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| 00:12.22 | MostAwesomeDude | You do talk a fair amount. |
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| 06:37.48 | kblin | nice |
| 06:38.01 | kblin | just learnt about bind9 views |
| 06:39.04 | thebolt | hi kblin |
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| 06:39.24 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 06:39.45 | ajuonline | thebolt: u haz contacts in .tw? :P |
| 06:40.07 | kblin | ajuonline: everytime someone does this I die a little |
| 06:40.21 | ajuonline | kblin: lol whys that? |
| 06:41.27 | kblin | I believe in intellectual osmosis, and everytime I read AOLspeak, I can feel getting more stupid |
| 06:41.59 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
| 06:42.08 | thebolt | ajuonline: yea, some, one reason for moving back there is my friends ;) |
| 06:42.24 | thebolt | ajuonline: why? |
| 06:42.28 | ajuonline | thebolt: pm? |
| 06:42.38 | thebolt | sure |
| 06:51.15 | robbyoconnor | kblin: u luv me?! |
| 06:51.18 | robbyoconnor | runs |
| 06:51.25 | robbyoconnor | that was seriously painful to type |
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| 06:51.30 | thebolt | haha |
| 06:51.35 | robbyoconnor | kblin: that;s abuse |
| 06:51.43 | robbyoconnor | ABUSE i say ABUSE |
| 06:51.43 | kblin | robbyoconnor: didn't run fast enough |
| 06:51.44 | ojwb | abuse of English |
| 06:51.48 | MostAwesomeDude | Dude, abuse? |
| 06:51.55 | MostAwesomeDude | Look what you did to that poor semicolon! |
| 06:52.11 | MostAwesomeDude | He didn't deserve that. |
| 06:52.13 | robbyoconnor | MostAwesomeDude: I know |
| 06:52.15 | robbyoconnor | but he did |
| 06:52.19 | robbyoconnor | he said some bad stuff to me |
| 06:52.25 | robbyoconnor | and then he beat my mother |
| 06:52.35 | robbyoconnor | DAMN YOU SEMI-COLON |
| 06:52.38 | robbyoconnor | DAMN YOU! |
| 06:52.47 | kblin | robbyoconnor: you should get your semicolons elsewhere |
| 06:52.54 | kblin | mine are pretty well-behaved |
| 06:53.21 | kblin | the backlashes slam the door sometimes, but what will you do |
| 06:54.02 | robbyoconnor | kblin: I have a hard time finding a good sem-colon |
| 06:54.08 | robbyoconnor | semi-colon even! |
| 06:54.26 | kblin | well, don't get the used ones off ebay |
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| 14:48.03 | Waren | yo |
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| 15:35.39 | tulcod | any tricks to bring the foreign currency exchange fee down? |
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| 15:45.49 | dennda | don't go to atms too often |
| 15:45.57 | dennda | mine charge 7,50 EUR everytime i withdraw money |
| 15:46.09 | dennda | or 2% of the money withdrawn |
| 15:46.21 | dennda | i didn't know that in my first year ;) |
| 15:46.48 | JSund | is it possible to make a wire transfer to your ordinary bank account with the citi prepaid cards? |
| 15:48.34 | Neo-- | JSund, if I recall correctly - it depends on the bank |
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| 15:50.07 | JSund | considering that I have a Swedish bank, I'd guess that's a no |
| 15:50.41 | Kosma | well, if you have an IBAN account number, then maybe yes |
| 15:51.35 | JSund | true |
| 15:51.51 | JSund | and I think that I can fix that |
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| 15:53.29 | Ivanovic | the easiest solution would probably be to use the CC for "normal shopping" |
| 15:53.42 | Ivanovic | like eg when you buy something at amazon or wherever you could use that CC |
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| 15:55.36 | JSund | would be nice if I could transfer the money to my bank account and avoid the 3% exchange rates though |
| 15:56.29 | JSund | might have to pay 1.5% exchange rate to my bank for them to exchange USD->SEK, but that's half as much |
| 15:57.23 | JSund | otherwise I guess it would be nice for when I order things and need to pay in USD, but I don't think I'll be spending $5k on that anytime soon |
| 15:58.56 | JSund | I guess I'll find out when the card gets here and I can login on the citi prepaid site |
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| 16:00.34 | tulcod | JSund: wait, so with wire transfer there's no exchange fee, at least on the citibank side? |
| 16:01.05 | JSund | tulcod: I don't know, but I guess that they wouln't take any exchange fee if I tell them to send the money as USD? |
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| 16:01.30 | tulcod | well, /can/ you? :P |
| 16:03.19 | JSund | I don't know, but I hope to find out when I get the account details so I can log in to the citi prepaid site |
| 16:03.30 | JSund | my bank seems to charge 25 SEK (a bit more than $3 USD) for receiving an international payment in any currency though |
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| 16:05.08 | tulcod | JSund: so 0%+25SEK? that's pretty good |
| 16:05.10 | Ivanovic | yes, there is some fee for currency conversion stuff |
| 16:07.16 | tulcod | holy smokes, my bank charges 5-10E + 5% |
| 16:07.21 | tulcod | i think i'm going with citibank's offer :P |
| 16:07.37 | JSund | tulcod: I hope so - I'll find out when the money gets here I guess |
| 16:07.55 | tulcod | :) |
| 16:08.41 | Ivanovic | at the end of 2008 (when receiving the refund from google for travelling to the mentor summit) i got 990$ which at that time were 737⬠|
| 16:08.51 | Ivanovic | had to pay an exchange fee of 15⬠|
| 16:09.11 | JSund | right, should look up how to do the taxes for this payment too - I think I'll have to note the exchange rates since the taxes will be paid in SEK - so much easier when the workplace does everything for you and you just check that the sum is the correct one each year :) |
| 16:09.28 | Ivanovic | yeah |
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| 16:11.49 | Kosma | hooray, my bank doesn't charge anything for that :) |
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| 16:18.34 | tulcod | Kosma: i want your bank :O |
| 16:23.04 | Kosma | www.mbank.pl ;-) |
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| 16:33.23 | tulcod | so what about income tax and everything? if i've sent a form saying i'm a foreign student, does that mean google has paid zero taxes for my work? |
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| 16:33.40 | Kosma | tulcod: you're responsible for paying the taxes yourself |
| 16:34.16 | tulcod | does that mean google has paid none or google doesn't want to help me? |
| 16:34.24 | Kosma | it means both |
| 16:34.35 | tulcod | okay, that's pretty clear :) |
| 16:34.37 | Kosma | google will not help you because it introduces legal responsibility |
| 16:36.14 | tulcod | i understand, but they're not providing any information about what they're doing either |
| 16:36.34 | tulcod | i mean, they say i'm a private contractor, but it's completely unclear to me what that technically means, both for them and for me |
| 16:37.14 | Kosma | "Please consult with a tax professional if you require assistance in understanding what your local government would require from you." |
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| 16:37.24 | mkarnicki | ;) |
| 16:37.25 | Ivanovic | tulcod: since for your position it is a "foreign company" it does not matter for you anyway |
| 16:37.31 | Ivanovic | (if they pay anything that is) |
| 16:37.49 | Ivanovic | most likely you will have to handle this as "personal income" |
| 16:38.04 | tulcod | Kosma: i'm not an idiot, how is a tax professional supposed to understand this? |
| 16:38.25 | Kosma | tulcod: well, he's called a tax professional for a reason |
| 16:38.32 | tulcod | great |
| 16:38.33 | Kosma | ;-) |
| 16:38.47 | tulcod | Ivanovic: i kind of expected something like that |
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| 16:39.37 | tulcod | so yeah... i guess i'll just complete forms people send to me and hope i won't end up in jail |
| 16:39.45 | Ivanovic | tulcod: what matters for your country (most likely) is what the company does pay the state, since it does not pay anything to "your state" it is (even if they pay something in the US) most likely irrelevant |
| 16:40.21 | Ivanovic | but yeah, local tax laws might be really strange and common sense (that i tried to apply here) might not apply at all |
| 16:41.20 | tulcod | it's kinda strange anyway... i can't think of a legal form for people not to be an employee in my country, but also not be their own company... makes sense? |
| 16:42.36 | tulcod | i mean, you either have a company or you're an employee, and although you can have a one-man company, i think you'll always either have a VAT registration or be an employee |
| 16:43.58 | tulcod | so it might be a US thing, but then again, google is basically saying my work's not happening in the US so i don't have anything to do with the american legal system |
| 16:44.14 | Ivanovic | yes |
| 16:44.20 | tulcod | the more i think about it, the more it looks like what google's doing is illegal :P |
| 16:44.28 | Ivanovic | this way you don't need a working permission for the US |
| 16:45.00 | Kosma | apparently what they're doing is legal in the US tax system |
| 16:45.10 | Ivanovic | or they could not do it |
| 16:45.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 16:49.23 | tulcod | well you won't hear me complaining :P |
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| 19:55.11 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: ping? How did the bangalore gsoc meet go?: |
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| 19:57.19 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, hey |
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| 19:58.01 | ideamonk | Bangalore gsoc meetup was interesting, around 10 people, a few past gsocers, 1 mentor, gsoc 2010 students and some lug members |
| 19:58.31 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: the hackfest? |
| 19:58.39 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, So it went in this order - intro - chitchat on a very wide range of topics - CCD - dinner |
| 19:59.05 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, hackfest was kind of disrupted due to this... |
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| 19:59.23 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: disrupted due to the CCD visit? |
| 19:59.38 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, not much done there, but meeting antileet, sindhu, shashi gowda etc was fun... a lot of chit chat and less code srunching at hackfest |
| 19:59.50 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: missed it :( |
| 20:00.12 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, yeah we kinda got late back to directi office, but then had some powercut issues, so around 12 me manish and antileet came back to my house |
| 20:01.02 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, hey so by 4pm we had fixed our eyes on a crowdsourced version of busroutes.in << you should've come / to brickbat/help us :D |
| 20:01.20 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: busroutes.in *is* crowdsourced :| |
| 20:01.26 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: if you register, you get access to django admin. |
| 20:01.53 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: and the busroutes.in code is already out there (http://github.com/yuvipanda/wtfimb) :) |
| 20:02.00 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, is it ! oh... somehow antileet thought busroutes takes data from bmtc or something, anyways since i didnt explore much |
| 20:02.12 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, Yup I showed that :D |
| 20:02.21 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: yeah, we see we have a lot more work to do on busroutes.in :) |
| 20:03.23 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, plz plz plz add a bangalore section... we wanna save moneh by bus travel |
| 20:03.23 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, so thats makes it a no brainer to have a separate implementation now... |
| 20:03.25 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: plz plz help out then - we have initial data for bangalore (i think) |
| 20:03.35 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, awesomeness |
| 20:03.45 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: lack of time on my part (was sole dev till a week or so back) was only thing holding back busroutes.in |
| 20:03.48 | ideamonk | count me and manish as long time users |
| 20:04.21 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: users we've many - what we need are, ofcourse, contributors |
| 20:05.13 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: I will be more than glad to set up /bangalore on the server if I can have a volunteer to help me maintain it |
| 20:05.58 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, i dunno django... so maintainance = [ django work, content mod ] ? |
| 20:06.59 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: django work would be a very definite plus, but most imp. thing is content mod. |
| 20:07.35 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: planemad himself (the guy who originated busroutes.in) would be the perfect fit for mod on bangalore, but i guess he's a little busy nowadays |
| 20:07.39 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, and for content mod someone who know routes ? I dont travel by bus but manish has good idea... he has routes on his tongue all the tiem |
| 20:07.52 | ideamonk | alright :D |
| 20:08.20 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: also, this is opportunity to learn django, no? :P |
| 20:08.35 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: web developer's arsenal should be varied (I'm looking to learn php sometime) |
| 20:08.46 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, yeah :D |
| 20:09.10 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, you can finish php in 4hrs, and then probably a framework on that in a day and crib a lot afterwards |
| 20:10.13 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: original busroutes.in was php. |
| 20:10.23 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: imo, horrible, horrible php that i maintained for a week before throwing it out |
| 20:10.33 | ideamonk | ah |
| 20:10.39 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: it turned me off php for a loong loong time |
| 20:11.11 | ideamonk | I wrote this bugbase thing for college mini project - its one huge switch case in php that handles things |
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| 20:12.26 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: lol. I've no 'mini-project' yet, but hopefully I'll be turning in something in LISP :) |
| 20:12.40 | YuviPanda | or Haskell. |
| 20:13.11 | ideamonk | Ah.. that would be a nice change |
| 20:14.11 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: :) |
| 20:14.20 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: so, interested in volunteering for busroutes.in/bangalore? |
| 20:14.55 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, hmm yup... but like volunteering itself would take some learning time here... anyways do you have any todo/task list for it |
| 20:15.14 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, so that one can pick small ones and then do more progressively |
| 20:15.15 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: for a start you could perhaps set up a local dev environment... |
| 20:15.21 | YuviPanda | ? |
| 20:15.55 | ideamonk | do you also update the db dumps in the repository ? |
| 20:16.13 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: we've data that can be loaded by django into your db |
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| 20:16.36 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: you'll find an INSTALL file in the repo that should help you get it up |
| 20:16.58 | ideamonk | alright, I can look it up on monday evening / tuesday |
| 20:17.08 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: okay :) |
| 20:17.14 | ideamonk | right now entangled in this crappy js framework called extjs |
| 20:17.14 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: ping me if you run into anything :) |
| 20:17.23 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, sure |
| 20:17.25 | YuviPanda | jQuery ftw ;) |
| 20:17.48 | ideamonk | like they have done some useful things in extjs, but documentation at some points is horrible |
| 20:18.04 | ideamonk | also not to forget the minified js version too being bulky |
| 20:18.21 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: :D enjoy! |
| 20:18.25 | ideamonk | yepp |
| 20:18.27 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: part of your Sahana GSoC/ |
| 20:18.29 | YuviPanda | ? |
| 20:18.32 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, yes |
| 20:18.45 | ideamonk | YuviPanda, this kind of thing really helps - http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/restful/restful.html |
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| 20:21.09 | YuviPanda | ideamonk: cool! |
| 20:21.23 | YuviPanda | okay, Hamster told me It's been an hour since I started "Aimlessly browsing around" |
| 20:21.29 | YuviPanda | goes back to his GSoC |
| 20:21.57 | ideamonk | takes a break into PoP |
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| 23:44.50 | mkarnicki | where was that 'weekly report' template? |
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| 23:45.37 | mkarnicki | I can't find it.. |
| 23:46.46 | Kacper_Rze | mkarnicki: I believe it's up to your org whether you have to write reports and in what form |
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| 23:46.58 | mkarnicki | yep, I just found that :) thanks Kacper |
| 23:47.32 | mkarnicki | Kacper_Rze: congrats on Imagine Cup |
| 23:48.28 | Kacper_Rze | 'failure takes you higher than a success' :) |
| 23:48.37 | Kacper_Rze | thanks anyway:) |
| 23:51.02 | mkarnicki | Kacper_Rze: that may be over the hill, but I don't like imagine cup, because all it's technologies are MS based. and that's sad. limiting imagination, isn't it ;) |
| 23:52.08 | mkarnicki | i'll head and write a weekly report. |
| 23:53.23 | Kacper_Rze | It's not that bad, the only limitation is that you should write code with VS |
| 23:53.55 | Kacper_Rze | good luck :) |
| 23:54.07 | mkarnicki | :) thanks |
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