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| 06:56.18 | dholbach | good morning |
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| 07:40.44 | sanjoyd | !timeline |
| 07:40.44 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 08:42.05 | rrix | And, another thread to add to my ignore filters.. ~_~ |
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| 10:22.50 | qrng | Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames. |
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| 12:20.12 | MatthewWilkes | wtf? Turkey has banned access to google? Srsly? |
| 12:20.40 | ojwb | they've blocked youtube for a while |
| 12:20.54 | ojwb | not heard about them blocking more than that |
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| 12:36.57 | JSund | Translate, Docs and Books too at least |
| 12:37.02 | JSund | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/08/turkey_bans_google_services/ |
| 12:37.43 | vivia | translate?!?!?! |
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| 12:39.39 | JSund | as they note in the article, it might be fallout from banning YouTube |
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| 12:40.29 | vivia | that would make mose sense |
| 12:40.31 | vivia | more* |
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| 15:55.33 | peper | seriously, could you please turn on moderation for everyone on the students list? :) |
| 15:56.26 | ojwb | nobody here could |
| 15:56.56 | ojwb | just filter out anything not from @google.com |
| 15:58.18 | peper | why not? :) |
| 15:58.46 | gevaerts | "moderation" means "someone has to read all of it" |
| 15:59.50 | infinity0 | peper: there's the option to not have it sent to your email |
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| 15:59.57 | infinity0 | and instead you log onto google groups to read it |
| 16:00.10 | peper | well, it's not like there are thousands of new threads every day |
| 16:00.53 | peper | with the first posts not passing moderation there won't be any following spam to moderate |
| 16:01.35 | JSund | but moderation adds a delay to legitimate messages that might inhibit discussions |
| 16:01.39 | Chainsaw | The mentors list isn't as bad as last year :) |
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| 16:02.19 | peper | JSund: what legitimate messages? :) |
| 16:02.44 | JSund | touché |
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| 16:59.16 | carols | serves tea and cookies |
| 17:00.11 | rohitr | Hi carols . How are you today? |
| 17:00.24 | carols | good, thanks rohitr |
| 17:00.26 | carols | how about you? |
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| 17:01.04 | rohitr | nice, except you moderated me. The good thing is Robby got moderated too, so that balances things out :-) |
| 17:01.52 | rohitr | I completely understand your point though, but I wasnt spamming, just replying to a very 'flamy' message :) |
| 17:02.40 | jcreigh | just wants to say that carols has the patience of a saint to deal with all of us. :) |
| 17:02.47 | rohitr | agrees |
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| 17:03.30 | carols | rohitr: i understand. but i have to divvy out moderation fairly |
| 17:04.52 | scorche|sh | carols: i assume that lh warned you about the students list before she left? ;) |
| 17:04.57 | rohitr | carols: Absolutely. I mean you couldn't have done it any other way. |
| 17:05.20 | carols | scorche|sh: oh yeah, and it's not that bad. but everyone needed a bit of a smackdown :-) |
| 17:05.26 | carols | rohitr: thanks for saying so :-) |
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| 17:05.50 | scorche|sh | carols: i can only imagine...i have heard the whining for a number of years now, but havent seen it firsthand myself ;) |
| 17:06.42 | carols | scorche|sh: you're in luck then :-) |
| 17:06.42 | scorche|sh | i thought so =) |
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| 17:10.48 | cdcs | gsoc 2011 project: implement a spam filter for gsoc mailing lists :) |
| 17:11.34 | smtms | the spam filter should be in a form of a social network and based in the cloud, to be in line with the times |
| 17:11.41 | schumaml | would love to see some stats about the most common reasons for adminstrative interventions on the lists ;) |
| 17:11.55 | scorche|sh | cdcs: a spam filter is easy...just filter out everything not @google ;) |
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| 17:13.07 | cdcs | yes i have it enabled :) but it's funny to see flame wars( up to some point...) |
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| 17:13.41 | Gracenotes | and yet another distraction |
| 17:13.57 | summatusmentis | scorche|sh: lh used to use something not @google, iirc |
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| 17:14.59 | cdcs | spam is a inter-continental, inter-race, inter-cultural, inter-age thing |
| 17:16.01 | cdcs | it unite us all :) |
| 17:16.09 | sanjoyd | cdcs, I thought segmentation faults did that. |
| 17:16.36 | scorche|sh | summatusmentis: yeah...it was more a joke |
| 17:16.44 | schumaml | wasn#t there some news item recently about a rather small group of people who is resonsible for 80% of (one sort of?) spam? |
| 17:17.00 | schumaml | s/who is/who are/ |
| 17:17.01 | summatusmentis | scorche|sh: hah, oh, missed that. |
| 17:17.28 | cdcs | some of us don't have seg fault, they work at high level :( |
| 17:18.39 | schumaml | I wonder if there could be a solution to the spam problem if all ethical constraints are dropped |
| 17:20.01 | cdcs | yup there is... just disconnect the cable :) (or the wireless router) |
| 17:20.16 | sanjoyd | You can't fight spam /and/ keep the internet free. |
| 17:20.35 | sanjoyd | Rather, you can't go on the offensive without taking freedom away. |
| 17:21.03 | cdcs | "Internet Patriot Act" |
| 17:21.18 | Catfish_Man | schumaml: locating and nuking spammers or something? |
| 17:21.39 | schumaml | Catfish_Man: I'd prefer more subtle strikes, but yes |
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| 17:24.25 | jcreigh | schumaml: as attractive as the idea is, I doubt it could work. Spammers spam because there is somebody out there buying the product/service. A tiny, tiny percentage, but it's out there. |
| 17:24.53 | jcreigh | anyway, gmail's spam filtering is good enough that I can basically pretend spam doesn't exist. |
| 17:25.26 | schumaml | let's say that there's someone sending them money. buying implies that the buyer actually gets something |
| 17:26.42 | jcreigh | *nods* good point |
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| 17:51.05 | kjbbb | soo is it normal for US students not to have gotten the tracking # or package yet? |
| 17:51.34 | ttuegel | kjbbb: i have neither, so you're not alone |
| 17:51.47 | ttuegel | but i don't know if that's normal |
| 17:52.05 | Chainsaw | kjbbb: Unfortunately the packages are shipping late. |
| 17:52.17 | Chainsaw | kjbbb: Please give it a few more days. |
| 17:52.42 | kjbbb | okay, cool. just wondering. |
| 17:53.25 | rrix | So, I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, but I have to wonder how many people on the students list have never been a part of a mailing list before... it seems like so few know any sort of etiquette... |
| 17:53.55 | rrix | or maybe it is just a vocal minority.. |
| 17:54.00 | Chainsaw | rrix: Mailing lists are new to many people. The whole concept of a mailing list actually. |
| 17:54.16 | Chainsaw | rrix: Not just minor points like top-posting, trimming quotes, etc. |
| 17:54.16 | rrix | Unfortunately... |
| 17:54.47 | Chainsaw | rrix: I would consider it part of the mentor job to prepare your student for this. If you see cases that are especially bad, try to talk to the listed mentor(s). |
| 17:54.47 | rrix | Honestly, I could care less about top posting ona list like this, but the whole "stop spamming about spamming, and just ignore us!" is ridiculous |
| 17:56.33 | Chainsaw | rrix: But yes, talk to the mentor. Don't reply and make the threads from hell longer. That is counter-productive. |
| 17:56.34 | gevaerts | You can't really consider this part of the mentor job. Us mentors don't see this list, so unless the students behave the same on the organisation lists we don't even know about it |
| 17:56.59 | rrix | I haven't replied but once, I can't stand those threads. |
| 17:57.14 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: If one of my students is a dangerous e-mail driver... I would like to know about it. Corrective action can be taken. |
| 17:57.30 | rrix | But I also can't "just ignore" them, because more people than carols have a valuable opinion, it's just impossible to tell whom. :( |
| 17:57.33 | gevaerts | Chainsaw: how will you know if it's true? |
| 17:58.01 | gevaerts | I personally would not feel comfortable in telling a student that he's misbehaving if I haven't seen it happen |
| 17:58.10 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: A basic "this is a mailing list, anything you type goes out to thousands of people. here is a quick list of do's & don'ts so you will fit in" would not go out of place. |
| 17:58.16 | thebolt | Evening |
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| 17:58.31 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: E-mail headers; just have them forward as an attachment. |
| 17:58.38 | gevaerts | Chainsaw: yes, if you're on the mailing list as well. |
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| 17:58.55 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: I can forward you messages as an attachment, whether you are on that list or not. The complainant can do that work. |
| 17:59.02 | gevaerts | I *don't* think you can expect people to police a mailing list they're not subscribed to, which is basically what you're asking |
| 17:59.29 | gevaerts | And the mails on that particular list are somewhat explicitely supposed to *not* go to mentors |
| 17:59.46 | rrix | Yeah, that's the problem, that list is supposed to not have mentor interaction |
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| 17:59.49 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: You can't police it, and that is not what I just said. I said that mentors would do well to explain basic mailing list manners to their students as part of the "hey, you are accepted!" talk. |
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| 18:00.29 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: And that if you see a student misbehaving, that the mentor should be your first point of contact. |
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| 18:01.09 | gevaerts | As I see it, the student mailing list is the one place where mentoring organisations should stay out |
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| 18:01.51 | Chainsaw | gevaerts: As a mentor, I feel responsible for the conduct of my students. If they are making a nuisance somewhere, I would want to be notified. |
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| 18:05.01 | gevaerts | As a mentor I feel responsible for interaction between my students and my organisation. I do *not* feel responsible for their behaviour if it's not related to their project. I also don't follow them around to see if they don't park their cars illegally. |
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| 18:05.42 | gevaerts | If someone forwards me an email one of my students sent on the gsoc students mailing list, I would consider that to be a serious breach of trust |
| 18:06.09 | MatthewWilkes | ooh, this sounds interesting |
| 18:07.19 | gevaerts | is only mentoring one student, so read all those plurals as singulars :) |
| 18:07.24 | Chainsaw | MatthewWilkes: It does. Would you not want to know if your student misbehaves? |
| 18:08.10 | MatthewWilkes | If my student was being a dick on the students list I'd expect them to be called out on it by their fellow students and made to feel a complete idiot |
| 18:08.31 | MatthewWilkes | I would not expect, as a mentor, so be forwarded mails from a list that I am not allowed onto |
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| 18:09.05 | MatthewWilkes | In fact, if I was, I'd likely return them to the sender and tell them to take care of it without involving me |
| 18:09.12 | Chainsaw | MatthewWilkes: If the charter is that strict; yes. |
| 18:09.12 | MatthewWilkes | If it's really serious I'd expect them to be banned from the student list by carol |
| 18:09.31 | MatthewWilkes | Now, if it's on a Plone project mailing list, sure, I'd want to know and would have words |
| 18:09.33 | Chainsaw | MatthewWilkes: in that case gevaerts is most definitely right. |
| 18:10.07 | thebolt | i'm with MatthewWilkes on this.. when I mentored (i'm former mentor, not this year) i expect to help my students with their project and some with the interaction within our community.. but i am not going to babysit a student.. how they behave in public is their problem (mostly) not mine |
| 18:10.18 | gevaerts | As far as I understand it, the student ML is where students get to vent about mentors |
| 18:10.27 | thebolt | they're grownups for fk sake.. :P |
| 18:10.49 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Right, although as an org-admin I'd prefer they vent to me so I can fix it ;) |
| 18:11.05 | gevaerts | :) |
| 18:11.25 | gevaerts | sneakily avoided being an org-admin, so he's safe there ;) |
| 18:11.38 | kblin | evening folks |
| 18:11.42 | pascalj | thebolt: did you read the list? the threads read like youtube comments. seriously. not like discussions of grown-ups |
| 18:11.42 | MatthewWilkes | moin kblin |
| 18:12.06 | gevaerts | pascalj: even more reason for me to not want to have anything to do with it! |
| 18:12.07 | kblin | speaking of checking up on students, where's my progress report, dammit? |
| 18:12.14 | MatthewWilkes | pascalj: Did you mail them telling them that they're behaving very poorly? |
| 18:12.25 | thebolt | pascalj: i am/have been mentor/org-admin.. I am not on the student mailinglist |
| 18:12.36 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 18:12.46 | kblin | I'm technically on the student's mailing list, being an alumni |
| 18:12.47 | rrix | MatthewWilkes: I have in the past, the response is almost exclusively "IF YOU DONT LIKE IT JUST IGNORE IT !!!111!eleven!!" |
| 18:12.48 | pascalj | MatthewWilkes: no, I just cat everything to /dev/null that doesn't come from carol. but i guess other students might do so |
| 18:12.54 | kblin | but I don't read it |
| 18:12.56 | kimelto | morning! |
| 18:13.06 | kblin | hey MatthewWilkes, thebolt |
| 18:13.06 | schumaml | when I started at university, there was a "you're using the @our_university mail addresses, behave on the net or else" lecture |
| 18:13.33 | gevaerts | sure, but we don't give @our_organisation email addresses in my project :) |
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| 18:14.14 | schumaml | we don't, either |
| 18:14.26 | kblin | right, if people want to misbehave on the net, they should do it as CmdrMcCool1337@hotmail.com like everybody else |
| 18:14.33 | schumaml | mostly because people started to read anything from an @our_org as an official statement |
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| 18:16.34 | schumaml | the university admin were quite efficient, actually |
| 18:16.53 | schumaml | if some troll complained about you, they ignored it |
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| 18:17.19 | kblin | hey mordante |
| 18:17.20 | schumaml | if a sane person did, you could expect to get a "account suspended, see us at the admin office" notice on next login |
| 18:17.51 | mordante | hi kblin |
| 18:17.55 | thebolt | kblin: how's it going? getting any wold-changing discoveries made? ;) |
| 18:17.57 | kblin | mordante: does wesnoth ship an SDL.dll on the windows download? |
| 18:19.27 | kblin | thebolt: well, not sure on world-changing, but certainly working on really cool software |
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| 18:19.55 | thebolt | kblin: nice :) |
| 18:20.08 | mordante | kblin, just asked our Windows packager and we do |
| 18:20.33 | kblin | mordante: ok, that that wine user probably screwed up his installation, thanks :) |
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| 18:20.55 | mordante | kblin, you're welcome |
| 18:20.56 | kblin | I don't get why he didn't use the native version in any case, but some people just like pain |
| 18:21.34 | schumaml | careful, some people don't know about windows version of popular "linux apps" |
| 18:21.50 | schumaml | e.g. imagemagick or graphicsmagick |
| 18:22.25 | kblin | thebolt: had a pretty productive gettogether with some guy working on a similar project, and we decided to join forces to make two cool projects into one really awesome project :) |
| 18:22.41 | kblin | schumaml: that's because windows doesn't come with a package manager |
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| 18:23.05 | thebolt | kblin: cool :) too bad I cannot say the same about my project right now.. no progress in a little while |
| 18:23.18 | kblin | my first stop when I want to install anything is "aptitude search" |
| 18:23.42 | schumaml | oh yes, and because bing hides all results about free software |
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| 18:24.07 | kblin | bing? |
| 18:24.26 | schumaml | *the* search engine |
| 18:24.29 | kblin | oh, that msn v2 thing |
| 18:24.33 | Chainsaw | I have a reflex to answer bong! to that. |
| 18:24.43 | gevaerts | gnib! |
| 18:24.54 | Landon | gnab! |
| 18:25.02 | kblin | well, I'm all for choice.. |
| 18:25.17 | kblin | so now you can google stuff on yahoo, bing or google |
| 18:25.18 | kblin | ;) |
| 18:25.25 | schumaml | but fear not, linux users are moving to the "what's a package manager?" stage, too |
| 18:26.15 | kblin | yeah. I'll just switch to bsd at that point |
| 18:26.27 | kblin | or a mac, because they're all DRMed up and shiny |
| 18:26.47 | Landon | kblin: could have been worse than installing it on wine... |
| 18:27.06 | gevaerts | There's nothing like people using wine for software that's developed on linux and needs raw USB and disk access |
| 18:27.07 | Landon | he could have done the windows thing _for linux_ and searched out the site and downloaded a tarball |
| 18:27.38 | Landon | had a coworker that when told to install compiz on ubuntu 8.04ish, went and downloaded the tarball... |
| 18:27.52 | schumaml | Landon: that#s becoming more and more common |
| 18:27.52 | Landon | nevermind the fact that the boss didn't realize it was included by default by then |
| 18:28.19 | schumaml | not necessarily tarballs, but .deb and .rpm for sure |
| 18:28.22 | kblin | gevaerts: so? "sudo wine bork_my_harddrive.exe" to the rescue |
| 18:28.55 | gevaerts | kblin: doesn't work. Windows versions of libusb don't work on linux :) |
| 18:29.09 | kblin | aw |
| 18:29.22 | kblin | we can probably fix that if you have a use case |
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| 18:29.34 | kblin | I bet forwarding the calls to linux libusb works ;) |
| 18:29.41 | gevaerts | :) |
| 18:30.10 | gevaerts | Actually, we added some bits to detect wine via some registry keys, and then an XP user had those too :) |
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| 18:30.45 | schumaml | the usual complaint from bsd users is "your software doesn't compile on my platform" |
| 18:30.45 | kblin | gevaerts: well, bad you. you should file wine bugs, not work around them |
| 18:31.21 | kblin | schumaml: the usual compile I hear starts with "hey you linux nazis..." |
| 18:32.00 | kblin | er complaint |
| 18:32.06 | kblin | nice thinko there |
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| 18:33.40 | gevaerts | kblin: we really don't feel like supporting wine if we already have trouble testing all native use cases |
| 18:34.08 | kblin | fair enough |
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| 18:34.59 | gevaerts | challenges kblin to use wine to install rockbox on any player he likes |
| 18:35.26 | kblin | I probably don't have hardware to install rockbox on |
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| 18:38.55 | schumaml | rockbox is one of the projects which made me "wow" about free software |
| 18:39.12 | schumaml | soory, Free |
| 18:40.33 | schumaml | I was tempted to get a supported player |
| 18:40.49 | schumaml | but currently my phone suits all of my mp3 needs |
| 18:41.35 | ThibG | huh, I had a rockbox-"supported" player once |
| 18:41.44 | gevaerts | schumaml: this is what *we* do with our players: http://picasaweb.google.be/peturbox/RockboxDevcon2010#5479614512667216258 :) |
| 18:41.58 | ThibG | but its screen is dead :/ |
| 18:42.14 | ThibG | (tactile device, with only a few buttons /o\) |
| 18:42.22 | Landon | gevaerts: one of my problems with rockbox was it seemed all the hardware it supported was no longer sold :\ |
| 18:42.40 | Landon | (ok, only problem...) |
| 18:43.26 | Landon | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TAJc-_sZ1Cw/TAuAa3grN1I/AAAAAAAAGRs/LHLweTr6ti8/s576/IMG_0633.JPG looks like it has other bugs too, though |
| 18:43.31 | gevaerts | Landon: yes, that's one of the big problems. We can't really do much about it unfortunately |
| 18:44.11 | gevaerts | and yes, that's George, scorche|sh's best friend |
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| 18:44.19 | schumaml | that's part of the "no free software in the riaa domains" master plan |
| 18:44.39 | ThibG | anybody motivated to begin a port for the COWON S9? :P |
| 18:45.44 | gevaerts | It's mostly part of the "no player should remain on the market for more than six months" marketing master plan |
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| 18:45.44 | schumaml | "and all devices should break on the 6months + 1 day" |
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| 18:46.36 | ajuonline | o haiii caden |
| 18:46.46 | ajuonline | bets kblin just died a little more, |
| 18:51.32 | bkgood | gah, how did some of these people on the ml even _get_ in gsoc, don't you have to display at least some semblance of maturity and communication skills? I mean, this is basically a job after all |
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| 18:52.53 | summatusmentis | there's a difference between people's "professional" face, and the way they normally act |
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| 18:54.29 | ihalip | bkgood: that's the wonder of life. |
| 18:54.29 | bkgood | given that we're all 18+ I wouldn't have guessed the discrepancy is nearly as vast as it appears to be |
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| 18:55.49 | rohitr | come on people, some respect for everyone on the mailing list please. They can read what you are writing too, |
| 18:56.42 | bkgood | irc messages are much more easily ignored than torrential amounts of email about nothing of consequence :) |
| 18:56.47 | ihalip | rohitr: an eye for an eye. |
| 18:57.01 | bkgood | in fact my client doesn't even notify me unless a message contains bkgood |
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| 18:57.40 | ihalip | is man enough not to need mailing list filters |
| 18:57.47 | ihalip | i just set a daily digest :D |
| 18:58.03 | scorche|sh | <3 George |
| 18:58.07 | rohitr | ihalip: an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind ( is this true if n is even or in both the cases) |
| 18:58.11 | Landon | kickc sasl in the butt |
| 18:58.36 | ihalip | rohitr: nicely put, i'll remember that :P |
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| 18:59.18 | rohitr | ihalip: somebody else said it. I think it was Gandhi. |
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| 18:59.22 | bkgood | an eye for an eye only makes one blind if one screws up twice, or for some other reason only starts with one functioning eye |
| 18:59.28 | jcreigh | rohitr: even number of people? Because there's *usually* an even number of eyes. :) |
| 19:00.05 | jcreigh | an eye for an needlessly reduces the capacity for depth perception...doesn't scan quite as well, does it? |
| 19:00.10 | rohitr | jcreigh: I was thinking about that too. But it depends on how you frame the problem. |
| 19:00.47 | rohitr | jcreigh: loads of pirates would disagree with you on that ;) |
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| 19:02.19 | rohitr | jcreigh, bkgood : It depends on the problem framing. for example, what if a blind man takes out the eye of a normal man? The information provided in the problem is incomplete. |
| 19:02.43 | Chainsaw | rohitr: The eye-patch is a night-vision aid. |
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| 19:03.03 | bkgood | rohitr: if a blind man takes the eye of one who can see, the one who could see should've been paying a bit more attention |
| 19:03.12 | ajuonline | bkgood: i thought smarter people didnt even rant and knew how to ignore ;) |
| 19:03.44 | rohitr | bkgood: lol, true. |
| 19:03.51 | ajuonline | ohaai summatusmentis ! |
| 19:04.04 | bkgood | ajuonline: meh us smarter people spent the first half the day doing vector calculus and analysis and have put up with quite enough for one day :p |
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| 19:04.53 | ajuonline | bkgood: but then in the end, noone gives a rat's ass to what you did :P |
| 19:04.59 | summatusmentis | hi ajay |
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| 19:05.52 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: how's the new life treating you? I heard you got all A's? |
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| 19:06.38 | bkgood | ajuonline: in a world of 6.6 billion people and counting, I didn't expect to be given a rat's ass outside of a very small circle to begin with |
| 19:06.44 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I did indeed. Life is going well |
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| 19:07.25 | bkgood | and if the ml has taught me anything, I have no need for all of the 1026 people in gsoc to be in that circle |
| 19:07.51 | ajuonline | bkgood: you should apply that exact same thought when it comes to issues with people mailing on the list ;) |
| 19:08.13 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: good to hear! |
| 19:08.13 | Landon | I'm thoroughly convinced sasl is a pipe dream |
| 19:09.08 | bkgood | ajuonline: as I do, which is why I come to the relatively unobtrusive irc to kvetch about my petty problems rather than sending email to 1000+ people |
| 19:09.26 | summatusmentis | Landon: http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/ this? |
| 19:09.31 | Landon | yes |
| 19:09.44 | Landon | been trying for the past day to set up svn to auth with pam |
| 19:10.11 | ajuonline | bkgood: but we are one of the peeps from that list ;) "I have no need for all of the 1026 people in gsoc to be in that circle" |
| 19:10.14 | Landon | I think.... I might set up an LDAP server ... as an easier option |
| 19:10.16 | Landon | *shudder* |
| 19:10.24 | ajuonline | Landon: ! |
| 19:10.25 | Landon | going to see what hardware we have and then set up a new box |
| 19:10.29 | Landon | as a test pen |
| 19:10.40 | Landon | at least it's going to be easy to burn a lot of hours for work this summer |
| 19:11.24 | ajuonline | Landon: what have you done to yourself? :P |
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| 19:13.12 | Landon | ajuonline: I don't know :( |
| 19:13.15 | Landon | off to ransack the office |
| 19:13.16 | Landon | brb |
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| 21:46.54 | mt | Hi all |
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| 21:51.57 | mt | really hopes the flame fests on the list stop for good :) |
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| 21:52.06 | mt | +would |
| 21:53.56 | mkarnicki | I think last e-mail from Carol nailed it. Hopefully the problem's gone. |
| 21:53.58 | schumaml | I'd really be embarassed if one of the students in our project would participate on one of them |
| 21:54.06 | mkarnicki | goes back to preparing for UML test ;d |
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| 22:35.44 | Nightrose | wonders what the flame fest was about |
| 22:35.55 | Nightrose | and if one of her students was in it ;-) |
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