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00:24.47rrixbwinton: Blake Winton? from OnBoardC way back wheN?
00:25.04bwintonrrix: Yup.
00:25.13rrixWhoa, wild :D
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00:25.46bwintonIt's true.  I'm sometimes amazed by how small the tech industry is.
00:25.54rrixNo doubt. :)
00:26.07rrixIt has been forever since I've seen you around. :)
00:26.33bwintonIndeed.  What have you been up to?
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00:26.56rrixbrb
00:27.25rrixbwinton: KDE and Fedora Linux
00:27.41rrixDoing some stuff in KDE's PIM stuff for summer of code
00:28.11rrixHow about you? Mentoring?
00:28.26bwintonNice.  I'm working for Mozilla Messaging these days, and am co-mentoring two students on Thunderbird.
00:29.03rrixOh, that's cool!
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00:31.17rrixbwinton: Working for, as in employeed by Mozilla Messaging?
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00:35.02bwintonYup.  :)
00:35.46rrixhehe, awesome
00:38.39bwintonYeah, I was pretty happy when I got the job.
00:38.53bwinton(And I'm still pretty happy!)
00:39.40rrixI bet. I kinda want to do the same thing out of university, whether it's at Red Hat or one of the companies which sponsor KDE development, or... ya know, wherever :)
00:40.07bwinton:)
00:40.42hiddenpearlshow many were the participants this year ?
00:40.59rrixMan, I haven't talked to any onboardc guys in forever... I think I even lost contact with John Wilund :(
00:41.31rrixhiddenpearls: I *think* we're still waiting on those numbers to be released
00:41.51bwintonYeah, I don't think I've seen any of them in quite a while either.
00:42.06hiddenpearlsthere was a blog post which mentioned top 10 country participants
00:42.17rrixwas there? o.O I missed that, i guess
00:42.17hiddenpearlsdid u guys noticed ?
00:42.25bwinton(My Palm TX broke a while ago, and I replaced it with an iPod Touch, and haven't really done any Palm development since then.)
00:42.33hiddenpearlsfind it on google open source blog
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00:43.04rrixsame... TX broke, then my lifedrive, and it was kinda like "meh don't want to buy new palm hardware"
00:43.21rrixs/iPod Touch/laptop/ ;)
00:43.37rrixI want an n900 or similar device, though, I think. Something that runs Qt would be fun to hack on
00:44.31bwintonYeah.  I saw Fennec (the Firefox Mobile build) on an n900 a while ago, and it was really nice.
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00:44.54bwintonIt made me want it on my iPhone, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.  :)
00:45.08rrixheheh
00:45.27rrixwell, if you guys get the javascript off of it somehow, you probably could get away with it like the Opera folks did
00:47.03scorche|shbwinton: well, there is android some versions of the iphone...fennec is definitely a possibility...it just would likely require someone to do the effort  ;)
00:47.24Catfish_Manscorche: eh?
00:47.47scorche|shCatfish_Man: eh eh?
00:47.52bwintonscorche|sh: Yeah, that's part of what I'm talking about.  I just can't see anyone wanting to put in the effort when the possibility that it won't be accepted in the AppStore is so high.
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00:48.23Catfish_Manscorche: what is "android some versions of the iphone"? I can't parse that
00:48.26bwinton(And if I wanted to run Android on a phone, I think I would just get an Android phone.  Which I might do, once my contract expires.)
00:48.41scorche|shbwinton: well, that is just something you will have to accept when you buy a closed device such as an iphone
00:48.41bwintonCatfish_Man: I read it as "android runs on some versions of the iphone".
00:48.48scorche|shCatfish_Man: i forgot "on"
00:48.48Catfish_Manoh
00:49.11Catfish_ManI consider iPhones to be primarily software defined devices
00:49.14bwintonscorche|sh: Yeah.  I knew that when I got it, and it sucks.  But the it-just-works-ness of it was too hard to resist.
00:49.17Catfish_Manone running android isn't an iphone
00:49.39bwintonAlso, I don't think I could buy an Android phone a year ago.  (I'm in Canada.)
00:49.52scorche|shCatfish_Man: so what about all of the digital audio players that rockbox runs on...same thing?
00:50.07carldani"to android sth.", verb. [comp] voiding the warranty
00:50.30rrixbwinton: I thought you were UK?
00:50.32Catfish_Manscorche: hard to say, it'd depend on the device I think
00:50.44Catfish_Manscorche: are you familiar with alan kay's writing about dynabooks?
00:50.49scorche|shCatfish_Man: if you put linux on a Dell x543243tydf3 is it any less of a Dell whateveritypedasastring?
00:51.06scorche|shi am not
00:51.16Catfish_Manscorche: http://dscoder.com/dynabook.html
00:51.37scorche|shoh...i think i remember this
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00:53.38bwintonscorche|sh: That's a flawed analogy.  Dell doesn't make its own operating system.  If I put Windows on a Mac, does it make it less of a Mac?  Yes.  ;)
00:55.10Dark_Shikaribeing less of a mac is hardly a negative thing ;)
00:56.08Catfish_Manscorche: perhaps it would be better phrased as "iPhone OS running on another device would still be an iPhone".
00:56.11bwintonDark_Shikari: Depends on what you're trying to do.
00:56.25Catfish_Manthe hardware is basically just a shape for the functionality to live in
00:56.26rrixI don't think iPhone OS running on another device would be an iPhone
00:56.46Catfish_Manrrix: some devices won't fit it, but assuming it has the capabilities I don't see that it would be much different
00:56.53Catfish_Manand yes, Linux on a Dell is still Linux
00:57.01Catfish_Manhardware doesn't interest me that much anymore
00:57.03scorche|shi would consider "iPhone" to be a term for the device itself
00:57.08rrixiPhone is the entire package, hardware and software, imo. if you saw iPhone OS running on, say, an HTC Hero, it wouldn't "work" per se. It just wouldn't be an iPhone.
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00:57.39scorche|shthere is a difference in my view between an "iPhone" and an "iPhone OS"
00:57.41rrixI look at the iPhone as more of an experience than anything, for better or worse
00:57.50Catfish_Manrrix is probably more right than I am on this :)
00:57.59scorche|shCatfish_Man: i imagine so
00:58.04Catfish_ManI guess I was trying to articulate that I think the software is by far the more important part
00:58.11Catfish_Manand the hardware is basically pretty boring
00:59.12scorche|shrrix: if we are referring to "the iPhone experience", i would certainly agree with you, however i still would, after loading Z, say that it is an iPhone running Z
00:59.19rrixYes
00:59.24rrix:)
00:59.45scorche|shthough this may be a personal thing and impacted by myself involved in Rockbox where we deal with this all the time with embedded devices that werent meant to have another OS running on them
01:00.00Catfish_Manscorche: I don't think that can usefully be called an iPhone anymore. If you swapped out the processor for an Atom would it be an iPhone?
01:00.08scorche|shno
01:00.14scorche|shhardware is hardware
01:00.18Catfish_Manbut one of those parts actually matters for the user
01:00.25Catfish_Manand the other merely enables the former
01:00.37scorche|shif you wipe the OS completely, i would still call it an iPhone....a broken one, but still
01:01.04scorche|share we on the same page in this discussion, or on slightly different tracks?
01:01.16Catfish_ManI think we basically just disagree
01:01.28scorche|shok...just making sure  =)
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01:02.16scorche|shso, to give me a better understanding of what you are saying, what would you call an iPod running Rockbox, as I assume you wouldnt call it an iPod anymore?
01:02.34Catfish_Manheh, no idea. iPods are pretty much just a play button to me
01:02.44scorche|shso where is the line drawn?
01:02.50Catfish_Manso if the play button still worked, it'd be the same device to me
01:02.56Catfish_Manif you broke that, then no ;)
01:03.09rrixMost users would disagree though
01:03.32scorche|shwell, rockbox has different controls for things...eg the button labelled "menu" means "menu"...not "back a screen" as in the ipod firmware
01:03.40rrixRockbox, for better or worse, lacks the over 9000 apps in the iphone store, thus is uninteresting, and not "the iPhone"
01:03.51Catfish_Manrrix: well, iPods do too
01:03.56rrixI mean, yes
01:03.59Catfish_ManI don't think anyone is arguing that iPods are iPhones
01:04.04rrixs/iphone/ipod touch/g
01:04.23rrixas for ipod classic/nano plain and simple, i could see that
01:04.27scorche|shrrix: well, i was referring to an ipod ipod rather than an ipod touch, but...
01:04.30rrixthis all too confusing :)
01:04.36rrixshakefists at Apple
01:04.42scorche|shi just am trying to understand where the line is drawn here
01:05.05Catfish_Manscorche: let me see if I can be clearer by analogy. Consider two blenders, one with a touch screen, one with physical buttons. If you swap out the physical controls on the buttons one, it's a different blender, but if you change the software on the touch screen, it's not?
01:05.21rrixI think the line is drawn in "what does user expect to do with the device, and can $software + $hardware do that?"
01:05.28rrixso "does it blend?"
01:05.30scorche|shCatfish_Man: yes, but you are still tweaking hardware...not what is run on top of the hadware platform
01:05.52Catfish_Manscorche: essentially, why does converting a button into an identical virtual button allow you to change it without changing what device it is?
01:06.18scorche|shi would argue it does...it would change the model designation
01:06.33scorche|shas in it does change what device it is
01:07.03Catfish_Manwhy is a button consisting of pixels different from a button consisting of any other material?
01:07.20Catfish_Manthe former is in the "changing this does not change the device category", but every other material is not
01:07.43scorche|shOS is not physical material
01:08.05Catfish_Manwhy is physicality so important though?
01:08.22ojwbask your partner...
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01:08.28Catfish_Manheh
01:09.12scorche|shchanging the software running on the device can change how you interact with the device, but it does not make the device any less the same device it was before in my opinion...i have not touched the device's hardware/physical attributes
01:09.43Catfish_Manscorche: I think you're drawing a line that doesn't exist. A button is a button regardless of how it's made
01:10.02Catfish_Manin fact one could argue that a virtual button is still physical in a sense. It's just made of phosphors or twisted liquid crystals, or whatnot
01:10.04scorche|shin the old days when software was more hardware based (weaving memory), i could understand your point, but not now
01:10.22scorche|shCatfish_Man: but it is *different* physically...it may function the same, but it is a different model imo
01:10.42Catfish_Manyes, I understand that
01:10.49Catfish_ManI asked why physicality is the deciding factor on this
01:11.18Catfish_Mani.e. why what a thing *is* is decided by its physical form, any no other attributes
01:11.23Catfish_Mans/any/and
01:11.43Catfish_Manto pull this further out into philosophy land, I have changed since yesterday, and yet I'm still David
01:12.03scorche|shit just seems "right" in my opinion...yes, but you are expected to change
01:12.14Catfish_Manmmk
01:12.16scorche|shi am trying to think of a more eloquent way of putting this
01:12.58Catfish_ManI need to get off the bus and get some dinner. Interesting difference in viewpoint though :)
01:13.08MostAwesomeDudeI don't think it's appropriate to compare people to iPods though.
01:13.37scorche|shCatfish_Man: maybe come into #rockbox-community sometime during euro daytime...i am sure you will find many people to discuss this with  =)
01:13.46scorche|shones who will likely be able to....blah
01:14.28scorche|shMostAwesomeDude: i would agree...i think you might encouter a bit more trouble changing David's "software"  ;)
01:14.30ojwbMostAwesomeDude: not even people who are slick and popular, yet fundamentally empty inside?
01:16.13bwintonojwb: Like the Rolling Stones?  ;)
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01:17.54Catfish_Manscorche: more likely to just bring it up at lunch sometime in rl. I'm curious if my coworkers think similarly or not
01:18.26scorchenods
01:18.41MostAwesomeDudescorche|sh: Au contraire, by the day I can feel my mind constantly re-specializing itself towards my current code projects. My old iPod, however, still takes the same amount of time to boot Rockbox.
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01:19.08MostAwesomeDudeIt's a great philosophical line of thought, that's for sure. :3
01:19.17scorchei am just saying if you want to understand my viewpoint further (or perhaps not...i cant speak for others), it is there where you might find others quite interested in the topic....i think i might bring it up to them at some point in the near future anyway
01:19.39Catfish_Manscorche: fair enough. I might some time :)
01:20.27scorcheCatfish_Man: i will paste you the logs if anything comes out of it  =)
01:20.33Catfish_Mankk
01:21.19scorchealso, it is nice having a decent discussion with others...internet arguments "suck" for the most part  =)
01:21.42Catfish_Manthat is the nice thing about #gsoc (or #webkit/#llvm/#other decent channel)
01:21.47scorche(others being you and those who chimed in)
01:22.27scorcheindeed!
01:22.29Catfish_Manah! Kay puts it better than I do. "In other words, the *material* of a computer system is the computer itself, all of the *content* and *function* is fashioned in software.". I believe our debate boils down to which of those factors defines a device
01:22.42scorchei read that, yes
01:22.54Catfish_Manwith viewpoints raised here being (iirc) "material", "content & function", and "all three"
01:23.12Catfish_Manyou, me, and rrix respectively
01:24.33scorchefor what its worth (i stated it above, but it might be good to restate just in case), i wouldnt call an ipod running rockbox "an ipod" without qualifiers...if i was referring to the device itself, i would, but otherwise it would typically be qualified with a "...running rockbox" after the device name
01:24.44Catfish_Manah true
01:25.03scorchei stated that above, me thinks, but i felt that that line might have been skipped over
01:25.07Catfish_ManI might well call it that myself
01:25.23Catfish_ManI think I'd be thinking of it as "rockbox running on ipod hardware" though
01:26.05scorchethe difference here, i think, is that i still consider it an iPod (with the proper qualifiers), and you wouldnt, correct?
01:26.35bwintonI'ld probably call it a "Pilot", as that seems to be what I've called all the handheld devices I've owned since the mid-90's.  :)
01:26.40Catfish_ManI think so, yes. I would still call it that, but it would be a shorthand for "ipod hardware"
01:27.31scorcheCatfish_Man: which fundamentally/if broken down, mine might be as well...
01:28.57scorchebut if hardware terms such as "device", etc are used i would still call it an iPod
01:29.45scorchethen again, device could be interpreted as more than hardware...but i should probably shut up about now...today has been a long day and i may not be up to discussing my point clearly enough...
01:30.03Catfish_Man's cool
01:30.13Catfish_ManI'm weirdly awake, but I suspect it may be a trap
01:30.16Catfish_Mansince I didn't sleep nearly enough
01:30.25scorchecaden: i think we might have the same idea, but differ in the semantics of it
01:30.33scorcheerrr.... Catfish_Man ^^
01:30.39Catfish_Manyeah probably
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05:01.16blkperlso we email our proof of enrollment & tax form to carols@google.com right?
05:02.26rrixyes...
05:03.05rrixNote: don't start by sending it to carols@gmail.com like I did :)
05:03.23blkperlhaha k just making sure :)
05:04.40blkperldid we need to include anything specific in the email? just name and attached docs
05:05.42qrngBonjour, monsieurs et mesdames.
05:06.10rrixink works best
05:06.26rrixwow
05:06.32rrixin subject works best, I think
05:06.39rrixstupid build is eating all my IO ;)
05:06.56qrngNot IQ? :-P
05:07.13rrixno, that's after the caffeine wears off :)
05:07.49qrngAnyhow, I have found Carols to be a fine and reasonable woman, everything went well even though my email was titled 'Administrivia'.
05:08.03rrixCarol kicks butt
05:08.27qrngNo arguments here.
05:08.51qrngS'long she whatever butt she kicks is not mine. :-D
05:08.59rrix:D
05:09.00blkperlCarol is pretty awesome, managing 1000+ students :)
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05:10.25qrngYes, especially having in mind that men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one. To manage such a herd is no small feat.
05:11.05rrixlol
05:11.05blkperlespecially a international herd :)
05:11.16rrixthere are some girl SoCers here
05:12.00qrngD'accord, d'accord, my younn American friend, there are some girls here, hence the greeting "Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames".
05:12.56rrixGah, I was gonna reply in french... but it's been too long :(
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05:15.40qrngTut, tut. Tout le monde devrait savoir la langue de la culture et de l'education.
05:17.02rrixMais oui :)
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05:17.16rrixI took two years of french, but I'm out of practice,and hardly fluent :(
05:17.20rrixI can read it at least
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05:18.57qrngYou sound very reasonable.
05:19.17rrixI try to be :)
05:19.52qrngOn the other hand, I had this incident with a whale-woman in the downtown of Marseille.
05:20.27rrixhahaha
05:20.44qrngIt was a fine day, young and fresh, sun was shining everywhere and easy ocean breeze just made everything so delightful.
05:21.14qrngI was enjoying myself and strolling in the downtown of Marseille, chilling out.
05:22.22qrngAnd, imagine my surprise, when a big paw just snatched at my shoulder and some she-whale began shouting in my ear: WHERE IS THIS CHURCH!!!?
05:22.49rrixhahaha
05:22.51qrngNo "bonjour"s, no "excusez-moi"s.
05:23.25rrixdid you point her to McDonalds? ;D
05:23.53qrngNo, I responded that "elle n'est pas la".
05:24.23qrngI also told her that I don't understand her. In French, of course.
05:24.26alexandruit was, probably, her favourite place for congregation
05:24.30rrix:)
05:24.33rrixhehehe
05:25.17qrngI try to be very reasonable, you know, but sometimes too much is simply too much.
05:25.46qrngAnd then she probably wailed for two months in all forums that she-whales usually frequent about rude French people.
05:26.37rrixMy people... what can I say? :)
05:27.19qrngOh, no, no. I am not in the habit of condemning the whole country by its few and select individuals.
05:27.25alexandruqrng: best you didn't point her out to a church that she would've disturbed with loud comments and such. and flash photography, no doubt
05:28.44qrngI cannot agree more.
05:29.18rrixqrng: I know. It's just that, living here, there are a *lot* of people like that :(
05:30.31qrngYou can always move to Europe. :-)
05:30.41blkperli think theres a lot of people like that everywhere :)
05:31.04rrixqrng: was thinking about canada, after I graduate college
05:31.58qrngAh, Le Canada.
05:32.10rrixYup :D
05:32.10alexandruoui, oui, come here
05:32.15qrngIt's a fine country.
05:32.27rrixalexandru: What part of Canada do you live in?
05:32.35qrngAlbeit le francais quebecois always makes me smile.:-D
05:32.44alexandrurrix: currently in Vancouver
05:32.52rrixah, wonderful
05:33.07rrixwants to visit their definitely. I have seen such beautiful pictures of Van
05:33.11rrixthere*
05:33.34alexandruindeed, there's some nice things around here
05:33.44alexandrurrix: where do you live?
05:34.04rrixalexandru: Phoenix Arizona USA
05:34.18qrngSouthern belt.
05:34.30rrixyup
05:34.41rrixNice place but … it's hot and the people aren't overtly friendly
05:35.32alexandrurrix: well it's a long running joke that canadians are disgustingly polite :) you can test it out if you want, but from my limited experience in seattle and in los angeles i'd say that's about right
05:35.37qrngDoesn't bother me, really. I'd rather people were courteous and polite than with a gungho attitude.
05:35.50rrixnods
05:36.03rrixAll the canadians I know are awesome folks
05:36.04alexandrualthough, on the other hand, i lived in eastern europe for a large portion of my life, and *that* was something else in terms of rudeness.
05:36.20rrixHaha
05:36.34Catfish_Manalexandru: LA and Seattle are unusually rude :P
05:36.43rrixThis is also true
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05:37.20rrixA lot of places on the west coast are, though
05:37.33rrixSan Francisco has nice people, mostly, as long as you stay out of Oakland ;)
05:38.03Catfish_Manrrix: heh, my housemate would get mad about that. His new ladyfriend lives in oakland
05:38.27alexandruof course, as always, there's a disclaimer about generalizations and what Dumas said of them
05:38.32rrixCatfish_Man: hopefully she's not out stabbing people :)
05:38.49rrixThe one time I went to Oakland, I was almost stabbed, and I just hear horrible things about that city :(
05:39.17alexandruCatfish_Man: LA I'd expect, but Seattle I didn't think would be too bad.
05:39.32Catfish_Manalexandru: Seattle is the cold, dirty, rude, big version of Portland
05:39.38Catfish_Man</portland snobbery>
05:39.40Catfish_Man:D
05:39.44alexandruand with taxes
05:40.02blkperlCatfish_Man: you live in portland? :)
05:40.14Catfish_Manblkperl: grew up there, moved to SF last year
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05:41.58blkperli havn't met any snobs yet, but then again portlands a big place
05:42.33Catfish_Manoh, it's not that bad. We just tend to really like Portland, and make fun of Seattle :)
05:43.35blkperlof course :)
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05:46.55qrngalexandru: Where in Eastern Europe?
05:47.01alexandru.ro
05:47.09qrngCould have guessed.
05:48.06qrngI don't know much about the usual modus vivendi there, but those romanians that I know are fine people.
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05:48.44alexandruyeah i don't think this form of the name is used by any other country in the world
05:49.29alexandruqrng: it's a bizarre state of affairs where you'll have very, very nice, helpful and intelligent people
05:49.58alexandruand then total douches
05:50.56alexandruwhich obviously are wildly more visible, and now that the borders in the EU are as they are, plenty of opportunities for said dirtbags to make a poor name for the country all over the place
05:51.12alexandruheh, much like your story about the she-whale. it's always the bad ones...
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05:53.45qrngThe problem with Eastern Europe in general is that living on the other side of the Wall has made some impact. For example, hierarchical structures are very much Russian in nature, and they manifest everywhere in one's daily life: beginning with sadistic bureaucrats who enjoy having power over you immensely and finishing with one's employers, who usually deem themselves to be cut from better material.
05:56.08qrngNow, that I have written this, it seems pretty universal but make no mistake, some of the aspects of those things are raised to the whole new level, never experienced by those living in Western Europe.
05:59.37alexandrui agree
06:00.22alexandruas for bureaucrats, it's purely Kafkaesque sometimes :)
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06:09.45qrngThat's why I love Denmark. :-D
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11:39.10peperThe amount of spam on the students list is ridiculous this year, I have almost missed the "New student info" mail. I think you should create a student-announce m/l and cross post important stuff there
11:40.23peperhmm, or i can just filter messages from @google.com, that should work as well
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11:43.38kaipeper: it's ridiculous every year
11:44.11ChainsawPeople get annoyed with the mentors list. I can only imagine what the students list is like.
11:44.25topfs2peper, just filter anything that isn't from carols :)
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12:41.34peperkai: hmm, maybe i was just part of the spam in 2007 and didn't notice ;p
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12:59.40kaipeper: probably ;)
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14:59.11Sylnaigeneral question, anyone else had the problem where changing the primary email address of your google account causes melange to have no clue who you are?
14:59.28Sylnaikind of irritating when trying to find the tax forms
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15:07.01Sylnai'You need to be in the user group to read documents in the gsoc_program prefix.' site seems to have lost all my user data, meh
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15:10.10KosmaSylnai: have you tried to change the address back? ;-)
15:10.21SylnaiKosma: would if the old email still existed :P
15:10.38Sylnaiconverted my gmail address from googlemail->gmail
15:10.43Sylnaiafter the silly legal stuff in europe finished
15:11.10kblinhm?
15:11.24kblinit has?
15:11.54Sylnaiwell, it was on slashdot, and I got my old email address back, so it seems that way
15:12.14kblinhehe
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15:14.14kblin"Please note that people with German @googlemail.com addresses will not be able to change their addresses at this time"
15:14.17kblinah
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15:15.53Sylnaiah, might've just been the UK one they resolved
15:16.26kblinlooks like
15:16.51kblinnot that it matters for me, I got my address _before_ the hassles started :)
15:17.19Sylnaiso you've got the weird redirection hack they left in? :P
15:17.36kblinhm?
15:17.47Sylnaithey auto-forward stuff sent to the gmail.com address
15:17.52Sylnaiif you had it before the change
15:18.17schumamlkblin: http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/marke/register/300256973/DE
15:18.32schumaml"SchutzendedatumVED30.04.2010"
15:19.24kblinyeah
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15:20.21kblinSylnai: well, the webmail also _sends_ from gmail.com
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15:20.43Sylnaikblin: yeah mine did that too, I never figured out why they left it in
15:21.15schumamlDid any users get sued at all?
15:21.37kblinschumaml: I don't see any grounds to sue the users
15:21.52schumamlkblin: Mitstörer
15:22.16kblinschumaml: if you've got a contract with a US-based company?
15:23.00Sylnai*sighs*, why are there no contact details on socghop.appspot.com?
15:23.18kblinSylnai: #melange?
15:23.41Sylnaikblin: thought that was just the project they used, and not the people admin-ing the site?
15:24.06schumamlkblin: Mr Giersch claimed that using a @gmail address would infringe on his trademark
15:25.36kblinSylnai: same difference, in this case
15:25.48Sylnaikblin: oh cool, thanks :)
15:25.53kblinschumaml: I wouldn't trust a lawyer that's not my own
15:26.24kblinschumaml: especially as there's clearly a - in the logo he registered
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15:27.46schumamlaw, come on. the fact that it is easy to confuse gmail and g-mail is evident
15:28.17kblinschumaml: so is @t-online.de and @online.de
15:28.25kblinand still those are two different providers
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15:30.07kblinschumaml: though it'd be interesting to prove that you're only use US servers for your mail :)
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15:54.48xzillais it possible for high school (or younger) students to join gsoc ?
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15:56.58schumamlxzilla: what ages does this translate to (for those of us who have no clear idea about student's ages at high schools)?
15:57.28xzilla< 18
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15:57.46schumamlhave you read the faq?
15:57.50xzillais there an age requirement?
15:57.58xzilla:-)
15:58.17xzillaschumaml: read the faq, but wasnt thinking about this scenario at the time
15:58.26xzillaguess i have to go read it again
15:59.03schumamlthe very first question in the eligibility section, actually
16:00.08xzillai guess the second question matters more
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16:00.14xzillayou could be 18 and in high school
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16:00.33xzillabut if your not in some pre-sceondary program, you wouldnt be eligible
16:01.31MostAwesomeDudeTheoretically, you could be 18 and taking part-time IB or AP credits, but I don't think any students have ever been accepted on that premise.
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16:04.26socinfo"next" is (#1) The community bonding period (http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm) has started! Coding will start on May 24., or (#2) For more info on what's coming up after this see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6
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17:46.07BarryCarlyoncarols: I sent my forms in, I used the iPhone app Zosh to do the signature is this acceptable?
17:46.32carolsBarryCarlyon: if its not ill let you know in response to your email
17:46.37BarryCarlyonCoolio
17:46.47BarryCarlyonIt lets me use my iPhone screen to draw the signature.
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17:46.59carolsBarryCarlyon: sounds kinda cool
17:47.19BarryCarlyonIndeed. Quite useful saves a print followed by scan/fax
17:48.29merwokgives carols a cookie
17:48.37carolsmunches the cookie
17:48.39carolsthanks merwok
17:48.47carolsserves some coffee and tea
17:48.59BarryCarlyondrinks all the coffee
17:49.01BarryCarlyonTasty!
17:49.13carolsgoogle coffee is awesome :-)
17:49.22BarryCarlyon:-)
17:51.11BarryCarlyonAnywho time to go to work. See you all later.
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18:11.50mlankhorstnoon
18:12.55carolsnoon mlankhorst
18:14.07mlankhorstcarols: :D
18:14.21mlankhorsthow are ya
18:18.16carolsmlankhorst: im good. glad its friday. how are you?
18:19.30mlankhorstsame
18:19.43carolsthe weekend usually comes just in time :-)
18:19.55gevaertsOr just too late :)
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18:20.34carolstrue :-)
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