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| 08:57.35 | alexMocanu | Hello, everybody. |
| 08:57.49 | alexMocanu | Has any organization announced its desire to participate in GSoC2011? |
| 08:59.51 | kasun_ | hi alexMocanu, I assume lot of organisations are willing to participate in this year too. Some have now started discussing potential GSoC ideas. |
| 09:00.45 | kasun_ | you may find some of them by googling something like - gsoc 2011 ideas |
| 09:03.35 | alexMocanu | Thank you very much, kasun_! |
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| 09:04.39 | kasun_ | welcome :) |
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| 09:17.27 | zkirill | yo |
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| 09:22.24 | aghisla | o/ |
| 09:22.49 | zkirill | how goes it? |
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| 10:00.44 | nepalikochoro | Hi there veryone |
| 10:01.16 | nepalikochoro | anyone who is working/has worked on l10n based projects |
| 10:04.51 | kai | I'm a bit fuzzy about the border between i18n and l10n |
| 10:06.05 | gevaerts | One is "Ja" instead of "Yes", the other is "YY/DD/MM" instdead of "YYYY-MM-DD" :) |
| 10:13.55 | nepalikochoro | is pootle participating? |
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| 12:00.26 | vmax | hello all |
| 12:00.37 | vmax | can I ask questions about GCI here? |
| 12:01.58 | Nightrose | hi vmax |
| 12:01.58 | Nightrose | yes |
| 12:02.48 | vmax | I uploaded the second page of the consent form on Melange |
| 12:03.02 | vmax | wgen I try to access it it says 'You do not have the necessary privileges to access this file. ' |
| 12:03.13 | vmax | *when |
| 12:05.03 | Nightrose | yes that happened a few times already to students it seems |
| 12:05.07 | Nightrose | please ask in #melange |
| 12:05.19 | Nightrose | hopefully they can help oyu |
| 12:05.22 | Nightrose | *you |
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| 14:30.43 | Tribaal | Hi folks. I would like to register a new organisation/mentor for gsoc 2011, but can't find a link for that on the main gsoc page. Is it because it's not time yet or because of a user problem (as in: me being dumb)? :P |
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| 14:32.30 | Tribaal | nevermind, I fond the answer to my own question. User problem. |
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| 18:09.40 | spectei | hey all |
| 18:10.17 | matusT | hi, can i ask on student ID form? |
| 18:11.25 | matusT | i participiated in google code-in and it want student id form from me, but i dont have any student id |
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| 18:14.11 | andre__ | matusT: any official document from your school showing that you are currently a student there should work |
| 18:14.36 | matusT | andre__: what kind of document can it be/ |
| 18:14.39 | matusT | ? |
| 18:14.55 | andre__ | what I just wrote? what's unclear? |
| 18:15.10 | andre__ | a proof. ask your school for it. :) |
| 18:15.19 | matusT | ok |
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| 18:20.07 | milki | what kind of school doesnt have student ids? |
| 18:25.25 | andre__ | milki: err.... every school here? |
| 18:25.32 | andre__ | counter question: what do you need student IDs for? |
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| 18:26.19 | milki | really? how does the school track students then? |
| 18:26.51 | andre__ | milki: okay, maybe I get this wrong, but what is a "student ID" exactly? |
| 18:27.19 | dotnick | andre__: how do you identify yourself? how do you log on to systems? |
| 18:27.21 | milki | some unique number assigned to a student that may be used for purposes of grading, anonymous statistics, etc? |
| 18:27.24 | andre__ | I thought we talk about a proof here |
| 18:27.33 | andre__ | dotnick: for what do I have to identify? |
| 18:27.55 | andre__ | well, for tracking students an Excel table probably still works fine for many schools... :) |
| 18:28.08 | milki | excel gives numbers to each row still! |
| 18:28.21 | andre__ | yeah. and I asked "who needs a number?" |
| 18:28.38 | milki | if someone has the same first/last name? |
| 18:28.58 | dotnick | andre__: does your school has public computers that anyone can use? |
| 18:29.16 | andre__ | dotnick, I'm not a student anymore, but yes. (My university does not have, though) |
| 18:29.51 | andre__ | milki: yeah, probably internally a school gives a student a number. but the student never gets to know that number, because the student never needs it |
| 18:29.54 | dotnick | andre__: wrong person, sorry about that |
| 18:30.07 | milki | andre__: ya, i would agree with that |
| 18:30.28 | andre__ | dotnick: hmm? sorry, didn't get your last sentence |
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| 18:31.02 | dotnick | there are cases the student has to know the student number, at least in my University you can't hand it coursework for example with just your name |
| 18:31.40 | dotnick | another other example being logging in to the university network ? |
| 18:31.41 | naeg | I don't have a student number too, prob. because I'm not going to a university(or something equal) yet |
| 18:31.44 | andre__ | dotnick: ah, for universities I totally agree, same here. I was thinking of highschools only, as the initial question was about GCI |
| 18:31.56 | naeg | I'm doing my a-levels currently |
| 18:32.05 | dotnick | andre__: forget I ever mentioned anything then :) |
| 18:32.12 | andre__ | dotnick, haha :) |
| 18:33.06 | dotnick | but even if the school doesn't give any student numbers, surely they can give you something that proves you are attending the school ? |
| 18:33.07 | andre__ | thinks that English language should really get rid of calling everybody a "student" and not use "pupil", no matter if university, highschool, or college, for the sake of less confusion :-P |
| 18:33.22 | milki | ya |
| 18:33.28 | milki | proof of attendance should be standard |
| 18:33.42 | andre__ | dotnick: yeah, any piece of paper should work. and that's what I told matusT :) |
| 18:33.45 | milki | just a letter saying the student is attending school with a school letterhead would probably suffice |
| 18:34.53 | dotnick | we all agree then :) |
| 18:34.58 | milki | yes |
| 18:35.29 | naeg | actually you need that paper proofing that you are at that school quite often(at least i did) |
| 18:36.11 | naeg | for getting a job, suspenion of the military duty, etc |
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| 18:49.01 | sam_m | hey, some time ago I asked about a mentor project I would like to suggest for GSoC. I was told to create a Ideas Page. Now, here is it. Would like to get some feedback :) http://exposong.org/contribute/summer-of-code-2011-ideas/ |
| 18:49.53 | milki | ooo |
| 18:50.49 | milki | oo, so this software would be useful for during mass for the congregation |
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| 18:54.15 | sam_m | milki, right |
| 18:55.32 | sfb | sam_m: The more detail the better, on ideas. The fact you linked them to issue #'s is good too. |
| 18:57.04 | spectei | carols, there ? |
| 18:57.09 | carols | spectei: yes |
| 18:57.17 | sfb | sam_m: I've tried three times to get in GSoC and each year I refine based upon what lh and carols provide to me for input. |
| 18:57.19 | sam_m | sfb, should we write something about required skills? |
| 18:57.24 | spectei | carols, hello |
| 18:57.26 | sfb | sam_m: Here's what I did for last year: |
| 18:57.28 | sfb | sam_m: http://dev.ryzom.com/wiki/ryzom/GSoc2010 |
| 18:57.30 | milki | sam_m: would be useful |
| 18:57.40 | spectei | carols, with the flyers, i fear i am inundating you, should i send them in batches ? |
| 18:57.45 | sfb | sam_m: http://dev.ryzom.com/wiki/ryzom/GSoc2010Ideas |
| 18:57.50 | milki | also offer any direct contacts for student inquiries |
| 18:57.56 | sam_m | i'm afk for a few minutes |
| 18:57.59 | sfb | sam_m: I rated my issues by required skills and difficulty as well. |
| 18:57.59 | carols | spectei: no problem, i can handle it. i get about 700 emails per day anyway :-) |
| 18:58.03 | spectei | ok |
| 18:58.05 | spectei | :) |
| 18:58.07 | spectei | i know the feeling |
| 18:58.10 | spectei | although not quite 700 :) |
| 18:58.22 | carols | spectei: :-) |
| 18:58.35 | sfb | sam_m: The other thing I'd mention is that there are a lot of orgs that want to participate and they filter through an awful lot of applications... |
| 18:58.46 | spectei | i got kind of excited today |
| 18:59.00 | sfb | sam_m: Ultimately what worked for me was to find a good, stable organization that was accepted the previous year and I worked under their umbrella. |
| 19:00.15 | sfb | sam_m: So you might contact Python and see if you can be under their umbrella. That's a pretty common practice too. |
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| 19:08.30 | gbastien | Hello, I'd like to know how small/big or active an organization needs to be to consider applying? |
| 19:09.32 | sam_m | sfb, thanks so far. I'll have a look at the pages |
| 19:09.35 | thiago_home | I think any size can apply |
| 19:09.53 | gevaerts | gbastien: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs#kind_of may be helpful |
| 19:10.23 | gevaerts | hm, I thought there was a more detailed bit somewhere |
| 19:10.54 | spectei | carols, typo 'Portugese' -> 'Portuguese' :) |
| 19:11.03 | gbastien | gevaerts: yeah I read that, I saw too that a definitive advantage is if Google knows or uses the product |
| 19:11.12 | gbastien | How do I know whether they do or not? |
| 19:11.18 | gevaerts | gbastien: you don't :) |
| 19:11.55 | gbastien | gevaerts: hehe, at least it's googleable! |
| 19:12.02 | gevaerts | Seriously though, I'd bet that google doesn't use half of the software from organisations that apply |
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| 19:12.33 | carols | gevaerts: i wouldn't be so sure about that ;-) |
| 19:12.37 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 19:12.38 | dotnick | gbastien: go with python :) |
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| 19:12.51 | gbastien | dotnick: can't it's php! |
| 19:12.51 | gevaerts | carols: as long as there's tea and coffee, I don't actually care :) |
| 19:13.05 | carols | spectei: thanks, fixed |
| 19:13.14 | spectei | np |
| 19:13.51 | gbastien | Well, here's the idea page we started to write. How does that look? http://www.authpuppy.org/doc/GSoC2011_Google_Summer_of_Code_2011 |
| 19:14.04 | gevaerts | gbastien: without knowing how the applications are actually evaluated, I'd say it's always worth applying (*if* you take it seriously), if only to be able to ask later on why you didn't get in, and do better next year |
| 19:15.19 | gbastien | gevaerts: yes we're pretty serious about it and will apply. We actually have a few potential stagiaire for the project, just no funding to pay them :D |
| 19:15.24 | gbastien | yet |
| 19:15.33 | gevaerts | Of course if you don't intend to spend time on your application, don't apply. Not making an impression is a lot better than making a bad impression |
| 19:16.04 | gbastien | lol good advice! |
| 19:16.05 | gevaerts | feels nervous about giving all this advice now he knows that carols is paying attention :) |
| 19:16.36 | carols | gevaerts: but you're quite knowledgeable about gsoc now. :-) |
| 19:16.49 | gevaerts | carols: a bit, maybe :) |
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| 19:16.53 | gevaerts | Not as much as you are |
| 19:17.13 | carols | gevaerts: besides, you bring chocolate. that's really all I need to know about gsoc :-) |
| 19:17.42 | gevaerts | carols: but shall I bring it to Mountain View or to Zurich next year? ;) |
| 19:17.59 | carols | gevaerts: still deciding :-) |
| 19:18.38 | gbastien | omg! There is chocolate!! That's an incentive to work for application ;-) |
| 19:19.14 | gbastien | gevaerts: what project are you working for? |
| 19:19.29 | gevaerts | gbastien: yes and no. You promise carols chocolate, and she promises you'll get in (or at least that she'll read your application) |
| 19:19.37 | gevaerts | gbastien: rockbox |
| 19:19.49 | carols | i read every application that has chocolate. guaranteed :-) |
| 19:20.37 | gbastien | lol all right! So that's how it works! ;-) |
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| 19:20.48 | dhaun | we need a chocolate upload module for Melange :) |
| 19:21.15 | carols | spectei: the flyers page is looking great :-) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 19:21.24 | spectei | :D |
| 19:21.56 | sfb | I'm going to rename my project Chocolate Generator. |
| 19:22.04 | sfb | applies. |
| 19:22.18 | spectei | carols, the benefit of working with a translation project |
| 19:22.24 | spectei | is that you know a lot of translators :) |
| 19:22.34 | carols | spectei: well fancy that :-) |
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| 19:22.59 | spectei | aiming for >53 this year |
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| 19:26.42 | gbastien | gevaerts carols: thanks for the advices. The Wifidog/AuthPuppy team will working on a 1st(2nd?) application! |
| 19:26.55 | gevaerts | gbastien: excellent! Welcome :) |
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| 21:12.51 | mvooght | Er sorry, source: http://ideone.com/hqAtT |
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| 21:21.26 | blahsphemer | Does anybody know if android planning to participate in gsoc 2011 |
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| 21:24.54 | i0_work | (not representing google, just giving a quick response) if they did last year, they'll probably do this year, i can't see android dropping out of something like this |
| 21:28.38 | blahsphemer | i0_work, but no one on their irc/mailing list seems to be talking about ideas/projects etc |
| 21:31.06 | Dark_Shikari | it's february |
| 21:31.34 | blahsphemer | nods |
| 21:32.25 | i0_work | no, projects do start talking about gsoc this early |
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| 21:32.37 | i0_work | but yeah http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 and http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 don't list "android" as an org |
| 21:32.51 | i0_work | i suppose because it's a google project, and gsoc is for external projects |
| 21:33.01 | gevaerts | Not entirely |
| 21:33.05 | i0_work | there are external projects that have android elements, e.g ctrl-f for "android" on those pages |
| 21:33.06 | gevaerts | google does participate |
| 21:33.24 | blahsphemer | well what gevaerts says is true |
| 21:33.31 | blahsphemer | google also participates in gsoc |
| 21:33.46 | gevaerts | Well, the google open source programs office anyway |
| 21:34.06 | gevaerts | (which is part of google) |
| 21:34.38 | blahsphemer | yea |
| 21:35.03 | carols | google caja participated last year too |
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| 21:38.32 | madrazr | carols: Hi |
| 21:38.41 | carols | madrazr: hi |
| 21:39.01 | madrazr | carols: do you know of any article/blog post about Dos and Don'ts for GSoC applications? |
| 21:39.12 | carols | madrazr: sure, just a sec |
| 21:39.19 | madrazr | carols: thank you |
| 21:39.43 | blahsphemer | why is it that android didnot participate as an organization? I mean its' got such an active developer base |
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| 21:40.10 | carols | madrazr: http://www.booki.cc/gsoc-mentoring/_v/1.0/org-application/ and the whole "org admin" section is good |
| 21:40.43 | madrazr | carols: for students? |
| 21:40.50 | madrazr | carols: thank you for that link |
| 21:41.07 | click170 | Hi. I'm not a student, I develop Free Software in my spare time, but I'm interested in this Google Summer of Code thing. Is it strictly only for students? Why not let non-students apply? |
| 21:41.09 | carols | madrazr: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 21:41.23 | madrazr | carols: thanks a lot |
| 21:41.37 | carols | click170: its strictly for students. you must be enrolled in or accepted to university to participate |
| 21:41.41 | carols | madrazr: yw |
| 21:42.04 | carols | !faq |
| 21:42.05 | socinfo` | carols: "faq" is http://goo.gl/Up2Qf |
| 21:42.23 | carols | click170: you'll want to read that ----^ |
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| 21:42.33 | click170 | carols: I don't understand the reasoning behind that though. Can you elaborate as to why that is? I've just spent the past 15 min reading the FAQ and nothing seems to answer my question. |
| 21:42.54 | i0_work | blahsphemer: ask the android mailing lists, they will be able to give you more detail |
| 21:43.17 | blahsphemer | no one replies |
| 21:43.21 | blahsphemer | I already tried |
| 21:43.23 | blahsphemer | *twice |
| 21:43.30 | carols | click170: because its a student outreach program. we want students :-) there's lots of programs intended to get developers working on opensource for *jobs.* this is for internships for students. |
| 21:44.22 | brik | I was wondering, does gsoc have any posters or anything I could use to advertise it at my uni? |
| 21:44.26 | click170 | Hm. Ok fair enough. |
| 21:44.44 | carols | brik: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers |
| 21:45.39 | click170 | Guess I'm just sour that I'm excluded because I'm an aspiring student, instead of an actively enrolled student :) |
| 21:45.57 | i0_work | blahsphemer: hmm.. that's a shame :/ if they don't eventually reply to you, they might just not be interested in gsoc. but is there a particular reason you want to work for them? there's plenty of other android stuff around in gsoc |
| 21:45.58 | brik | carols: ta :) |
| 21:47.05 | carols | blahsphemer: part of the reason they might not be responding is because they're really busy, which might be the same reason they don't participate in gsoc. mentoring students for the summer is a huge time commitment. |
| 21:47.14 | blahsphemer | i0_work, the reason I wanted to work for android was, so that i could work on the OS itself |
| 21:47.22 | blahsphemer | carols, oh, |
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| 21:47.59 | blahsphemer | i0_work, I assumed that there aren't organizations external to android who would work on the OS itself |
| 21:48.18 | blahsphemer | i0_work, I wasn't planning to work on creating apps and simiar stuff |
| 21:48.40 | i0_work | ah ok. which mailing lists were you posting on? something from http://source.android.com/community/index.html ? |
| 21:48.56 | carols | blahsphemer: if you're super interested in android, why not apply for an internship/job with them? |
| 21:49.21 | blahsphemer | carols, I didn't even think about that. That |
| 21:49.28 | blahsphemer | carols, is a good idea |
| 21:49.29 | blahsphemer | thanks |
| 21:49.35 | carols | yw |
| 21:49.50 | blahsphemer | i0_work, I mailed 4-5 mailing lists |
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| 22:41.27 | carols | dberkholz: you around? |
| 22:44.40 | dberkholz | carols: yes but just on my way out to spend some time with the family |
| 22:44.49 | dberkholz | carols: do you have anything i can answer in the next 2 minutes? |
| 22:44.50 | carols | dberkholz: no worries, i'll email |
| 22:44.54 | carols | dberkholz: nope :-) |
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