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| 16:10.20 | xl0 | Any gsoc 2010 org admins around? How long did it take for google to proces your invoice? |
| 16:12.32 | spectie | not long |
| 16:12.37 | spectie | less than a month |
| 16:13.08 | xl0 | Hmm, ok, thanks. |
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| 19:03.36 | carols | serves tea and coffee and plops down on the open source couch |
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| 20:23.26 | pratikone | i am an undergrad student who has been following gsoc for last 1.5 yrs. I have some good projects on which I have worked (alone as well as in a team). They are all under GPL. Though I haven't contributed to any FOSS project yet. Does it play a major role for selecting a student in gsoc 2011 ? |
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| 20:25.00 | carols | pratikone: it helps a lot if you get in contact with the organization you're interested in working with before you apply and let them know what you like to do, what you're interested in, and introduce yourself. |
| 20:25.17 | gevaerts | pratikone: this will of course depend on the organisation, but since one of the major goals of gsoc is to attract new people to open source development, usually you don't need lots of prior experience |
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| 20:25.47 | Ivanovic | pratikone: your prior experience does not matter this much |
| 20:25.59 | Ivanovic | your project idea matters by far more |
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| 20:26.07 | Ivanovic | as well as what you "show the org" |
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| 20:26.38 | Ivanovic | many orgs will consider your interaction with them (chatting, stuff on ml, patches/code samples) by far more than just your CV |
| 20:26.47 | gevaerts | nods |
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| 20:28.14 | field | like my new github proj? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2199083 ;) |
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| 20:28.29 | pratikone | Ivanovic: so , say I want to work with org X. then I should get in touch with them on their irc channel, ml and show them my ideas on their product (if any )? |
| 20:28.42 | Ivanovic | pratikone: exactly |
| 20:28.47 | gevaerts | pratikone: mostly |
| 20:28.52 | Ivanovic | pratikone: most orgs do *really* value communication with their students |
| 20:29.05 | gevaerts | Make sure that the ideas you show them indicate some insight in what they're doing |
| 20:29.10 | Ivanovic | basically a student that they can't communicate with is a student they can't select |
| 20:29.15 | gevaerts | And try to do small things like fixing bugs |
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| 20:29.47 | pratikone | Ivanovic: what if, taking worst case scenario (on my side), i don't have any ideas for their product . In that case ? |
| 20:30.01 | Michitux | pratikone: all organization will offer a list of ideas |
| 20:30.05 | Ivanovic | pratikone: the projects all provide some basic ideas |
| 20:30.20 | Ivanovic | though they expect that you really have a look at it and finetune things with your ideas regarding stuff |
| 20:30.38 | gevaerts | pratikone: don't just pick the first idea on the list :) |
| 20:30.59 | gevaerts | Experience shows (at least in the rockbox case) that the first idea on the list gets more proposals |
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| 20:31.44 | pratikone | gevaerts: surely I would take care of that :) |
| 20:33.13 | pratikone | Ivanovic: Ok. Now I have some ideas for an org's software. What should I do ? Explain it on their mailing list? or talk to some guy of the org with a post (code maintainer, bug fixing) etc. |
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| 20:33.42 | gevaerts | pratikone: oh, and especially if you're not used to irc and mailing lists (or more precisely, the way FOSS projects use them), join and observe for a while so you get a feel for the style |
| 20:33.49 | Ivanovic | pratikone: every org has their prefered means of communication |
| 20:34.10 | gevaerts | nods |
| 20:34.12 | Ivanovic | some like irc, some jabber, some mailing list, some forums, ... |
| 20:34.22 | gevaerts | We use irc for discussion and the mailing list for flamewars |
| 20:34.32 | gevaerts | We don't *want* to do it that way, but... |
| 20:35.02 | Ivanovic | and things might even differ *inside* the orgs depending on stuff, eg at wesnoth the artists mainly rely on the forums, where the coders use irc and "important discussions" go on the ml |
| 20:35.21 | pratikone | gevaerts: mailing list I do (rules and etiquettes). irc , I don't. Observation would be great indeed to learn without getting flamed at first |
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| 20:39.13 | pratikone | thanks a lot everyone for your answers. Will start working in this direction right away. |
| 20:39.53 | Ivanovic | pratikone: in general it is unlikely that you will get flamed right away |
| 20:40.14 | Ivanovic | the dev chans are usually very forthcoming with those that really want to get started on things and be helpful |
| 20:41.40 | gevaerts | agrees |
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| 20:42.44 | gevaerts | I don't think you'll have this issue (judging from this conversation), but in general it's also not a good idea to be informal to the point where you drop all grammar and spelling |
| 20:44.40 | carols | you might want to read "making first contact" in the student manual as well: http://www.booki.cc/gsocstudentguide/_v/1.0/making-first-contact/ |
| 20:44.42 | Ivanovic | pratikone: as long as you talk normally, basically the say you did so far, you should be perfectly fine in the irc chans that are frequented by the devs |
| 20:46.35 | Ivanovic | carols: IMO the best first contact consists of two letters ("hi") followed by "i am interested in helping, how to best get started?" |
| 20:46.39 | pratikone | Yeah, i see. it's true. Using "sms lingo" drops down readability level to zero and non-native english speaking devs will have even more trouble reading it. |
| 20:46.59 | Ivanovic | pratikone: yeah, one special thing about open source is that it is *very* international |
| 20:47.34 | Ivanovic | eg at wesnoth we have significantly more non native english speakers than english speakers even when just talking about the coders, not considering artists, content producers or even translators |
| 20:48.15 | gevaerts | hates those things in his native language too :) |
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| 20:49.48 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Which is? Dutch? *tries to start his memory* |
| 20:49.56 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: yes |
| 20:50.32 | MatthewWilkes | it's just german with some weird typos ;) |
| 20:50.56 | gevaerts | Bah, no! |
| 20:51.00 | gevaerts | That's English! |
| 20:51.13 | ahel | MatthewWilkes:=) |
| 20:51.21 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: nah, so wrong |
| 20:51.24 | Dark_Shikari | To type German, just randomly capitalize every Word in your Sentence like This. |
| 20:51.25 | gevaerts | We e.g. have our own word for sauerkraut :) |
| 20:51.25 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 20:51.35 | Dark_Shikari | And then move the verb to the end. |
| 20:51.40 | Ivanovic | dutch is more like some english dude trying to speak german though he does not really know it |
| 20:51.59 | Ivanovic | and adds a lot of typos due to a broken spellchecker |
| 20:52.07 | MatthewWilkes | dutch is easy, just do s/um zu/om to/g and randomise some vowels |
| 20:52.07 | gevaerts | also wants to point out that there's Dutch Dutch and Flemish Dutch |
| 20:52.39 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: "om te" I think you mean |
| 20:52.43 | MatthewWilkes | I do |
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| 20:54.02 | qxi | herp |
| 20:54.43 | MatthewWilkes | the only dutch word I know is gemeen, which is telling |
| 20:54.45 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: also don't forget that Dutch "zee" translates to German "Meer", and Dutch "meer" translates to German "See" :) |
| 20:55.40 | qxi | River <-> Sea |
| 20:55.44 | qxi | Pfft |
| 20:55.51 | gevaerts | qxi: no river involved! |
| 20:55.52 | qxi | It's a hole in the ground and water sits there |
| 20:56.07 | qxi | Meer != river? |
| 20:56.13 | gevaerts | indeed not |
| 20:56.29 | qxi | Ach, entschuldigung |
| 20:56.48 | qxi | Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut |
| 20:57.33 | gevaerts | Deutsch ist eine schwierige orientalische Sprache |
| 20:59.09 | qxi | Was bedeutet "schwierige"? |
| 20:59.17 | Ivanovic | difficult |
| 20:59.22 | qxi | Ah, danke :) |
| 21:00.06 | gevaerts | probably made it clear that he lives to west of Germany :) |
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| 21:05.16 | field | jk, i dont care |
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| 22:40.16 | Jumpyshoes | hi, for gsoc, is the age limit absolute? i'm 17 right now and will turn 18 in august, so according to the FAQ, i'm ineligible... are there no exceptions? |
| 22:40.32 | ahel | no |
| 22:40.51 | Jumpyshoes | so i can't do gsoc? |
| 22:41.10 | ahel | next year |
| 22:41.26 | Jumpyshoes | ok |
| 22:41.48 | ahel | start following an open source community 'd be an hint for next year |
| 22:42.35 | Jumpyshoes | i have, and i'm actively developing a project that gsoc hosts |
| 22:42.37 | Jumpyshoes | which is why i asked |
| 22:43.47 | ahel | gci is for under18, but has already closed |
| 22:44.07 | carols | Jumpyshoes: no exceptions on age. also, you need to be enrolled in a university to participate as well. |
| 22:44.40 | Jumpyshoes | carols: i see, thanks |
| 22:44.43 | carols | yw |
| 22:45.07 | Dark_Shikari | jumpyshoes already `won` gci, so... |
| 22:45.09 | Dark_Shikari | >_> |
| 22:45.25 | ahel | carols: i don't think so... |
| 22:45.35 | carols | ahel: dont think what? |
| 22:46.12 | ahel | that you have to be enrolled but i'm going to re-read the faq, to be sure.. |
| 22:46.28 | _wolf_ | ahel, chaeck who carols is ;) |
| 22:46.40 | carols | ahel: seeing as i run the program, i'm pretty sure of the rules. :-) you need to be enrolled in or accepted into university to participate. |
| 22:46.45 | _wolf_ | If anyone knows carols does XD |
| 22:46.56 | carols | thanks _wolf_ :-) |
| 22:47.26 | ahel | ahahah! how could i know He was a Master ? XD |
| 22:47.32 | field | lol |
| 22:47.43 | _wolf_ | ahel, She, not he ;) |
| 22:47.54 | carols | thanks _wolf_ :-) |
| 22:48.04 | _wolf_ | ahel seems to stumble a lot today :) |
| 22:48.10 | carols | indeed |
| 22:48.12 | ahel | omg! |
| 22:48.14 | carols | serves tea and coffee |
| 22:48.25 | _wolf_ | thanks carols :) |
| 22:48.36 | ahel | i beg pardon .... |
| 22:48.53 | carols | ahel: no problem. |
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| 22:52.18 | ahel | carol:ye. now i know, ma'am |
| 22:53.05 | carols | ahel: it's fine. just carols is fine. everyone's anonymous on the internet anyway. |
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| 22:55.43 | field | On the stats page... http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 22:55.45 | field | what is "success rate" |
| 22:55.47 | field | ? |
| 22:56.17 | thiago_home | number of students who completed their projects over the number of students that started |
| 22:57.29 | field | oh, thanks. Is there any public statistic on how many students apply? |
| 22:57.34 | _wolf_ | hey we have improved over the years :) are we learning something? |
| 22:58.51 | thiago_home | field: thousands :-) |
| 22:59.18 | carols | field: over 5,000 in 2010 |
| 22:59.42 | carols | _wolf_: probably just luck :-) |
| 23:00.14 | _wolf_ | how many (non-spam) applications did we get in last year? did anyone count? |
| 23:00.40 | field | Ok, so a decline from 2008? The site indicates 7000 applicants in 2008. |
| 23:01.07 | carols | field: yes. |
| 23:01.21 | ojwb | we switch from the old webapp to melange between then though |
| 23:01.37 | ojwb | so that's not necessarily comparable |
| 23:01.55 | _wolf_ | carols, I don't believe you :P The mentor summit *must* do something other than allow us to have fun... |
| 23:02.15 | _wolf_ | at least that's what I'd like to believe... |
| 23:02.26 | carols | _wolf_: well, you all got black tshirts because of the feedback session from the previous year :-P |
| 23:02.47 | ojwb | aww, I like non black ones |
| 23:03.14 | carols | ojwb: there will be non-black ones this year since i've now decided to switch off and make 50% of the people unhappy all the time |
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| 23:03.34 | _wolf_ | ojwb, noo black is the eternal black XD |
| 23:03.58 | _wolf_ | carols, so true :) |
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| 23:04.09 | ojwb | zebra stripe tshirt! |
| 23:04.51 | _wolf_ | what black and orange? |
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| 23:05.19 | _wolf_ | carols, are you going to pick a new color every time you go color? |
| 23:05.33 | carols | _wolf_: yes. and i already know what this year's will be :-) |
| 23:05.47 | ahel | =O |
| 23:05.49 | _wolf_ | yay. I'm guessing purple |
| 23:06.01 | carols | _wolf_: nailed it. |
| 23:06.20 | _wolf_ | carols, I did?! Wow! what do I get? :D |
| 23:06.40 | carols | _wolf_: go to the microkitchen and pick any one snack you want :-) |
| 23:07.19 | glacier88 | hi all, if we get accepted into the program, does our schoools have to be notified/ |
| 23:07.22 | _wolf_ | carols, LOL XD thanks. :D Next thing I take I will think of you |
| 23:07.37 | carols | _wolf_: and next time i'll pay for lunch! |
| 23:08.43 | _wolf_ | wow, that's so nice of you carols :) Come here to ZRH and I'll treat you for dinner |
| 23:08.55 | carols | _wolf_: awesome! ill be in europe next week |
| 23:08.59 | carols | although not in zurich |
| 23:09.03 | _wolf_ | aww :( |
| 23:09.13 | infinity0 | carols: london? |
| 23:09.26 | _wolf_ | if you are in Helsinki on Monday, gimme a ping |
| 23:09.26 | carols | infinity0: yep, dublin, london and barcelona |
| 23:09.45 | _wolf_ | going north to south I see :) |
| 23:09.49 | carols | _wolf_: nowhere near helsinki, unfortunately. would love to be skiing the swiss alps :-) |
| 23:10.09 | carols | anywhere in finland would be awesome |
| 23:10.25 | _wolf_ | I hear they're pretty snowed in there |
| 23:10.33 | carols | _wolf_: perfect :-) |
| 23:10.44 | infinity0 | carols: are you doing any open-source-related talks while you're around? |
| 23:10.50 | _wolf_ | yesterday only one runway was in use at the hel airport |
| 23:10.58 | ahel | _wolf_:yep |
| 23:11.18 | carols | infinity0: im spending a week with the melange developers, but not doing any talks specifically. |
| 23:11.29 | _wolf_ | ahel, yep what? |
| 23:11.38 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
| 23:12.03 | ahel | uhm-sorry...bed time |
| 23:12.07 | ahel | XD |
| 23:12.22 | _wolf_ | no probs ahel I just thought I missed something :) |
| 23:16.49 | glacier88 | are there quotas for different countries? I'm referring to the columns with Allocated in the google spreadsheet |
| 23:17.15 | carols | glacier88: you're going to have to be more specific than just referencing "the google spreadsheet" |
| 23:17.51 | glacier88 | sorry I mean this link http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgL4N-OdGxhQcDZEdW9BMmxKVG9LbVV6b1NxNnJhWlE&gid=2 |
| 23:18.33 | _wolf_ | glacier88, do you mean that if only X people get accepted from country C? |
| 23:18.42 | glacier88 | right, that's what I meant |
| 23:18.42 | ojwb | there's no quota |
| 23:18.56 | ojwb | that's just how many accepted students were from each country |
| 23:19.07 | glacier88 | ok, thanks |
| 23:19.15 | ojwb | well, you can't participate at all if you're from certain countries |
| 23:19.20 | ojwb | but that's US law |
| 23:19.21 | infinity0 | what's "greg's list" |
| 23:19.22 | glacier88 | I understand |
| 23:19.33 | glacier88 | yes, what is that? |
| 23:19.52 | ojwb | presumably an unofficial list compiled by someone called greg |
| 23:19.56 | carols | glacier88: the person who was keeping the tallies of the students that year. just consider it "list for that year" |
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| 23:20.42 | glacier88 | thanks carols |
| 23:20.47 | carols | yw |
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| 23:33.27 | RoMeLuKo | Testing irc channel |
| 23:35.04 | _wolf_ | RoMeLuKo, test passed |
| 23:35.55 | RoMeLuKo | nice :) |
| 23:36.56 | _wolf_ | that was a manual test. Your task is to automate it XD |
| 23:37.56 | RoMeLuKo | sure, i think :-] we're computer scientists, it's our worl |
| 23:38.01 | RoMeLuKo | work* |
| 23:38.35 | _wolf_ | aye :) |
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| 23:39.49 | carols | wants to be a computer scientist when she grows up |
| 23:40.14 | carols | sounds like a fun job |
| 23:40.35 | RoMeLuKo | too, however he's growing up slowly |
| 23:40.44 | carols | good idea :-) |
| 23:40.46 | _wolf_ | but carols you already have the coolest job evah: Nerf herder |
| 23:41.09 | carols | _wolf_: i do have the best job at google, that's for sure |
| 23:41.19 | carols | but being an engineer would be cool |
| 23:41.24 | _wolf_ | agrees with carols |
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| 23:44.50 | ojwb | growing up is overrated in my (limited) experience |
| 23:45.18 | carols | ojwb: i agree. |
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