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00:16.39harlanI've been nosing around the website re the mentor summit travel expenses - where can I find the mileage reimbursement rate?
00:16.51harlanof course, I just now found it.
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01:43.23BBBNightrose: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Code-In_2010 is where we're working on it ;)
01:43.56NightroseBBB: :)
01:43.58Nightrosethx
01:44.30BBBit's a little complicated to "aim" for the highschool student level
01:44.35BBBbut I guess we all have that "issue"
01:44.42BBBit's not an issue anyway, more like a "difference"
01:45.03Nightroseindeed
01:45.18Nightrosei think we hae a pretty good selection by now but it was definitely hard
01:45.46BBBhm, we clearly started too late
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13:53.04BBBNightrose: and it's slowly filling up btw, if you have comments I'd love to hear them (original link: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Code-In_2010)
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16:10.45NightroseBBB: :)
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16:55.40kblinscrambles to get a GCI ideas page together as well
16:56.11MatthewWilkeskblin: :D  Aren't we all?
16:56.23kblinI guess so
16:56.25MatthewWilkesIt's hard to get people to do things before the deadline, isn't it?
17:03.15ArthurLiuwe have http://wiki.debian.org/GoogleCodeIn2010/Tasks
17:03.33ArthurLiuhttp://wiki.debian.org/GoogleCodeIn2010/Tasks#SquashanRCBug this in itself is like 300 tasks
17:04.40dhaun1ah, the meta-tasks - yeah, we have those, too :)
17:04.47sfbkblin: You've decided to do GCI then?
17:08.53kblinsfb: if we get enough tasks together, yeah
17:10.07sfbkblin: If you don't I could piggy back some ideas.
17:10.15kblinsure
17:10.28sfbkblin: I have ideas in the Documentation and Training arenas.
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17:20.22andre__Just post "I won't organize this if you don't provide tasks" to some mailing lists. Worked for me. ;-)
17:28.05kblinandre__: doesn't help on my projects
17:28.36andre__ah, pity
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17:49.31bkgoodmy gsoc work got merged into my project's trunk last night! :D
17:51.28carolsbkgood: congrats!
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17:52.48bkgoodcarols: thanks! you and google are so awesome for putting this on, best summer job ever
17:53.22carolsbkgood: why thank you. :-) i'm glad you think so, i want to get as many students involved in GSoC as we can :-)
17:55.16kblinhey carols, recovered from the week-end?
17:55.44carolskblin: yeah, i didn't actually have that much recovering i needed to do besides get a good night's sleep :-)
17:56.13kblinnow I'm jealous
17:56.49Nightrosecarols: one could say you did something wrong then :P
17:56.58Nightrosenot partied hard enough
17:57.10carolsNightrose: did you have a good time? :-)
17:57.19Nightrosei definitely did have an awesome time
17:57.37Nightrosesitting at the airport now - getting back home
17:57.37Nightrose*sob*
17:58.16kblinNightrose: meh, flying home is overrated
17:58.30Nightrosekblin: fullack
17:58.34kblinmy airline lost my luggage and then the trains were on strike
17:58.41Nightrose-.-
18:00.38kblinreally felt like back home
18:02.55dhaunhey Nightrose, been through that nice body scanner yet?
18:03.22Nightrosedhaun: gosh - yea :D
18:03.25Nightrosevery nice
18:04.18dhauntook me completely by surprise :-/ I would have protested but was already standing inside of it before I realized
18:05.26dhaunentrance fees, fingerprints, photographs, body scanners - it's almost like the US government doesn't want any visitors ...
18:05.27Nightroseheh
18:06.54dhaunanother argument for Zürich ;-) /me waves at carols
18:07.47Nightroselol
18:07.52Nightrosebut it's sunny here!
18:08.03Nightrosei don't want cold zürich
18:08.07Nightrose:P
18:08.26kblincarols: I know this has been asked before, but what's the GHOP experience on the workload on the mentors?
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18:10.22carolskblin: the way its set up with melange a lot of the workload is on the org admin to approve tasks and then the mentors and the org admins can decide together how many tasks are out at a time for the students to claim and work on
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18:15.03kblincarols: ok. for a single task, is it about comparable to the GSoC workload?
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18:17.15carolskblin: you get to decide what you put in there - we're measuring task duration in hours
18:18.29dukeletowaves hello
18:18.42carolshey dukeleto
18:18.46dukeletocan anybody show me a nice example of what orgs have on their task list?
18:19.28dukeletoi have lots of ideas for general tasks and don't quite know how to split them up and what size they should be
18:19.41andre__http://community.kde.org/GoogleCodeIn/2010/Ideas or http://live.gnome.org/GoogleCodeIn/Tasks
18:19.47dukeletocarols: i am almost recovered from the mentor summit and the GIT Together
18:20.01dukeletoandre__: thanks!
18:20.02bkgoodGIT Together? lol
18:20.25carolsdukeleto: good! i'm just about ready to do a US-Europe travel stint for two weeks :-P
18:20.47carolsserves tea, coffee, and chocolate from the mentor summit
18:20.55carolswe still have chocolate left over!
18:20.58Nightrosecarols: if you're anywhere near karlsruhe, germany during your travel let me know :)
18:21.24carolsNightrose: i'm going to finland, belgium and poland. i suppose i could stop in germany for a beer :-)
18:21.35carolsbtw, anyone from finland or belgium here?
18:21.41Nightrosehehe
18:21.50DrJoeldukeleto: any written up yet?  ours are at http://www.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/GoogleCodeInProjects
18:21.55Nightrosehenri bergius is from finland
18:22.01Nightrosedunno if he's online atm
18:22.06Nightrosebut he was at the mentor summit
18:22.13carolsNightrose: i emailed him, so i'm good to go on that, thank you :-)
18:22.20Nightrosek
18:22.32dukeletoDrJoel: how do you feel about parrot+rtems tasks for code-in? Is it possible to make small tasks for that?
18:23.14DrJoeldukeleto: For coding, I have no ideas.  But a logo for it would be a nice start.
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18:24.47kblinbkgood: the git community is good at creating version control systems, but really bad at puns
18:25.22dukeletoDrJoel: good idea! I am stealing it :)
18:27.07bkgoodkblin: I chuckled :)
18:30.00DrJoelwonders where the best place for a FOSS project to get stickers made is
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18:32.43sfbThe "Free Software F#$K YEAH" ones were done at stickurs.org
18:33.08sfbNot sure who they use.
18:33.09sfbhahah
18:35.40kblincan I create an easy research task and a hard coding task about the same topic, but then block the research task if someone is working on the coding task?
18:36.20Nightrosekblin: yoou can publish the coding task after the research one is done
18:36.31DrJoelgood we also have some like that
18:36.40Nightroseus as well
18:37.05kblinI'd prefer the coding task to happen, though
18:37.36kblinthe research task is mainly to save me the research if I end up having to do the coding myself :)
18:40.14dukeletoso the tasks can still be created after the orgs are chosen and code-in has started?
18:41.02Nightroseyes
18:47.36DrJoelsfb: I prize that sticker and it has been the best received when I showed it to people..
18:48.50kblin:)
18:50.54sfbDrJoel: Same. (=
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19:10.05kblincarols: ok, one last question for now. WorldForge and nel would probably join forces again like for GSoC. How do you want this to be represented on the sign-up form?
19:12.32sfb(=
19:12.39sfbCan we be called Ryzom Core this time around?
19:13.22kblinsure
19:15.15dukeletodoes GCI have a standard hashtag?
19:15.44kblinsfb: same url, I take?
19:15.47dukeletocarols: one thing i forgot to tell you. In previous years, we standardized on hashtags or at least listed which ones people were using, so people could find relevant info
19:16.12DrJoeldukeleto: just "borrowed" your announcement to the parrot list and "rtems-ized" it.  So any similarity is 100% intentional.
19:16.57dukeletoDrJoel: consider it a thank you :)
19:17.05dukeleto#gci seems to be popular
19:17.42dukeletonot really though. but more popular than others
19:21.19paulproteuscarols: A quick question: Is OpenHatch eligible to be in GCI?
19:21.49paulproteusWe weren't strictly-speaking a mentor project for GSOC, so I'd understand if you'd draw the bar at "no". But if "yes" then I'll keep doing what I'm doing, which is finishing up our application. (-:
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19:29.08sfbkblin: http://dev.ryzom.com/ so yes.
19:30.01kblinsfb: noticed that, yes
19:30.17kblinsfb: you just use forums, no mailing list, right?
19:30.21sfbCorrect.
19:30.24kblinok
19:30.34sfbAnd I police the forums pretty well so it works out.
19:30.36kblinlinked that then :)
19:30.58sfbYou need that link?
19:31.08kblinno, found it on the website
19:31.19kblinthe tab is kind of obvious
19:31.20sfbhttp://www.opennel.org/confluence/display/~mattr/2010/10/29/GSoC+2010+Mentor%27s+Summit
19:31.22sfbFYI
19:31.30sfbhttp://www.opennel.org/confluence/download/attachments/11894796/DSC01461.JPG
19:31.32sfbFor your records. (=
19:32.09kblinthere's only one n in my last name, btw :)
19:32.24gchaixwin 12
19:32.31gchaixwhoops ... sorry all :-)
19:32.32sfbSorry
19:32.35sfbhaha
19:32.37sfbI'll fix it.
19:33.07sfbFixed.
19:33.17sfbAnyway, I thought you'd want a link to the full pic.
19:33.46kblinyeah, thanks
19:34.07kblinbtw, I don't think you missed much in the llvm session, we were all pretty clueless
19:34.16sfbhahah great.
19:34.32kblinI think everybody was hoping for someone with llvm/clang experience
19:34.42sfbI was expecting that it was run by such a person.
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19:55.09dukeletokblin: i appreciated your comments at the last session, about how to improve GSoC. Thanks for saying what I was thinking but too tired to articulate :)
19:57.16sfbkblin: I truly hope it works out that I get to go next year, I'd love to do a CMake session now that I understand the feeling/format of the event.
19:58.00dukeletokblin: what is your interest in llvm? what do you want to use it for?
19:58.23kblindukeleto: It was fun playing the grumpy old guys/gals in the back with you and selena :)
19:58.50kblinand I know how to dye my free pony to any color I like
19:59.03sfbhaha wtf
20:01.05dukeletosfb: nice blog post, thanks for the trolluniversity.com mention :)
20:01.14kblinsfb: while the end-of-mentor-summit whining about making the google gsoc liason do more work on behalf of the mentors is very traditional, it's also very annoying
20:01.27sfbdukeleto: hahah np, thanks for the Troll University session. One day I might enroll.
20:01.47sfbdukeleto: If for no other reason than to avoid being the training site for future trolls. (;
20:04.15sfbkblin: I'm not entirely positive what more I'd want from the GSoC liason...
20:04.27sfbkblin: I think that's enough work as it is.
20:04.28sfbhshs
20:04.37sfbs/s/a/g
20:05.14robbyoconnor<3
20:05.48dukeletoYeah, every year, the same things get said.
20:06.34dukeletoI think the question should be phrased: How can open source communities improve the quality of their involvement with GSoC?
20:06.49sfbdukeleto: How is it phrased now? (;
20:07.01dukeletoWhat can Google do to help facilitate that, not "What else can you make Carol do in addition to the million things she does"
20:07.13dukeletosfb: "How can GSoC be improved"
20:07.50dukeletosfb: it is mostly the community that needs to interact better with OSPO
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20:08.46kblinaka "How do we get our free pony in the color we want"
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20:10.38sfbkblin: Ah, the joke comes full circle now.
20:10.51sfbI think I had a similar conversation with someone on a shuttle...
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20:11.18sfbAbout basically you're getting people paid to work on your project and all you have to do is ... so be appreciative.
20:12.54kblindukeleto: btw, thanks for that java vs. perl link. that was good fun at work
20:13.18dukeletokblin: yeah, that was a treasure
20:13.20carolspaulproteus: if you received notification of an invitation from the mentors list, then yes, you can apply
20:14.20dukeletocarols: i tried to drop some knowledge bombs above, in an attempt to make your life easier
20:14.52paulproteuscarols: Yay (-:
20:15.33sfbkblin: Are you trolling work with language wars?
20:16.42kblinsfb: just that one co-worker of mine who's currently reimplementing a perl tool we have in java
20:18.33kblinmuch to his defense, the perl tool pretty much looks like line noise
20:18.45carolsdukeleto: you're awesome, thanks
20:21.06dukeletocarols: strategic open source knowledge bombs, at your service :)
20:21.46kblintrolling special offers available as well
20:22.10sfbhaha
20:23.40carols:-)
20:23.58gevaertsdreads next monday
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20:26.45kblingevaerts: ?
20:27.23gevaertskblin: I'm in NYC now, getting up in the early afternoon and not going to sleep before 3AM. Going back to Europe will be fun
20:27.41kblinah
20:30.55dukeletocarols: does the concept of "slots" exist in GCI?
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20:31.28carolsdukeleto: define please. you mean the number of students an org can have working on stuff at a time?
20:31.37gevaertsOr only sloths? ;)
20:32.36dukeletocarols: that is also useful info. GSoC has slots. What is the equivalent (if any) term in Code-In?
20:32.55dukeletocarols: can orgs add tasks after they are accepted?
20:33.05dukeletocarols: is there a deadline for adding tasks?
20:33.22carolsdukeleto: yes, you can add tasks and you can even have a queue of tasks that the students can't see so you can release things to work on at your own pace
20:33.33carolsdukeleto: you can add tasks whenever you want
20:34.08dukeletocarols++
20:34.33kblinawesome :)
20:34.42gevaertsdukeleto: are you sure you we can handle more than one? ;)
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20:34.46gevaertsruns, *fast*
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20:35.54dhauncarols: what about tasks suggested by students? I heard that in GHOP students could suggest tasks but not claim those they suggested themselves. Is that still the case?
20:36.17dukeletogevaerts: ++'s denote karma points in many communities, but we *could* use a few more carols's. I will work on implementing $carols->clone()
20:36.58sfbCarols carols2 = new Carols(carol1);
20:37.11gevaertsdukeleto: I know what you meant :). I wasn't trying to be entirely serious :)
20:37.13carolsaw, i love you guys. trying to clone me :-)
20:37.27carolsdhaun: all the tasks are suggested by mentors and org admins. students dont suggest tasks
20:37.51dhaunk
20:37.51dukeletogevaerts: You weren't being serious? I am aghast.
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20:38.17gevaerts:)
20:39.13gevaertscarols: if we manage to clone you, we could have two mentor summits, one in Mountain View and one in Zürich (how about December?)
20:39.35carolsgevaerts: i know what trolling looks like, sir :-P
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20:40.34robbyoconnorcarols: I want to troll -- but suck at it badly
20:40.36robbyoconnor:)
20:40.43gevaertsI'll just have to try to be more subtle next time :)
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20:41.21robbyoconnorgevaerts: don
20:41.23robbyoconnor't boher
20:41.26robbyoconnorwe're onto tyou!
20:41.31robbyoconnorbother*
20:43.40sfbttyl guys
20:44.17robbyoconnorthrows stuff around
20:44.29robbyoconnorbangs pots and pans like a little kid
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20:48.27gchaixDid someone say cloning? Hmm .. we should have our bio crew in Corvallis working on that ;-)
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20:49.46gchaixI mean, we have a whole research university here we might as well put it to good use, right?
20:49.59gevaertsstill suspects that the idea of cloning carols is a subtle way of telling her that she doesn't do enough, which *really* isn't a nice (or true) thing to say!
20:50.39carolsthank you for the chocolate btw, gevaerts. it's super tasty :-)
20:50.52carolsgevaerts: do you have contacts with any pre-university schools in belgium?
20:50.56gevaertsYou're most welcome!
20:51.06gevaertshm, not really
20:51.21carolsok
20:51.24kblinah, that reminds me...
20:52.02kblinI know a comp-sci teacher at a local high-school
20:52.09carolskblin: in germany?
20:52.20kblinyeah
20:52.25iandeeswhere are the GCI difficulty levels specified?
20:52.47kbliniandees: on your ideas page?
20:52.48kblin;)
20:52.56dukeletogevaerts: you are quite mistaken. We can to clone carols because she is so awesome.
20:52.57kblingo captain obvious!
20:53.03gchaixiandees: I think they're on the FAQ page
20:53.21iandees:) i was under the impression that melange had tags we were going to use eventually
20:53.29dukeletogchaix: shall we meet up at the OSUOSL Portland office to disk cloning carols? I think it could be great for the university and the OSL.
20:53.45gchaixdukeleto: wfm :-)
20:54.03carolskblin: its looking like i'll be in europe the week of 15 nov. i would love to speak in germany too if possible. send me your contact :-)
20:54.07robbyoconnorI look forward to GCI
20:54.10carolsblushes
20:54.21robbyoconnorget people interested early
20:54.23robbyoconnor:>
20:54.32gevaertsdukeleto: well, she is of course, but I still have my doubts :)
20:54.39robbyoconnorI want some GCI students to battle test my 2010 project
20:54.42kblincarols: sure. hang on.
20:54.47carolsthanks :-)
20:54.51robbyoconnor(*IF* sahana applies)
20:55.09carolslooks like Nightrose will get me in germany after all
20:55.31dukeletogevaerts: doubts are good to have. They are worth more than dogmas.
20:56.00gevaertsdukeleto: are you sure? ;)
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20:59.25kblincarols: actually, I only have her private email address, I'll go send her the info and ask if I can pass on her address.
20:59.57gevaertswill try to find out next week if he can get some contacts
21:00.40dhauncarols: if you're coming to south-west Germany, we could almost organize a mini-mentor summit ;-)
21:01.23gevaertsdhaun: that's near Zürich, isn't it? ;)
21:01.33dhaunhehe
21:02.06dhaunwas in Zürich recently, but not at Google
21:02.26kblinhehe
21:03.54gevaertsOh, and it's even nearly december!
21:04.53kblincarols: oh, and thanks for the extension, you rock!
21:06.24dhaunlooks like extensions are becoming a GCI tradition, too ;-)
21:07.24kblindhaun: I'm glad about that, my co-admin just got back from california and slept the whole day.. :)
21:10.33kblinand I have the nagging suspicion he fell asleep again :)
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21:18.42carolskblin: thanks. thought you guys might like that. :-)
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21:20.23cwgordon7hey, is there or will there be a google code-in irc channel?
21:20.38kblinI think we'll be using this one
21:24.33scorchekblin: just bring the bot in  ;)
21:24.51kblinworking on it
21:25.53scorchethough socinfo did have a ton of factoids loaded up
21:25.58scorchewhose bot was it again?
21:26.02scorchedanderson?
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21:28.23scorchecarols: you now have admin rights in #mentorsummit by the way  ;)
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21:31.47kblinscorche: yeah, but that box is dead
21:31.48carolsscorche: why thank you :-)
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21:38.07kblin!learn faq as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs
21:38.08socinfokblin: The operation succeeded.
21:38.12kblin!faq
21:38.12socinfokblin: "faq" could be http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs
21:38.23kblin!learn when as later
21:38.24socinfokblin: The operation succeeded.
21:39.08kblinscorche: not exactly it's old self, but it should work
21:39.20kblingives socinfo a cookie
21:40.59scorchekblin: so no way to get the previous socinfo data off?
21:41.12kblinnot for me at least
21:41.38kblinI don't have a copy of the factoids, and I haven't seen danderson in months
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21:42.43scorchedoes he still work for google?
21:42.49kblinI think so
21:43.30scorchei will email his @google address and find out..
21:43.37kblin:)
21:44.15kblinI guess the factoids are stored in an sqlite db, so if you can get me a database dump, I can probably load that
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21:53.22scorchekblin: how are the permissions set for this one?
21:54.01kblindunno, I just followed through the setup-wizard
21:54.07kblintry teaching it something
21:54.27scorche!learn google as not the cosmic cash machine
21:54.28socinfoscorche: The operation succeeded.
21:54.31scorcheshrugs
21:55.01kblinlooks like it's the same as the old bot
22:02.50kblinit's currently still running in a screen session, let me move it to a startup script
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22:05.20kblin!when
22:05.20socinfokblin: "when" could be later
22:05.27kblincould be?
22:05.33scorchecould be?
22:05.54kblinit said that before as well, actually
22:05.59kblinmeh
22:06.27scorcheprobably something for it in the config file
22:08.23kblinyeah, just fixed that
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22:09.47kblinhm, need to work on the restart part of the script
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22:12.52kblinthere we go
22:12.58kblin!when
22:12.58socinfokblin: "when" could be later
22:13.04kblinhey
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22:15.27kblinso, turns out if you change the config file while the bot is running, your changes will be overwritten
22:15.32kblin!when
22:15.32socinfokblin: "when" is later
22:19.45kblin!learn gsoc as Google Summer of Code, not Generic Savoir-faire on Open-source Conundrums
22:19.45socinfokblin: The operation succeeded.
22:20.23kblin!learn timeline as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs#actual_timeline
22:20.23socinfokblin: The operation succeeded.
22:20.49kblinthese should be the most important ones
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22:37.16carols!gci
22:37.17socinfocarols: Error: "gci" is not a valid command.
22:37.42carols!learn gci as Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See code.google.com/gci
22:37.43socinfocarols: The operation succeeded.
22:37.53carols!couch
22:37.53socinfocarols: Error: "couch" is not a valid command.
22:38.12carols!learn couch as An open source couch on which to chill.
22:38.13socinfocarols: The operation succeeded.
22:38.21carolsthanks socinfo!
22:38.40carolshangs out on the couch
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22:39.28dreimarkhehe
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22:46.45scorchethinks on eating food
22:47.54dreimarkgn
22:48.03dreimarkscorche: bon appetite
23:11.36gchaixI suddenly have this flashback to the MUD/MOO/MUSH world of the early 90's. create couch. sit.
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