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| 06:20.45 | fargiolas | hi I'm writing a resumè and I'm currently adding the summer of code sectiom, who should I put as my employer? Google Open Source Programs Office? |
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| 07:01.57 | kai | fargiolas: technically, you were never employed by google during gsoc |
| 07:02.30 | fargiolas | kai: uh, how does it qualify then? |
| 07:03.04 | fargiolas | (technically I got payed and I was supposed to pay local taxes for it, here that's an employment) |
| 07:03.07 | kai | fargiolas: well, from the paperwork side of things, GSoC is independent contracting work |
| 07:04.01 | fargiolas | kai: ok, fine |
| 07:05.55 | kai | all in all, I'd put it down as "internship at <open source project you worked on>" |
| 07:07.51 | kai | that most correctly represents what you're doing |
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| 07:24.28 | thebolt | hi kai |
| 07:27.29 | kai | hey thebolt |
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| 07:35.58 | ojwb | there's some guidance I've seen for how to "cite" gsoc on a cv/resume |
| 07:36.06 | ojwb | but I failed to find it just now |
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| 07:36.43 | kai | I still think listing it as "I worked for google" is wrong |
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| 07:46.03 | ojwb | kai: yes, that's what i recall from what I read |
| 07:46.14 | ojwb | and indeed for what the reality is |
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| 07:48.41 | scorche | because if you do put that on a resume for GSoC, the ninja squad will be sent after you |
| 07:48.44 | ojwb | google don't set the work to be done, and they don't judge the output |
| 07:48.50 | scorche | no one wants that |
| 07:49.18 | ojwb | if the person reading it actually knows what gsoc is, it's not going to look good |
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| 08:34.28 | kai | scorche: also, the death ray hurts and stings |
| 08:34.47 | kai | and has a really bad ecological impact |
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| 08:49.19 | MatthewWilkes | ArthurLiu: Ah, you're on AF84 into SFO? Me too, might see you on board! |
| 08:50.35 | fargiolas | kai: the people I'm sending the resume too know pretty well how GSoC works anyway, so I doubt there's any risk of being misunderstood. Anyway, I went for the internship sponsored by Google phrasing |
| 08:50.42 | fargiolas | s/too/to |
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| 08:53.29 | kai | fargiolas: if the people you're applying with know GSoC, the "GSoC" name might carry more weight than talking about a google internship |
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| 08:54.39 | fargiolas | kai: sure, I put detailed information about what I did and about the org I was working for |
| 08:55.40 | fargiolas | it was just that some point in the CV template there was a Employer line and I didn't know what to put there |
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| 20:11.40 | gevaerts | hopes he didn't forget to pack anything important |
| 20:12.02 | kblin | swimming trunks? |
| 20:12.19 | kblin | one t-shirt less than you need? |
| 20:13.14 | gevaerts | Lots of t-shirts actually, including several that won't fit :) |
| 20:13.37 | kblin | oooh, crap |
| 20:13.47 | kblin | I forgot the chocolate |
| 20:14.10 | gevaerts | will come back via NYC where he'll attend a rockbox DevConPub, and he's the current official rockbox shirt keeper |
| 20:14.25 | kblin | ah |
| 20:16.04 | kblin | that doesn't really count, though |
| 20:16.18 | gevaerts | Maybe not |
| 20:16.35 | kblin | I'm attending a conference tomorrow, I don't count that either |
| 20:16.46 | gevaerts | I still have to pack them! |
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| 20:30.09 | carols | mmm chocolate from kblin |
| 20:30.11 | carols | that was tasty |
| 20:30.55 | kblin | hey carols |
| 20:31.00 | carols | hey kblin |
| 20:31.07 | carols | looking forward to seeing everyone at the summit |
| 20:31.29 | noirin | carols: Everyone who hears I'm going to the summit says "Oh! Say hi to Carol!" |
| 20:31.38 | carols | yay! |
| 20:31.40 | kblin | looking forward to the summit as well.. not to the flight, but the summit is going to be fun... |
| 20:31.45 | carols | looking forward to seeing you too noirin |
| 20:31.57 | carols | looks like its going to be a small summit this year |
| 20:32.03 | kblin | oh? |
| 20:32.05 | carols | only 240 registered mentors |
| 20:33.16 | gevaerts | 10 hours until takeoff |
| 20:33.43 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Don't worry, we will try to eat enough pizza/thai/whatever to meet the usual quot |
| 20:33.44 | MatthewWilkes | a |
| 20:34.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: we're getting 100 pizzas delivered, i certainly hope we'll eat them all :-) |
| 20:34.46 | kblin | hehe |
| 20:37.28 | milki | heya, any google employees working in seattle? |
| 20:37.38 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Oh, easy ;) |
| 20:37.52 | carols | MatthewWilkes: awesome. :-) |
| 20:38.08 | carols | milki: im a google employee in san francisco. can i help you with something? |
| 20:38.19 | kblin | milki: stalking the bing headquarters, you mean? ;) |
| 20:38.20 | milki | my google friend in seattle is lonely and wants friends |
| 20:38.28 | milki | and lunchmates |
| 20:38.45 | kblin | the microsoft cafeteria is decent 0:) |
| 20:38.48 | Mek | is stalking the microsoft office before heading down to san francisco by train tomorrow :) |
| 20:38.49 | milki | haha |
| 20:38.55 | Mek | and yeah, microsoft has quite good food :) |
| 20:39.25 | kblin | but you notice microsoft is an old economy company, because the food isn't free ;) |
| 20:39.34 | carols | milki: ah, can't help you there. don't get up to seattle much :-) |
| 20:39.37 | milki | TT |
| 20:39.50 | Mek | ah, the food is only free is you're here for some special event then I guess :) |
| 20:40.19 | kblin | Mek: google has great free food :) |
| 20:40.29 | kblin | and spaceships in the foyer |
| 20:40.34 | milki | i wasnt too impressed the two times ive eaten >.> |
| 20:40.49 | Mek | yeah, I'll do a comparison of the free microsoft, free google and free nokia food in my three-week trip through the westcoast :) |
| 20:41.01 | Ivanovic | milki: i think kblin does not mean the usual meals but the snacks that you could grap anywhere |
| 20:41.08 | milki | oo |
| 20:41.19 | kblin | Ivanovic: no, I'm talking about the main cantina |
| 20:41.31 | kblin | the one we don't visit during mentor summit |
| 20:41.38 | Ivanovic | ahhh, okay |
| 20:42.11 | Ivanovic | on the summit we met there food was really okay in this healthy cantina thingy, though not "world class" (you know, i missed the steak and burger...) ;) |
| 20:42.25 | scorche|sh | the one we visit during the mentor summit is usually a veggie-friendly place too - but it is changed for the mentor summit |
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| 20:43.42 | kblin | remembers LH herding a bunch of geeks to lunch on the 2007 cifs workshop |
| 20:44.10 | Ivanovic | though what i really remember as the worst part of the trip to the US: |
| 20:44.13 | milki | 3but ya....i dont know anyone in seattle >.> |
| 20:44.18 | Ivanovic | they don't have decently sweet sugar! |
| 20:44.20 | milki | everyone i know goes to mountain view |
| 20:44.33 | Ivanovic | i had to use about one kilo to finally get my tea sweet |
| 20:48.35 | milki | 1 kilo sugar.... |
| 20:48.51 | kblin | Ivanovic: there's worse |
| 20:51.45 | milki | ill check back again to see if any more employees come in |
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| 21:02.31 | milki | hm |
| 21:02.38 | milki | my friend is in developer relations o.O |
| 21:03.25 | gevaerts | milki: this channel isn't really the favourite hang out place for google people who're not involved in gsoc... |
| 21:04.40 | milki | but i only know gsoc TT |
| 21:05.04 | milki | theres internal chat for employees so of course i cant get in on those... |
| 21:05.43 | milki | gsoc employees would have lots of connections ya? |
| 21:06.48 | kblin | no idea |
| 21:07.32 | milki | :P |
| 21:07.33 | gevaerts | There aren't that many people at google who work on gsoc. In fact, you've talked to most of them! |
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| 21:09.09 | kblin | which reminds me, if danderson's box stays down, we might want to discuss an alternative place to host socinfo for next year |
| 21:09.26 | kblin | we might want it around for GCI |
| 21:09.27 | milki | i can always try, i dont want my friend to be all lonesome by himself |
| 21:10.08 | kblin | there's enough places in seattle to meet people |
| 21:10.32 | kblin | and you don't risk talking about your job all the time |
| 21:13.07 | kblin | anyhow, bedtime :) |
| 21:13.19 | kblin | see a couple of you over the weekend.. |
| 21:13.39 | gevaerts | Goodnight! |
| 21:13.49 | gevaerts | should go to sleep too :) |
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| 21:44.02 | _Samo | guys take an umbrella is going to rain in the SFO area |
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| 21:55.09 | harlan | anybpdy have the URL for the weekend schedule handy? |
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| 22:06.43 | _Samo | harlan: afaik there is no schedule, everything is arranged just before the summit, with everyone's proposal |
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| 22:31.59 | harlan | _Samo: yes, but there should be something about start/end times for each day. |
| 22:32.31 | harlan | and the building we're in, etc. |
| 22:32.56 | _Samo | hum... yes I think I have seen it somewhere |
| 22:33.03 | _Samo | in the wiki maybe |
| 22:33.17 | harlan | I thought so, but I haven't found it yet. |
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| 22:44.01 | harlan | found it. Looks like we're a day shorter this year, right? I thought the last 2 years started on Friday morning. |
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| 22:56.24 | ojwb | harlan: no, friday evening |
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| 22:57.24 | harlan | strange - remember (apparently incorrectly) fighting rush-hour traffic coming in. I guess it was incoming traffic to dinner... |
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| 23:47.53 | MatthewWilkes | Ah, really looking forward to the weekend |
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| 23:51.25 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: enjoy :) |
| 23:53.11 | MatthewWilkes | I just hope that US immigration don't keep up their tradition of getting harder and harder to deal with each year |
| 23:53.17 | thebolt | hehe |
| 23:53.22 | MatthewWilkes | last year I was grilled for 20 minutes on if I was employed by google |
| 23:53.42 | thebolt | hehe |
| 23:53.56 | thebolt | that long? for me they took a couple of minutes, max |
| 23:54.37 | Mek | us immigrations for me when I got in the us two weeks ago was trivially easy... especially compared to the security interview I got in amsterdam before boarding my plane... |
| 23:55.10 | Mek | the us immigrations guy basically didn't ask anything, while in amsterdam I was grilled for 10-15 minutes, with the guy for some reason even wanting to see a 2nd ID I might have... |
| 23:55.14 | ojwb | had a hard time in 2008, and actually got a letter of invitation for 2009, and was just waved through with an "enjoy your visit" |
| 23:55.23 | MatthewWilkes | My passport is getting quite ratty now too, doubt it will survive as a valid document for another year |
| 23:55.58 | thebolt | otoh, getting into taiwan was easy.. 2 days for a work permit, 3 days for resident visa.. then 15 seconds at the border |
| 23:56.00 | Chainsaw | MatthewWilkes: Mine has been through the washing machine by accident. Thankfully they are resilient documents. All I lost were a few entry stamps. |
| 23:56.19 | MatthewWilkes | Chainsaw: My photopage is starting to degenerate |
| 23:56.36 | Chainsaw | US customs are rude, like to keep you waiting and now would also like to take ownership of your laptop. |
| 23:56.50 | Chainsaw | I've been avoiding any business trips there. Not worth the hassle. |
| 23:56.51 | MatthewWilkes | I asked a US immigration official about it last time I was there and he said it was fine as it's obvious that it is real wear-and-tear and not fake |
| 23:57.21 | kshepherd | i got in this morning, had a very easy time -- might have helped that i was in US last year too |
| 23:57.31 | kshepherd | (i seemed to be quicker than others in my line) |
| 23:57.47 | thebolt | i need to replace my passport next time i go back sweden.. only valid until 2013 |
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| 23:58.12 | thebolt | but i will have to keep the old one to keep the visa.. ah well, hopefully they won't give too much trouble about that |
| 23:58.30 | MatthewWilkes | kshepherd: I have been to the US 8 times in the last 4 years, last time he made me go through the times from memory and tell him when and where I visited |
| 23:58.55 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :) |
| 23:59.10 | kshepherd | ick |
| 23:59.49 | MatthewWilkes | the fun one is that one of the times they didn't stamp the passport |
| 23:59.49 | kshepherd | maybe coming from .nz helps me too, then |
| 23:59.57 | MatthewWilkes | so I can't even revise! |