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| 00:26.56 | aviraldg | Hi All. |
| 00:27.09 | aviraldg | If we submit a task (about now) |
| 00:27.17 | aviraldg | can it be reviewed after the deadline? |
| 00:30.23 | ojwb | aviraldg: nobody here seems to know |
| 00:30.35 | ojwb | (same question was asked earlier) |
| 00:30.42 | aviraldg | hmmm |
| 00:30.45 | aviraldg | okay, |
| 00:30.48 | aviraldg | thanks anyway |
| 00:31.26 | aviraldg | My mentor's on vacation, so I thought I could submit the task and he could review it when he got back... |
| 00:31.27 | aviraldg | but |
| 00:31.30 | aviraldg | thanks anyway |
| 00:32.06 | ojwb | there's nothing to lose by submitting it that I can see |
| 00:32.21 | ojwb | but perhaps talk to an admin for the org |
| 00:32.29 | aviraldg | aviraldg: yeah, that's what I'll do |
| 00:32.32 | aviraldg | btw |
| 00:32.39 | aviraldg | he *is* the admin for the org |
| 00:32.50 | ojwb | oops |
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| 00:56.37 | jrabbit | Will students not eligible for this years google summer of code be eligible for a second GCI if it's repeated? |
| 00:57.09 | summatusmentis | the eligibility requirements are different between the two programs |
| 00:57.33 | jrabbit | mixed up the dates |
| 00:57.37 | jrabbit | nvm I'll be fine |
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| 01:33.33 | GautamGupta | Hello, is anyone there? |
| 01:34.32 | GautamGupta | It's written "January 10, 2011, 12:00 AM Pacific Time / 08:00 UTC: All work stops" |
| 01:34.33 | GautamGupta | So we take 12:00 AM as 00:00 or noon? |
| 01:35.51 | ojwb | well, the UTC time is completely unambiguous... |
| 01:36.16 | ojwb | since the US is behind europe, it must be 12:00AM must mean 00:00 |
| 01:36.24 | kstar | GautamGupta: 8 AM UTC => 13:30 IST, if you are in India. |
| 01:36.35 | aviraldg | ojwb: or the UTC could be in PM |
| 01:36.47 | ojwb | no, that would be 20:00 or 8pm |
| 01:39.09 | thebolt | UTC is never used with am/pm (if used correctly ;) |
| 01:40.30 | aviraldg | ojwb: ? |
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| 03:33.10 | scottmc | 08:00UTC is now about 4 and a half hours away... |
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| 03:43.02 | Dark_Shikari | Any admins on? We have a student with a few tasks left to submit, but our org admin is asleep and probably won't be awake until after the deadline, so he can't approve more tasks. |
| 03:43.20 | Dark_Shikari | We didn't quite realize how many bugs this student had fixed. |
| 03:43.27 | Dark_Shikari | and our admin didn't like approving 30 tasks at a time. |
| 03:43.36 | Dark_Shikari | (for GCI) |
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| 04:34.02 | scottmc | does your org have a backup admin? |
| 04:34.24 | scottmc | i'm the admin for Haiku but not sure that I can help |
| 04:34.25 | Dark_Shikari | I don't think so? |
| 04:35.42 | scottmc | hopefully your org admin wakes up with enough time to mark them as complete |
| 04:37.45 | scottmc | which org are you with? |
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| 04:39.24 | Dark_Shikari | Videolan |
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| 06:08.14 | aviraldg | can tasks be reviewed/closed after the deadline (2 hours from now?)? |
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| 06:23.00 | kblin | !next |
| 06:23.00 | socinfo | kblin: "next" is January 10, 2011, 08:00 UTC: All work stops |
| 06:23.23 | Dark_Shikari | wonders where the hell admins are |
| 06:24.49 | aviraldg | kblin: including reviewing/closing of tasks by mentors? |
| 06:25.06 | aviraldg | wonders the same |
| 06:26.24 | kblin | Dark_Shikari, aviraldg: no idea, this is my first GCI as well |
| 06:26.45 | aviraldg | hmm |
| 06:26.57 | aviraldg | but I guess you can't expect the admins to be online |
| 06:27.07 | aviraldg | since it's close to 12:00 in the US |
| 06:28.21 | kblin | have you tried asking the melange folks? |
| 06:28.32 | kblin | they should know how their software works :) |
| 06:28.34 | aviraldg | nobody online in #melange |
| 06:28.54 | Dark_Shikari | kblin: oh you. |
| 06:29.46 | kblin | well, it's a bit early for europe |
| 06:30.11 | kblin | Dark_Shikari: if it's really a problem, send carol an email |
| 06:30.26 | Dark_Shikari | well she certainly won't get it in time... |
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| 07:20.36 | Nightrose | Dark_Shikari: call j-b? |
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| 08:00.32 | aviraldg | Hi. |
| 08:00.41 | aviraldg | Is the contest "over" yet? |
| 08:01.07 | Nightrose | aviraldg: it should be yes |
| 08:01.18 | aviraldg | because it's 1:30 PM IST, 8 AM GMT, 12:00 AM PST |
| 08:01.25 | aviraldg | hmmmm |
| 08:01.35 | aviraldg | shouldn't there be some sort of announcement or something |
| 08:01.53 | aviraldg | to indicate the end of the contest? |
| 08:02.28 | Nightrose | it's midnight on a sunday - carol is probably sleeping |
| 08:02.44 | aviraldg | hmmm |
| 08:02.47 | aviraldg | okay |
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| 08:04.43 | GautamGupta | Is this thing over or not? |
| 08:04.49 | GautamGupta | I can still claim tasks! |
| 08:06.11 | GautamGupta | _buzz_ |
| 08:06.51 | dreimark | from my interpretation formerly it is over |
| 08:07.34 | Nightrose | yes i can't load the admin task list anymore |
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| 08:08.55 | GautamGupta | Nightrose: Are you a mentor? |
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| 08:09.02 | Nightrose | yes |
| 08:09.04 | Nightrose | and admin |
| 08:09.31 | GautamGupta | Oh |
| 08:10.09 | GautamGupta | But then why is http://www.google-melange.com./gci/program/list_tasks/google/gci2010 showing tasks and I'm still able to claim tasks? |
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| 08:10.32 | aviraldg | I can still submit tasks |
| 08:10.50 | Nightrose | -.- |
| 08:10.50 | dreimark | may be it takes just a bit to lock down |
| 08:11.29 | GautamGupta | Hmm |
| 08:11.36 | aviraldg | I hope it doesn't... because I'm in a very precarious situation |
| 08:11.36 | GautamGupta | If mentors can't see tasks |
| 08:11.41 | GautamGupta | students can't get more points |
| 08:11.45 | GautamGupta | the work stops |
| 08:11.47 | GautamGupta | logical |
| 08:12.32 | Nightrose | aviraldg: you're #10? |
| 08:12.46 | GautamGupta | And I'm #5 ;) |
| 08:12.51 | aviraldg | Nightrose: yes |
| 08:13.00 | Nightrose | cause if you get beat now i'm sure you can make a case to have that fixed |
| 08:13.00 | aviraldg | and only by 2 points |
| 08:13.08 | aviraldg | Nightrose: ^ |
| 08:13.28 | aviraldg | hmmm ... yeah, I guess |
| 08:13.34 | kai | aviraldg: what Nightrose said |
| 08:13.59 | kai | not that I speak for google or anything, but I've found the folks over there to be very nice and sensible people |
| 08:14.15 | aviraldg | yeah |
| 08:14.23 | aviraldg | really, google I amazing |
| 08:14.31 | aviraldg | I want to work there someday |
| 08:14.41 | aviraldg | *is |
| 08:16.25 | kai | aviraldg: have fun in college first :) |
| 08:16.32 | kai | one step at a time :) |
| 08:16.53 | aviraldg | kai: yes :'( |
| 08:17.30 | aviraldg | more than 50% of the stuff I study in school is irrelevant to what I want to do |
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| 08:17.34 | thebolt | hi kai , Nightrose , how're you doing? |
| 08:17.53 | Nightrose | pretty good now that code-in is over and i can get some rest ;-) |
| 08:17.55 | Nightrose | and you? |
| 08:18.16 | aviraldg | :) |
| 08:18.30 | Nightrose | alright folks - time or workwork |
| 08:18.31 | Nightrose | laters |
| 08:18.48 | GautamGupta | aviraldg: More than 90% stuff I study in school is irrelevant to me ;) |
| 08:19.07 | thebolt | Nightrose: busy, as always:) |
| 08:20.15 | kai | aviraldg: you will find once you're in college that you'll say the same, because your view on what you do narrows |
| 08:21.17 | thebolt | thing is, it will take you a while to figure out which 10% is relevant |
| 08:21.22 | thebolt | and the 10% might change over time |
| 08:21.39 | thebolt | (hopefully) |
| 08:22.42 | GautamGupta | The only thing I understand these days is <?php ?> :P |
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| 08:27.20 | kai | GautamGupta: that's not bad. if you understand this, you know more than a lot of web programmers out there :) |
| 08:27.46 | GautamGupta | Thanks kai :) |
| 08:28.37 | kai | now, if you also understand the idea of not mixing html with inline php code more than necessary, you also know more than most of the web programmers I worked with |
| 08:29.11 | GautamGupta | Yup, I never mix them both.. :) |
| 08:31.18 | spectie | wow i wasn't expecting it closed so soon |
| 08:33.17 | GautamGupta | spectie: Yeah, just 1.5 months approx.. |
| 08:34.06 | andre__ | meh, blocking access to the admins' tasks overview also means that I can't create stats for my orga... |
| 08:35.01 | spectie | GautamGupta, i mean today :) |
| 08:35.20 | spectie | i was expecting it to be open until 9am |
| 08:35.24 | spectie | and aye andre__ |
| 08:35.25 | GautamGupta | oh.. :P |
| 08:35.40 | andre__ | hola |
| 08:36.02 | spectie | hola, qué tal ? |
| 08:36.23 | andre__ | damn, my spanish is too limited for that :-D |
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| 08:37.07 | andre__ | next time I'd like to not see the term "12 AM" in any deadline, as it can mean noon or midnight, depending on who's interpreting it |
| 08:37.13 | andre__ | should file a bug report maybe |
| 08:37.43 | aviraldg | andre__: me too |
| 08:38.32 | kai | er |
| 08:38.51 | kai | andre__: that's why there was a UTC time as well |
| 08:39.17 | andre__ | kai: does not really help me if I don't know if it refers to the same day or the one after, depending on the AM time ;-) |
| 08:39.28 | kai | !next |
| 08:39.29 | socinfo | kai: "next" is January 10, 2011, 08:00 UTC: All work stops |
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| 08:39.45 | kai | how is that ambiguous as to which day it is? |
| 08:39.46 | andre__ | that one is clear, yeah. the ones I've seen weren't. |
| 08:39.57 | kai | it's right out of the.. |
| 08:39.59 | kai | !timeline |
| 08:39.59 | socinfo | kai: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs#actual_timeline |
| 08:40.02 | andre__ | "The contest ends at January 10, 2011, 12:00 AM Pacific Time / 08:00 UTC" |
| 08:40.07 | aviraldg | !help |
| 08:40.08 | socinfo | aviraldg: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 08:40.26 | kai | yeah |
| 08:40.39 | kai | so Jan 10, 2011, 08:00 UTC |
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| 08:40.54 | andre__ | as "12:00" can have quite some meanings (e.g. the very last second of January 10), it can also mean 08:00 UTC on Jan 11 |
| 08:41.42 | thebolt | andre__: the last second of a day is 11:59:59 unless you have a leap second (but then its 11:59:60 ;) |
| 08:42.09 | andre__ | s/very last second/very last second +1/ |
| 08:42.23 | kai | what thebolt said, not that I want to defend the imprial time system |
| 08:42.32 | andre__ | see my correction... |
| 08:45.26 | kai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock |
| 08:46.03 | kai | but of course I agree 24h system > 12h system |
| 08:46.41 | kai | not only because 36 > 18 |
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| 09:11.56 | Nightrose | thebolt: hehe that's good i assume? ;-) |
| 09:13.03 | thebolt | Nightrose: in general yes.. today i am terribly tired though, too much social activities this weekend :P |
| 09:13.41 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 09:14.42 | thebolt | in fact, thinking about taking an hour nap before continuing to work |
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| 09:33.46 | ThomasWaldmann | how can i see work submissions done in the past 10h? |
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| 10:21.49 | spectie | !next |
| 10:21.49 | socinfo | spectie: "next" is January 10, 2011, 08:00 UTC: All work stops |
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| 10:31.43 | GautamGupta | !next |
| 10:31.43 | socinfo | GautamGupta: "next" is January 10, 2011, 08:00 UTC: All work stops |
| 10:32.01 | GautamGupta | :O ^ |
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| 10:35.45 | ojwb | nobody updated it yet |
| 10:36.04 | aviraldg | ojwb: what? |
| 10:36.34 | ojwb | the thing we were talking about before you connected |
| 10:37.00 | aviraldg | uhm ... and what was that? (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 10:37.19 | GautamGupta | !next |
| 10:37.19 | socinfo | GautamGupta: "next" is January 10, 2011, 08:00 UTC: All work stops |
| 10:37.25 | GautamGupta | this ^ |
| 10:37.45 | aviraldg | oh |
| 10:37.51 | aviraldg | the response from the bot |
| 10:38.05 | aviraldg | should be February something, right? |
| 10:39.42 | kai | well, then fix it? |
| 10:39.58 | kai | !forget next |
| 10:39.59 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:40.08 | kai | !learn next as February 14, 2011: Open source projects announce Grand Prize Winners |
| 10:40.08 | socinfo | kai: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:40.31 | aviraldg | !next |
| 10:40.32 | socinfo | aviraldg: "next" is February 14, 2011: Open source projects announce Grand Prize Winners |
| 10:40.54 | ojwb | hmm, and the date continues the code==love meme |
| 10:52.24 | ThomasWaldmann | to answer my own question from above "My tasks" menu entry works for me (as admin and mentor), while "View all tasks" does not. |
| 10:53.36 | ojwb | ThomasWaldmann: so you're still able to mark tasks as complete? |
| 10:53.51 | ojwb | people were asking if that would be possible after the deadline |
| 10:54.11 | aviraldg | ThomasWalmann: Yeah, can you still close tasks? |
| 10:54.21 | aviraldg | * |
| 10:54.37 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: Yeah, can you still close tasks? |
| 10:54.44 | ThomasWaldmann | ojwb: i did not try |
| 10:54.55 | ThomasWaldmann | the menu items are there, though |
| 10:55.10 | aviraldg | could you try? |
| 10:55.27 | ThomasWaldmann | i was just looking at some hindi translation task, but i need more opinions on it |
| 10:55.29 | ojwb | aviraldg: presumably only if there's a task he wants to close... |
| 10:55.50 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: I know Hindi. |
| 10:55.56 | ThomasWaldmann | (for me, it is not enough to be acceptable) |
| 10:55.58 | aviraldg | I could help you have a look at it |
| 10:56.03 | ThomasWaldmann | aviraldg: ah, great :) |
| 10:56.23 | ThomasWaldmann | http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/hi < this is the one in question |
| 10:56.51 | Nightrose | can you please not try? |
| 10:56.55 | Nightrose | the contest is over |
| 10:57.03 | ThomasWaldmann | http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/hi2 < this is one we ("accidentally") got later we accepted that one. |
| 10:57.05 | Nightrose | it'd be unfair to other students |
| 10:57.25 | ThomasWaldmann | Nightrose: we are only talking about submission that have been done before the deadline |
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| 10:57.52 | Nightrose | i still think it'd be unfair |
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| 10:58.09 | ThomasWaldmann | it's not the students fault that I was sleeping until recently :D |
| 10:58.27 | aviraldg | Nightrose: I don't want tasks to be closed either |
| 10:58.38 | aviraldg | I just want to know whether it can be done or not |
| 10:58.40 | Nightrose | no but it's also not the other student's fault either |
| 10:58.44 | gevaerts | ThomasWaldmann: you could have given them your phone number, and then it would have been :) |
| 10:58.57 | ojwb | the same rules presumably apply to everyone, so to me it seems it would only be unfair in as much as it wasn't clearly advertised how the cutoff would work |
| 10:59.02 | Nightrose | say you approve this task now and kick someone from the top 10 |
| 10:59.16 | ThomasWaldmann | gevaerts: :P |
| 10:59.19 | Nightrose | that'd be extremely disappointing |
| 10:59.58 | aviraldg | Nightrose: I have all the more reason to support that, (10th by 2 points) |
| 11:00.14 | aviraldg | I just wanted to know if GCI has been "locked down" |
| 11:00.33 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe. i doubt that the student in question is near the top 10. |
| 11:01.40 | Nightrose | there might be a case where he is |
| 11:01.44 | aviraldg | Nightrose: Plus, it appears that no Google employees are online, neither here, nor on #melange |
| 11:02.04 | Nightrose | aviraldg: yea it's very early morning in carol land |
| 11:02.11 | Nightrose | she'll be around soon i'm sure |
| 11:02.28 | aviraldg | carol land :D haah |
| 11:02.30 | gevaerts | And then wish she hadn't woken up :) |
| 11:02.36 | ThomasWaldmann | yes, i also think we need better specs of the deadline next time. |
| 11:02.37 | aviraldg | yeah |
| 11:02.52 | Nightrose | agreed |
| 11:02.54 | aviraldg | gevaerts: ????? |
| 11:03.17 | gevaerts | aviraldg: when she looks at her inbox I mean |
| 11:03.19 | ThomasWaldmann | but unless clarified otherwise, i have to think of it as a student deadline and if student submits valid work 1s before it, it should be possible to accept it. |
| 11:03.32 | aviraldg | yeah ;) |
| 11:04.00 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: I was under the same impression |
| 11:05.10 | ThomasWaldmann | aviraldg: did you have a look at MoinI18n/hi and /hi2? |
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| 11:06.17 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, the first part of your nick sounds like a german antivirus company :D |
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| 11:09.08 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: I've had a look at the translation thing |
| 11:09.16 | aviraldg | some of them are okay |
| 11:09.23 | aviraldg | and some of them are just ... wierd |
| 11:09.34 | aviraldg | for example, this one: |
| 11:09.37 | aviraldg | 0025: msgid "Invalid username or password." |
| 11:09.39 | aviraldg | 0026: msgstr "पà¥à¤°à¤¯à¥à¤à¤à¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¾ à¤à¤¾ नाम à¤à¤° सà¤à¤à¥à¤¤ शबà¥à¤¦ à¤
मानà¥à¤¯ " |
| 11:09.48 | aviraldg | the translation literally means |
| 11:10.20 | ThomasWaldmann | (we are talking about /hi, right?) |
| 11:10.30 | aviraldg | "The user's name and indication-word are unacceptable." |
| 11:11.15 | ThomasWaldmann | sounds unacceptable ;) |
| 11:11.20 | aviraldg | and there are some errors |
| 11:11.23 | aviraldg | 0036: msgid "Your changes are not saved!" |
| 11:11.24 | aviraldg | 0037: msgstr "à¤à¤ªà¤à¤¾ परिवरà¥à¤¤à¤¨ सà¥à¤°à¤à¥à¤·à¤¿à¤¤ नहà¥à¤ à¤à¤¿à¤¯à¤¾ à¤à¤¯à¤¾à¥¤ " |
| 11:11.28 | aviraldg | literally translated means |
| 11:11.46 | aviraldg | Your *change* is not safe. |
| 11:12.10 | ThomasWaldmann | argh |
| 11:12.36 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, found the strings on /hi |
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| 11:13.03 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, i guess I don't need to accept that one. it has also lots of gettext errors. |
| 11:13.11 | ThomasWaldmann | aviraldg: /hi2 any better? |
| 11:13.15 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: I for one certainly don't like internationalization. I would be very irritated indeed if an app I use showed up in Hindi. |
| 11:13.45 | ThomasWaldmann | if you have "en" in your browser or user settings, you'll get that :) |
| 11:14.13 | aviraldg | I know, I do. But just saying... |
| 11:14.28 | aviraldg | almost everyone in the world knows English |
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| 11:15.43 | GautamGupta | http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/hi -> This really looks like Google Translated |
| 11:15.52 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: The moment I saw it |
| 11:15.57 | aviraldg | I had a hunch about it |
| 11:16.03 | aviraldg | and indeed it is |
| 11:16.16 | aviraldg | GautamGupta: it is Google Translate'd |
| 11:16.48 | GautamGupta | http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/hi2 -> This too, both contain grammatical errors |
| 11:16.58 | aviraldg | btw. |
| 11:17.01 | aviraldg | the first one isn't |
| 11:17.04 | aviraldg | the second one is |
| 11:17.14 | aviraldg | GautamGupta: read ^ |
| 11:18.21 | GautamGupta | aviraldg: If it had not been Google Translated, it'd have been atleast making *some* sense, but it is making none |
| 11:18.41 | aviraldg | the first document makes sense |
| 11:18.46 | aviraldg | but there are some errors |
| 11:18.46 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe rather google translate should have shown these 500 server error more often in the past weeks :D |
| 11:19.11 | GautamGupta | lol |
| 11:19.34 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, i am a bit confused, so which are very likely GT-output? |
| 11:19.43 | aviraldg | I'd say second one |
| 11:19.53 | aviraldg | the second one matches word for word |
| 11:19.59 | GautamGupta | Hmm |
| 11:20.16 | ThomasWaldmann | great :| |
| 11:20.20 | aviraldg | the first one looks like it's hand translated, but there are errors |
| 11:20.47 | ThomasWaldmann | is google translate outputting very formal hard-core hindi? |
| 11:20.56 | aviraldg | yeah |
| 11:21.03 | aviraldg | mostly |
| 11:21.14 | aviraldg | and some stuff that just doesn't make sens |
| 11:21.16 | GautamGupta | but very much incorrect |
| 11:21.17 | aviraldg | *sense |
| 11:21.40 | ThomasWaldmann | any proof of something that can't be human in /hi2? |
| 11:21.41 | GautamGupta | * words are correct, not the sentence formation |
| 11:22.17 | aviraldg | * certain english words written in the devnagri(hindi) script |
| 11:22.20 | GautamGupta | The english version means the opposite of this - विà¤à¥ वरà¥à¤¤à¤®à¤¾à¤¨ मà¥à¤ पहà¥à¤à¤ सॠबाहर नहà¥à¤ हà¥. |
| 11:22.22 | aviraldg | but not translated |
| 11:22.40 | aviraldg | yeah :D |
| 11:22.48 | GautamGupta | Should have been विà¤à¥ वरà¥à¤¤à¤®à¤¾à¤¨ मà¥à¤ पहà¥à¤à¤ सॠबाहर हà¥| |
| 11:23.02 | aviraldg | computers always stumble up on the "not" |
| 11:23.22 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: gettext should be modified to use Google Translate output for a language if po files for it are not available... |
| 11:23.50 | GautamGupta | aviraldg: Try out GlotPress |
| 11:24.00 | aviraldg | what's that? |
| 11:24.05 | GautamGupta | Google |
| 11:24.08 | GautamGupta | ;) |
| 11:24.13 | thebolt | in general google translate have big problems with the grammar if the language is very different from english |
| 11:24.29 | aviraldg | yeah |
| 11:24.32 | GautamGupta | right |
| 11:24.42 | thebolt | Ãt trips up pretty badly on english->chinese as well |
| 11:25.03 | aviraldg | GautamGupta: sounds pretty cool |
| 11:25.05 | thebolt | (i've noticed, and i am just beginning to learn it ;) |
| 11:25.28 | aviraldg | I want to learn Japanese ... to read the cool comics they have |
| 11:25.43 | thebolt | heh |
| 11:26.04 | thebolt | i have a friend back in sweden who taught himself to read (and write) japanese through and because of comics |
| 11:26.07 | thebolt | he cannot speak though |
| 11:26.44 | aviraldg | thebolt: I tried to learn Kanji once, but I found it too difficult |
| 11:27.33 | thebolt | aviraldg: hehe, just have to practice.. ;) |
| 11:28.03 | thebolt | i'm learning tradiitional chinese script (ie not "simplified" which sometimes isn't simpler really :P) |
| 11:29.31 | ThomasWaldmann | while we are at it, some magyar (hu) native speaker here? |
| 11:30.20 | GautamGupta | Hmm.. the CSV export for ranks just vanished..?? |
| 11:30.25 | GautamGupta | Oh it is there |
| 11:31.40 | ThomasWaldmann | i guess we need some google-translate-checker before next gci :) |
| 11:32.23 | thebolt | ThomasWaldmann: or not have such tasks ;) |
| 11:32.41 | GautamGupta | ThomasWaldmann: Istead, just install GlotPress on a server, upload your POT file, bulk auto translate - all translations would be marked as fuzzy |
| 11:32.46 | GautamGupta | and the user would have to correct them |
| 11:32.56 | GautamGupta | would also show history |
| 11:33.24 | ThomasWaldmann | thebolt: yeah :| but aside from cheating being possible and gt being abused, i think those are nice tasks for non-coding people. |
| 11:34.30 | ThomasWaldmann | GautamGupta: i don't know glotpress, but if you start from an automated translation, outcome might be worse than when starting from scratch |
| 11:34.51 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: No offence to "non-coding" people |
| 11:35.01 | thebolt | ThomasWaldmann: yes, true |
| 11:35.02 | aviraldg | but I think almost no one in the top ten |
| 11:35.10 | aviraldg | falls in the category of "non-coding" people |
| 11:35.19 | GautamGupta | That's right ^ |
| 11:35.21 | aviraldg | maybe even top 50 |
| 11:35.25 | aviraldg | or 100 |
| 11:36.00 | Ivanovic | simply because coders tend to think that the non coding tasks can't be this difficult |
| 11:36.11 | Ivanovic | and those entering tasks tend to be coders... |
| 11:36.12 | ThomasWaldmann | aviraldg: that might be true, but the contest is not only about the top 10/50 |
| 11:36.13 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 11:36.27 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: Yep. |
| 11:36.34 | aviraldg | Just saying... |
| 11:37.02 | ThomasWaldmann | a general issue this time was that "difficulty" stuff |
| 11:37.16 | aviraldg | was it any different last time? |
| 11:37.29 | ThomasWaldmann | don't remember :) |
| 11:37.47 | aviraldg | from the next time, I'd like the system to be like GSoC |
| 11:37.59 | ThomasWaldmann | a) it was handled quite differently (i have seen "fix an easy bug" with 4 points) |
| 11:37.59 | aviraldg | wherein, there is a student-project link |
| 11:38.16 | ThomasWaldmann | b) difficulty is something different than effort needed |
| 11:38.26 | Ivanovic | ThomasWaldmann: yeah |
| 11:38.40 | aviraldg | or as GautamGupta pointed out to me (several) times |
| 11:38.43 | Ivanovic | ThomasWaldmann: especially for eg many translation tasks the difficulty itself is medium to easy |
| 11:38.58 | aviraldg | the difficulty level of one project != the difficulty level of another |
| 11:39.11 | aviraldg | so the tasks for some projects tend to be overrated |
| 11:39.15 | Ivanovic | but the amount of time required to do it "right" (at least in the case of wesnoth!) is quite a lot |
| 11:39.28 | aviraldg | Ivanovic: are you from wesnoth? |
| 11:39.31 | ThomasWaldmann | Ivanovic: exactly. |
| 11:39.32 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 11:39.47 | ThomasWaldmann | so I'ld wish for either |
| 11:39.52 | aviraldg | Ivanovic: I wanted to do some wesnoth C++ programming tasks |
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| 11:40.02 | aviraldg | but it looks like you guys only ever had one |
| 11:40.05 | Ivanovic | aviraldg: you could have come to irc and just asked for some! |
| 11:40.08 | ThomasWaldmann | a) just points (either for effort or for difficulty or both, org decides) |
| 11:40.21 | ThomasWaldmann | b) difficulty AND effort |
| 11:40.27 | Ivanovic | aviraldg: it is hard to add coding tasks in the tracker because it is difficult to judge what is really in the scope |
| 11:40.44 | aviraldg | hmm... |
| 11:40.48 | Ivanovic | ThomasWaldmann: org decides the number of points, done |
| 11:41.00 | Ivanovic | (where the org can select between 1 and 10 points or the likes) |
| 11:41.01 | ThomasWaldmann | that would be easiest, yes |
| 11:41.01 | aviraldg | also |
| 11:41.14 | aviraldg | I think you should be allowed to do multiple tasks at a time |
| 11:41.24 | aviraldg | with permission from a mentor |
| 11:41.32 | Ivanovic | aviraldg: at least it should be possible to claim a new task once the task is "under review" |
| 11:41.44 | ThomasWaldmann | Ivanovic: but then there is still the reward per 3 tasks thing |
| 11:41.49 | Ivanovic | simply because eg translation tasks require a lot more review time than lets say a 5 line patch |
| 11:41.59 | aviraldg | for example, I had this situation where I had completed a task which I did claim |
| 11:42.04 | aviraldg | and I could not submit it |
| 11:42.19 | aviraldg | because other people kept claiming it before me |
| 11:42.31 | aviraldg | (*none* of them completed it either) |
| 11:42.38 | aviraldg | finally, my mentor, nice guy that he is |
| 11:42.46 | aviraldg | created a separate task for me |
| 11:43.00 | ThomasWaldmann | aviraldg: how can someone claim something you have already claimed? |
| 11:43.00 | aviraldg | so, I think you should "link" students to projects |
| 11:43.04 | Ivanovic | aviraldg: yeah, that is basically what we were doing those last three days, too |
| 11:43.14 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: no, I hadn't claimed it |
| 11:43.24 | aviraldg | I was waiting for another task to be reviewed |
| 11:43.33 | ThomasWaldmann | aviraldg: ah |
| 11:43.34 | Ivanovic | (simply because we would have to review the work done in parallel to the student working or we could not be 100% sure that the task was really done in time and acknowledged) |
| 11:43.36 | aviraldg | so I started working on that one (it was free then) |
| 11:44.20 | GautamGupta | No one except me (excluding 1 or 2) did bbPress tasks |
| 11:44.21 | aviraldg | + I think people are generally more motivated to execute their own ideas, than someone else's |
| 11:44.26 | GautamGupta | so I really didn't have much problem ;) |
| 11:44.29 | aviraldg | *GautamGupta |
| 11:44.33 | aviraldg | almost same here |
| 11:44.38 | aviraldg | me |
| 11:44.40 | aviraldg | and another guy |
| 11:44.53 | aviraldg | Johnadel Maceda |
| 11:45.12 | GautamGupta | hm |
| 11:45.36 | aviraldg | btw. |
| 11:45.53 | aviraldg | does anyone know why the Python project wasn't participating this time? |
| 11:46.11 | ThomasWaldmann | not really |
| 11:46.12 | aviraldg | it appears that it had participated in GHOP |
| 11:47.01 | ThomasWaldmann | but you could get your byte of Python at moin wiki project :) |
| 11:47.51 | aviraldg | yeah, I was thinking about doing that |
| 11:47.58 | aviraldg | when GCI started though, |
| 11:48.13 | aviraldg | almost none of the moinmoin mentors were around |
| 11:48.32 | aviraldg | so I ended up doing just a logo task (you'll find it on your sphinx doc page) |
| 11:49.38 | aviraldg | ThomasWaldmann: ? |
| 11:52.49 | ThomasWaldmann | we were quite present, maybe you had the wrong daytime? |
| 11:53.55 | aviraldg | hmm |
| 11:54.00 | aviraldg | probably |
| 11:54.20 | ThomasWaldmann | in general, if course the last weeks of the year are usually rather busy, and especially the days when 27c3 was :) |
| 11:54.42 | aviraldg | 27c3? |
| 11:54.53 | ThomasWaldmann | google it, nice stuff, videos online |
| 11:55.45 | ThomasWaldmann | brb |
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| 14:10.05 | jacktheripper | so when do we specify proofs of consent and age and all that ? |
| 14:10.25 | jacktheripper | and how are the cash prizes going to be delivered ? |
| 14:10.47 | aviraldg | jacktheripper: I guess that will only be required for the people in the top 10... |
| 14:10.59 | aviraldg | + ask Carol once she is online |
| 14:11.28 | jacktheripper | cash prizes need the proofs, and they're available for everyone |
| 14:11.57 | Migi32 | hi. Is there any timeline for GSoC 2011 yet? |
| 14:11.57 | aviraldg | well, ask Carol as soon as she is online |
| 14:12.03 | jacktheripper | okay then |
| 14:12.52 | thebolt | Migi32: gsoc 2011 has not yet been anounced, so no info about if it will be running and if so when/how |
| 14:13.06 | aviraldg | Anyone from Google here? |
| 14:13.30 | Migi32 | thebolt, oh so it's not even sure that there will be a GSoC 2011? |
| 14:17.06 | thebolt | Migi32: well, there is nothing pointing to that there won't.. but google has always made a thing of "we never preannounce things" so until they officially announce it, it is still possible |
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| 19:30.50 | ThomasWaldmann | magyar (hu) natives here? |
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| 20:12.34 | kblin | carols: hi there :) |
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| 20:12.46 | carols | hi kblin :-) |
| 20:13.00 | gevaerts | provides some tea and cookies to help with the inbox |
| 20:13.09 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 20:13.14 | carols | munches tea and cookies |
| 20:13.20 | ThomasWaldmann | hey carols! |
| 20:13.28 | carols | hi ThomasWaldmann |
| 20:13.52 | ThomasWaldmann | just sent you an email. I am sure you don't have enough. <eg> |
| 20:14.28 | carols | ThomasWaldmann: i saw, thanks. i think we should discuss over email what we want to do about that |
| 20:14.37 | ThomasWaldmann | ok |
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| 20:28.11 | efes | hi there :) |
| 20:28.26 | efes | Could anyone advice me any popular coding channel on Freenode? |
| 20:29.54 | ThomasWaldmann | #python :D |
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