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| 19:06.59 | thebolt | Evening |
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| 19:13.01 | Kosma | it' |
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| 19:13.24 | Kosma | it's amazing how this place gets quieter and quieter as we are approaching the midterm evaluation ;) |
| 19:14.25 | thebolt | hehe, that does not frighten me at all.. i have some other deadlines approaching that are though :P |
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| 19:28.15 | YuviPanda | wonders why anyone would be frightened of the midterm evals |
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| 19:31.52 | bkgood | YuviPanda: perhaps they haven't done anything |
| 19:32.06 | bkgood | ;) |
| 19:33.07 | YuviPanda | bkgood: ah, we all think we haven't done anything :D |
| 19:33.26 | YuviPanda | has met most of his goals, but working only ~20 hours a week, so is feeling guilty |
| 19:34.11 | Kosma | before I started gsoc, I thought it's about coding |
| 19:34.31 | Kosma | now I see it's much more about cooperation, open source culture, learning to plan and estimate deadlines, etc. |
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| 19:36.59 | Jeff_S | Kosma: yes, the coding will fall into place after all that :) |
| 19:37.58 | Kosma | yep.. it took me a few feeks to actually start producing usable commits |
| 19:38.17 | Kosma | the 'community bonding period' term is so misleading... |
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| 19:38.57 | Kosma | I barely touched code during it, which was a huge mistake |
| 19:41.43 | diofeher | Kosma: me too :/ |
| 19:42.05 | diofeher | Just readed some documentation, but didn't touch code |
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| 19:55.46 | Kosma | on the other hand, it was an important lesson :) |
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| 20:25.24 | bkgood | haha the citi website really is f'ed up |
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| 20:25.32 | bkgood | taking high school french finally pays off! |
| 20:26.09 | coppro | haha |
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| 20:28.01 | Kosma | f'ed, as in 'frenched'? :P |
| 20:34.01 | bkgood | Kosma: yep! good thing it didn't bug out on spanish, I don't speak any :( |
| 20:34.34 | Kosma | it did for me |
| 20:34.39 | Kosma | and it's more intuitive than you'd think |
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| 21:02.53 | kblin | crap, I knew it |
| 21:03.32 | kblin | turns out my GSoC student tried to do gsoc _and_ a job... |
| 21:03.52 | lolfrenz | what kind of job? |
| 21:04.09 | kblin | dunno, he didn't say |
| 21:04.12 | lolfrenz | it probably can be done if one has absolutely no life |
| 21:04.39 | gevaerts | If he didn't tell you this in advance, I'd consider that to be worth failing in itself |
| 21:04.42 | drt24 | kblin: :-( is wombat suffering then? |
| 21:05.01 | kblin | drt24: that means it won't get 3d previews anytime soon |
| 21:05.02 | infinity0 | kblin: count yourself lucky, my student has made 0 commits |
| 21:05.41 | kblin | infinity0: well, I could probably do the work my student did in less time than I spent mentoring |
| 21:05.51 | drt24 | I should probably contact my mentor and say that I am pushing out an alpha release RSN. |
| 21:05.52 | kblin | infinity0: you probably invested a bit less time |
| 21:06.15 | lolfrenz | kblin, is his work any good? |
| 21:06.27 | drt24 | and kblin :-( 3D previews would be nice... |
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| 21:06.53 | kblin | lolfrenz: dunno, never got it to work on my box |
| 21:07.00 | Kosma | kblin: I know people who do so - job + gsoc, and yes - they have absolutely no life for over 3 months |
| 21:07.09 | gevaerts | spent a lot less time on mentoring than he had expected |
| 21:08.13 | gevaerts | Kosma: sure, it can be done in some cases, but this should be clear in advance |
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| 21:09.58 | infinity0 | i've spent less time than i expected, but mostly because my student hasn't done anything ¬.¬ |
| 21:10.14 | infinity0 | well, we've talked about ideas etc |
| 21:10.17 | infinity0 | but no output so far |
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| 21:12.32 | Kosma | infinity0: did he make any patches before? |
| 21:13.26 | infinity0 | yeah, (she) did a bunch of bug fixes during the application phase |
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| 21:14.41 | Kosma | well, that's pretty weird then |
| 21:15.24 | infinity0 | yeah i'm going to talk to her about progress etc... maybe i should have nagged more.. |
| 21:16.28 | Kosma | do you have any contact with her at all now? |
| 21:16.39 | Kosma | maybe something unexpected happened? |
| 21:16.46 | Kosma | btw, the first commit is always the hardest |
| 21:16.53 | Kosma | it took me over a week to make one |
| 21:17.08 | infinity0 | yeah, i guess |
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| 21:17.17 | infinity0 | we have IRC discussions about 3-4 times a week, i'm talking to her right now in fact |
| 21:17.40 | infinity0 | it's just she takes ages to do what really should be straightforward thins |
| 21:17.42 | infinity0 | things* |
| 21:17.46 | lolfrenz | pray she'll not hear your gossip! |
| 21:17.53 | infinity0 | lol |
| 21:18.20 | Kosma | lolfrenz: why? at least it would (maybe) make the sitation more obvious :) |
| 21:21.02 | infinity0 | well, i'm going to bring it up with her very soon anyway, though there is a case for not broadcasting all the details to the whole world, so i'll shut up about it now :) |
| 21:21.47 | Kosma | infinity0: wise decision. good luck! |
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| 21:22.42 | infinity0 | thanks :) |
| 21:24.50 | drt24 | hmmm I should probably get my mentor tied down on what kind of communication he wants as sending him an email ~weekly saying 'stuff is happening look at the commit logs' is perhaps not the most helpful thing to be doing... |
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| 21:25.05 | lolfrenz | Kosma, losing trust heh |
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| 21:28.30 | Kosma | thankfully I've been told by many people to communicate with my mentor as much as possible |
| 21:28.53 | Kosma | so I reported it every time something was preventing me from doing my work |
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| 21:30.07 | kblin | infinity0: for most of our problem student, we found that daily short scrum-style reports really helped |
| 21:31.00 | muzPayne | hm interesting |
| 21:31.03 | kblin | so a short email on "what I did yesterday, what I want to do today" before starting to work each morning |
| 21:31.10 | muzPayne | I am posting my report every week |
| 21:31.16 | infinity0 | kblin: ah yeah that sounds good |
| 21:31.20 | muzPayne | every few days communicating with mentor |
| 21:31.20 | muzPayne | s |
| 21:31.38 | kblin | that helps getting students to think about more short-term goals |
| 21:31.51 | muzPayne | not exactly I think |
| 21:31.59 | muzPayne | sometimes I work from monday to friday |
| 21:32.02 | infinity0 | there's a balance between organisation and bureaucracy |
| 21:32.09 | muzPayne | some weeks from wednesday till sunday |
| 21:32.16 | infinity0 | normally i wouldn't expect daily reports, but if i'm getting nothing for the past 5 weeks... |
| 21:32.26 | kblin | sure, this is just a couple of sentences |
| 21:32.28 | Kosma | everyday would be way too much, as I don't work on gsoc every day |
| 21:32.38 | kblin | well, every work day |
| 21:32.41 | muzPayne | 5 weeks |
| 21:32.41 | Kosma | but weekly reports are a minimum |
| 21:32.50 | muzPayne | sure every day is too much |
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| 21:33.03 | kblin | I'm saying for problem students |
| 21:33.07 | muzPayne | some days I was just thinking and writing code that I must throw in the end |
| 21:33.10 | infinity0 | kblin: yeah, i understand |
| 21:33.11 | kblin | in any case, it's not too much |
| 21:33.16 | muzPayne | so some days are absolutely ineffcient |
| 21:33.29 | kblin | yeah? so write that in your scrum report |
| 21:33.34 | muzPayne | and writing to report that I just do notking |
| 21:33.41 | muzPayne | doesnt seem like a good plan |
| 21:33.44 | muzPayne | for student |
| 21:34.31 | Kosma | muzPayne: what about getting some rest? |
| 21:34.39 | infinity0 | presumably you'd explain why you did nothing, lol |
| 21:34.57 | infinity0 | i mean just so your mentor knows you're not dossing around |
| 21:35.12 | kblin | "yesterday I fooled around with <some technique>, but didn't manage to get it to do anything useful. Today, I'll try following some tutorial I found to see if I can't make it fnorg my thingmagicks" |
| 21:36.12 | Kosma | kblin: your jargon-fu is strong :) |
| 21:36.52 | gevaerts | always wanted fnorged thingmagicks! |
| 21:38.08 | drt24 | kblin: I was intending to do that kind of scrum style emailing but it didin't happen... perhaps I should start. |
| 21:39.49 | infinity0 | drt24: it doesn't really matter, don't waste your time on it if you don't *need* it |
| 21:40.01 | infinity0 | some people can organise themselves with little external help |
| 21:40.21 | drt24 | :-) |
| 21:40.31 | gevaerts | And the others should be mentors, not students :) |
| 21:40.39 | drt24 | But I could organise myself better than I do. |
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| 21:41.37 | infinity0 | heh yeah, well whatever works for you |
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| 21:46.01 | kblin | drt24: well, just thinking about this might be sufficient, you don't have to send an email |
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