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| 00:45.43 | milki | ... o.O |
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| 01:14.46 | thebolt | hi |
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| 04:16.54 | vikas | hi |
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| 05:38.18 | pygi | folks |
| 05:38.28 | pygi | anybody remembers where I can find statistics and fancy graphs for each year? :) |
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| 05:45.10 | kasun | pygi, the gsoc 2011 presentation have some statistics |
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| 05:46.30 | kasun | And this: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/tasty-new-google-summer-of-code-stats.html |
| 05:55.47 | pygi | kÄ= |
| 05:55.54 | pygi | kasun: yea, I googled |
| 05:55.54 | pygi | thx |
| 05:55.56 | pygi | writing a paper |
| 05:55.58 | pygi | *shrug* |
| 06:15.09 | blacktooth | hello anybody applying for phpmyadmin? |
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| 06:38.52 | pygi | blacktooth dude |
| 06:38.57 | pygi | nobody is applying for anything yet Äp |
| 06:38.59 | pygi | :p |
| 06:39.15 | pygi | how do you know they are going to be accepted anyway Äp |
| 06:39.16 | pygi | :p |
| 06:39.43 | blacktooth | :) |
| 06:39.56 | blacktooth | I am just looking for people interested in phpmyadmin |
| 06:41.25 | pygi | ÄP |
| 06:41.26 | pygi | :P |
| 06:41.28 | pygi | ergh |
| 06:41.32 | pygi | I hate this keyboard |
| 06:42.33 | blacktooth | pygi: so wassup? what do you do? |
| 06:42.47 | pygi | right now? Or usually? |
| 06:43.05 | blacktooth | ususally |
| 06:43.09 | blacktooth | in life |
| 06:43.20 | pygi | I develop libburnia, gnomebaker, xfburn :) |
| 06:43.31 | blacktooth | oh thats cool |
| 06:43.32 | pygi | and work on some virtualization magic as my job |
| 06:43.41 | blacktooth | ohh |
| 06:43.55 | blacktooth | where are you from? |
| 06:43.59 | pygi | europe ÄD |
| 06:44.00 | pygi | :D |
| 06:44.01 | pygi | croatia |
| 06:44.36 | blacktooth | ohh I am from India |
| 06:44.57 | blacktooth | I am doing my undergraduate course |
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| 07:13.26 | ojwb | blacktooth: you'll find people interested in phpmyadmin in their irc channels and/or mailing lists and/or forums |
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| 08:02.21 | blacktooth | ojwb: okay |
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| 09:01.47 | Pharaoh2 | blacktooth: where in indai are you from? |
| 09:02.17 | blacktooth | Pharaoh2: I am from Andhra Pradesh |
| 09:02.20 | blacktooth | you? |
| 09:02.31 | Pharaoh2 | which college? |
| 09:02.50 | blacktooth | Gitam University |
| 09:03.32 | Pharaoh2 | oh |
| 09:03.44 | blacktooth | Pharaoh2: what about you? |
| 09:03.46 | Pharaoh2 | cool, i am from iiit h |
| 09:05.00 | blacktooth | great. |
| 09:05.44 | blacktooth | Pharaoh2: so what are you planning to apply for? |
| 09:06.07 | Pharaoh2 | not sure, i am in 2nd year, so first time |
| 09:06.32 | blacktooth | ok |
| 09:10.14 | Pharaoh2 | blacktooth: which year r u in? |
| 09:10.36 | blacktooth | Pharaoh2: I am in my third year cse |
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| 09:11.51 | Pharaoh2 | do 2nd year students stand a chance? |
| 09:13.01 | Dark_Shikari | I had a 3rd year high-school student this past Google Code-In who was better than at least half of the Summer of Code students I've worked with. |
| 09:13.04 | Dark_Shikari | I don't think age matters. |
| 09:13.11 | blacktooth | It doesn't really matter |
| 09:14.38 | blacktooth | Dark_Shikari: hello |
| 09:14.44 | blacktooth | where are you from? |
| 09:16.18 | Dark_Shikari | US. |
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| 09:43.11 | pygi | Dark_Shikari: remind me, what org are you? |
| 09:44.10 | Dark_Shikari | videolan |
| 09:44.39 | pygi | ah |
| 09:44.39 | pygi | k |
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| 09:51.34 | Pharaoh2 | btw, do we have to start new project or we can bugfix an older gsoc code? |
| 09:51.56 | pygi | it depends |
| 09:52.10 | andre__ | both possible. depends on mentors and complexity I'd say |
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| 10:06.02 | Pharaoh2 | anyone familiar with pysdm |
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| 12:02.09 | Ces | Hello! |
| 12:04.31 | Ces | Is there anyone here who has time to chat for a bit? with someone who wants to apply for gsoc this year |
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| 12:10.22 | gevaerts | Ces: you're probably better off asking more specific questions |
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| 12:13.21 | Ces | Well, look at applications for certain projects, the stuff are pretty complicated |
| 12:13.27 | Ces | People who applied for these stuff did they have knowledge about it before they apply or did they read on it? |
| 12:14.21 | gevaerts | It varies |
| 12:14.40 | gevaerts | Some people have previous experience with the project they're working on, some are totally new |
| 12:15.38 | dotnick | Ces: I know the feeling. Best thing to do is pick the organization (or idea) that you like best and read the documentation |
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| 12:22.37 | Ces | Power went down, being from Egypt I will finish my exams mid june, and as you gsoc starts end of may, I know I could plan my schedule to start earlier but |
| 12:22.44 | Ces | is that a huge downer in an application or? |
| 12:22.54 | Ces | and as you know* |
| 12:23.18 | ojwb | it's not unusual to have to work around exams |
| 12:23.31 | gevaerts | Most projects try to arrange for this. It's annoying of course, but I know we (rockbox) have never rejected an application for that |
| 12:23.43 | ojwb | just make it clear in your application when you aren't available, and try to get a head start during the community bonding period |
| 12:23.46 | andre__ | in Gnome neither |
| 12:24.18 | Ces | Alright, this sounds great so far. Thanks everyone! |
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| 12:35.54 | Dark_Shikari | Ces: Working around exams is basically _standard_. |
| 12:36.06 | Dark_Shikari | I can't remember any student of mine (out of ~10) who hasn't had to deal with that. |
| 12:36.22 | Dark_Shikari | There are two general approaches: |
| 12:36.28 | Dark_Shikari | 1) Start earlier, stop for exams, continue after |
| 12:36.39 | Dark_Shikari | 2) Start later, finish after the end. |
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| 12:45.40 | brik | finish after end won't be as good due to final evaluation etc, don't think it can be pushed back |
| 12:46.10 | brik | but more or less everyone have exams around the start of gsoc yeah :) |
| 12:46.13 | ojwb | and you also want to have started a decent time before the midterm, or else there's nothing to evaluate you on |
| 12:46.24 | brik | that too |
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| 12:51.52 | Dark_Shikari | brik: Finishing after the end happens to almost everyone anyways. |
| 12:52.18 | Dark_Shikari | GSOC projects that get merged by the deadline are about as common as flying pigs making friendships with unicorns. |
| 12:52.41 | ojwb | my student in 2009 was merged well before the end |
| 12:52.45 | ojwb | not long after the midterm |
| 12:52.54 | ojwb | it's certainly unusual though |
| 12:54.46 | Ivanovic | Dark_Shikari: hmm, strange |
| 12:54.58 | Ivanovic | then there must be several flying pigs with unicorns out there |
| 12:55.16 | Ivanovic | because eg the students that wesnoth does mentor do directly commit their work to trunk |
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| 12:57.11 | dotnick | does it matter? the goal is to get students to work with the open source community :) |
| 12:57.29 | dotnick | but I guess deadlines are important as well |
| 12:58.06 | ojwb | there's not a single goal, and different people and orgs have varying motivations |
| 12:58.52 | Ces | Dark_Shikari Cheers, I think I can manage to start earlier and finish on time. |
| 13:01.59 | Ivanovic | dotnick: getting students involved in open source projects is just one part |
| 13:02.55 | Ivanovic | it is also about stuff like getting some larger projects done (okay, often a mentor could implement it themselves in the time spent for mentoring) |
| 13:03.14 | Ivanovic | but even more about actually recruiting the new people to become "full" developers for the very project |
| 13:06.25 | dotnick | Ivanovic: aren't there equal possibilities of someone becoming a full developer regardless of when his/her project gets merged? |
| 13:06.45 | Ivanovic | sure |
| 13:06.53 | Ivanovic | the merging has nothing to do with being a full dev |
| 13:07.27 | Ivanovic | (though personally i think that it is encouraging for a student to directly see their work in trunk and included in the development releases) |
| 13:07.30 | gevaerts | When you merge something has more to do with how invasive it is than with who does it I'd say |
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| 13:20.08 | Dark_Shikari | Ivanovic: Ours get committed to trunk too. |
| 13:20.18 | Dark_Shikari | Just it almost never gets finished AND reviewed by the exact deadline. |
| 13:20.36 | Ivanovic | ah, what in open source is *ever* really finished? |
| 13:20.51 | Dark_Shikari | Well, finished == committed. |
| 13:22.26 | gevaerts | Oh, good to know :) |
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| 13:24.44 | Dark_Shikari | (The main thing being that "not finishing on time, particularly due to starting late", is not a huge deal.) |
| 13:25.32 | kai | we use git, and the student gets his own repo. so I expect them to commit their patches from day 1 |
| 13:26.13 | Dark_Shikari | That's different from being merged. |
| 13:26.20 | Dark_Shikari | Sure, the student gets their own repo and commits to it |
| 13:26.31 | Dark_Shikari | but passing code review, dealing with 7 rounds of criticism and comments, and getting committed is another. |
| 13:26.53 | kai | ok, fair enough |
| 13:27.13 | kai | but I still try to get continuous integration if possible |
| 13:27.33 | kai | didn't work out last year, but last year's student ended up failing after all |
| 13:27.49 | kai | turns out he got another job and couldn't pull off that _and_ gsoc |
| 13:27.50 | Dark_Shikari | The problem is that continuous integration only makes sense with a feature that makes sense half-done. |
| 13:27.57 | kai | sure |
| 13:28.04 | kai | as I said, if possible |
| 13:28.23 | kai | "we can decode the first half of the video frame" |
| 13:28.28 | kai | doesn't make much sense... |
| 13:28.42 | kai | eyes his return key suspiciously |
| 13:28.54 | Dark_Shikari | If you can decode the first half, you're 99% done! |
| 13:28.58 | Dark_Shikari | Because that means you can decode one block! |
| 13:29.10 | Dark_Shikari | And somehow something breaks halfway through the frame =p |
| 13:29.37 | Dark_Shikari | One way we get around that problem is encourage periodic review. |
| 13:29.47 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. review periodically, even if you can't actually merge often. |
| 13:29.54 | Dark_Shikari | That way problems get dealt with earlier. |
| 13:30.02 | Dark_Shikari | The problem of course is this requires more reviewer resources. |
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| 13:36.41 | Pharaoh2 | Hi, I am new to OSS, can someone explain to me how to start understanding the code base considering many are thousands of file large if not more? I had started trying to undestand the chrome code but college work load is giving me very less time for it |
| 13:37.19 | kai | pick a specific thing you're interested in and dig there |
| 13:37.24 | kai | wash, rinse, repeat |
| 13:37.31 | pygi | break :D |
| 13:38.43 | ojwb | finding your way around a large codebase is a skill which mostly just requires practice |
| 13:39.07 | kai | ojwb: applies for all complex systems, btw, not just code :) |
| 13:39.22 | Dark_Shikari | Find a part that interests you and read it while asking questions. |
| 13:39.33 | ojwb | kai: quite possibly |
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| 15:24.05 | H3MLOCK | I can't seem to login to the system. It gives me a "URI too large" warning everytime |
| 15:25.22 | gevaerts | You probably should ask about that in #melange |
| 15:26.26 | H3MLOCK | Gotcha. Thanks |
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| 16:09.25 | thebolt | yes |
| 16:09.30 | jrabbit | i.e. I think I have a project, but I don't know if any sponsors will be accepted |
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| 21:14.34 | rope | Anyone know how big an organization has to be to apply? |
| 21:16.09 | gevaerts | I don't think there's a minimum size as such |
| 21:16.37 | dhaun | rope: there's no size restriction, but it should be more than a one-man project |
| 21:16.42 | kblin | it certainly helps if your project is known in the community and active |
| 21:17.38 | rope | cool, thanks |
| 21:18.18 | rope | you guys now how many students usually apply? |
| 21:18.25 | rope | is getting a spot a super longshot? |
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| 21:20.38 | dhaun | I guess that depends heavily on how attractive your projects are |
| 21:23.47 | rope | er uh no, I meant as a student |
| 21:23.47 | rope | i'm a student |
| 21:24.03 | rope | i was just wondering what the competition was like |
| 21:24.08 | dhaun | well, we had about 50 students apply for our 4 slots ... |
| 21:24.17 | rope | 4000 applicants, 40,000 applicants |
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| 21:25.20 | dhaun | there should be some GSoC stats on google-opensource.blogspot.com |
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| 21:29.26 | rope | thanks! |
| 21:33.03 | kblin | dhaun: samba had like 10 applications :) |
| 21:33.27 | dhaun | yeah, I guess it varies widely |
| 21:33.54 | dhaun | IIRC, Nightrose mentioned that KDE had 200 applications for 50 slots or something in that ballpark |
| 21:35.03 | Nightrose | somewhere between 200 and 300 for gsoc 2010 yes |
| 21:35.26 | gevaerts | The number of applications doesn't always mean much |
| 21:36.02 | dhaun | gevaerts: right, but rope was asking about what the competition is like |
| 21:36.07 | gevaerts | It's the number of *good* applications that really matters. If your application is bad, you won't get in, and if it's good, you don't compete against the bad ones |
| 21:36.15 | gevaerts | It's not easy to put numbers on that though |
| 21:36.28 | dhaun | nods |
| 21:36.42 | dhaun | hey Nightrose, made it home safely? |
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| 21:37.34 | Nightrose | dhaun: jep :) |
| 21:37.36 | Nightrose | you? |
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| 21:38.06 | dhaun | no problem at all, surprisingly, even with a 4 minute changeover in Frankfurt |
| 21:38.11 | Nightrose | hah |
| 21:38.12 | Nightrose | nice |
| 21:38.17 | dhaun | for once, I can't complain about Deutsche Bahn :) |
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| 21:38.29 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 21:39.44 | schumaml | dhaun: frankfurt airport or main station? |
| 21:39.58 | dhaun | Airport |
| 21:43.58 | dhaun | Nightrose: btw, thanks for the tip about the Tux chocolate. So tasty. I have one of those here which I promised myself as a reward for finishing this blog post I'm working on :) |
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| 21:45.22 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 21:45.25 | Nightrose | you're welcome |
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| 21:59.39 | kblin | oh, yuck |
| 21:59.57 | kblin | just realized he needs to get up very early tomorrow |
| 22:04.55 | _wolf_ | feels for kblin |
| 22:05.22 | _wolf_ | hateses early mornings |
| 22:06.29 | dhaun | devours a tiny chocolate Tux |
| 22:06.43 | _wolf_ | You monster! XD |
| 22:07.00 | _wolf_ | where did you get a chocolate Tux? |
| 22:07.41 | dhaun | at the Ubuntu stand at FOSDEM |
| 22:08.23 | dhaun | it's actually a small piece of Belgian chocolate with an embossed Tux |
| 22:09.17 | schumaml | hm... |
| 22:09.23 | schumaml | little chocolate wilbers... |
| 22:10.18 | dhaun | http://www.tux-planet.fr/public/images/photos/linux-chocolate.jpg |
| 22:12.48 | _wolf_ | Not faaiir :( I also want to be at FOSDEM :) |
| 22:13.16 | _wolf_ | nice! :) |
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