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| 05:17.08 | qrng | Bonjour, monsieurs et mesdames. |
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| 05:58.45 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 06:54.21 | kai | grumbles about SLES |
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| 09:17.27 | comodo | dholbach: morning |
| 09:17.44 | comodo | err... well... almost lunchtime now I guess |
| 09:17.50 | comodo | but still |
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| 09:36.06 | dholbach | hi comodo |
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| 10:08.07 | Hunger- | hi |
| 10:09.08 | Hunger- | anyone have a copy of 2006 gsoc openbsd/xen port files? |
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| 10:10.35 | Hunger- | found here: http://anil.recoil.org/2006/08/21/openbsd-xen-boots-multi-user.html |
| 10:11.03 | Hunger- | but the Mercurial repository (hg.recoil.org) is not available |
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| 12:41.17 | akshayb | anyone in gsoc from ireland? |
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| 12:49.42 | kai | !anyone |
| 12:49.43 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 |
| 12:49.52 | kai | hm, wrong one :) |
| 12:50.30 | Beket | so, are there any lucky students from europe to have received tracking number and/or package? :D |
| 12:50.32 | Beket | ducks |
| 12:51.04 | kai | I didn't, but I'm a phd student, not sure if that counts as lucky.. |
| 12:51.11 | Beket | hah |
| 12:51.18 | dnk-88 | Beket: yes |
| 12:51.18 | kai | it probably doesn't help that I'm a mentor, either ;) |
| 12:51.42 | Beket | kai, how did you manage to put yourself on suck an incomfortable position ? :D |
| 12:51.46 | smtms | Beket, package arrived today |
| 12:51.50 | Beket | dnk-88, where are you from, if I may ask ? |
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| 12:52.15 | akshayb | anyone working for asterisk in gsoc 2010? |
| 12:52.16 | Beket | Thanks smtms ! Did you receive any number or just the package landed in front of your door ? |
| 12:52.47 | Beket | such* |
| 12:53.19 | dnk-88 | Beket: Belarus, but I have only received tracking number |
| 12:53.25 | smtms | Beket, I received the tracking number e-mail last Friday |
| 12:53.47 | Beket | Excellent, thank you all people |
| 12:59.06 | comodo | Beket: out of curiousity, did you receive yours yet? |
| 12:59.20 | baer | well today is really "on or around the 7th"... |
| 12:59.30 | Beket | comodo, nop, not even a tracking number (greece/thessaloniki) |
| 12:59.33 | krkhan | carols: i haven't received either the package nor the tracking number. can you check? |
| 12:59.39 | comodo | baer: hehe. true. very true |
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| 13:00.09 | comodo | Beket: I'm in Sweden, and I've received neither package nor tracking number. Not too worried, though |
| 13:00.11 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 13:00.33 | comodo | If I still haven't heard anything by the end of next week I may bother someone about it |
| 13:03.12 | in3xes | akshayb: why so desparate? |
| 13:03.52 | Beket | comodo, cool. Thanks for sharing :) |
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| 13:07.16 | baer | Beket: nothing here either (germany) |
| 13:07.38 | Beket | k, so the distribution is more or less random |
| 13:09.08 | baer | my last name start with u, maybe they are sending them out alphabetical |
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| 13:13.34 | pauloricardomg | Beket, I'm from Spain, haven't received mine yet |
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| 13:21.41 | baer | but nice to know that there is a tracking number even if some people didn't get one |
| 13:22.10 | baer | that basically means that i get my card more on or around the 21 and not the 7... ;) |
| 13:27.13 | dennda | Even more delay? |
| 13:27.18 | dennda | :S |
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| 13:27.42 | dennda | I didn't even get a tracking number |
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| 13:33.46 | kai | hey thebolt |
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| 13:35.03 | comodo | baer: my last name starts with an a, so I should have gotten mine if they sent them alphabetically |
| 13:35.06 | comodo | :) |
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| 13:36.05 | thebolt | kai: what's up? |
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| 13:37.17 | kai | I've realized I'm a lousy programmer :) |
| 13:37.58 | thebolt | oh? |
| 13:39.11 | kai | I'm currently trying to create a program that will scan over a DNA sequence and do some primitive prediction of possible genes |
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| 13:40.18 | MatthewWilkes | while True: yield random.choice(('g','a','t','c')) ? |
| 13:40.28 | Beket | based on what ? start/endi sequences ? |
| 13:40.39 | Beket | TATA box & stuff? |
| 13:40.41 | MatthewWilkes | That, children, is what we call a 'naïve algorithm' ;) |
| 13:40.47 | kai | nah, simpler than that |
| 13:41.57 | kai | in the high-GC organisms I work with, a gene will have a higher count of G and C at the third position of the codon |
| 13:41.58 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :) |
| 13:42.46 | kai | in the high-GC organisms I work with, a gene will have a higher count of G and C at the third position of the codons |
| 13:42.51 | thebolt | kai: and wherein lies your lousy programming? ;) |
| 13:42.56 | kai | er |
| 13:43.16 | kai | anyway, my current approach is O(too high) |
| 13:43.20 | thebolt | hehe ok |
| 13:43.46 | Beket | first make it work, then make it O(n) :) |
| 13:43.55 | thebolt | remembers last years NWERC.. a few of the problems needed O(n) algos or better, otherwise you would fail :/ |
| 13:44.24 | kai | Beket: if it takes more than a couple of minutes, it's not worth doing this at all |
| 13:44.46 | Beket | how big sequences are you mining by the way ? |
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| 13:45.08 | kai | <10Mb |
| 13:45.21 | kai | where b is bases, not bits |
| 13:45.59 | kai | ^^^ source of many fun confusions when computer scientists talk to biologists |
| 13:46.12 | thebolt | hehe |
| 13:46.22 | aghisla | lol |
| 13:47.13 | kai | anyway, my naïve idea was to go over the genome with a sliding window, and check the GC content of the third base for all three possible reading frames |
| 13:47.18 | MatthewWilkes | What's the base-4 version of a bit? qit? quit? |
| 13:47.52 | Beket | qbit ? |
| 13:48.25 | MatthewWilkes | no, that's used by quantum |
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| 13:48.52 | comodo | MatthewWilkes: quat? |
| 13:48.53 | MatthewWilkes | quantum bits are called Qubits or Qbits, normals are bits or Cbits |
| 13:51.29 | kai | but I'm wasting a lot of time merging the reading frames and then comparing which respective frame produces the best prediction |
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| 13:55.47 | kai | I'm O(n^2) on top of the string searches, and the constants are pretty large. while this is harmless in theory, it hurts you in real life :) |
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| 13:56.32 | rohitr | !logs |
| 13:56.32 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 13:58.19 | rohitr | I am not really clear up on the mid term evaluation thing. Some heads up would be nice. What exactly does it involve? |
| 13:58.37 | shreyas | !next |
| 13:58.38 | socinfo | "next" is July 12th, mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations - see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 for the timeline |
| 13:59.03 | comodo | rohitr: you should probably talk to your mentor about that |
| 13:59.16 | comodo | he/she will either know or have to find out anyway |
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| 14:00.10 | rohitr | of course, I will do that but I thought people who would have had evaluations last year could share their experiences. |
| 14:00.21 | rohitr | and I am supposed to evaluate my mentor too? |
| 14:00.28 | Beket | rohitr, yes, it goes both ways |
| 14:00.40 | Beket | basically you submit a form |
| 14:00.41 | ojwb | it's an online form |
| 14:00.43 | Beket | filli + submit |
| 14:02.29 | rohitr | so nothing too descriptive? yes or no type questions? |
| 14:03.21 | Beket | it may have some text box to write a couple of lines, but generally is like multiple choice exams |
| 14:04.20 | rohitr | thanks Beket, ojwb |
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| 14:04.37 | Beket | n |
| 14:04.38 | Beket | p |
| 14:05.15 | ojwb | there may be a version online somewhere |
| 14:05.28 | ojwb | or perhaps there was just a preview available to mentors |
| 14:06.03 | in3xes | I am still poor :-| |
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| 14:14.43 | rohitr | in3xes: hang in there. :-) |
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| 14:32.47 | aghisla | kai: for the gene recognition problem, what is the solution used by the organism itself? |
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| 14:33.57 | kai | aghisla: more complex |
| 14:34.06 | aghisla | i feared that |
| 14:35.10 | kai | aghisla: basically, a promotor protein will bind to the DNA, which will facilitate the binding of a transcription protein to a specific sequence upstream of the gene.... that's pretty basic genetics, but I don't need as exact |
| 14:35.41 | kai | I can manually use the GC content of the third base in the triplet within a couple of minutes |
| 14:36.06 | aghisla | got it. |
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| 14:39.13 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Feel free to refuse to answer our basic genetics questions, but I've never understood part of DNA sequencing. If you split a strand and then read out the bases in order you'd get, say "GAT" from one strand and "ATC" from the other half, surely? How do you decide which is the canonical? |
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| 14:47.36 | kai | MatthewWilkes: well, the chemical structure gives you a direction, the sugar-linkage is very specific |
| 14:49.30 | kai | the direction of "reading" DNA/RNA is always 5'->3' |
| 14:50.03 | kai | where 5' and 3' denote the attachment points on the ribose |
| 14:50.17 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Yeah, I know, hence GAT and ATC, not GAT and GTA |
| 14:50.33 | MatthewWilkes | but you still get a reversed complementary string, surely? |
| 14:50.43 | kai | ah, right, yeah |
| 14:50.59 | MatthewWilkes | so, how do you reliably pick a canonical one? |
| 14:51.00 | kai | you just pick one and decide that this is your forward strand :) |
| 14:51.26 | MatthewWilkes | Right, and then the next person to work on it has to potentially run a transform on your results? |
| 14:51.35 | MatthewWilkes | depending on if they picked the same one |
| 14:51.57 | kai | I guess so.. I'd have to ask someone more involved in the actual sequencing :) |
| 14:52.21 | kai | the moment a sequence reaches me, it's already a string :) |
| 14:52.33 | kai | but actually both strands will have genes |
| 14:53.05 | kai | so you can basically always annotate one strand with genes going both directions, and the "reverse" direction is actually using the complement |
| 14:53.15 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Ok, this is just something that's bugged me for a while |
| 14:53.29 | kai | so what I _can |
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| 14:53.37 | MatthewWilkes | wetware is interesting |
| 14:54.15 | kai | _ tell you is that picking one strand and annotating "forward" and "reverse" genes on it is what's done usually |
| 14:54.40 | kai | I also know some genomes where there's more genes on the reverse strand |
| 14:55.19 | kai | but I think basically the first person to publish the genome sequence gets to pick one strand |
| 14:55.29 | MatthewWilkes | makes sense |
| 14:55.57 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 14:56.08 | kai | while sequencing, you need to align your reads in both directions for sure |
| 14:56.16 | aghisla | i like kimelto's greeting in my late afternoon .) |
| 14:56.22 | kai | that makes assembly so much fun |
| 14:56.32 | kai | aghisla: that's probably UGT |
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| 17:04.00 | mlankhorst | carols :D |
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| 17:23.09 | carols_ | hey mlankhorst :-) |
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| 17:29.37 | ajuonline | hola carols_ , i see today you have an extra underscore? |
| 17:29.52 | ajuonline | =] |
| 17:29.54 | carols_ | ajuonline: I do. I left my machine in the other office logged in :-) |
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| 17:30.39 | ajuonline | carols_: how have you been? |
| 17:30.49 | carols_ | ajuonline: good, thanks. how about you? |
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| 17:31.39 | ajuonline | carols_: awesome. after a busy day, i just sat down with a tub of icecream :P |
| 17:31.47 | carols_ | ajuonline: sounds wonderful :-) |
| 17:31.48 | ajuonline | you want some? |
| 17:32.07 | ajuonline | hands over some icecream to carols_ |
| 17:32.16 | carols_ | munches ice cream |
| 17:32.18 | carols_ | nummy |
| 17:32.20 | carols_ | thanks ajuonline |
| 17:32.22 | Catfish_Man | ajuonline: can I have some more sleep? |
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| 17:32.25 | Catfish_Man | instead |
| 17:32.54 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: i hear eating icecream before sleep makes you sleep nicely.. |
| 17:33.12 | Catfish_Man | heh |
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| 17:33.59 | ajuonline | Catfish_Man: maybe if you start being nice to the fish, they will send you good vibes and you can sleep :D |
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| 18:52.43 | kblin | Chainsaw: hey there :) |
| 18:52.50 | Chainsaw | kblin: ltns :) |
| 18:53.02 | kblin | Chainsaw: looks like my CPU issue is a hardware problem |
| 18:53.26 | Chainsaw | kblin: Ah, alright. Mainboard or CPU? |
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| 18:53.45 | Chainsaw | kblin: Or is it a simple "DOA, new box ktnxbye" situation? |
| 18:55.02 | kblin | Chainsaw: well, I think they'll try replacing the CPU first |
| 18:55.12 | kblin | haven't seen a reply from the company yet |
| 18:55.23 | Chainsaw | kblin: If it's that new, I'd shout "DOA" a little louder. |
| 18:55.44 | Chainsaw | kblin: Less hassle for you if they have others in stock. Not your fault that their QA leaves to be desired. |
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| 18:56.08 | kblin | but I already put the inventory sticker on it :) |
| 18:56.22 | Chainsaw | Those don't come off? :) |
| 18:56.32 | kblin | Chainsaw: but actually I think it's their choice |
| 18:56.52 | kblin | we paid for 5 years of on-site next business day support, so they better fix it tomorrow :) |
| 18:57.15 | Chainsaw | Ah yes, that sweetens the deal a little. |
| 18:57.17 | kblin | I don't particularyly care how they do it, as long as it works :) |
| 18:57.25 | gevaerts | kblin: but the fix will take 5 years |
| 18:57.53 | kblin | gevaerts: the university has a full faculty of lawyers :) |
| 18:58.45 | kblin | Chainsaw: it's the only logical choice. you only get funding for a machine like that once, so you better make sure to take the longest and best warranty you can get |
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| 18:59.24 | Chainsaw | kblin: Ah, quite. Well I'm glad there's a fault admitted at least. |
| 18:59.51 | gevaerts | kblin: lawyers may sound good, but faculty implies that they'll have to fight each other first :) |
| 19:00.33 | mlankhorst | :x |
| 19:00.51 | mlankhorst | how lovely the faculty works |
| 19:01.05 | mlankhorst | or, over here, not at all :x |
| 19:01.23 | Chainsaw | Back later. |
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| 19:09.11 | vivia | !next |
| 19:09.12 | socinfo | "next" is July 12th, mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations - see http://bit.ly/c3NYw6 for the timeline |
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| 19:14.51 | pauloricardomg | yeah |
| 19:15.00 | pauloricardomg | just got my tracking number \o/ |
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| 19:16.41 | Beket | envy |
| 19:16.43 | Beket | :) |
| 19:17.37 | Beket | what's the ETA ? |
| 19:18.25 | summatusmentis | as basque nationlist group in northern spain |
| 19:18.28 | summatusmentis | a* |
| 19:18.42 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 19:18.48 | Beket | heh |
| 19:18.49 | baer | got mine too |
| 19:19.12 | baer | Beket: Estimated delivery Jun 16, 2010 by 6:00 PM |
| 19:19.42 | dennda | yay got mine as we speak |
| 19:19.51 | Beket | You people are killing me :) |
| 19:21.05 | robbyoconnor | Beket: shouldn't you be coding? |
| 19:21.20 | robbyoconnor | it's not about the god damn welcome package -- it's about the t-shirt. |
| 19:21.24 | robbyoconnor | go code. :) |
| 19:21.40 | Beket | robbyoconnor, I'm having a break :) |
| 19:21.45 | robbyoconnor | code more. |
| 19:21.50 | vivia | today i was getting all excited every single time the doorbell rang |
| 19:22.02 | Beket | vivia, I got the same feeling with Inbox(1) |
| 19:22.16 | vivia | i even got delivery noodles by some unknown person who decided i might like noodles and not bother ordering them |
| 19:22.24 | vivia | but no FedEx |
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| 19:23.28 | robbyoconnor | ... |
| 19:23.56 | robbyoconnor | I swear GSoC students are the most interesting sociological concept on earth -- the way you guys behave on the list and here :) |
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| 19:24.19 | vivia | robbyoconnor: you included, of course |
| 19:24.34 | schumaml | robbyoconnor: behave as in 'bipolar'? |
| 19:24.36 | robbyoconnor | vivia: really? I haven't even *SEEN* my welcome package.. I'm not even home. |
| 19:24.37 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 19:24.55 | robbyoconnor | I'm not gonna get into it |
| 19:25.02 | robbyoconnor | I got shit to do -- you should be working too. |
| 19:25.12 | vivia | robbyoconnor: ahhhh lucky you. :) you still got some money to survive :) |
| 19:25.19 | vivia | btw how many hours do you work per day? |
| 19:25.40 | robbyoconnor | well, i'm visiting family so it's been sketchy |
| 19:25.55 | robbyoconnor | last summer i put in 80+ hrs easy |
| 19:26.02 | Beket | per week? |
| 19:26.06 | vivia | wait, one day has 24h |
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| 19:26.35 | robbyoconnor | vivia: think about this logically |
| 19:26.40 | robbyoconnor | if i say 80+ hrs |
| 19:26.45 | robbyoconnor | certainly i don't mean "per day" |
| 19:26.54 | robbyoconnor | now do some basic math ;) |
| 19:26.58 | gevaerts | ah, per month |
| 19:27.02 | vivia | my next gsoc will be on time stretching |
| 19:27.04 | Beket | gevaerts, lol |
| 19:27.09 | robbyoconnor | per week |
| 19:27.11 | summatusmentis | I doubt it's per month |
| 19:27.12 | vivia | so i wanted to see if someone else had done it before me |
| 19:27.15 | robbyoconnor | 80 hrs per month is bad! |
| 19:27.23 | summatusmentis | per month would be somehwere between 2 and 3 hours a day |
| 19:27.24 | thiago_home | done what? 80 hours per week? |
| 19:27.28 | robbyoconnor | if i did that i'd fail |
| 19:27.33 | gevaerts | is one of those people who don't believe that anyone does 80+ useful hours per week for longer periods |
| 19:27.33 | schumaml | the last conference I've been to had 'secretly' invited someone to observe the conference from a sociological point of view |
| 19:28.02 | vivia | robbyoconnor: i take it you're allowed to be on irc instead of coding because you're visiting family, then? |
| 19:28.18 | robbyoconnor | I'm working from home :P |
| 19:28.20 | thiago_home | stays on IRC even while at work |
| 19:28.23 | robbyoconnor | who's gonna stop me? |
| 19:28.27 | thiago_home | in fact, we use IRC for work |
| 19:28.40 | robbyoconnor | I actually use IRC for communication |
| 19:28.45 | vivia | i also take it you're in a certain timezone that allows someone who works 80h a week and starts at 8-9am to still be working |
| 19:29.00 | robbyoconnor | vivia: that's quite easy |
| 19:29.07 | robbyoconnor | from the time i wake up |
| 19:29.09 | robbyoconnor | til i go to bed |
| 19:29.10 | robbyoconnor | :) |
| 19:29.21 | robbyoconnor | it's called a screwy sleep pattern :) |
| 19:29.32 | vivia | you cheat~ no work during weekends |
| 19:29.34 | pauloricardomg | oh shit! :( |
| 19:29.56 | pauloricardomg | just found out I forgot to put my apartment number in my address :/ |
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| 19:30.21 | baer | pauloricardomg: just call fedex |
| 19:30.24 | robbyoconnor | vivia: generally 80 hrs IMPLIES that |
| 19:30.30 | baer | pauloricardomg: they can even reroute the package if you need them to |
| 19:30.32 | vivia | that's called cheating |
| 19:30.33 | robbyoconnor | to an extent |
| 19:30.34 | bkgood | robbyoconnor: which project required 80 hours per week? |
| 19:30.38 | pauloricardomg | I will put a sign in my building front door saying that I'm waiting a fedex package and saying my apartment number... hope that works |
| 19:30.40 | robbyoconnor | bkgood: i struggled |
| 19:30.49 | robbyoconnor | I didn't take ONE day off last summer untl like the end of june |
| 19:31.24 | pauloricardomg | baer, really? have u done that? |
| 19:31.58 | robbyoconnor | pauloricardomg: yes |
| 19:32.02 | robbyoconnor | give them the tracking # |
| 19:32.33 | pauloricardomg | that's nice.. is that their general number, or do they have a specific number just for that? |
| 19:32.40 | robbyoconnor | fedex.com ;) |
| 19:34.24 | pauloricardomg | cheers |
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| 19:34.50 | baer | pauloricardomg: work pretty good, they say that they can't guarantee it but always worked for me |
| 19:35.02 | baer | works |
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| 19:35.29 | robbyoconnor | vivia: just relax -- this is my third soc |
| 19:36.08 | vivia | robbyoconnor: i'm relaxed, i think someone who works 80+ hours a week isn't |
| 19:36.27 | vivia | then again, some people's productivity increases with time |
| 19:36.33 | vivia | i have a peak somewhere |
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| 19:37.23 | robbyoconnor | vivia: oh no I haven't been relaxed at all recently |
| 19:37.35 | robbyoconnor | I've been to the point where I ranted on my project's channel |
| 19:37.46 | robbyoconnor | to the point of "I wanna quit *NOW*" |
| 19:37.59 | vivia | yeah i guess most of us get that eventually |
| 19:38.09 | vivia | but that decreases our productivity |
| 19:38.25 | vivia | and they could also use it against us in mid-term (or final) reports if they want to be evil :s |
| 19:39.23 | summatusmentis | I don't think most orgs are actively trying to get rid of their students |
| 19:39.37 | pauloricardomg | robbyoconnor, baer: thanks, will try that ;) |
| 19:39.45 | vivia | me neither. students are helping so orgs want them to be around |
| 19:40.19 | robbyoconnor | vivia: I was 1) new to the language (my enthusiasm(sp?) has gotten me through ok) |
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| 19:40.33 | robbyoconnor | and the fact I showed I had a clear idea of how to do the project |
| 19:40.53 | robbyoconnor | but the framework just pisses me off at every turn |
| 19:41.10 | robbyoconnor | I still have no idea how i'm gonna manage this many to many thing |
| 19:41.15 | vivia | enthusiasm is right (yeah i like it when people spell greek words correctly :D) |
| 19:41.37 | robbyoconnor | vivia: yeh -- I know how to spell for the most part |
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| 19:41.45 | gevaerts | vivia: how can one spell greek words correctly in the wrong alphabet anyway? :) |
| 19:42.09 | vivia | gevaerts: you do have a big point there which makes me frustrated so often :) |
| 19:42.53 | vivia | then again, have you seen foreign words (of any language) in their japanese spelling? most go unrecognizable |
| 19:43.40 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 19:46.20 | robbyoconnor | damn greeks |
| 19:46.26 | robbyoconnor | wait no, that's the french |
| 19:46.28 | robbyoconnor | ducks |
| 19:48.06 | GG2 | is anyone from India got his welcome package ?????? |
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| 19:52.17 | robbyoconnor | jesus h. christ |
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| 20:32.05 | gg_ | carols: I'm from india and didn' get my welcome package. can you share tracking number with me? |
| 20:32.36 | gg_ | carols: is anyone from india confirmed his payment cards till yet? |
| 20:35.03 | carols_ | gg_: please email me directly. every student on the list is in a different situation |
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| 20:41.05 | gg_ | carols: I mailed you for shipment details but didn't get any response |
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| 20:58.41 | gg_ | carols_: I mailed you for shipment details but didn't get any response |
| 20:59.01 | carols_ | gg_: i've got about 250 emails to respond to, I will do it ASAP |
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| 20:59.36 | gg_ | carols_: sorry for being impatient |
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| 20:59.52 | gg_ | carols_: no problem take your time |
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| 21:00.51 | YuviPanda | gives carols some awesome homemade chocolate |
| 21:00.54 | YuviPanda | goes back to code |
| 21:01.00 | carols_ | aw thanks YuviPanda :-) |
| 21:01.05 | carols_ | munches chocolate |
| 21:03.28 | thebolt | hi carols_ , have some rhubarb pie while you're at it ;) How do you do? |
| 21:03.39 | carols_ | hey thebolt thanks :-) |
| 21:03.44 | carols_ | munches pie as well |
| 21:03.51 | carols_ | thebolt: im good, how are you? |
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| 21:05.38 | Lennie | gives carol Kinetic Adventures to exercise due to too many snacks ^^ |
| 21:06.27 | thebolt | managed to catch a cold, but otherwise good.. had my first whole weekend off since new years.. so now i am back at working again (got some 500 lins of kernel-modules written, almost finished all I need for now, untested though :P) |
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| 21:57.08 | tulcod | seems like i'm one of the unlucky ones, still no mail a package was sent... have you guys got anything yet? is it a nice package? |
| 21:57.37 | coppro | lots of paperwork |
| 21:57.43 | coppro | card's cool though |
| 21:58.38 | ihalip | tulcod: i feel you, bro; i sent a mail to carols, seems mine's will be sent the day after tomorrow |
| 21:58.44 | lolfrenz | haven't got one either, not too worried tho |
| 21:59.03 | tulcod | ihalip: and may i ask you where you're from? |
| 21:59.08 | ihalip | Romania |
| 21:59.13 | tulcod | hm, netherlands here |
| 21:59.28 | lolfrenz | romania here |
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| 22:33.05 | cj | carols: that was the most painful ATM experience I've ever experienced ;) |
| 22:33.21 | cj | I don't think they increased the minimum from 300 to 1,000 |
| 22:33.59 | cj | and my bank couldn't perform a "cash advance" transaction |
| 22:36.28 | coppro | I'm thinking the best way to get my money is an ACH transfer into a US-denominated account, but that's still a headache |
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| 22:38.49 | Beket | cj, thats citi bank :P Last year there were rants & rants in the lists regarding its services :P |
| 22:39.07 | jcreigh | Note that while I haven't actually tested this, I called customer service earlier today to ask about ACH transfer fees, and they said there is a $2.50 fee per ACH transfer, regardless of amount. Still better than ATM, IMO, but take that FWIW. |
| 22:41.14 | tulcod | ACH? |
| 22:41.42 | jcreigh | tulcod: a way to transfer funds between accounts at different banks |
| 22:41.52 | tulcod | ah |
| 22:41.53 | jcreigh | stands for something |
| 22:41.57 | jcreigh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Clearing_House |
| 22:42.12 | coppro | you can do them through Citibank's website |
| 22:42.22 | scorche|sh | keep in mind that a lot of people have been looking at this type of thing ;) |
| 22:42.34 | scorche|sh | you are also assuming that everyone has a bank account |
| 22:42.35 | coppro | no one's suggested a USD account yet, oddly |
| 22:42.43 | coppro | opening one is easy :/ |
| 22:42.57 | scorche|sh | for you in your country, perhaps |
| 22:43.01 | tulcod | coppro: i'm sorry, but in europe we pay with euros |
| 22:43.07 | coppro | ah, that's true |
| 22:43.13 | coppro | sometimes I forget there are people all over |
| 22:44.02 | tulcod | hm, seems like ACH is the equivalent of the european IBAN |
| 22:44.09 | schumaml | ... and some parts of europe don't even have euros yet |
| 22:44.15 | tulcod | hehe, true that |
| 22:45.27 | jcreigh | scorche|sh: well, I was just trying to provide information for people to decide what's best for them. I also gave my opinion, which is that you have the option, ACH is probably going to be easier. I do understand that it's not possible for everyone. |
| 22:45.39 | tulcod | hm, funny. in the US, some people don't have bank accounts. in the netherlands, some people don't have credit cards |
| 22:45.42 | tulcod | heck, a lot don't |
| 22:46.03 | coppro | the latter seems far saner to me |
| 22:46.07 | tulcod | jcreigh: it actually seems like citibank supprots transfers to IBAN |
| 22:46.17 | tulcod | so htat'd mean you can wire transfer to most european bank accounts |
| 22:46.56 | coppro | Unfortunately, I will need to get a credit card because the credit system is set up so that people sane enough to avoid credit as much as possible get shafted when they need it |
| 22:48.24 | scorche|sh | jcreigh: for as many students that are in the system, having one method for all goes a long way....the less complicated, the better...especially considering how many people actually work on GSoC |
| 22:49.12 | scorche|sh | tulcod: i assume there is a decent fee for this service?...most euro banks do it for free if i recall correctly |
| 22:49.42 | schumaml | us -> europe is insane, iirc |
| 22:49.55 | scorche|sh | yup |
| 22:49.55 | tulcod | scorche|sh: bank accounts? there are often free accounts for young people (children and students), but after that i think it's like a euro (about a dollar these days, sadly) for a couple of months |
| 22:50.07 | tulcod | scorche|sh: oh, the IBAN transfer? |
| 22:50.12 | tulcod | dunno, seems like it's free |
| 22:50.12 | scorche|sh | tulcod: i meant for citi's transfers to IBAN |
| 22:50.18 | scorche|sh | interesting |
| 22:50.22 | coppro | scorche|sh: I can't find anything regarding fees. All the documentation says the fee is listed somewhere, but I can't find that somewhere. I think they need to be called. |
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| 22:51.04 | tulcod | oh, maybe it's not |
| 22:51.06 | tulcod | http://www.international-money-transfer.info/articles/citibank.htm |
| 22:51.31 | tulcod | transferring to intl. citibank accounts is free, but "IBAN" seems to be part of "swift", whic hthey don't say is free |
| 22:51.39 | schumaml | just a few minutes ago, I received a mail "uh, can't we do paypal" (not related to soc) because the rates are too high |
| 22:51.42 | scorche|sh | tulcod: i am just considering it for my own personal usage...being able to transfer using IBAN/SWIFT would be very handy for me as i am forced to use paypal to a person in europe who makes the transfer for me at the moment |
| 22:51.51 | tulcod | i guess i'll wait for the card to come in |
| 22:51.59 | scorche|sh | ah, right then |
| 22:52.04 | coppro | I don't think the card can do IBAN |
| 22:52.23 | scorche|sh | were we talking about the card? |
| 22:52.33 | coppro | I thought we were. |
| 22:52.48 | coppro | it's what we're all getting paid with, isn't it? |
| 22:53.15 | tulcod | i don't know, i'm giving up |
| 22:53.24 | tulcod | i'll wait for the package to be sent and then i'll start looking aronud |
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| 23:43.14 | peper | just a quick question, not receiving a tracking number yet is nothing to be worried about, right? |
| 23:43.46 | tulcod | i haven't gotten one yet |
| 23:44.03 | peper | alright, thanks for info |
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