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| 06:37.39 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:00.44 | thebolt | hi mlankhorst et al |
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| 08:24.09 | qrng | Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames. |
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| 09:45.36 | kai | MostAwesomeDude: hm? |
| 09:45.56 | kai | qrng: btw, wrong way around |
| 09:46.20 | kai | you wouldn't say "gentlement and ladies" in english either |
| 09:46.54 | kai | unless you do the compact version, I've just never seen that in writing |
| 09:47.32 | MostAwesomeDude | kai: I went all Zen on the ML. |
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| 09:47.50 | MostAwesomeDude | I'm sure somebody's going to notice the high BS/usefulness ratio. |
| 09:50.03 | kai | ah, didn't get that digest yet :) |
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| 16:25.23 | carols | serves cookies and biscuits |
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| 16:27.11 | MatthewWilkes | Why, thank you carols! |
| 16:27.19 | carols | you're quite welcome MatthewWilkes |
| 16:27.20 | MatthewWilkes | How're you? |
| 16:27.23 | carols | happy friday |
| 16:27.29 | andycoder | always appreciates a good cookie. |
| 16:27.32 | carols | im excellent. life is good. |
| 16:27.39 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 16:27.51 | carols | really is one of life's simple wonderful things |
| 16:28.59 | Kosma | stocked up on tea and biscuits today :) |
| 16:29.06 | MatthewWilkes | Tea is at the root of all human greatness. |
| 16:29.32 | carols | MatthewWilkes: have you read Three Cups of Tea? |
| 16:29.57 | aghisla | hi carols! |
| 16:30.02 | carols | hi aghisla! |
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| 16:33.46 | MatthewWilkes | carols: No? |
| 16:35.37 | carols | MatthewWilkes: great book. the subject of the title is that it takes three cups of tea for people to negotiate/come to a decision |
| 16:35.47 | carols | its so....civilized :-) |
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| 16:43.13 | MatthewWilkes | carols: There was an argument at my former workplace once, a project manager was angry that the developers were wasting too much time making tea |
| 16:43.26 | MatthewWilkes | She's a kiwi and didn't really 'get it' |
| 16:43.31 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that sounds like a project manager not worth his/her salt |
| 16:44.04 | MatthewWilkes | The boss tried to explain by saying "Do you what the SAS did when they marched through the iraqi desert? Every 4 hours they stopped and had a cup of tea!" |
| 16:44.22 | MatthewWilkes | PM: "But that's every 4 hours, these guys are making at least 5 a day, usually more" |
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| 16:44.33 | MatthewWilkes | Boss: "Well, that's because the SAS are well hard!" |
| 16:44.40 | MatthewWilkes | carols: No comment ;) |
| 16:44.44 | carols | MatthewWilkes: yeah, PMs like that give the rest of us a bad name |
| 16:45.12 | carols | ponders another cup of tea |
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| 16:45.19 | MatthewWilkes | This was her first job with computers, she came from the oil industry |
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| 16:46.11 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that explains a lot, actually. |
| 16:46.32 | carols | i have a PM credo I'll share with you some time if you care :-) |
| 16:47.05 | carols | one of the rules is "assume they're working on it as fast as they can unless they tell you otherwise. people have pride in their work and try to do their best as a general rule." |
| 16:47.21 | carols | and if tea helps them do that, all the better :-) |
| 16:47.22 | carols | mmm tea |
| 16:47.39 | MatthewWilkes | Share away (dunno if that was an unrelated on) |
| 16:47.55 | MatthewWilkes | Tea is good, but it is cider time now |
| 16:48.18 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i do also have a rule that I add two weeks to any date an engineer gives me. :-) but that's just so i have enough slop in the schedule at all times. |
| 16:48.46 | carols | MatthewWilkes: also, bribes of home-baked food and chocolate are always welcome |
| 16:48.52 | carols | there's more |
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| 16:48.57 | carols | maybe ill make a blog post about it :-) |
| 16:49.01 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I took to instrumenting my own efficiency a while ago. Before I start a ticket I'd estimate how long it takes |
| 16:49.03 | jcreigh | only two weeks? I thought the rule was double the amount and go up a unit. ie, three weeks -> six months. :) |
| 16:49.15 | MatthewWilkes | then I measure how long I really take down to the minute, not taking account of distractions |
| 16:49.35 | MatthewWilkes | That way I can adjust my own estimates with science |
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| 16:50.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that is a really good system. i have to admit to being a little lazy with accounting for my own time sometimes |
| 16:50.24 | carols | jcreigh: yes, just two weeks. i generally work with people who are trying to give me reasonably accurate estimates. ;-) |
| 16:50.24 | MatthewWilkes | I had to make it clear that this information was for my professional development and not available to my employers, though ;) |
| 16:50.33 | carols | MatthewWilkes: a good plan :-) |
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| 16:51.18 | MatthewWilkes | It's amazing how much it varied when there were planning meetings going on too |
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| 16:51.35 | MatthewWilkes | My worst was my estimate being 8% of the time taken |
| 16:51.49 | carols | ugh, meetings. thats another topic. |
| 16:51.52 | MatthewWilkes | as I got stuck in a spec review |
| 16:52.07 | MatthewWilkes | The thing is, they're unavoidable, so you need to take them into account when estimating |
| 16:52.08 | carols | i consider myself allowed 2 hours/week i can schedule an engineer in meetings and no more |
| 16:52.19 | carols | if it takes me more than 2 hours of meetings, i'm doing it wrong |
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| 16:54.23 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I wish. I left my job last August and have been freelance since then. It's so much more pleasant in that regard, |
| 16:54.40 | carols | MatthewWilkes: im sure. i hate meetings. |
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| 16:54.50 | MatthewWilkes | I get to fire customers if they waste my time with useless meetings and refuse to stop |
| 16:55.10 | MatthewWilkes | Like insisting on meetings so I can give them a status update when I'm being blocked by them not doing things |
| 16:55.17 | jcreigh | yeah, best thing about freelancing for me was to be able to find one large project and just crank on it instead of having to deal with 20 little things every day. |
| 16:55.59 | carols | ugh, yeah, i think that is just such a waste |
| 16:56.55 | MatthewWilkes | Plus, I love managing my own time |
| 16:57.07 | MatthewWilkes | On site in Birmingham all next week though |
| 16:57.20 | MatthewWilkes | 4 days of 9-5 away from home, urgh |
| 16:57.33 | jcreigh | lol, some people do that every day. :) |
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| 16:59.05 | MatthewWilkes | jcreigh: They're welcome to it |
| 16:59.26 | MatthewWilkes | I do like being in an office, especially one in a vibrant city, but without control over what I do when it's nowhere near as nice |
| 17:00.04 | MatthewWilkes | Like, if I'm stuck on something and I want to stroll over the park and get an iced coffee I like having to account for that to a PM or watchful client wanting his money's worth |
| 17:00.55 | jcreigh | *nods*, yeah. Non-technical people assume "not typing on keyboard" = "not working" and "typing on keyboard" = "working" |
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| 17:02.04 | MatthewWilkes | ⦠|
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| 18:18.39 | ScottMac | carols: syn |
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| 18:18.45 | carols | ScottMac: ack |
| 18:18.52 | ScottMac | carols: synack |
| 18:19.00 | ScottMac | so is there a way to get a list of all my students emails |
| 18:19.07 | ScottMac | i have 3 out of 6 |
| 18:19.11 | carols | ScottMac: who are you? |
| 18:19.12 | ScottMac | I can't seem to work out how to find the other 3 |
| 18:19.16 | ScottMac | scott macvicar at facebook |
| 18:19.17 | ScottMac | :) |
| 18:19.20 | ScottMac | project admin |
| 18:19.22 | carols | ah, thanks :-) |
| 18:19.24 | carols | PM me? |
| 18:19.27 | Catfish_Man | g'morning folks :) |
| 18:19.33 | carols | g'morning Catfish_Man |
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| 18:22.46 | MatthewWilkes | Evenin' ScottMac |
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| 18:24.54 | ScottMac | MatthewWilkes: hey |
| 18:25.08 | ScottMac | I'm back in the UK soon, going to be in London? |
| 18:28.11 | MatthewWilkes | Depends what you mean by soon |
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