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| 09:10.27 | kai | man, I want combat pay for working in this code |
| 09:11.16 | kai | XXX.append(X) |
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| 09:12.22 | kai | how hard can it be to give understandable names to variables dammit |
| 09:13.15 | MatthewWilkes | kai: a, b, c, clear |
| 09:14.48 | thebolt | b.a(c) |
| 09:14.58 | thebolt | cause of course using full name for a functio n is inefficient |
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| 09:16.42 | kai | but what to expect from a person that calls changing about the whole API of a module "some minor changes" |
| 09:17.06 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: My favourite was if you had a list of things that were all named 'a' in python and wanted to loop people would do: for a in as: |
| 09:17.25 | MatthewWilkes | Then as became a keyword and that started emitting syntax errors |
| 09:17.26 | MatthewWilkes | yay |
| 09:19.09 | kai | MatthewWilkes: it should be "for an in as:" anyway, you never write "a" before a vowel sound ;) |
| 09:19.37 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Shush, not in this case |
| 09:19.43 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 09:19.49 | MatthewWilkes | Bloody germans⦠|
| 09:21.35 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I'm sure the Queen would get it right |
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| 09:23.34 | MatthewWilkes | kai: Elizabeth von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, you mean? :P |
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| 09:27.07 | kai | MatthewWilkes: your fault for picking her, I guess ;) stiil, I seem to recall this "the only true english is the queen's english" saying from a couple of british people I know |
| 09:29.56 | MatthewWilkes | nah, all english is valid, she has no more claim to being correct than I do |
| 09:31.12 | kai | MatthewWilkes: I just hear that aimed at US-americans |
| 09:31.25 | kai | :) |
| 09:31.47 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, they're all correct too |
| 09:31.54 | MatthewWilkes | it's just a different, inferior language ;) |
| 09:32.10 | kai | oh well, I give up on that code. I don't see how the heck I need to integrate these changes |
| 09:34.10 | kai | and now that I don't need to get this crap to work before a deadline, I don't care :) |
| 09:34.17 | kai | gets back to his real work |
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| 12:16.10 | kai | wow... |
| 12:16.26 | kai | there's molds that can grow on gamma radiation |
| 12:17.11 | kai | that's the fun in studying biology, no matter how weird, there's an example somewhere |
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| 14:04.36 | dberkholz | unless it's living on arsenic instead of phosphate. |
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| 14:08.56 | dotnick | dberkholz: ?? |
| 14:09.16 | dberkholz | dotnick: were you here 2 hours ago? |
| 14:09.31 | dotnick | dberkholz: sleeping. |
| 14:09.36 | dberkholz | 12:16 < kai@> there's molds that can grow on gamma radiation |
| 14:09.36 | dberkholz | 12:17 < kai@> that's the fun in studying biology, no matter how weird, there's an example somewhere |
| 14:09.53 | kai | dberkholz: it wasn't a "nasa needs more funding" paper, though |
| 14:10.11 | kai | :) |
| 14:10.20 | dotnick | dberkholz: I though you were talking about Felisa's research at Mono lake |
| 14:10.22 | gevaerts | "This gamma radiation has gone off! It's moldy!" |
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| 14:10.27 | dotnick | s/though/thought |
| 14:11.38 | kai | dotnick: he was taking a shot at this, yes |
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| 14:12.01 | dberkholz | dotnick: yes, i was. and its subsequent near-refutation by pretty much everyone else |
| 14:12.07 | kai | it's one of the less-respected papers in the microbiology community |
| 14:12.44 | dberkholz | most recently a paper saying that arsenate bond stability is off by about 17 orders of magnitude (http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2011/01/28/arsenic_in_dna_the_kinetic_argument.php) |
| 14:12.57 | kai | dberkholz: I can't believe they got it published without actually doing a control growing on a medium with phosphate and arsenic |
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| 14:13.29 | kai | probably someone at NASA had an expensive lunch with the referees or something like that |
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| 14:20.46 | naeg | Hello. I'm not sure whether I'm eligible to participateto the GSOC. Is here probably someone here, who knows about all that and is from austria? :) |
| 14:22.09 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: It's not complicated - are you going to be over 18 and in education on the cutoff date? |
| 14:24.21 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: I'm 18 already and going to school, but it's not a university |
| 14:24.46 | naeg | I'm currently reading the FAQ, but I'm not sure whether my school is "accredited" |
| 14:25.00 | kai | naeg: what kind of school is it? |
| 14:25.32 | gevaerts | I understand "accredited" to mean that it delivers diplomas that are recognised by the state |
| 14:26.32 | naeg | kai: i'm getting my a-level next year, with which i can go to a university in two years |
| 14:27.05 | naeg | the school is about informatics, and we learn programming/project management etc |
| 14:27.40 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: I believe that being at any level of education AFTER compulsory ends is ok |
| 14:28.19 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: that's the case |
| 14:29.15 | MatthewWilkes | Now, that's not written directly into the rules, as it would be too complicated to list every country, but as long as you can show if asked that you're over 18, your school issues you with proof of being a student, and that you don't have to be there if you don't want to be, I think you'd be fine |
| 14:29.19 | MatthewWilkes | Not an official answer though |
| 14:30.52 | naeg | seems like my school is accredited...I'm going to ask a professor who prob. knows about it tomorrow |
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| 14:31.56 | MatthewWilkes | I know 6th form college in the UK counts, that's a school for people 16-18 who are doing the A-Levels |
| 14:32.33 | MatthewWilkes | Also, if you're doing your dienst and have proof you've been accepted to university that's also ok |
| 14:32.37 | naeg | after finishing my school, I can skip 1-2 semesters at the most austrian universities just by passing an exam |
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| 14:33.32 | naeg | but I'm doing my a-levels next year, which means i could be accepted by a university at the earlist in one year |
| 14:33.48 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: As a former org-admin, if one of my students told me that I would feel no need to tell Google that any rules were being broken |
| 14:34.08 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: Yes, but university is one example of accredited education |
| 14:34.43 | naeg | could i prob. somehow ask google directly whether my school is accredited? |
| 14:34.57 | MatthewWilkes | No, it's up to your country |
| 14:35.24 | MatthewWilkes | accredited means 'can issue recognised qualifications' |
| 14:35.55 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: and a-levels are recognised qualifications, right? but still i would get them at earliest in one year |
| 14:36.26 | gevaerts | You have to be enrolled in the school. You don't have to promise that you'll ever finish it :) |
| 14:37.04 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: But you are over 18 and at a place that can issue them |
| 14:37.38 | naeg | them? |
| 14:38.10 | gevaerts | bits of paper |
| 14:38.16 | MatthewWilkes | naeg: My understanding of austrian schooling is quite limited |
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| 14:38.30 | MatthewWilkes | I believe your exam is the Matura and it's administered by your school, is that right? |
| 14:38.35 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: well, that's the problem. every country is so different in education |
| 14:38.45 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: yes, that's right |
| 14:39.04 | MatthewWilkes | In that case, it would mean "Would the Matura issued by my school be counted as valid by other people in Austria?" |
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| 14:39.31 | MatthewWilkes | Whatever the certificate is called, obv |
| 14:39.40 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: yes ;) it also "allows" me to go to the university |
| 14:39.49 | naeg | matura is the right term |
| 14:40.09 | MatthewWilkes | Then it is my personal understanding that your school is accredited |
| 14:41.32 | MatthewWilkes | but, obviously, I don't speak for google |
| 14:41.46 | naeg | ok, thanks to all of you. anyway i'll ask my prof tomorrow, maybe someone else from my school has already participated on gsoc |
| 14:42.24 | naeg | maybe he can also tell by reading the FAQ better than I do |
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| 14:43.19 | kai | naeg: I know that students from Gymnasium in Germany are ok as well |
| 14:44.43 | kai | naeg: your school sounds a bit like that, just focused on a particular field of subjects |
| 14:44.53 | naeg | kai: my school is comparable to a Gymnasium, the only difference is that my school has a better specialization on a topic |
| 14:44.57 | naeg | yeah, exactly |
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| 14:45.33 | kai | naeg: I think that's fine, but as MatthewWilkes I don't speak for google :) |
| 14:45.49 | kai | naeg: but in general google's pretty relaxed about the school part |
| 14:46.10 | naeg | ok, great. thanks for your time :) |
| 14:46.11 | kai | the "you need to be 18 or older" part is the one that they're strict about, for legal reasons |
| 14:46.25 | naeg | yeah, that's quite obvious |
| 14:46.56 | kai | naeg: best of luck with the application process, you should get in contact with open source projects you're interested in now :) |
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| 14:47.24 | kai | GSoC is a great way to get into Open Source and programming in a real world project |
| 14:47.59 | kai | I'm biased because that's pretty much how I started, but there's a lot of other examples |
| 14:48.06 | naeg | kai: thanks. I'm happily looking forward to do so, but I'm not having a special project in my mind currently |
| 14:48.22 | naeg | I'm already involved in open source projects |
| 14:48.41 | kai | that sure doesn't hurt :) |
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| 15:12.03 | naeg | are there actually alot of students who participate on GSOC but don't find a project to work on? |
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| 15:21.24 | gevaerts | naeg: how do you mean? |
| 15:21.47 | gevaerts | If they don't find anything that captures their interest, they don't apply, and there are no numbers about them |
| 15:22.21 | gevaerts | I believe there usually are about five to seven times as many applications as available slots, if that's what you're asking |
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| 15:24.10 | naeg | gevaerts: so the request on students is higher than the participating students? |
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| 15:25.04 | gevaerts | is sure there are official numbers somewhere for last year |
| 15:25.22 | aghisla | last year for the organization i worked we had >50 applications and 10 got accepted |
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| 15:32.40 | gevaerts | 5539 proposals this year, for 1026 slots. I didn't find numbers on how many *students* applied (you're allowed to submit more than one proposal) |
| 15:34.38 | gevaerts | In general, getting in requires effort. Just spending half an hour on a quick proposal won't get you far |
| 15:35.33 | kai | gevaerts: last year |
| 15:35.41 | gevaerts | ah, yes |
| 15:35.58 | gevaerts | 's internal calendar is actually still stuck in the 20th century |
| 15:37.14 | kai | GSoC 2000.k, after GSoC 2000.j last year? |
| 15:37.30 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 17:04.42 | viranch | is the list of GSoC ideas out? |
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| 17:10.27 | dotnick | viranch: each organization keeps its own ideas list. You should contact the organization you re interested in for a list of ideas |
| 17:10.57 | viranch | dotnick: ok, thanks. |
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| 18:15.57 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 18:16.18 | shadeslayer | oooh free coffee |
| 18:16.50 | Ivanovic | tea! |
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| 18:41.27 | gevaerts | Yay, tea! |
| 18:42.49 | dotnick | coffee please. |
| 18:46.24 | dberkholz | gevaerts: i'd be interested in seeing a plot of # proposals from a student vs acceptance ratio |
| 18:46.34 | dberkholz | gevaerts: whether it actually helps at all to submit >1 |
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| 18:46.46 | gevaerts | Oh, indeed |
| 18:47.05 | gevaerts | wouldn't mind seeing that either! |
| 18:47.08 | dberkholz | maybe i'll convince carols to give me a big data dump at some point so i can make all these graphs i can't stop thinking about |
| 18:47.29 | gevaerts | You could volunteer to help work on melange :) |
| 18:47.56 | carols | dberkholz: i could give you some stats. daniel on the melange team also has a bunch of stat visualizations now too |
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| 18:55.49 | dberkholz | carols: i'm curious about lots of things but i feel bad asking people besides me to do the work |
| 18:56.47 | carols | dberkholz: well, send me an email with your requests and we'll see what we can do. btw, i never got a response to the email i sent you in august with different requests for stats :-) |
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| 18:58.41 | dberkholz | ha, i'd forgotten how much i liked that histogram. |
| 18:59.37 | Sporadique | could it be possible to put those stats online, so we can see it without bothering you with mails ? |
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| 19:01.22 | carols | Sporadique: we've posted lots of stats on our blog. depends on what you're looking for. |
| 19:03.16 | gevaerts | It's not necessarily easy to release enough raw data to make us stats junkies happy while at the same time keeping the necessary things confidential |
| 19:04.04 | Sporadique | for example, the study level of those who are accepted |
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| 19:12.32 | carols | Sporadique: sure, i can send you some percentages on last year if you'd like |
| 19:12.35 | carols | please email me |
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| 20:58.09 | naeg | does someone know whether python.org would participate as a mentor organisation or not? |
| 20:58.24 | gevaerts | I'm reasonably sure they'll apply |
| 20:58.34 | gevaerts | That doesn't mean they'll get in though |
| 20:59.17 | naeg | I'd have an idea for a project already, just not sure where to ask |
| 20:59.57 | thiago_home | ask them |
| 21:00.04 | thiago_home | big orgs usually have a gsoc channel |
| 21:00.40 | naeg | well, they are not in the list of orgs 2010 |
| 21:01.11 | MatthewWilkes | Python took part in 2010 |
| 21:01.22 | MatthewWilkes | As PSF or Python Software Foundation |
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| 21:02.08 | naeg | MatthewWilkes: oh, i was only searching tags, not name :s |
| 21:02.13 | thiago_home | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/home/google/gsoc2010/python |
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| 21:04.45 | naeg | there is nothing about gsoc2011 in the python.org wiki yet. seems like i'm too early |
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| 21:18.12 | carols | naeg: organizations haven't been announced yet |
| 21:19.11 | naeg | carols: yeah, I read that, but I thought orgs might be searching for ideas already |
| 21:19.28 | carols | naeg: i certainly hope they are :-) |
| 21:19.52 | oy | yes we do the whole year |
| 21:19.55 | MatthewWilkes | carols! |
| 21:20.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes! |
| 21:20.17 | naeg | oy: we? |
| 21:20.55 | oy | I know from several organisations |
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| 21:24.35 | thiago_home | KDE has started its idea page already |
| 21:26.08 | oy | for compiz we discussed some ideas today |
| 21:26.43 | oy | thiago_home: yes, I have seen in the Krita channel |
| 21:27.28 | thiago_home | we're telling students that the best way to get selected is to start the work now |
| 21:27.42 | thiago_home | that gets them experience to make a good proposal, and know the community and the community know them |
| 21:27.46 | thiago_home | hence an early ideas list |
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| 21:31.57 | oy | agreed a good proposal is important |
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| 21:32.45 | oy | especially with previously applied students around, those tend to be more insight and sound |
| 21:33.02 | Nightrose | (for those wondering here is the link: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas) |
| 21:33.24 | Nightrose | still being worked on of course |
| 21:33.44 | dberkholz | yep, we're working on ours too |
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| 21:33.52 | dberkholz | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/w/index.php?title=Google_Summer_of_Code_2011_ideas |
| 21:35.56 | oy | your are pretty early with writing ;-) |
| 21:36.47 | dberkholz | i want to give people a place to put ideas as soon as they think of them, so they aren't forgotten |
| 21:36.55 | Nightrose | same here |
| 21:37.03 | oy | good point |
| 21:37.31 | oy | think its time to start the OpenICC GSoC page too |
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| 21:47.06 | dberkholz | carols: you finally got your reply. =P |
| 21:47.21 | carols | dberkholz: awesome. then we are both equally slacking on this email :-) |
| 21:49.20 | dberkholz | carols: i hope i asked for enough stuff that you just toss spreadsheets my way instead of trying to calculate it all yourself =) |
| 21:50.56 | Nightrose | notes this down for future use - seems like a good method :D |
| 21:51.26 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 21:51.35 | MatthewWilkes | relaxes with a beer after the stress of a CVE |
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| 21:56.09 | carols | dberkholz: unfortunately a lot of the stats are in different places, but ill see what i can dig up :-) |
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| 22:01.56 | carols | MatthewWilkes: hope it went well? |
| 22:04.48 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Our most serious issue in all the 9 years Plone's existed - been a bad few days :P |
| 22:04.58 | MatthewWilkes | I have crappy norwegian beer now though, it helps |
| 22:05.01 | carols | MatthewWilkes: wow, i'm sorry to hear that |
| 22:05.10 | carols | MatthewWilkes: guess thats a start :-) |
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