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| 05:28.50 | thebolt | Morning |
| 05:41.51 | netepal | any Gsoc developer here? |
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| 05:59.28 | kblin | morning |
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| 06:10.42 | netepal | Any recent GSOC 2010 participant there? |
| 06:13.14 | netepal | hello krkhan? |
| 06:13.49 | netepal | hello there? |
| 06:22.22 | thebolt | hi kblin , how do you do today? |
| 06:27.18 | kblin | fine, though a bit lazy |
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| 08:52.25 | thebolt | hm, activity here kind of died again :) |
| 08:54.07 | MatthewWilkes | does starjumps |
| 08:54.12 | thebolt | hi MatthewWilkes .) |
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| 08:54.18 | thebolt | how could I guess that you would be active? ;) |
| 08:54.26 | gevaerts | drinks coffee |
| 08:54.28 | MatthewWilkes | Hehe |
| 08:54.44 | MopperWhite | I`m late |
| 08:54.46 | MatthewWilkes | Do I hang out here too much? |
| 08:56.13 | thebolt | nope |
| 08:56.56 | thebolt | ah, a morning of paperwork |
| 08:57.10 | MatthewWilkes | I really want one of these archos tablets |
| 08:59.01 | kai | MatthewWilkes: dunno, I'd prefer a platform with less lock-in |
| 09:00.38 | thebolt | i'll probably be getting one or two android-based tablets for work purposes during the fall |
| 09:00.56 | thebolt | not sure which ones yet, but pretty sure they are easy to get hold of in taiwan/china ;) |
| 09:01.02 | kai | is still considering a touchbook |
| 09:02.56 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Indeed, but I don't really want a windows one ;) |
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| 09:04.20 | kai | MatthewWilkes: fair enough |
| 09:04.33 | kai | but I'd like a GNU userspace |
| 09:06.02 | thebolt | i am pretty sure you should be able to take an android-based on and run another "linux dist".. most chinese/taiwanese manufacturers does not really have that good software competence to make big modifications to the source to make stuff work so it should be pretty standard components ;) |
| 09:06.37 | kai | android is not a linux distro :) |
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| 09:07.22 | kai | it's a java brain slug sitting on a castrated linux kernel |
| 09:07.24 | gevaerts | Sure it is! |
| 09:07.33 | gevaerts | It's not a GNU/linux distro :) |
| 09:07.54 | MopperWhite | Isn`t here any Chinese? |
| 09:08.56 | kai | gevaerts: yeah, I've resented this "it's called GNU/Linux" stuff for years, but android is teaching me that the fanatics do have a valid point |
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| 09:09.51 | gevaerts | kai: actually, I very vaguely seem to remember that somewhere halfway the nineties someone was running linux with a bsd userspace |
| 09:11.00 | thebolt | kai: well, hence the "..".. it is still a linux kernel, and most are ARM based so a normal linux should be possible to run on most of those devices |
| 09:11.11 | kai | I know there was Debian using a freebsd kernel once |
| 09:11.30 | kai | thebolt: true |
| 09:11.54 | gevaerts | kai: not "once" I think. They're still working on that, and it seems to be doing quite well |
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| 09:15.26 | kai | oh, indeed |
| 09:15.32 | kai | haven't heard of it for ages |
| 09:17.42 | thebolt | for good reasons maybE? ;) |
| 09:19.27 | gevaerts | They have installer daily images |
| 09:19.38 | gevaerts | That's a *lot* further than the hurd lot ever got |
| 09:21.11 | thebolt | did hurd ever get anywhere? ;) |
| 09:22.02 | gevaerts | They picked an infinitely looping acronym, and they're still stuck in that loop I think |
| 09:23.20 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: I installed it once |
| 09:23.33 | MatthewWilkes | It corrupted its filesystem within a day |
| 09:23.40 | MatthewWilkes | but I did get Plone running⦠|
| 09:23.49 | gevaerts | In less than a day! |
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| 10:09.16 | tim | hi, although i am logged into melange, i cannot access the gsoc google group to read the code submission guidelines ... did anyone experience a similar issue? |
| 10:10.13 | dennda | !next |
| 10:10.14 | socinfo | "next" is Google Summer of Code 2010 is over. Watch the Google Open Source Blog for results, your inbox for t-shirts and spend your time writing some useful or fun code. |
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| 11:36.20 | kai | whee, profiling a script that takes 40 minutes to run without a profiler... |
| 11:36.30 | kai | goes back to being paid to read a book |
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| 11:42.06 | lolfrenz | does it perform the same task for 40mins? |
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| 11:42.21 | lolfrenz | because if so, I see no reason to let it run that long |
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| 11:47.16 | kai | lolfrenz: well, it's working though a list of work items |
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| 11:47.34 | kai | but yeah, it's pretty much doing the same thing a couple of thousand times |
| 11:48.34 | lolfrenz | maybe you should let it run for a few minutes first, fix those bottlenecks and then rerun it for the whole 40 mins? |
| 11:48.40 | lolfrenz | maybe then it won't take 40 mins to run heh |
| 11:49.31 | kai | lolfrenz: I suspect it's mainly the algorithm being n^2 or n^3 |
| 11:49.47 | lolfrenz | ah |
| 11:49.47 | kai | I don't see bottlenecks with my smaller test set |
| 11:50.37 | lolfrenz | I can haz O(nlogn) |
| 11:50.53 | kai | I've already got the runtime down from 90+ minutes to 40 minutes by filtering out useless stuff from my list |
| 11:51.22 | kai | but perl's grep function is pretty confusing if you need more complicated checks |
| 11:51.34 | kai | so I'm currently doing two greps |
| 11:51.43 | lolfrenz | aren't you doing this in C or C++? |
| 11:51.50 | kai | nope |
| 11:51.53 | lolfrenz | aw |
| 11:52.08 | kai | I wish |
| 11:52.14 | kai | but it's an existing codebase |
| 11:52.50 | kai | and my boss just knows perl :) |
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| 13:07.45 | ihalip | !timeline |
| 13:07.45 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline, or (#2) for the visually oriented: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mRuBILD0TjI/S6tGHR4mM3I/AAAAAAAACbw/tftJozZHs-0/s1600/gsoc10timeline.JPG |
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| 13:10.11 | drt24 | kai: are people still using ASCII to represent ACTG or are they using a more compact representation? |
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| 13:15.55 | kai | drt24: disk space is cheap |
| 13:16.30 | kai | I'll rather use up a couple of MBs more than to have really complicated code to dig through |
| 13:18.15 | drt24 | mmm I heard that switching to a more compact representation made everything much faster as there was far less memory being copied around but I have never done any of this myself so I may be completely wrong |
| 13:18.40 | drt24 | (where much is orders of magnitude) |
| 13:20.15 | kai | I don't believe in orders of magnitude |
| 13:20.46 | kai | you need at least two bits to specify a base, so there's a 4:1 compression ratio |
| 13:21.30 | drt24 | mmm this is 3rd hand rumor so meh :-) |
| 13:22.18 | kai | for proteins, you only save 3 bits\ |
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| 13:31.42 | kai | also, an algorithm that sucks because it's O(too much) won't get much better just because the storage size of n decreases :) |
| 13:37.14 | drt24 | :-) |
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| 13:42.34 | kai | hm, I guess I see where the issue is |
| 13:42.47 | kai | I wonder if I can fix it without a significant rewrite..\ |
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| 13:49.07 | thebolt | kai: no but a fast O(something) implementation can be faster than a slow O(something lower) on all the needed cases ;) |
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| 13:53.25 | kai | true |
| 13:53.38 | kai | omg. icky code... |
| 13:54.00 | kai | why are we getting the whole list just to filter it in our code if we can ask for an already filtered list? |
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| 14:04.50 | kai | ahh |
| 14:05.14 | kai | now I get why my program went all funky when I tried to parallelize it |
| 14:05.26 | kai | every loop runs on the same object pointer |
| 14:06.26 | kai | what a horrid design |
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| 14:17.28 | kai | alright... real 15m53.229s |
| 14:17.43 | kai | puts the profiler down and does a checkin |
| 14:21.28 | thebolt | kai: :) |
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| 14:34.36 | kai | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/30/ |
| 14:34.37 | kai | hehe |
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| 17:30.58 | thebolt | hi carols |
| 17:31.02 | carols | hi thebolt |
| 17:31.40 | thebolt | how do you do? |
| 17:31.46 | carols | good, how are you? |
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| 17:32.10 | thebolt | pretty good. a tiny bit nervous, have my thesis presentation/defense after lunch tomorrow |
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| 17:33.44 | thebolt | (master thesis) |
| 17:33.44 | carols | well good luck with that :-) |
| 17:34.23 | thebolt | thanks. should be ok |
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| 18:40.58 | paulproteus | carols: Since I guess you're my organization lead, I wanted to double-check that it was okay if I attend the summit. |
| 18:41.20 | paulproteus | I'm trying to make sense of the summit email based on you (?) being my organization organizer. |
| 18:42.23 | carols | paulproteus: could you email me please? :-) |
| 18:43.13 | paulproteus | carols: Sure! (-: |
| 18:43.20 | carols | thanks :-) |
| 18:43.23 | carols | too much going on right now |
| 18:43.55 | paulproteus | thumbs up |
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| 19:21.18 | tim_blechmann | [respost], although i am logged into melange, i cannot access the gsoc google group to read the code submission guidelines ... did anyone experience a similar issue? |
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| 19:23.35 | vivia | hi ... i received an email from my organization saying "you people have been added to the repository and can begin submitting code" some days ago. so i submitted mine and a couple of days _later_ i received an email from carols saying "you may start submitting code". so i actually submitted it before i could officially start. is that ok or should i remove it and resubmit it? |
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| 19:33.11 | MatthewWilkes | vivia: If it's in the right place you're fine |
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| 19:33.37 | vivia | MatthewWilkes: right place, right title... thanks :) |
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| 19:43.58 | dzan | hi, someone tried the svn script in the mailing list? i have to enter my svn password every revision... someone knows a fix? |
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| 19:51.22 | ojwb | dzan: set up ssh keys so you don't need to type your password |
| 19:51.56 | ojwb | (assuming you're using svn over ssh) |
| 19:51.57 | gevaerts | That assumes svn+ssh though |
| 19:52.02 | dzan | i am |
| 19:52.03 | gevaerts | was slow |
| 19:52.19 | dzan | hmmz will google |
| 19:52.21 | ojwb | but I don't think you'd get repeatedly prompted for the password if you weren;t |
| 19:52.34 | dzan | so that's not the problem? |
| 19:52.36 | ojwb | dzan: if you can't find a link, ping me |
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| 19:52.47 | ojwb | dzan: pretty sure it is |
| 19:52.48 | gevaerts | I think they changed the default for storing passwords recently |
| 19:53.09 | dzan | ok thx ojwb |
| 19:53.28 | ojwb | gevaerts: possibly - i hardly ever use svn except over ssh or locally |
| 19:53.45 | dzan | problem is i leave on vacaction tomorrow morning... back 11 september and i want a tshirt too :p |
| 19:55.11 | gevaerts | dzan: either ssh is asking for a password, or svn is. If it's ssh, set up keys. If it's svn, consider setting it up to remember your password |
| 19:55.19 | dzan | ojwb, but i should change the script's "svn" to "ssh+svn" command right? |
| 19:55.46 | dzan | my mentor forbid me to do so since our svn is almost constant under bruteforce attack he said |
| 19:55.56 | dzan | oh thats why i had to choose long password |
| 19:56.38 | gevaerts | The other way would be to look for a git mirror |
| 19:57.01 | dzan | but i should change the script's "svn" to "ssh+svn" command right? |
| 19:57.05 | ojwb | dzan: um, svn is the command, but in the repo URL you probably have svn+ssh://dzan@svn.example.org/repo |
| 19:57.13 | dzan | k |
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| 19:57.29 | ojwb | setting up ssh keys isn't less secure though |
| 19:57.45 | ojwb | you'd have to guess the private key, which is way harder than guessing even a good password |
| 19:58.25 | dzan | i know just havent found yet how to set them up |
| 19:58.37 | dzan | the script has no url in it, i ran it from my svn dir so it uses that url and that's the ssh one |
| 19:59.19 | ojwb | dzan: yeah, that's fine - the repo knows its url |
| 19:59.20 | dzan | guessing i already set up the ssh keys too, isn't that the question prompt with the mac-address like thing in? i never read it all... *guilty* it has (yes/no) at the end :p |
| 19:59.39 | gevaerts | no, that's different |
| 19:59.48 | gevaerts | Although it's also about keys :) |
| 19:59.58 | dzan | yeah i noticed "keys" in it :D |
| 20:00.01 | ojwb | you want to copy .ssh/id_rsa.pub (or id_dsa.pub) to the server |
| 20:00.08 | ojwb | and append it to .ssh/authorized_keys there |
| 20:00.19 | gevaerts | or just run ssh-copy-id |
| 20:00.30 | ojwb | coo, there's a command for it |
| 20:00.30 | gevaerts | which does all that for you |
| 20:00.32 | dzan | :D i'll try gevaerts' solution first :p |
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| 20:00.54 | dzan | /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found |
| 20:00.56 | ojwb | yeah, do |
| 20:01.09 | gevaerts | Yes, you need an identity first |
| 20:01.16 | dzan | ssh-create-id ? :p |
| 20:01.21 | gevaerts | If you don't know who you are, you can't use ssh! |
| 20:01.43 | dzan | ssh-keygen? :D or ssh-add? |
| 20:01.43 | ojwb | what does ls -l ~/.ssh show on your local machine? |
| 20:01.45 | dzan | i'll google :) |
| 20:02.07 | dzan | my name and stuff |
| 20:02.29 | dzan | sander@sander-desktop:~/abidev$ ls -l ~/.ssh |
| 20:02.29 | dzan | totaal 4 |
| 20:02.29 | dzan | -rw-r--r-- 1 sander sander 1326 2010-07-29 18:36 known_hosts |
| 20:02.33 | dzan | big secret here is my name :p |
| 20:02.51 | gevaerts | ok, you don't have a key pair yet |
| 20:02.55 | ojwb | hmm, so you're using svn+ssh without an ssh key? |
| 20:03.01 | dzan | yes i am apprently |
| 20:03.11 | dzan | it works :p |
| 20:03.24 | ojwb | ok, so you need to generate a key pair |
| 20:05.11 | dzan | http://e-articles.info/e/a/title/How-to-Generate-a-Key-Pair-Using-OpenSSH/ first part of it correct? |
| 20:05.18 | dzan | second one you guys gave me a shortcut right? |
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| 20:06.45 | dzan | wow it has randomart and all! |
| 20:07.01 | ojwb | looks right to me |
| 20:08.21 | dzan | ssh-copy-id takes the remote machine as parameter right? |
| 20:10.30 | gevaerts | It has a man page and everything! |
| 20:10.41 | dzan | uhu it's done :p |
| 20:10.55 | dzan | i read through the manpage faster then you could say "yes" :p |
| 20:11.10 | gevaerts | yes |
| 20:11.46 | gevaerts | could indeed say "yes" after dzan read through the manpage faster :) |
| 20:12.06 | dzan | :) |
| 20:12.12 | dzan | ok lets fire up the script nwo |
| 20:12.32 | dzan | it works! |
| 20:12.35 | dzan | thx guys |
| 20:12.41 | gevaerts | Actually... |
| 20:12.56 | dzan | ? |
| 20:13.04 | gevaerts | I'd suspect the script would also have worked on an anonymous checkout |
| 20:13.09 | gevaerts | hm |
| 20:13.16 | gevaerts | Maybe not |
| 20:13.42 | gevaerts | yes, it probably would |
| 20:13.52 | dzan | one more line in the script would've archived it all too :) lazy me |
| 20:14.09 | dzan | gevaerts, then i'd have to add an url :) the url in my path was ssh one |
| 20:15.16 | gevaerts | wonders if he would dare to ask dzan if he could put the output of "cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa" on a pastebin for us to look at :) |
| 20:15.56 | gevaerts | I'd better not I guess |
| 20:19.01 | dzan | gevaerts, i know what ssh is and what's it for |
| 20:19.04 | dzan | :p |
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| 20:20.42 | ojwb | gevaerts: ah, true - could have just used svn switch |
| 20:21.20 | gevaerts | dzan: I'll try to hide that in s script next time :) |
| 20:22.07 | dzan | :p |
| 20:22.26 | dzan | cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa | pastebinit |
| 20:22.33 | dzan | then somethign that mails you the resulted url :p |
| 20:22.45 | gevaerts | No need for that last bit |
| 20:22.55 | dzan | if you mail indeed :D |
| 20:22.58 | gevaerts | I'll just look at the history of the chosen pastebin |
| 20:23.01 | dzan | but it's just an ubercool proram :D |
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| 20:23.13 | dzan | oh indeed |
| 20:23.27 | gevaerts | Actually... |
| 20:24.04 | gevaerts | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22BEGIN+RSA+PRIVATE+KEY%22+site:pastebin.com |
| 20:24.31 | gevaerts | People *do* this... |
| 20:25.10 | schumaml | people do anything |
| 20:25.47 | gevaerts | That's *nearly* worse than http://sshkeygen.com/ |
| 20:25.58 | gevaerts | Which luckily seems to not respond any more |
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| 21:20.29 | aucahuasi | hi guys somebody from kde here? |
| 21:20.59 | aucahuasi | does anyone knows if kde was created as project on http://code.google.com/hosting/? |
| 21:25.05 | Mek | aucahuasi: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2010-kde/ |
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| 21:29.24 | aucahuasi | Mak thanks ;) |
| 21:30.00 | aucahuasi | Mek * thanks ;) |
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