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| 03:06.33 | noy | Hey all... anybody on a mac have difficulty downloading the PDF invoice template on the GSOC webpage? |
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| 07:29.55 | kmicinski | Hey all, sweet |
| 07:30.00 | kmicinski | this starts today!? |
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| 07:56.41 | dreimark | kmicinski: today we get which projects take part |
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| 08:34.08 | kai | hmm |
| 08:34.13 | kai | that reminds me... |
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| 08:34.19 | kai | !patience |
| 08:34.19 | socinfo | kai: Error: "patience" is not a valid command. |
| 08:35.07 | kai | !learn patience as Patience is very important in GSoC/GCI. Relax and go code something useful. |
| 08:35.08 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:35.13 | kai | !when |
| 08:35.13 | socinfo | kai: "when" is later |
| 08:35.50 | kai | gives socinfo a cookie |
| 08:42.59 | thebolt | morning kai |
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| 08:44.26 | kai | morning thebolt |
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| 08:53.45 | kai | man, this sure is some nasty OOP code |
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| 08:55.23 | kai | the parent class has funky code in new() that either calls super->new() if it's called from a child class or introspection to actually instantiates a child class when called from elsewhere |
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| 08:57.20 | ojwb | notes it in his evil ideas list |
| 08:59.33 | kai | look at Bio::SearchIO for an example implementation |
| 09:00.04 | kai | and now I need to squeeze in an extra class between the parent and two childs that autodetects which of the two childs to call |
| 09:00.15 | kai | so it will be even more evil in future |
| 09:02.53 | kai | "This is not your fault - author of Bio::SearchIO::hmmer should be blamed!" |
| 09:03.11 | kai | what now, I _am_ the author of that piece of code.. decide, you stupid error handler |
| 09:03.30 | ojwb | "hmmer"? |
| 09:04.05 | thebolt | :P |
| 09:05.17 | kai | ojwb: a program that uses hidden markov models to do profile searches on string sequences |
| 09:05.59 | ojwb | ah, so Hiddern Markov ModellER |
| 09:07.53 | kai | or something like that, yeah |
| 09:10.31 | thebolt | kai: its like when you get those "blah has crashed, contact the developer of the program".. and you are the developer :/ |
| 09:11.04 | ojwb | it's more annoying when it says "ask your sysadmin" |
| 09:13.07 | kai | thebolt: that said, I always send a problem report to microsoft if one of my test programs crashes and burns in windows |
| 09:15.20 | thebolt | kai: :) |
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| 11:57.10 | kai | ha, got it to work.. |
| 11:57.17 | kai | hiedeous piece of code |
| 11:58.23 | thebolt | hehe, i env you (not) ;) |
| 11:59.33 | kai | and I think I've succeeded in making this code completely unmaintainable |
| 11:59.49 | kai | before I push, I need to typo my email address |
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| 12:01.16 | thebolt | haha |
| 12:01.32 | thebolt | by pushing you make yourself the maintainer, congrats :P |
| 12:04.57 | thebolt | but well, if you make unmaintainable code you can as well get to maintain it yourself :) |
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| 13:42.41 | kai | thebolt: I just declare this code "perfect" |
| 13:43.11 | thebolt | kai: just as ms declare darkness standard to avoid changing lightbulb? ;) |
| 13:48.27 | kai | yeah. it passes my tests, so if it fails for you it must obviously be your fault. QED |
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| 15:41.58 | spectie | hey all |
| 15:42.22 | Nightrose | carols: thank you :) |
| 15:42.30 | carols | yw Nightrose :-) |
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| 15:45.53 | spectie | carols, |
| 15:45.59 | carols | spectie, |
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| 15:46.06 | spectie | could i ask a question about GCI: what is the 'contrib template' ? |
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| 15:46.18 | spectie | i checked in the faq and couldn't find anything |
| 15:46.37 | spectie | perhaps i've missed something in an email ? |
| 15:47.06 | carols | SRabbelier: you around? |
| 15:47.17 | spectie | the other boxes have tooltips |
| 15:47.43 | Nightrose | same problem here |
| 15:49.00 | SRabbelier | SRabbelier: always |
| 15:49.10 | spectie | heh |
| 15:49.22 | spectie | SRabbelier, what do you know about the 'contrib template' ? |
| 15:49.29 | SRabbelier | spectie: that field should not be there, apparentl I didn't push the new release yet |
| 15:49.34 | spectie | ah |
| 15:49.41 | spectie | so can i just put in some boiler plate text ? |
| 15:49.45 | SRabbelier | spectie: doing so now, please wait |
| 15:49.47 | spectie | ok |
| 15:49.49 | spectie | no problem |
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| 15:52.49 | SRabbelier | spectie: sorry for the delay, the test suite took a while to run :) |
| 15:53.05 | spectie | :) |
| 15:53.18 | spectie | shall i refresh ? |
| 15:53.20 | SRabbelier | Deploying now, will probably take a few minutes, knowing AppEngine |
| 15:53.26 | spectie | ok |
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| 15:56.54 | SRabbelier | spectie: Allright,we're live. |
| 15:57.55 | spectie | great |
| 15:58.03 | spectie | someone just asked on the list |
| 15:58.06 | spectie | and i quoted you, is that ok ? |
| 15:58.11 | SRabbelier | spectie: Yes, thanks for doing that |
| 15:58.31 | spectie | no problem |
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| 16:20.51 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: you there? |
| 16:21.04 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: yes |
| 16:21.20 | DrJoel | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/program/accepted_orgs/google/gci2010 has empty column for the Ideas Page for the orgs that have filled in the app |
| 16:22.04 | SRabbelier | oh, that's not good |
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| 16:22.19 | DrJoel | And the app didn't ask for the task list page from our wiki. |
| 16:22.35 | DrJoel | I don't know when/where the link to the code in tasks will shop up |
| 16:22.36 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: it didn't need it |
| 16:22.40 | DrJoel | ok |
| 16:22.48 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: you're going to enter them yourself |
| 16:22.56 | DrJoel | ahhh... |
| 16:23.03 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: I'm on the idea thing |
| 16:23.11 | SRabbelier | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=967 |
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| 16:37.09 | spectie | is there any promotional material for GCI that we can localise and distribute ? |
| 16:37.11 | spectie | like for GSOC |
| 16:37.12 | spectie | ? |
| 16:38.24 | SRabbelier | carols: ^ |
| 16:38.54 | carols | spectie: there's a flyer and a logo, would that help you? |
| 16:39.18 | carols | spectie: flyer here: http://code.google.com/p/google-code-in/downloads/list |
| 16:39.39 | spectie | yes |
| 16:39.39 | spectie | definitely |
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| 16:39.46 | carols | spectie: logo here: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/faqs.html#oq3 |
| 16:39.59 | spectie | are we allowed to translate the flyer ? |
| 16:40.49 | spectie | if so would it be possible to upload a .odt ? |
| 16:41.28 | spectie | *an |
| 16:41.41 | carols | spectie: yes, you can, and sure, i can do that |
| 16:41.47 | spectie | thanks :) |
| 16:45.30 | carols | spectie: refresh the page and tell me if that works for you |
| 16:45.49 | spectie | perfect thanks |
| 16:46.09 | spectie | carols, shall i send you translations if i get them ? |
| 16:46.18 | carols | spectie: that would be great, thank you |
| 16:46.22 | spectie | no problem |
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| 17:26.03 | DrJoel | is happy that one of the Huntsville High School counselors has already sent the Code-In flyer to all parents in the school. :-D |
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| 17:30.03 | dreimark | carols: just seen http://code.google.com/intl/de-DE/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html isn't updated yet |
| 17:30.34 | carols | dreimark: we submitted the change about 1/2 and hour ago, should be live in about a 1/2 hour |
| 17:30.40 | dreimark | ok |
| 17:30.45 | dreimark | thx |
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| 17:39.14 | jimregan | found where the offending change was made |
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| 18:26.54 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Google Code-In 2010-11 is on! - Participating projects have been announced - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/faqs.html |
| 18:27.12 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Google Code-In 2010-11 is on! - Participating projects have been announced - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue - Read the FAQs: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/faqs.html |
| 18:28.03 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Google Code-In 2010-11 is on! - Participating projects have been announced at http://goo.gl/AiqkD - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue - Read the FAQs: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/faqs.html |
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| 18:42.27 | Lennie | Anyone from Haiku here? |
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| 19:11.04 | Lennie | Is there someone from Apertium around :)? |
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| 19:13.23 | jimregan | yes :) |
| 19:13.37 | jimregan | spectie is also from Apertium |
| 19:13.44 | spectie | hey Lennie |
| 19:13.46 | spectie | what's up ? |
| 19:13.52 | spectie | have i done something wrong ? |
| 19:17.59 | sl33k | what can a nonparticipant do in gci |
| 19:18.19 | Nightrose | sl33k: promote it |
| 19:18.20 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 19:18.28 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: Lennie Now |
| 19:18.55 | sl33k | indirectly ant thing can be done? |
| 19:18.59 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: hm? |
| 19:19.12 | Lennie | hi spectie |
| 19:19.16 | spectie | Lennie, hi |
| 19:19.18 | Lennie | are you adding tasks for apertium? |
| 19:19.20 | spectie | Lennie, yes |
| 19:19.22 | Lennie | awesome |
| 19:19.25 | spectie | want me to stop ? |
| 19:19.27 | Lennie | no |
| 19:19.28 | Lennie | go for it :) |
| 19:19.29 | spectie | ok |
| 19:19.34 | spectie | :) |
| 19:19.41 | Lennie | just want to remind you that the time you are entering is in hours |
| 19:19.45 | Lennie | and they are still kids |
| 19:19.55 | DrJoel | SRabbelier: for the attempted bulk import again |
| 19:19.55 | spectie | hmm, good point |
| 19:19.58 | Lennie | so I don't know if you can consider 3 hours enough time :) |
| 19:20.05 | Lennie | just a reminder spectie :) |
| 19:20.17 | spectie | well, for me to do one article would take about 10 minutes i think |
| 19:20.18 | Lennie | thanks DrJoel |
| 19:20.18 | DrJoel | the hours estimate is hard to come up with |
| 19:20.26 | spectie | so i was giving them three times as much |
| 19:20.32 | spectie | perhaps five times as much would be better |
| 19:20.37 | Lennie | DrJoel: You can always extend later, but they are still kids |
| 19:20.48 | Lennie | and the task will always auto-extend 24 hours the first time anyway |
| 19:20.51 | Lennie | as set by the contest rules |
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| 19:21.30 | DrJoel | is the hours a clock time? not a man-hours? |
| 19:21.40 | spectie | oh, i thought it was personhours |
| 19:22.04 | Lennie | it is clock time from the moment that the claim is accepted |
| 19:22.12 | Nightrose | yea what happens if the mentor doesn't reply in time for a short task? |
| 19:22.21 | Nightrose | i expect my mentors to respond timely but... |
| 19:22.23 | DrJoel | me too.. all of ours are 3-8 hours.. which is obviously too low for a timer.. :( |
| 19:22.30 | Lennie | there is no way "melange" can keep track of man hours properly :) |
| 19:22.34 | spectie | ok |
| 19:22.43 | spectie | so we should set it to 24 at the minimum |
| 19:22.47 | Lennie | I guess so |
| 19:22.51 | spectie | are we allowed to extend it ? |
| 19:22.54 | Lennie | yes |
| 19:22.56 | spectie | ok good |
| 19:23.11 | Lennie | if you feel the student is doing okay you can always extend it once the time runs out |
| 19:23.18 | spectie | k |
| 19:23.35 | spectie | i'll set to 48 by default |
| 19:23.48 | DrJoel | so < 4 hours ==> 1 day, our 6 and 8 hour tasks ==> 2 days |
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| 19:24.06 | DrJoel | spectie: I tend to agree if it is a time limit not a person hour estimate |
| 19:25.05 | DrJoel | Lennie: when I hit reload on the task list, I alternate between a server error and showing no tasks |
| 19:26.09 | Nightrose | i get server errors too |
| 19:26.12 | Nightrose | every now and then |
| 19:26.18 | Lennie | yeah appengine is doing cool stuff |
| 19:26.23 | Lennie | it is trying to load the right django |
| 19:26.24 | Nightrose | :P |
| 19:26.28 | Lennie | but saying another version is in use |
| 19:26.29 | Lennie | so awesome :D |
| 19:26.40 | Nightrose | give it a hug from us |
| 19:26.41 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 19:26.49 | Lennie | oh and the mapreduce that is doing some database fixes (something that they wrote) is doing awesome timeouts :D |
| 19:27.01 | Lennie | anyway, we'll figure it out |
| 19:27.11 | Lennie | that's why there is 17 more days to go :) |
| 19:27.29 | DrJoel | i'm not worried. I have faith in you guys.. |
| 19:29.37 | Nightrose | 17? omg... |
| 19:29.45 | Nightrose | the suspense will kill me |
| 19:29.46 | Nightrose | :P |
| 19:30.05 | Nightrose | that being said we already have the first interested students show up |
| 19:30.06 | Nightrose | \o/ |
| 19:33.46 | DrJoel | Nightrose: Very cool! what are they interested in |
| 19:34.11 | Nightrose | just general snooping around so far and looking at our ideas page |
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| 19:42.11 | lanka2 | hi, can anyone tell me the general irc channel for Google Code-In? |
| 19:44.50 | DrJoel | Lennie: still no tasks in the list |
| 19:45.35 | DrJoel | lanka2: I think this is the channel. At the mentor summit, it was mentioned that this channel already had the same people in it |
| 19:45.44 | Nightrose | jep it i |
| 19:45.45 | Nightrose | s |
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| 20:15.36 | Lennie | DrJoel: Thanks joel |
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| 20:28.04 | gchaix | is anyone else seeing a server error page on http://www.google-melange.com/? |
| 20:28.13 | gchaix | whoops ... just saw the backlog |
| 20:28.16 | gchaix | shuts up now |
| 20:28.43 | DrJoel | gchaix: LOL |
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| 20:36.40 | Lennie | Yeah some of the instances appengine is putting up are not behaving as they should |
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| 20:44.34 | DrJoel | just got "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again". I think the idea of bulk importing tasks will have to wait until Monday |
| 20:46.04 | Lennie | yeah just give it a rest :) |
| 20:46.35 | Lennie | just let us know on monday since the logs are buried thanks to appengine doing with stuff with django versions at the moment |
| 20:47.30 | DrJoel | ok.. you all take it easy |
| 20:47.32 | DrJoel | thanks |
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| 20:53.06 | Lennie | SRabbelier: Do you think it sounds reasonable that the mapreducer that is launching new instances actually installs django 0.94 and then when a normal hit occurs on that instance we try to load 1.0? |
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| 20:58.39 | SRabbelier | Lennie: aaaaah |
| 20:58.41 | SRabbelier | Lennie: yes, perhaps! |
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| 21:30.12 | MatthewWilkes | Yay GCI :) |
| 21:30.16 | spectie | :D |
| 21:30.51 | spectie | although melange seems to be taking a hit |
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| 21:36.01 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: oooh, apertium got accepted? Congratulations! |
| 21:36.13 | spectie | yep :D |
| 21:36.13 | spectie | thanks |
| 21:36.14 | spectie | you too! |
| 21:36.21 | MatthewWilkes | Wow, that's a great ideas list |
| 21:36.36 | spectie | we came up with ideas |
| 21:36.42 | spectie | then realised that they weren't specific enough |
| 21:36.54 | spectie | e.g. "do X for any language pair" |
| 21:36.56 | MatthewWilkes | and duplicated with specifics? We did the same |
| 21:37.00 | spectie | yeah |
| 21:37.11 | MatthewWilkes | still, didn't get as many as yours |
| 21:37.44 | spectie | well, we can pretty much times everything by 43,000 |
| 21:38.00 | spectie | do X for chechen and finnish |
| 21:38.02 | spectie | for example :) |
| 21:38.10 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
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| 22:12.57 | SRabbelier | is curious now |
| 22:13.01 | SRabbelier | spectie: linky? |
| 22:13.16 | spectie | SRabbelier, heh |
| 22:13.26 | spectie | http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Task_ideas_for_Google_Code-in#Task_list |
| 22:14.41 | spectie | i've managed to import 4 so far |
| 22:14.42 | spectie | :) |
| 22:15.01 | SRabbelier | spectie: ah, yes, I hope that mapreduce will finish soon |
| 22:15.20 | SRabbelier | spectie: nice list though! |
| 22:15.25 | spectie | thanks |
| 22:15.35 | spectie | i still have some i haven't added |
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| 22:55.21 | jrabbit | Oooh, the Haiku proejct has some python issues |
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