrased as "iPhone OS running on another device would still be an iPhone". |
00:56.11 | bwinton | Dark_Shikari: Depends on what you're trying to do. |
00:56.25 | Catfish_Man | the hardware is basically just a shape for the functionality to live in |
00:56.26 | rrix | I don't think iPhone OS running on another device would be an iPhone |
00:56.46 | Catfish_Man | rrix: some devices won't fit it, but assuming it has the capabilities I don't see that it would be much different |
00:56.53 | Catfish_Man | and yes, Linux on a Dell is still Linux |
00:57.01 | Catfish_Man | hardware doesn't interest me that much anymore |
00:57.03 | scorche|sh | i would consider "iPhone" to be a term for the device itself |
00:57.08 | rrix | iPhone is the entire package, hardware and software, imo. if you saw iPhone OS running on, say, an HTC Hero, it wouldn't "work" per se. It just wouldn't be an iPhone. |
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00:57.39 | scorche|sh | there is a difference in my view between an "iPhone" and an "iPhone OS" |
00:57.41 | rrix | I look at the iPhone as more of an experience than anything, for better or worse |
00:57.50 | Catfish_Man | rrix is probably more right than I am on this :) |
00:57.59 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: i imagine so |
00:58.04 | Catfish_Man | I guess I was trying to articulate that I think the software is by far the more important part |
00:58.11 | Catfish_Man | and the hardware is basically pretty boring |
00:59.12 | scorche|sh | rrix: if we are referring to "the iPhone experience", i would certainly agree with you, however i still would, after loading Z, say that it is an iPhone running Z |
00:59.19 | rrix | Yes |
00:59.24 | rrix | :) |
00:59.45 | scorche|sh | though this may be a personal thing and impacted by myself involved in Rockbox where we deal with this all the time with embedded devices that werent meant to have another OS running on them |
01:00.00 | Catfish_Man | scorche: I don't think that can usefully be called an iPhone anymore. If you swapped out the processor for an Atom would it be an iPhone? |
01:00.08 | scorche|sh | no |
01:00.14 | scorche|sh | hardware is hardware |
01:00.18 | Catfish_Man | but one of those parts actually matters for the user |
01:00.25 | Catfish_Man | and the other merely enables the former |
01:00.37 | scorche|sh | if you wipe the OS completely, i would still call it an iPhone....a broken one, but still |
01:01.04 | scorche|sh | are we on the same page in this discussion, or on slightly different tracks? |
01:01.16 | Catfish_Man | I think we basically just disagree |
01:01.28 | scorche|sh | ok...just making sure =) |
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01:02.16 | scorche|sh | so, to give me a better understanding of what you are saying, what would you call an iPod running Rockbox, as I assume you wouldnt call it an iPod anymore? |
01:02.34 | Catfish_Man | heh, no idea. iPods are pretty much just a play button to me |
01:02.44 | scorche|sh | so where is the line drawn? |
01:02.50 | Catfish_Man | so if the play button still worked, it'd be the same device to me |
01:02.56 | Catfish_Man | if you broke that, then no ;) |
01:03.09 | rrix | Most users would disagree though |
01:03.32 | scorche|sh | well, rockbox has different controls for things...eg the button labelled "menu" means "menu"...not "back a screen" as in the ipod firmware |
01:03.40 | rrix | Rockbox, for better or worse, lacks the over 9000 apps in the iphone store, thus is uninteresting, and not "the iPhone" |
01:03.51 | Catfish_Man | rrix: well, iPods do too |
01:03.56 | rrix | I mean, yes |
01:03.59 | Catfish_Man | I don't think anyone is arguing that iPods are iPhones |
01:04.04 | rrix | s/iphone/ipod touch/g |
01:04.23 | rrix | as for ipod classic/nano plain and simple, i could see that |
01:04.27 | scorche|sh | rrix: well, i was referring to an ipod ipod rather than an ipod touch, but... |
01:04.30 | rrix | this all too confusing :) |
01:04.36 | rrix | shakefists at Apple |
01:04.42 | scorche|sh | i just am trying to understand where the line is drawn here |
01:05.05 | Catfish_Man | scorche: let me see if I can be clearer by analogy. Consider two blenders, one with a touch screen, one with physical buttons. If you swap out the physical controls on the buttons one, it's a different blender, but if you change the software on the touch screen, it's not? |
01:05.21 | rrix | I think the line is drawn in "what does user expect to do with the device, and can $software + $hardware do that?" |
01:05.28 | rrix | so "does it blend?" |
01:05.30 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: yes, but you are still tweaking hardware...not what is run on top of the hadware platform |
01:05.52 | Catfish_Man | scorche: essentially, why does converting a button into an identical virtual button allow you to change it without changing what device it is? |
01:06.18 | scorche|sh | i would argue it does...it would change the model designation |
01:06.33 | scorche|sh | as in it does change what device it is |
01:07.03 | Catfish_Man | why is a button consisting of pixels different from a button consisting of any other material? |
01:07.20 | Catfish_Man | the former is in the "changing this does not change the device category", but every other material is not |
01:07.43 | scorche|sh | OS is not physical material |
01:08.05 | Catfish_Man | why is physicality so important though? |
01:08.22 | ojwb | ask your partner... |
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01:08.28 | Catfish_Man | heh |
01:09.12 | scorche|sh | changing the software running on the device can change how you interact with the device, but it does not make the device any less the same device it was before in my opinion...i have not touched the device's hardware/physical attributes |
01:09.43 | Catfish_Man | scorche: I think you're drawing a line that doesn't exist. A button is a button regardless of how it's made |
01:10.02 | Catfish_Man | in fact one could argue that a virtual button is still physical in a sense. It's just made of phosphors or twisted liquid crystals, or whatnot |
01:10.04 | scorche|sh | in the old days when software was more hardware based (weaving memory), i could understand your point, but not now |
01:10.22 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: but it is *different* physically...it may function the same, but it is a different model imo |
01:10.42 | Catfish_Man | yes, I understand that |
01:10.49 | Catfish_Man | I asked why physicality is the deciding factor on this |
01:11.18 | Catfish_Man | i.e. why what a thing *is* is decided by its physical form, any no other attributes |
01:11.23 | Catfish_Man | s/any/and |
01:11.43 | Catfish_Man | to pull this further out into philosophy land, I have changed since yesterday, and yet I'm still David |
01:12.03 | scorche|sh | it just seems "right" in my opinion...yes, but you are expected to change |
01:12.14 | Catfish_Man | mmk |
01:12.16 | scorche|sh | i am trying to think of a more eloquent way of putting this |
01:12.58 | Catfish_Man | I need to get off the bus and get some dinner. Interesting difference in viewpoint though :) |
01:13.08 | MostAwesomeDude | I don't think it's appropriate to compare people to iPods though. |
01:13.37 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: maybe come into #rockbox-community sometime during euro daytime...i am sure you will find many people to discuss this with =) |
01:13.46 | scorche|sh | ones who will likely be able to....blah |
01:14.28 | scorche|sh | MostAwesomeDude: i would agree...i think you might encouter a bit more trouble changing David's "software" ;) |
01:14.30 | ojwb | MostAwesomeDude: not even people who are slick and popular, yet fundamentally empty inside? |
01:16.13 | bwinton | ojwb: Like the Rolling Stones? ;) |
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01:17.54 | Catfish_Man | scorche: more likely to just bring it up at lunch sometime in rl. I'm curious if my coworkers think similarly or not |
01:18.26 | scorche | nods |
01:18.41 | MostAwesomeDude | scorche|sh: Au contraire, by the day I can feel my mind constantly re-specializing itself towards my current code projects. My old iPod, however, still takes the same amount of time to boot Rockbox. |
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01:19.08 | MostAwesomeDude | It's a great philosophical line of thought, that's for sure. :3 |
01:19.17 | scorche | i am just saying if you want to understand my viewpoint further (or perhaps not...i cant speak for others), it is there where you might find others quite interested in the topic....i think i might bring it up to them at some point in the near future anyway |
01:19.39 | Catfish_Man | scorche: fair enough. I might some time :) |
01:20.27 | scorche | Catfish_Man: i will paste you the logs if anything comes out of it =) |
01:20.33 | Catfish_Man | kk |
01:21.19 | scorche | also, it is nice having a decent discussion with others...internet arguments "suck" for the most part =) |
01:21.42 | Catfish_Man | that is the nice thing about #gsoc (or #webkit/#llvm/#other decent channel) |
01:21.47 | scorche | (others being you and those who chimed in) |
01:22.27 | scorche | indeed! |
01:22.29 | Catfish_Man | ah! Kay puts it better than I do. "In other words, the *material* of a computer system is the computer itself, all of the *content* and *function* is fashioned in software.". I believe our debate boils down to which of those factors defines a device |
01:22.42 | scorche | i read that, yes |
01:22.54 | Catfish_Man | with viewpoints raised here being (iirc) "material", "content & function", and "all three" |
01:23.12 | Catfish_Man | you, me, and rrix respectively |
01:24.33 | scorche | for what its worth (i stated it above, but it might be good to restate just in case), i wouldnt call an ipod running rockbox "an ipod" without qualifiers...if i was referring to the device itself, i would, but otherwise it would typically be qualified with a "...running rockbox" after the device name |
01:24.44 | Catfish_Man | ah true |
01:25.03 | scorche | i stated that above, me thinks, but i felt that that line might have been skipped over |
01:25.07 | Catfish_Man | I might well call it that myself |
01:25.23 | Catfish_Man | I think I'd be thinking of it as "rockbox running on ipod hardware" though |
01:26.05 | scorche | the difference here, i think, is that i still consider it an iPod (with the proper qualifiers), and you wouldnt, correct? |
01:26.35 | bwinton | I'ld probably call it a "Pilot", as that seems to be what I've called all the handheld devices I've owned since the mid-90's. :) |
01:26.40 | Catfish_Man | I think so, yes. I would still call it that, but it would be a shorthand for "ipod hardware" |
01:27.31 | scorche | Catfish_Man: which fundamentally/if broken down, mine might be as well... |
01:28.57 | scorche | but if hardware terms such as "device", etc are used i would still call it an iPod |
01:29.45 | scorche | then again, device could be interpreted as more than hardware...but i should probably shut up about now...today has been a long day and i may not be up to discussing my point clearly enough... |
01:30.03 | Catfish_Man | 's cool |
01:30.13 | Catfish_Man | I'm weirdly awake, but I suspect it may be a trap |
01:30.16 | Catfish_Man | since I didn't sleep nearly enough |
01:30.25 | scorche | caden: i think we might have the same idea, but differ in the semantics of it |
01:30.33 | scorche | errr.... Catfish_Man ^^ |
01:30.39 | Catfish_Man | yeah probably |
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05:01.16 | blkperl | so we email our proof of enrollment & tax form to carols@google.com right? |
05:02.26 | rrix | yes... |
05:03.05 | rrix | Note: don't start by sending it to carols@gmail.com like I did :) |
05:03.23 | blkperl | haha k just making sure :) |
05:04.40 | blkperl | did we need to include anything specific in the email? just name and attached docs |
05:05.42 | qrng | Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames. |
05:06.10 | rrix | ink works best |
05:06.26 | rrix | wow |
05:06.32 | rrix | in subject works best, I think |
05:06.39 | rrix | stupid build is eating all my IO ;) |
05:06.56 | qrng | Not IQ? :-P |
05:07.13 | rrix | no, that's after the caffeine wears off :) |
05:07.49 | qrng | Anyhow, I have found Carols to be a fine and reasonable woman, everything went well even though my email was titled 'Administrivia'. |
05:08.03 | rrix | Carol kicks butt |
05:08.27 | qrng | No arguments here. |
05:08.51 | qrng | S'long she whatever butt she kicks is not mine. :-D |
05:08.59 | rrix | :D |
05:09.00 | blkperl | Carol is pretty awesome, managing 1000+ students :) |
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05:10.25 | qrng | Yes, especially having in mind that men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. To manage such a herd is no small feat. |
05:11.05 | rrix | lol |
05:11.05 | blkperl | especially a international herd :) |
05:11.16 | rrix | there are some girl SoCers here |
05:12.00 | qrng | D'accord, d'accord, my younn American friend, there are some girls here, hence the greeting "Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames". |
05:12.56 | rrix | Gah, I was gonna reply in french... but it's been too long :( |
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05:15.40 | qrng | Tut, tut. Tout le monde devrait savoir la langue de la culture et de l'education. |
05:17.02 | rrix | Mais oui :) |
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05:17.16 | rrix | I took two years of french, but I'm out of practice,and hardly fluent :( |
05:17.20 | rrix | I can read it at least |
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05:18.57 | qrng | You sound very reasonable. |
05:19.17 | rrix | I try to be :) |
05:19.52 | qrng | On the other hand, I had this incident with a whale-woman in the downtown of Marseille. |
05:20.27 | rrix | hahaha |
05:20.44 | qrng | It was a fine day, young and fresh, sun was shining everywhere and easy ocean breeze just made everything so delightful. |
05:21.14 | qrng | I was enjoying myself and strolling in the downtown of Marseille, chilling out. |
05:22.22 | qrng | And, imagine my surprise, when a big paw just snatched at my shoulder and some she-whale began shouting in my ear: WHERE IS THIS CHURCH!!!? |
05:22.49 | rrix | hahaha |
05:22.51 | qrng | No "bonjour"s, no "excusez-moi"s. |
05:23.25 | rrix | did you point her to McDonalds? ;D |
05:23.53 | qrng | No, I responded that "elle n'est pas la". |
05:24.23 | qrng | I also told her that I don't understand her. In French, of course. |
05:24.26 | alexandru | it was, probably, her favourite place for congregation |
05:24.30 | rrix | :) |
05:24.33 | rrix | hehehe |
05:25.17 | qrng | I try to be very reasonable, you know, but sometimes too much is simply too much. |
05:25.46 | qrng | And then she probably wailed for two months in all forums that she-whales usually frequent about rude French people. |
05:26.37 | rrix | My people... what can I say? :) |
05:27.19 | qrng | Oh, no, no. I am not in the habit of condemning the whole country by its few and select individuals. |
05:27.25 | alexandru | qrng: best you didn't point her out to a church that she would've disturbed with loud comments and such. and flash photography, no doubt |
05:28.44 | qrng | I cannot agree more. |
05:29.18 | rrix | qrng: I know. It's just that, living here, there are a *lot* of people like that :( |
05:30.31 | qrng | You can always move to Europe. :-) |
05:30.41 | blkperl | i think theres a lot of people like that everywhere :) |
05:31.04 | rrix | qrng: was thinking about canada, after I graduate college |
05:31.58 | qrng | Ah, Le Canada. |
05:32.10 | rrix | Yup :D |
05:32.10 | alexandru | oui, oui, come here |
05:32.15 | qrng | It's a fine country. |
05:32.27 | rrix | alexandru: What part of Canada do you live in? |
05:32.35 | qrng | Albeit le francais quebecois always makes me smile.:-D |
05:32.44 | alexandru | rrix: currently in Vancouver |
05:32.52 | rrix | ah, wonderful |
05:33.07 | rrix | wants to visit their definitely. I have seen such beautiful pictures of Van |
05:33.11 | rrix | there* |
05:33.34 | alexandru | indeed, there's some nice things around here |
05:33.44 | alexandru | rrix: where do you live? |
05:34.04 | rrix | alexandru: Phoenix Arizona USA |
05:34.18 | qrng | Southern belt. |
05:34.30 | rrix | yup |
05:34.41 | rrix | Nice place but ⦠it's hot and the people aren't overtly friendly |
05:35.32 | alexandru | rrix: well it's a long running joke that canadians are disgustingly polite :) you can test it out if you want, but from my limited experience in seattle and in los angeles i'd say that's about right |
05:35.37 | qrng | Doesn't bother me, really. I'd rather people were courteous and polite than with a gungho attitude. |
05:35.50 | rrix | nods |
05:36.03 | rrix | All the canadians I know are awesome folks |
05:36.04 | alexandru | although, on the other hand, i lived in eastern europe for a large portion of my life, and *that* was something else in terms of rudeness. |
05:36.20 | rrix | Haha |
05:36.34 | Catfish_Man | alexandru: LA and Seattle are unusually rude :P |
05:36.43 | rrix | This is also true |
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05:37.20 | rrix | A lot of places on the west coast are, though |
05:37.33 | rrix | San Francisco has nice people, mostly, as long as you stay out of Oakland ;) |
05:38.03 | Catfish_Man | rrix: heh, my housemate would get mad about that. His new ladyfriend lives in oakland |
05:38.27 | alexandru | of course, as always, there's a disclaimer about generalizations and what Dumas said of them |
05:38.32 | rrix | Catfish_Man: hopefully she's not out stabbing people :) |
05:38.49 | rrix | The one time I went to Oakland, I was almost stabbed, and I just hear horrible things about that city :( |
05:39.17 | alexandru | Catfish_Man: LA I'd expect, but Seattle I didn't think would be too bad. |
05:39.32 | Catfish_Man | alexandru: Seattle is the cold, dirty, rude, big version of Portland |
05:39.38 | Catfish_Man | </portland snobbery> |
05:39.40 | Catfish_Man | :D |
05:39.44 | alexandru | and with taxes |
05:40.02 | blkperl | Catfish_Man: you live in portland? :) |
05:40.14 | Catfish_Man | blkperl: grew up there, moved to SF last year |
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05:41.58 | blkperl | i havn't met any snobs yet, but then again portlands a big place |
05:42.33 | Catfish_Man | oh, it's not that bad. We just tend to really like Portland, and make fun of Seattle :) |
05:43.35 | blkperl | of course :) |
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05:46.55 | qrng | alexandru: Where in Eastern Europe? |
05:47.01 | alexandru | .ro |
05:47.09 | qrng | Could have guessed. |
05:48.06 | qrng | I don't know much about the usual modus vivendi there, but those romanians that I know are fine people. |
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05:48.44 | alexandru | yeah i don't think this form of the name is used by any other country in the world |
05:49.29 | alexandru | qrng: it's a bizarre state of affairs where you'll have very, very nice, helpful and intelligent people |
05:49.58 | alexandru | and then total douches |
05:50.56 | alexandru | which obviously are wildly more visible, and now that the borders in the EU are as they are, plenty of opportunities for said dirtbags to make a poor name for the country all over the place |
05:51.12 | alexandru | heh, much like your story about the she-whale. it's always the bad ones... |
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05:53.45 | qrng | The problem with Eastern Europe in general is that living on the other side of the Wall has made some impact. For example, hierarchical structures are very much Russian in nature, and they manifest everywhere in one's daily life: beginning with sadistic bureaucrats who enjoy having power over you immensely and finishing with one's employers, who usually deem themselves to be cut from better material. |
05:56.08 | qrng | Now, that I have written this, it seems pretty universal but make no mistake, some of the aspects of those things are raised to the whole new level, never experienced by those living in Western Europe. |
05:59.37 | alexandru | i agree |
06:00.22 | alexandru | as for bureaucrats, it's purely Kafkaesque sometimes :) |
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06:09.45 | qrng | That's why I love Denmark. :-D |
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11:39.10 | peper | The amount of spam on the students list is ridiculous this year, I have almost missed the "New student info" mail. I think you should create a student-announce m/l and cross post important stuff there |
11:40.23 | peper | hmm, or i can just filter messages from @google.com, that should work as well |
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11:43.38 | kai | peper: it's ridiculous every year |
11:44.11 | Chainsaw | People get annoyed with the mentors list. I can only imagine what the students list is like. |
11:44.25 | topfs2 | peper, just filter anything that isn't from carols :) |
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12:41.34 | peper | kai: hmm, maybe i was just part of the spam in 2007 and didn't notice ;p |
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14:59.11 | Sylnai | general question, anyone else had the problem where changing the primary email address of your google account causes melange to have no clue who you are? |
14:59.28 | Sylnai | kind of irritating when trying to find the tax forms |
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15:07.01 | Sylnai | 'You need to be in the user group to read documents in the gsoc_program prefix.' site seems to have lost all my user data, meh |
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15:10.10 | Kosma | Sylnai: have you tried to change the address back? ;-) |
15:10.21 | Sylnai | Kosma: would if the old email still existed :P |
15:10.38 | Sylnai | converted my gmail address from googlemail->gmail |
15:10.43 | Sylnai | after the silly legal stuff in europe finished |
15:11.10 | kblin | hm? |
15:11.24 | kblin | it has? |
15:11.54 | Sylnai | well, it was on slashdot, and I got my old email address back, so it seems that way |
15:12.14 | kblin | hehe |
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15:14.14 | kblin | "Please note that people with German @googlemail.com addresses will not be able to change their addresses at this time" |
15:14.17 | kblin | ah |
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15:15.53 | Sylnai | ah, might've just been the UK one they resolved |
15:16.26 | kblin | looks like |
15:16.51 | kblin | not that it matters for me, I got my address _before_ the hassles started :) |
15:17.19 | Sylnai | so you've got the weird redirection hack they left in? :P |
15:17.36 | kblin | hm? |
15:17.47 | Sylnai | they auto-forward stuff sent to the gmail.com address |
15:17.52 | Sylnai | if you had it before the change |
15:18.17 | schumaml | kblin: http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/register/300256973/DE |
15:18.32 | schumaml | "SchutzendedatumVED30.04.2010" |
15:19.24 | kblin | yeah |
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15:20.21 | kblin | Sylnai: well, the webmail also _sends_ from gmail.com |
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15:20.43 | Sylnai | kblin: yeah mine did that too, I never figured out why they left it in |
15:21.15 | schumaml | Did any users get sued at all? |
15:21.37 | kblin | schumaml: I don't see any grounds to sue the users |
15:21.52 | schumaml | kblin: Mitstörer |
15:22.16 | kblin | schumaml: if you've got a contract with a US-based company? |
15:23.00 | Sylnai | *sighs*, why are there no contact details on socghop.appspot.com? |
15:23.18 | kblin | Sylnai: #melange? |
15:23.41 | Sylnai | kblin: thought that was just the project they used, and not the people admin-ing the site? |
15:24.06 | schumaml | kblin: Mr Giersch claimed that using a @gmail address would infringe on his trademark |
15:25.36 | kblin | Sylnai: same difference, in this case |
15:25.48 | Sylnai | kblin: oh cool, thanks :) |
15:25.53 | kblin | schumaml: I wouldn't trust a lawyer that's not my own |
15:26.24 | kblin | schumaml: especially as there's clearly a - in the logo he registered |
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15:27.46 | schumaml | aw, come on. the fact that it is easy to confuse gmail and g-mail is evident |
15:28.17 | kblin | schumaml: so is @t-online.de and @online.de |
15:28.25 | kblin | and still those are two different providers |
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15:30.07 | kblin | schumaml: though it'd be interesting to prove that you're only use US servers for your mail :) |
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15:54.48 | xzilla | is it possible for high school (or younger) students to join gsoc ? |
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15:56.58 | schumaml | xzilla: what ages does this translate to (for those of us who have no clear idea about student's ages at high schools)? |
15:57.28 | xzilla | < 18 |
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15:57.46 | schumaml | have you read the faq? |
15:57.50 | xzilla | is there an age requirement? |
15:57.58 | xzilla | :-) |
15:58.17 | xzilla | schumaml: read the faq, but wasnt thinking about this scenario at the time |
15:58.26 | xzilla | guess i have to go read it again |
15:59.03 | schumaml | the very first question in the eligibility section, actually |
16:00.08 | xzilla | i guess the second question matters more |
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16:00.14 | xzilla | you could be 18 and in high school |
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16:00.33 | xzilla | but if your not in some pre-sceondary program, you wouldnt be eligible |
16:01.31 | MostAwesomeDude | Theoretically, you could be 18 and taking part-time IB or AP credits, but I don't think any students have ever been accepted on that premise. |
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16:04.26 | pavansss91 | !next |
16:04.26 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 |
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17:46.07 | BarryCarlyon | carols: I sent my forms in, I used the iPhone app Zosh to do the signature is this acceptable? |
17:46.32 | carols | BarryCarlyon: if its not ill let you know in response to your email |
17:46.37 | BarryCarlyon | Coolio |
17:46.47 | BarryCarlyon | It lets me use my iPhone screen to draw the signature. |
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17:46.59 | carols | BarryCarlyon: sounds kinda cool |
17:47.19 | BarryCarlyon | Indeed. Quite useful saves a print followed by scan/fax |
17:48.29 | merwok | gives carols a cookie |
17:48.37 | carols | munches the cookie |
17:48.39 | carols | thanks merwok |
17:48.47 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
17:48.59 | BarryCarlyon | drinks all the coffee |
17:49.01 | BarryCarlyon | Tasty! |
17:49.13 | carols | google coffee is awesome :-) |
17:49.22 | BarryCarlyon | :-) |
17:51.11 | BarryCarlyon | Anywho time to go to work. See you all later. |
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18:11.50 | mlankhorst | noon |
18:12.55 | carols | noon mlankhorst |
18:14.07 | mlankhorst | carols: :D |
18:14.21 | mlankhorst | how are ya |
18:18.16 | carols | mlankhorst: im good. glad its friday. how are you? |
18:19.30 | mlankhorst | same |
18:19.43 | carols | the weekend usually comes just in time :-) |
18:19.55 | gevaerts | Or just too late :) |
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18:20.34 | carols | true :-) |
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