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| 01:20.21 | bkgood | oh |
| 01:20.29 | bkgood | not till 8/30 |
| 01:20.41 | bkgood | I thought I'd learn to read entire docs by now |
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| 05:12.08 | kblin | morning |
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| 05:38.02 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 05:38.19 | kblin | morning thebolt |
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| 05:39.44 | kblin | watches his cpus spin |
| 05:39.58 | thebolt | hehe, simulating? |
| 05:40.37 | kblin | no, gpg --import of a pretty big keyring |
| 05:40.42 | thebolt | hehe ok |
| 05:40.54 | thebolt | ahm, time to get a shower and get to work.. bbl |
| 05:43.25 | kblin | have fun |
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| 06:05.09 | kblin | whoa, the mentor list has emails... |
| 06:05.31 | ojwb | yeah |
| 06:05.46 | ojwb | funny to get our first monster thread of the year just as coding ends |
| 06:05.57 | ojwb | or at least if it isn't the first, I wasn't paying much attention before |
| 06:06.37 | timotei | wow, mentor lists get's... hot?:D |
| 06:06.43 | timotei | s/get's/gets |
| 06:10.46 | kblin | ojwb: unfortunatley everybody's saying more or less the same |
| 06:10.56 | kblin | there's two camps, and they're both repeating themselves |
| 06:15.34 | kblin | oh, I found a valid point 2/3rds down the thread.. |
| 06:15.39 | ojwb | yeah, perhaps with a few side points |
| 06:15.45 | ojwb | again, mostly repeated |
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| 06:17.55 | kblin | true |
| 06:18.09 | kblin | I still think this is mainly a failure of the org/mentor |
| 06:19.57 | ojwb | is reluctant to make a definite call without knowing more, but I probably agree |
| 06:21.11 | kblin | true, there might be a part of the story that's missing from the emails, of course |
| 06:21.35 | ojwb | and we're only hearing the mentor (or org admin is it?) side |
| 06:23.10 | timotei | hi guys |
| 06:23.18 | timotei | can anyone help me with my commits git command? |
| 06:23.33 | timotei | I use git pretty=oneline, and the mailing list command doesn't work |
| 06:23.51 | timotei | git log --author=timotei | awk '/commit/{printf "%s\n", $2}' | xargs -l git --no-pager diff > code.diff; tar -czf Your_Name.tar.gz code.diff; |
| 06:23.56 | timotei | any idea on how to fix it? |
| 06:24.10 | ojwb | turn off pretty=oneline temporarily? |
| 06:24.34 | timotei | :) |
| 06:24.41 | timotei | good idea |
| 06:25.30 | ojwb | that seems a rather dangerous regexp there |
| 06:25.55 | ojwb | commit messages are quite likely to contain the word "commit" |
| 06:26.12 | ojwb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.08 | timotei | well, it works without pretty=oneline |
| 06:27.21 | timotei | but with pretty=online |
| 06:27.37 | timotei | wouldn't the command be?: awk '/$1/{printf "%s\n", $2}' |
| 06:27.38 | timotei | ? |
| 06:28.22 | ojwb | um, no |
| 06:28.57 | ojwb | just awk '{print $1}' I think |
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| 06:29.55 | timotei | right. actually $2, since the first is commit ID |
| 06:29.57 | timotei | thanks ojwb |
| 06:30.47 | ojwb | isn't it the commit id you want? |
| 06:30.58 | timotei | hmm, I think I want the message |
| 06:31.16 | ojwb | well, the original command gives the commit ids |
| 06:31.27 | ojwb | which seems more likely to be what you want to feed to diff |
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| 06:38.59 | kblin | timotei: what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:45.43 | kblin | stomps on the thread |
| 06:45.44 | ojwb | kblin: export his changes for uploading I'm guessing |
| 06:46.12 | kblin | looks really complicated, though |
| 06:47.16 | kblin | !timeline |
| 06:47.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 06:47.39 | ojwb | waits for half a dozen other people to step in and attempt to summarise all the arguments so far |
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| 06:49.36 | kblin | I'd use 'git log -p --author="Kai Blin" --since="four months ago"' or somesuch |
| 06:49.47 | kblin | maybe spelling out the date |
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| 06:52.29 | kblin | during gsoc, I had all my patches in a feature branch, so I could just do a "git format-patch origin -o Kai_Blin; tar czf Kai_Blin.tar.gz Kai_Blin' |
| 06:52.49 | kblin | but of course if you did continuous integration, that won't work |
| 06:53.07 | kblin | and I think that's what wesnoth required |
| 06:54.21 | kblin | but git log with --author, --since and -p would do the trick |
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| 07:10.35 | kblin | timotei: I'd use 'git log -p --author="Kai Blin" --since="four months ago"' or somesuch |
| 07:11.12 | kblin | timotei: if you didn't commit anything prior to gsoc, you can leave away the --since part |
| 07:11.18 | timotei | kblin: well, I have to trim my patches |
| 07:11.31 | timotei | because, I have worked in 2 different folders |
| 07:12.42 | kblin | yes, and that makes what difference to uploading? |
| 07:13.24 | timotei | well, I have my own 'project' in a separate folder |
| 07:13.34 | timotei | I will upload the finished - no patches |
| 07:13.46 | timotei | but from the other parts where I contributed, I need to take the patches |
| 07:14.37 | kblin | if you want to make your life complicated, sure :) |
| 07:15.32 | timotei | you're telling that I should just put *all* my patches? |
| 07:16.35 | kblin | I seriously doubt anybody will try to reconstruct your project from your upload to google code |
| 07:17.15 | timotei | it's not about that. it's about clutter inside the commits. some are very big (some parts of code being generated automatically), and there are things I've changed back and forth |
| 07:17.57 | smtms | oh, automatic code inflation |
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| 07:18.06 | kblin | yeah, but everybody actually interested in what you did will look at the wesnoth tree anyway |
| 07:18.31 | kblin | though I don't get why you keep autogenerated code in the repository ;) |
| 07:18.45 | timotei | kblin: it's source code, not compiled :D |
| 07:19.29 | kblin | but there's some tool that produces it, right? |
| 07:20.07 | timotei | yes |
| 07:21.15 | thebolt | hi again (from work this time) |
| 07:21.44 | kblin | shouldn't you be working then? ;) |
| 07:22.06 | kblin | goes breakfast-hunting instead |
| 07:22.41 | thebolt | nah, eating breakfast and catching up on mails.. |
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| 07:35.55 | kblin | ojwb: alternatively, people will just ignore my email |
| 07:36.52 | ojwb | i suspect a lot of people don't read a whole large thread before replying |
| 07:37.01 | ojwb | or else we wouldn't have the same few points made so many times |
| 07:37.23 | ojwb | but well done for trying |
| 07:37.52 | firc | dear folks, gsoc has been much fun. Thanks for a summer I enjoyed. |
| 07:37.59 | firc | goes off to real life now. |
| 07:38.45 | kblin | yay, but.. not quite the point of gsoc? :) |
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| 07:39.16 | firc | i'm am not abandoning my org/project if that's what you mean. |
| 07:39.21 | firc | -'m |
| 07:39.45 | timotei | !logs |
| 07:39.46 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 07:39.47 | kblin | yeah, but the point of gsoc should be that your project is part of real life :) |
| 07:39.58 | kblin | firc: anyway, I was mostly kidding |
| 07:40.02 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 07:40.16 | kblin | moin ThomasWaldmann, long time no read |
| 07:40.28 | thebolt | i never understood the concept of "real life".. i think everything I do in my life is real ;) |
| 07:40.32 | thebolt | hi ThomasWaldmann |
| 07:40.32 | ThomasWaldmann | was busy with moin2 and soc :) |
| 07:40.45 | firc | hehe, I meant a week long vacation :p |
| 07:40.48 | kblin | excuses, excuses |
| 07:40.52 | ThomasWaldmann | :P |
| 07:41.01 | kblin | firc: ah, fair enough :D |
| 07:41.23 | ThomasWaldmann | did anyone use some tool to export statistics from mercurial? |
| 07:41.52 | ThomasWaldmann | like LOCs changed per day by person X? |
| 07:42.15 | kblin | haven't been a mercurial user for long, fortunately |
| 07:42.18 | ThomasWaldmann | knows LOCs are not a good metric, but maybe better than nothing |
| 07:42.55 | kblin | currently wonders how to do that in git |
| 07:44.34 | kblin | you probably need to get the log per author per day and get the diffstat for that and do the maths yourself |
| 07:44.55 | kblin | sounds pretty scriptable |
| 07:45.18 | ThomasWaldmann | i just wondered about whether i need to (re)invent that wheel :) |
| 07:45.51 | kblin | that might be an interesting question for the mentors list |
| 07:46.03 | kblin | the old thread is getting.. well, old |
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| 07:50.32 | alexandru | ThomasWaldmann: not exactly what you're looking for, but maybe you can see some interesting things with Gource |
| 07:51.02 | alexandru | 'see' being the operative word |
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| 07:54.49 | ThomasWaldmann | alexandru: hehe, more fancy, but maybe not what we need for soc :) |
| 07:56.07 | kblin | hehe |
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| 08:34.13 | eduardop | All for the love of code! |
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| 08:36.24 | gevaerts | Yay, massive thread ready to be deleted^H^H^H^Hcarefully studied! |
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| 08:39.58 | eduardop | Bye all, GSOC was fun! |
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| 08:45.30 | gevaerts | replies, probably repeating what others have said in a slightly different way |
| 08:48.40 | thebolt | gevaerts: on which list? |
| 08:48.58 | ojwb | mentor |
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| 08:53.57 | gevaerts | hm, is this getting through? |
| 08:54.06 | thebolt | ah, ok |
| 08:57.09 | gevaerts | wonders why his mail doesn't appear anywhere |
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| 09:06.55 | gevaerts | oops |
| 09:08.17 | gevaerts | learns to distinguish between reply-to-sender and reply-to-list |
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| 09:13.22 | thebolt | :-) |
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| 09:17.56 | carldani | hi |
| 09:18.01 | carldani | !timeline |
| 09:18.02 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 09:48.07 | mkarnicki | !next |
| 09:48.08 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
| 09:48.41 | gevaerts | Ah, it's !next and !timeline day again :) |
| 09:48.50 | MatthewWilkes | bounces |
| 09:48.56 | MatthewWilkes | Just bought some whisky :) |
| 09:50.13 | pdelgallego | !next |
| 09:50.14 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
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| 10:17.22 | dennda | Is there anything specific that I as a student need to do before the deadline? |
| 10:17.45 | gevaerts | You mean apart from finishing your project? No |
| 10:17.59 | dennda | ok |
| 10:17.59 | gevaerts | Just the evaluation starting from tonight |
| 10:18.10 | timotei | maybe prepeare the asnwers to the eval |
| 10:18.55 | peper | hello |
| 10:19.48 | peper | anyone tried doing an ACH transfer to not his account from the prepaid card? |
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| 10:21.58 | ThomasWaldmann | to answer my own question from some hours ago: |
| 10:22.23 | ThomasWaldmann | yes, there is some stats/graphs thing for mercurial: hg activity extension |
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| 10:22.55 | ThomasWaldmann | http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2010 < some output of it can be seen there |
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| 10:43.35 | timotei | (\ /) |
| 10:43.35 | timotei | (O.o) |
| 10:43.35 | timotei | (> <) Bunny approves these changes. |
| 10:44.25 | ojwb | is reminded of frank from donny darko |
| 10:44.58 | ojwb | http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/frank-donnie-darko-9237.jpg |
| 10:45.11 | timotei | haha |
| 10:45.17 | timotei | nice |
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| 10:47.57 | kblin | gource is a nice timesink |
| 10:48.03 | timotei | yep |
| 10:48.54 | kblin | the really bad part is that I've been watching for a couple of minutes now, but it's still 1997 |
| 10:49.09 | timotei | what? linux kernel? |
| 10:49.22 | kblin | samba |
| 10:49.56 | kblin | but finally I see why Mr. Samba Release Account has these very good ohloh stats |
| 10:50.08 | vivia | is frightened |
| 10:50.33 | vivia | I suddenly remember why I gave up on Samba and told my dad that, if he wants to share files, he better use winscp... |
| 10:50.47 | kblin | oh? |
| 10:50.57 | kblin | pebkac? :) |
| 10:51.28 | vivia | maybe, he just didn't want to use a password and I couldn't configure samba to _not_ use a password and just log anyone in (I was only accessible on intranet anyway) |
| 10:52.15 | kblin | you can configure samba to support that, if you're running standalone |
| 10:52.54 | vivia | yes I know you can... I spent months trying to figure out how (nothing seemed to work)... then I gave up |
| 10:53.07 | vivia | and that was a few years ago anyway :) |
| 10:53.49 | kblin | back then, security=share probably still worked :) |
| 10:54.15 | vivia | YES, that's what I was trying to do and it kept asking me for a password :'( |
| 10:55.08 | vivia | or just denied access... or whatever... anything but working |
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| 11:01.51 | qrng | Good morning! |
| 11:04.05 | timotei | morning |
| 11:05.22 | kblin | whoa |
| 11:05.38 | kblin | I just got bored and fast-forwarded to 2007 |
| 11:06.39 | Chainsaw | To 2007? Where did you start off at? |
| 11:06.56 | qrng | I cannot wait to submit Final Evaluation questions and then be free at last. |
| 11:06.59 | kblin | 1995 |
| 11:07.45 | smtms | kblin, stop traveling back in time |
| 11:07.47 | timotei | qrng: hmm... 'be free'??? |
| 11:08.04 | timotei | wasn't this supposed to be 'fun'? |
| 11:08.07 | timotei | and enjoying? |
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| 11:09.08 | qrng | Make no mistake, it had been fun and I derived much pleasure from the project. |
| 11:09.31 | qrng | I do, however, have some other tasks at hands, what with moving to other and what not. |
| 11:09.42 | qrng | *to other country |
| 11:09.42 | timotei | right |
| 11:10.32 | kblin | ah, the git switch :) |
| 11:13.55 | qrng | You ain't gonna believe the audacity of bankers nowadays. :-X |
| 11:15.55 | qrng | You would think they don't earn enough money, seeing how they rob money for every single operation, including, I guess, farting in a bank. |
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| 13:00.09 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 15:40.47 | ebo | is there anything which is due by today's 17:00PST deadline? |
| 15:41.14 | ebo | I've read the timeline BTW, and it looks like noting is due, just a stop work order. |
| 15:41.29 | lolfrenz | yes, I don't really understand that |
| 15:41.44 | ebo | I'll post to the list then. |
| 15:41.44 | lolfrenz | I mean, what's going to happen, suddenly ask my project admin to remove my svn access one second after the deadline? |
| 15:41.57 | lolfrenz | I don't really get what happens when this deadline comes |
| 15:42.24 | Wyk3d | lolfrenz: nothing, you can continue coding, but you will be evaluated based on what you did until now |
| 15:42.33 | horlicks | I think it may just be for mentors to decide whether to pass/fail |
| 15:43.13 | lolfrenz | horlicks, the mentors don't have to make a decision before the deadline, do they? |
| 15:43.49 | horlicks | I honestly have no idea, this is just what I think will happen |
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| 15:44.43 | cggaurav | There is a deadline today for filling up the final evaluation form. |
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| 15:45.18 | Wyk3d | lolfrenz, it just means that any work that you do after now will not be taken into consideration when deciding your fate .. the mentors just have another week to think |
| 15:45.46 | lolfrenz | well, it sounds up to the mentor what they should take into consideration though |
| 15:45.58 | gevaerts | cggaurav: no |
| 15:46.36 | ojwb | lolfrenz: it's taken on trust, but this is the cut-off we're asked to use |
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| 15:46.55 | lolfrenz | I see |
| 15:47.01 | ojwb | it's pretty unlikely a few extra days will change the answer though |
| 15:48.08 | ebo | cggaurav: where is the filan evaluation form? I thought the evaluation forms were due 8/20, and we cannot fill them in until after the deadline. |
| 15:48.37 | lolfrenz | ebo, you are correct. |
| 15:49.18 | ebo | lolfrenz: thanks! I just wanted to make sure that I was not going to miss filling something out and fail because of that ;-) |
| 15:49.42 | lolfrenz | you could double-check, I might be wrong |
| 15:49.48 | lolfrenz | but I doubt it |
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| 15:51.10 | cggaurav | ebo: I am confused - aren't we supposed to submit final evaluation forms today? |
| 15:51.28 | ebo | lolfrenz: I did, and that is why I am asking here ;-) |
| 15:51.30 | cggaurav | ebo: 16th August. |
| 15:52.01 | lolfrenz | August 16: |
| 15:52.01 | lolfrenz | 19:00 UTC |
| 15:52.01 | lolfrenz | Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. |
| 15:52.03 | lolfrenz | can *begin* |
| 15:52.05 | ebo | cggaurav: the time lines sais the final eval is due 8/20 |
| 15:52.32 | lolfrenz | why would you think you have to send them today heh |
| 15:53.22 | cggaurav | ebo: Got ya - so does everyone get to submit final evaluations or just the students who pass? |
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| 15:53.51 | lolfrenz | passing students will be announced after google receives all the final evaluations (from both mentors and students) |
| 15:54.07 | ebo | I would imagine everyone, but that is a Carols question. |
| 15:54.37 | ebo | cggaurav: I hope you are in the passing category... |
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| 15:54.40 | smtms | everyone |
| 15:54.50 | lolfrenz | as I said, whether you pass or not will be decided after you send your evaluation. |
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| 15:55.26 | Waren | yo |
| 15:55.27 | Wyk3d | lolfrenz, technically the mentors can submit their report sooner :) |
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| 15:55.35 | lolfrenz | oh, or were you referring to students that didn't pass/did pass the first half? |
| 15:56.01 | lolfrenz | I assume if you didn't pass the first half you don't need to send the final evaluation |
| 15:56.26 | lolfrenz | anyway, do the students get evaluated by their mentors only? or by project admins too? |
| 15:56.33 | ebo | I'm going back to cleaning up my code... see you, and best to all... |
| 15:56.37 | ojwb | mentors |
| 15:56.59 | lolfrenz | then why do organization administrators have to submit an evaluation for? |
| 15:57.04 | ojwb | there's an optional survey for admins, but it wasn't about specific students last year IIRC |
| 15:57.04 | lolfrenz | s/for// |
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| 15:57.10 | Wyk3d | lolfrenz, that depends on the org, they're free to decide as they wish .. just the mentor submits the eval |
| 15:57.44 | ojwb | that's true - the admin may provide input to the mentor's survey, as may other mentors |
| 15:57.59 | ojwb | that's down to the org and how they want to do things |
| 15:58.38 | vivia | !next |
| 15:58.39 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
| 15:58.47 | vivia | !timeline |
| 15:58.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 15:59.50 | vivia | ah so it is 19:00 utc |
| 16:00.06 | kblin | meh |
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| 16:00.46 | vivia | that should be Aug 17th already in some countries |
| 16:01.14 | cggaurav | wishes the best of luck for all participants. May you be with your organization. |
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| 16:02.02 | hiddenpearls | to declare as passed, Is it necessary to be complete the project 100% ?? |
| 16:02.15 | smtms | hiddenpearls, depends on your mentor |
| 16:02.24 | ebo | Wait, is that 12:00(noon) california time or 5:00pm their time. Does anyone have a countdown ;-) |
| 16:02.25 | smtms | some may require 110% |
| 16:02.33 | smtms | ebo, it's 19:00 UTC |
| 16:02.53 | hiddenpearls | some may require 90% ? |
| 16:04.04 | smtms | ebo, "date -u" is a useful command |
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| 16:04.29 | gevaerts | Does the *exact* time really matter for today's deadline? |
| 16:04.38 | smtms | gevaerts, yes, to the microsecond |
| 16:04.44 | sfb | hahah |
| 16:04.54 | gevaerts | right. Sorrt then |
| 16:04.56 | gevaerts | *sorry |
| 16:05.43 | ebo | smtms: right... Forgot about date -u |
| 16:06.21 | ebo | gevaerts: rememebr the proposal deadline when someone got a first draft in with less than 1.23 seconds to spare ;-) |
| 16:06.55 | gevaerts | ebo: yes, but that's a hard cutoff time. This one is the *start* of evaluations |
| 16:07.17 | ebo | The resaon I asked about the deadline is that I had it in my head 5:00pm california time which is 7:00pm local. and wanted to clean things up as much as possible. |
| 16:07.57 | gevaerts | All gsoc deadlines have been 19:00 UTC since a few years now. One would expect people to get used to it |
| 16:08.11 | smtms | gevaerts, especially people who participate for the first time |
| 16:08.20 | ojwb | ebo: it doesn't really matter - if you want to clean things up, just do it, and don't worry about exactly how much of it will be counted by your mentor when judging your work |
| 16:08.31 | gevaerts | smtms: for those this is also about the eleventh 19:00 UTC deadline |
| 16:09.22 | smtms | gevaerts, students never learn, didn't you learn that? :-) |
| 16:09.47 | gevaerts | Of course not! I was a student when I was first told that! |
| 16:12.56 | ebo | gevaerts: I remembered the 1700 when I first looked it up, and then forgot it was UTC. Sorry. |
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| 16:15.08 | ebo | smtms: just trying to be above board here. laters, |
| 16:16.42 | MatthewWilkes | smtms: It's at times like this that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young. |
| 16:17.00 | smtms | MatthewWilkes, what did she tell you? |
| 16:17.07 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: what do you think she might have said? |
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| 16:17.32 | MatthewWilkes | smtms: I don't know, I didn't listen |
| 16:17.36 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: :) |
| 16:17.44 | ojwb | tish boom |
| 16:17.52 | MatthewWilkes | Good old DNA |
| 16:17.56 | carldani | "If you can't hack the time server of your mentor, you deserve to finish on time." |
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| 16:43.33 | ebo | Yea, I had the joys of spending about a month discovering that I hit a kernel level bug, writing minimal test cases, then replicating the functionality I needed. So, when I finially got all *that* done, I've been playing catchup. My mentor verified the bug, and apparently like the work so far, but I am not as far along as I had hoped. |
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| 16:49.31 | bawr | ebo: I think many students (myself included) thought they'd be further along by now. But the awesome part of GSoC is that you can stay and keep at it. :) |
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| 16:54.09 | ebo | bawr: I know, and my project is something that I intend to keep as one of my lifes works (in fact this is the 3'rd major attemt at the project in 20 years, and I have published papers on the subject). I just did not expect to but heads with the kernel is all. |
| 16:54.59 | ebo | 5 minuites to deadline BTW... |
| 16:56.11 | whe | ebo: 2:05 ;) |
| 16:56.14 | gevaerts | Wrong! |
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| 16:56.52 | gevaerts | 19:00 *UTC* |
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| 17:05.26 | pdelgallego | carols, About the code submit. I wrote some code that is still under review. that code should be considered to be included in the code that I should send to google? |
| 17:06.01 | carols | pdelgallego: yes, if you complete it before 19:00 today, you should include it whenever regardless of when its reviewed |
| 17:06.23 | pdelgallego | carols, ok, thank you |
| 17:06.32 | carols | pdelgallego: yw |
| 17:07.02 | gevaerts | But what if you type it in at 18:59 but only save at 19:01? ;) |
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| 17:07.33 | lolfrenz | your mentor might just forgive you. |
| 17:08.21 | carols | gevaerts: you have to stop work at 19:00, so what you save at 19:01 doesn't count, sorry :-) |
| 17:08.54 | gevaerts | hm |
| 17:09.03 | gevaerts | Maybe it's a good thing I'm not a student then :) |
| 17:09.42 | gevaerts | Oh, wait, what if I use autosave? Surely the editor saving on its own doesn't count as work? |
| 17:10.39 | carols | gevaerts: if you stop work at 19:00 then its all good. what your computer does for you at that point is secondary :-) |
| 17:11.13 | gevaerts | Excellent! |
| 17:11.18 | gevaerts | can breathe again |
| 17:12.01 | ebo | whe/gevaerts -- headslap... |
| 17:13.40 | Gracenotes | code submission isn't for some time though |
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| 17:14.13 | Gracenotes | it would make some sense to get it prepared now though |
| 17:14.19 | Gracenotes | [...] though |
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| 17:15.29 | pdelgallego | Gracenotes, yes, that why I asked. I going to have some vacations. So i going to pack all the diff files and rest in the beach. |
| 17:17.56 | carldani | The mentors list thread is awesome: "[GSoC is] a pretty sweet internship [...] you do not have to wear pants" |
| 17:18.08 | Gracenotes | also -- since I was involved in the community prior to GSOC, I might continue working on the codebase, but as a maintainer, not a full-time project. |
| 17:18.44 | Gracenotes | so in case I make any modifications at 19:01, the body of work during the summer should be a distinct corpus from anything else |
| 17:19.19 | Gracenotes | that's the idea, right? |
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| 17:20.22 | bawr | Basically. Save a snapshot of your work prior to the deadline for review / later upload, then do your stuff. |
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| 17:22.40 | Sylnai | finished my GSoC project on pitivi+jokosher integration |
| 17:22.40 | Sylnai | http://users.aber.ac.uk/apm9/wordpress/ |
| 17:22.40 | Sylnai | if anyone's interested |
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| 17:22.43 | bkgood | carldani: not having to wear pants has easily been in the top 5 best parts of gsoc |
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| 17:43.50 | josip | how can I fill in the final evaluation? (I am a student) I can't find the link on the left in melange |
| 17:44.04 | timotei | josip: starting on 19 UTC |
| 17:44.05 | Gracenotes | don't think it's out yet |
| 17:44.08 | gevaerts | josip: you wait until 19:00 UTC |
| 17:44.17 | Gracenotes | try again in 80 minutes though |
| 17:44.37 | josip | okay, thanks |
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| 17:52.23 | LetterRip | !timeline |
| 17:52.24 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 17:52.51 | LetterRip | hi all, timeline shows as evaluations being open now -but I just tried and it isn't |
| 17:52.58 | LetterRip | just wait longer? |
| 17:53.01 | carols | LetterRip: you have another houw |
| 17:53.03 | carols | hour |
| 17:53.17 | LetterRip | checks clock again :) |
| 17:53.29 | gevaerts | is constantly surprised about the difficulty people have with time zones :) |
| 17:53.32 | LetterRip | doh! |
| 17:53.33 | kblin | hey carols |
| 17:53.35 | LetterRip | sorry |
| 17:53.40 | carols | hi kblin :-) |
| 17:53.47 | kblin | LetterRip: CEST is +0200 |
| 17:53.49 | LetterRip | 5:51+12 |
| 17:53.57 | LetterRip | kblin - yeah i know |
| 17:54.04 | LetterRip | somehow did the math bad in my head :) |
| 17:54.11 | LetterRip | like i said - doh! |
| 17:54.16 | kblin | happens |
| 17:54.23 | kblin | at least you got the day right :) |
| 17:54.51 | kblin | LetterRip: when in doubt: |
| 17:54.52 | kblin | !when |
| 17:54.53 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 17:54.54 | gevaerts | It's *today*? |
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| 17:55.50 | ebo | gevaerts: ROFLOL |
| 17:56.05 | ebo | Orders for today must be placed by noon tomorrow... |
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| 18:01.17 | lolfrenz | \o/ |
| 18:02.45 | LetterRip | !when |
| 18:02.45 | socinfo | "when" is later |
| 18:03.31 | LetterRip | Actuall the reason i got it wrong was somehow read 19:00 as 17:00 |
| 18:03.35 | LetterRip | y |
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| 18:04.15 | lolfrenz | !next |
| 18:04.16 | socinfo | "next" is August 16th: Firm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. Also see !timeline for mor info. |
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| 18:05.56 | lolfrenz | is it over? or is there one hour left? |
| 18:05.57 | nsm | so I don't have to do anything immediately other than stop coding right? i have 4 days for the evals |
| 18:06.23 | gevaerts | lolfrenz: yes |
| 18:06.36 | carols | nsm: yes, and then on aug. 30 you can submit your code. as long as your do your evaluation this week you can relax for a while |
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| 18:06.54 | nsm | carols: great. thanks |
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| 18:06.59 | carols | yw |
| 18:07.30 | vpovirk | I should be able to start filling out a final evaluation now, right? |
| 18:07.40 | carols | vpovirk: in an hour |
| 18:07.48 | vpovirk | ah, ok |
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| 18:12.25 | LetterRip | 48 minutes... |
| 18:13.23 | timotei | man... this is so exciting |
| 18:13.41 | bkgood | yeah I'm rushing to be ready to take diffs lol |
| 18:13.55 | bkgood | since I'm not sure if I can get the same diffs if I do commits after the deadline |
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| 18:17.09 | timotei | bkgood: why not? |
| 18:17.20 | timotei | bkgood: just get the log till 16 August |
| 18:17.55 | bkgood | well I probably can, I just figure since I don't yet know that cranny of bazaar I might as well just do with what I know |
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| 18:27.10 | merwok | offers tea to carols |
| 18:27.19 | carols | sips some tea |
| 18:27.22 | carols | thanks merwok |
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| 18:27.30 | merwok | Youâre welcome. |
| 18:27.39 | asleo | hi carols |
| 18:27.54 | carols | hi asleo |
| 18:28.12 | YuviPanda | goes to sleep |
| 18:28.14 | merwok | I have bought some of those delicious honey things made for Ramadan |
| 18:28.15 | YuviPanda | gnite everyone |
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| 18:28.35 | merwok | Theyâre really good with mint green tea. |
| 18:29.17 | asleo | carols, does the students must create the tarball patch with our code until August 16, 19UCT? Or we can do it another day before August 30? |
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| 18:29.46 | carols | asleo: you can do it another day as long as you stop all your work by 19:00UTC today. |
| 18:29.58 | geoaxis | gsoc finishes in 30 minutes |
| 18:30.07 | asleo | carols, thanks :) |
| 18:30.13 | carols | yw |
| 18:30.37 | merwok | becomes a volunteer in 31 minutes and continues work :) |
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| 18:30.57 | gevaerts | reports merwok to the authorities |
| 18:31.32 | merwok | I wonât include that code in the tarball gevaerts ;) |
| 18:32.18 | tylercurtis | merwok: continues volunteering, you mean? :) |
| 18:32.48 | merwok | Well, I am not a volunteer right now. |
| 18:33.41 | Gracenotes | merwok: you're under arrest for voluntarily contributing to open source! *flips open badge* |
| 18:33.48 | timotei | :)) |
| 18:33.52 | merwok | I donât do open source. |
| 18:34.00 | merwok | puts on Free Software Hat |
| 18:34.02 | sfb | carols: Hello. |
| 18:34.09 | carols | sfb: hello. |
| 18:34.22 | Gracenotes | merwok: okay, you can go, as soon as we get a DNA sample |
| 18:34.27 | sfb | carols: I had my student create a new Google Code project to hold his work. |
| 18:34.44 | carols | sfb: it should go in your organization's repository once they're created. |
| 18:34.45 | sfb | carols: The only reason for this to exist is for GSoC and at the conclusion we'll merge his code into our own repo. |
| 18:34.45 | merwok | Gracenotes, please ask my local police office for that. |
| 18:34.48 | sfb | carols: Is taht sufficient? |
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| 18:35.13 | sfb | carols: Someone told him he needs to make another Google Code project and I didn't understand what he was being told to do... |
| 18:35.25 | kblin | sfb: well, there'll be a gsoc2010_worldforge repo he'll have to upload the code to |
| 18:35.33 | sfb | kblin: Ah, thank you. |
| 18:35.40 | kblin | sfb: but that will be created |
| 18:35.45 | carols | what kblin said :-) |
| 18:35.53 | sfb | kblin: I'll forward this info to him and let him know I'll tell him when it is available. |
| 18:35.58 | kblin | august 30th, as the !timeline said |
| 18:36.04 | merwok | A repo for tarballs, then? How... low-level. |
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| 18:36.43 | sfb | carols: So he can continue to work if he wants to.. we'll just use SVN to check otu the correct revision, yes? |
| 18:37.04 | sfb | aka he can work past today but I'll check out today's revision and have him submit that? |
| 18:37.18 | kblin | sfb: yeah, but only code from april 24th to today should be uploaded to that other repo |
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| 18:37.37 | carols | sfb: um, i think you're asking two different questions. he must stop all work on his project in 24 minutes for GSoC. |
| 18:37.40 | kblin | you could tag the current state or somesuch |
| 18:37.50 | carols | sfb: however, he can do whatever coding on his own time unrelated to GSoC he wants |
| 18:38.00 | sfb | carols: Yes, perfect. (= |
| 18:38.03 | bkgood | can the code samples include code from the bonding period? *crosses fingers* |
| 18:38.03 | carols | ok |
| 18:38.05 | sfb | kblin: That's a good idea. |
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| 18:38.25 | geoaxis | my last GSoC as a student hopefully |
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| 18:38.49 | smtms | geoaxis, hopefully? was particpating as a student that bad? |
| 18:39.11 | geoaxis | smtms, no no, it was wonderful, i just hate being a student now |
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| 18:39.46 | bkgood | geoaxis +1, I've loved being a gsoc student, being a real student is wearing on me :x |
| 18:39.50 | kblin | doing gsoc as a mentor is nice :) |
| 18:39.51 | geoaxis | ready to become a corporate mindless drone again |
| 18:40.13 | kblin | you get a t-shirt, and it's slightly less work |
| 18:40.26 | geoaxis | bkgood, i have an exam in 48 hours and I have half a kilogram of a book to read for it :P |
| 18:40.28 | vpovirk | only slightly? |
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| 18:40.35 | sfb | kblin: When do I get my t-shirt? (; |
| 18:40.36 | vpovirk | have I been doing this wrong? |
| 18:41.33 | geoaxis | sfb, which project you are in this gsoc |
| 18:41.50 | sfb | vpovirk: I think it depends on your student too. In OpenNMS one year we had some students with challenging projects and this year in Ryzom/Worldforge I had an awesome student with a non-trivial but mostly straightforward project. |
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| 18:42.17 | sfb | geoaxis: I'm under WorldForge's umbrella this year with a student working on Ryzom. |
| 18:42.35 | kblin | vpovirk: really depends on the student |
| 18:43.12 | kblin | vpovirk: ask Juan about the amoung to stupid questions he got from his student in 2005, compared to the student in 2006 |
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| 18:44.02 | anddam | hello |
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| 18:44.33 | kblin | waves |
| 18:46.01 | anddam | happy deadline to all |
| 18:46.03 | anddam | bye |
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| 18:51.42 | YuviPanda | should i switch back to vim to mark end of gsoc? |
| 18:52.00 | gevaerts | YuviPanda: you switched away from vim? |
| 18:52.03 | bkgood | YuviPanda: yes, but why did you ever leave it? |
| 18:52.09 | YuviPanda | yes, vim -> emacs |
| 18:52.19 | bkgood | ew |
| 18:52.21 | YuviPanda | bkgood: well, i was young, naive and 16. |
| 18:52.26 | bkgood | hahaha |
| 18:52.27 | YuviPanda | and parantheses were so sexy. |
| 18:52.28 | kblin | your pick, I guess |
| 18:52.55 | kblin | YuviPanda: you can keep writing lisp programs in vim, I guess |
| 18:52.57 | bkgood | yeah if you haven't been overly damaged by emacs by now I'd switch back asap |
| 18:53.15 | YuviPanda | kblin: well, i haven't written a single lispy program yet.... |
| 18:53.25 | Gracenotes | just in time to use emacs' gsoc final evaluation plugin |
| 18:53.38 | kblin | I'd switch to emacs if M-x write-my-thesis would do anything useful |
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| 18:54.22 | skatteola | You could write a wrapper that called tetris. |
| 18:54.32 | YuviPanda | now, if I move away from emacs |
| 18:54.38 | YuviPanda | what am I going to do for m-x butterfly? |
| 18:54.39 | YuviPanda | sigh |
| 18:54.47 | YuviPanda | and I'll have to learn to use irssi and screen :| |
| 18:55.25 | YuviPanda | hmm, i'm used to pressing tab to open up a completion buffer :| |
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| 18:56.29 | caden | i say maintain your knowledge of both so you can sidestep editor holy wars |
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| 18:56.43 | tylercurtis | Whether you should switch back depends on this question: Do you just need a text editor? Or do you want more than one of a text editor, organizer, web browser, IRC client, REPL for $preferred-language, games, shell, and whatever random crazy idea comes to mind? |
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| 18:57.05 | bkgood | tylercurtis: you forgot "operating system" |
| 18:57.25 | YuviPanda | i've been using emacs pretty much as a dumb text editor (except for ERC) |
| 18:57.30 | YuviPanda | so i think i'll stick to emacs for a while more |
| 18:57.35 | YuviPanda | and try to become more emacsy |
| 18:57.38 | YuviPanda | and ditch my terminal |
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| 18:58.30 | Gracenotes | emacs is good for simple editing. nano too, but nano isn't always installed. |
| 18:59.01 | gevaerts | These days nano is installed too often |
| 18:59.03 | smtms | as if emacs is always installed |
| 18:59.13 | YuviPanda | Gracenotes: i can't use emacs over putty (from windows machines at college) :( |
| 18:59.26 | tylercurtis | uses Emacs even though he mostly just uses it for text editing largely because he's used to its buffer management and using tab for completion. |
| 18:59.37 | YuviPanda | is tylercurtis |
| 18:59.40 | Gracenotes | where I shell into, this seems to be the case |
| 18:59.41 | timotei | 1 MINUTE!!!!!!!! |
| 18:59.53 | smtms | more like 3 |
| 18:59.57 | timotei | hmm |
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| 18:59.59 | timotei | ni |
| 19:00.27 | memowe | O HAI |
| 19:00.31 | memowe | It's over |
| 19:00.37 | timotei | yep |
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| 19:00.45 | gevaerts | waits for the autosave feature |
| 19:00.46 | timotei | GJ everyone |
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| 19:02.00 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is over! - Coding has finished (see the !timeline) - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd |
| 19:02.02 | ebo | drats... just finished fixing the sort feature. Should have put hg on autosave (winks at gevaerts ;-) |
| 19:02.31 | gevaerts | tells ebo about the interesting options of the touch command :) |
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| 19:04.16 | Upthorn | !timeline |
| 19:04.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
| 19:04.46 | ebo | gevaerts: I can intrepret that in SO many ways ;-) |
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| 19:05.07 | gevaerts | ebo: I should have specified "touch(1)" |
| 19:05.15 | gevaerts | Not that that would help :) |
| 19:05.17 | timotei | umm |
| 19:06.48 | kblin | and here I thought you'd have to be an adult to participate in GSoC. |
| 19:06.57 | Gracenotes | so which mentor was selected for the "Mentor's Summit at Google"? |
| 19:06.58 | kblin | but of course you just need to be 18, not an adult |
| 19:07.15 | merwok | Heh |
| 19:07.23 | ebo | As far as I know hg does not have an an autoupdate command. |
| 19:07.23 | gevaerts | kblin: that limit is only for students, not mentors! |
| 19:07.28 | merwok | I have been called a teen hax0r in this chatroom. Was fun. |
| 19:07.29 | kblin | that as well |
| 19:08.07 | kblin | ebo: you can probably set up a cron job |
| 19:09.24 | ebo | kblin: true, but that seems messy for something rather trivial. |
| 19:09.38 | gevaerts | dislikes the Melange question |
| 19:11.57 | gevaerts | How do I say "Yes, but there were some really annoying bugs"? |
| 19:13.35 | kblin | uuh.. |
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| 19:14.04 | kblin | why do I have a link telling me to fill out a mentor final survey? |
| 19:14.17 | Upthorn | were you a mentor? |
| 19:14.26 | kblin | there's no survey for me to fill out though |
| 19:14.34 | ebo | kblin: I was not sure what gevaerts meant earlier. He had been razing me a little about forgetting the deadline was UTC. I thought he might have been razing me more. I finished the last feature at exactly 17:00UTC, but did not get it uploeaded to the repository. I am not sure it counts. Probably does not matter either way. |
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| 19:14.54 | kblin | Upthorn: yeah, but my student failed mid-term |
| 19:15.03 | Upthorn | Ah. |
| 19:15.04 | kblin | ebo: ask your mentor :) |
| 19:15.23 | Upthorn | Ouch. |
| 19:15.36 | Upthorn | I don't think the org I was with this year failed anybody midterm. |
| 19:15.54 | Upthorn | If they did, it was the one student that didn't come on IRC |
| 19:15.54 | kblin | my student got himself a summer job and thought he could do both |
| 19:16.10 | kblin | turns out he couldn't |
| 19:16.27 | Upthorn | :\ |
| 19:16.29 | kblin | he didn't admit that he got a job for quite a while, of course |
| 19:16.59 | carldani | woo, it's over |
| 19:17.02 | gevaerts | Was it a summer job at Google? |
| 19:17.08 | Upthorn | well, that was a stupid mistake on his part. |
| 19:17.24 | ebo | kblin: I thought Carols said nothing after that. Probably not important. I can add it but not turn in that changeset to Google (as I understand anything we do from here on out is not to be turned into Google, but we can still work on stuff). |
| 19:17.35 | Upthorn | The mentors can't tailor their expectations to your neds if you do not explain your needs. :) |
| 19:17.54 | Upthorn | or needs even. |
| 19:18.14 | kblin | gevaerts: I don't think so, don't know, and don't care |
| 19:18.31 | ebo | kblin: sorry to hear. |
| 19:18.42 | kblin | gevaerts: actually, a job at google is an insta-fail, if recall the TOS correctly |
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| 19:18.51 | gevaerts | Ah, true |
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| 19:20.22 | kblin | Upthorn: right, but we've also been very, very clear on expecting the student to put a regular work-week's worth of effort into the project |
| 19:21.08 | merwok | ebo: The whole point of GSoC is to involve you in a community and continue doing stuff after the summer :) |
| 19:21.43 | YuviPanda_ | why am I *suddenly* scared of failing gsoc? |
| 19:21.47 | kblin | I can't say I agree with the ml posts that claim the student's code has to be perfect, but I'm not willing to scale down a 40h/week project to 10h/week because you got yourself another job |
| 19:24.19 | gevaerts | sometimes gets the feeling that the mentors ML is a place where people try to outdo each other on righteousness issues |
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| 19:27.11 | kblin | gevaerts: hehe, sometimes the fact that mentors seem to be pretty bad at mailing list etiquette is a bit worrying |
| 19:27.19 | gevaerts | That too |
| 19:28.03 | kblin | but I guess on any mailing list with 3k+ people, you get a dozen that will feel strong enough about a topic to ignore the rules |
| 19:28.15 | merwok | I think Iâll miss the spam/anti-spam/anti-anti-spam-spam flames, as well as thoroughly irrelevant messages like the one about StarCraft. |
| 19:28.18 | schumaml | unfortunately many mentors haven't been introduced to list etiquette anymore |
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| 19:28.41 | gevaerts | Anyway, the idea I get from the mailing list is that most projects have perfect initial selection procedures, they all spot bad students immediately and fail them right away, and there are no borderline cases ever |
| 19:29.07 | schumaml | in my time, this was a strongly recommended lecture at university ;) |
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| 19:32.03 | alexandru | schumaml: i generally also recommend esr's "how to ask questions the smart way" as a good additional reading |
| 19:32.26 | kblin | gevaerts: sure. your's isn't perfect? |
| 19:32.41 | gevaerts | kblin: well, actually, this year my student is perfect yes :) |
| 19:32.42 | Upthorn | YuviPanda: if you were failing gsoc, you would have known before now that you were in danger of it |
| 19:32.51 | darkip | yay, all filled in :) |
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| 19:32.55 | gevaerts | looks around |
| 19:33.00 | gevaerts | OK, he isn't in this channel |
| 19:33.26 | smtms | gevaerts, but the channel is logged ;-) |
| 19:33.29 | schumaml | alexandru: and how often do you get yelled at for this rudeness, or get told to get a life because real people don't care about this? ;) |
| 19:33.47 | kblin | Upthorn: unless you have a mentor who suddenly notices your work isn't up to snuff and asks on the holier-than-thou list ;) |
| 19:33.49 | Upthorn | oh, right, chatzilla isn't showing joins or parts |
| 19:34.06 | kblin | actually he parted after you said that |
| 19:34.10 | alexandru | schumaml: the response is, overwhelmingly, "tl;dr" |
| 19:34.25 | Upthorn | kblin: in that case, I would argue that the mentor did his job poorly. |
| 19:34.54 | kblin | I agree with ojwb on this. I doubt we got the whole picture there |
| 19:35.00 | merwok | A careful student will ping his mentor if there is no regular communication. |
| 19:35.09 | kblin | which does make the whole thread a bit pointless |
| 19:35.17 | kblin | merwok: so I would hope |
| 19:35.56 | kblin | as an org administrator, I try to make a point in the welcome email to the students that if they should run into trouble with their mentor, they should contact me |
| 19:36.19 | darkip | I've been out of communication with my mentor for around 2 weeks |
| 19:36.33 | darkip | I've had the organisation head and other mentors trying to contact him too but to no avail |
| 19:36.42 | darkip | (in addition to trying to contact him myself of course) |
| 19:36.44 | kblin | real life happens some time |
| 19:36.47 | darkip | yeah |
| 19:37.00 | merwok | I was in a group of six students and six mentors, so even if my own was busy a lot, I kept in touch each week with the group. That helped. |
| 19:37.00 | kblin | has phone numbers of his mentors for cases like that |
| 19:38.38 | alexandru | has mad dox on his mentor, too. |
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| 19:38.58 | alexandru | i'm incredibly thankful and fortunate to have met my mentor in person... and most of my org, for that matter. |
| 19:41.03 | kblin | alexandru: that's always nice |
| 19:41.37 | kblin | I've met most of the samba team a year before doing my gsoc there |
| 19:41.49 | kblin | that made working with them much easier |
| 19:42.08 | kblin | communication always works better if you know the face behind an email address or irc nick |
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| 19:54.48 | kblin | carols: great reply, btw |
| 19:55.12 | carols | kblin: thanks :-) |
| 19:55.14 | timotei | hmm, why the logs for current day aren't on logs? |
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| 19:55.46 | timotei | s/on logs/on logs site |
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| 19:58.39 | Upthorn | oh, right #gsoc is logged also. |
| 19:58.51 | kblin | so we only hire superstar students.. I guess he'd have missed out on angie and me, then |
| 19:58.52 | Upthorn | at first I thought you meant to ask this in the other channel we are both in. |
| 19:59.22 | kblin | frowns |
| 19:59.59 | Upthorn | ... where are the logs for #gsoc? |
| 20:00.12 | kblin | !logs |
| 20:00.13 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:01.05 | Upthorn | huh. there really aren't any logs for aug 16th up. |
| 20:01.23 | timotei | yes |
| 20:01.41 | Upthorn | I was hoping it would be a time zone issue where it was aug 17th where you are |
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| 20:16.19 | hiddenpearls | carols: how many students were failed in midterm this year ? |
| 20:16.40 | carols | hiddenpearls: 10% |
| 20:16.57 | merwok | Wow. 102? |
| 20:17.08 | timotei | 102.4 |
| 20:17.09 | timotei | :P |
| 20:17.19 | kblin | carols: that's probably pretty much the same percentage as in the last years |
| 20:17.24 | kblin | I guess |
| 20:17.28 | carols | kblin: yep, right on target :-) |
| 20:17.35 | carols | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-summer-of-code-midterm.html |
| 20:18.11 | gevaerts | timotei: one of them was an edge case |
| 20:18.13 | hiddenpearls | carols: i see |
| 20:18.20 | timotei | :P |
| 20:18.20 | kblin | hehe |
| 20:18.57 | kblin | anyhow, I expect that we finish with a 85%-83% success rate |
| 20:19.23 | hiddenpearls | carols: what is normally success rate at finals ? |
| 20:19.25 | kblin | we had that the last years, and I'd expect that less people fail in the second half of the program |
| 20:19.32 | kblin | hiddenpearls: see above |
| 20:19.44 | carols | hiddenpearls: about the same as midterms |
| 20:19.54 | hiddenpearls | kblin: ok |
| 20:20.44 | kblin | hiddenpearls: that is of the total number of students that started, even higher if you only count students who passed the mid-term |
| 20:21.24 | kblin | in my experience most clear fails are already a failure at mid-term |
| 20:22.03 | kblin | "hopefully the student will improve after mid-term" hardly ever works out, drawing from the collective wisdom at the mentor summit |
| 20:22.16 | carols | and in the mentor manual :-) |
| 20:22.24 | hiddenpearls | kblin: ;) |
| 20:22.27 | kblin | carols: same thing, actually |
| 20:23.21 | kblin | there's exceptions, of course |
| 20:23.26 | carols | yep |
| 20:23.38 | gevaerts | "Hopefully next year's student will be better" :) |
| 20:24.09 | kblin | gevaerts: sure, because then you'll have a perfect selection procedure, right? |
| 20:24.18 | gevaerts | Of course! |
| 20:24.24 | gevaerts | is on the mailing list after all! |
| 20:24.47 | merwok | This ML looks like fun. |
| 20:25.06 | hiddenpearls | kblin: perfect selection procedure ? |
| 20:25.16 | kblin | merwok: it's better than the student's mailing list, most of the time |
| 20:25.38 | merwok | Better as in quality or entertainment? |
| 20:25.55 | merwok | hiddenpearls: Itâs a joke started some hours earlier. |
| 20:26.12 | kblin | hiddenpearls: yeah, I've got it written down in my notebook, right next to my cold fusion reciepe |
| 20:26.15 | gevaerts | hiddenpearls: yes. It's not documented of course, everyone who needs it already knows it |
| 20:26.31 | hiddenpearls | ok guys !! |
| 20:26.43 | kblin | merwok: both, less overall noise, I'd say |
| 20:26.51 | merwok | Cool. |
| 20:27.00 | kblin | more flame wars, and some really useful threads |
| 20:27.13 | kblin | no "anybody from XYZ?" at all |
| 20:27.17 | gevaerts | missed the "Hello" thread this year |
| 20:27.22 | merwok | Flame wars about that? |
| 20:27.36 | gevaerts | merwok: about perfect selection procedures :) |
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| 20:27.57 | kblin | merwok: sure. the list is full of community leaders, who need to show they lead better than other leaders |
| 20:28.02 | merwok | I should be a mentor some day. I love teaching / bildung. |
| 20:28.03 | hiddenpearls | guys, is there any student who are married and have children and participating in gsoc this year ? |
| 20:28.12 | kblin | or whatever the rationale is |
| 20:28.20 | merwok | Fetishes, hiddenpearls? |
| 20:28.46 | gevaerts | kblin: I actually suspect they're all slightly below the leader level, so they have to show that they're able to handle the responsibility |
| 20:28.51 | kblin | hiddenpearls: I don't think that's part of the usual application questions |
| 20:29.20 | kblin | gevaerts: right. the project leads tend to be too busy to participate |
| 20:29.33 | kblin | or too smart |
| 20:29.39 | kblin | both, I guess |
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| 20:29.51 | gevaerts | Yes. Maybe I blew my cover by participating in that thread today |
| 20:30.31 | kblin | indeed |
| 20:30.52 | gevaerts | But then so did you :) |
| 20:31.11 | kblin | I tried to end the thread |
| 20:31.15 | kblin | 0:) |
| 20:31.37 | kblin | also, I'm not a community leader |
| 20:31.38 | gevaerts | smiles at kblin's youthful optimism :) |
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| 20:33.24 | gevaerts | "community leader" is a vague term anyway |
| 20:33.41 | kblin | WF has no community lead. we're a really comfy anarchy |
| 20:33.44 | carols | serves tea, coffee and shortbread cookies |
| 20:33.52 | carols | munches a cookie |
| 20:34.03 | kblin | ah, tea |
| 20:34.10 | gevaerts | adds some stroopwafels to the offering |
| 20:34.20 | gevaerts | sips tea |
| 20:34.22 | kblin | !cake |
| 20:34.23 | socinfo | "cake" is Cake used to be a lie, until lh got us some. |
| 20:34.55 | memowe | carols: actually, I found some bugs in cookie handling these days - and wrote tests for that. ;) |
| 20:35.05 | memowe | But tea is here: http://www.netzverwaltung.info/tea.pl/ |
| 20:35.10 | carols | memowe: nice job :-) have some tea for your efforts? |
| 20:35.13 | gevaerts | memowe: were they sorted correctly? |
| 20:35.36 | memowe | gevaerts: yes, but some didn't stringify very well. ;) |
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| 20:36.00 | timotei | meh... |
| 20:36.08 | timotei | memowe: ... I want 1k cups:( |
| 20:36.30 | gevaerts | knows some people who blog about cookie sorting :) |
| 20:36.44 | memowe | timotei: no problem, just put it on your server and change this line: my $tea = qr/[1-9]\d{0,2}/; |
| 20:36.52 | kblin | gevaerts: yeah, bucket sort |
| 20:37.02 | kblin | gevaerts: or rather a variant, box sort |
| 20:37.21 | kblin | a box of all those that I like, and a box of those that we'll give to other people |
| 20:37.30 | memowe | carols: I'm more the soda guy, you know? ;) #tea |
| 20:37.48 | carols | serves some soda |
| 20:37.51 | carols | :-) |
| 20:37.54 | memowe | yay! :) |
| 20:38.05 | kblin | you can fizz up some tea or coffee? |
| 20:38.12 | carols | plops down on the open source couch and reads email |
| 20:38.14 | gevaerts | kblin: those are useful indeed, but I was thinking of http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2010/01/20/cookie-order/ :) |
| 20:40.54 | kblin | aw |
| 20:41.12 | kblin | I prefer edible cookies |
| 20:41.45 | gevaerts | That's of course a very defensible opinion |
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| 20:44.00 | gevaerts | munches some box-sorted cookies |
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| 20:44.39 | kblin | not sure if I get the point of the blog post, though |
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| 20:46.59 | gevaerts | Not much if you're not implementing http clients I guess |
| 20:47.25 | gevaerts | They do have a cookie working group though. That has to count for *something* |
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| 20:56.45 | gevaerts | Has anyone else here seen their answer to the first question in the evaluation disappear? I keep clicking again and resubmitting, but every time I open the survey again the checkbox is cleared |
| 20:57.18 | timotei | maybe you're choosing the wrong answer:P |
| 20:57.38 | gevaerts | Ah, that could be it! |
| 20:57.48 | timotei | :) |
| 20:57.56 | gevaerts | tells his student to quickly change the project |
| 20:58.01 | timotei | lol |
| 20:58.01 | timotei | :D |
| 20:58.48 | kblin | gevaerts: but you can't trust user-supplied input |
| 20:59.14 | gevaerts | kblin: sure, but in this case it's not me who has to trust it :) |
| 20:59.25 | kblin | gevaerts: so if you rely on the order of cookies, you're setting yourself up for trouble |
| 20:59.40 | gevaerts | kblin: yes, that's basically the big issue |
| 21:00.21 | gevaerts | What if you get the chocolate chip cookie before you've had your fortune cookie? |
| 21:01.10 | kblin | yummy? |
| 21:01.22 | gevaerts | It would be all wrong! |
| 21:01.55 | gevaerts | You shouldn't get chocolate chip cookies in a place that gives fortune cookies at all! |
| 21:03.00 | kblin | gevaerts: if it's a good chocolate chip cookie, I don't care |
| 21:03.09 | kblin | anyway, SIGBED |
| 21:03.17 | gevaerts | Goodnight :) |
| 21:03.44 | Kosma | kblin: don't forget alarm(8*3600); |
| 21:04.09 | gevaerts | And make sure to set up the signal handler! |
| 21:04.18 | gevaerts | You don't want to get killed by the alarm() |
| 21:04.30 | infinity0 | 7 is better :p |
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| 21:05.10 | gevaerts | suspects that infinity0 is referring to the "Scheduling delays can, as ever, cause the execution of the process to be delayed by an arbitrary amount of time" detail |
| 21:05.20 | Kosma | infinity0: any amount is good as long as it's hardcoded in crontab :) |
| 21:05.30 | infinity0 | lol |
| 21:05.40 | infinity0 | and no i was referring to hours of sleep per night |
| 21:06.29 | Kosma | me too. you can live with much less sleep if you go to bed at the same hour every night ;) |
| 21:10.06 | Upthorn | 7.5 is actually better than 7 or 8 for most people |
| 21:10.43 | Upthorn | in general sleep cycles last 90 minutes, and the really important bit is in the last 30 |
| 21:11.47 | Upthorn | and there's some obnoxiousness that happens when they're interrupted. |
| 21:12.13 | gevaerts | Yes, but how precise is that 90 minutes? |
| 21:13.05 | Upthorn | Well, unfortunately, every human brain is different, and it depends quite a bit on the exact balance of sleep hormones and processing byproducts in the brain |
| 21:13.19 | Upthorn | but the average comes out pretty close |
| 21:13.41 | gevaerts | 7.5 hours means 5 cycles. a 5 minute difference per cycle means 7 or 8 hours |
| 21:15.26 | Upthorn | wikipedia says 90 to 110 |
| 21:15.58 | Upthorn | but what happens is that if you sleep in a particular pattern, the cycle length adjusts |
| 21:16.08 | gevaerts | right |
| 21:16.45 | gevaerts | So it doesn't matter, as long as you sleep a different amount of time every day to keep your brain off-balance |
| 21:27.10 | Kosma | http://www.mdlabs.se/sleepcycle/ |
| 21:27.14 | Kosma | have you seen this? |
| 21:27.21 | Kosma | a $1 iPhone app... |
| 21:28.23 | Kosma | if one accelerometer can do the job, I'm gonna give it a try and hack something together, I think I still have some spare accelerometers in the toolbox |
| 21:28.28 | Kosma | way cheaper than an iPhone |
| 21:29.06 | gevaerts | An accelerometer also can't wake you up just because someone else wants to talk to you |
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| 22:12.16 | LunohoD | carols: Hi. When are you going to ship the t-shirts and the certificates? I'll move to another city in two weeks. |
| 22:12.28 | carols | LunohoD: it depends on where you live. |
| 22:12.36 | LunohoD | I live in Germany |
| 22:13.10 | carols | LunohoD: those will probably be shipped the week of 8/30, arriving later that week or early the week of 9/6 |
| 22:13.27 | merwok | so confused each time he sees a US date |
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| 22:13.50 | merwok | wishes the world used UTC and RFC 3339 date notation |
| 22:15.48 | vpovirk | it wouldn't be so bad if no one were using middle endian dates |
| 22:16.45 | merwok | Being at the start of a century makes things worse when people use one or two-digit numbers. |
| 22:16.49 | LunohoD | carols: well, I'll be certainly at the new place after 8/27, so I'll just update the address information before moving. Thanks! |
| 22:16.56 | carols | LunohoD: yw |
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