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| 06:57.00 | dholbach | good morning |
| 06:58.07 | GG__ | dholbach: Good morning ;) |
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| 06:59.06 | dholbach | hi GG__ |
| 06:59.13 | GG__ | hi dholbach |
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| 07:01.54 | dholbach | GG__: good good, just slowly waking up :) |
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| 07:08.43 | pygi | gooooooooood morning |
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| 07:17.59 | thebolt | Morning |
| 07:18.02 | thebolt | kblin: good one :) |
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| 07:21.02 | kblin | wow, it's a pygi |
| 07:21.29 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 07:21.33 | pygi | kblin, :P |
| 07:21.37 | pygi | is it that bad? :D |
| 07:21.48 | skbohra | hello everyone |
| 07:22.08 | skbohra | how's everyone doing |
| 07:22.44 | kblin | skbohra: already done with my gsoc :D |
| 07:22.59 | skbohra | kblin, wow, cool |
| 07:23.34 | kblin | skbohra: was easy. all I had to do was fail my student at mid-term for not getting his job done |
| 07:23.44 | skbohra | kblin, argh, |
| 07:23.56 | skbohra | that's bad |
| 07:24.22 | kblin | he thought he could work on both a real job and gsoc... neither me nor his boss seemed to think so |
| 07:24.45 | skbohra | kblin, that's always almost impossible |
| 07:24.53 | kblin | so my student decided to get fired from gsoc instead of his other job |
| 07:25.10 | skbohra | and wasted one slot |
| 07:25.27 | skbohra | and the work that could be done |
| 07:25.58 | pygi | but kblin can do all that work + some more in twice less time :p |
| 07:26.07 | pygi | right kblin ? :D |
| 07:26.26 | skbohra | one of my friend also withdrew gsoc before midterm |
| 07:26.53 | kblin | I'm not sure how the heck we can make this more clear to people.. it's in the FAQ, it's in our project's FAQ, it's been in our application template... |
| 07:27.29 | skbohra | kblin, you think gsoc will see major changes next year ? |
| 07:28.08 | kblin | pygi: don't have time right now, but I could have gotten as far as my student got in less time than I spend on trying to get him to work on the project |
| 07:28.21 | kblin | skbohra: I don't even know if there'll be a gsoc next year ;) |
| 07:28.49 | skbohra | assuming it happens |
| 07:28.57 | skbohra | whatever |
| 07:29.02 | kblin | but supposing there is, I don't see any big changes coming up |
| 07:29.14 | kblin | we've had this every year so far |
| 07:30.10 | thebolt | kblin: sorry you didn't get the 3d asset rendering done this year either |
| 07:30.31 | thebolt | is a little bit guilty for that too he guesses.. |
| 07:30.53 | kblin | thebolt: well, maybe for next year there's decent webgl support in current browsers |
| 07:31.26 | thebolt | kblin: hehe true :) |
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| 07:34.35 | ojwb | changes between gsoc years seem to be evolutionary not revolutionary |
| 07:34.46 | ojwb | which makes sense - it all pretty much works |
| 07:38.02 | kblin | agrees |
| 07:38.24 | kblin | there's always some small issues, but in general it's working just fine |
| 07:39.17 | kblin | thebolt: the saddest part is that there's no open source version of javascripobject now |
| 07:41.00 | thebolt | kblin: web development isn't my thing, so no idea what that is :) |
| 07:42.40 | pygi | ojwb, we still don't have cookies |
| 07:42.49 | pygi | I've tried to vote for introducing cookies since ... 2006! |
| 07:43.49 | kblin | thebolt: a js-based library that emulates rotatable 3D objects by loading pre-rendered sprites |
| 07:44.09 | thebolt | kblin: ah, okay |
| 07:46.07 | kblin | looks like the proprietary library already died, can't find it's website anymore |
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| 08:21.43 | kblin | thebolt: there we go: http://finnrudolph.de/JavaScriptObject/Introduction |
| 08:24.08 | thebolt | kblin: well, your intro is enough, I'm not really interested in web coding either ;) |
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| 08:35.57 | kblin | thebolt: it has a demo of the technique, though |
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| 08:48.07 | thebolt | kblin: ah :) i know sueastside did something similar for his asset browser, but not as polished.. and now I think he use webgl |
| 08:52.13 | kblin | yeah |
| 08:52.37 | kblin | but webgl still isn't supported by like 98% of the browsers out there |
| 08:52.40 | thebolt | yea |
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| 09:33.56 | pdelgallego | Hi anyone knows how to upload the code? |
| 09:34.38 | pdelgallego | I mean how to provide google with the copy of my code? |
| 09:35.41 | ojwb | pdelgallego: you'll be told how when the time comes |
| 09:36.04 | ojwb | which isn't for several weeks I think - the timeline should say |
| 09:36.10 | pdelgallego | ojwb, but it wasn't today the pencils down deadline? |
| 09:36.27 | ojwb | yes, but it isn't code upload deadline |
| 09:36.40 | pdelgallego | ojwb, ahh, ok I see. |
| 09:36.59 | ojwb | today is just the cut off day for work which can be taken into account by your mentor |
| 09:37.10 | pdelgallego | ok |
| 09:37.31 | ojwb | "pencils down" is rather a misnoma - you can keep working on it, but it isn't allowed to affect your evaluation |
| 09:38.38 | pdelgallego | ojwb, well I am almost done. so no problem. I just need to wait till the code upload. Fix some bugs, if we find them. |
| 09:40.21 | thebolt | no code is ever done, in my experience ;) |
| 09:40.52 | thebolt | just "good enough for now" |
| 09:41.03 | pdelgallego | thebolt, oh yeah, but you now what I mean |
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| 09:43.22 | gevaerts | Actually, as far as I understand next monday is the cut off date for evaluation purposes, it's just recommended that people start working on finalising documentation and things like that today |
| 09:46.24 | ojwb | oh, today is only the "suggested" one |
| 09:46.26 | ojwb | so yes |
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| 09:50.07 | gevaerts | Today is the day you switch to hard pencils |
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| 10:00.31 | Nils^ | greetings people, I finally want to withdraw money from my card (outside usa, germany) but the phone number I've got from citi is wrong, I cannot set my pin |
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| 10:11.59 | qrng | Nils^: I am going to do the same, but I don't think that using ATM is optimal in our case. |
| 10:12.22 | qrng | In fact, I am trying to work out a deal with forex brokers. |
| 10:13.18 | pdelgallego | Nils^, I did using skype and the US number. |
| 10:13.23 | qrng | Money transfer itself will be cheaper, also, you get to choose at which rate you are going to convert from USD to EUR (in my case, to DKK). |
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| 10:21.48 | Nils^ | qrng: but all people say its not possible to transfer |
| 10:22.01 | qrng | Directly. |
| 10:22.16 | qrng | Yes, it's true. |
| 10:22.18 | Nils^ | pdelgallego: I tried the same, but skype says wrong format, I need an international format |
| 10:23.45 | pdelgallego | Nils^, You shoudl change the country in Skype. |
| 10:23.55 | qrng | Please note, however, that people in the US can transfer the money without fees to other US banks. Forex brokers can accept money the same way, and this is without fees and them drop the money using bank Drafts. |
| 10:24.18 | Nils^ | qrng: about how much loss do you talk here? |
| 10:24.21 | qrng | This is also, usually, without fees. |
| 10:24.31 | ojwb | many things are alleged to be impossible by many people, but are actually possible |
| 10:24.47 | ojwb | though that doesn't mean that something is possible just because many people think it isn't of course |
| 10:25.13 | pdelgallego | qrng, Did you pay any fee? What bank do you use ? |
| 10:25.18 | qrng | Nils^: Practically nothing. The most interchange.co.uk would charge you would be about, umm... 15 pounds. |
| 10:25.34 | Nils^ | qrng: and with ATM withdraw? |
| 10:25.59 | qrng | Nils^: Whatever the fee set up by the ATM operator + 3% currency conversion? |
| 10:26.06 | qrng | That's insane. |
| 10:26.17 | ojwb | plus you don't know what rate you'll get until afterwards |
| 10:26.24 | qrng | Precicely. |
| 10:26.33 | Nils^ | qrng: and how far is your project with the broker? |
| 10:26.39 | qrng | Which is not the case with forex brokers, because you know your rate. |
| 10:27.08 | ojwb | and if the rate doesn't sound good, you can try a different day |
| 10:27.12 | qrng | Sent them certified id documents, which involved my id card + utility bill. |
| 10:27.16 | ojwb | or set a trigger rate, but the fees are higher for that |
| 10:27.29 | qrng | ojwb: <3 |
| 10:27.36 | qrng | Another clear-header person here. |
| 10:27.44 | qrng | *headed |
| 10:27.53 | pdelgallego | qrng, I have a Danske bank account It is possible to transfer the money there? |
| 10:27.54 | ojwb | well, I've moved house-sized amounts of money between countries... |
| 10:28.02 | qrng | I simply don't understand your problems with ATMs and other things. |
| 10:28.05 | ojwb | which makes doing your research very worthwhile |
| 10:28.31 | qrng | If you have to move your money internationally, use forex brokers. |
| 10:28.34 | qrng | End of the story. |
| 10:28.49 | qrng | This play with ATMs is for people who don't value their money. |
| 10:29.10 | Nils^ | so far I did nothing wrong then :) |
| 10:29.28 | qrng | pdelgallego: Wherever you want, even to Zimbave. |
| 10:29.39 | qrng | As long, as your bank accepts ANY way to get funds. |
| 10:29.46 | sjhor | qrng: Have you actually transferred anything yet? |
| 10:29.50 | qrng | Of course, some ways cost, and some don't. |
| 10:30.02 | qrng | sjhor: Yes. |
| 10:30.04 | sjhor | qrng: I got confused with all the jargon |
| 10:30.07 | sjhor | :s |
| 10:30.37 | Nils^ | qrng: ok, could you tell me what service I could use? |
| 10:30.38 | valeuf | qrng: I google on Forex Broker to understand more what you said |
| 10:30.39 | sjhor | and I agree, ATMs are a poor way of transferring money |
| 10:30.55 | qrng | sjhor: THE WORST. |
| 10:30.59 | qrng | Absolutely. |
| 10:31.23 | valeuf | qrng: so if I understand well, you have to open a kind of special account in a Forex Broker company, which allow you after to convert this money on any currency? |
| 10:31.38 | valeuf | then from this special account, you can send the money wherever you want? |
| 10:31.39 | qrng | valeuf: Precicely, and at your chosen rate, too. |
| 10:31.50 | sjhor | The problem I have is how to get money from citi to forex? |
| 10:31.52 | qrng | valeuf: Yes, yes, yes, and yes. |
| 10:31.55 | valeuf | qrng: wow |
| 10:32.17 | qrng | Using that AHC or EHC inter-american-bank transfer thingy. |
| 10:32.31 | ojwb | qrng: you should write a howto - you'll be super-popular |
| 10:32.38 | qrng | Which doesn't cost a cent. |
| 10:32.43 | sjhor | Awesome |
| 10:32.53 | valeuf | qrng: but then there is no fee on the transfer between the Forex Broker and your bank account in your home country? |
| 10:32.58 | qrng | ojwb: I don't need to be popular. |
| 10:33.18 | sjhor | valeuf: probably, much less than banks charge for ATMs though |
| 10:33.25 | qrng | valeuf: Depends on what your home bank accepts. If it accepts bank drafts, you are in luck, because it doesn't cost, too. |
| 10:33.54 | qrng | Or, at least, cost absolutely minimally, because that's the way banks themselves transfer money between them. |
| 10:34.01 | qrng | Forex brokers get their share, of course. |
| 10:34.11 | qrng | But they get their share from spread. |
| 10:34.39 | valeuf | qrng: I need to check more about it, but it could be really nice, since I have to transfer money between different country regularly |
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| 10:35.27 | qrng | valeuf: Look at xe.com or interchangefx.co.uk |
| 10:35.54 | sjhor | hehe, signing up to forex gives you a copy of "Currency Trading For Dummies" |
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| 10:36.27 | qrng | Most of you don't need to know much about that, but healthy awareness of currency exchange would be much in order, I see. |
| 10:36.43 | qrng | In my case, I am mostly interested in DKK. |
| 10:36.50 | qrng | So, I want to exchange USD to DKK. |
| 10:36.51 | valeuf | qrng: wow wow wow I would not expect such of things exist... |
| 10:37.25 | valeuf | for someone like switching regularly between USD-EUR-KRW with ATM withdraw |
| 10:37.29 | valeuf | I feel like I was stupid :p |
| 10:37.37 | qrng | Which means that at the beginning of July rate was 1:6.02, so if I transferred my money then, I would have got ~30k DKK. |
| 10:37.54 | qrng | If I transfered my money now, I'd get ~28k DKK. |
| 10:38.03 | qrng | I don't know about you, but 2000 DKK matters. |
| 10:38.16 | qrng | This is almost one months rent. |
| 10:38.57 | qrng | valeuf: Absolutely. |
| 10:39.04 | qrng | Nevertheless, you can mend your ways. |
| 10:39.30 | valeuf | qrng: I need to read more about all these new words, but I think I can find a much better solution than my old way |
| 10:39.48 | qrng | Yes. |
| 10:40.19 | qrng | Besides, I invite everyone to think how money sharks transfer their money. |
| 10:41.05 | valeuf | qrng: I should say that I am not having a deep interest in economics problem |
| 10:41.15 | qrng | Then you are stupid. |
| 10:41.37 | qrng | Money does not have to be the axis of your life. |
| 10:41.45 | qrng | Nevertheless, money is the reality of your life. |
| 10:42.18 | qrng | Saying that you don't care about money is very much like saying that you don't care about the weather and then proceeding happily towards tornado. |
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| 10:45.58 | thebolt | qrng: well, money should never be a goal in itself |
| 10:46.07 | thebolt | qrng: money is just a mean to get/acomplish other things |
| 10:46.17 | qrng | I agree wholeheartedly. |
| 10:46.52 | qrng | Nevertheless, without some healthy awareness about money, you'll find yourself thinking about the money (or lack thereof) too much to involve yourself in other fruitful endeavours. |
| 10:46.58 | thebolt | sure |
| 10:47.47 | thebolt | but as long as I survive and in general can live a happy life I am not too concerned about money |
| 10:49.25 | qrng | Well, I do that same, albeit I must note that I count it. |
| 10:50.02 | thebolt | (given this half-year from may to october I don't have any income.. well, you have to think about what you spend money on ;) |
| 10:50.13 | valeuf | qrng: well at the same time, I will probably have to dedicate a lot of time to understand well Forex stuff, then I should open the different acount and so on... |
| 10:50.24 | valeuf | qrng: this is time I won't spent on something else |
| 10:51.03 | qrng | valeuf: Chances are that if you don't think about it now, you'll have to think about it later. |
| 10:51.49 | qrng | Seeing your proclivity to get your money from the sources abroad. :-D |
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| 10:53.08 | qrng | Some things are simply WORTH to learn, and their value can be measured precicely. |
| 10:53.43 | qrng | Because that value is equal to the amount of money that you don't plunder to banks and ATM operators. |
| 10:58.19 | kblin | qrng: see, that's why I quit doing gsocs as a student |
| 10:58.43 | kblin | qrng: in 2005 I got way more EUR out of it than in 2007 :) |
| 10:58.57 | kblin | though arguably in 2007 I got the money much faster |
| 10:59.07 | kblin | and didn't have to get a refund from the IRS |
| 10:59.22 | kblin | though that was a fun cheque to cash in |
| 11:02.17 | qrng | Umhmhm. |
| 11:02.20 | kblin | great, now I feel old again... |
| 11:02.39 | qrng | strokes kblin. |
| 11:02.46 | qrng | You aren't old, you aren't. |
| 11:02.47 | kblin | did I mention they snail mailed US cheques around in 2005? |
| 11:03.35 | ojwb | using real snails |
| 11:04.20 | qrng | Well, checkques have their advantages. |
| 11:04.39 | qrng | Albeit the scheme nowadays is infinitely more safe. |
| 11:06.38 | kblin | and faster |
| 11:07.07 | kblin | because to cash the cheque, your bank needs to send back the cheque to the issuing bank |
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| 11:10.56 | vegard | I actually made something like 30% by leaving the gsoc 2009 money until this year |
| 11:12.05 | vegard | I think it was mostly because of the european crisis that the dollar rose |
| 11:13.13 | qrng | nods. |
| 11:13.56 | baer | european crisis? |
| 11:14.34 | vegard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_European_sovereign_debt_crisis |
| 11:15.09 | baer | ah, you are talking about our trick to devaluate the euro to increase export ;) |
| 11:16.03 | kblin | psst |
| 11:17.01 | vegard | the american economic crisis was also such a trick? |
| 11:17.59 | vegard | this one, I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932010 |
| 11:18.06 | vegard | I think that also helped |
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| 11:22.17 | qrng | Aha. |
| 11:22.38 | qrng | Now, the real kung-fu starts when you have to minimize your taxes. :-D |
| 11:22.47 | qrng | giggles. |
| 11:23.28 | qrng | Anyhow, I haven't paid a penny and I won't. On the other hand, one has to know how to declare the money. :-) |
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| 11:26.50 | qrng | If I ever quit doing research, I'll find some place in corporate offshore milieu. |
| 11:27.01 | qrng | It's exciting. |
| 11:27.57 | thebolt | setting things up in another country can be a bitch.. |
| 11:28.19 | thebolt | i'm just working on setting myself up in an east-asian country, but working for a swedish company.. doing that the right way (legaly) is not trivial :P |
| 11:29.05 | qrng | Pays off. |
| 11:31.20 | qrng | thebolt: You have to open an Ltd. in that country and then setting up yourself as a sole person, e.g., director? |
| 11:31.51 | thebolt | qrng: that is one option we're looking at right now, yes |
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| 11:32.18 | qrng | It's probably the best option. |
| 11:32.29 | thebolt | qrng: might also be that we'll do it under an "umbrella Ltd" provided by the swedish trade council in that country.. so I am employed by them there then full time consultant back to the original company |
| 11:32.56 | thebolt | well, forming an ltd there takes quite a bit of paperwork and locked capital |
| 11:32.56 | qrng | I see. |
| 11:33.27 | qrng | This locked capital is not that much, usually, and you have to consider tax benefits. |
| 11:33.49 | thebolt | well, in this case it is about 15k euro |
| 11:34.00 | qrng | Hm, substantial. |
| 11:34.05 | thebolt | and well, the tax situation is pretty much the same for the two situations |
| 11:34.25 | thebolt | for me personally it would be exactly the same as I would just be a "normal" employee in that country |
| 11:34.52 | thebolt | basically it is a question of if the fees to the trade council VS capital lockup and fees for a local lawyer/accountant etc.. |
| 11:35.42 | qrng | nods. |
| 11:36.28 | thebolt | ah well, my companion handles most of the admin-stuff and research regarding that.. and I focus on engineering :) |
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| 11:37.13 | qrng | Which country, by the way? |
| 11:38.31 | thebolt | Taiwan |
| 11:39.42 | qrng | raises an eyebrow. |
| 11:40.07 | qrng | Oh, regular visits to Tailand will be much cheaper. :-D |
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| 11:41.06 | thebolt | never been to Thailand, don't really have any intention of doing so anytime soon either :P |
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| 11:42.00 | qrng | Don't be a prude. :-D |
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| 11:43.28 | qrng | Thailand is a wonderful country, there you will be loved wholeheartedly. |
| 11:43.36 | qrng | For a little price. |
| 11:44.47 | qrng | Besides, nobody can beat Thailand in diversity. |
| 11:45.09 | qrng | Especially if you love your girls with a little extra appendages. :-D |
| 11:47.21 | thebolt | haha.. think i can do without that.. :) |
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| 11:50.42 | qrng | shrugs. |
| 11:50.51 | qrng | We live only once. |
| 11:52.00 | lcuk | speak for yourself |
| 11:53.57 | thebolt | :) |
| 11:54.57 | qrng | Dear lcuk, if you hide some secret knowledge how to live longer than alloted by nature, please share that with the public. |
| 11:55.27 | qrng | You are invited to share how to live more than once, too. |
| 11:55.43 | thebolt | believe in hinduism or buddism |
| 11:56.05 | qrng | Are there any practical proofs that they live more than once? |
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| 11:57.08 | thebolt | nope, but why not take the chance? worst case you are not worse off than not believing there are more than one life ;) |
| 11:57.18 | Lennie | hi |
| 11:57.24 | thebolt | hi Lennie |
| 11:57.56 | qrng | thebolt: It is curious to note that pigs experience orgasms that last for half an hour. |
| 11:58.35 | lcuk | respawn! |
| 11:58.43 | qrng | :-D |
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| 12:08.52 | kblin | hi Lennie |
| 12:10.36 | Lennie | hi kblin :) |
| 12:11.19 | sfb | kblin: heya |
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| 12:11.57 | kblin | Lennie: how's the weather in the valley? |
| 12:12.01 | kblin | sfb: heyas |
| 12:12.23 | Lennie | what valley? |
| 12:12.30 | Lennie | are you talking about the netherlands :P? |
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| 12:13.42 | kblin | Lennie: ah, your IP is from the google IP range, so I assumed you were visiting over in CA |
| 12:14.26 | kblin | sfb: hey there |
| 12:14.26 | Lennie | close :) |
| 12:14.26 | Lennie | let's pm :P |
| 12:14.26 | thebolt | Lennie: isn't whole netherlands a big valley? ;) |
| 12:14.33 | Lennie | most of it is below sea level :P |
| 12:14.39 | ojwb | continental shelf |
| 12:21.05 | kblin | stupid whiny buglist |
| 12:21.26 | kblin | keeps sending me emails... "your bugzilla buglist needs attention" |
| 12:21.46 | Lennie | hehe |
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| 13:02.49 | vegard | my project turned out to be a lot harder than I'd have thought and I'm not able to finish on time :-( |
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| 13:03.17 | kblin | vegard: I trust you discussed that with your mentor already, right? |
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| 13:05.33 | vegard | does that mean I automatically fail the final evaluation |
| 13:06.56 | kblin | vegard: have you talked to your mentor? |
| 13:07.26 | ojwb | not automatically, though if this is the first your mentor knows about it that's not good |
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| 13:08.52 | vegard | sorry |
| 13:09.20 | vegard | I did, in a way. so we talked about this around the midterm evaluation too, because I was more or less behind schedule then too |
| 13:09.46 | kblin | and you didn't adjust the milestones? |
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| 13:10.29 | vegard | hm, that's a good point. we didn't actually adjust them explicitly |
| 13:12.20 | ojwb | it's you mentor who decides if you pass and fail, so really it's him/her you should be talking to |
| 13:12.25 | kblin | ok, so the way it actually works is that the mentor needs to select "pass" from the dropdown in the final evaluation |
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| 13:13.04 | vegard | right |
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| 13:14.37 | kblin | so as long as the mentor is happy with your work, meeting all the milestones from your proposal isn't quite that important |
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| 13:16.52 | vegard | nod |
| 13:17.02 | kblin | the best way to make sure your mentor is happy with your work, you need to communicate with your mentor frequently |
| 13:17.12 | vegard | I did |
| 13:17.20 | vegard | or at least I think I did |
| 13:17.32 | kblin | did your mentor communicate back? |
| 13:18.04 | vegard | not always |
| 13:18.51 | kblin | ok.. how often did you talk to your mentor, on average, per week? |
| 13:19.37 | kblin | or per month |
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| 13:20.45 | kblin | and by talk I mean two-way communication |
| 13:27.13 | vegard | :-/ |
| 13:27.35 | vegard | I'm not sure entirely how to count this |
| 13:28.09 | vegard | we used e-mail only, and usually replying only overnight (as we're on different continents) |
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| 13:29.58 | kblin | this is just for a rough metric |
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| 17:37.18 | thebolt | Evening all |
| 17:41.27 | carols | hey thebolt |
| 17:45.56 | thebolt | hi carols , how do you do? getting swamped in work now that gsoc is running toward the end? :) |
| 17:46.09 | carols | thebolt: always :-) |
| 17:46.47 | gevaerts | gives carols some stroopwafels to make the work easier |
| 17:46.59 | carols | thanks gevaerts ! |
| 17:47.07 | carols | munches stroopwafels |
| 17:47.21 | carols | serves some tea and coffee to go with the stroopwafels |
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| 18:07.57 | kblin | carols: hey there |
| 18:08.00 | carols | hi kblin |
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| 18:11.44 | lolfrenz | ohai. so P != NP, amirite |
| 18:13.28 | sjhor | Also any configuration of a rubik's cube can be solved in at most 20 moves! What a week this is turning out to be :p |
| 18:14.47 | summatusmentis | lolfrenz: personally? until it's peer reviewed and verified and so forth, I'm skeptical |
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| 18:15.32 | Lambdanaut | I hope it's cool with me asking this here; just bouncing ideas off the wall for next year's gsoc. Does a gameboy emulator in haskell sound like a generally acceptable project idea? |
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| 18:16.51 | lolfrenz | sjhor, rubik's cube min moves was proven this week? |
| 18:17.32 | summatusmentis | Lambdanaut: you'd need to find an open source organization that would accept this as a proposal |
| 18:17.38 | sjhor | lolfrenz: I heard about it for the first time this morning |
| 18:17.55 | sjhor | It's on slashdot, but that doesn't imply that it's new :p |
| 18:18.08 | gevaerts | sjhor: doesn't that rather imply it isn't? |
| 18:18.35 | sjhor | July, 2010 Morley Davidson, John Dethridge, Herbert Kociemba, and Tomas Rokicki prove that God's Number for the Cube is exactly 20. |
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| 18:24.46 | kblin | sjhor: just because they watched god taking 20 moves, it doesn;t mean there's no better way ;) |
| 18:25.20 | kblin | Lambdanaut: gsoc doesn't quite work that way |
| 18:26.01 | kblin | Lambdanaut: you find a mentoring org, and either pick a project they suggest or you suggest one to the mentoring org |
| 18:27.52 | kblin | in your case, you'd have to find somebody who'd mentor that project |
| 18:28.18 | kblin | it's easier to get accepted on proposals a project already wants to have |
| 18:28.47 | gevaerts | personally finds "Solved problem, but now in language X" projects not very interesting |
| 18:29.43 | sjhor | kblin: They used computer time donated by Google, so by that surely Google = God? |
| 18:29.43 | kblin | right |
| 18:30.17 | kblin | sjhor: not sure on that one |
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| 18:31.59 | kblin | they may know it all, but we have a saying that god's no telltale |
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| 20:21.16 | lolfrenz | carols, s/more then/more than/, s/less then/less than/ :) |
| 20:21.25 | carols | lolfrenz: im sorry? |
| 20:21.41 | lolfrenz | in the final evaluation questions |
| 20:21.44 | carols | ok |
| 20:21.47 | lolfrenz | question 5 that is |
| 20:21.49 | gevaerts | was debating whether or not to point this out :) |
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| 20:22.49 | gevaerts | lolfrenz: there's no "more then"! |
| 20:23.03 | lolfrenz | orly |
| 20:23.35 | gevaerts | hm, wait |
| 20:23.36 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
| 20:23.40 | carols | hey MatthewWilkes |
| 20:23.49 | gevaerts | lolfrenz: Are you looking at student or mentor questions? |
| 20:24.09 | MatthewWilkes | carols: How's it going? |
| 20:24.18 | carols | MatthewWilkes: good, just busy. how are you? |
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| 20:27.16 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Getting things done thanks to being away for work this week. Trying to avoid the minibar, though. |
| 20:27.34 | carols | MatthewWilkes: good luck with that :-) |
| 20:28.13 | lolfrenz | gevaerts, student |
| 20:28.34 | gevaerts | lolfrenz: right. The actual text will be different then (or is it than? ;) |
| 20:28.57 | lolfrenz | I'm not sure I get what you mean :) |
| 20:29.51 | gevaerts | good :) |
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| 21:02.03 | kblin | hahah |
| 21:02.09 | kblin | "At some point, there might be nothing left to do except to roll up your sleeves, brew some coffee, and tell your graduate student to read the paper and report back to you." |
| 21:03.08 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 21:03.10 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
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| 21:07.11 | thebolt | kblin: and the grad student goes down to his undergrads and make them do the real dirty work? ;) |
| 21:10.28 | kblin | well, this was the "Ten Signs a Claimed Mathematical Breakthrough is Wrong" list |
| 21:10.36 | thebolt | Hehe okay :) |
| 21:10.42 | kblin | http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=304 |
| 21:12.08 | kblin | that guy also thinks the N != NP proof might be wrong |
| 21:12.48 | kblin | but that list is much more interesting than some first thoughts about a paper that's too huge to reed in a few hours |
| 21:13.39 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 21:21.22 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Googled, started browsing through, turned off all within about 3 minutes |
| 21:22.35 | MatthewWilkes | I mean, seriously, "Consider a system of n interacting variables such as is ubiquitous in mathematical sciences. For example [â¦] n Ising spins that interact with each other in a ferromagnet." - stop wasting our time |
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| 21:37.53 | kblin | that seems to violate one of the 10 signs :) |
| 21:38.00 | kblin | http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/06/19/the-alternative-science-respectability-checklist/ is also a fun read |
| 21:39.10 | thebolt | kblin: that list (first one) basically comes down to "if it sounds/looks too good to be true, it probably is" ;) |
| 21:40.55 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:41.22 | kblin | but I like how it starts with "if it's not TeX, it likely to be crap" |
| 21:41.42 | kblin | I wish that'd apply in my new field of choice as well |
| 21:42.28 | kblin | but no, I need to deal with gel electrophoresis pictures where you might see a band at some point if you squint just right |
| 21:42.58 | kblin | though arguably none of those will ever go into the league of a P!=NP proof |
| 21:43.42 | thebolt | hehe |
| 21:44.49 | thebolt | http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=304#comment-16474 just realize i operate at level 3.. my thesis is written in latex, all figures (ie not circuit diagrams or photos) are made using TikZ and i use beamer for the presentation.. |
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| 21:47.11 | kblin | I use beamer, but I do my pictures in OOo currently |
| 21:48.46 | kblin | that probably makes me a level2(a) or something |
| 21:49.05 | kblin | but also the time of day makes me tired, so, night |
| 21:50.59 | thebolt | gn |
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